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That's alright...If we win, all of that won't matter.
Hey, you doin the Pick 'Em contest on Yahoo? There's somebody listed as LSU and I was wondering if that was you.
Geaux Tigers
Geaux SEC
Hookem-Horns
I repeat: Watch out for PSU...
BYU and UTah will be exposed but perhaps not until thier bowl game (Sorry, Ben)...
Gates are still too high and should be ranked below Vandy...
But, what the hell...We benefited from some crazy shenanigans last year in the rankings...
I keep the last three Wake/Nole contests in the DVR hopper to remind me how bad it could be...
1) Oklahoma
2) Louisiana State
3) Missouri
4) Texas
5) Alabama
I was wrong!
was it the BIG (2 points) win over Auburn (lost to Vandy)??
was it the struggle with Miss. St.??
what happened in past seasons?
i dont get it.
at least alabama blew out georgia at home. and thats way more impressive than anything LSUs done at this point.
We won over Auburn 26-21...
...and don't take things for granted, BC...It would be really interesting to pull out your posts should Alabama make a return to form and tank the 2nd half of the season...
We get love because we have PROVEN we are a team to be reckoned with...
That's why the offshore books already started us off at -6 at Florida this week, & that's why the on-shore books have already moved us to a -4...
We bring it week in-week out...
We also score multiple offensive touchdowns on the road, something your team couldn't muster this past week...
6 possessions in the 3rd quarter, and ZERO points to show for it Saturday...
Which means you haven't scored in the 3rd quarter in two straight games...Now, UGA was an alright excuse...but Kentucky? You should've pounded them...
Trust me, BC, the big leather couch at Daddy Warbucks' house where you sat and watched the CBS HD broadcast with Punjab and Pappy Pension-Funder pinched a tad bit more than a little when Coffee coughed up Nick Saban's football at the 2, only to have it dribble its way harmlessly out of bounds...
Had UK had anything more than a horrible quarterback, your team was in sincere trouble, throughout, and gave up late points-AGAIN in the 2nd half.
Seems familiar?
Hmmm...2nd half failure...lack of focus...underwhelming and playing down to your opponent...Not able to put together a 4 quarter performance...
Sounds like the #2 team in America to me, LOL...
I'm not worrying with you anymore this week...As my team has more important goals at this point, and I'm sure your team and even you, BC, would also agree.
We have a ways to go until November, and I will be sincerely impressed if my team is undefeated by that time. Our starting quarterback will be facing his first road start in a terrible environment, in a place where our opponent hasn't lost back-to-back games in forever...
Looking any further beyond that is counterproductive, but...
Enjoy that #2 ranking, BC...Better hope your grip is nice and tight...
----just for the record...does anyone on this site honestly believe, regardless of team affiliation, realisticly that a Nick-Saban coached team will win in Tiger Stadium (he is 0-1 there with the Dolphins post-Katrina)
I can't believe that we could agree on anything. But, I might just be able to see this poll you've constructed. Alabama should drop after a very less than impressive win over Kentucky. In fact - they played well enough to lose. LSU is the defending champ in the SEC and should stay that way until somebody beats them. Besides, they have Alabama at home this year. I might put Texas over Missouri even. But, your close enough. What happened? You run outta crack tonight?
While winning and losing are the dominant factor, the results vs spread are a factor in the polls. Other effects exist between these, like various biases present in the system.
1) Oklahoma
2)Missouri
3)Alabama
4) Texas
5) LSU
though they are my team, i see that we havent been tested so far
the tide never trailed and it was just one of those BS games.
some very biased officiating (alabama was the least penalized team in the SEC through 5 games, yet gets 100 yards in penalties? what changed? the refs)
2 missed FGs, a fumble on UKs 5 yd line, and 2 30 yd. + pass plays called back on one of the aforementioned BS calls.
if the score showed the game, it wouldve been at least a 16 point win, but oh well.
at least we beat Kentucky right TE??
Alabama beat Kentucky and they might still win the SEC.
LSU lost to Kentucky in overtime, and they won a national title.
Keep on trying, BC...Your team might get to that plateau, someday....
Let's just wait and see Gentleman.
destiny approches, and W's keep coming.
Alabama makes a strong case for #2, by replacing Georgia as top ranked SEC team
As long as both of the West's best are in the Top 5, there is nothing to fear.
Other than the big ole letter L.
So Bama fans, should just sit, wait, and shut-up. And pray we play better than we did against Kentucky (even if the score is not a good assesment of the game).
GO GATORS!!
BYU looks like the real deal.
BCS bowls could get interesting, but if they play a Big East or ACC team they will not be exposed. Against a #2 SEC or Big 12 team could be interesting.
I suppose the possibility that Penn State goes to the title game and the Big 10 does not have a second team eligible should be considered. Utah or BYU vs the PAC 10 champion in the Rose Bowl could be interesting.
You can't be serious about the part "could be interesting" - could you? I guess that it could be - but not real likely. The Pac 10 Champ would normally smack both of those teams around pretty good. I can give you some pretty good examples of that.
These are the MWC signiture games for 2008:
BYU 28 Washington 27
Utah 25 Michigan 23
Utah 31 Oregon State 28
Oklahoma 35 TCU 10
Now, I'm only taking games of your top three teams. What has BYU really done? Do you understand that both Oregon and Arizona have actually blasted Washington? Is the UCLA game really a "Big Win"? These are teams that are on the bottom of the PAC. Utah's wins were okay. But, is Michigan really any good at all? Isn't Oregon State the traditional 4th best team in the PAC? TCU played a really good National contender. What happened? They were smoked.
So, I really fail to understand what has made the MWC so great this year? I just can't seem to see it. Is it because Arizona and Arizona State got upset? Does that make BYU, Utah and TCU any better than they really are? It hasn't been anybody in the MWC who has been leading the country in recruiting for the last several years. That distinction belongs to Southern Cal. Now, if USC has been blasting MWC teams since the stoneage, what is it that makes you think it's gonna be any different now? Have you outrecruited us? Have you found a better "Big Game Coach" than Pete Carroll? What specifically is it that is gonna allow for any of your Top Three teams to stay on the field with USC - should that opportunity be presented to you? Give me some specifics.
Utah can hold Rogers to 101 yards rushing. We can hold Air Force's triple option to 58 yards rushing.
Both of these teams are deep in maturity thanks to the added year or two to the average age of their players due to a large proportion serving two year LDS missions before playing. This helps tremendously in team leadership and discipline.
You are the king of conference records for comparison. It is your base ammo in all discussions, especially with the SEC fans. Why be biased when it comes to comparing the MWC to the PAC 10? What part of 6-1 do you not understand? Maybe how CSU could drop one to California?
Is Michigan looking any worse than Ohio State? Does Virginia have anything on Air Force? UNLV?
I will give you that beating Oregon was good, except for their loss to Boise State.
At least we won against Oregon State. USC's hubris is their greatest weakness.
PSU is taking Ohio States place in their annual "raping by an SEC team for the national title" game. I spent the entire 90's watching Penn State be way over-ranked with their cupcake schedule -- nice to see we have come full circle. That conference = WAC
Now onto the the team who is going to the national championship.......Mizzou showed on Saturday why they have the best offense in the nation, and a rather impressive D as well. From the way it seems if the National Title was today I would like to see Missouri v. Penn State. Just anybody besides OU, USC, UF, LSU, or Ohio St. I think most would agree that we all want to see a different team from usual win for once. Wasn't the expansion of the conferences and the creation of the BCS suppose to open doors to more competition? So far I am sick of having to watch USC or Ohio St in the national title every year, or watching OU choke every year. Let's make this season interesting!
Oh, and about FSU, maybe 2 FCS teams and a loss to WF are a part of the reason.
I disagree. If it's Missouri and Penn State - I'll make sure that I don't watch it. I would like to see the best two teams play - period. You claim that Missouri just showed that they have the best offense in the land (against the worst defense in the land last year) against a very poor defense. Nobody in the Big 12 plays any defense - except for maybe Oklahoma and Texas. Still, the Big 12 defenses overall are a real joke. The Big 12 plays football exactly the way the Pac 10 used to play - all offense and no defense. Right now the Big 12 has plenty of real good passing QB's. This wears your own teams defenses out - as your own offense is not on the field enough. By season's end - all of these defenses will be worn down to the bone. Any team will be able to score at will by that time. We'll see how Missouri can do against some teams that understand how to cover receivers. Nebraska is not one of those teams. I'm not quite sold yet.
Im sure you won't watch PSU v. Mizzou because it won't have your beloved Trojans. Either way millions of people will, whats one more person that FOX loses?
But my main point was I want to see something different for once. I think it would be great to see Penn St. in what could be Joe Pa's last year make it to the National Title game and play shut down D that tops Heisman trophy winner Chase Daniels and the all powerful Mizzou Offense. Thats a great story besides the usual "Wow USC wins again" or "This just once again proves OU can't win BCS games" or "It's true (like we have for 5 years) the SEC is the best conference in America" or my personal favorite "Ohio St. once again has to suffer a loss at the hands of an SEC team in the National Title game." Im tired of predictable football, and im tired of seeing the same 4-6 teams every year play for the prize, it gets old, just like watching New England win the Super Bowl got old. , no matter how good, it gets old.....fast.
WEA, my condolences on the Vandy loss. They look like the team to beat in the East.
I can understand wanting to see somebody different: it's just that you should want to see the two best teams. Now, I know that Missouri looks real good right now, but they still have some tough games to get through. And, they'll have to win the Big 12 to get into the game. It's a tall order. I've seen Penn State play - and I'm really not too impressed. I know that they are better than they were last year - but I'm not too sure that they would stop Missouri either. I just haven't seen enough of Penn State against good teams yet. I'm not sold on either of these two teams. My Trojans have nothing to do with it right now. I'm more inclined to think that Oklahoma and either LSU or Alabama might be the game. I know that whoever comes out of the SEC with only a loss - probably deserves to play in the game. Anybody else might have to be unbeaten.
You may be right about Penn State not playing well, or that Mizzou will wear down. But looking at the schedule and looking at the talent, it is not beyond the realm of possibility that Mizzou and Penn St. could play. It not beyond that same realm that LSU, Bama, OU, and USC could play in the national title, any one of them. But based on schedule Penn St. could make it without a single problem, so could Mizzou, there only threat is OU in the Big 12 title game, Penn St. has OSU, thats it and the way the Buckeyes are playing and the way Penn St D is playing.........think of it like that.
I know everyone loves to kick the Trojans when they fall, but come on, don't be tacky. Unless you're the team who beats them, it's just lame. Are any of these hard feelings related to the 2004 NC game?
Or maybe he won't talk to you no more. You might even make it onto "the list". Don't piss him off!
I could care less if USC lost to Oregon State. What does that have to do with the BIG 12? Don't tell me that most of those teams play any defense - they don't. And, neither do most of the teams in the PAC 10 either. The fact is: it's not really impressive that Missouri got 52 on Nebraska. Who doesn't? Didn't Kansas roll 70 on them last year? Nebraska had almost the worst defense in Division I last year - that's why Callahan was canned. You know all of this anyway. You just had to get your shot in at the Trojans. That's okay. I'm gonna be there for you when you lose to Colorado or Iowa State or the Cowboys. Oklahoma is just as notorious as USC is when it comes to losing to crappy teams.
My gripe is that I don't really wanna watch another Big 10 team in the MNC game. I don't mind if it's Missouri. But please - not another Big 10 team. One thing about Penn State though - they do win their bowl games. But, really, it's been established lately that the Big 10 has been overmatched in the Title games. And, I'm not bitter about USC's loss. I've stated all along that we'll lose at least one. We didn't go in the last two years - and I watched those two games just fine. I'd probably have to even watch Missouri/Penn State if that was all that was on. But, if a rerun of "the Simpson's" was on at the same time, I'd probably rather watch that.
Furthermore, as of today, these are the "official NCAA stats" pertaining to total defense:
Arizona 226.2 ypg - 2nd
USC 244.0 ypg - 4th
California 290.0 ypg - 25th
Oregon State 323.2 ypg - 40th
Arizona State 324.8 ypg - 42nd
Oklahoma 256.2 ypg - 11th
Texas 295.8 ypg - 28th
Kansas 322.8 ypg - 38th
I think that even you might be able to see, that the teams at the top of the PAC, play better defense than the teams at the top of the Big 12 (only by the numbers). Now, certainly, the Big 12 would also lead in "Total offense". Does that make it harder for defenses to defend them? Yes. But the fact is: most of these stats have been accrued against OOC foes. We'll know alot more as the year goes on. But for now, it is very clear, that even the top teams in the Big 12 do not play that great of defense.
Combined Big 12 Points allowed per game: 19.1
Combined Pac-10 Points allowed per game: 26.3
Defense much? And lets not forget that WAZU and The Huskies are allowing the most points in the nation, 40 and 44 respectively.
And the Pac-10 is down this year, so I'm not arguing anything about the Pac 10. Don't come back at me with how the Pac 10 this, or Pac 10 that. I'm not one to usually side with a Trojan, but I don't understand why you would bring up the Pac 10 anyway. He made a comparison to the Pac 10 in the past, but the point of the paragraph was just an observation regarding the Big 12. Regardless of how many points the Pac 10 has given up doesn't change the fact that overall, the Big 12 has a much higher flying offense than strong defense. The conference game scores from last year especially speak volumes to this argument.
It's just amazing to me, and it's proven over and over again, that you simply have to be from the west coast to have any common sense, the ability to read, and the ability to comprehend what you have read - if you were able to read at all. I sure am glad that the last bastion of civilized thought still resides on the left coast.
The drivel that spews out of your feeble mind doesn't even warrant responses, anymore...
It's a joke, son. You need to get a sense of humor. It's intended to get a response from someone. I'm amazed that it was you. I was thinkin' that it was gonna come from an Okie. If you can't get my sense of humor - you should probably leave the posts alone. Of course, the left coast, doesn't have any patent on common sense. In fact, all things taken into consideration, there is probably alot less out here than anyplace else. That is obvious - and that is the context of the pun. I'm sure that the combined SAT scores in California are the worst in the country.
Furthermore, California is a 3rd world country run by the Kennedy's. California was traded to "the Kennedy's" and Vicente Fox as part of the NAFTA agreement. I'm not gonna run you down the whole political spectrum here, or describe the horrendous living conditions, but many folks on here know that I'm on my way out. By football season 2010 (I've been delayed by litigation a year), I'll be in Northern Nevada, and have my whole family out of this state. And, I mean everyone. This is a thing that I have been working on for two years already. The sinking economy is causing me lots of problems - but it is gonna happen. So, try not to take me too seriously. If I bash other sectors of the country, it's all in fun, as there is nothing as disfunctional as California is. It's all over here - and it's not even worth fighting about anymore.
Im glad this discussion has turned into politicalblogs.com in steed of our normal fanblogs.
Anyways back to my point that I was trying to make from the beginning that all of you continue to ignore for some reason:
All I am saying is that I as in ME not you not your friend, I would like to see something different this bowl season. Just to clarify. I do realize you probably will pull out California facts again but hopefully you now realize the original purpose of my original paragraph. Now start talking football and not politics.
How does Penn State make it any different? That's about like wanting to see California play for the MNC. Haven't we seen enough of the Big 10 conference yet? I know I have. My bias is based on the fact that we have to get stuck, pounding those teams in the Rose Bowl, year after year after year. Man, I'm the one who wants something different. If you've seen as many Big 10 beatdowns as I have - you'd feel the same way. What I'm telling you is that no Big 10 team belongs in a MNS game. Not until they start winning something. I really want to see a PAC Champ play a SEC Champ for a change - in some BCS bowl game. I can't stand this Rose Bowl contract in this day and age. It's really quite pathetic to me. We are really limiting ourselves to have to continually show up and beat down Big 10 teams. And, it does not do us any good whatsoever.
Can anyone tell that I'm hiding from my homer site? Man, I'd rather catch spears from strangers than my own brethren...
As long as Vandy wins the East its OK right? That is what you said, no?
Don't worry, man, your safe in here. If any SEC'ers come in here lookin' for you - I'll blow them out my own dayum self.
I can't believe that GT isn't ranked either. Auburn just keep getting caught in these pitching duels. It's not like they're gettin' blown out or anything. They look just good enough to keep being ranked. They better get some offense going. This is becoming pretty serious now. I was hoping that Auburn could make things alot more interesting before they year is over. I'm gonna be needing for Alabama to beat LSU and for Auburn to beat Bama - so your boyz need to get on the stick.
a decent OC, a decent QB, decent WRs, and decent DBs, a winning attitude, team chemistry, and hype around the AU program
thats about it...
yall lost to vanderbilt (have hit rock-bottom)
I'm also about to go find your pre-season prognostication post where you dismantled and trashed your own quarterback...
Now you're taking shots at Auburn's...
Nice...
You stay classy, Trustafarian...
Shame we didn't get a second chance on that one...
Again? Yeah. Doesn't it just *suck* when you can't count on a zebra to pull some bizarre penalty out his crack to give you a mulligan on a PAT?
Tubby had it coming. :-D
Unless the Ref''s are in the know about future expansion plans...
USC is stuck without anyway to pass anyone, as they are already counted as undefeated. If they lose again though, they will fall like a rock, down to around 20.
Michigan State and Northwestern can't be ruled out yet.
I am ruling out USCw because I don't think they are done losing yet.
Las Vegas currently lists both USC and Oklahoma at 5/2 to win the BCS National Championship. Alabama is 3rd at 5/1. Maybe the smart boyz in Vegas have it figured that there is gonna be a way for USC to pass all these teams. Have you ever been to a horse race? The horse that starts out in the lead usually always loses. Then, there is this horse that comes from way down in the back of the pack.......
If I am wrong, and they are done losing, they will have a great chance of getting in.
Southern Cal is ranked based on a 35-3 win over Ohio State and a 44-10 win over Oregon. Both of those wins rival Alabama's wins over Clemson and Georgia. Alabama is rated higher than USC because they have not lost yet. Georgia has no signature wins as of yet this season. As soon as they start getting some - they will rise back up in the polls. The 31-0 halftime deficit against Alabama, at home, did them in. That is gonna be hard to recover from in the eyes of the voters.
I do. You got my vote. Haven't ever seen it not happen yet. Etch it into stone.
I'm still trying to calculate how many Sperry top-siders were at the GA/Bama game last week. I'm at about two in five attendees right now.
Anyone there with some overall number would help!
And my estimation for your second statement: every 9 out of 10 people
Hookem-Horns
I wouldnt have responded except 1981 said Missu/OU well they aint played UT yet.
If he woulda said Missu/OU/UT/TTech/Ok st vs LSU/Bama//Vandy because its way early to be predicting anything.
Hookem-Horns
There is no fast track to anything, could texas beat OU and Missu in back to back weeks, yes its possible, but theres no fast track to anything , even if they were to pull that off next week there is Oklahoma State who will probably beat Missu this weekend and then there's Texas Tech and Kansas could Texas win against all those tough teams week after week- highly unlikely, but you never know, might win half of them, might lose them all, but theres no fast track, because even if by some miracle they survive the guanlet known as the toughest to survive in the nation, then they can play Missu or KU again- aint no fast track to anything. The Horns just started conference play and nothing is automatic for anybody including OU, Missu, OK St, KU and TTech
Hookem-Horns
"Hey clemson 1981 Games are played on the feild not on paper and stats are what you make of them"
Games are indeed played on the field, but what happens on the field goes to paper mighty fast my friend, always has always will.
Adios Tomcat