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Dont worry Lennie OU will fall from that top spot after the BU game.
The Sooners squeezed past the Frogs but they arent gonna be so lucky at Foyld Casey Stadium in Waco Texas.The Game will go down in history as BU knocks off the #1 OU and the game will be remembered for generations of Bear fans as the Beatdown on the Brazos.
Sicem-Bears
The Baylor Bears have never beaten the Sooners and all that will change next Saturday.
I can see the highlight films already of Robert Griffin running through the Sooners D and making touchdowns and I can hear Stoops complaining to the refs and chaiming they got robbed as the Bears march to victory in Waco Texas
Tomcat's posts are usually pretty solid, relevant, effecient and informative-- Lennie's are often laced with "...you're on crack", "C-limp-son" stuff--(hence my "olka... redneck" sideswipe last week), usually directed at TC--yet he was the first (and olny) guy that went to bat for LC after that sleight.
I think you've got it all wrong on this one.
GO GATORS!!
First off he's not from Oklahoma, but Mississippi, lives in Austin of all places.
Look I cant help it, I've tried real hard to tone it down a bit, but I like to fish.
1tomcat is over the top Anti-Oklahoma.
IMO both are usually best for comic relief, especially when the two of them are going at it.
Texas Longhorns are the best and OU has always tried to compare themselves to Texas, but they cant, because Texas is far better and OU knows they are second fiddle to the Best.
If OU somehow makes to a BCS game they will be competeing with Notre Dame and try set a new record for bowl losses.
Hookem-Horns
Is it just me or does anyone else notice that somebody has an apparent nutsack fetish? What the hell is that about? On second though....I don't wanna know. I'll take the Army's stance...."Don't ask, don't tell."
Congrats on the win this weekend, btw. Same goes to all the other teams too.
Geaux Tigers
Geaux SEC
It was just one isolated incident and probably is just that, however it is generally known that Oklahoma hates Texas. I've worked with folks from Oklahoma and Arkansas and they are just like anybody else-good folks, but they don't like Texas and that's okay. The A&M Aggies refer to UT as tu and have Texas in their fight songs etc etc, their obsession with Texas is beyond fanatical.
It really shows a kind of respect in a twisted way when a team has fierce rivalries that have been played for decades.
I didn't get to see yalls game Saturday, but I look forward to seeing some in the future. The Arkansas game was kinda disappointing in a way and just because they lost a couple of players, they shouldn't have dropped off that much from last year. Firing Nutt was a bad move and now Ole Miss is doing better. Texas has had that game circled on their calender for a long time and the players were definitely fired up and dominated the Hogs. Muschamp has done a good job with the defense and I can't count how many times they sacked Dick.
Good luck this season
Hookem-Horns
Adios Tomcat
Hookem
Watch out for PSU...
UGA is a bit low...
Gators still too high...
"...Gators still too high..."
Oh, I get it--you mean, the number next to them is too high...cause for a minute there, I thought you were suggesting the Gators were not a top 10 team...
(Keep the faith man--we had a bad outing; that doesn't mean we're a bad football team--certainly not as bad as what we were this weekend).
GO GATORS!!
Clemson - DID NOT RECEIVE A VOTE IN THE AP POLL THIS WEEK
Arkansas - who got 50 hung on them by Texas last night
Georgia - Who was overhyped and most would agree that their lines were suspect.
Congrats to 'Bama, but I think its apparent that the pendulum of power in the SEC has swung decidedly to the SEC West. Tennessee, Florida, & Georgia all lost yesterday, and they were all beaten by Western Division teams...
As far as the polls go, there are five football teams in America who now control their own destiny, in that if they win the remaining games on their schedule, they will participate in the BCS National Championship Game.
The other interesting thing is that two of the teams reside in the SEC, and the other 3 are in the Big XII.
LSU & Alabama both have a ways to go-especially LSU, with now once wounded and back against the wall opponents in both Florida & Georgia-but OU, Texas, & Mizzou are all on a collision course in the Big XII...
They are pretty easy to hate
I will be love hearing him talk about what a big win the Clemson win was...
They're too busy giving themselves circle jerks on their board to come over here and howl at the moon...
LSU let Miss St. put up 24 points besides SE louisiana thats more point than anyone has allowed them.
We also gave up two turnovers on short field, one of which they scored a touchdown on...Freshman mistakes will happen...Can't make any excuses about that...
They also scored once on a ridiculous drive at the end when we had our starters out, and believe me, what Sly tried to do with the score will be repaid in Starkville....Many times in the past 10 years LSU has seriously called the Dogs-so to speak-off on that team...
We will never do so again...
But, congrats on your "big win". Let's see how well Georgia does the rest of the year...
What happens if we hold them to less than 30 points? Or score more than 41?
Don't you have some Paul Finebaum Show phonecalls to go listen to?
How is not making an excuse for them scoring ridiculous reasoning? I'm still trying to figure that one out...I guess since you Gumps are now popping up and whittling yourselves out of the woodwork from which you came, we have to see you respond-no matter how idiotically-to talk about the excuse making of someone who says they can make no excuse...Such is the mindset of an Alabama football fan...
Or, perhaps was it ridiculous that I said they scored a garbage touchdown late?
Doesn't that mirror-almost IDENTICALLY-what you just listed as a reasons for why you gave up 30 points late?
I mean, what's more ridiculous...You saying that me not making an excuse for turnovers and points off turnovers is ridiculous reasoning, or you using my excuses for giving up 7 points as your own excuse for giving up 30, and then saying that its somehow ridiculous reasoning?
You're delusional...Or, should I say...Gumpical...
Don't go thinking that we Auburn folk don't appreciate all the slack you LSU guys have picked up in the 'Hate Bama' department, ever since Saban arrived. Makes our job a little easier...
Have to say, TE, that I'm impressed by that win last night in Athens. Now if only Saban doesn't implode like last year, they may have a good chance to go to Atlanta...
Mutual respect...
But, take your victory lap now, ROLLTIDE_73..
I think the site would be well served if we both focused on the NEXT games on our schedule, as your coach often advises you to...
Otherwise, this thread and the site with it will devolve quite quickly now that you've got a reason to talk smack...
He's not as handsome as say, Tomcat...
I am just watching the replay right now. Our play calling was suspect in the opening quarter and yours was dead on. On both things that I thought we would have an advantage on you, I was dead wrong. Your secondary played good man coverage and JPW had a great game. I mean who would have thought he would go 6-6 to start off the game. The one pass he missed in the opening we negated with a pass interference call.
So we got one loss. We have a week off to get it together. We are going to see what this team is made of now. Losing to an SEC West opponent is the best scenario if we were going to have a loss. Now we just need to handle our business in the East before we head to Baton Rouge. This GA team is good so let's see if Richt can pull them back together.
GO DAWGS!
Their offense put up 14 points on us, there, Doctor Lou...
When I say this I mean no disrespect to the Tide, cause you guys did kick our butts, I'm just thinking out loud and talking to another dawg,
I think that Martinez is going to have to play a little reckless on defense. I think we need to help that line get some pressure on the QB, our corners are going to need to play tighter coverage. We may give up some big plays but I think we will get some turnovers, and take away the three step drop. Bama didn't punt or turn it over the whole first half. I'm not qualified to coordinate a defense, but man that was ugly. I know people say these things all the time (Why don't you Blitz?) The coaches laugh and say well you don't want to give up the big play. But coach at the same time you don't want to give up 10 little plays in a row for touchdowns 4 times in a row except the time you gave up 6 little plays in a row that resulted in a field goal. Thats my 2 cents. You know it costs my car now as much to park as my ticket cost for the game less donation to the Hartman Fund.
One last thing, there is this guy that sits behind me in section 133, he has been there since the Jim Donnan era, I cannot believe that some team has not hired him yet. He missed the GA Southern and Central Michigan games so I figured that he was now the offensive coord. for some college or possibly NFL team. Well he showed up Saturday so he is still available, anyone out there that needs offensive genious, I'll be glad to hook you up.
Man, do we always play a bad one along the way or what? I hope that CMR can get these boys minds right in the next two weeks. He has to get control of the penalties. We have a rep now so we have to be extra cautious.
Martinez has his work cut out for him. This defense is not nearly as good as it was last year. I know BAMA has some hogs but we got no pressure on them. BAMA had a great game plan and did exactly what I thought, after watching the 1st 4 games, could beat us. The took the quick underneath passes that we have been giving up all year and just marched it down the field. I don't think JPW can play like that every game but he did against us. I give him all the credit in the world. Martinez defense says you are going to have to execute to beat us and damn if they didn't do it the entire 1st half.
Anyway, I know you are like me and think that we still have a great shot of making it to the championship game. We just have to put up with the pundits like TE each week until we get there.
GO DAWGS!!
Remind me again where Knowshon ranks nationally rushing? Or how many starters UGA returned this year after Sturdivant's injury? Or where that ranked in terms of returning starting experience?
I'll remind you Charles Scott ranks in the Top 10 nationally, we returned 4 of 5 starters on an OL that rushed for 3K yards last year, AND we have the most starting experience in the conference at the position.
Now, I'l admit, your defense was WAY WORSE than I thought it was...Watching some of the lowlights...Whew...Can't say I thought you guys would get owned like that in your own place that quickly...
Will your President issue a press release tomorrow whining about the shaft you took at Sanford Stadium Saturday just like when he felt like you took the shaft last year for not winning the East and still not being able to play for the National Title?
https://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?i...
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football...
You will have plenty of time to spout your junk over the next two weeks with both our teams being on a bye week. I have no comeback because UGA VII layed a big nasty turd on Saturday on our living room carpet. All we can do is clean it up, pat him on the head, and love him for the badass that he is. The best thing about listening to you talk smack about BAMA and the underated DAWGS is that we will get to kick you butts before they do!
Now you get into some teams that can play. You squeaked by Auburn and their overpowering offense with more miracle work by Les. You gave up some junk points to Miss St but you DID give up 24 offensive points to them, a team who couldn't even score a touchdown in their spring game. Oh I forgot about your linebacker and two starting tackles so that doesn't count does it?
Enjoy your week off because you are going to need the rest before you go to Florida, to South Carolina, and get paid a visit by a Georgia team that is going to suprise you.
GO DAWGS!
I'm looking forward to you guys, but Tim Teblow will be looking to really come back with a vengeance against LSU after we stuck it to them in Tigre Stadium last year...
It'll be tough, and I honestly will not be surprised-though perhaps a tad bit more than upset (LOL)-if we come out of that 4 game UF, USC, UGA, UAT crucible with one loss...
Two losses will have TE at his apocalyptic, apoplectic best...
But, nice job of manning up in that post...and I agree with you, you guys are going to climb right back up the rankings, as you've got some tilts left with some big boys that will start you back up the path towards the Top 10...
Hell, you are still in the driver's seat for the Eastern Division, and with Kentucky & Vandy both turning in competitive performances, you've got a shot to really brush the resume back off with some big games left on your slate in conference, and even a little bit of a boost from GT coming...
Ya'll will be back...Back-to-back 10-2 seasons ain't nothing to sneeze at...
I hope you realize where the 2nd loss is coming, though :)
wowwwww.
"Les Miles is a ...uh....good coach....
and auburn was....uhh.........really reallllllly good.......
and those croomdogs.......scored 24 points...but....those points werent legit.........
alabama sucks because.......uhhh.......they havent played anyone!!! and uhhhh......nick saban is their coach......and uhh ......les miles is better!! i swear!!"
Alabama has played 2 top 10 teams on the road.
Alabama has beaten 2 top 10 teams by a combined 34 points.
Alabama walked into Athens to play the most talented team in the country, during the blackout game, and was beating Georgia 31-0 before LSU could manage to build a 2 score lead against the croomdogs.
Alabama dominated an elite SEC team in a way that an elite SEC team hasn't been dominated in YEARS..... AT HOME...... BETWEEN THE HEDGES...... BLACKOUT.....
go ahead. every team that Alabama beats from now until the showdown in Baton Rouge will have been overrated. Alabama will be the most overrated undefeated team in the country.
and then we'll kick the dog-S*** out of that douchebag Miles, and all of his raping/pillaging LSU faithful.
please do me a favor TE. after the loss please don't go punch some 8 year old girl who's wearing a houndstooth cap.
Miles might wanna go ahead and evacuate the city.
TE, go buy some plywood and put FEMA on speed-dial.
the tide is rising fast.
Go ahead and sound off like you got a pair, BC! I mean - don't hold anything back. Tell it like it really is and don't take no DawgCrap from anybody.
Bartholemeaux, you may go ahead and release the hounds......
for anyone to come on here and try to downplay our win against georgia....the nerve!
now. dont forget. alabama still has a long way to go but i just felt the need to nuke Baton Rouge on that post. ive had enough of that arrogant and classless fanbase to last me a lifetime.
even my friends at auburn realize that bama is legit.
and to georgia, your season isnt over.
your team still possesses good talent and coaching, and i think yall needed that wake up call to get your team to start playing.
i still think youve got the east on lock, just watch out for vandy haha.
im lookin forward to the rematch in the GA Dome.
your fanbase is a class act.
Were you the one leading the cheer in your section when ya'll cranked up, "WEEEEEEEEEEEE JUST BEEEEEEEEEEEAT THE HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL OUTTAAAAAAAAAAA YOUUUUUUUUU!"
LOL...
I've got way more than enough nerve to admit that Georgia was over-ranked to be preseason #1...I've got way more than enough nerve to admit that Georgia was the #3 team in the nation...
Just as you might like to downplay LSU, let's see Alabama get into a few more actual SEC games (I'm not sure we should count Arkansas as an actual SEC game against a Divisional foe this year, would you agree? LOL)...
Les Miles will have to go 10-11 over his next 21 games to equal Nick Saban's tenure in Baton Rouge...So I guess we're really jealous that you've got him these days...
38-6 over his first 43...LOL...You nailed it, BC...Dude wins 88% of his games as our head coach, and is 9-3 against Top 10 competition since his first year, and he's "uuhhh good coach"....
Geezus you 'Bama Fans start feeling your oats after a decent game...
That's okay, though...You keep taking PERSONAL shots at our fanbase while ignoring the absolute repugnance of your own fanbase and their hijinks...I'm going to take the high road for now...I'm just going to talk college football, and not 8 year old girls (You are evidently the expert on those, not me).
I hope you can see the pattern developing here, sir...You talk about marrying a girl for money, then arrogantly taking hypocritical shots at our fanbase while ignoring all the Collette's in your fanbase...
Young man, you are in DIRE need of a case of humble pie...
But, say what you like, do what you like, here...I crow whether LSU wins or loses...Unlike some other little boys who come on here to talk smack about urban legends and how rich their girlfriend's pappys are...
You stay classy, BC...LOL...
The only thing rising is the level of diarrhea coming out of your mouth. Try this for once: win gracefully. I know it's gonna be hard, especially where you're from, but the reason your team is disliked by so many is evident in your post.
Why do you feel the need to berate my team after beating Georgia? Is it because we've beat yall 7 out of the last 8? That has to be it...IDK.
And to try and slam Les Miles pertaining to the hurricanes is, again, classless. Then again, I would expect no less from you.
Geaux Tigers
Geaux SEC
I just KNEW you couldn't resist pumping up about that Clemson win...
What a SURPRISE! They don't get a single vote in the AP Poll, and get what...5 in the coaches, but they're a Top 10 team on the ROAD! Nevermind it was a neutral setting...Nevermind they've got two losses...
They're now a Top 10 team, right?
Yeah...You guys did a good job beating an over-rated Georgia team...Period, point blank. You dominated their lines. One of which was already suspect (offensive), and the other was exposed (defensive).
You guys have an impressive road victory under your belts...But, may I remind you that we have a victory over a Top 15 team on the road, JUST like you do, now...
You see, I don't count the W's over the teams and talk about where they were ranked WHEN we played them, but what they're ranked RIGHT NOW...
Yet another 'Bama fan living in the past to prop up the present...
It's okay, though...we're used to overinflated egos and unabashed hubris...We'll just keep our heads down, worry about Florida, worry about South Carolina, worry about Georgia, and when the time comes, we'll worry about Alabama...
But, you guys have fun with your ranking...Enjoy it while it lasts...
...other than that, I faht in your general direction... ;)
GO GATORS!!
I try to save a draft once I start working on a thread that might be desired by another. Also if it is a topic that might be started by somone else it is good to look at the manage threads link in MT to see if one have been started.
This conference is wide open and there will be many upsets along the way. All that it ever takes is for the favored team to lose the turnover battle. This happens quite often - and no team can go through any season winning the TO battle in each and every game. There will be many games in which the "best team" turns the ball over too many times. Nobody will get out of this conference, this year, without one or two losses.
Some teams replace their coaches after winning seasons in tough conferences, namely Arkansas and Texas A&M, Takes a while for new systems to catch on and I was kinda disappointed with the Hogs performance yesterday. The Hogs & Aggies get to play each other next year so somebody is gonna win. It doesnt matter what the record is the Aggies always give 110% playing the Horns, its really a kinda crazy rivalry.
Congrats to Ole Miss
Rice Owls scored like 77 points yesterday- Makes the Horns win look purty impressive- same should be said for Vanderbilt who beat Ole Miss & Rice
I will bet a weeks pay on the Trojans this week as we are not Oregon State or Stanford...the Trojans will be ready this weekend but all conference games, even in the lowly Pac 1+9 are tough games. USC will stub their toe again one more time this year.
I will be surprised if any team comes out undefeated. out of the Big 12 or SEC. The Big 11 could be the sleeper. Penn State in the NCG...ugh! Quite frankly, USC had the best chance until Thursday night. BCS busters could be very interesting though. BYU, Boise State...?
Tommie, be very careful in Tucson, I think that is the wild card in the PAC this year.
Man, they are just trying to make it impossible for me to get my wish aren't they.
Very nice, Lennie.
You have to have it to show it. Chalk up another one who won't be responding to the 9yr old know as Leonard Collins. Man, that list is getting long too.
Geaux Tigers
Geaux SEC
Geaux Tigers
Geaux SEC
I'm sure this will be mentioned in tomorrow's "Pick 'Em" thread, but it makes me look way smarter if I point it out first...lol.
Good luck.
Geaux Tigers
Geaux SEC
What a great weekend! (especially for myself, Huge Bama fan!)
But my view on the SEC has been realigned
Georgia, OVerrated? I don't beleive so. They were a great team last season returning with all there stars and playmakers. They deserved to be that high in the polls and to be considered NC type team,
I beleive they will regroup and finish strong. they showed alot of charcter after fighting back in the second half,
Tennesee, you can stick a fork in them
Flordia defense can not handle straight power and persistant balanced attacks
Still, Tewbow and Harvin can compete with anyone in the country, but the oline not that impressive
Ole Miss, Oh Nutt doing it again. Scares the hell out of me being a Bama fan. Ole Miss will take control the next few years and obtain Arkansaws place in the SEC WEST
Arkansaw, I dont beleive in Petrino and Big East coaching, Its going to be some growing pains over there
LSU, cant say to much, I was so into the Bama game I didnt take in their game. I havent been to impressed especially in the Auburn game. If they are suppose the be NC contenders I havent seen nothing spectaculer or worth TE's hype.
Vandy, Well winning games and holding up the SEC's GPA is pretty much all they have been doing this year. But i just got the feeling the party is about to end,
Auburn- Look like s*** on Offense, D looks strong, The question is, Can the O come threw?
SC, Kentucky, and Miss State - nothing new, same tough SEC oppents that just cant seem to win
Bama, saving the best for last, they have done everything that they can to make the statement that Bama is back. They are! Its soonier than I thought but they are ready to compete and win against the SEC's best. You cant deny that Bama is the one team you dont want to be playing right now.
Bama still has to prove there consistency of play, But quit your hating and accept that they have meet there challenges so far.
That just the way I see the SEC rearranging this week.
I guess that you felt the 14-7 win over USC was a huge statement game...
But, I'm the one hyping MY team...
Doesn't appear that you guys are hyping YOUR team, huh?
You've got a win over a Top 15 team at their place...So do we, if I'm not mistaken...
You've got an opening season win over an ACC club that did not receive a SINGLE VOTE in the most recent Associated Press Poll....NOT ONE...Yet, you all are I'm sure wanting to stick your chests out and beat it about that, aren't you?
(No offense, Clemson Fans, but I'm using facts here to combat Alabama fans; sorry to catch you in the blowback)
Congrats on the ranking...I'd remind you about how topsy-turvy the Top 10 is as we've been in it so much over the past 3-5 years, but you'll find out yourselves...
You guys control your own destiny for the first time since 2005, I believe, when you started out undefeated and nailed Meyer for a 31-nil score in Tuscaloosa...We had to burst your bubble in Bryant Denny back then....JaMarcus to Dwayne Bowe in OT, I think is how we snuffed out your last title hopes...
Just keeping winning, Gumps...We've got something for you...
I might have referenced the past, but talking about Prothro is now taking your deluded ruminations to a new low: Hypothetical what might have beens from three years ago to claim a "mental, moral victory"...LOL...Still smarting after getting your lunch money taken the year you fellas thought you might contend, huh?
If I remember correctly, you ended the regular season on three game losing streak, including one in the Iron Bowl, there, buddy...But, I guess in your head you don't count those losses since your wideout got hurt and, "it shouldn't count when 'Bama players get hurt" or whatever your deranged mind is telling you...
Seriously, man...Evidently, I've run across a guy with a need to get the last word even more compelling than my own, but if the words you have to get last are this silly and sophomoric, just save 'em...
I mean, this is a message board, not 5th grade...Come with something better than that...
(It was, however, highly comical to read you refer to yourself as a Gump...LOL indeed)
At least Auburn won against Mississippi State though...
If we keep winning, I think it will straighten itself out, but we better get our ass in gear quickly...
Haven't you heard the Lazarus' Fans...errr....Bama Fans?
We're garbaje, Cobia...
We met quite a few pleasant State fans and they love jambalaya...lol. But before the game started and WHILE the LSU band was playing the Alma Mater, the Miss St band started playing something in an attempt to show their level of class. It lasted for about 5 seconds though, as all of the Tiger fans around them showed their displeasure at the blatant attempt of disrespect. I didn't notice if the band leader was heading this up or not, but it was totally classless and deserved of any and all the taunts/threats (for lack of a better word) that were given back to them.
I realize that St has a good defense, but our offense did not overly impress me as a whole. I think we're a good football team, and maybe my expectations are too high, but I honestly thought we could've looked better. On the pic thrown by Lee, we all saw it about to happen before the ball was even thrown. He let it go and we all hollered "no!" and then the guy makes the pic. I have to attribute it to inexperience, but still, he's got to recognize those coverages earlier and pull the ball down or check off the throw.
I still stand by my prediction of 9-3 this season. They've given me no reason to change my mind. I think if we continue to play to the level that we're playing, 9-3 is a very real possibility.
Geaux Tigers
Geaux SEC
Florida
USC
Georgia
Ole Miss
Arkansas
Tulane
Troy
I'm guessing you're counting Troy & Tulane as W's, so that means you think we go 2-3 in the conference, with games against Ole Miss & Arkansas to go?
Do me a favor...Go find a local animal shelter...I'm sure they've got lots of dogs that need adoption. You seem a little scared...
You SERIOUSLY think we go 0-3 versus Georgia, UAT & UF?
That's p*ssy sh!t right there, man...
We have a NINETEEN YEAR OLD AT QUARTERBACK WHO JUST STARTED HIS FIRST GAME...
He threw one pick on a short field, finished 18/27 for 261 and a couple of touchdowns, and was the SEC Freshman Offensive Player of the Week...
State came in giving up a 40% completion percentage...Lee hit on 67% of his passes...What more can you ask for from a RS Freshman, man?
Charles Scott got 27 touches for 140 yards...None of the 27 were over 20 yards, which means every time he touched it, Scott was money for 6, 5, 8, 9, 12...
On defense, the safeties need work, but our corners played a GREAT game. We're also missing Beckwith at middle linebacker, and in case you didn't notice, we lost our starting defensive tackles to a groin (Francois) and a ankle tape job (Charles Alexander). We were missing THREE starters for most of the 2nd quarter!
Hell...I also saw in the Stadium, and again on replay that night and on Sunday's replay that Kelvin Shepherd missed an easy tackle in the backfield early that went for 15 yards...He immediately limped off, got retaped, and was MUCH better afterwards.
We also had an issue with Riley covering the back out of the backfield...That's something that needs to be fixed, but it was nothing embarassing.
Look, man...They gave up one short-field touchdown, one nice drive, and one garbage touchdown late when our starters were out. The other two drives were without three starters right up the heart of our defense.
You are either spoiled, are you aren't watching the same games I am, but that 9-3 sh!t is ridiculous...
We beat Miss St by 10 points......that's it.......10 points. The same Miss St team that we went to Starkville and beat by, what, 45 last year? And you think we're improved? Oh, and Jarrett Lee just started his first game?? Damn, I didn't know that! C'mon dude, I follow LSU too man.
On the bright side, we only had 3 turnovers, gave up over 100 yards rushing and not to mention a 60 yard return on the opening kickoff. Is that indicitive of the 2007 National Champions and the #3 ranked team in the country? I didn't think so. All I'm saying is if we play THAT WAY in the rest of our conference games, yeah, we could end up 9-3. That's being real...not looking at everything through purple and gold Maui Jim sunglasses.
Don't forget, we pull for the same team bro. It's aight to disagree. But save the name-calling for the rivals. I've done nothing to deserve it.
Geaux Tigers
Geaux SEC
No more name-calling, as I'll admit I was fired up by the ROLLTIDE_73's & Kotex_Crimson's of the world...
But, let me tell you this...We were missing the entire middle of our defense, and we gave up two straight short fields, and they got a total of 7 points...
60 yard opening kickoff, and we give up a FG...
I'm not going to change your mind, but I thought that this game was not indicative of the final score...Sort've like a surface review of a 41-30 UGA/UAT game...
Once we established a 10 point lead, we never relinquished it, and we had three players miss time in the middle of our defense, along with another in Shepherd who was on a bum wheel...
My personal theory is that we've faced 4 teams thusfar, and with Florida coming in two weeks, that means 4 of the 1st 5 will have all been Spread teams...Having to go back and forth between those two disciplines for one game I think confused our safeties in coverage a few times, and we also played 6 true freshman last night...
We got an uncharacteristic fumble out of a runnin back...Is that something you think is going to be characteristic of the rest of the season? Do you think Beckwith won't improve the defense when he returns in Gainesville? FRESH, I might add? Do you think we won't be that much more fresh from being able to count on Shepherd & Riley off the bench to spell him?
I have experienced this on my board for the past two weeks...It's pure and simple fear...
I'm sorry to say that's what it smells like, and this isn't a name or a cutdown, or any shot...But I just smell fear out of our fanbase...
I cannot stand it...We should be and will be favored to win every game left on our schedule, and to think otherwise is just gobbeldygook...
I have a low tolerance for folks who aren't as gung-ho as I am, and reading that just made me think you don't have very much confidence in our staff, or our players...It really stings me to think folks think that way...
I spent all offseason after JaMarcus left talking to mindless dummies who thought we'd go 8-4 or 9-3 in 2007...That mentality amazes me....
The chemistry and development we've seen with this staff and the coordinators we've hired is night-and-day from the previous regime, and I'll say something else...This coach won't ever lose his locker-room like Saban did after the Bowl game in 2004...
NEVER...
I just love LSU, and I have trouble with people who don't see all the positives...I admit there are aspects which need to improve (covering the back with the linebacker will be fixed with Shepherd moving into the position Riley was in Saturday, once Beckwith returns), and continuing to develop Safety continuity.
But, our DL & DE generated great pressure on that gritty little QB they started for the 1st time all season, Saturday...
I thought Hawkins got burned once, and other than that, we played GREAT at corner...
Just don't see so much negative as I see an opportunity to get better...State is a good team and that we could play with the lapses we had and the attrition we suffered like that is inspiring to me, and I have confidence in our staff that we fix holes and will put it all together...
It's a good thing your not a hog fan. Too many box score fans around here.
Hate. Dogs. (and elephants)
And it's not fear that you smell. It's reality bro. I gave you facts from the game. I understand that Beckwith was out, Alexander had an ankle issue (I think that's the injury), we had a reshirt frosh starting, we got an uncharacteristic fumble, and blah, blah, blah.
You have a low tolerance for folks not as gung ho as you? I have a low tolerance for people who keep making excuses for mistakes that should not happen.
I'm definitely a "glass is half-full" kinda guy. But I refuse to paint a picture to convince myself that when so and so gets back, and we fix these mistakes, and the chemistry and developement of our staff (which I agree with, btw).....everything will be 'aight. That's just misleading. That's what you HOPE happens. FWIW, I hope the same thing.
And I totally agree...we have lots of opportunity to get better. The staff and Miles can handle it. They've handled it before. They'll do it again. But the point of my original post was and still is:
IF WE PLAY THE REST OF OUR CONFERENCE GAMES THE WAY WE PLAYED STATE, WE'LL LOSE.
And you tell me you can't agree with that? If we give up 3 turnovers and 110 yrds rushing to Bama, we still win? Is that what your'e saying?
Here's hoping I'm proven wrong. God knows I want to be. I'd love nothing more than to run the table....nothing more. But adjustments and or corrections need to be made from last weeks game. THAT'S MY POINT. It has nothing to do with being negative, or not gung-ho. Hell, if you'de see my house, truck, party room, wardrobe, KIDS WARDROBE...lol, then you'de see gung-ho. From the huge flag on the front of the house to the 8ft inflatable Mike IV (lighted too, I might add) that goes out on gameday, no-one has it worse than me.
Geaux Tigers
Geaux SEC
TigerEducated:
Wow. Seriously??
We embarass Clemson and everyone who was saying they would win the ACC, now thinks they're a joke.
We pound Arkansas in Fayetteville and nobody looks - understandable. They're a poor team.
But GEORGIA?? Alabama goes out and dominates the #3 team in the nation - what the Sanford Stadium announcer liked to refer to his team as - and people are now saying Georgia was overrated. Unbelieveable.
It's ok though. It's early, and we're taking one game at a time. Bring on the Wildcats!
Roll Tide!!
If I were to say yes, I would have to be more insane, older, and a lot less redneck-y.
Nice try though. :)
I truly hope you can check that no off, as well...
I didn't listen to Plyer about it. I wish I had. I've been calling for Bowden's job for a long time now. My phone absolutely blew up after the Maryland game with texts and calls from friends who haven't been completely on board with me. Now it seems that everyone is on board. Now if only TDP would get on board.
There are good options out there right now that I think are available for us to take. I really think that we need to move now.
I need to go pick up my posts from two years ago...I actually posted about how I'd see you all talking about "The process", and "The next game on our schedule is THE MOST IMPORTANT GAME," and "taking it one game at a time," and all those other Kool-Aid Sabanisms...LOL...
Good to see you've taken your spot in the choir...
I really am glad to see you back, because its obvious that the SEC Western Division is perhaps the most hypercompetitive assembly of six college football teams the sport may have ever seen...
It's going to be an interesting matchup, because we have wide receivers in spades. You seemed to do well in coverage against UGA.
We have a dynamite offensive line, both in pass pro and on the ground...You allegedly have a good defensive line-I'm sorry if you guys don't take me seriously on this, but the simple fact is that your two biggest wins came against offensive lines that had two starters out of 10 returning...
We have a dynamite defensive line that dominated the same offensive line last year. Please tell me Glenn Dorsey made the difference last year. I need a laugh. Your all everything left tackle dropped the soap repeatedly against Kirston Pittman in that game...
I'm really looking forward to it, but we have Florida & Georgia on our radar before we deal with you guys later in November...
Good luck the rest of the way, and congrats on the win...
Georgia put up 30 on you, but since we've covered the fact that you feel your starting defense being on the sidelines is an excuse for giving up 30, but our starting defense being on the sidelines is not a good enough excuse for giving up the late 7 I talked about, I guess you sure got me there, ROLLTIDE, LOL...
Secondly, your math is off, and I'm going to mention it again...Auburn put 14 points on our defense. 14. We gave up a pick 6 from a freshman quarterback...
They also scored a total of 21, so you aren't even right there, either...
You really might want to take a step back...I know the two actual Crystal Footballs LSU fans have and the six straight victories we have on you is really steaming you right now, and you're really wanting to strut around with your big fancy #2 ranking, but just relax...
Your stats are off, your logic is as lucid as that of a comatose orangutan, and you are really not doing your team or your fanbase-let alone yourself-any favors here by keeping up the sophomoric little retorts...
Lastly, this response WAS NOT directed at you, and you need to get off my jock on this site talking smack to me...Every response I make is not an opportunity for you to take shots directly at me...I'm not here to have you respond to every response I make or make juvenile comments and insults you scrawled all over the urinal stall wall at that truckstop you stopped into on the way to Panama City on Spring Break in '99...
Just save it for the week leading up to our game, thank you very much...
Thought you might like this bit of info....Chaz Ramsey(I know he's your favorite AU player) was given a limited release from AU and may transfer to any D-1 school but nine schools in the SEC. Only Ole Miss and Miss ST in the SEC
Make fun of "the process" all you want, TE.
But if you haven't noticed, it's working. In record time, too.
Oh, wait. I forgot. Alabama hasn't beaten anybody. Georgia was SOOOO overhyped, it's not even funny!
Gosh, I wish I were born an LSU fan....I'm so jealous of their program..........
What was ya'lls record last year to start after what...4 or 5 games? You lost last second last year to UGA in '07, if I remember...Started quite a slide for you all...
I'll admit I'm sure ya'll are sky high after nothing to really talk about other than '99, '01 (Probation year) and '05 in the past 10 years or so...Sort've like us in the late 80's & early 90's...and the end of the Gerry DiNardon't Era...
Nothing like getting that feeling back after you've been brought back to Canaan from the Deserts for what I'm sure seems like 40 years...
BTW-We won a conference title in his 2nd year, as well...We'll see if you guys can finish with 10 wins, an SEC Title, and a BCS Bowl Win over a conference champion, or whether the 2nd year will be a "disappointment" if you're comparing his last start at a Divisional Member of the West :)
Babe, you must excuse the hatred...I'm truly quite the gentleman...The phrase "chivalry isn't dead" truly defines my comportment and typical correspondence, but the 'Bama A on your avatar truly stirs the less congenial aspects of my mind...
In all seriousness...Do you sometimes want to just sort've pop him real lightly in the back of the head when he starts saying, "relative to___, in terms of____" and that sort've thing? He's like an applicant talking on a job interview at times...
Oh, and have you watched his coach's show and heard my ALL TIME FAVORITE-complete with spatial communication with hands and all that, "We got the lead here, and we wanted to shrink the game [moving hands together to clench fingers rapidly back and forth to show you how he wanted to shrink said game] here...Really wanted to SHRINK THE GAME."
That used to make me laugh my @ss off...We'd go up 20-7 in the 3rd quarter over an MSU or Ole Miss or 'Bama (sorry, but its been true for the past decade or so, boo), and I'd turn to my dad in the stands and say, "We're gonna shrink the game here....Time to SHRINK THE GAME, HERE."
Great times...
Guy's a good coach, and I've always said he's going to do well there...Support (both of the above and below board nature) is great, facilities are great as well, and the tradition's there...The question is the guy going to be able to last...He's a contractor...They typically build houses to have them sold off or move on to the next one...They typically don't often build houses to live in them long-term...
The guy is the ultimate architect...No denying his chops in this department...But you need to realize that this program and the AD and even the players were tired of his continually overbearing, micromanaging, constantly laying the screws to everyone mentality...
Derek Dooley is a great young coach at Louisiana Tech that followed him to Miami and then left him, and he & his wife will tell you some INTERESTING stories, as will more than a few folks along his varied stops...
You've got a good thing going there...I really hope you guys find a quarterback and an offensive line in '09, though...This year the sky's the limit, but next year's going to be rough with a True Frosh at QB (Everyone know's AJ's gonna be the man there; Star's not cutting it and everyone knows it).
Let's hope he can stick....Because if he can, 'Bama surely will...
Let me ask you this, do you ever get tired of Les Miles's little accent? Or the way he wears his hat? Or his cockiness? (Okay, I'll stop. I don't want to start the smack talk between Miles and Saban) But you get my point. Yes, Saban says things repeatedly sometimes ("...Aight. ......Aight") , but the things they say aren't why we love them. It's what they make happen on the field.
But anyways, thank you. The quarterback situation will come down to who performs better in the spring and summer camps. I'm from south Alabama, near Mobile and AJ plays for St. Paul's in Mobile. Their team is struggling this year, and I believe the reason his numbers were so high last year was because of the players around him. Two of those were part of recruiting class this past year at Bama and a third was drafted for MLB. So, we will see how all that plays out. I hope AJ can come in and turn heads, but we'll have to see. I'm just focused on the rest of this year, and I hope we continue to play like we have been. Can't wait for that game in Baton Rouge. I will be there, no doubt.
Roll Tide!
Miles, cocky? I have NEVER heard him called that...LOL...
I can tell you this...The accent is a little on the interesting side...ARR-Kansas last year was a little humorous...
What's really hilarious is seeing a straight-laced, no-nonsense guy like him loosen up slowly but surely over his time in Baton Rouge...We're such a laissez-faire place in most respects, and then we are JUST LIKE HIM when it comes to football, LOL...
But, you've seen him kibbitzing on the sidelines with Sean Payton, and courtside at Hornet's playoff games...His family is just awesome...I really think you need to search for the 225 Magazine (Local Baton-Rouge area magazine) article that they wrote on him and his family...Got shots of the guy in folding chairs at the tee ball and coache's pitch games here during the summer, and he does remotes from outside of his daughter's hoops games as well...
He is really and truly the antithesis of Saban from that respect, in that you would NEVER see a Bo Pelini on the sidelines of his daughter's soccer game in Baton Rouge on a Saturday morning before dismantling Virginia Tech Saturday Night...
As I've mentioned before, go ask La Tech's Derek Dooley and his family what they thought of Saban's "work requirements" and how he allowed family in to see the coaches for ONE day a week for a "family lunch" where the assistants had to work while the wives brought dinner into them...
We just have found the perfect fit with the guy...
Now, his hat? I used to think it was silly, but now its a trademark...I get such a kick out of it, and I think he started wearing it like that on PURPOSE once people started mentioning it...
I didn't know you were from the Mobile area...I've got a helluva story about one night where we stayed near there on our way to an Aerosmith Concert in Biloxi...I know what you're thinking...TE, isn't Mobile PAST Biloxi if you're coming from Baton Rouge?
That's why its a helluva story...
The University of South Alabama...Wonderful girls, that University has...
Yeah, I've heard AJ's spent most of his time this year running for his life...You really hate that going into a situation like the one he's going to inherit in '09, because he needs to brush up like any HS QB does...
I've always thought SJJPW was under-rated by your fanbase due to the ineptitude of the previous staff and a dearth of talent surrounding him. Your feller Bammer "I married her for Daddy Warbucks'" future Trustafarian Bleed_Crimson stated prior to the season that if you guys won, it would be IN SPITE OF him, and not because of...
I'm also happy to hear you'll be coming down to Baton Rouge...It's going to be heated, but if both of us can keep it between the lines and roll in undefeated, can you imagine the electricity in the air in Baton Rouge that Friday night & during the day Saturday?
WOW!
Good luck!
Well, just like Saban's "shrinking the game" comments get on your nerves, all of the above things about Miles do the same for me. I'm not saying he's not a good guy, but he sure is annoying on the field and behind the cameras.
That sounds like it would be an interesting story. You'll have to share it sometime. Yeah, I'm from right across the bay from Mobile. I have friends that go to USA.
A large part of our fanbase grew to dislike JPW because of the games he cost us last year. (One may seem familiar in your mind, as a fumble of his led to the difference in winners of last year's LSU-Bama game). Anyways, the majority of us have agreed that if he plays well, everything else goes well - obviously that goes for any team and their quarterback. It's just the fact that he's either on his game, or he's completely off, making mistake after mistake. He definitely showed what he's capable of this past Saturday.
Yes, the game in Red Stick should be a good one. I hope we are both undefeated going into that showdown. I'll be ready for that one!
There's no way I can share that...Not here...
This is a family site...
But, Mejican Beer, lots of women, and my tickets actually fell out of my pocket...
It's a good one...
I feel so bad disliking you as a fan...I really do...It's nice to have a feminine perspective on the site...Just indescribably depressing that it had to be a female perspective from the Capstone Kool-Aiders...
*sighs, audibly*
...the purple kind, too.
The irony is immeasurable when someone who went to an inferior institution attempts to degrade the integrity of a superior one. So, carry on. You make me laugh.
let the school's settle it on the field. Fortunately, that's going to
happen.
Immediately, right after halftime, Saban went to an extremely conservative gameplan. Alabama had zero, yes zero, offensive yardage in the 3rd quarter. In the 4th quarter, Saban allowed for the offense to be opened up again, and Alabama was able to finish off the game. Saban then proceeded to explain how his players did not know how to finish off a game and basically quit. He clearly, is not gonna let his players become full of themselves. I expect that Alabama practices will become even more intense this comming week as Bama gets ready for Kentucky.
Pretty good stuff. Looks to me like Alabama is in real good hands right now. I don't think that Saban is gonna let his hand off the trigger of this thing for even one second. We'll see how it all turns out. I for one, am very impressed with this team, and am not sold on the idea that they could not win every single game. Certainly, I see only one game left that they might be the underdog in. If Saban can keep these guys from thinking to highly of themselves, an 11-1 season minimum, and a BCS Bowl game are sure to follow.
Saban is a master at this sort've thing...Go watch the 4th quarter of the 2003 LSU/Georgia Game, of all things...
He's on the sidelines of a game where we're locked in a Top 10 showdown in a sort've "signature win" game back in '03 when we won it all...
He's yelling and screaming like a RAVING LUNATIC because Travis Daniels (Now with the Dolphins) is not covering correctly...Not that he's not actually playing his responsibility, but Saban is yelling at him over his TECHNIQUE...
Very next play, Georgia goes after him, he's playing the right technique, and Saban cuts a backflip running out to congratulate the kid and to positively reinforce after the negative reinforcement just a play before...
He lives the "Forget the last play," mentality...I admit that the man has a vision, focus, and a work ethic that is simply and utterly unmatched....I just hope Nick has learned that staff continuity was and still seems to be a pretty big hole in his resume. Player development through his S&C staff is going to come, because he copied it from what LSU had in place, right down to hiring Tommy Moffitt's (LSU's S&C Coordinator) clone while he was in Baton Rouge...
But, other than the secondary and some DL related stuff, Saban staff's had lots of turnover and did not do a good job at individual position-by-position player development. In terms of making an offensive lineman more complete. Or teaching a wideout how to run better routes, etc...
He can inspire and motivate, and instill toughness and dedication, but outside of defensive secondary teaching-where he's great-you don't see a lot of individual position player development out of most of his staff's because position player coach's are a dime-a-dozen to Saban...Most come in as up-and-comers and spend a "two year sentence" (as one of your current staff referred to it as), and then left to go coordinate somewhere after putting it on their resume...
But, long-term, the guy has to develop a consistent chemistry amongst his coaches...You need that as a staff to truly instill a program and a core belief system in your program...
I was wondering if there was even one bright guy down there who would notice that this was taking place. I sat watchin' the game with two rednecks from Bama - who were scared out of their minds during the 3rd & 4th quarters. They actually thought that Georgia was really mounting a comeback. I had to assure them that Saban was not letting his team play. I've seen Carroll stop games in the 3rd quarter on many an occasion. This isn't anything new.
I honestly believe, that once he saw how easy this was gonna be, that he had to make sure that these guys didn't win the game by too many points. I know that our friends from Georgia will not like the synopsis. We had to lay off Nebraska a couple of times a couple years back also. Sometimes, games just go like this. We got jumped all over by Oregon State from the outset. They did the same thing back in 06'. We clearly let all the press get to our guys last week - and I don't think Saban wants any of that. Problem is: they're already at # 2 - and that is certainly high enough to get the swollen head. I believe that Saban is now gonna have to deal with the most difficult part of coaching. That is gonna be trying to keep a very good football team focused - week in and week out. Welcome to the Big Time......
"If you win in the trenchs you win up front." Thats the truth, and what I beleive seperates great teams from good teams.
In the Third Quater it was up to Bama to take the ball and run it. To get four yards everydown and run time off the clock. The team had a let down. It didnot do what they were suppose to do to finish the game. Yes, the offense attack was down graded to simple down hill running. But, even with that Saban wants execution. It's not that he was thinking deeply to intentional allow Georgia some points. Saban wants a full game. To do the right thing on every play. Come on, hes not going to try to bloody bama's nose just to bit#$ at them.
Regardless of how long the coaching staff is in Tusscaloosa, Saban will find coachs that fit into his gameplan and teach the dedicataion and toughness it takes to win.
I don't beleive that Clayton, Green, or Bowe was every held back from becoming good route runners beacause of a like of skill postion coaching.
Coaching is there, Execution of the Coaching is what he wants.
I know I have...and you really don't want to hear their answer...
Hell, that dumbass sat Green ON THE BENCH because he "wasn't a good route runner"...Are you serious? SERIOUSLY?
Also, your offensive line has decent talent to begin with, and with the S&C, bigger and stronger up front is honestly something that can cover up for good technique...
Just ask us...Stacy Searles was a TERRIBLE OL Coach, though he's a great recruiter. Look at UGA's OL...They have no continuity due to attrition, but its a HALLMARK of his units that they never settle into a groove until later in the season. He has some philosophical differences about blocking schemes from what most coaches feel, as well, and that's something that I think will hurt UGA in pass pro & run blocking...Sure seemed to Saturday...
But, Saban kept the guy around because we had the S&C program to hide the technique issues, and also because he could recruit lights out...
Oh, and don't think for an INSTANT he wouldn't let Alabama bloody its own nose to spite the team and give them something to review on film.
He did it LEGENDARILY at LSU all the time...We'd have jumped out 20-7 in the 1st quarter, and we'd 27-17, because he pulls the plug and goes run/run/pass...TOTALLY AND COMPLETELY...He turns it over to the defense...
You guys better get used to that...I warned you when you hired him...
It seems your missing key concepts to the games.
Have you watched Bama's line this year?
The first thing you would have noticed since your the OZ of techniques and postion coaching....
leverage..... Bama is low driving off the ball. Ive seen it week to week.
There is no doubt that is the most important fundmental technique in football is to lower your pad level and come off hard.
I guess you don't understand what it takes to run a down hill running attack. or what it takes to create cutback lanes.
Maybe you should find out the diff in zone blocking schemes, and what I have always called step on kick out schemes.
You need to start watching the four yard runs. And notice bama's leveage.
I hate to sit here and defend Alabama from a attack of words that have no actuall proof other than what you thought happened when he was at LSU.
While your learning what leverage you will see that Alabama is fundementally sound threw the first 5 games. (Besides Davis at Tulane, and Boswell at tulane) which the line was shuffled up and you can really tell.
Check it out this next week and come here with some actual football knoweldge instead what you think about Saban.
You mean to tell me that if you don't come off the line of scrimmage hard on offense, you might not do well running the ball?
Or that leverage plays a part in good OL play?
You're KIDDING ME!
I just thought that Herman Johnson & Ciron Black just yelled "BOO" after Lee yelled "HIKE", and that it scared the Defensive Lineman so that they all ran out of the way...
First off, I said it was a hallmark of his teams NOT to develop, but that on OL & DL, I've mentioned elsewhere here that brute strength will oftentimes COVER UP those technical aspects of line blocking because you're able to mask it with strength off the ball and at the point of attack...I don't have time to defend myself from someone who doesn't read all of my posts, but I've mentioned S&C over and over and over again as vital parts of this philosophy, so I'm not going to go into it again just to satisfy you as far as my football chops go...
I also mentioned an offensive line coach in specific that was not a good technique coach that coached for him at LSU as an example of how he will put recruiting over technique and player development in terms of a position coach...One that doesn't coach at Alabama, either...Which means I wasn't talking about Alabama in specific, but just a hallmark of his program that you as a fanbase need to hope he's learned to correct.
Oh, and BTW-He's coaching Shula's Offensive Line recruits, not his own...
Check out the rest of the site and do yourself a favor and don't bother responding with "Master Of The Obvious" posts to discredit me, please...
LOL...Who knew pad level and firing off the ball had ANYTHING to do with offensive line play!
SHOCKING, I tell you...
Im just a blunt football guy,
The whole idea of real football gets lost in all of these posts
I hear bull that would never be said or thought of on a actual football field,
I have to stay away from the posts because im afraid the stink will rube off on me
I don't want to give a ole moto stallings speech but football is alot more simpler than you and the rest of these lunatic fans think
i have to be a smart a$$ because the obvious is not enough for you to accept
I'd like to say that I am not afforded the opportunity to catch up with you guys as much as I'd like. I am overseas so I am on a different timezone and can't communicate at the same time, but I have some thoughts:
First of all the most impressive thing about Alabama this year has been the offensive line play. Of course Saban inherited the line but difference is the tenancy in which they play. Caldwell and Dre Smith will play on Sunday and 1 of 2 if not both of them will be Pro-bowlers. The difference however in this year and last year is UNBELIEVABLE! The O-Line is dominating people and I give Saban the credit for that so he is doing that right.
I buy the "slowdown" theory and yes Bama has Sophs and Freshmen running around at LB and he has to protect these guys. There are no other folks left to play behind them, run them to death is his only option. Aub and LSU are going wish they were running sprints with Saban instead of chasing the likes of Tate/Lester and Lafell/Byrd. Yeah he has to protect his guys to that degree.
I am a die-hard Alabama fan and I am old enough to remember the glory days in T-Town (houndstooth). I have tempered my enthusiasim about this year because Alabama has a couple of years yet before they are truly back.
TT, I'd like offer you this. USC has without question the best program in college football right now but if your the "professor" as you claim to be don't forget that Alabama has a helluva lot tradition in their program maybe as much as anyone out there.
I hope we can keep a docile conversation and of course I can't always promise that I'll be here as much. I am several hours away but love the conversation.
Thanks
BAMALODI
Are you guys at all concerned about 2009? You lose a lot on the OL, and you have Star Jackson, AJ Macarron, who was allegedly just told that if he guaranteed Saban he wouldn't sign pro in the MLB amateur draft, they wouldn't recruit anymore QB's...
That was after AJ made Saban promise he'd be a 4 year starter at QB...
You may not believe this-heck, it doesn't even sound like Saban to me, either-but, does it bother you that as you're stockpiling all this talent, a sub-par Star (Who a lot of folks are saying is not cutting the mustard) and an 18 year old are going to be at the helm next year?
We'll take it even further. Let's consider the SEC in general. What's it all about? DEFENSE! Bama's up 31-0. Picture you being the coach. What are we gonna do in the 2nd half of this game? We're gonna practice DEFENSE and STAMINA. Why? Simple. LSU and AUBURN. They're coming. So, Saban completely pulls the plug on the offense. What would a normal offense have done in the 3rd quarter? It's easy. Bring Ingram in and let him grind that Georgia defense into nothingness. What purpose would that have served the defense? Absolutely nothing. The defense needed to be tested hard.
Did you see how tired that defense became? They had they're tongues hangin' out of their mouths for the entire 2nd half. Saban showed no mercy on them either. Why? Because LSU isn't gonna show any mercy on them either. What's the problem? Lack of depth. What will LSU exploit? Lack of depth. Why did Bama's defense have to stay on the field the whole 2nd half? CONDITIONING! Playing the game, completely dead tired, and no reserves to help you. That's the way the game is gonna go against LSU. And, if you don't think that Saban wants LSU more than any other thing, you underestimate what this guy is all about. I think that he'd rather beat LSU than win a National Championship this year. That's the goal.
That being said. The defensive line was dog tired and could not put any pressure at all on Stafford in the 2nd half. The secondary had to work. Great news was, they did a fantastic job in coverage, without any pressure on the QB. I'm sure, and he would never admit it, that Saban had to be pleased with the secondary in this one. Saban took advantage of the fact, that you don't get too many opportunities, to test your defense against a QB like Matt Stafford during the course of a season. Who knows - you may end up playing against a Tebow, Bradford or Sanchez later on. It really wasn't too bad of an idea.
GO DAWGS
I thought in 2004 he had learned up pretty good, Then he got that 45 to 16 beaten in Athens and high tailed it to the "Not For Long" League. We've given him worse beatings than he gave us Saturday. He's a good coach but he's not the only good one in this conference. Last five years LSU's won the SEC twice, Fl's won the SEC once, and we've won twice. The difference is Fl and LSU had the opportunity to play for the National Championship. We didn't get that opportunity.
Wreck em'!
Adios Tomcat
Hookem-Horns
Sicem-Bears
Falling out of top 10, and having enough quality opponents left on your schedule to be able to work your way back in to the NC game (...UGA, LSU, UK, Vandy, FSU, SEC champ...).
...yessir...still keep'n the faith!
GO GATORS!!
...our swamp away from the Swamp!
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There you go again. No matter what the circumstance - the only thing to do is take a shot at USC. It's incredible. I haven't said one word about the Mississippi loss. I'll only say this. Florida, after having had zero turnovers prior to this game, had three and Mississippi took advantage of that. Florida severly outgained Mississippi and only lost the game by a blocked extra point. Florida, Georgia and USC all fell too far in the polls. It was a fluke loss - and that's all it was for Florida. These things happen when too many TO's happen in the same game. I'm sure that anytime Florida doesn't have the TO's - they'll revert back to being their same ol' powerful selfs. This loss does not hurt Florida at all - for now.
Sound familiar?
GO GATORS!!
It's a "fluke loss" when Southern Cal still owns the best overall record of every Division I school, over the last seven years. It means that they have lost "less" games than any other team in that time frame. Even in the last three years it's only been five losses, all to inferior teams, that they should have beaten. It's a fluke loss. Now, if they were losing around half of their games every year - you might be able to call it a "routine loss".
USC's record against Big 12 since 1964:
Oklahoma (6-1-1), Texas Tech (3-0), Texas A&M (2-0), Texas (2-1), Baylor (2-1).
Nebraska (3-0-1), Colorado (3-0), Missouri (1-1), Kansas (0-1), Kansas State (0-2).
Notice anything, genius? Yes, that's right - (22-7-2) overall record against your conference. But, here's what is really amazing: (3-5) against Baylor, Missouri, Kansas and Kansas State (four of the historically weakest teams in your conference). That means: (19-2-2) against all of the best teams from your conference. Guess what, bright boy? We'd have exactly the same scenario in the Big 12 as we see in the PAC 10. We'd still beat the crap outta all your best teams - and lose one once in awhile to one of the worst. That's all. Do some research. Get some facts. Pull your head securely out of your rectum.
My bad. I thought that this madmike25 clown was a Big 12 kinda guy. Come to find out he's a WAC kinda guy - hence madmike, get it? WAC'd out? Boise State fan. Probably thinks that the Trojans aren't as deserving as his poor pitiful team is. I did point out that Boise is recently 2-9 against the PAC. And, two of their most famous recent defeats were at the hands of Oregon State. How interesting is that? Talk about pure uneducated smack-talk comin' from a guy who has only one decent victory in the history of his school - and got very lucky to get that one. Too bad you guys fell asleep on that day - or this clown would have no smack to talk of ever. This guy ought to be praising the Sooners - as they are the only ones that have ever kept him alive.
I promised TE that I would be alot more eloquent in my beatdowns of other idiots, like myself, and so I'm trying really hard not to dis the clown.
It's just too bad, but I really don't have the time right now, to properly educate you about college football. I'm kinda stuck for time - as I have to head out to my anger management class. Seems as if some guy let his dog crap on my lawn - so I had to put him in the hospital. The cops somehow thought that I was in the wrong. Can you believe that? Anyway, the court seems to think that I might have some issues. I don't remember that my dad ever abused me. I was always able to kick his butt.
Fact is: all Boise State gets in recruiting is the PAC 10 leftovers. Recruiting is the thing - Bronco fan. Year in and year out - the PAC 10 always gets all of the best players on the left coast. The WAC gets all of the table scraps. That's the way it has been forever and will continue on so - forever. If you don't understand that - then you cannot be reeducated. Your a lost cause.
USC also owns a 10-1 record against all teams in the WAC conference from 1984 onward. Gee, I don't know if we could ever be as good as Boise State is in the WAC - but it would be interesting to find out. Oh, the one loss was to a (9-4) Fresno State team way back in 1992. Maybe the next thing that I'll do is to list your record against Fresno going back forever. Bet it won't be as good as ours is. Want to bet?
And this year the MWC looks comparitive with the PAC 9, other than USC.
Well, since the inception of the "BCS era" beginning in 1998 thru 2007, the current MWC alignment owns a 24-46 record against the PAC 10. The PAC has a 42-20 record against the MWC over that same period of time. The discrepency in the numbers lies in the realignment of the MWC (notably adding TCU for instance). Nevertheless, this is a far superior record than the WAC conference owns against the PAC 10. These numbers don't include this year - where the MWC owns a slight edge.
One of my great arguments is that the PAC does play MWC opponents rather than Sunbelt foes. This helps the PAC establish a much higher SOS than their friends from the SEC have. Most people don't understand this phenomenom. The PAC teams usually lead the NCAA in the SOS catagory. Along with playing all of the PAC teams every year (an extra BCS game if you will), the games played against the MWC, all help to increase the SOS of the PAC 10 conference. Even as we speak, and most people don't understand this, Oregon State has played the 3rd hardest schedule and USC is currently at 7th.
A great mistake that Southern Cal made this year was in the scheduling of Virginia. That team will take the place of Duke as the ACC doormat this year. We would have been much better served to have scheduled one of our traditional MWC foes such as BYU or Utah. We may come to regret that we did not - especially if one of these teams goes unbeaten.
Yes, in 2001 Utah (8-4) came away with a good win over Southern Cal (6-6), in the Las Vegas bowl. I was surprised at the time, as we were showing improvment, but not shocked. What was most surprising is that Utah didn't have a good year in 2002. I thought they might springboard that win into the following year - but it didn't happen. I will say that I am glad that we didn't have to catch you guys in 2004, and it was a darn shame for Utah, as that was a really good team that you had there. But, I'll take that win over Oklahoma, and not feel too bad that the Utes did not get their shot.
That post wasn't really intended as a shot at the Trojans--not even the USCw part--I was just using that as a platform for the remainder of the post. Yes it would be nice to still be in the top 10 like USC; however, what I'm saying isn't too far off (basically the same) you stated in another thread--I like UF"s position better than USC's, in terms of control of our destiny--in other words, if both USC and UF win out, we have a much better shot at the NC than USC.
As for why USC? C'mon--you can't deny the similarity in what happened to both shcools--we both lost to unranked conference opponents, whom we were expected to roll.
USC has the mitigating factors that it was away, on Thurs night--which is notorious for homedog surprises. Our mitigation as it were, is looking towards the future, and seeing that we largely control our destiny...but that's a double edged sword--we could just as easily lose any (possibly even every) one of those games I listed.
I guess it goes to that whole "glass empty/full" thing....
....our half-empty cup runneth over through these orange and blue tainted lenses!
GO GATORS!!
Yes, Florida moreso controls it's own destiny. Any SEC team does. Your loss means nothing. Ours, because of the weak PAC this year, is a little more severe. I think that since our loss was on the road and Georgia and Florida lost at home, plus the fact that USC is something called "a media darling" (only so they can be hated by SEC fans), is what has propelled USC to the top ranking of one-loss teams. Florida and Georgia both will have better opportunities to rise in the rankings than USC will have. BTW, Mississippi is a very much improved team this year. They are not quite the doormats that they have been recently. The loss is not that demoralizing. I'll bet that Arkansas might be regretting that they let "the Nutt" go. I don't view this as a terrible loss for Florida. I don't see the Oregon State loss as so terrible either - as Oregon State will usually finish up with at least an 8-4 record. It would not surprise me to see Mississippi in a Bowl game somewhere this year. They are much improved.
Now here's my question does this sound like a top ten team too you? Just a question not a judgement.
Personally, I don't just look at what has happened in the 1st few weeks of a season. I try and think about how it's all gonna play out. Anything that I would ever surmise, is based on a body of work, and not just a piece of it. When I rate teams - I always imagine what the final ranking is going to look like. I do this because I bet football games. The key to doing this successfully is to know who is gonna be really good. Your not betting on what happened last week - your betting on what is gonna happen in the future. It's just the way that I view everything. I make some pretty obnoxious statements, compared to what is happening today, but I am usually right there near the end of the season. I think that maybe you can agree with that.
I'll take your criteria out some. Not only did USC pound an awful Virginia team (nobody knew exactly how bad that team was really gonna be), they were able to beat an Ohio State team, that played pretty poorly against a Troy State team. That same Troy State team was blasted by Oklahoma State last weekend. So, it would appear as if even Oklahoma State is a better football team than Ohio State is. So, based on only current information, USC does not appear to be a Top Ten team.
But, and here is the disclaimer, all teams lose players from the previous year and have to come together into a cohesive football unit. Many people would prefer (I being one of them) to look at a teams potential. I have lots of problems with people who don't understand this concept. Because, I can guarantee you that several of the Top Ten teams, will not be there at season's end. Their spots will have been taken by other teams that close out the season strong.
Who are those teams? If you had that "crystal ball" - you would stand to make alot of money. I see Southern Cal as losing no more than two games, ending up at no less than 11-2, and blasting another team in a BCS bowl game. That's more like Top Five rather than Top Ten. How do I view Auburn? I think that I'm looking at the very best defense in the country. I can't even imagine my team scoring twenty points on this team. I know that LSU did - but Auburn played them real tough. I am not too impressed with the offense. If I took the "body of evidence": a one-point win over Miss St, two points over Tennessee and a five point loss to LSU - maybe they are not a Top Ten team. But, this team stands as good a chance of beating Alabama as anybody does. It's not out of the question that Auburn finishes out at 10-2 and wins another bowl game. Are they Top Ten then? Yes, they are. So, with Auburn, I am sure that the offense is going to improve over the next several games. What is Auburn gonna be like if that happens? Very, very, good. Do I think that Auburn is better than Texas Tech? Yes. Do I think they are better than South Florida? Yes. Do I think that BYU scores even twenty on Auburn? No I don't.
So, bottom line is that I can somehow see Auburn as a Top Ten team, just as easily as I can see Southern Cal. Again, I am looking at what the future will bring, not what happened yesterday. Hope that helps you out some.
Now from my perpective AU is no where near a Top 10 or 20 team. And I did try to look at USC whole body of work and from my perpective they are a potentially great team but just haven't showed up yet. Even in their win over tOSU I was not that impressed as Mark S. had four TD's but only 170 yards passing(I think).
And sense the perception of the Pac 10 as being down this year is in play what happens to the Trojans if they lose another game to say Arizona. Then what will these "media darlings" do?
Oh and FYI it's WEF......WEA is the other guy.
Sorry bout that. Was thinkin' you were our guy from Atlanta. Sanchez had about over 220+, for sure, against Ohio State. He is known to throw more picks, at the wrong time, than JD Booty was to. Arizona is probably gonna end up being a pretty decent PAC 10 team this year. With a win over Southern Cal, and it is possible, they could win the conference championship. Should that scenario happen - USC will not play in a BCS bowl game. A two-loss Southern Cal would probably win the conference. But, it's a matter of who they lose to. Last year we were fortunate that Dennis Dixon went down at Oregon - and they lost the last four games. We got lucky, because we had lost to Oregon, to get that PAC championship. I'd say that Oregon and Arizona stand the best chance of giving us another loss. Those are the two teams that might stand the best chance of taking the conference if they do. Don't count Oregon State out either. They already control their own destiny.
ACRONYM ENCROACHMENT: ON THE NEW GUY. FIVE YARD PENALTY, REPEAT 1ST DOWN...
You clearly are insane. Since 1996 thru 2007, Boise State has sported an impressive 2-9 record, against the PAC 10. Your three most sterling performances are:
2007 lost to Washington (4-9) 10-24
2005 lost to Oregon State (5-6) 27-30
2003 lost to Oregon State (8-5) 24-26
What are you talking trash about? Do you need for me to bring out our record against WAC teams compared to yours? Do you really want to see that next? Why don't you concentrate on tryin' to beat down some Idaho fans or something. Your BS isn't gonna fly here.
Personally, I kinda like the "real-life inflatable barbie" with the bitchin' and naggin' pull string. Makes her almost life-like.
Your talkin' trash when your own dayum team can't seem to beat Oregon State, either, on a consistent basis. I know you've won two. So your 2-2 against Oregon State. So, that tells me, that the PAC's 5th best team would probably rival BS (fitting abbreviation BTW) for the WAC conference championship each year. I know that Oregon State has also completely hammered Fresno State in the past few years, also. I pointed out your 2-9 record against all PAC 10 teams. What is it that you don't understand? Boise State would probably be about 3-6 in the PAC 10 conference every year. Where have you earned the right to talk smack? That's my question to you. Show me your credentials.
What do you mean that "your not making this stuff up"? They are. Like, duh? I wouldn't have a clue, Michael. I believe everything that they tell me on TV. Man, I so believe that we "need to bail out the financial institutions or Kansas isn't gonna be here anymore". So, your whole rhetoric stems from some TV program that you watched? You actually drank the kool-aide? I don't know how I could have figured you any other way though. Oh, I know. I must have assumed that you were somewhere up around the Northern part of the state with some of the rest of my kin. So, quite the naive one, I must have thought that you formulated your own opinions. But, I can clearly see that you reside in the "diversified" suburbs of Boise itself.
Just so you know: Jeff Sagarin still has USC ranked # 1 in "the predictor" - about four points better than Oklahoma. Meanwhile, the LVSC, has Southern Cal at # 2 - only 0.7 points behind Oklahoma. These are the only opinions that really matter. Some talking eggplants at ESPN were put there only for people just like you. The rest of us are stuck with having to study the game.
One more little stat for you to chew over: since the BCS era began in 1998, the current WAC conference teams, own a whopping 18-75 record against the PAC 10 conference. I can clearly see now, why the USC Trojans should just quit the PAC 10, and go and play in a real conference like the WAC. Clearly, the PAC is nothing compared with the mighty WAC conference.
Why then wouldn't you say, "Why doesn't USC join the SEC"? You know why. Because it isn't even possible. So, why make such a dim-witted justification for such an absurd statement? Fact is: your team cannot beat a Pac 10 team - yet you make the ridiculous assumption that you are BCS bound. Why should you be BCS bound? Because you might get lucky and beat Fresno State on the blue carpet?
On the subject of the blue carpet: it is without question the most unfair advantage in all of college football. It is the most blatant form of cheating that there ever could be. Your silly little team has to wear almost all blue uniforms - so that they blend into this field like they were invisible of something. It makes it almost impossible for the QB on the opposing team to see the defenders. Can you imagine having to play Fresno on an all red carpet? Maybe if you guyz had changed your pants to white - it wouldn't appear so much to be an outright attempt at cheating the other teams. Personally, I think that the blue carpet should be outlawed. And, I think that the Oregon Ducks should not be able to wear all green while they are playing at Autzen either - or anywhere else for that matter. It creates an unfair advantage for the DB's in any game.
Your arguments are weak. Your wearin' down, son. Your now gonna proceed to tell me that you have a life. This is the sound of a dying man - just prior to passing over to the other side. You can't defend your misled assumptions - so your now gonna resort to attacking me personally. You know, it might just be a little easier, just to have a look at the facts - and admit where you were wrong at. Certainly if you did not know that Boise was 2-9 against the PAC 10, then your misunderstanding about how weak the PAC 10 really wasn't, could more easily be tolerated. Other than that, I guess you'll just have to limp away with your tail between your knees, and go on home and pretend that you have a life.
Wreck em'!