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Re: BCS Busting - Part IV

Ben Prather — Sun, 05 Oct 2008 14:32:05 -0000

The remnant of the WAC might disagree with that assessment. Between them and the Sun Belt a workable conference exists, if Hawaii, San Jose State and Florida International are left out as independents.

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1Tomcat — Sun, 05 Oct 2008 14:02:24 -0000

Yes Its all makes too much sense and conference expansion seems like a win-win for everybody

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Ben Prather — Sun, 05 Oct 2008 13:47:15 -0000

The only place I used this name was in the title. It is the standard reference for a team from outside the 6 BCS Automatic Qualifying conferences attempting to earn a spot in one of the BCS Bowls.

I would also object to refering to the other FBS conferences as non BCS conferences as they also have contracts with the BCS. As such I refer to them as BCS non-AQ conferences.

I will agree that the term BCS Buster is outdated since 2006 when the BCS eased their qualifications and it is the expected case that one will get in each year. Perhaps you could help me identify a better term for the leading BCS non-AQ conference member in their pursuit of a BCS Bowl berth.

Until an improved term is coined we are stuck with the old term.

Re: BCS Busting - Part IV

Ben Prather — Sun, 05 Oct 2008 13:39:40 -0000

Did you even read my post? My thesis was that expansion would greatly benefit them, especially if it is Fresno State, Boise State and Tulsa. Louisiana Tech could take Tulsa's spot in C-USA.

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1Tomcat — Sun, 05 Oct 2008 13:08:53 -0000

Okay Ben Check this out C-USA 12 teams MAC 13 teams
I know this sounds crazy, but when looking at MWC 3 teams stand out, If they could add a few from WAC or Sunbelt and become a 12 team conference then maybe they would fair better in the AQ arguement. C-USA could pick up am Sunbelt team after UTEP goes MWC at least its near some Mountains.
Ive never really understood La Tech in the WAC, surrounded by C-USA,Sunbelt and SEC in the Tex,La,Ark, Miss region of the country.
Seems like the WAC could be absorbed through the expainsion of The PAC and MWC- regionally
Hookem Horns

Re: BCS Busting - Part IV

fosterkeats — Sun, 05 Oct 2008 12:36:21 -0000

Can we PLEASE quit saying "BCS Buster"??? Why does everything have to have some dumb-ass nickname???

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Regan — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 19:41:47 -0000

Everyone is overrated. Life sucks. I want my delusional pre-season back.

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Ben Prather — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 11:01:13 -0000

BYU is looking too close to Utah of 2004 for my comfort. It is hard to say that they will be even better next year until they show a weakness.

Last night it looked like you all are trying to catch us in the NCAA penalties statistics.

12 Penalties for 123 yards?

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Ben Prather — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 10:38:27 -0000

That was so two weeks ago.

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Regan — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 03:51:33 -0000

Hey Ben, why not at this point ask when Southern Cal is going to jump ship and go to the MWC? :)

LOL kidding...

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Cougar_Fan — Fri, 03 Oct 2008 23:41:22 -0000

Yeah you're probably right. I guess I should say that I think that we'll be better at the top. BYU, and TCU are both going to improve from this year to next year.

Re: BCS Busting - Part IV

Regan — Fri, 03 Oct 2008 20:31:24 -0000

I was kidding about BYU and Utah joining the Big East, but ya get what I'm saying. Both schools have deep 1-A history and would make fine choices, but....they're on the other side of the country. :) If the Big East expanded, they'd go more locally.

Actually, that's a great point about the TV markets. My analysis was based on the basic concepts like the ACC's desire to get Boston College to get the Boston TV market, etc.

I feel that the huge population in the Northeast has enough CFB fans to keep enough interest. I just can't see excluding that big of a region from the BCS.

As far as 'Tradition' goes, I was referring to the tradition in the last 50 years - obviously the Ivy League cannot compete with BCS-caliber teams.

As far as the BCS Bowl contract goes, the Big East is the smallest BCS conference and is now getting settled after going thru a shakeup. New Rivalries have to form, etc. Even originally, though, the Big East (football) conference is relatively new (1991), so there has never been much "conference tradition" outside being a collection of many of the old Eastern Independents.

Also, the Alumni are not as numerous as they are in the SEC and Big Ten, etc.

That's just my take - you're the MWC expert, though. :)

Re: BCS Busting - Part IV

Ben Prather — Fri, 03 Oct 2008 18:37:14 -0000

The five MWC schools in the middle group would be competitive with Baylor, Texas A&M and Iowa State. In the MWC these teams are likely to go 7-5. In the Big 12 they go are likely to go 4-8.

I don't think we are that far off in our thinking.

The BIG 12 is nowhere near the boundary of BCS AQ/non AQ conferences.

Re: BCS Busting - Part IV

Ben Prather — Fri, 03 Oct 2008 18:32:16 -0000

21-10, 8-4 BCS OOC record for the league is a stellar accomplishment that will be hard to beat next year. We won a lot of the close games that could go either way. The law of averages should expect that we would return to closer to 50% in those games and not do as well as a whole next year.

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Ben Prather — Fri, 03 Oct 2008 18:28:47 -0000

The one fallacy in that argument is that the Big East plays second fiddle in those markets to the NFL. Despite being in larger markets, those teams don't instill the fan devotion that their NFL counterparts do. One exception may be WV, but then how does Morgantown compare to SLC?

If you want to hang your hat on tradition why not go the way of the Ivy League? If the Big East Alumni are so determined why does the Big East not have a contract with a BCS bowl?

Obviously BYU and Utah make no sense for the Big East. They both have more history and proven success than two programs that became 1-A less than a decade ago.

Re: BCS Busting - Part IV

Regan — Fri, 03 Oct 2008 17:52:55 -0000

I defend the ACC first, Ben; but as far as the Big East goes:

Connecticut and South Florida are in the BCS because they are in HUGE TV markets, and both schools have been added in the last few years because TCU, BYU, and Utah are too far west to be expansion candidates. :)

My point is that the "traditional" schools in the East (notably PITT, SYR, WVU, etc) and their alumni bases will just not be relegated to non-BCS status.

Not with all the money and TV sets in that region.

I'm cool with the MWC joining the existing BCS conferences, and I think that would be good for the sport as well.

Re: BCS Busting - Part IV

1Tomcat — Fri, 03 Oct 2008 15:38:05 -0000

I totally disagree Ben- Heck compared to the bottom four of the B-12?
Who are the bottom 4? We wont know yet, because every year it changes Right now I believe that every team is 0-0
The B-12 is just starting conference games tomorrow for this season.
Whos at the top? nobody knows right now alot of games have to be played
Teams like Baylor for example would not have 3-9 or 4-8 seasons in the MWC or C-USA in my opinion The B-12 is a real tough place-no comparison

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Porcine — Fri, 03 Oct 2008 14:28:16 -0000

I think it is unlikely to end that way. Nyuk, nyunk.

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Porcine — Fri, 03 Oct 2008 14:26:11 -0000

UCONN do it!! What does the Vietcong have to do with anything?

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NMLSooner — Fri, 03 Oct 2008 12:48:24 -0000

My reference to football & men's basketball are the only revenue generating sports was a general one, Not one meant specifically about Utah & BYU. Women's basketball at OU makes ALOT of money, but they are one of the few exceptions in those sports. Most universities survive of of their football budget, and some off of men's basketball.

Re: BCS Busting - Part IV

Ben Prather — Fri, 03 Oct 2008 00:52:43 -0000

I almost responded likewise, but deemed this post not worthy of a response.

I personally post more than 1 percent of the threads here and seldom reference the SEC.

I will give Jake this much...

The top two conferences are the SEC and the Big 12. The national title game is theirs to lose. Here is to one of them losing it... Especially if it is the SEC.

I like anyones odds vs a Big 12 title contender.

Re: BCS Busting - Part IV

Ben Prather — Fri, 03 Oct 2008 00:42:15 -0000

Explain why UCONN is BCS and BYU is not? And South Florida? The ACC has a contract with the Orange Bowl and will not lose a BCS bid. The Big East is second fiddle to the NLF in their region.

Again the BCS is more likely to exclude the Big East than include the MWC at the end of this year.

Man I hope this makes sense...

I guess I will see tomorrow...

Re: BCS Busting - Part IV

Jake — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 23:50:06 -0000

USC is overrated

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OU_Ron — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 23:08:09 -0000

99.5

Re: BCS Busting - Part IV

Jake — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 22:32:23 -0000

Actually Tommy the title of this is BCS busting. And you obviously have a problem with the SEC