DISQUS

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

You won't see me post such a statement often, but...

UF is getting douched...

Bama wil be dismantled in the same fashion as LSU and UGA in the SECCG...

Gators are playing better than anybody right now...

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 1 year ago

That is a little out of character for you, GH...

So unlike your friend, Unk(n)own Hinson, who never goes out of character...

I'm okay with Alabama being ahead of UF right now. A win in Atlanta over them should vault the Gators into the #2 slot...

I would really like to see Tejas Tech match up with a quality defense--the kind you find in the 4th best conference in the land...

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

I don't know what the hell was wrong with my keyboard...

For some reason I just couldn't get the "N" in there...

LOL

OU_Fan · 1 year ago

Douched?? More like biased love to me. I don't care what anyone's argument is for the Gators, you can't erase the FACT that they lost to a team this is still unranked at home where as Oklahoma's only loss was to yesterdays number one team. But none of this matters. OU still has Tech and Okie State, 2 currently top 10 ranked teams.

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

Except that it's obvious there is no defense in the B-12...

OU_Fan · 1 year ago

True, but the amount of offensive talent and NFL caliber quarterbacks more than makes up for the lack of defense in my opinion....

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

Except that NFL caliber QB's don't stop teams from scoring on you...

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

Anywhere...

On any campus...

At any time...

Except maybe on the basketball court...

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

Don't worry. There's a lot of season left to go. A lot of season left.

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

Yes sir...

There surely is...

But my argument is that there is NO other teams playing at the level that UF is in ALL 3 phases of the game at this point...

Something I would not have said about them a month ago...

Bama_Babe · 1 year ago

Not gonna lie, Florida is scary good right now.

But I would absolutely love to beat ol' Meyer in the SECCG...

;)

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

Careful what you wish for, Babe

UF is 3-2 versus Saban coached teams...

Including a loss to a freshman led Gator team in LSU's shared title in 2004...

ROLLTIDE_73 · 1 year ago

Not that it matters but I belive Alabama has won 3 of the last 4 times we've played against the gators.And I cant say we were picked to win any of those games.

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

Of course given the perception that both Saban and Meyer have outside their respective cities...

I imagine most would nickname that CG the "Prick" Bowl...

;-]

TampaGator · 1 year ago

Babe:

That goes both ways--(both points of your post). There's a lot of mutual respect between both programs, a healthy degree of mutual animosity, and a healthy amount of history in the SEC CG between the 2.

UF and UA have met 5 times, with UF holding lead of 3-2. UF has actually been to the chapionship game total 8x, with record of 6-2 (6-1 in ATL--that's why I call it our "swamp away from the Swamp"), while 'bama has appeared 5 times, with record of 2-3. One of its wins though, was in Birmingham-v. UF (the first one))--so their record in ATL is 1-3. But they did win the most recent meeting, in '99--our only loss in Atlanta....

...looking forward to avenging that one!


GO GATORS!!

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

I agree. And that's why I think there being a lot of season left works in the Gators' favor. I think Oklahoma, Texas Tech and Alabama will lose an upcoming game before the season is over. What doesn't work in Florida's favor is, they lost to Ole Miss at home. It doesn't matter how they're playing now, that's not the way things work. That loss is an albatross around the Gators' necks...until the rest of the season plays out.

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

And with that we're back to the age old discussion of:

"Are we ranking based on NOW or where we think they will end up?"

If you are ranking on NOW...

There is no team playing better than UF...

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

I rank on now plus their record, which holds teams accountable for their entire season. That's the way I've always applied it. If it were up to me, polls would be nothing more than a setup for a playoff anyhow.

Let me put it this way. The polls are worthless to me unless you're #1 or #2 in the BCS, as far as I'm concerned.

I'm not knocking your team in any way, but if you're going to focus on the polls and not the play on the field, then that's the way it is.

Which is why I hate these discussions, because they're all subjective.

Gatorboy41 · 1 year ago

Can't go that far Tom_Bog,,,last year LSU won the NC, if we use your philosophy then they would not have played for the NC with 2 losses, and Auburn went undefeated a few years ago, and did not play for the NC. So it's not really what you did the entire season. It's what have you did lately. The way the BCS works, you can be number 1 this week, without losing, and be number 3 the next week.

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

That's your prerogative, and I agree that you have a very logical argument. Which is again, why I hate these discussions, because nobody is on the same page.

Let's put it this way. I'd rank it the same way if OSU were in the position Florida is in right now.

TampaGator · 1 year ago

Glad to see you're confidence in the Gators is back on track; but I don't think we're getting douched at all. Everyone ahead of us is undefeated. We're atop the 1 loss pile in AP, and only Texas is ahead of us in BCS--and their lead won't hold up, if we win out. Our situation is much better than I expected at this stage in the season.

In any event, the NC picture will sort itself out one way or the other; and all the Gators can do is win out, then hope for the best.

At this point, I'd just like the Gators to win another SEC championship.


GO GATORS!!

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

TampaGator:

I think Florida wins out the regular season, the SEC championship, and gets back into the NC Game against...Penn State.

GO BUCKS!

Gatorboy41 · 1 year ago

Gator Hip, as bad as I hate to say it. I must give Bama their props, we loss to an unranked Ole Miss. Great teams don't choke that way, however with that being said, yes we are on a roll, but until Bama get beat, let em ride their wave. They still Have LSU, and possibly the Gators. But at the moment they are where they should be.

ROLLTIDE_73 · 1 year ago

OK.....those are some strong words.

Alan · 1 year ago

Does anyone else think that the SEC is down a bit this year....come on Alabama isn't the best team in the country...they are just beating subpar competition....Florida is the real deal....Big 12 is loaded this year....just for the record. My team is not in the SEC or the Big 12.

ROLLTIDE_73 · 1 year ago

Didn't they loose to one of those sub par teams Bama beat

bevo · 1 year ago

The coaches ranked OU higher than Texas? Good thing these two teams did not play already. What? They did? Texas opened a can of whoop ass on Oklahoma? Hmm...

Where are those jackasses who keep saying the entire the season is a playoff?

Hotty_Toddy · 1 year ago

I'm glad we beat the Gators when we did. I wouldn't wanna play them again right now.

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

1 point...

If Meyer kicks the field goal on the first drive we're freakin' undefeated right now...

But I'm not takin' anything away from the Rebs...

Beat us fair and square...

And that's what might come back to bite us in the rear come BCS CG time...

Hotty_Toddy · 1 year ago

Don't feel bad, Florida's always had a blind spot for the Rebs.

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

So true...

Rebs lead the series and own a winning record at the Swamp...

Please feel free to pimp us at any time...

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

And just think, Toddy...

If UF wins the whole thing (not a high probability)...

You guys get to print the t-shirts that read:

Ole Miss 31
National Champs 30

Hotty_Toddy · 1 year ago

Actually, hippy, I wouldn't wanna get one of those shirts. Too many of our fans feel success-deprived in the past few years (which we have) and tend to dwell too long on a game when we actually win. We beat Florida in what seems to be a long time ago, now its time to move on. We've still got people around here talking about it, with the Arkansas and Auburn win's coming in close second's.

Thank goodness the team keeps moving on, and doesn't dwell on them.

Gatorboy41 · 1 year ago

Gator Hip, I do believe the Gators can run the table right now, and (IF) that be the case. I think that they will play for the NC. That will mean that Bama will lose to Gators in the SEC Playoff. I believe Oklahoma will take care Texas Tech. I think Penn State is home free in going undefeated. They should be the lone undefeated team, by season ends.

Clemson_Joe · 1 year ago

Maybe someone can answer this for me. Who represents the Big XII South in the Big XII Championship if Texas, Texas Tech, and Oklahoma all have 1 loss, and Texas beat Oklahoma, who beat Texas Tech, who beat Texas?

OU_Fan · 1 year ago

Clemson Joe, in that scenario it would come down to who was currently the highest ranked team in the BCS. In that scenario, it would be Oklahoma because they would have given Tech their only loss. But if Texas Tech loses to both Okie State and OU, but Okie State loses to OU as well, it would be a two way tie between OU and Texas and UT would have the upperhand due to their win over OU. Make sense?

Clemson_Joe · 1 year ago

So basically, even though Texas beat Oklahoma, since that happened before Oklahoma hypothetically beat Texas Tech, Oklahoma wins out with a higher ranking and goes? So it really just comes to down to who lost first is the winner, right?

In the message I received it mentioned Muschamp going to Clemson. I don't know, they're being vewwy vewwy qwiet (sorry, Elmer Fudd popped into my head while I was typing that) about it. They've hired an agency to aid with the search, and appropriately, no one is saying anything. Why? What do you think of him? Do you think he'd be a good hire?

OU_Fan · 1 year ago

Most definately (he would be a good hire. ) He's the most intense defensive coordinator in college football in my opinion. I would love to see him leave Texas.

Kevin @ Fanblogs · 1 year ago

I'm sorry but that's just not accurate. The Big XII does *not* choose break a divisional tie based solely on BCS rankings, rather that is just one aspect of the tie-breaker (and it's the fifth tie-breaker, at that).


The Big XII goes down the following list. If step one doesn't settle the measure, then they use #2. If everyone is tied after #2, they use #3... and so on.

1. The records of the three teams will be compared against each other.
2. The records of the three teams will be compared within their division.
3. The records of the three teams will be compared against the next highest placed teams in their division in order of finish (fourth, fifth and sixth).
4. The records of the three teams will be compared against all common conference opponents.
5. The highest ranked team in the first Bowl Championship Series Poll following the completion of Big 12 regular season conference play shall be the representative.
6. The team with the best overall winning percentage [excluding exempted games] shall be the representative.
7. The representative will be chosen by draw.

Clemson_Joe · 1 year ago

So, in the scenario that I was saying, that TT, UT, and OU only had 1 loss, and those were in a triangle fashion, who would be the winner?

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

Tie Breakers 1-4 don't matter, so it would fall to #5.

Texas Tech would fall, so it would come down to Oklahoma and Texas. The polls are more forgiving to earlier losses so Oklahoma could jump Texas with a win over Oklahoma State and Texas Tech. OOC could be a factor, as Oklahoma also beat TCU, who could be in the top 15, even with a loss to Utah.

Then the SEC and Big 10 play another NCG.

Clemson_Joe · 1 year ago

Ah, right, I wasn't thinking about the TCU win. Taking that into account, they would deserve it.

Kevin @ Fanblogs · 1 year ago

Why do 1-4 not matter? (And -- for the record -- the Big XII has *never* gotten down to #5 on tie-breaker.)

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

The scenario under discussion is a three way tie with Texas, Texas Tech and Oklahoma or Oklahoma State, three teams with 7-1 conference records.

1) All are 1-1 against each other
2) All three would be 4-1 in the division
3) All records vs each opponent would be idendical
4) See #3

This only happens if Texas, Texas Tech, and the winner of Oklahoma-Oklahoma State game win the remainder of their games and the Oklahoma-Oklahoma State winner beats Texas Tech.

If games between these four teams are treated like coin flips and other gaems are given an 85% chance one gets this situation has a probability of about 22%, not bad compared to some of the BCS scenarios out there.

OU_Fan · 1 year ago

Exactly. So if Texas Tech beats Oklahoma State but then loses to OU, and then say if OU beats Okie State, but Texas wins out as well, their will be a three way tie, which would lead to step 5.

grover · 1 year ago

The real game to watch for the big 12 south crown is this weeks Tx Tech / Ok State matchup. If you assume Texas and Oklahoma win out the remainder of their games then an Ok State win on Saturday means TX represents the south, regardless of BCS standings. If Tx Tech wins (and again TX and OU win out) then the 3 way tie would be settled by highest BCS ranking on the Nov 30 poll.

Clemson_Joe · 1 year ago

Thanks for filling me in. That certainly spices things up for that matchup being the Pokes and Raiders.

Kevin @ Fanblogs · 1 year ago

Again... the divisional tie-breaker is *not* the BCS rankings.

The Big XII goes down the following list. If step one doesn't settle the measure, then they use #2. If everyone is tied after #2, they use #3... and so on.

1. The records of the three teams will be compared against each other.
2. The records of the three teams will be compared within their division.
3. The records of the three teams will be compared against the next highest placed teams in their division in order of finish (fourth, fifth and sixth).
4. The records of the three teams will be compared against all common conference opponents.
5. The highest ranked team in the first Bowl Championship Series Poll following the completion of Big 12 regular season conference play shall be the representative.
6. The team with the best overall winning percentage [excluding exempted games] shall be the representative.
7. The representative will be chosen by draw.

OU_Fan · 1 year ago

I agree. My problem is that I didn't post all of the details which I should of, but at the same time I was going straight to step 5 in regards to the the 3 way tie breaker.

Kevin @ Fanblogs · 1 year ago

Fellas.... once the three-way tie is broken... you then revert to the two-way tie-breaker, according to an email I recieved tonight from the very Fanblogs friendly folks at Big12.com. Holla!

Clemson_Joe · 1 year ago

I see at least 7 of these teams currently in the top 25 taking losses next weekend. That'll straighten things out a bit more.

Don · 1 year ago

Clemson Joe, if it's a 3 way tie, then the highest BCS ranked team gets to beat the North Division Champion in the Conf Championship Game, lol.

Don · 1 year ago

Florida douched themselves by laying an egg against an inferior Mississippi team. A team where the 3rd team Texas QB transferred to in order to get more playing time. And your plea of the SEC being so tough is falling on deaf ears--Mississippi ain't nothing special.

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

Miss loss doesn't change the fact that as of this week, UF is playing better ball than ANYBODY...

If anyhting we learned last year that a TWO LOSS SEC champ has more credence than any other one loss conference champ...

Seems those ears weren't so deaf, Don...

fightonB · 1 year ago

i believe you're incorrect in your "what we [apparently] learned last year."

two loss SEC champ did go to the n.c. game, but if you remember correctly a 1 loss USC would have gone had they not stumbled a second time over their own feet.

GoBirds! · 1 year ago

You want hosed, watch what they "try" to do to not have to say "no" to JoePa.....doesn't matter as PSU will be the only undefeated team.

tigerbreaux · 1 year ago

IF Nick's Crimson Tide gets past LSU in Deaf Valley, they still BETTER watch out for those
GATORS. Make the crocidiles look tame; Poke... Salad..

George · 1 year ago

USC at #7???? You guys suck.

ERIC · 1 year ago

TEXAS CLEARLY HAS NO DEFENSE
FLORIDA LOST TO OLD MISS AN UNRANKED HORRIBLE TEAM
TEXAS TECH LOOKED GOOD BUT WON AGAINST AN OFFENSE ONLY TEAM
PENN STATE HAS NOT PLAYED ANYBODY WITH A DECENT DEFENSE
USC WOULD WIPE THEM OUT
OHIO STATE WAS BLOWN OUT BY USC AND ARE DONE
ONCE AGAIN ONE LOSS TEAMS LIKE USC AND FLORIDA WILL BLOW OUT OPPONENTS IN INSIGNIFICANT GAMES
USC HAS THE NUMBER ONE DEFENSE IN THE COUNTRY PERIOD AND HAPPEN TO BE IN A VERY WEAK CONFERENCE
NO SEC TEAM WOULD WANT TO FACE A USC DEFENSE RIGHT NOW
IT REALLY IS A SHAME THAT WE DONT HAVE PLAYOFFS

tmill · 1 year ago

USC hasn't played anyone yet...I mean unless you count Oregon State who lost to PSU 45-14.
I honestly don't think USC is all that tough. Year after year, here they are, still in the top 10. I'm a PSU fan but must say the SEC is a MONSTER, all the teams are good...even the bad ones. Big XII all O and no D. What football fan likes to see 62-58 games anyway. Big 10(Ohio State killed it for years to come). Pac 10...absolutely horrible. USC watch out for CAL

Lennie Collins · 1 year ago

Word out of Norman is that Oklahoma Sooners might be adding the Brigham Young Cougars to their 2009 schedule. The game will be played at the Dallas Cowboys new stadium. Oklahoma will be the "home" team. That 2009 schedule is looking pretty good!