Fanblogs.com: 2008 - Week 3 College Football Polls
Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
Just out of curiosity, how many teams in recent years have finished in the top 25 and still had their coach fired? Help me out on this one.
1Tomcat
· 1 year ago
Arkansas? BTW I'm familiar with Newcastle-Whats that other stuff? Have you tried Shiner 99 ? I like Youngs Ramrod- British bitter and Courage Directer
Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
I love the Shiner beers that I have tried, although there is at least one that we have here that I haven't tried yet. I'll have to get back to you on what it is exactly.
Corsendonk is the other. It's a high gravity (approx. 14% alcohol if memory serves correctly) nut brown ale. It's a product of a Belgian monastery and it's fantastic. Actually I introduced a few more people to it this weekend at the Georgia vs. South Carolina game, and they all loved it. It's relatively hard to find but I buy it at a local beverage warehouse. If you have a way to get it, and you're a fan of ales, you should give it a shot. Be careful though, its bark is not even close to its bite.
I haven't tried the last ones that you mentioned. I'm writing them down to look for them when I go shopping again. Thanks for the recommendations. I'll gladly take them.
With winter approaching 2 of my favorite drinks will be back in season. Harpoon's Winter Warmer and Gluehwein. HWW tastes like Christmas. I know that sounds ridiculous but try it during the appropriate season and you'll see what I'm talking about. Gluehwein is a German traditional winter drink that you can easily make yourself. Search for a recipe online. It's wonderful. It actually makes you feel like you are glowing. Try it out.
TigerEducated
· 1 year ago
Newcastle.
Abita (Amber, Wheat, Strawberry, Restoration Ale...just about any of them but Turbo Dog & Purple Haze, which are the equivalent of chloroform for me :)...
Kronenberg 1664 (I think that's the name...Found it the other night at a local watering hole, & I love it)...
I also admit that I like Modelo...Especial, though, not Negro...
Oh, and Stella Artois has a special spot in my heart...The first time I tried it, I was in downtown Baton Rouge at a local spot called "Red Star Martini Bar" during the middle of the week....
Something about "Lingerie Karaoke Night" I just couldn't pass up...
1Tomcat
· 1 year ago
TE I've always enjoyed Shiner premium, then they sold the brewery and tripled production, this resulted in increased cost for the consumer. Now Modelo Especial is about 10.99 a 12 pack and taste like real beer. I find myself purchasing Modelo on more of a regular basis at the grocery store. I live in a real small town with only one store and limited selection in the beverage department, Modelo is really purty good and its cheaper than Shiner. I'll try some of the others than yall mentioned next time I go to a big town. There is a place in San Marcos called the Tap room over 30 different kind of brews on tap. Adios Tomcat Lingerie Karaoke? I can only imagine sounds like Halloween at Dad's Dream and Ma's nightmare BTW the county banned topless dancing in Kingsbury Texas
Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
Personally I'll take that Czech Shiner beer over any Mexican beer any day. Then again, the Mexicans don't make beer my style anyway.
1Tomcat
· 1 year ago
Ya and I prefer bottles over cans, but its better than Colorado koolade, and most Americans are for the most part dont really drink real beer, but are quite content with the big three. I spent about 10 months in Sussex England. They have real beer over there, its pumped up by hand, and its served in 20 ounce pints. You know you have real beer, when you can see the hops and find an occasional dead bee. That stuff is pretty strong too and it goes down real good.
Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
Colorado koolade...LOL I've always called it Rocky Mountain spring water...
Anyway, I'm jealous. I need to get over to the motherland sometime soon. Fortunately I'm not terribly deprived where I am though. I'm really not missing out on too much here. I feel for those in other parts of the country who are though.
Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
Turbo Dog and Purple Haze are terrible. I have to agree with you there. I have enjoyed Amber, Strawberry, and Restoration Ale a time or 2 myself though. Good beers.
Haven't had Kronenberg yet. I've now written that one down and will be looking for it as well.
Stella is a huge fan favorite around here, but I always take "the one and only" over it every time.
Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
Florida State is back in both polls. It really has been too long since that happened. It's good to see it again though.
Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
AP: Big XII - 5 SEC - 5 Big Televen - 4 ACC - 3 Pac 10 - 2 Big East - 2 MWC - 2 Conference USA - 2 WAC - 1
Coaches: Only difference is that Arizona State (how did they get voted in?) replaces Fresno State to bring the Pac 10 to 3 teams and the WAC to 0.
1Tomcat
· 1 year ago
Fresno is a WAC team Joe I think
Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
Yeah, I counted them as such.
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
I believe C-USA only has one, and your total is 26, not 25.
Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
You're right. C-USA's 2 is the error. It should be 1.
That's what I get for doing it so late at night I guess.
ROLLTIDE_73
· 1 year ago
Aubbies going to mad Bama jumped them in the AP poll LOL...not that it matters three games in but i think its funny.Tulanes showing against ECU helped with the jump,made our 20-6 win look a little better
James
· 1 year ago
Keep in mind the media may be impressed by the highest paid coach in America and Forbes magazine articles... but the coaches aren't. There you're still 4 spots back of the perpetual Iron Bowl champs. Here's to making it 7 in a row!
gatorhippy
· 1 year ago
Florida at number 4 is still ridiculous...
Watch out for PSU...
blackdawg
· 1 year ago
We're definitely not a top five team at this point. I hope we figure it out quicker than we did last year. South Carolina's defensive front beat our line all day. They shut off Moreno's lanes in a hurry. We dropped passes, Stafford missed reads. Most of the problems seemed to stem from South Carolina's defense, just plain out playing our offense. Some how we won and I'm happy about that, but we better quickly improve if we hope to win the SEC.
PrinceMarko
· 1 year ago
Gators are #2 in my book until proven otherwise. If Florida's defense steps up, its a USC vs Florida showdown
gatorhippy
· 1 year ago
Did anybody wake up the ATL Eagle?
I'm thinkin' he might still be sleeping from that snoozer of a game...
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
Yea, I fell asleep in the 8th inning...
GeauxTigers0107
· 1 year ago
Look at the side that has the most light: If Atlanta can win out, they may reach .500 and come within 5 games of a wild card. I'm a big Braves fan myself. Been to Turner Field for a few series and loved it. Still, my favorite Braves team was back in the days of Scooter Bream, the Crime Dog, Ron Gant and David Justice. In a close second was the team of Dale Murphy, Horner on the Corner, Chambliss, Claudel Washington and so on.
These days, I only recognize half the line up and that's bad...lol.
Geaux Tigers Geaux SEC
TigerEducated
· 1 year ago
Kevin,
Congrats on the Top 25...
How's Jimbo working out for ya so far? :)
ROLLTIDE_73
· 1 year ago
Time will tell ...in the next two weeks will tell if Bama is a top tem team for real but i have to say its good to be here....here something to ponder if a 2 loss SEC team is good enough to play for the NC is a 3 or 4loss SEC team good enough to be in the top 10.....
TigerEducated
· 1 year ago
You "hanna no" Top Ten team, though its nice to show to the recruits, as I'm sure Lance Thompson was told to buy 2,876 copies and mail them to every high school in America...
I would suggest you enjoy it, as the meat of your schedule is hurtling towards you, and the Crucible is upon your team...
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
Certainly, In fact, all twelve SEC teams should be included in the Top 10 every week. Everybody knows this already.
ROLLTIDE_73
· 1 year ago
as it is for your team as well .....Love going down to death valley always a good time
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
This is really getting stupider (is that a word?) by the second. Georgia still at # 3? Alabama at # 9 and Auburn at #10? What the hell is going on in this country? I sure as hell am not seeing any of this. Wisconsin at # 8 after their big blowout of Fresno State? Five SEC teams in the Top 10? Really? I clearly see Florida, LSU and Georgia - and that is all. I could see Oklahoma, Missouri, Texas, Texas Tech and maybe even Kansas or Nebraska from the Big 12. Of course USC, maybe South Florida and BYU and even Penn State? Alabama and Auburn are playing Top 10 football? I am totally amazed. Oh, I forgot! My bad! They play in the SEC! Stupid me!
Bama_DevilDog
· 1 year ago
Im going to have to say you very unreasonable. I will give you BYU after a great peformance. Texas Tech and Texas are debatable in the teams they have played. But Nebraska and Kansas are out of the question for obvious reasons. Penn State still hasnt played anyone but I guess they have made a statement, South Flordia not yet ready for the top 10. Bama on the other hand. Beat the ACC favorite #23 Clemson. Beat Tulane 20-6, which some would say is not that great, but Tulane was a tuff team with a good D that put it on ECU this weekend. And then bama rolled on WKU. I beleive they deserve a little respect not a OH MY GOD! I'm amazed, its just the SEC, response.
Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
I agree with you. What's your pick for the top 10?
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
The great news for me is how much money we can all make betting against these imposter programs. The point spreads are gonna be hilarious for some of these teams. Bet the farm that LSU plows Auburn no matter what the spread is. You can all bet daddy's farm on that one.
GeauxTigers0107
· 1 year ago
I'll take that bet. How much you want to put on it is the only question. I say the game is within 3 pts, either way. It's always a close game with Auburn, regardless of location. The last time I remember it being anything resembling a blow out was early 2000's. And for the record, LSU is notorious for not covering in many of their games. They didn't vs. N Texas last week. Les likes to start subbing in the back ups to increase their game experience.
Geaux Tigers Geaux SEC
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
GT:
LSU is the National Champions. Last years experience makes this team even more dangerous now. What did you lose? A running back? With Scott, Williams and Murphy now steppin' up - the running game is even stronger than it has been. Lost Flynn? So what. LSU has won with many a servicable QB and Flynn was one of them. Hatch will be fine. Early Doucet? You guys are loaded at WR - it makes no difference. Glenn Dorsey? Favorite steps into the DL. So what? In fact, the players taking these fine players places are even going to be better than the ones you just lost. That is the way that great recruiting works. LSU has been doing a fantastic job of recruiting in the last few years. Those players are all ready to step up. It's business as usual at LSU. Not the same case at Auburn. The Auburn defense is they're usual very fine self - but the offense is not. And the LSU defense, just like Southern Cal's, is becoming an absolute monster. When there is a defense on the field like this, then there is a very high probability that that team wins the game, especially if the other teams offense has any weaknesses to exploit. I believe that the LSU coaches will find those weaknesses in the Auburn offense -and that Auburn will not be able to adjust to what LSU is going to be doing. The QB's are just too inexperienced for this kind of defense. It actually could get ugly. You just saw it happen to one pretty good team and may just happen to another this coming weekend.
AUtigerman
· 1 year ago
TT
According to what ive read LSU only has 11 starters total back this year 5 offense 5 defense 1 kicker. Not sure where you got your numbers?
Obviously you dont know much about this game. Its always close. And believe it or not as enimic as the offensive numbers are we are still ranked higher and averaging more yards then last year.
I heard all this before the Florida game last year how we would get smashed. Same in 2006 and we scored 27 points with no offensive touchdowns. Ive been around AU football long enough to realize one thing. Its Defense that wins here. Dosent win any style points for AP polls but polls suck anyway.
If you dont like low scoring smash mouth football i suggest you dont watch saturdays game.
One other point of interest. LSU has failed to cover the spread against 2 teams that they clearly overmatch. I think there offense is a bit subject too.
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
AUtigerman:
The spread for LSU was 42 points? Am I mistaken? I took North Texas in that one. That's a hell of alot of points to cover. They must have brought in the reserves - they only won by 38 or something. Your kidding me, right?
And, where did I mention any "numbers" where it came to offensive and defensive starters? Seems like I said that whomever they lost - they would replace them with even better players.
And, where did I say that "I didn't like low scoring smash mouth football"? I just love how all you guys put words into my mouth that I never even blabbered about. Don't they have any remedial reading classes that you guys can get to in the evenings?
AUtigerman
· 1 year ago
Well you didnt mention numbers you mentioned 3 or 4 names which to me implied only 3 or 4 lost starters. i meant no harm by that.
AU defense is every bit as good and prehaps better then LSU. Ranked number 6 last year and returned 8 starters. Very Very deep on the line. I just cant see LSU putting up big numbers against us.
We dont have all the big names that LSU has but they will be well known soon.
They may win but seldom is it a blow out and i suspect saturday will be the same.
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
AUtigerman:
I guess what we're talkin' about here is a 20-7 blowout? 20-7 is a blowout in the SEC? I thought that Florida's 59-20 pasting of Tennessee last year might have been a blowout in the SEC. But, I guess everything changed last weekend - maybe 4-2 could now be considered a blowout. BTW, my bro from Bama (the Pig Farmer) kept flippin' over to that Auburn game while we were watchin' USC. I couldn't even stay awake for the two minute commercial break that was happening during the USC-Ohio State game. That was the most boring game I have ever witnessed. I don't think we ever saw anything at all happen except for the safety. I would have more enjoyed pulling the wings off of flies.
AUtigerman
· 1 year ago
Guess thats where we differ. Id like to see some offense but i loved the D in that game.
I just think that the LSU QBs are going to have a tough tough time. Neither one has ever played in an away game. And i just think they wont perform very well.
Guess we will see.
GeauxTigers0107
· 1 year ago
TT: You make several good points but until Hatch proves himself "serviceable" in SEC play, I'll hold judgement.
Here's hoping your right though.
Geaux Tigers Geaux SEC
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
GT:
Well, I know it has been in the past. But, Auburn is doing something very strange on offense. I think they are trying to run a spread without the personel to do it with. That was the most anemic offense I have seen in some time. Even if they played twice as good against LSU, what could you give them, six points? LSU should be about 28 points or so better than MSU. Even if I split the difference, for playin' up and down, I still have to think that LSU wins by 13-14 points - if Auburn continues to play that poorly on offense. Scott isn't gonna have to average 14 per carry, he could probably average 6, and still gain 120 on 20 carries. Williams might get another 10 for 50 yards. If Hatch heaves it for even 100 yards - your gonna be approaching 300 yards of total offense. Auburn will not get even 200 yards of total offense against LSU. I say this one will go against all tradition and become a 20-7 LSU win - only because Auburn is foolin' around with an offense that they do not know how to run against a defense that they should not be fooling around with anyway.
AUtigerman
· 1 year ago
Well obviously AU dosent belong in the top 10 after the steller offensive explosion. But to rank Alabama in the top ten is even worse. They have played a weak ACC team and 2 nobodys and continue to climb while teams like BYU are left too far down. This ranking mess needs to stop.
It should not play into college football at all.
TheUofA
· 1 year ago
Look everybody the aub is mad>i am lovin it. has anyone ever seen a 3-2 victory. MAN that aub offense is explosive.They might as well go ahead and give the sec championchip to auburn, they earned it. ALABAMA is going to throw the white flag from now on....we surrender to the mighty aubs.lol
AUtigerman
· 1 year ago
Lets see ,you played who? If i remember correctly you were 28 point favorites.
Im not upset that we went down we should have. What bothers me and shows me the complete bias of the AP poll is that UA is ranked 9.
Not exactly a powerful schedule youve played. Ill wait a few more weeks ,this thing will work itself out and UA wont be top ten anymore either.
Just keeping it real
Ill still take a 3-2 win over a loss anyday.
"BC"
· 1 year ago
look. lets talk reason here. not bias.
Auburn's offense sucks. you can spin that however you want, but you know it's true. Chris Todd is a complete joke of a QB. yall's running game, however, is pretty good. you have a one-dimensional offense, which is never good. your defense is a powerhouse. But, obviously, with that abysmal performance in Starkville, you cant expect to remain in the top 10.
Bama, however, has done nothing that doesn't warrant being in the top 10. they smashed the class of the ACC, and then beat one bad team by two scores, and another by a blowout margin.
Also, if i remember correctly, y'all didnt exactly kill southern miss either.
LSU vs. Auburn game: both offenses rely heavily on the run. both defenses are very stout.
this is the epitome of smash-mouth football. however, i think LSU's offense will manage to put up at least 17 points. i think Auburn's offense will be lucky to find the endzone at all.
LSU - 17 Auburn - 6
AUtigerman
· 1 year ago
You speak out of both sides of your mouth. You consider Clemson the class of the ACC based on last year however call MSU the worst team in the SEC. Last year they beat you and us.
What ever blows your skirt up. You Bama fans are all alike. No matter how hard you talk it up you are still a barely above average team at this point.
"BC"
· 1 year ago
haha. of all the points i made, you chose to focus on THAT one. talk about blowing your skirt up.
okay. youre right. we dont know yet who's the best/worst in any conference. great rebuttal. however, MSU certainly looks worse than everyone in the SEC so far except maybe Arkansas. but at least the hogs are winning. Clemson, best in the ACC? maybe, maybe not. but they're certainly not the WORST in the ACC.
my post had nothing to do with last year....
TigerEducated
· 1 year ago
You sure have been waving it the past half decade or so...
LOL!
6-7, 7-6, and 3-0 to start this year, and you're crowing?
I'd shake my head and laugh, but its par for the course from ANY Bama fan to act arrogant and classless...Nice job keeping up the ole "Family Tradition", as Hank Jr.'d sing...
AUtigerman
· 1 year ago
TE
I may not be able to predict the final score for this weekend but i will say this. If people dont like smash mouth old fashioned defensive football dont watch espn
Cobia
· 1 year ago
Yeah this game's going to be very low scoring.
TigerEducated
· 1 year ago
Cobia,
You guys are in for a beatdown...
...It ain't gonna be close...
Your defense hasn't faced ANYTHING like what we've got...and while your coach might be talking about Lester being okay, he hasn't run into the stone wall that we have for a defensive line...
Having said that, we've lost Beckwith at LB till the UF game at least with a knee tweak, and that will hurt us some, but we have gotten all of our backups-who are all talented kids-plenty of reps and they are ready to go.
Say what you want, but your defense threw a shutout against an offense that lost to Louisiana Tech...We are way more than a few rungs above the ladder than you-or MSU-are at this point...
Vegas has us at -3.5 after we started as a -2.5 dog...The money's moved us to almost a touchdown favorite counting the home field advantage bump of -3, and it's Monday night...By kickoff, we'll probably be somewhere around -7, which would be -10 without the home field...
No offense fellas, but we're gonna hand you your asses Saturday night...
AUtigerman
· 1 year ago
You better pack a lunch. If your offense thinks like you do they are in for a smack down. I dont care if our O dosent score a single point,weve done that plenty of times, this D is the absolute real deal.
Bama_DevilDog
· 1 year ago
thats a low blow, don't be joking on Hank! Now my faimly are all from Lake Charles and Slydel and they are some Hank lovin fools too. LSU got as many crazy redneck college football fans as Bama. You should take pride in that shit, I do. I love college football and talkin trash but calling Bama "arrogant and classless" aint the way to do it, I know Bama has some not so bright fans that lower the preception of our intellect. But, I accpet them and love it all. Bama fans are true fans and proud of the SEC. We take pride in all SEC teams and I think you should consider that yourself. But, I guess since you went there;
Are you still upset that Bama, man handled LSU last year and the only reason yall won was a freak fumble and interception late in the fourth? Maybe Kentucky and Alabama and Arkansaw are not up to your level or something. I think you know what Im talkin about.
cdogg
· 1 year ago
Georgia should be ranked right in front of Alabama.
cdogg
· 1 year ago
Penn st should be much higher.
Mr2Bits
· 1 year ago
Little surprised to see FSU and ASU rounding it out on there.
Top 5 looks about right however.
TheUofA
· 1 year ago
Yep, not a tough schedule huh...an who have you played?O, southern miss and missippi state are very good teams. Hey TE probation dog, it hurts...hope you smack Auburn in the mouth though.You wanna talk about having class...i just think it is funny, i mean the polls don't matter right now anyways, i just enjoy seeing Auburn cry...keep taking up for um and you might be evicted as an LSU fan.
TigerEducated
· 1 year ago
English, motherfacker...Do you speak it?
Famous words uttered by Jules Winfield in Pulp Fiction, and by TE after reading this incoherent post...
"BC"
· 1 year ago
The Coaches Poll.
Are they smoking dope before casting their votes? Oregon jumps up a few spots to #12 after squeaking by Purdue? and Ohio State is NOT #13, or #14 bad. USC is just that good. ASU hangs in there after losing to UNLV?? and Auburn, still #9 after scoring 3 points on the worst team in the SEC?
TheUofA
· 1 year ago
My bad i forgot you were tiger educated...lol LSU don't even have class most the time.
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
Oops, you asked for it.
Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
Not really. LSU's academics are not very good. There's really no arguing that. It is no reflection on an individual, but simply a fact about an academic institution.
GeauxTigers0107
· 1 year ago
BBRRRPPPPPTTTTTTT <whistle>, Personal Foul, Unnecessary Roughness!!
Why do you think we have Tulane!! That's where we send all the smart ones....lol!
Geaux Tigers Geaux SEC
Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
LOL
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
I'm just saying posts like that usually get jumped on by a certain opinionated individual .
Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
Very true.
I wasn't really arguing the validity of your post (even though it may look and seem that way), but more so indicating that I will gladly step into that one to take his back, and "fact it" to death if need be. Although there seems to be no need at this point.
"BC"
· 1 year ago
Also, South Florida.
They are really scaring me right now. they only play Kansas and WVU this year. They ARE BCS.
They have a great chance at ruining this year's NC game. USC - 63 USF - 3
Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
I really don't think they have a great chance. The only way that any Big East team has a chance of repairing its hurt reputation at this point is by beating USF. Everyone will be gunning for them, and I just don't think they'll make it through unscathed.
Either way, I still think a 1 loss Oklahoma (as long as the one loss isn't to Kansas) or a 1 loss SEC team will get in ahead of an undefeated South Florida this season. Obviously an undefeated Southern Cal will beat them out as well.
TheUofA
· 1 year ago
well i think arkansas might be the worst, but if state is the worst team then auburn is only 1 itty bitty step ahead of them.lol
TheUofA
· 1 year ago
How bout BYU, they tore the cali surfers apart huh, i haven't see a beatdown like that in a while. they if anybody will have a bcs chance.
Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
VT and WV > UCLA
If ECU goes undefeated, they're in the dance.
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
ECU and BYU are close now.
Utah has undefeated Air Force and TCU coming up. If Utah survives those they will catch up.
Who does ECU play to put them over an undefeated MWC team? Utah and BYU both have each other, which is better than anyone ECU has left on their schedule. Unless VT of WV turn it around and start dominating ECU will be trailing any undefeated MWC team, and there are still 4 of them.
Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
The fact is that both Virginia Tech and West Virginia will probably finish the season ranked in the top 25. UCLA will probably not finish in the top 25.
Take a look at this. This is what each team's resume will essentially look like if they go undefeated.
Utah - Michigan, Oregon State, TCU, and BYU Brigham Young - UCLA, Washington, TCU, and Utah East Carolina - Virginia Tech, West Virginia, NC State, Virginia, Tulsa
TCU might finish in the top 25. UCLA could as well. I don't think they will, but they could. Tulsa will more than likely be in the top 25 or very close to it, and could be undefeated when ECU gets them in the C-USA Championship. Central Florida and Southern Miss could end up being pretty respectable as well, but let's leave them out for now. NCSU and UVA are bad, but so are Oregon State and Washington. Michigan does not look good either. The difference could very well come down to the fact that East Carolina looks to play in a conference championship game, which will give them another respectable opponent. I really don't see a likely scenario that would have Utah/BYU going undefeated and beating out an undefeated ECU.
MWC expansion if that scenario comes to fruition?
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
Air Force is now undefeated and would need to be added to Utah's and BYU's schedules.
"Tulsa will more than likely be in the top 25 or very close to it, and could be undefeated when ECU gets them in the C-USA Championship"
One, Maybe two of the teams listed will go undefeated. That said, a one loss team from either of these conferences would be in the top 25. A one loss MWC team could easily end up in the top 15.
I would love to see a MWC expansion but I think is is more dependent on how Boise State and Fresno State end up than if the MWC gets snubbed for a BCS berth. Notice how they both are just out of the top 25?
Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
I think Air Force will end up with 4 losses minimum, which takes them off of a BCS buster resume. Tulsa, assuming that they can get past Arkansas, should be undefeated when the C-USA championship game comes around. That coupled with where VT and WVU will probably end up will push them over any other non BCS school. All of this is of course assuming that they go undefeated along the way. I only wonder if the voters would pick 2 non BCS schools. I doubt it, but I guess there are too many factors to discuss that now.
Fresno State would have been easily ranked in the top 25 if North Carolina hadn't beaten the blood out of the overrated Scarlet Knights of Rutgers. That seriously exposed Fresno's "big win".
Zac
· 1 year ago
Rutgers has no replacement for Ray Rice, and Teel can't do it all by himself. The game against NC proved that.
Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
On a side note:
I'd like to see the MWC pull Fresno State, and Boise State from the WAC, and UTEP from C-USA...
...the Big East pull East Carolina, Central Florida, Marshall, and Memphis from C-USA...
...Tulsa, Tulane, SMU, Rice, and Houston then leave C-USA and join the WAC...
...and Southern Miss and UAB could join the Sun Belt.
Of course this is a pipe dream and stands virtually no chance of happening. It would completely dismantle C-USA, but I think it would improve the NCAA's conferences as a whole.
Here's how it would look:
MWC Air Force Brigham Young Boise State Colorado State Fresno State New Mexico San Diego State TCU UNLV Utah UTEP Wyoming
WAC Hawai'i Houston Idaho Louisiana Tech Nevada New Mexico State Rice San Jose State SMU Tulane Tulsa Utah State
Big East Central Florida Cincinnati Connecticut East Carolina Louisville Marshall Memphis Pittsburgh Rutgers South Florida Syracuse West Virginia
Sun Belt Arkansas State Florida Atlantic Florida International Louisiana-Lafayette Louisiana-Monroe Middle Tennessee North Texas Southern Miss Troy UAB Western Kentucky
As a final note it'd make more sense if Louisiana Tech and North Texas would trade places. Of course, all of that makes far too much sense to actually happen, but you have to agree it makes for better conference pictures.
I think after the MWC raids the WAC, C-USA would be stronger and would absord the top WAC and Sun Belt teams. The Big East might take a team from the MAC to get a northern team to ease division alignments though Marshall could fill that roll.
I have the MWC taking Houston instead of UTEP for TV markets. Who really knows. Either way C-USA needs 4 teams, 5 if they lose Marshall, to remain strong. Louisiana Tech, Troy, Florida Atlantic and Arkansas State look like good choices for them.
The remaining WAC and Sun Belt teams would peice together a new conference with Hawaii and Florida Int. likely remaining independent. I am currently in flux on my thoughts on PAC 10 expansion. I can't elaborate more until my thoughts reach a steady state. That might be A LONG TIME.
Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
Yeah, we've certainly been through this before...but riddle me this. Let's say that ECU and BYU/Utah go undefeated. Let's say that ECU gets in and BYU/Utah does not. Then, let's also say that it gets determined that the reason that ECU gets in instead of BYU/Utah is simply the championship game that they were afforded by playing in a 12 team conference. Do you think, if that were the case, that the MWC would grab 3 more teams to become 12 in order to have a title game? If the MWC did do this, I think it could go a LONG way in protecting them from any Pac 10 expansion as the MWC would be a very solid group. What're the chances, given what you know, that this would happen?
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
Like a Floridian would have any magical insider info. What happened to all that talk last year about BCS non AQ conference members needing to schedule cupcakes to improve their odds of going undefeated like Hawaii did? I thought they were full of it then.
I don't really think it would help protect from a PAC 10 expansion as that is a lot of money for the defecting teams. I have been toying with the idea that Utah and BYU would have better chances at a BCS bowl in the MWC than the PAC 10. At least in the PAC 10 they would have a shot, though very long, at the title.
The better argument for expansion is that the conference is the premier BCS non AQ conference. If they lose Utah and BYU they would be greatly tarnished. TCU could bolt for C-USA to rejoin the former SWC members and the WAC would be able to take there pick of the rest. By expanding now they would remain the premier BCS non AQ conference with any PAC 10 expansion and be able to replace the defectors with ease.
I think if the championship game made a difference it would draw attention but the Utah BYU game in this scenario would be a de facto MWC championship game. Also #4-7 of the MWC are better than their C-USA counterparts. The MWC is significantly stronger in the middle and usually stronger at the top.
The MWC should expand sooner than latter, I said so before the season and i'm sticking to it.
Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
Floridian or Icelander, you pay more attention to the MWC than I do, and maybe more than anyone here. I am assuming that you have much more inside info on the topic than I do.
The championship game in C-USA allows ECU to play a possibly undefeated Tulsa where they wouldn't have without it, which would undoubtedly increase the difficulty of their schedule. Head to head, it also would seem to be the kicker to make their schedule harder than a BYU/Utah regardless of the MWC being stronger than C-USA.
Zac
· 1 year ago
I don't know what's going on, but WVU should NOT have risen in the polls. That makes absolutely no sense what-so-ever. They were out-distanced 399-354 by (arguably one of the better, but far from the best FCS squads) Villanova. The following week, they got surprised by ECU. SURPRISED!!! Oh, well, they beat them 48-7 last year. LAST YEAR & only 1 game. How quickly they forgot the previous 2 games were decided by a total of 22 pts.
WVU is a team which has managed almost 450 yards total offense over the last 3 years against similar competition, yet this year has managed an average of just over 300 yds/gm while allowing opponents 90 more yrds/gm. Everybody knows WVU has Pat White & Noel Devine; they'll defense those 2. Three years ago everybody found out about Steve Slaton, defensed him last year, and he still finished with almost 1200 yards, and he hardly played a down of the Fiesta Bowl.
WVU has one of the fastest, most dangerous tandems in all of college football, and they're protected by a veteran & deep offensive line. Yet, all of a sudden they can't move the ball, and people have ranked them damn near 20th, when there are teams out there undefeated with 3 wins. I suppose I shouldn't complain. It's not as if this hasn't happened to the likes of FSU, Miami, MI, NE, OSU, etc, etc, etc., a time or 2. Thing is, I didn't like it then; I don’t like it now. WVU needs to earn their stripes; not be given the benefit of the doubt due to the success from recent years. Just a thought.
Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
Same thing with Clemson really. I think that people just believe that both teams are better than they've shown and have ranked them accordingly. We will certainly find out how accurate they are in weeks to come.
Although, if you look at it, it's tough to find teams to rank above them. Maybe that's just me.
Bama_DevilDog
· 1 year ago
#1 USC... dominated #2 Oklahoma.... dominated #3 Flordia.... Tebow and Defense, Dangerous #4 Georgia.... Got the pieces with Moreno and Stafford, but haven't made the statement yet #5 Mizz.... dominated #6 BYU... dominated #7 Texas... Im a little uncertain with Texas but, Ill give them the benifit of the doubt. #8 LSU Yet to play anyone but we will find out this weekend. #9 Penn State ... dominated weak teams but nevertheless dominated #10 Alabama Beating Clemson#23, Tulane (who is better than thought), and WKU looks tough
There you have it. But I'm sure it will change after the big SEC matchups this week.
TigerEducated
· 1 year ago
Florida has a LOT of questions on defense...
Mizzou put up some points this past weekend, but they allowed 42 points to an Illinois team that eked out a 20-17 win over the University of Louisiana-Lafayette...Seriously?
That shows me right there you aren't thinking it through...
JB
· 1 year ago
As many questions FLA has on D, at least they dont have a QB who threw the ball through the uprights on a fourth and goal....(ala Jarrett Lee)...we have more questions, in fact the game with Auburn might as well be termed the Question Bowl,......i know it was cheezy, but cathcy all the same
Bama_DevilDog
· 1 year ago
But the justification for the rankings are simple. If your thinking...
Flordia... has looked and peformed a little better than Georgia who ecked by South Carolina.
Mizz. Offense is very impressive, and I just dont see. BYU, Texas, Penn State or Bama, really over taking them in the rankings. Even if the "juice" put it on them.
But like I said we will find out about your sweet LSU team this saturday.
Zac
· 1 year ago
Howzabout crazy UConn? Hard-Luck Temple (that final play against Buffalo) takes em to OT, then the Huskies Dominate VA. Go figure.
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
Not saying they should be ranked but Undefeated Air Force should at least be in the 20-30 point range. One BCS computer has their game against Utah as a top ten showdown.
1) USC 3) Oklahoma 4) Florida 5) Georgia 7) Missouri 8) LSU 10) Auburn, Texas 11) Wisconsin, BYU 12) Oregon 14) South Florida, Alabama 15) Utah, Penn State 16) TCU 17) Kansas 18) Wake Forest, Ohio State 19) Texas Tech 21) ECU 22) Kentucky
No other team has a median of 25 of better.
Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
Just an FYI about the picks for the upcoming weekend. I noticed that 7% have picked South Carolina State over Clemson. There is no line right now. By all indication this game will be a complete blowout. This game is the Clemson Tigers vs. the South Carolina State Bulldogs, not the South Carolina Gamecocks. I just wanted to clear that up for anyone who might be confused.
blackdawg
· 1 year ago
CJ, unfortunately this game is the only Clemson game I will be able to see in Clemson this year, our schedules conflict all season. A high school buddy and Clemson Grad always gives me a choice before the season. A pretty good arrangement, I usually get to see Fla. State, Maryland, Boston College, or a pretty decent team, this time though its South Carolina State. Since the kickoff is 12:30 I can still catch GA and ASU. We probably will not hit Tiger Town since it is an early game or we might after, that's our traditional stop. It's still college football and should be a good time in the upstate this Saturday, looking forward to it.
Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
Yeah, you'll have fun regardless. Sometimes those games are the best to go to because there is absolutely no tension about the possibility of a loss. Check out Keith Street if you're hungry. They have outstanding food and it's about 200 feet from TTT.
So, you're going to have been to SC State @ Clemson, Georgia @ South Carolina, Alabama vs. Clemson in Atlanta, and quite a few Georgia home games this year. Am I leaving any out? That's very impressive if you ask me.
blackdawg
· 1 year ago
I'm going to Jacksonville for the GA - FL game, may go to Auburn haven't decided yet. My wife wants to go to Kentucky, but it's so close to the Florida game, I doubt we'll make that trip. The GA/FL game should be huge this year, can't miss that game.
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
I can't wait for BCS guru's results tomorrow. The data is out and I can reproduce the results, but why when he does such a good job with it?
The computers appear to be doing a great job for the MWC and East Carolina. MUCH better than they did for Hawaii last year.
I guess it helps to actually play people who are good.
Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
Where do you see these results? Link me up, please.
Anderson and Hester and Wolfe don't release rankings this early. The medians listed above appear very close to what BCS GURU uses as the substitute for these.
For the Sagarin the BCS uses the rankings in red, favoring the top non BCS teams. they all have at least one non AQ conference member in the top 10. I HIGHLY recommend Colley and Massey.
Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
I am familiar with the polls that are used in the BCS, but what are you referring to as "BCS GURU"?
lawfamily
· 1 year ago
Colley sucks. I can see how you would like Colley, with the ridiculous overrating of UT and AF, but that isn't realistic. Prove it until the BYU vs. Utah matchup, and then it will make sense, but this early? After last year? With BYU performing like they did last Saturday? That just isn't realistic, my friend.
AUtigerman
· 1 year ago
One thing is for certain. Over the next couple of weeks there will be a lot of change in the polls. LSU,Auburn,Alabama and Georgia will all face each other and someone has to lose. regardless of who losses, then they will all face each other again...lol
No need to hate on the SEC for having 5 teams in the top 10 cause we will put each other out of it anyway.
ROLLTIDE_73
· 1 year ago
No words ever spoken were ever more true
Bama_DevilDog
· 1 year ago
Amen.
TheUofA
· 1 year ago
YEP, That's about right!
ROLLTIDE_73
· 1 year ago
James if the coaches are impressed with auburns performances then they shouldnt have a right to have a poll....you couldnt find the end zone against Miss state if you would have had a GPS.the thing that gets me is tubbs acts like hes happy with it .....I guess auburn is still hideing what they have until the lsu game right.any way none of these polls matter until the stupid BCS poll comes out.i still say there needs to be a play off.and No. 7 is going to be a long row to hoe.oh yea i dont think sabans the highest paid any more think that goes to les miles not sure but i think some people got some raises. so they can thank nick for raising the salary bar for them
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BTW I'm familiar with Newcastle-Whats that other stuff?
Have you tried Shiner 99 ?
I like Youngs Ramrod- British bitter and Courage Directer
Corsendonk is the other. It's a high gravity (approx. 14% alcohol if memory serves correctly) nut brown ale. It's a product of a Belgian monastery and it's fantastic. Actually I introduced a few more people to it this weekend at the Georgia vs. South Carolina game, and they all loved it. It's relatively hard to find but I buy it at a local beverage warehouse. If you have a way to get it, and you're a fan of ales, you should give it a shot. Be careful though, its bark is not even close to its bite.
I haven't tried the last ones that you mentioned. I'm writing them down to look for them when I go shopping again. Thanks for the recommendations. I'll gladly take them.
With winter approaching 2 of my favorite drinks will be back in season. Harpoon's Winter Warmer and Gluehwein. HWW tastes like Christmas. I know that sounds ridiculous but try it during the appropriate season and you'll see what I'm talking about. Gluehwein is a German traditional winter drink that you can easily make yourself. Search for a recipe online. It's wonderful. It actually makes you feel like you are glowing. Try it out.
Abita (Amber, Wheat, Strawberry, Restoration Ale...just about any of them but Turbo Dog & Purple Haze, which are the equivalent of chloroform for me :)...
Kronenberg 1664 (I think that's the name...Found it the other night at a local watering hole, & I love it)...
I also admit that I like Modelo...Especial, though, not Negro...
Oh, and Stella Artois has a special spot in my heart...The first time I tried it, I was in downtown Baton Rouge at a local spot called "Red Star Martini Bar" during the middle of the week....
Something about "Lingerie Karaoke Night" I just couldn't pass up...
Now Modelo Especial is about 10.99 a 12 pack and taste like real beer.
I find myself purchasing Modelo on more of a regular basis at the grocery store. I live in a real small town with only one store and limited selection in the beverage department, Modelo is really purty good and its cheaper than Shiner.
I'll try some of the others than yall mentioned next time I go to a big town.
There is a place in San Marcos called the Tap room over 30 different kind of brews on tap.
Adios Tomcat
Lingerie Karaoke? I can only imagine sounds like Halloween at Dad's Dream and Ma's nightmare BTW the county banned topless dancing in Kingsbury Texas
I spent about 10 months in Sussex England. They have real beer over there, its pumped up by hand, and its served in 20 ounce pints.
You know you have real beer, when you can see the hops and find an occasional dead bee. That stuff is pretty strong too and it goes down real good.
I've always called it Rocky Mountain spring water...
Anyway, I'm jealous. I need to get over to the motherland sometime soon. Fortunately I'm not terribly deprived where I am though. I'm really not missing out on too much here. I feel for those in other parts of the country who are though.
Haven't had Kronenberg yet. I've now written that one down and will be looking for it as well.
Stella is a huge fan favorite around here, but I always take "the one and only" over it every time.
Big XII - 5
SEC - 5
Big Televen - 4
ACC - 3
Pac 10 - 2
Big East - 2
MWC - 2
Conference USA - 2
WAC - 1
Coaches:
Only difference is that Arizona State (how did they get voted in?) replaces Fresno State to bring the Pac 10 to 3 teams and the WAC to 0.
That's what I get for doing it so late at night I guess.
Watch out for PSU...
I'm thinkin' he might still be sleeping from that snoozer of a game...
These days, I only recognize half the line up and that's bad...lol.
Geaux Tigers
Geaux SEC
Congrats on the Top 25...
How's Jimbo working out for ya so far? :)
I would suggest you enjoy it, as the meat of your schedule is hurtling towards you, and the Crucible is upon your team...
Geaux Tigers
Geaux SEC
LSU is the National Champions. Last years experience makes this team even more dangerous now. What did you lose? A running back? With Scott, Williams and Murphy now steppin' up - the running game is even stronger than it has been. Lost Flynn? So what. LSU has won with many a servicable QB and Flynn was one of them. Hatch will be fine. Early Doucet? You guys are loaded at WR - it makes no difference. Glenn Dorsey? Favorite steps into the DL. So what? In fact, the players taking these fine players places are even going to be better than the ones you just lost. That is the way that great recruiting works. LSU has been doing a fantastic job of recruiting in the last few years. Those players are all ready to step up. It's business as usual at LSU. Not the same case at Auburn. The Auburn defense is they're usual very fine self - but the offense is not. And the LSU defense, just like Southern Cal's, is becoming an absolute monster. When there is a defense on the field like this, then there is a very high probability that that team wins the game, especially if the other teams offense has any weaknesses to exploit. I believe that the LSU coaches will find those weaknesses in the Auburn offense -and that Auburn will not be able to adjust to what LSU is going to be doing. The QB's are just too inexperienced for this kind of defense. It actually could get ugly. You just saw it happen to one pretty good team and may just happen to another this coming weekend.
According to what ive read LSU only has 11 starters total back this year 5 offense 5 defense 1 kicker. Not sure where you got your numbers?
Obviously you dont know much about this game. Its always close. And believe it or not as enimic as the offensive numbers are we are still ranked higher and averaging more yards then last year.
I heard all this before the Florida game last year how we would get smashed. Same in 2006 and we scored 27 points with no offensive touchdowns. Ive been around AU football long enough to realize one thing. Its Defense that wins here. Dosent win any style points for AP polls but polls suck anyway.
If you dont like low scoring smash mouth football i suggest you dont watch saturdays game.
One other point of interest. LSU has failed to cover the spread against 2 teams that they clearly overmatch. I think there offense is a bit subject too.
The spread for LSU was 42 points? Am I mistaken? I took North Texas in that one. That's a hell of alot of points to cover. They must have brought in the reserves - they only won by 38 or something. Your kidding me, right?
And, where did I mention any "numbers" where it came to offensive and defensive starters? Seems like I said that whomever they lost - they would replace them with even better players.
And, where did I say that "I didn't like low scoring smash mouth football"? I just love how all you guys put words into my mouth that I never even blabbered about. Don't they have any remedial reading classes that you guys can get to in the evenings?
AU defense is every bit as good and prehaps better then LSU. Ranked number 6 last year and returned 8 starters. Very Very deep on the line. I just cant see LSU putting up big numbers against us.
We dont have all the big names that LSU has but they will be well known soon.
They may win but seldom is it a blow out and i suspect saturday will be the same.
I guess what we're talkin' about here is a 20-7 blowout? 20-7 is a blowout in the SEC? I thought that Florida's 59-20 pasting of Tennessee last year might have been a blowout in the SEC. But, I guess everything changed last weekend - maybe 4-2 could now be considered a blowout. BTW, my bro from Bama (the Pig Farmer) kept flippin' over to that Auburn game while we were watchin' USC. I couldn't even stay awake for the two minute commercial break that was happening during the USC-Ohio State game. That was the most boring game I have ever witnessed. I don't think we ever saw anything at all happen except for the safety. I would have more enjoyed pulling the wings off of flies.
I just think that the LSU QBs are going to have a tough tough time. Neither one has ever played in an away game. And i just think they wont perform very well.
Guess we will see.
You make several good points but until Hatch proves himself "serviceable" in SEC play, I'll hold judgement.
Here's hoping your right though.
Geaux Tigers
Geaux SEC
Well, I know it has been in the past. But, Auburn is doing something very strange on offense. I think they are trying to run a spread without the personel to do it with. That was the most anemic offense I have seen in some time. Even if they played twice as good against LSU, what could you give them, six points? LSU should be about 28 points or so better than MSU. Even if I split the difference, for playin' up and down, I still have to think that LSU wins by 13-14 points - if Auburn continues to play that poorly on offense. Scott isn't gonna have to average 14 per carry, he could probably average 6, and still gain 120 on 20 carries. Williams might get another 10 for 50 yards. If Hatch heaves it for even 100 yards - your gonna be approaching 300 yards of total offense. Auburn will not get even 200 yards of total offense against LSU. I say this one will go against all tradition and become a 20-7 LSU win - only because Auburn is foolin' around with an offense that they do not know how to run against a defense that they should not be fooling around with anyway.
It should not play into college football at all.
Im not upset that we went down we should have. What bothers me and shows me the complete bias of the AP poll is that UA is ranked 9.
Not exactly a powerful schedule youve played. Ill wait a few more weeks ,this thing will work itself out and UA wont be top ten anymore either.
Just keeping it real
Ill still take a 3-2 win over a loss anyday.
Auburn's offense sucks. you can spin that however you want, but you know it's true. Chris Todd is a complete joke of a QB.
yall's running game, however, is pretty good.
you have a one-dimensional offense, which is never good.
your defense is a powerhouse.
But, obviously, with that abysmal performance in Starkville, you cant expect to remain in the top 10.
Bama, however, has done nothing that doesn't warrant being in the top 10.
they smashed the class of the ACC, and then beat one bad team by two scores, and another by a blowout margin.
Also, if i remember correctly, y'all didnt exactly kill southern miss either.
LSU vs. Auburn game:
both offenses rely heavily on the run.
both defenses are very stout.
this is the epitome of smash-mouth football.
however, i think LSU's offense will manage to put up at least 17 points.
i think Auburn's offense will be lucky to find the endzone at all.
LSU - 17
Auburn - 6
What ever blows your skirt up. You Bama fans are all alike. No matter how hard you talk it up you are still a barely above average team at this point.
of all the points i made, you chose to focus on THAT one.
talk about blowing your skirt up.
okay. youre right. we dont know yet who's the best/worst in any conference.
great rebuttal.
however, MSU certainly looks worse than everyone in the SEC so far except maybe Arkansas. but at least the hogs are winning.
Clemson, best in the ACC?
maybe, maybe not. but they're certainly not the WORST in the ACC.
my post had nothing to do with last year....
LOL!
6-7, 7-6, and 3-0 to start this year, and you're crowing?
I'd shake my head and laugh, but its par for the course from ANY Bama fan to act arrogant and classless...Nice job keeping up the ole "Family Tradition", as Hank Jr.'d sing...
I may not be able to predict the final score for this weekend but i will say this. If people dont like smash mouth old fashioned defensive football dont watch espn
You guys are in for a beatdown...
...It ain't gonna be close...
Your defense hasn't faced ANYTHING like what we've got...and while your coach might be talking about Lester being okay, he hasn't run into the stone wall that we have for a defensive line...
Having said that, we've lost Beckwith at LB till the UF game at least with a knee tweak, and that will hurt us some, but we have gotten all of our backups-who are all talented kids-plenty of reps and they are ready to go.
Say what you want, but your defense threw a shutout against an offense that lost to Louisiana Tech...We are way more than a few rungs above the ladder than you-or MSU-are at this point...
Vegas has us at -3.5 after we started as a -2.5 dog...The money's moved us to almost a touchdown favorite counting the home field advantage bump of -3, and it's Monday night...By kickoff, we'll probably be somewhere around -7, which would be -10 without the home field...
No offense fellas, but we're gonna hand you your asses Saturday night...
Are you still upset that Bama, man handled LSU last year and the only reason yall won was a freak fumble and interception late in the fourth? Maybe Kentucky and Alabama and Arkansaw are not up to your level or something. I think you know what Im talkin about.
Top 5 looks about right however.
Famous words uttered by Jules Winfield in Pulp Fiction, and by TE after reading this incoherent post...
Are they smoking dope before casting their votes?
Oregon jumps up a few spots to #12 after squeaking by Purdue?
and Ohio State is NOT #13, or #14 bad. USC is just that good.
ASU hangs in there after losing to UNLV??
and Auburn, still #9 after scoring 3 points on the worst team in the SEC?
Why do you think we have Tulane!! That's where we send all the smart ones....lol!
Geaux Tigers
Geaux SEC
I wasn't really arguing the validity of your post (even though it may look and seem that way), but more so indicating that I will gladly step into that one to take his back, and "fact it" to death if need be. Although there seems to be no need at this point.
They are really scaring me right now.
they only play Kansas and WVU this year.
They ARE BCS.
They have a great chance at ruining this year's NC game.
USC - 63
USF - 3
Either way, I still think a 1 loss Oklahoma (as long as the one loss isn't to Kansas) or a 1 loss SEC team will get in ahead of an undefeated South Florida this season. Obviously an undefeated Southern Cal will beat them out as well.
If ECU goes undefeated, they're in the dance.
Utah has undefeated Air Force and TCU coming up. If Utah survives those they will catch up.
Who does ECU play to put them over an undefeated MWC team? Utah and BYU both have each other, which is better than anyone ECU has left on their schedule. Unless VT of WV turn it around and start dominating ECU will be trailing any undefeated MWC team, and there are still 4 of them.
Take a look at this. This is what each team's resume will essentially look like if they go undefeated.
Utah - Michigan, Oregon State, TCU, and BYU
Brigham Young - UCLA, Washington, TCU, and Utah
East Carolina - Virginia Tech, West Virginia, NC State, Virginia, Tulsa
TCU might finish in the top 25. UCLA could as well. I don't think they will, but they could. Tulsa will more than likely be in the top 25 or very close to it, and could be undefeated when ECU gets them in the C-USA Championship. Central Florida and Southern Miss could end up being pretty respectable as well, but let's leave them out for now. NCSU and UVA are bad, but so are Oregon State and Washington. Michigan does not look good either. The difference could very well come down to the fact that East Carolina looks to play in a conference championship game, which will give them another respectable opponent. I really don't see a likely scenario that would have Utah/BYU going undefeated and beating out an undefeated ECU.
MWC expansion if that scenario comes to fruition?
"Tulsa will more than likely be in the top 25 or very close to it, and could be undefeated when ECU gets them in the C-USA Championship"
One, Maybe two of the teams listed will go undefeated. That said, a one loss team from either of these conferences would be in the top 25. A one loss MWC team could easily end up in the top 15.
I would love to see a MWC expansion but I think is is more dependent on how Boise State and Fresno State end up than if the MWC gets snubbed for a BCS berth. Notice how they both are just out of the top 25?
Fresno State would have been easily ranked in the top 25 if North Carolina hadn't beaten the blood out of the overrated Scarlet Knights of Rutgers. That seriously exposed Fresno's "big win".
I'd like to see the MWC pull Fresno State, and Boise State from the WAC, and UTEP from C-USA...
...the Big East pull East Carolina, Central Florida, Marshall, and Memphis from C-USA...
...Tulsa, Tulane, SMU, Rice, and Houston then leave C-USA and join the WAC...
...and Southern Miss and UAB could join the Sun Belt.
Of course this is a pipe dream and stands virtually no chance of happening. It would completely dismantle C-USA, but I think it would improve the NCAA's conferences as a whole.
Here's how it would look:
MWC
Air Force
Brigham Young
Boise State
Colorado State
Fresno State
New Mexico
San Diego State
TCU
UNLV
Utah
UTEP
Wyoming
WAC
Hawai'i
Houston
Idaho
Louisiana Tech
Nevada
New Mexico State
Rice
San Jose State
SMU
Tulane
Tulsa
Utah State
Big East
Central Florida
Cincinnati
Connecticut
East Carolina
Louisville
Marshall
Memphis
Pittsburgh
Rutgers
South Florida
Syracuse
West Virginia
Sun Belt
Arkansas State
Florida Atlantic
Florida International
Louisiana-Lafayette
Louisiana-Monroe
Middle Tennessee
North Texas
Southern Miss
Troy
UAB
Western Kentucky
As a final note it'd make more sense if Louisiana Tech and North Texas would trade places. Of course, all of that makes far too much sense to actually happen, but you have to agree it makes for better conference pictures.
I think after the MWC raids the WAC, C-USA would be stronger and would absord the top WAC and Sun Belt teams. The Big East might take a team from the MAC to get a northern team to ease division alignments though Marshall could fill that roll.
I have the MWC taking Houston instead of UTEP for TV markets. Who really knows. Either way C-USA needs 4 teams, 5 if they lose Marshall, to remain strong. Louisiana Tech, Troy, Florida Atlantic and Arkansas State look like good choices for them.
The remaining WAC and Sun Belt teams would peice together a new conference with Hawaii and Florida Int. likely remaining independent.
I am currently in flux on my thoughts on PAC 10 expansion. I can't elaborate more until my thoughts reach a steady state. That might be A LONG TIME.
I don't really think it would help protect from a PAC 10 expansion as that is a lot of money for the defecting teams. I have been toying with the idea that Utah and BYU would have better chances at a BCS bowl in the MWC than the PAC 10. At least in the PAC 10 they would have a shot, though very long, at the title.
The better argument for expansion is that the conference is the premier BCS non AQ conference. If they lose Utah and BYU they would be greatly tarnished. TCU could bolt for C-USA to rejoin the former SWC members and the WAC would be able to take there pick of the rest. By expanding now they would remain the premier BCS non AQ conference with any PAC 10 expansion and be able to replace the defectors with ease.
I think if the championship game made a difference it would draw attention but the Utah BYU game in this scenario would be a de facto MWC championship game. Also #4-7 of the MWC are better than their C-USA counterparts. The MWC is significantly stronger in the middle and usually stronger at the top.
The MWC should expand sooner than latter, I said so before the season and i'm sticking to it.
The championship game in C-USA allows ECU to play a possibly undefeated Tulsa where they wouldn't have without it, which would undoubtedly increase the difficulty of their schedule. Head to head, it also would seem to be the kicker to make their schedule harder than a BYU/Utah regardless of the MWC being stronger than C-USA.
WVU is a team which has managed almost 450 yards total offense over the last 3 years against similar competition, yet this year has managed an average of just over 300 yds/gm while allowing opponents 90 more yrds/gm. Everybody knows WVU has Pat White & Noel Devine; they'll defense those 2. Three years ago everybody found out about Steve Slaton, defensed him last year, and he still finished with almost 1200 yards, and he hardly played a down of the Fiesta Bowl.
WVU has one of the fastest, most dangerous tandems in all of college football, and they're protected by a veteran & deep offensive line. Yet, all of a sudden they can't move the ball, and people have ranked them damn near 20th, when there are teams out there undefeated with 3 wins. I suppose I shouldn't complain. It's not as if this hasn't happened to the likes of FSU, Miami, MI, NE, OSU, etc, etc, etc., a time or 2. Thing is, I didn't like it then; I don’t like it now. WVU needs to earn their stripes; not be given the benefit of the doubt due to the success from recent years. Just a thought.
Although, if you look at it, it's tough to find teams to rank above them. Maybe that's just me.
#2 Oklahoma.... dominated
#3 Flordia.... Tebow and Defense, Dangerous
#4 Georgia.... Got the pieces with Moreno and Stafford, but haven't made the statement yet
#5 Mizz.... dominated
#6 BYU... dominated
#7 Texas... Im a little uncertain with Texas but, Ill give them the benifit of the doubt.
#8 LSU Yet to play anyone but we will find out this weekend.
#9 Penn State ... dominated weak teams but nevertheless dominated
#10 Alabama Beating Clemson#23, Tulane (who is better than thought), and WKU looks tough
There you have it.
But I'm sure it will change after the big SEC matchups this week.
Mizzou put up some points this past weekend, but they allowed 42 points to an Illinois team that eked out a 20-17 win over the University of Louisiana-Lafayette...Seriously?
That shows me right there you aren't thinking it through...
Flordia... has looked and peformed a little better than Georgia who ecked by South Carolina.
Mizz. Offense is very impressive, and I just dont see. BYU, Texas, Penn State or Bama, really over taking them in the rankings. Even if the "juice" put it on them.
But like I said we will find out about your sweet LSU team this saturday.
Here is another ranking I like, though the median is better than the mean, as it is less sensitive to outliers.
1) USC
3) Oklahoma
4) Florida
5) Georgia
7) Missouri
8) LSU
10) Auburn, Texas
11) Wisconsin, BYU
12) Oregon
14) South Florida, Alabama
15) Utah, Penn State
16) TCU
17) Kansas
18) Wake Forest, Ohio State
19) Texas Tech
21) ECU
22) Kentucky
No other team has a median of 25 of better.
So, you're going to have been to SC State @ Clemson, Georgia @ South Carolina, Alabama vs. Clemson in Atlanta, and quite a few Georgia home games this year. Am I leaving any out? That's very impressive if you ask me.
The computers appear to be doing a great job for the MWC and East Carolina. MUCH better than they did for Hawaii last year.
I guess it helps to actually play people who are good.
Colley
Massey
Sagarin
Anderson and Hester and Wolfe don't release rankings this early. The medians listed above appear very close to what BCS GURU uses as the substitute for these.
For the Sagarin the BCS uses the rankings in red, favoring the top non BCS teams. they all have at least one non AQ conference member in the top 10. I HIGHLY recommend Colley and Massey.
regardless of who losses, then they will all face each other again...lol
No need to hate on the SEC for having 5 teams in the top 10 cause we will put each other out of it anyway.