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Re: Auburn for 2004 National Champion? Why the Hell Not?

aVoiceInSC — Sat, 09 Aug 2008 08:33:14 -0000

I have to admit, I'm a little out of it right now, but I don't get it. I did win $300 on that game though.

Re: Auburn for 2004 National Champion? Why the Hell Not?

Ben Prather — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 23:57:59 -0000

Upon further review, I have in fact said things this ridiculous.

Auburn has the advantage over Utah of being #2 in the final polls.

How can you be absolutely sure Arkansas would have lost to LSU in 2007? I am talking about reasonable estimates of the odds of the outcome of a hypothetical game.

Re: Auburn for 2004 National Champion? Why the Hell Not?

"BC" — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 19:40:05 -0000

not sure i follow.
so you think Furr being gang-banged by the upperclassmen had nothing to do with him looking to play elsewhere?
and no, i think fights on the practice field not only happen at Auburn, but anywhere that a team doesn't have good team chemistry.
i know for a fact there haven't been any fights on the Alabama practice field.

second, we have only one 5-star player that has played in an iron bowl. him being, of course, Andre Smith. predicted to be a top 5 pick in the NFL draft after his Junior season in 2008.
so again, im not sure i get what you mean in your second paragraph.

also. check out this breaking news.
yet another auburn player gets injured due to a fight!
whats goin on down on the plains???

A few quickie notes from Friday morning's practice:

* Freshman defensive back Marcus Jemison injured his left foot after a scuffle with fullback John Douglas. Jemison left the injury tent in crutches, his foot in an air cast, and climbed into a university van.

Auburn coach Tommy Tuberville said it was an ankle injury, but he didn't know how serious it was. Tuberville said he was not concerned that the injury appeared to be caused in the midst of a fight.

"Every play's a fight," he said.

Re: Auburn for 2004 National Champion? Why the Hell Not?

Porcine — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 16:13:57 -0000

You noticed that too, huh?

Re: Auburn for 2004 National Champion? Why the Hell Not?

AUtigerman — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 12:34:29 -0000

Actually i hope Bama continues to use
rivals as a recruiting tool.

They obviously do and are quite proud of it. Even posting it on there web site.
My point was that dispite finishing in what rivals says is top 20 classes they cant seem to break a top 25 ranking.

Re: Auburn for 2004 National Champion? Why the Hell Not?

aVoiceInSC — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 12:25:54 -0000

Well, to me, this entire concept is ridiculous. If USC is stripped, don't give it to anyone. Giving it to Utah uses the same logic as giving it to Auburn. They didn't lose to anyone that year, so how can you be absolutely sure that they would have lost to any team?

Re: Auburn for 2004 National Champion? Why the Hell Not?

Ben Prather — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 12:17:52 -0000

I vote #2.

Re: Auburn for 2004 National Champion? Why the Hell Not?

Ben Prather — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 12:16:17 -0000

Even I wouldn't say something that ridiculous. Utah could have beaten all but two teams in 2004.

USC and Auburn.

Re: Auburn for 2004 National Champion? Why the Hell Not?

Ben Prather — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 12:12:47 -0000

The rankings after the bowls had Auburn #2, Oklahoma #3, Utah #4. Some disagreement on #3 and #4 existed, but #1 and #2 were consistent.

If USC loses the championship it should be Auburn's.

The better question would be what happens if Bush loses the Heisman.
It looks like Vince Young would be next in line to claim it.

Re: Auburn for 2004 National Champion? Why the Hell Not?

-TE- — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 12:07:03 -0000

Hey, TampaGator...BC left a $20 by the bedstand, and he wrote his # in lipstick on the mirror in the hotel room...

Dude, if you can't tell that Rivals would inflate Alabama, and denigrate LSU and/or Auburn, to the betterment of Alabama, there's no real use going any further with the conversation.

Bama cheats, they basically owned the de facto recruiting service that everyone uses, so any statistics or evaluations based on that are inherently biased and inherently unreliable, unless you're looking in terms of the most general variety, sir.

You take from it what you will, but I'll leave it at this...I know now why Kevin didn't wanna make this place into a recruiting information repository...

Re: Auburn for 2004 National Champion? Why the Hell Not?

Ben Prather — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 11:58:59 -0000

Again, we have credibility from the takes one to know one philosophy

Re: Auburn for 2004 National Champion? Why the Hell Not?

War_Eagle_Atlanta — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 11:46:12 -0000

Do you think that fights on the practice field only occur at Auburn? DeRon Furr is leaving because he wanted to play QB and they moved him to defense this summer. Can't say I blame the kid. It's his dream he's chasing...

And our 3 star kids seem to be having their way with your 5 star kids here of late, wouldn't you say?

Re: Auburn for 2004 National Champion? Why the Hell Not?

War_Eagle_Atlanta — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 11:43:50 -0000

Grandpa, tell me 'bout the good old days...

Re: Auburn for 2004 National Champion? Why the Hell Not?

TampaGator — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 10:52:14 -0000

Disagree.

BC was right; you bolstered his point.

You can't continuously slam Rivals for over-inflating 'Bama recruits, then deny that 'Bama's recruiting classes were inferior to AU's, when UA's were continously ranked below AU during that period in question--despite the artificial infation they enjoyed due to Rival's bias.

...and yeah, of course recruiting anaylses are subjective and imperfect; but to attempt to illustrate that with one simple case in point is essentially meaningless. Anyone could lay out about 1,000 such cases; it would make no difference, since everyone knows that they are speculative and imperfect--almost by definition. That doesn't render recruiting rankings irrelevant; merely imperfect. In the aggregate, the recruiting rankings tend to be relevant, and more accurate than not; at the very least, the shed some light on propects' potential.

...and as for Rival's being discredited completely--that doesn't follow automatically, and you've shown nothing other than a confict of interest with regards to UA. Hence they can be discredited in terms of UA only, due to conflict of interest--but even then, only to the upside, not downward. In other words, any downward inclination of their recruiting rankings of UA would serve almost as an admission against their self interest--certainly NOT something to be discredited due to conflict of interest. The converse may also apply to AU, their arch rival (hence any downward inclination to the rankings of AU, could be mitigated by Rival's bias; upward inclination...an admission against self interest).

Judgment: for Plaintiff...'er, Bleed Crimson...

...for which let execution issue forthwith, and without day.

b/t/w: you don't own BC; the kid holds his own quite well with you (can't really say the same re. LSU/UA).

GO GATORS!!

Re: Auburn for 2004 National Champion? Why the Hell Not?

-TE- — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 01:22:20 -0000

You're such a boob, BC...

If you can't depend on him to rank 'Bama accurately, then how can you depend on him to rank anyone accurately?

It's been proven the guy is unreliable...It's like that Nader book, Unsafe At Any Speed, BC...You simply can't trust recruiting rankings...

They're idiotic, subjective, and completely beholden to other Bama boobs, such as yourself...

I'll put it to you like this...Trindon Holliday has made play after play after play for this LSU team...He lead the conference in Kickoff Return average, and he is a dynamite player for us in specific situations...

Yet, there were two teams who offered him scholarships at the FBS level:

Duke, and LSU...

Duke rescinded theirs to a track-only scholarship...

LSU kept after him, and even though nobody had heard of him, even though he was tiny, and even though he was considered a nobody...We kept after him, signed him, and he became a BEAST for our team, thank you very much...

Sort've like Jacob Hester, who went over 1,000+ yards for us last year with all the talent in our backfield...

Rivals had him as a 2* coming out...

The point is that you can't trust the rankings, period...

BC, by now you should know that I don't slip. I'm a human being...Just a man...I'm just a man that owns you...and I'm just a man whose a fan of a team that owns yours...

I'm loud. I'm proud. Get used to me...

Re: Auburn for 2004 National Champion? Why the Hell Not?

"BC" — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 01:18:17 -0000

well thats a matter of opinion.
yes, in the iron bowl series, over my lifetime, auburn holds a two game lead.
however, in my lifetime, alabama holds the lead in National Championships 1-0, and conference titles 2-1.

so, if it was up to me, id take a national title and SEC championship over 2 iron bowl victories anyday.
but maybe you would choose otherwise.

Re: Auburn for 2004 National Champion? Why the Hell Not?

"BC" — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 00:58:59 -0000

TE, although it is very kind of you to try and back Mr. Tigerman. However, by not reading our argument prior to posting, you did just the opposite.

TE, youre starting to slip, on a regular basis, and it seems you may be loosing your edge.

Mr. Tigerman was trying to argue that Auburn, although not out-recruiting Alabama, still fielded the better teams.
i simply stated that he was in the wrong, and that in '05, '06, and '07, Auburn had a higher ranked recruiting class than Alabama ala Rivals.com.

You brought up an excellent point to strengthen my argument. The one guy who supposedly oversees all of the players' rankings, is a TOTAL bama homer.
And in spite of being a "bama homer," in those years, he STILL ranked Auburn's class higher than Alabama's.

case closed.

Re: Auburn for 2004 National Champion? Why the Hell Not?

-TE- — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 00:05:36 -0000

Ask him who owned, ran, and VISIBLY over-ranked Alabama recruits at Rivals...

That's right, none other than one of the BIGGEST BAMA HOMERS ANYWHERE ran Rivals...

Using Rivals rankings to accurately portray any athletes the Tide have is a joke, and any athletes that don't sign with them are routinely-and have routinely in the past-been degraded, quite literally...

They signed a kid in Saban's first class that went from no stars to 2 stars THE NEXT DAY...It's laughable that he's talking FACTS in one message, and then completely leaving out the fact that his entire argument is predicated on a site that's degree of slant towards his team's favor in terms of its subjectivity is not even up for debate.

Re: Auburn for 2004 National Champion? Why the Hell Not?

AUtigerman — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 23:25:51 -0000

Well this seems pointless arguing with a Bammer.
The truth is Bama hasnt been able to convert what most teams in the nation would consider top level recruiting into top level winning. 5 or 6 top twenty classes and only one top 25 finish and that year you lost to AU and LSU.

Re: Auburn for 2004 National Champion? Why the Hell Not?

AUtigerman — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 23:06:57 -0000

Honestly i was refering to the arrogant rants you so frequently slant towards Auburn. As if your beloved Tide were so much better then them.
In your life time is refering to the fact that in your life time Bama dosent even hold a winning record against AU. In your life time AU has consistantly been the better team. Even in the 10 win season of 05 your refering to you were beating by the two better teams in the west us and LSU.

So in your life time , My daugters life ,and now my Grandsons lifetime AU is the better team from the fine state of Alabama.

In this lifetime what goes around comes around and now i am enjoying the fact that AU is the better team.

Re: Auburn for 2004 National Champion? Why the Hell Not?

"BC" — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 22:18:36 -0000

Hey WEA,
off topic, but i wanna hear your take on the brawls happening on the Auburn practice field.
apparently one of the few 4-star freshman you got, was jumped, and is now looking to play elsewhere.

Re: Auburn for 2004 National Champion? Why the Hell Not?

"BC" — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 22:10:24 -0000

well if by good you mean National Championship, then no, i was only 3 when we won in 1992.
but by that same reasoning, auburn has NEVER been good in your lifetime. unless of course, you vividly remember that '57 team. i dont know how old you are.

if by good, you mean SEC championships, then yes, i distinctly remember stomping florida to win it in 1999.

and if by good, you mean, a 10-win season, then look no further than 2005.

great post tigerman!!!

Re: Auburn for 2004 National Champion? Why the Hell Not?

"BC" — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 22:04:28 -0000

absolutely not.

you caught on nicely.

Re: Auburn for 2004 National Champion? Why the Hell Not?

"BC" — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 22:02:10 -0000

laughable. you made that ENTIRE comment without using one key ingredient - FACTS.
so ill provide them for you.

and get all of your little auburn buddies to read this too, because apparently most of them dont know this either.
in response to the "Alabama always out-recruits Auburn, Tubby just knows how to spot talent and coaches em up reeeel nice" argument:

in years '05, '06, and '07, auburn has finished with a higher recruiting ranking than alabama ala Rivals.com
AKA - your sophomores, juniors, and seniors.

and in 2005, our senior class, we WERE out of the top 15 in recruiting.

and of course, the fact that were out-recruiting you RIGHT NOW, hasnt shown on the field yet, because our true freshman class, has yet to play you yet.
but of course we'll see what they do come november.

Re: Auburn for 2004 National Champion? Why the Hell Not?

War_Eagle_Atlanta — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 17:19:59 -0000

Biased with a personal agenda? Yes. But I'd be making the same argument if Auburn wasn't involved...

But the real issue isn't playoffs or who should have played in the Orange Bowl that year. The issue is who going to be defaulted the MNC IF USC is required to vacate it. It's that simple.

You have 5 choices: 1) No one 2) Auburn 3) Utah 4) Auburn and Utah 5) Team to be named later

And when I say 'defaulted', I don't mean that there's going to be some big ceremony. Either team will just have to openly and conspicuously claim it and after a few years it will become written into the record...