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A couple other things to throw out there. What if the BCS is tied for #2 between OU and TX next week? It has happened before (I think mid-season poll some years back). In that case the Big 12 site says "the represenattive will be chosen by draw". That would be fun!
How about Texas getting a slight nod over OU next week, but then playing very average / losing to Missouri in the championship game. Do you put OU as #2 in the polls, or do you allow Penn State to jump OU for the final BCS poll?
Chaos is good. I like our new President-Elect, but I hope he is never able to introduce an 8 team playoff into college football. This way is much more fun!
These voters never look at the entire season but who appears to be the hottest team at the moment.
I guess that's why I'm in 25th place in the pick 'em...
And, of course, I agree that Texas should be number two, just like they are right now. I don't think OU should pass Texas unless Texas barely pulls off a win against A&M, and even then, OU would have to blow out Ok. St. Texas won it on the field, who're these pollsters to take that away from them? (And yes, I would say the same if the teams were switched, although I wouldn't be happy about it.)
Wreck your parents car again?
OR the roses...
50,000 words for a novel, huh? Let's see. I have over 1200 posts on here, 40 words per post EASILY, so...
Just in time for Christmas:
WEA--The Early Years
Forward by Kevin Donahue
I'm going to pass on a bit of advice to you. Take it or leave it. I had to write a lot of very long papers in college, as my 2nd major was History. If the assignment specifies the length in number of pages but not in number of words, use the font "book antiqua". I've never had a teacher have a problem with it. It looks good, it's easy to read, and it gets you more pages with fewer words. Good luck, man.
And thanks for the font. I'll have to remember that.
Damn.. kids these days.
Also, when the loss occurs has historically mattered. OU lost early and rebuilt a defense when they lost the star linebacker playing Texas (remember, OU was leading that game until that injury).
I won't be upset if Texas goes ahead of us, but I don't think it's clear cut that they HAVE to go ahead of us.
Now, The Citadel......Florida is on their own for that one..
I'd hope you are gunning for a Florida loss or else you'll be watching OU and UF in Miami. Outside of that, you need to become a cowboy fan and worry about winning your own conference.
I am pretty sure some longhorn faithfull are about to be all over you like flies on waste. I believe you won the National Title in 05 not 06! Were you talking about Florida?
I know the game was played after the new year, here ya go "SMART GUY".You are the 05 national champions "SMART GUY".
http://www.nationalchamps.net/NCAA/nationalcham...
mabee ok state will win and tech will get to play in the big twelve title game, texas will just have to settle for the bcs title game
Now Citadel needs to play SFA, SHSU,TSU etc etc and these teams dont really help anybodies SOS argument. Citadel played Texas A&M couple of years ago, well I really respect them and admire them, they should play smaller schools and really have no business against Div-1A teams from tough conferences.
Sicem-Bears beat the H outa TTech
Go Cowboys- Did I say that?
Hookem-Horns
What do you expect for UF's 2nd and 3rd string to take knees the rest of the game? It's college football brother, not intramurals. Change your tampon as you're starting to sound like a Big 10 fan.
*See Oklahoma vs Texas Tech
**At least Oklahoma State and Texas Tech are ranked and should be able to do better than that. I think Texas loses ground if the game is within 50.
Mack Daddy has to do more than get the win and I'm afraid this one has the potential to get ugly. I felt kinda sorry for A&M at the Baylor game.
Hookem-Horns
Sicem-Bears beat Tech----stranger things have happened
Been seeing alot of deer on a daily basis
Might get one this evening- was watching-8 different ones last night
Only one really good one-little too late in the evening and was moving
Basis: TX did beat a higher ranked OK on neutral ground, and, though they lost to a highly, albeit lesser ranked TX Tech, it was at TX Tech. OK's epic win against Tech was in Norman. Consider also, that while it is likely OK would have breezed through TX's early schedule, said schedule didn't include a single 1-AA team.
Finally, there's that arguably all-important overall strength of schedule. Currently, the teams OK has played have a combined w/l record of 66-58; likely there will be 4 wins & 4 losses added to each column, or no net change. TX's schedule has a combined record of 75-46. Although their aggregate may change by as many as +2 in the loss column, that's still a combined record of 79-53.
So, in conclusion, I think it can be said, and reasonably so, even if OK wins in Stillwater, TX should go to the Big 12 Championship to meet MO. JMHO.
I am not cheering for one team over the other, it just seems logical to me that this is why we play the games....to decide who is the winner.
Side note, I hope you guys manage a huge upset next week. I really want Bama to fall on their backside. Not because I want BCS chaos - though that's a nice side effect - but because I have loathed Bama for many, many years. War Eagle!
And I would actually rather see a Oklahoma/Florida title match because I think it would be the most entertaining game.
The stadium is split 50/50
annual game every October-heard arguments both sides, to move it to a later time/date- doesn't matter fair for both programs
Norman is actually closer to Dallas than Austin
Sorry Mark- its doesn't get any better than this- Biggest rivalry in the whole friggin universe
Maybe the MNC game was already been played?
Neutral Site- Yes
Why would UT vs OU be played in Stillwater?-doesnt make any sense man- reread your post
Hookem-Horns
Oklahoma: Texas Tech, TCU and Cincinnati
Texas: Oklahoma, Missouri, Oklahoma State
Texas Tech: Texas, Oklahoma State
Right not I would personally give Texas a slight lead over Oklahoma. If Oklahoma wins next week over Oklahoma State my vote goes to Oklahoma.
This all supposes they don't end up playing each other...
Big 12 Tie breaker rules: (in order)
The records of the three teams will be compared against each other
The records of the three teams will be compared within their division
The records of the three teams will be compared against the next highest placed teams in their division in order of fi nish (4, 5 and 6)
The records of the three teams will be compared against all common conference opponents;
The highest ranked team in the fi rst Bowl Championship Series Poll following the completion of Big 12 regular season conference play shall be the representative
The team with the best overall winning percentage [excluding exempted games] shall be the representative
The representative will be chosen by draw.
I stand before you a humbled man. I do not know what it was, but I know for dang sure the best team won Saturday night. It was a great atmosphere and we fell flat on our face. It was the worst performance I have seen out of this group in a long time. With that being said, even if we would have played perfect, we still would have lost. So you will not see any excuses coming out of my corner. We have proven that we cannot handle great teams on the road. I still am a firm believer that we are truly a top 10 team and did simply did not rise to the challenge. OU did. We were outplayed, and outcoached in every part of the game. Especially up front on both sides of the ball. Good game OU. You have my vote to go to the NCG if you win out.
Alabama, USC, Penn State, Utah, Texas Tech, TCU, Georgia and Boise State can take advantage of missed opportunities if one of those teams is not ready to play, but not if they are on.
Sorry for the loss, good luck to whichever bowl Texas Tech goes to. Oklahoma still needs to play a tough Oklahoma State team. Texas Tech will not fall out of the top 10.
Sicem-Bears beat the H-outa TTech
Also on one loss teams: Florida lost to a team with a Texas reject quarterback and will probably beat Alabama. To me the best 1 lost teams are OU-Texas. They should be 1 and 2. They should play for the national championship. And of course in a flawed rankings system that never seems to satisfy fans such an event will never happen. What makes me angry is that there has to be so much uncertainty to who deserves the rankings. College football fans deserve something better than this disgrace of a ranking system.
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"...incest, incest is the best...put your sister to the test..."
That how y'all do it out West?
I don't give a damn how y'all figure out who the B-XII rep will be....just don't pretend your getting laid, when you're banging your sister.
You get ONE team in the BCS-NCG. Only one. We--or some other deserving conference--will provide the other.
Beat them, and we'll give you props for getting laid.
Make it with your own....and you can expect the rest of us to turn away in disgust.
GO GATORS!!
Since the SEC won the last two NC's--rather decisively, I might add--it's obvious that the best football in the nation is being played in the SEC....
....therefore, regardless who wins the SEC championship in Atlanta, the NC should quite naturally be, a rematch between Florida and Alabama.
How do you like me now, cowboy?
GO GATORS!!
i wont trash your state or your team just because of one ignorant person
It's called an analogy. Perhaps metaphore would be more accurate; either way, no one's actually accusing anyone of having actual relations with their rely's...
Now, as for last 2 years vs. this year--again, the shallowness of your anaylsis betrays your own limited intelligence. I brought up the preceding 2 years--in response to your ridiculous reference to '05. You, 2 posts up: "...texas has beaten a better team for a bcs title on their home turf just 3 years ago..." See how stupid that is?
Ditto the suggestion from Joe the QB, which you echoed: "...To me the best 1 lost teams are OU-Texas. They should be 1 and 2. They should play for the national championship...."
The point: my suggestion that UF and UA play a rematch of teh SEC CG is no less absurd than this ridiculous notion....can't you see the inherent absurdity of 2 teams from the same conference playing for the NATIONAL championship?
Let's try the analogy thing, one more time: Boston Red Sox v. NYY for World Series....how about Dallas Cowboys v. NY Giants for Superbowl... Is the picture starting to come into focus for you?
The bottom line: the point in proferring my SEC suggestion is simply to illustrate the patent absurdity of the suggestion that any 2 teams from virtually any conference should be permitted to play for a national championship.
I assure you, I am far from alone, when i tell you i would not watch such a farce. It would be a complete waste of time.
Final point: Am I 17? Fortunately for you, I am much older than that...cause wouldn't it be embarrassing, having to have things spelled out for you, by a 17 year old?
GO GATORS!!
Yeah, that's all I do. You're just flat out funny, little boy.
GO GATORS!!
1st Lt. paul ryan taylor-- fort hood army base, killeen texas attn.-mps office, but hurry i will be going back to afgan soon " the dirty third "
As for my pereference for anonymity on this site--it's kind of involved...part business decision (clients of different loyalties...), part a matter of keeping the posts isolated from the perspective--so that they stand or fall on their merits alone (IMO, once you start interjecting personal information, all of your posts are affected--for better or for worse, enhanced or compromised...by the perspective you disclose. The only "perspective" I care to disclose, is that of my orange and blue tint (...though I have let on before that I am a God fearing family man....not much more...).
I assure you however, fear doesn't come into play...
GO GATORS!!
"...i don't remember talking to that guy or even caring about what he said until then...."
My incest ANALOGY was directed at JOE THE QB, dipshit--not you; YOU chimed in, because you haven't the intelligene to decifer ANALOGY from REALITY.
Bevo Boy is 17 y/o, and he posts--and GETS IT--like an adult....you on the other hand, are a sniveling little baby who needs coddling, elementary concepts spelled out for you, and YOU lash out at others, then accuse others of lashing out....YOU insult people's intelligence, than cry uncle when your own is called out...you're defensive...hell, I could go on...I'll just leave it at that.
GO GATORS!!
And since UF's loss they haven't given up more than 21 in a game and outscored their oppents 369-82
Mind you that's while playing LSU, Georgia, South Carolina, Vandy, UK. The only "no body" UF played at all is Citadel and they still have FSU and Bama to play
TT should have never been in discussion for the NC game,winning over KS is hardly a quality win.
I'll give you the win over OSU as a quality win though.
regardless the fluke that was TT is over finally.
UT should go over OU simply because OU lost to UT they both don't deserve a NC shot though same thing as the old Mich OSU rematch people wanted.
If UF wins out they get a NC shot almost garunteed if they do and they should be pitted against either UT or OU
fans keep arguing that they beat OU on a neutral field, I haven't heard much about the fact that they lost
to Texas Tech. Its like it never existed. There is no way to justify this argument but I can simplify it: If OU
beats O-State, OU would have beaten 5 top 25 teams compared to UT's 4. And if OU beats State by more
than 4 points which is something UT couldn't do in Austin, then what? BOOMER!
Check this out
Oklahoma since 2000 has only two loses at home-fact
Texas Tech vs OU last four years home team wins-sorry guys, but Home feild makes alot of difference
I saw a rattled UT team that was dropping passes, missing blocks, missing tackles and dropping INT's at Lubbock, saw the same kind of thing out TTech Sat night at Norman.
OU is definitely hot and firing on all cylinders, TTech beat OSU in Lubbock, UT beat OSU in Austin- Sooners travel to Stillwater- Sooners should be heavily favored, The Cowboys have a good team and have had a great season and their only two loses were on the road against top ten teams. It aint over till its over.
Go Cowboys
Hookem-Horns
BTW the A&M game is in Austin
I personally do not see a scenario where Texas gets to BCS title game unless both Texas Tech and OU lose this weekend. Or if OU or Texas Tech loses in Big 12 Championship Game. Because if OU wins at OSU, they are going to jump Texas in BCS standing and go to Big 12 champ. game. All that said, I cannot believe that a 12-1 Big 12 Conference Champion wouldn't win out over the 11-1 Texas Longhorns, (#2 in this weeks BCS rankings). Not the voters, computers, nor anyone with a damn objective brain in their head leaving is OU/Texas Tech out of the NC game in favor of Texas.
Now what if everyone stumbles?!
less than 30 points at home, then it might hurt the Horns chances in the polls as well. Personally, I think it would be great if Florida lost to Fla. State and then beat Alabama in the SEC title game. Then the BCS would have to figure out how to address the the obvious, which is a UT vs OU Natioanl Title Game. The Red River Shootout Pt.2. Now that would be good football.
Would you please play that one out---so what happens if OU wins the BXII, and Texas beats them AGAIN? Second best team in a conference is "national champ"--seriously, who's buying that garbage?
How about Texas wins conference, but loses to OU for NC. They're conference champs, they split 1-1 with OU on the year, but some how OU is NC. ...and again, second best team in a conference is called "national champ." Right.
Meanwhile, UF/AU winner, Penn State, and USC--all could very likely take down the B-XII champ.
They call SEC Fan arrogant, yet we're the only fan base that would never even think of pretending to have 2 of our teams play for the NC. That is the empitome of arrogance--to suggest that the 2nd best team in your conference deserves to be called NC.
GO GATORS!!
OU vs UT has already been played so has UT vs Missu
Saw a interveiw with Don BeBe the XII commisioner the other day
He is totally opposed to any playoff format and said that he is a bowl advocate
He said he is also opposed to any restructure of the divisions his arguement that the North division had two big bowl wins last season KU and Missu
Seems as though a 8 team playoff could be instituted with the existing bowls already in place and that right now, this season, there are more than two deserving teams.
With the parity that currently exist and the level of competition, that the regular season games would still be important and those who are in power dont want to break the paradigm that currently exist in determining the MNC of CFB.
Okay Regan -chime in now- been there done that
Our new president-elect has some ideas and said he will throw his weight around.
We will see how things play out and some deserving teams will be left out.
Hookem-Horns
where would they be ranked? I Alabama, Texas, Florida and Oklahoma are atop the BCS, then a Bama loss and a Florida loss would almost certainly move Texas and OU up in the polls to #1 and #2. I never said it was the right thing, but again....the BCS allows for this to happen. Will it? I doubt it, but it could. And that's all I was pointing out. I'm not a backer of the BCS system and this is just another reason why.
I assure you, that's not my motivation. If Bama loses to AU and UF, and UF loses to FSU, we both have 2 losses. If we're both locked out, so be it. But the other team should be a conference champion, unless there are simply no other champs with 1 loss. Penn State or USC (if they win PAC 10); perhaps even an undefeated non-auto-bid BCS team....
...ANYTHING better than an intra-conference rematch. I wouldn't watch it...and I'm sure I'd be far from alone in not bothering to tune in on a Monday night, to see a game we already saw, and which would resolve nothing.
Re. the OU game--exactly...wouldn't that have been a disgrace? In fact, I believe they revamped the system as a result....
Final point: discount it as you will, but there is a STRONG undercurrent against an intra-conference rematch game. If the midwestern-bent media's darling, the Big 10, couldn't pull it off 2 years ago, amidst a shameless media love fest with UM-OSU rematch (due to same undercurrent)--I doubt any other conference could pull it off against a stronger undercurrent.
GO GATORS!!
If you take into account when they played, you should also take into account the teams that they played leading up to that game. When Texas played Tech, they had just played teams ranked 1, 11, and 6 leading up to it, where OU had a bye week before Texas. Do you think that your team will be better rested and better prepared after playing three top-11 teams in a row, or having the previous week off? Texas also played the top-two teams from the Big XII North, and OU didn't. Shouldn't other games matter, too? If you can literally spend all of your time preparing for two opponents, don't you think you'll do better than someone who plays a much tougher schedule than you? Texas took the best punch everyone in the Big XII had, and only came up with one loss (assuming nothing catastrophic happens against aTm). Oklahoma didn't even play the same Tech team that Texas did.
Alabama loses to Auburn and falls out of the top 5
Florida later loses to Alabama in the SEC title game and in turn they fall out of the top 3 spots
Oklahoma beats OSU by 17 in Stillwater, they leapfrog Texas and slide into the #1 spot vacated by Alabama
Texas beats A&M, moves to #2 in the BCS, but loses the chance to lay in the Big 12 Title Game by virtue of OU being ranked higher in the BCS.
Alabama beats Florida and wins the SEC, but only moves up to #4
Florida falls out of the top 5.
OU wins the Big 12 Title game adn stays at #1
Texas is idle, but doesn't slip in the polls due to Bama and Florida being too far back in the points
USC ends up #3 almost by virtue of default, but do not win the Pac-10
In this scenario, the only logical way to keep OU from playing UT in the NC game is for the BCS to allow USC to leapfrog into the #2 spot. If that happened then you would have a team that didn't win their respective conference playing in the National Championship Game.
Now this is all fairly unlikely, but it is possible in the BCS format...................and I don't like it.
We need a playoff system!
Sorta like many other teams that played in the Championship game that did not win their conference. Like Florida in 06' and Oklahoma in 03' and on and on. BTW, you are wrong in the fact that USC didn't win the conference. With an 8-1 record they will have won the conference and won a split share of the title. It's just that Oregon State at 8-1 also, will go to the Rose Bowl, based on the head-to-head win. BTW, that will be seven conference championships in a row. Either change your handle - or learn something about the game.