When will these idiots respect Penn State.Everyone in America thinks that they are not for real but they are.Please everyone watch Penn State play.We need to do something about this injustice.
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
I don't see a one loss team passing Penn State. You all don't have to worry about getting jumped anymore.
TidePride27
· 1 year ago
they can not play with alabama,just becouse jo pa is 82? everybody wants peen state num.1 they have not played but 1 top 10 team this year ,they got a so so schedule
bigluke81
· 1 year ago
You are not giving us a fair shot @ the title.Thats all we ask for.Who do we have to kiss up to to get a fair shot.Its like you also have no respect for Paterno.He did alot for the school.The voters were never fair with Penn State.They had numerous undefeated seasons and 2 national tittles to show for.The only fair thing to do is have a playoff system.
lbu828694
· 1 year ago
Penn State is ranked 2nd in the coaches poll and Harris poll. Theres nothing else they can do man. SOS kills them.
shiguy
· 1 year ago
Nobody is arguing Penn St.'s ability. The problem is that there are still 3 undefeated teams so you need a tie breaker. The only reasonable way is by looking at the strength of schedule which I think you would be very hard pressed to argue that Penn. st.' s schedule has been more difficult than Texas Tech's. Don't worry though Penn St. is all but wrapped up with B-10 football. Here are a few of the the remaining teams between the two schools Oklahoma, Oklahoma St., LSU. And don't forget that both of these teams will have to go to a conference championship. Personally i don't see it, at least one of these schools remaining on the schedule is going to win and there ya go bigluke81, you're in. Just win the rest of your games. I still wouldn't put Auburn Past Alabama. Regardless of the comparison the Crimson tide Might be undefeated at that point and just ripe for the upset pickins.
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
TidePride:
Looks to me like Penn State has beaten #11 Ohio State - while Alabama owns a victory over #13 Georgia only. Alabama has played the 56th toughest schedule, while Penn State has played the 66th toughest, neither or which comes close to Texas' 7th or Florida's 10th toughest schedules. Both Alabama and Penn State are overranked IMHO.
fosterkeats
· 1 year ago
And Oregon St???
Southern Cal is playing well, but they LOST TO OREGON ST, who was destroyed by Penn St...
Everyone needs to stop their bitching and just watch the fucking games, it will work itself out...
geezz
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
keats:
What's your gripe here? I don't think that I said one word about USC. I said that Penn State owns a win over Ohio State - which may outrank Georgia at the moment. Nevertheless, neither team is Top Ten material.
So then, you want to point out that Penn State hammered Oregon State, which beat USC. Looks like your confirming my idea that maybe Penn State has played some tougher teams than Alabama has. I'm only defending Penn State's position against Alabama. Looks like your doing the same thing. It's all a mute point - because Alabama is never gonna get past Florida. Penn State may well get to the NC game. If they do - they may not deserve to. Going unbeaten against the weakest schedule of all of the top rated teams - does not impress me too much.
JaredIsKing
· 1 year ago
You sound like Al Gore, man.....we get it....Man Bear Pig is real.
BigLomba
· 1 year ago
No, Penn State is not for real. They have played such a terrible schedule. What needs to be done about this "injustice" is that the Big 10 needs to start scheduling some tough out-of-conference games. Oh, and also, maybe it's time for you babies to play a Conference Championship game. Sorry but I think everyone in the country is tired of seeing a Big 10 team coast into the Title Game just to get dominated. I would like to see a good National Championship this year instead of an SEC team destroying what is said to be a "for real" team.
bigluke81
· 1 year ago
Penn State gets screwed all the time thats what I'm tired of.They have plenty of undefeated seasons and only have 1 National Title to show for.The voters were even anti Penn State.Look @ what Joe Paterno has done.Hes 82 but he has another undefeated team.
OU_Fan
· 1 year ago
If Texas Tech beats Oklahoma State, OU is in the best possible situation that they could be in: OU's remaining schedule: @ ATM #2 Texas Tech #9 Oklahoma State
Kevin @ Fanblogs
· 1 year ago
Agreed... the table is set for OU. They just need to handle up & finish.
gatorhippy
· 1 year ago
The trouble with the B-12 is that there is a trend of the lower ranked team winning the championship game...
It's a likely trap game for OU or any other BCS CG contender from the B-12...
TidePride27
· 1 year ago
hope to see yall in atlanta "" ROLL TIDE ROLL""
gatorhippy
· 1 year ago
It would be nice...
But UF has to get by Vandy in Nashville and UF's favorite (soon to be second favorite) son in Hogtown...
Neither is a gimme...
"BC"
· 1 year ago
h/o. arkansas and vandy are gimmes you're forgetting about FSU and South carolina. those are y'alls toughest games left. and of course, alabama...
gatorhippy
· 1 year ago
Ummm...
I didn't forget about anything...
Hogtown = Gainesville...
UF's Favorite son (soon to be second) = Spurrier...
Vandy = Playing UF tough 60 % of the time over the last 19 seasons...
Noles = No input into the SEC CG chances...
Alabama = Still could screw up and miss the SEC CG...
"BC"
· 1 year ago
my bad. i wasnt familiar with all of the florida football slang terms. but anyway, Vandy is a gimme, and a loss to FSU would diminish your title hopes... but i think "UFs favorite son" has the best chance of all. he's got a tough team that's like Ole Miss on steroids. look out....
but of course, bottom line, for my money, a one-loss Florida will be playing an undefeated Alabama to see who gets in the BCS title game. it will be a game for the ages.
gatorhippy
· 1 year ago
Hmmm...
Florida Football Slang terms?
Hogtown is known as often being used to describe Gainesville in derogatory terms...
UF's Favorite Son undoubtedly needs no explanation to anybody that is an SEC fan and knows anything about conference history...
Speaking of conference history I suggest you look back at the past ninteen seasons of UF/Vandy games and see exactly how many times a sub .500 Dore team has taken UF to the wire...
And since TP27 and I were discussing Bama and UF being in the SEC CG, the Noles have absolutley ZERO bearing on the discussion...
Seriously, my young snot nosed friend....
Read some books, do some research and pay attention to the conversation...
TampaGator
· 1 year ago
LMAO!
I drafted a reply to that post, but declined to post it--deferring to you, since it was aimed at you anyway.
Just baffling that you would have to "decode" any of that for a "SEC Fan".
b/t/w: you missed one other point: Ark'y, in the future tense.
So much material from such a small post....
GO GATORS!!
Tyler_Tech
· 1 year ago
The game "for the ages" was played last Saturday in Lubbock. That game will be a Florida romp stomp.
grover
· 1 year ago
Agreed, but if Ok State beats Tx Tech, then OU is locked out of the big 12 championship game and therefore the national title.
AUtigerman
· 1 year ago
Im not sure i completely understand your logic. I guess your hoping for a 3 way tie. How would a 3 way tie in the Big 12 be handled?
gjones
· 1 year ago
bigluke, sull s..t! The Big 10 is weak and with no championship game, you people want to just waltz into the national championship game . . . while the Big 12 and SEC have a tougher schedule and an ADDITIONAL game to play against SUPERIOR competition. Respect??? You guys are a joke!
bevo
· 1 year ago
Is Tecas being punished because of Geo W?
gjones
· 1 year ago
Penn State respect? Give me a freaking break! The Big 10 overall is weak . . . PSU just has to stagger through an easy schedule . . .then no championship game? The Big 12 and SEC have an ADDITIONAL game against top ranked teams in a championship game to prove themselves. Penn State doesn't deserve respect!
Rolltide
· 1 year ago
Well let's not leave out the TIde, we can handle business at LSU, Mississippi State and Auburn, then we will take on Florida in the only true play off game in the entire US!!!!! We will see who's #1 then. Oh, yes and bare in mind that even if Florida beats Bama, the #1 will still come out of the SEC for the it will the last 4 out 5 take that you patsy conferences......
JaredIsKing
· 1 year ago
everyone knows the SEC sucks this year; the sagarin ratings put you at #4. MSU, LSU and AU suck. stop crying
TigerEducated
· 1 year ago
Yeah...#15 ranked, 6-2 team that can still make it to Atlanta...We sure suck...LOL...
ROLLTIDE_73
· 1 year ago
TE...you know how it is when your in a conference that is and has been on top, and your a team that has been on top like LSU people are going to jump at the chance to to take a shot when you show any sign of being down.This saturday should be a hell of a game.
TigerEducated
· 1 year ago
LSU has significant quarterback issues, though we may have found a blessing in disguise...Our starting safety-the QB for our defense-was injured shortly after kickoff.
We showed a SIGNIFICANT improvement in coverages, assignments, and getting the play in to the secondary on time...He played his responsibility and orchestrated the defense very well...
The guy is the much maligned nickelback in Danny McCray. He'll start for us next year, and if Curtis Taylor doesn't watch out, he'll take his job from him the rest of the way this year...
If we can stone the running game like we have against all but Florida & Georgia (Even against Georgia, they had two long runs, and other than that, were frustrated; they just did whatever they want through the air), then we can make it a game...
I do believe the early lines show that you'd be a TD favorite on a neutral field...I think it was -3 to open, though...
ROLLTIDE_73
· 1 year ago
I know this will be a great game I'm not going to make any predictions.I will never pic my team to loose. I'm just hoping for a clean game, and the officials to have their heads on right.
TigerEducated
· 1 year ago
I don't expect any penalties versus 'Bama...They are the least penalized team in the conference, and I don't think its because they are a disciplined team, either...
Since 2006, LSU has had less holding penalties called against it than any team in the conference...Any wonder we've had the best defensive line?
SEC officiating is a joke, but I wouldn't worry too much, at all...
Saban & Alabama hired Bobby Gaston's brother to work in their AD after he got there in a football related capacity...Considering Bobby is the head of officiating for the SEC Offices in Birmingham, I don't see a THING to worry about for you guys...
ROLLTIDE_73
· 1 year ago
Well i really meant good calls for both teams i just don't want any excuses on either side due to officiating
Wardboy3
· 1 year ago
On a side note TE...I see where your fav boy Bleed Crimson is wanting to bet someone on an Alabama game...wans't it just last week he turned you down b/c he needed his money...(excuses, excuses, excuses)...hmmmmm?? Call him out!!!
The_Observer
· 1 year ago
Well, TE backed down when I offered to step in for BC's bet, but he wouldn't take it. So if I were you Wardboy, I wouldn't get too carried away on TE calling anyone out.
TigerEducated
· 1 year ago
What I wouldn't get carried away with is some guy who doesn't ever mention which team he's a fan of, talking to anyone about any discussion in regards to college football...
What do YOU have to do with something I asked of BC?
How many times will I repeat that my issue isn't with you, it's with BC's silly self? You are interjecting yourself into a discussion you have no business in, nor a vested interest in. Do you think that if you continue to post about it, then suddenly and magically I'll start to care?
The_Observer
· 1 year ago
I interjected myself in a discussion to take the bet you seemed soooo eager to take with BC. It was painfully obvious that you didn't expect him to take the bet, yet you continued to belittle him over his unwillingness to wager you. Therefore I stepped in to prove a point...YOU ARE AFRAID TO TAKE THE BET YOURSELF! (I really feel like all caps are necessary.)
That point has been proven multiple times with you continually deflecting my points with questions about my fandom.
First of all, I don't see how this is relevant to you accepting my bet. I didn't realize that this information was necessary for you to proceed with a conversation. But since you can't seem to get past this issue, I am a born and raised Florida Gator fan, but I attended and graduated from the University of Alabama. I will defend both schools, but if they play in Atlanta this year, I am a Gator fan first.
I'm sorry I didn't greet you with a big "Hey guys, I'm a huge Gator fan and all I care about is being a Gator fan. So from now on, I am going to preface each of my posts stating that I like the Gators so it will be clear to everyone!"
Take my bet.
TigerEducated
· 1 year ago
No matter how much you interject, it won't sway my decision to tell you no...In other words, I don't care about what you think about what I say to BC, or what he's said to me...
Do you think if you continue to post or beg me to take the bet, that magically I suddenly care about it or I'll take you up?
Unless you're trained in the Jedi arts, you're sadly mistaken, so the quicker you get over yourself, the better for you...
I also figured you for an Alabama Fan...Just wanted to get it out there, as you've never stated one way or another...I apologize for being genuinely curious, as most others here clearly indicate who they're fans of. Sorry you're the only one who hasn't posted in a manner easy to figure that out.
Do yourself a favor...sh!t in one hand, and want me to give a sh!t about your posts in the other...You know the rest...But, please...Stop begging me to take you seriously or care about/give a damn about what you have to say when I'm talking to someone else.
So do yourself a favor and stop trying to wipe BC's bum for him...I have issue with HIM, and I really don't care-and I'm not sure how else I can emphasize how much I don't to you-about what you think of it...
Capisce?
The_Observer
· 1 year ago
You may ignore my post from this point on, but don't try to claim you haven't cared. I present to everyone TE's best impression of not giving a damn...
"An interesting observation is that someone must tirelessly try to talk smack to someone who has done nothing to them, and then start personally attacking them, and then try to point out that THEY are the pathetic ones.
I encourage you to continue with your amateur hour psychiatry angles, as they really add so much to the discourse here...
You're offering up critques of people or calling their sexuality or manhood into question while most of us are talking college football.
I care no more for your act than you care for mine, so by all means, either continue to post your tripe about my manhood, or perhaps finally choke down that I could care less what you think of me or my "pathetic angles".
What I won't do is pass judgement on you from a personal level. I won't take personal shots at your coach. I won't level or take shots at the coaches or programs you support. All of which BC regularly does. All of which fuels my ire that I direct at him. All of which you ignore...
Fair enough...but, please...get this out of your system, so we can take this back to a friendly, collegiate football level...
If I see an opportunity to bust BC's chops, I'm going to take it, because he never EVER owns up to his own hypocrisy or bashing his team's players. He's a classic frontrunner, and has proven himself time and again in this respect.
What you do is your business, but we're just about getting to the point where this is tiresome, tedious and troublesome...So, how about this...
From here on out, if you want to, just say whatever you like. Talk about how I'm a homo, or get mad because your own fans talk smack they won't back up, how I'm pathetic, whatever...Just please don't expect me to respond anymore...
You can just say that I'm just too pathetic to bother...I really don't care... "
"No matter how much you interject, it won't sway my decision to tell you no...In other words, I don't care about what you think about what I say to BC, or what he's said to me...
Do you think if you continue to post or beg me to take the bet, that magically I suddenly care about it or I'll take you up?
Unless you're trained in the Jedi arts, you're sadly mistaken, so the quicker you get over yourself, the better for you...
I also figured you for an Alabama Fan...Just wanted to get it out there, as you've never stated one way or another...I apologize for being genuinely curious, as most others here clearly indicate who they're fans of. Sorry you're the only one who hasn't posted in a manner easy to figure that out.
Do yourself a favor...sh!t in one hand, and want me to give a sh!t about your posts in the other...You know the rest...But, please...Stop begging me to take you seriously or care about/give a damn about what you have to say when I'm talking to someone else.
So do yourself a favor and stop trying to wipe BC's bum for him...I have issue with HIM, and I really don't care-and I'm not sure how else I can emphasize how much I don't to you-about what you think of it...
Capisce?"
"What I wouldn't get carried away with is some guy who doesn't ever mention which team he's a fan of, talking to anyone about any discussion in regards to college football...
What do YOU have to do with something I asked of BC?
How many times will I repeat that my issue isn't with you, it's with BC's silly self? You are interjecting yourself into a discussion you have no business in, nor a vested interest in. Do you think that if you continue to post about it, then suddenly and magically I'll start to care?"
"Have you ever mentioned what team you're a fan of? Obviously you aren't a fan of LSU...
Oh, and I don't blow anyone, The_Observer...I'll leave that to experts like yourself...
I've already said I don't want to bet YOU, I want to bet BC... "
"What does it matter whether he's in college or he's a deckhand on a tugboat?
Please point to the "malicious" things I've said about his coach? Never have I denigrated his intelligence. I have pointed out-time and again-his tendencies and his mindset, gleaned from experience...Nothing more.
I have said-time and again-that I harbor no ill will towards Nick, though I see right through him.
I'm not sure there's an actual job title for "Fanblogs Revisionist Historian" here, Observer...perhaps you might want to work on said powers of Observation...They're failing you these days...
I'm quite comfortable in my own hypocrisy, but in this case, your drummed up allegations aren't even close to accurate...
You can call me out all you like, I have neither the time nor the inclination to get into some bellicose back-and-forth with the likes of you...
I'm interested to know who you root for, though... "
"The bet is an attempt to make little BC here shut his yapper...
I proved my point...He's actually afraid of a coach and a team filled with said coach's recruits, yet he refers to the coach as mindless and erratic...
Yet he doesn't stop yapping about him...He's like Paris Hilton's Chihuahua whose stumbled upon her coke stash...all hyped up for no real reason, barking not necessarily for a reason, but just to do it...
I knew he was more interested in taking a shot in my coach than in showing faith in his own team-which is a hallmark of his posting habits here. I merely wanted to point it out and take him down a few notches on the ladder of success he's found his team's moved a few rungs up on.
In other words, I'm not betting you, I only want to bet little B_C... "
TigerEducated
· 1 year ago
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
The_Observer
· 1 year ago
I knew you cared for me TE!
Take my bet.
TigerEducated
· 1 year ago
Get. The. Last. Word.
The_Observer
· 1 year ago
I don't think so.
Mr2Bits
· 1 year ago
I thought you were an Oregon Fan?
The_Observer
· 1 year ago
No, but I do like ducks.
gatorhippy
· 1 year ago
Jeez...
And I thought I was long winded...
The_Observer
· 1 year ago
I'm a Gator fan, not an Alabama fan. I have ties and loyalties to Alabama, but I'm not a fan.
TigerEducated
· 1 year ago
What do you care for correcting someone so pathetic?
Don't you have 60 posts to copy & paste, for no apparent reason?
The_Observer
· 1 year ago
Stop responding to me. People are going to begin to think you care.
BTW, cutting and pasting your post is crazy easy with Disqus.
Take the bet.
mikiel
· 1 year ago
i dont think alabama is that good of a football team, they hardly beat teams that any other #1 team should clobber, also GO HAWKS against Penn State (or at least let shawn green have a good game)
fosterkeats
· 1 year ago
Alabama isn't good??? Do smoke crack???
"BC"
· 1 year ago
oh you mean we play conservatively once we get a big lead so we shouldn't be #1? gotcha.
nick saban doesn't throw 70 yd. TD passes with the 1st string offense when up by 35? you're right. we shouldn't be #1 we have a great running game and play possession offense instead of big play, big scoring? okay....
we win games. every game. in the SEC. therefore, we are #1. any questions?
BIG 12 FAN
· 1 year ago
Won't happen for OU...this year is all about Texas Tech! You should have already figured that out by now.
Pokefan69
· 1 year ago
IF a frog had wings it wouldn't bump its rear each time it hopped either. That's a BIG IF for Tech to beat OSU, but besides that it's even a bigger IF for OU to win out.
rallen56
· 1 year ago
gatorhippy, are you trying be nice. Surely you're not serious. I'm a Dawg fan and I hate Florida, but facts are facts. Florida is the best team in the SEC both in talent and execution. No team they have remaining on their schedule will hold them under 45 points. They will win the SEC Championship game going away. If any team ahead of them stumbles, they could very well be in the BCS Championship game.
ROLLTIDE_73
· 1 year ago
Not taking anything from Florida, but if we get the chance to play the gators we can beat them.I'm not saying that we will.I'm just saying we are capable of winning that game.
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
RollTide73:
You'll have no chance of ever winning that game. Alabama will be beat down by Florida by at least 24 points. Maybe next year though.
"BC"
· 1 year ago
put your money where your mouth is. i'll bet you $1 with as many zeros as you want, that alabama won't lose by more than 10 points, if we lose.
trust me, we're verrrry over-rated....
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
Bleed:
It's on. I'd watch out how many zero's that you put behind that though. Alabama has a very good, strong and powerful, defense. You have not developed enough team speed to contain Florida. Florida will get to the edge - and your LB's are not fast enough to stop them. Florida will not be running the ball "up the middle" as many of your slower opponents have. And, Florida has the best OL in the country - not Alabama. Florida also has a tremendous defense. Alabama will not run on Florida either. And, since Alabama can't throw the ball, I have no idea how your gonna score at all. It'll be a blowout, son. I appreciate your loyalty here, but you have not been watching real good football teams, for quite some time. I have. And, I know what one looks like. And, Florida looks like the National Champion to me. The only team that might beat Florida for the rest of this season is USC, and as is stated in the BCS bylaws, USC can never be allowed to play an SEC Champion in a BCS Bowl game. That there is in "the rules".
ROLLTIDE_73
· 1 year ago
I understand what your saying. and if you read what i wrote i said if we get the chance to play them. as for LSU i never said it would be a cakewalk we play this team every year i know it will be hard fought.as for team speed we have speed and if you look back you will see that Alabama has had three good recruiting years in a row. Shula was a good recruiter he just couldn't develop the talent he brought in.
"BC"
· 1 year ago
ya know tommy, ive realized that you, and the rest of the college football world forget a couple of things when it comes to alabama vs. florida:
1. Alabama laid a beatdown on the bulldawgs to. only it was in georgia, during the blackout game, when their team still had national championship dreams. and we have a POSSESSION style offense that won't score as many points as florida and their run-and-gun. (only, we did still put up 41 on the dawgs).
2. Alabama did what florida couldn't do: take care of business at home against ole miss.
so. i happen to think that while florida is a great team, so is alabama, and when the two play, it will be a close, hard-fought game. not a blowout by any means.
also another thing i think might help you change your mind. cuz i know exactly where you're coming from. you're basing your biased views on alabama's recent history of mediocrity. i can't really blame you, but go check rivals.com, Alabama had the talent on their team even last year. Alabama has really just been lacking leadership, team chemistry, and a business-like attitude that Saban has now 100% instilled into this team. also, Saban's defense is VERY complicated, and it takes a couple of years to get it down completely. you're right though, we don't have the depth and talent that florida has yet. but we're not too far off. but then we have better coaching and mentality. team mentality doesn't mean anything? well if the trojans and gators had it, there'd be 5 undefeateds at the top...
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
Bleed,
Like I've told you a thousand times - Alabama is well on their way. But, next year you'll probably have some kinda freshman QB over center. Next year might not be as good as this one. I am fully aware that Bama has had Top 20 recruiting classes for the last three years. I am well aware of what talent that they do have. Florida has had Top 5 classes for about four or five straight years. That is a huge difference. Top 20 seems pretty good - and it is. But, it is nothing like Top five classes are.
I'm really not tryin' to pick on you. I think that only Florida, USC and Penn State could beat Alabama this year. Your secondary is outstanding. The whole defense is what I would call good. And, I don't call too many defenses good. Your offense is lacking. The OL is very good. Coffee and Ingram are great backs. Julio Jones, along with a slew of other young WR's, are definately gonna be a force to be reckoned with. But, those receivers are very young. JP Wilson is a "servicable" QB at best. He has had some pretty good games - but he doesn't do it everytime out. His odds will be diminished against a team like Florida. The receivers will be covered. The only weakness in the Alabama team is the young WR's and the QB. Now, I liken Wilson to Matt Flynn, who won a MNC with LSU last year. So, in that regards, maybe it could be done. But, I kinda like to give the edge to last years Heisman winning QB, who happens to play for Florida - along with the junior WR called Percy Harvin. I think that Florida has a big edge in the QB and WR catagories. Also, the speed of Rainey and Demps lining up behind Tebow, create just too many mismatches for anybody to line up with. Honestly, I would not claim that Southern Cal could beat Florida. I only think that it might be interesting to find out.
Furthermore, a three point win over Mississippi, isn't hardly any different than a one point loss. It's only four points on the board. Florida's 39 point beatdown of Georgia, really sticks out by contrast, to Alabama having had to hold on in the 4th quarter. I suppose that if Florida were to fumble and throw some picks, then Alabama, could possible pull off an upset. What I will tell you for sure is this: Florida will be favored in that game. I will take Florida and whatever the line is - just like I did last weekend against Georgia.
After a few years of watching your team become very good - that's when your gonna realize what very good is. When Alabama can roll 50-60 points, without even really trying, then you will have reached the level of play that is consistant with a National Champion. When your reserves come in in the 2nd quarter, and still put up another 28 points, then you will know that you have arrived. Right now, Alabama must get off to an early lead, in order to hold off the other team in the 4th quarter. That is because there is a lack of depth. And, please don't tell me about how well you've played against Tennessee and Arkansas State. We'll find out this weekend if Alabama has taken another step upward. I'm still open to changing my mind as the team progresses.
TigerEducated
· 1 year ago
They've got Star Jackson & AJ McCarron coming in next year...
Star will be a RS freshman, and AJ is probably going to get redshirted...
McCarron is 170-175 pounds, max...We have a guy on our board whose a family friend of theirs, and in order to get AJ's expressed promise not to follow his MLB dreams (He'll probably go in one of the top 10 rounds of the MLB draft pick), Saban had to promise his family they would not recruit anymore quarterbacks in this class.
That's somewhat unlike Saban, but AJ's family had close family friend ties to LSU, and Saban could not lose another Mobile recruit to LSU after the likes of JaMarcus Russell, Chevis Jackson, & Sidell Corley & Phelon Jones...
Alabama is having a wonderful year following up a great recruiting class this year, and they'll be back, but not until the 2010 season. They'll be trying to shut people down on defense next year, because on offense, they will be very one-dimensional with first-time starters.
"BC"
· 1 year ago
good post. i can agree with most of what you said.
except a couple of things: 1. losing isn't anywhere close to winning. they're two opposite worlds entirely. no matter the margin of victory or defeat 2. Alabama doesn't just come hot out the gate, and then hang on for dear life because they aren't conditioned. it's the coaching scheme. the coaches try to take the air out of the game in what Saban refers to as the "4-minute offense." there's a reason we never win by a large margin, and it has nothing to do with conditioning. and if you acutally watched the Alabama/Georgia game, you would've known that the win was never in doubt. Georgia scored a last second TD, recovered an onside kick, and scored another TD, all on our 2nd team defense in the last throes of the game. not to mention a punt returned for a TD. our first team defense gave up 9 points. florida's gave up 10. florida scored 49, we scored 41. we're pretty damn close.
not in depth, but in team.
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
Bleed:
I didn't say anything about "conditioning". Nevertheless, the most well conditioned athletes need a "blow" from time to time. Also, I did see the entire Bama/Georgia matchup, and do understand that the game was not in question. Still, Alabama was running out of gas in the 2nd half. That was not conditioning - it had way more to do with "lack of depth". One good thing that Alabama will have going for them: by the time they do play Florida, very many more of those young players, will have gained enough experience to maybe be able to provide some quality depth for that game. Earlier in the season - they simply were not able to do that. Alabama will probably have a little more gas at the end of the season than they've had in the beginning.
gatorhippy
· 1 year ago
Dawgs scored their late TD on a combo of UF second and third stringers...
Gates even had some dudes that haven't seen the field this season out there...
Hell, there were cats that aren't even on the pre-season roster playing when the Dawgs finally got into the endzone...
"BC"
· 1 year ago
yeah. same for alabama. all im trying to say is this:
people think that alabama will get beat by florida in the same way georgia did. HELLO!! we dominated georgia to! we will more than hold our own against the gators. and im looking forward to what will be one helluva game.
gatorhippy
· 1 year ago
You'd be better served worrying about escaping the Bayou and reversing the Roids losing streak to the Barn...
Lose those two and there won't be any SEC CG if TE's boys win out...
"BC"
· 1 year ago
um yeah. so anyway. see you in atlanta...
TigerEducated
· 1 year ago
Whoa...So you won't bet me on the LSU game, for a measley $100, but you'll bet any amount that you can beat Florida? What a hypocrite...
I got news for you...if you're worried about LSU making a game of it, Florida will TORCH you...
Florida has more speed on offense than any team in the conferenceon either side of the ball since LSU's defense in 2003 or Auburn's defense in 2004...
Period, point blank, they will TORCH anyone on the field with them...They got the fire lit under them after the Ole Miss loss, and they mowed through great competition in LSU & Georgia...Say what you want, but you gave up 30+ points to Georgia, and Florida THROTTLED THEM...
You will get your doors blown off by Florida. PERIOD.
The_Observer
· 1 year ago
Once again TE, I WILL TAKE YOUR BET! How about you stop blowing the Gators for a minute and man up and accept your own bet!
Your tigers are going to lose to Alabama for $100.
TigerEducated
· 1 year ago
Have you ever mentioned what team you're a fan of? Obviously you aren't a fan of LSU...
Oh, and I don't blow anyone, The_Observer...I'll leave that to experts like yourself...
I've already said I don't want to bet YOU, I want to bet BC...
The_Observer
· 1 year ago
You're right, I'm not a fan of LSU (My brother and HIS family are LSU fanatics, but I suppose that isn't important).
Nice comeback! "I'll leave it to the experts" LOL!
I know you don't want to bet me! You wouldn't want to bet ANYONE that you thought might actually TAKE the bet! You are pathetic man. You are a very talented writer, but some of your angles are truly pathetic.
If you must know, I grew up in Fort Lauderdale as a lifelong Gator fan, but I ended up attending the University of Alabama, so I have a great deal loyalty to that place.
I couldn't be enjoying this season any more thoroughly (unless Ole Miss didn't Ole Miss us). On top of that, my Alma Mater is undefeated!
So, just get off your knees and take my bet.
TigerEducated
· 1 year ago
An interesting observation is that someone must tirelessly try to talk smack to someone who has done nothing to them, and then start personally attacking them, and then try to point out that THEY are the pathetic ones.
I encourage you to continue with your amateur hour psychiatry angles, as they really add so much to the discourse here...
You're offering up critques of people or calling their sexuality or manhood into question while most of us are talking college football.
I care no more for your act than you care for mine, so by all means, either continue to post your tripe about my manhood, or perhaps finally choke down that I could care less what you think of me or my "pathetic angles".
What I won't do is pass judgement on you from a personal level. I won't take personal shots at your coach. I won't level or take shots at the coaches or programs you support. All of which BC regularly does. All of which fuels my ire that I direct at him. All of which you ignore...
Fair enough...but, please...get this out of your system, so we can take this back to a friendly, collegiate football level...
If I see an opportunity to bust BC's chops, I'm going to take it, because he never EVER owns up to his own hypocrisy or bashing his team's players. He's a classic frontrunner, and has proven himself time and again in this respect.
What you do is your business, but we're just about getting to the point where this is tiresome, tedious and troublesome...So, how about this...
From here on out, if you want to, just say whatever you like. Talk about how I'm a homo, or get mad because your own fans talk smack they won't back up, how I'm pathetic, whatever...Just please don't expect me to respond anymore...
You can just say that I'm just too pathetic to bother...I really don't care...
The_Observer
· 1 year ago
Take my bet.
Oh, and your too pathetic to bother.
TigerEducated
· 1 year ago
No.
(Rinse, repeat)
The_Observer
· 1 year ago
You can't resist!
Take the bet, Papa wants some new shoes! (Courtesy of TigerEducated)
"BC"
· 1 year ago
you didnt read the terms.
Tommy is giving Alabama 10 points.
Alabama has never lost by more than 7 under Saban.
ROLLTIDE_73
· 1 year ago
If you truly believe that you are delusional.we have the best offence and defensive line Florida has faced all year they will not be able to run the ball. one thing you are correct on is this Alabama will be better next year.
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
RollTide73:
I know you guys are "fired up" over your team this year. And, rightly so, as Bama has played fantastic. One great recruiting class does not get you the overall team speed that Florida has. You are forgetting your own mantra. The very best team that the SEC has to offer, will have more team speed, than it's nearest rival will have. My bet is that Florida, with numerous top recruiting classes, has way more team speed than Alabama has. And, that will win the game. Maybe you guys ought to really worry more about LSU in this coming week. It's not gonna be the "cakewalk" that you think that it will be. You may not get lucky twice in the same year.
Bama_Babe
· 1 year ago
Are you referring this "luck" to the Georgia game??
Everybody hear that?? When Alabama goes out and dominates a good team, it's LUCK! Alabama should not be the number 1 team because: 1) they don't blow their opponents out every week. 2) Nick Saban is the coach. 3) they play in the SEC. 4) all their "quality wins" have resulted from luck. 5) these wins that would have been a "quality win" before the game was played, now is a win against "an overrated team".
BS.
Bama is #1...FOR THIS WEEK! All you haters think that us Bama fans automatically think that this means we will win out and play in the NC game. Wrong. All it means is that Alabama can only itself. Let me tell you this, the LSU game will not be a "cakewalk" by any means, and we know this.
Florida is Florida, and we'll worry about them once we win the West.
TigerEducated
· 1 year ago
B_B...I'm sorry, boo, but you guys have not watched a UF game all year if you think you guys can stop them...
That's just an opinion, but its a pretty informed one...
Having said that, I have on reason to say that you aren't #1, and I do not think you've gotten here by luck...
ROLLTIDE_73
· 1 year ago
then how in the world did Ole Miss pull the unthinkable off???? they can be and have been beaten.Just because LSU couldnt or Georgia doesnt mean it cant be done.
TigerEducated
· 1 year ago
Because they're Ole Miss, and Florida thought to themselves, "They're Ole Miss."
When Florida is up for a game, they are not going to be beaten. Period.
We can agree to disagree, and considering you're a fan of Alabama, I can see why you would...
I'm just saying that I have seen them place twice, and I've watched you cats play a few times, as well, and the disparity in speed is redonkulous...You are tooled and schemed to stop an offense that doesn't exist in Gainesville...You also don't have the depth to compete with the speed on the field...
You are a very bad matchup against Florida...
Sorry, but that's just my opinion...
Bama_Babe
· 1 year ago
TE,
Yes, I have watched Florida play in many games this year. That Florida team that played Ole Miss is NOT the same team that played LSU and Georgia. This new found team is scary good - as I stated in another post.
When I said we'll "worry about them" I wasn't saying Bama would win. If it ends up Bama-Florida in ATL, then we'll worry about Florida then. Not now. We have business to finish. :)
...Starting with your team this weekend! ;)
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
Bama_Babe:
The "luck" is that Georgia isn't their normally "very good" selves this year. Neither is LSU. That would be the 2nd "luck". If those two teams were up to their usual standards, this might have been a completely different year, in very many aspects.
Bama_Babe
· 1 year ago
Understood. But you have to give credit where credit is due. Bama is 9-0. Nothing can be done about how the teams that were supposed to be great turned out to be a disappointment. All Bama can do is continue to win and their fate is in their own hands.
But I don't think it's "luck" how the season has turned out so far. Auburn was supposed to be good. Clemson was supposed to be good. Georgia was supposed to be great. Bama was supposed to be decent at best. "Luck" has nothing to do with any of that. It's simply who is executing and who is not. So far, Alabama is. That's all I'm sayin'...
"BC"
· 1 year ago
good point.
Bama_Babe
· 1 year ago
*can only hurt itself.
ROLLTIDE_73
· 1 year ago
You are absolutly right ...
SoCalShawn
· 1 year ago
Hey Tommy, Not a team in the country wants to play USC. They all know when the Trojans are on their game, they can't be beat. We need a playoff format in college
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
SoCalShawn:
Are you new? Yawn....So, you think that a playoff might be benificial for some really good teams? Or, do you think that it will only benefit Southern Cal? If you believe that USC would benefit the most - then that would be the reason that it will probably not happen. Good luck getting that legislation past the SEC, Big 10 and Big 12 conferences.
TigerEducated
· 1 year ago
You are so unbelievably wrong about Florida its not funny...
Just like the Georgia fans thought they had a shot...You are simply not watching them play if you don't see what they do in space...
They are faster than Usain Bolt after a hit off a crackpipe...
Your defense is built to stop the zone run game that teams like Georgia & LSU run, but they put the rush game into space, and they will eat you alive.
Florida is the class of this conference, and its not up for debate...
ROLLTIDE_73
· 1 year ago
well you have been wrong about alabama before(all season so far) we will have to see how it unfolds
TigerEducated
· 1 year ago
ROLLTIDE_73,
Just like I won't ever pick LSU to lose, I'll more likely than not never pick Alabama to win, though when most were talking up Kentucky, I predicted an easy win for you all, as I did with Tennessee...
ROLLTIDE_73
· 1 year ago
That's understandable....... as for the Florida match up don't get me wrong they are good, and like you said we can a agree to disagree...
Tyler_Tech
· 1 year ago
Alabama and Florida both have good defense, Alabama has the edge on defense but do you guys really think that will matter? Florida has more offensive speed than any team in the country. Alabama cannot throw the ball at all! Florida will thrash anyone with james and Harvin.
ROLLTIDE_73
· 1 year ago
I do think that will matter we are good against the pass as well as the run.and we can throw the ball we dont pass as much because we run so well.
Tyler_Tech
· 1 year ago
That is true but championship teams always have a game where they are down and must rely on the their QB to win the game. Do you really believe wilson can do this??
ROLLTIDE_73
· 1 year ago
In the past no this year yes
Tyler_Tech
· 1 year ago
He might be able to, I guess we will have to see.......
"BC"
· 1 year ago
good point. idk. i really dont.
i do know that unless you load the box, wilson won't have to pass. i also know that if wilson is pressured, he isn't worth a damn. but i also know that he can get lucky on a deep ball every once in a while.
so i have no clue.
wilson has proven to me that he won't LOSE the game for us, but he's still yet to prove that he can win it for us.
gatorhippy
· 1 year ago
No, I'm not being nice...
Gators are traditionally played tough by Vandy and Spurrier is like a fox sneakin' in the henhouse when he comes to the Swamp...
Even peek past either to look at a SEC CG shot and they'll drop one...
That's not even counting the freakin' game against Fraudulently Scholastic U...
Who would love nothing more than to a put a veer in the course for a MNC shot...
OU_Fan
· 1 year ago
Have you forgotten about Bobby Bowden and the Florida State Seminloes? To me, that seems like the trap game...
gatorhippy
· 1 year ago
Apparently you don't read very well, chief...
Please take a look at the 4th line...
OU_Fan
· 1 year ago
Apparently, I overlooked that line. My mistake.
Porcine
· 1 year ago
No longer Free Shoes University?
gatorhippy
· 1 year ago
If you prefer...
Or...
Forcibly Subdued University in honor of Geno "Taze" Hayes...
U.of S.C.1978
· 1 year ago
My friend, you are not only full of crap, your idiocy is oozing out left and right. I'll take that 45 point bet! Not only that, Florida is gonna get a game, not a given.
BCSforme
· 1 year ago
If the Big Ten wasn't such a joke, this would not be happening to Joepa.
Regan
· 1 year ago
I think it will be PSU-FLA for the BCS Title Game.
Ramblin' Gator
· 1 year ago
At the moment, I would have to agree with you. I don't see anyone beating PSU through the end of the season and I don't see the Gators losing unless they beat themselves. This seems unlikely considering how the Gators are playing right now. They remind me of how UGA played after the WLOCP last year. Meanwhile, Texas Tech has a murderous schedule ahead and I suspect UF will skip ahead of UT by defeating Bama in the SECCG.
Of course, I'm a homer. :-)
Joetheplumber
· 1 year ago
Penn State is going to be in the national championship game. I understand that they are undefeated and have respect for Paterno but I am also sure that they would have 2 or possibly 3 losses if they had a Texas or Florida schedule. You cannot compare apples and oranges. WE NEED PLAYOFFS.
1Tomcat
· 1 year ago
Thanks Joe
Alan
· 1 year ago
Did anyone else notice how tight it is between 20 to 25? Not much of a margin for error.
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
A) The BCS does not matter at all until you get to the top 16, an mostly only the top 14 and top 2 matter.
B) The amount of BCS points earned by thuis pack are much closer to what one would expect for an ORV team, indicating that this pack really does not belong in the top 25. Maybe one could argue this pack all just barely qualify for the top 25.
NMLSooner
· 1 year ago
If the PLAYOFFS began next Saturday: 8 North Carolina @ 1 Alabama 5 Oklahoma State @ 4 Utah 6 TCU @ 3 Florida 7 Georgia @ 2 Texas 8 Ball State @ Texas Tech 5 Boise State @ 4 USC 6 Ohio State @ 3 Oklahoma 7 Missouri @ 2 Penn State
"BC"
· 1 year ago
y'all ready for the weekly BC poll? only the truest poll in college football. i take the current top 10 BCS standings, and rearragne them to make more sense. using the following formula: 2 parts talent, 1 part SOS, 1 part record
talent 1. USC 2. Florida 3. Alabama 4. Oklahoma 5. Penn State 6. Texas 7. Texas Tech 8. Oklahoma State 9. Boise State 10. Utah
SOS 1. Texas 2. Florida 3. Alabama 4. Oklahoma State 5. Oklahoma 6. Texas Tech 7. USC 8. Penn State 9. Utah 10. Boise State
record T1. Alabama T1. Texas Tech T1. Penn State T1. Utah T1. Boise State T6. Florida T6. USC T6. Oklahoma State T6. Oklahoma T6. Texas
BC POLL 1. Alabama - 10 2. Florida - 12 3. USC - 15 T4. Oklahoma - 19 T4. Penn State - 19 T4. Texas - 19 7. Texas Tech - 21 8. Oklahoma State - 26 9. Boise State - 29 10. Utah - 30
i love this poll. "it takes out the BS in the BCS, and just gives you the BC"
OU_Fan
· 1 year ago
Hilarious. But I like the idea..
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
On what is the talent based?
How is Ball State not tiesd for #1 with Record? Is 9-0 not better than 8-0?
(edited to remove non top 10)
Record: T1: Texas Tech (9-0) T1: Alabama T1: Penn State T1: Utah 5: Boise State (8-0) T6: Texas (8-1) T6: Oklahoma T6: Oklahoma State T9: Florida (7-1) T9: USC (7-1)
This would put Florida to 15, USC to 18 and Bosie State to 33.
"BC"
· 1 year ago
the talent portion is based on my keen eye for talent, combined with my knowledge of past recruiting class rankings.
and i'm just focusing on the BCS top 10, and rearranging them, so Ball State isn't in the mix.
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
Bleed:
I gotta step out and take care of some business. I'm curious to see how the real recruiting numbers line up with: "the talent portion is based on my keen eye for talent, combined with my knowledge of past recruiting class rankings".
I'm gonna combine the "Scout and Rivals" ratings for the last five years. What we're gonna be looking for is the "average rating" of each player recruited. The last five years will be used, as there are very many RS Seniors, dotting everybody's rosters for this year. We'll also take in how many players were recruited. Keep in mind: the more players that were recruited = the more players that "bombed out" or could not cut it in class. I think that NCAA college football teams are limited to 84 scholarship athletes. So, the average number of recruits per season, should be around 18-19 - of which about half will be redshirted. Keep in mind: that a large recruiting class does not necessarily equate to "the best class". It's the "average rating" per player that is the critical issue. I will show you those ratings later this evening. We'll see who all is really in the Top Ten. That is your yardstick. I will not be surprised to see both Florida and LSU in the Top Five overall.
"BC"
· 1 year ago
sorry but you can't do that with the talent portion. talent is more than rivals.com. it's also how the talent is developed.
for example, you know with a good coaching staff like Carroll, Saban, and Meyer, that the talent is being developed very well. but look at Notre Dame. they are probably in the top 5 over the last 5 years, but they can't develop. look at Texas on the defensive side of the ball.
and also, im just looking at the BCS top 10, and rearranging them. i dont have time to rank the top 25 like that.
my keen eye for talent, and SOS, is what makes the BC Poll, well, the BC poll...
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
Bleed:
Here you go. This is the "Scout Rating". We can add Tennessee, Penn State and Texas Tech just for some giggles. This will give us fifteen teams to look at.
Bleed, once again, this is very interesting. You are right about Penn State - they sure don't have too much talent. Looks like I'm right about Texas Tech - as they don't have much either. Once again, both Alabama and Auburn, have the highest turnover of all teams. And this time, USC, Ohio State, Penn State and Texas have the lowest turnover ratios.
Again, Bleed, it is very interesting to me that both scouting services have Southern Cal and Florida ranked #1 and #2. Meanwhile, they don't seem to be too impressed with Alabama's overall recruiting classes over the last five years. Are you still willing to risk even one lousy dollar on the Florida game? And, Bleed, please stop with the "coaching crap" - as most all of these teams have very fine coaching. Do you understand what I am talking about yet? You don't have enough talent. The higher turnover rates make for an even younger team than normal. Alabama does not have enough talent or experience to win a MNC. Penn State and Texas Tech look just about equally as bad.
"BC"
· 1 year ago
i appreciate the research. and you're right. on paper, Alabama gets crushed by USC and Florida, and there's no way they can win a NC. and i agree that it is unlikely that Alabama can beat either of these teams at this point due to the difference in depth and talent. but you know what they say. any given saturday my friend...
but look, when looking at depth, past recruiting rankings mean everything, because you haven't seen the backups play yet. however, when it comes to on-field talent, you can just watch them on TV. any amatuer can tell that Alabama's defense is better than Georgia's, although recruiting rankings will disagree. and how do you explain things like: alabama's best saftey, all-SEC Rashad Johnson was a walk-on... as far as on-field talent goes, you've just gotta watch. NFL scouts don't look at high school recruiting rankings, they watch the games. catch my drift?
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
Bleed:
Every program has walk-ons. Alabama is not the only team that builds up players. USC has Clay Matthews, Jr. playing at LB and DE. He may be a 1st round NFL draft choice. He is a walk-on player. We have had several others. We've had many 3-star recruits become All-American's. It happens all day long at many schools. It's a matter of recruiting - once again. You do understand that you have to evaluate your walk-ons don't you? It's a matter of evaluating talent. I'm not knocking your coach. I know that he knows talent. My point is that he's only been there two years. Anybody that he has brought in - has not even made a full impact yet. Don't even tell me about Julio Jones. He's nothing compared to what he will be. He looks great to Bama fans because it's all you got right now. Mike McCoy could not start for most teams. Recruiting is what wins games. And then the recruits have got to gain experience. The more the merrier. You can argue until your blue in the face. I haven't overlooked anything. I understand football inside and out. You can keep bringing up your hypothetical's, "Well, did you think of this or that", but it doesn't change the fact that Alabama is gonna be outgunned at some point. Saban has done a masterful job at keeping you unbeaten so far. Why don't you go and ask Nick Saban if he disagree's with me? I'll bet you your "Girlfriend's Daddy's Estate" that he knows exactly what Alabama is facing down.
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
Bleed:
Sorry, but I'm gonna post it anyway, as I promised. Besides, Notre Dame does not rate. There are twelve different teams that ranked in the "Rivals" Top 25 in all of the last five years. As I mentioned before, with (84) scholarships to hand out, the average would be around 18-19 per year (with about half a class being redshirted). The number in parenthesis is the average number of scholarships handed out for each year. The other number is the average player rating.
Rivals Top 25 recruiting classes (last five years):
Just as I might have suspected, Bleed. Not only does Alabama have a low talent rating - they also have the highest turnover of all of these teams. Curiously, both Alabama and Auburn have high turnover margin compared to all these other teams. It means that many players can't cut it either in the classroom or on the football field. The lowest turnover margins are with Ohio State, USC and Texas. These three schools seem to be more able to recruit players who are gonna stay on the field. These are the actual recruiting ratings. You can clearly see which teams might have the most talent in the country. It really is not surprising at all. And, it kinda points to the fact that "coaching" really does not have to do with much. It seems to indicate that talent will win you alot of games. I'll post the "Scout" ratings for you next. Enjoy these.
"BC"
· 1 year ago
hmm.... coaching doesn't mean much?
then why do Michigan, Miami, and Auburn all suck this year? how did Alabama lay an absolute beatdown on Georgia in Athens? coaching is everything in college football...
AUtigerman
· 1 year ago
You dont really want anyone to explain the Georgia win to you do you?
Aided on every scoring drive except 2 by penalies or turnovers and you still had to hold on to win. Dont make me give you the play by play, but Georgia handed you that game. If you can finish out with wins over LSU,Miss St. AU, and Florida then ill have no doubt that your deserving of a #1. But for now youve only beat 1 team ranked in the top 43 in the country you need to just chill. And btw they did get distroyed but it was by Florida not Bama
Bama_Babe
· 1 year ago
Yeah, too bad Auburn sucks...
Could have helped out our SOS come November 29th..
OU_Ron
· 1 year ago
edit
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
Okay, I have Bleed down Does this mean that I can also put you on the list of people over-looking Auburn in the Iron Bowl this year, BB?
Bama_Babe
· 1 year ago
WEA, I was just taking a stab at AUtigerman since he was trying to discredit Bama's ranking..
No, I'n not over-looking anyone. Especially the two Tiggers left on the schedule...
;)
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
Alabama is deserving of their ranking, according to every accordance of precedent in all the polls. But they have at least one tough regular season game left, plus the conference CG. That's something that Penn State doesn't have, and slowly but surely, the polls are starting to recognize that fact.
Both teams in the Iron bowl have a rich history of knocking off the stronger team on paper, and frankly, that's about all we Barners have to cling to now, along with our guns and religion...
Tyler_Tech
· 1 year ago
Auburn "sucks", you are going to be in the fight of your life in that game. Smashing your number 1 rank, (assuming you will still be there) is something that would motivate the hell out of those tigers. Some senior aurburn players would probably love to leave auburn with an undefeated mark against you all...................
Bama_Babe
· 1 year ago
I was not saying Alabama automatically wins that game because their record is better than Auburn's. I think I referenced the "sucks" part with SOS.
Get past your "gauntlet" of a schedule remaining undefeated, and then come back and we can talk about who's number one..
;)
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
Yea, that would be grand, but if not, just like Meatloaf sang, three outta four ain't bad...
"BC"
· 1 year ago
ohhhh. so that's the tune auburn will be singing after thanksgiving weekend. "six out of seven...." haha. typical auburn fans. living in the past...
1Tomcat
· 1 year ago
AU fans living in the past ROFLMAO this coming from a Bama fan- purty funny BC
OU_Fan
· 1 year ago
No kidding. Bama fans are one of kind.
Bama_Babe
· 1 year ago
I know this.
I'm focused on LSU at the moment, and looking forward to my trip down to Red Stick this weekend.
Miss St. should not be over-looked either - as we have been "Croomed" the past two years.
Then, the good ol' Iron Bowl. Auburn will play the best game they've played all year, no doubt about it. (Not that they have to try really hard to accomplish that ;) )
And IF we get through those games unharmed, we will focus of Florida.
Speaking of the LSU game this weekend, I ran across this billboard that will "welcome" Saban back to Red Stick...
Wasnt trying to discredit them. I was trrying unsucessfully i might add to get BC to chill. My point btw is is a good point. And so is yours but im a bit down now that the Babe has slammed me.
"BC"
· 1 year ago
go away man. come back when you've recovered from your season. youre obviously a little shaken up right now. understandable. soon you'll get back in the groove of things. Alabama - big | Auburn - small i know you forgot over the past 6 years...
AUtigerman
· 1 year ago
Well in some ways i hope you beat us id hate to not hear from you anymore. After you jumped from a tall building or something like that.
OU_Fan
· 1 year ago
I'm going to laugh my @#$ off if Auburn pulls away with the win... Technically, until Bama beats Auburn I would think that Bama fans wouldn't have room to talk... But maybe I'm wrong.. BOOMER!
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
Bleed:
Coaching and game strategy do play a large part. It's even easier with more talent. Auburn had a terrible recruiting class (by their standards) four and five years ago. Throw in the "new spread offense", because of that lack of talent, and Auburn is primed for a bad year. When Tuberville was recruiting well - he was a great coach. Now, that he isn't - he's not. I'm not so sure that Randy Shannon is a great coach. Miami does have talent and is not winning. I suspect that they could have done better. Rich Rod has mangled up Michigan pretty good. He's even figured out how to destroy the defense. Seems as if he can't figure out Big 10 offenses. But, all of the other coaches are pretty good. Read my post again. I said, "Most of the coaches".
Bevo_Boy
· 1 year ago
You do realize that you didn't put Ball State on your list either right?
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
Notice the edited to remove non top 10 teams.
I realized after postin gthat BC had specifically stated that he only considered the current top 10.
Ball State does not fit. I should have edited that line that refered to them as well.
1Tomcat
· 1 year ago
The BC poll = the B/S poll thats what it is B/S
"BC"
· 1 year ago
haha. come on tomcat. i've got you at #4! that's not bad considering a loss to texas TECH is it? TECH man. any school that loses to a TECH, can't honestly expect to go to the NC game. haha
1Tomcat
· 1 year ago
BC I'm just a fan, the Horns have to get ready for BU, if they dont bring their A game they could drop a couple more. You have to respect TTech they are a good team. Right now they are undefeated and will face tough teams from here on out. please read my comments below on this thread and try to understand that Bama wouldnt stand a chance of running the table in the B-12 and yall will probably drop a couple before its over, man I would love to see a Texas vs Bama or Texas vs Fla Bowl game, then after yall lose, you can continue with your Bias rants. The Bama team that I've seen couldnt stop TTech, OK State, or OU much less Texas, keep on dreaming because yall might get a chance to face one of those teams and they will give yall a better game than PSU Hookem-Horns
"BC"
· 1 year ago
no doubt all of those teams would pose a better threat than PSU, and i would love to see Alabama play a B12 team, but as of right now, it doesn't look likely. Alabama will most likely either play for the NC or play in the Sugar Bowl, and i dont think a B12 team can play in either of those games.
but just a thought: if TT's defense could shut down colt mccoy, imagine how bad he'd do against Alabama, with better defenders at every position... and if TT's O-line could dominate y'all's D-line, imagine how big the holes would be against an SEC O-line with 2 '09 NFL first rounders and 2 all-SECers....
OU_Ron
· 1 year ago
Bleed, you might should get thru the season first before choosing where at and what Bowl Bama is going to play in, they still have to get thru the Tigers ( both of em ) first.....
OU_Fan
· 1 year ago
No kidding Ron. Bleed Crimson acts as if Bama is automatically going to win out and go to the national championship game. I know its been a long time for Bama fans, but wow.......
"BC"
· 1 year ago
well the only way i'd be wrong is if: we lost to LSU and Auburn. and LSU wins their remaining games. if that doesn't happen, we're at least going to the Sugar Bowl.
OU_Ron
· 1 year ago
That was my point Bleed, Bama still has LSU and Auburn to play......you may think the LSU game is a give me, but I think it's gonna be a lot, and I do mean a lot closer than you think...
"BC"
· 1 year ago
no, i think the LSU game is a toss-up with a slight edge to Alabama. i think we could drop that game. but no way will we lose 2 out of the remaining 3.
1Tomcat
· 1 year ago
The Bama team has never faced a team like Texas, In all likelyhood yall will drop one or two and go to the Cotton, BTW If they shut us down as you say then how did they score 33 points- second lowest scoring game for the Horns- probably higher than yalls average FYI Texas rush defense is one of the best nationally and yall couldnt run the as ball effectively as you might think, yall would be forced to throw the ball and yall couldnt hang with that kind of offensive shootout. The only hope would be to grind it out on the ground and keep it away from the Texas offense.
"BC"
· 1 year ago
ever think that maybe the reason Texas' run defense is so good is because nobody in the B12 rushes the ball? why don't you look and see how they rank in defending the pass....OUCH
and lemme tell ya. if Texas Tech could dominate your D-Line, then Alabama would pancake your entire line on every play. The only offensive line in the country that i'd consider being better than Alabama's would be LSU's
This Texas team has never faced a team like Alabama. they'll dominate you up front, force you to go one-on-one with receivers, then we'll hit you with a big pass to make you come back to your senses. Texas would in no way be able to stop Alabama's offensive attack. Texas simply doesn't have the defensive front to match up with their running game. the question is whether or not Alabama would be able to stop Texas' offense. The Answer: If Texas Tech could put McCoy in the dirt, and shake him up, then Alabama would bring significant pressure on every play. Alabama's defensive front is top-notch. we rank in the top 5 nationally in stopping the run, and we've faced Knowshon Mareno, CJ Spiller, and James Davis. and if you think for a second that any of your receivers will EVER have good seperation, you are wrong. like those big TD passes McCoy throws where the receiver has 10 yds on the closest defender - - those never happen against Alabama. in our secondary we have two All-SECers, one of the nation's best kick returners, and the best secondary coach in the country - Nick Saban... don't get me wrong, Colt would still pass the ball. but i think y'all would only score about 10 points on our defense, we would dominate TOP, and we'd put up about 31 on y'alls defense. as the nation saw in the TT game, Colt can't handle pressure very well...
OU_Fan
· 1 year ago
BC, Alabama wouldn't be able to beat Texas Tech in Lubbock. Believe it or not, teams that play night games in Lubbock, TX struggle to leave with the W......
"BC"
· 1 year ago
oh really? we dominated in Athens in front of 90,000+ for a blackout game we dominated in Knoxville in front of 100,000+ for a rivalry game but we'd fall apart in front of a sold out high school stadium....
Tyler_Tech
· 1 year ago
Go ahead jump on that band wagon. You cannot really judge our stadium based on numbers. A couple of longhorns last night said it was just as loud as a 100 k game last SAT. Do not worry were renovating, etc. Come on man do not judge something you have never experienced. When these guys tell you it is hard to come out with a win at night it is because that is the way it is. Good luck against LSU you are going to need it. LSU doesn't do well against spread teams, I think they do well against you............
1Tomcat
· 1 year ago
Sorry BC he's right, same thing about Austin & Norman BTW I think Jones stadium holds 56,000 if Im not mistaken
OU_Fan
· 1 year ago
Tomcat, ask Bleed Crimson how tough of a place such as Bear Bryant Stadium and its 92,000 fans did against the ULM Warhawks on 17 Nov 2007? Here's a hint: Bama lost 21-14....
BOOMER!
OU_Fan
· 1 year ago
Bleed Crimson, explain to me how that 2007-2008 Alabama Crimson Tide team did against the University of Louisiana at Monroe Warhawks on 17 Nov 2007????? If you forgot, I'll refresh your memory. The final score was 21-14 ULM. Now, explain to me how that 92,000 Alabama strong in Tuscaloosa contributed?? I am looking forward to your answer......
"BC"
· 1 year ago
they didn't contribute well at all. the game was in the middle of the day, the team was falling apart, and the culmination was an embarrassing loss at home. that was 2007. this is 2008.
and how does that in any way prove that Lubbock's 56,000 stadium is more intimidating than Athens, Knoxville, and the GA Dome?
OU_Fan
· 1 year ago
Its not. I'm only saying that even with those extremely large football crowds the W is not always guaranteed. I don't disagree that places that seat in the high 90's and 100 thousand aren't intimidating because they are, but some of the smaller places can be intimidating as well. Autzen Stadium is considered to be one of the toughest places to play in college football. And its capacity isn't even close to 90,000 but with the design of the stadium, those smaller crowds can get pretty loud. And thats what I think about Lubbock. Not to mention, its in the middle of bum #$%! Texas.
PrinceMarko
· 1 year ago
Fulmer is out at Tennessee! ESPN reporting.
Tyler_Tech
· 1 year ago
Good thing no one cares about your poll, because you are the most biased fan on the site......
"BC"
· 1 year ago
i am very biased towards the top of the Big 12
they don't play defense worth a damn. i hear the announcers hyping up TT's big ol' 290 lb nose tackle who's been wreaking havoc all game long... what would Texas do against Alabama's 370 lb. nose? who manhandled last year's rimington trophy winner (also in the SEC).....
i see receivers wide-ass open all game long, and QBs having 10 seconds to get the ball out. say what you will, but the SEC has the best defensive fronts in the country. NO QUESTION. even in our down year. also, the best Offensive lines to counter it. NO QUESTION.
I think it's a shame that because of the media's love affair with the longhorns, they will get the nod over a one-loss Florida or Alabama. despicable...
Tyler_Tech
· 1 year ago
So you are really pround of some physical stats, how would your D-line do against our O-line. How about for example maybe Rylan Reed? The man bench presses 625 pounds. He also held orakpo to 0 sacks, who was hyped as the best D-lineman in college football. I know the SEC has some fine athletes but if you believe the big 12 doesn't have any good athletes, you are mistaken.......................
Porcine
· 1 year ago
Reed signed with Arkansas out of high school but went with pro baseball. This puts you guys at 3rd choice at best.
gatorhippy
· 1 year ago
Big freakin deal...
Tebow was throwing 225 up 25 times as a freshmen...
Which converts to roughly a 676 lb. one rep press...
After three springs and summers of conditioning, he more than likely will bench press your car...
However, the BP and it's pectoral isolation is a relatively useless exercise in training for performance...
Much more important are multi-group lifts like C&J and Squats...
Which Timmy also happens to lift with the lineman because it's the only group that can keep up with him in lifting...
Tyler_Tech
· 1 year ago
Sounds like he should slowly make the transition to fullback or mike back with those talents...
gatorhippy
· 1 year ago
You would think...
But when matched up with his ability to lead and manage the offense...
He's most dangerous takin' the snaps...
Career numbers of tossing 51TDs to 9 INTs pretty much solidifies his worth as a QB...
OU_Fan
· 1 year ago
Don't both with BC. Maybe he is or maybe he is not aware that Bama has a losing record against the Big 12 conference. 14-16-2...
BOOMER! Wreck'Em (at least this weekend)
Tyler_Tech
· 1 year ago
Nice stat find. I thought they were undefeated with the way they talk.........
Porcine
· 1 year ago
Cody had about 2 tackles in that game, I would have to look it up.
"BC"
· 1 year ago
maybe because he was being double-teamed by the rimington trophy winner and another guy?? he never really makes a lot of tackles. his main job is to occupy 2 blockers, push the pocket, and to keep blocks off of our LBs he is REALLY effective. which is why he is projected to go NFL after 1 year in Div 1A football.
Porcine
· 1 year ago
You guys run a 3-4, he's always going to be double teamed resulting in a stale-mate.
1Tomcat
· 1 year ago
BC Texas would beat Alabama and we might face yall in a bowl this season I sure hope so- aint no way yall could outscore Texas Yalls outstanding D hasnt faced any outstanding O's That Texas D would do well against that Bama O if our defense aint worth a dam how come we held Arkanas to 10 points and Bama gave up 14? to the same team I saw an outstanding defensive performance against the #1 offense in the country I saw a true freshman drop an interception and another miss a tackle against the #1 receiver in America- with 1 second left. Media dont love us- they like Fla, OU, USC etc etc We got to earn it- yall will probably drop one and meet Texas in a Bowl I cant wait Hookem-Horns
Tyler_Tech
· 1 year ago
The game i really wanna see is Florida vs. Big12 champ. We will have to see how it plays out but I believe TX,OU and tech could compete and possibly beat them. That is right gator hippy I concur that you are the best team in the country right now. The thing that baffles me is the lack of respect from the SEC ers. Are we the only 2 that watched the game Tomcat? The way both of our lines went at each other was some really really good quality action!
gatorhippy
· 1 year ago
I watched it...
And I was impressed until TT let the Horns back in it and needed a desperation toss up and missed tackle to win...
I'll tell you now, young Tyler, where the lack of respect stems from...
Watching the lower or unranked team in the B-12 CG win 50% of the time since it's inception...
The .468 win percentage in the BCS...
It's just hard to take the B-12 seriously...
1Tomcat
· 1 year ago
Your liabel to take the B-12 seriuosly after your team loses their Bowl game to a B-12 team, only then will you see the light.
OU_Fan
· 1 year ago
Thats kind of the way I feel about Flordia right now. Especially after the Michigan loss.
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
Tyler_Tech:
"The way both of our lines went at each other was some really really good quality action"!
What? I didn't see any line play at all. I saw defensive linemen waltzin' up toward the QB. I did see McCoy on the ground about two or three times - but I never saw Harrell hit the turf even once. I'm sorry - that's not quality line play. Wide Receivers were open all over the field. Cause: lack of defensive pressure. No blitzing at all. No defense - period! Watch some other games, where somebody might play some defense, and you might come to understand what quality line play looks like.
1Tomcat
· 1 year ago
I saw it rewind your tape/DVR, I also saw 7 dropped passes and 15 missed tackles, but at least we lost to a decent opponent top 5 and not some pesky beavers. brag about your line play all you want as yall rack up wins against Wash & Wash St
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
Tomcat:
You all right, man? You seem pretty shook up. You still have a great shot. Just win out, take the Big 12 title, and your probably in. I think that Texas Tech is gonna lose to Oklahoma State maybe. And, I'm very certain that Oklahoma is gonna kill them. Longhorns are gonna be just fine. It's only one very unlucky loss.
1Tomcat
· 1 year ago
Texas Tech has beaten Oklahoma 2 outa the last 3. My prediction OK state @ TTech- either way- OK state won last year, but now both teams are better, the home team has the edge, but anything can happen Cowboys over Raiders-tossup home team Raiders Raiders over Sooners-tossup home team Sooners Cowboys over Sooners-tossup home team Cowboys Tommie I'm a Horns fan so I always pull against the Sooners- I'll even pull for A&M this weekend
NMLSooner
· 1 year ago
2 of 3, yes. Both @ Lubbock. One on the last play of the game by a dimple on the ball. The second when Bradford was knocked out in 1q on a fluke play. Last and only win in Norman for TT? 1996. John Blake. OU 3-8. It's not a tossup.
OU_Ron
· 1 year ago
The first win in Lubbock was very questionable, but no one seems to remember that.....
Tyler_Tech
· 1 year ago
I remember it, it was too close to call, i still cannot tell. IMO norman is probably the toughest place to play in the country. Stoops has only lost twice at home, correct?
OU_Ron
· 1 year ago
Yea, he's got one hell of a home record, but Tech hasn't been this good in a long time, Tech can win that game, home or not......however it goes, i bet it will be close and many, many points scored...
Tyler_Tech
· 1 year ago
Those crimson helmets on some of those beasts really do scare me....always have. Just something about them, hypnotize me or something.
OU_Fan
· 1 year ago
It basically comes down to how well our defense performs. OU can and will score points against Tech, but I'm not sure if we'll be able to stop Tech. This game will come down to who makes the plays on offense.
1Tomcat
· 1 year ago
OU Ron LOL Yes OU fans like yourself remember questionable and contraversial, this is too funny Ron Kinda reminds me of the wineing coach thread, but lets not revisit that one Ron, Texas Tech,Oregon,TCU seems like the Sooners have really been victums alot- sorry man- you right-I cant stop laughing Ron Look bud -you brought it up-not me Hookem-Horns
OU_Ron
· 1 year ago
I wouldn't bust a gut laughing TC, it might come back to haunt you, looks like all the Texas coaches are going to send in a tape of the game with TT, seems like they think they got robbed.... http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-g...
1Tomcat
· 1 year ago
Welcome back man- shoot they lost, they just didnt perform up to the level that they are campable of until it was too late. You know Ron you cant give Leech & co 88 seconds with a 1 point lead, drop INT and miss tackles when its all on the line, kinda sad for the two freshman DBs. BTW I saw a pair of foxes prior to the game and though it was a good omen, later after the game-I thought maybe the two foxes symbolized- Leech & Brown
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
Tomcat:
Foxes are red and they raid "chicken coops" or any other small animal they can get their hands on. So, the "Omen" was that they were "Red Raiders". The only part that I can't figure out, is how in the world, did they mistake a "Longhorn" for a very small animal?
1Tomcat
· 1 year ago
The foxes here are kinda orange & gray not the red kind they have in Europe or up north, they look kinda like a little minature coyote with a real long tail, we have alot of them around here, they eat alot of bugs under the lights at night. BTW they ought to change the name of TTech Red Raiders to Black Raiders In the old SWC days it was white helment and red jersy
gatorhippy
· 1 year ago
I thought maybe the two foxes symbolized- Leech & Brown...
Wow...
And I thought I smoked a lot of weed...
1Tomcat
· 1 year ago
Hey GH I just looked outside and saw a racoon of course its not game day-so it really doesnt mean anything- come to think of it- a racoon has a mask kinda like a Red Raider Its not gameday- Sunday I saw a black deer doesnt really mean anything either but what if on last Saturday I'd seen a pair of skunks instead of foxes? Look I'm the kinda person that spits twice after a black cat croses my path. Now I'm begining to think the foxes represented Harrel & Crabtree
Tyler_Tech
· 1 year ago
not like my team has any room to talk but wow..............Shipley punt return, hopefully they include that call, or maybe the crabtree pass interference, let it go mack.
1Tomcat
· 1 year ago
Brown has made no public comment critisizing the officiating of the game, but has expressed concern for the players saftey when the crowd stormed the feild and commented that he was protected by DPS officers and his players weren't and that he was unable to congradulate coach Leach. Looking at the tape of the game clearly indicated alot of missed holding calls.look at the play when Orakpo got hurt-heck he was tackled- we all saw it. it goes both ways- the games over Texas lost the game- gotta focus on BU now Hookem-Horns
OU_Fan
· 1 year ago
Typical Texas coaches/fans.... When they lose a game they blame it on the refs..... J/K man... As much as I hate Texas, I feel your pain.....I still think that interception made by OU in the redzone that was overturned was BS....... It seems the zebras have a thing against OU.......
BOOMER!
Lennie Collins
· 1 year ago
It is funny when Texas beat Oklahoma 1Tomcat got on here and stated CLEARLY how Oklahoma coaches and fans blamed the officials or make excuses when the team loses. Look like 1Tomcat is doing the same thing he wrongly stated about Oklahoma coaches and fans. I hope Baylor beats Texas!
Lennie Collins
· 1 year ago
In The World According To 1Tomcat...only Sooners fans complain. Texas Tech won, Texas defense broke down, and time to move on. Beat Texas for me Baylor!
1Tomcat
· 1 year ago
Tommie T This is football, aint got nothing to do with luck dude. This is a sport played on the field, there aint no luck. This aint the PAC were you can lose one or two, used to- take care of OU and A&M and you could go to the CCG game- now the 12 south is plum crazy sick and the teams are all really good- you could very possibly have a 2 or 3 loss team in the B-12 south that would be undefeated in another conference, and I sure that OK st, TTech and OU fans would agree with my assessment., Hookem Horns
gatorhippy
· 1 year ago
Whoa...
CFB is all about luck...
You need luck for the right teams to lose in front of you when you're simmering near the edge...
We certainly saw luck last Sat evening in Lubbock on that desperation heave into double coverage and the following inexplicable missed tackle...
I'd say luck is easily 25 percent of the mix in CFB...
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
gatorhippy:
Man, your not hearing what the man is saying. In the Big 12 - this is a designed play. The offense knows that no amount of guys can cover anybody, and as soon as they catch it, nobody is gonna tackle them. Any pass at all will work 99% of the time in the Big 12 conference. These guys could not defend a pass if NATO themselves were callin' the shots!
1Tomcat
· 1 year ago
GH as luck would have it- the pass was to the Crabman, and as luck would have it the Horns left too much time on the clock, I guess it was good luck for a Gator fan-Oh well
gatorhippy
· 1 year ago
LOL...
Read your own comment...
You just credited "luck" for TT to have the time to be able to even have the shot at winning...
"Luck" is a big part of sports...
Period...
Tyler_Tech
· 1 year ago
Actually they work on that play everyday in practice, it is a timing route that is really hard to defend. I guess maybe it was lucky that he is the best WR in the nation and made a heck of an athletic catch and break a tackle with strength to score the game winning TD...........
Tyler_Tech
· 1 year ago
"desperation heave" no sorry we don't "heave" the ball in the big XII.
gatorhippy
· 1 year ago
LMAO...
It's not a "timing" route, goofy...
It's a "read" route...
Harrell's job on that play is to "read" where the corner is and make the decision to either throw it above or behind depending on the positioning of the defender...
I can't believe I just had to explain your own team's offensive strategy to you...
The "lucky" part is that Earl Thomas was apparently playing the ball rather than taking the bead on Crabtree...
No idea what he was thinking there...
Tyler_Tech
· 1 year ago
You are too high and mighty to even talk to. Of course it is a read route, but every route could be considered a timing roue!. Once you realize you are wrong just admit it, you are the one who called it a desperation heave!!!! Do not just watch espn and then think you know more about my team, not even for one second...........
OU_Fan
· 1 year ago
Dude, if there is anything that you'll learn from this website, its the fact that there are a lot fans of the SEC that do not attempt to look outside the box. Example: If there were 5 SEC teams in the top 10 right now, we would all hear that the SEC conference has 5 teams in the top 10, they are the strongest, and yadayadayada. But when there is not 5 SEC teams in the top 10 but yet there are 5 teams from the Big 12 conference in the top 14, the excuse is that teams in the Big 12 do not play defense. And don't let the quality of the QB position in the Big 12 conference fool you. There is no way they would be able to deliver the football to their receivers in the SEC......
OU_Fan
· 1 year ago
Bleed Crimson, either way your team lost to the University of Oklahoma both in Norman and in Tuscaloosa recently. And your team lost to Oklahoma State two years ago. BC, Alabama has an all time record of 14 wins, 16 losses, and two ties against the Big 12 conference. You should think before speaking....
NMLSooner
· 1 year ago
Coaches play to their strengths, and game plan with those things in mind. Why is there so much scoring in the Big XII? All 12 teams returned their starting QB from last year. Some of those guys were beat out by new guys who were better. Big XII coaches stratigize to their strength, and know they have to be aggressive in their play calling. The SEC has become a grind. Play field position, don't commit turnovers, and rely on your defense. How many SEC games are won, say 17-14 because someone shanks a punt or fumbles late in the game and leads to a winning score? I'm just saying the strengths are magnified right now. And yes, I think their is a question to the best lines even though in your opinion there is no question.
SoCalShawn
· 1 year ago
Bleed Crimson is right on, The teams don't set the schedules so they have no say so in strength of schedule. Ask every top 10 team who they would most fear in a one game playoff and it would be USC hands down. They will beat on you for all four quarters. Yeah, they let down against Oregon and the midget running back, coaching staff included. USC would kick the shit out of any TOP 10 team in the nation and you all think I'm right but wont admit it. CHUMPS
Tyler_Tech
· 1 year ago
No one agrees with you because you are blinded by bias. Good job, im glad you can beat wash state and washington who have 1 win combined between them.........
TigerHater
· 1 year ago
If all these so called "football experts" knew what they are talking about, Alabama would be where they were at the beginning of the season . . . outside of the top 25. How many of you clowns even thought they would be top 10 this year? Time and time again, I have read comments about how they are still a couple of years away and yet they're ranked number 1. Learn to love it.
Jealousy is an ugly thing.
TigerHater
· 1 year ago
Grow a pair TE. Take a few bets or shut the he11 up.
TigerEducated
· 1 year ago
Why don't you maaaaaaaaake me, TigerHater...
LOL...
AUtigerman
· 1 year ago
Ive been accused from time to time of not giving credit were credit is due. Well Bama is 9-0 at this point and that is to be commended. However, regardless of what people want to say about the tough SEC the numbers speak for themselves. What appeared to be a very tough schedule at the begining of the year has turned out to be somewhat of a cream puff. with only 1 win of a team ranked higher then 43 i dont quite understand how they get so much SOS consideration. Clemson ranks 58, Tulane103, Western Kentucky120, Akansas 55, Georgia 11,Kentucky 51, Miss 43, Tenn 69,ARK st.92.
Now compare that to Penn states 3 teams ranked 39 or higher kind of makes you wonder what they are thinking. This weekend will be a tougher test but i think they match up well with them.
TigerHater
· 1 year ago
Based on your logic of the Alabama victories, Texas Tech beat a # 5 or # 7 Texas depending on which poll you go by.
Wake up dude! Where were these teams ranked when Alabama played them?
AUtigerman
· 1 year ago
So you think you should get credit for beating a top 10 ten team when you played Clemson?. And you say i need to wake up....lol
TigerHater
· 1 year ago
No. I was trying to say that you are going by the current ranking. I am going by the ranking at the time you face the team. Based on your reasoning, Texas Tech didn't beat the # 1 team. You want to go by the present ranking so that's what I'm doing. Tech beat the # 5 or # 7 team. That's logic. Of course you're a barner so you don't understand logic.
1Tomcat
· 1 year ago
Thats cool because that same team that lost to Tech would beat Bama anyway despite whatever the rankings happen to be, maybe after yall drop a couple, yall can face Texas in a Bowl- I sure hope so Hookem-Horns Geaux Tigers Go Cowboys Gigem-Aggies
TigerHater
· 1 year ago
Let's see how they do this week before you bring out the Heavenly choir.
OU_Fan
· 1 year ago
Here's an interesting stat that I'm sure you probably knew. Bama is 0-7 against Texas. And 2-1-1 against OU.
GA_Boy
· 1 year ago
I don't know if Georgia is that bad (red zone, penalties, discipline-yes, yes, yes) or if FLA and Bama are that good. I have a feeling it's a lot of both. We are a young team on the lines and have made some really crucial drive ending penalties in EVERY game except the LSU game. I am watching the replay and we just killed ourselves in the 1st half. Georgia 1st: 3 redzone oportunities inside the 15 and 3 points (two missed field goals by the freshman just takes the steam out of anything good we WERE doing.) Same story all season and I don't know why I was shocked to see it Saturday. The only reason we took a big whooping stick to LSU is that we scored on the big plays and did not have to convert in the redzone that often. FLA 1st half: 2 redzone opportunities and 14 points. It was just sickening to watch. Now, the 2nd half, FLA just killed us. We came out and had a good stop on D after the opening kick off. Great punt pins us inside the 2. Great drive going, about 60 yards, and we give up the pick. After the big pick for an 80 yard return, it was beating time. I still can't believe that Moreno patted Charlie Stong on the butt after a big run. I wouldn't let that joker play another down if I was Richt. We don't need that kind of bullcrap.
Having played both Bama and FLA, I give the edge to FLA just for the kill mode they are in right now. I agree with Ramblin Gator (I can't believe I just said that) but they are taking care of business better than any team in the SEC right now. I think everyone will see what I am talking about after the LSU-Bama game this weekend. I think Les and the boys will beat BAMA. BAMA has been on auto pilot and I think that LSU will sneak one out in Baton Rouge.
On another shocking subject brought forth by a member of the SEC, I think the two best teams played this past weekend and they aren't from the SEC; TX and TX Tech would beat any of the SEC teams on the National stage. I know BC thinks the D is weak in the Big 12 and I have to agree that they do give up the points, but FLA gave up 398 yards to the DAWGS. It won't be any different against a TX or TX Tech. The only difference will be about 100 more yards and they won't stall in the redzone. FLA will have to outscore them, and they might, but I doubt it. BAMA sure as hell wouldn't do it.
Anyway, that's what my head thinks, but my heart says go Commadores and Gamecocks. Beat those sorry a$$ jean shorts-wearing Gators!
GO DAWGS!!--the homer is back
1Tomcat
· 1 year ago
GA Boy This is one of the best post that I have every read on fanblogs Good luck the rest of the season Adios Tomcat
GotliebTX
· 1 year ago
If you want to eliminate all the over-hyped opinions and way too complex computer rankings that the BCS currently uses, the solution is actually pretty simple. Stop counting losses. Just add up the wins of all the teams each team has beaten and then compare that number. It's called a Win Factor. Each conference winner stands on the wins of its conference and the top conference carries it's champion to the national championship game. It's simple and it works. You don't need to be undefeated to rise to the top so you can go after tougher competition in your non-conference games. If you lose, it's just a missed opportunity and not the kiss of death. It's similar to the points systems used by NASCAR and the PGA, only a lot simpler.
If this system were in place, you might convince Joe Pa to come down South and take on a SEC or Big 12 team. He would have nothing to lose and everything to gain by taking on potential conference champions.
The game as a whole would be better because teams would stop playing down into Div 1 FCS to pick up easy wins. Every game would count as the non-conference wins the cellar dwellers rack up would raise the standing of the whole conference. As the season approaches the end, every game would be worth more as the wins add up, just like a playoff.
The bowl games would mean so much more because all the wins would mix at the end creating a very dynamic three weeks of football.
Think about it.
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
GotliebTX:
It makes way too much sense. It can never be. There would be no way to actually manipulate the National Championship game - and make it fair for all. We would not have "political correctness" in college football. And, as we all know, that would be mean spirited. It would be better if we just quit complaining and just excepted all of this injustice. It's the "American Way".
AUtigerman
· 1 year ago
GOtliebTX So what your saying is that if an SEC team beats the sun belt champ in regular season they get a point for every win the sunbelt champ had that year?
Well if thats what your saying thats nuts. ill give you an example, Oklahoma distroyed TCU. TCU is 9-1 in the mountain west with wins over powerhouses like Stephin Austin,unlv and the likes. And your suggesting Oklahoma get a point for every win TCU gets because they beat them?
And then somehow you think that will encourage teams like Penn State to play tougher competetion. Maybe i just didnt understand your system.
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
AUtigerman:
Your argument does make sense. I've always proposed some kinda of "initial rating system" similar to our current BCS standing. Then, there are 120 Division I teams, that can be ranked. You would accumulate 120 points for a win over the #1 rated team, 111 points for a win over the 10th rated team, and 1 point for a win over the 120th rated team.
These rankings would flucuate every week as each game was being played. But, in the end, you would tally up all "points earned" - and the Top Two would play for the National Championship. This would give us many more competitive games played on the field. This would cut out all of the non-sense of scheduling Division II teams and much lower rated mid-major and BCS opponents. The "run for the National Championship" would finally get real.
RammerJammer
· 1 year ago
AUtigerman I'm interested in hearing you explain the UGA win. I also want to hear how UGA handed the game to Bama. Ready. Set. Go.
AUtigerman
· 1 year ago
Any time youd like to watch it i keep an archive just a hobby of mine.
Ill just say this, on your first drive you would have had to settle for a field goal try if not aided by a 15 yard penaly on 3rd down.so we can -4. On Bama second possesion same thing 25 yards of penalties possibly -3. Bamas 3rd possesion was a nice drive. 4th possesion was on a fumble by Georgia where noone even hits Green he just fumbles. Well any way you get the point. Bottom line is you got the W. But IMO it wasnt a dominate start to finish performance like Florida had this weekend against Georgia.
GA_Boy
· 1 year ago
Actually, FLA wasn't dominate start to finish against GA either. They weren't dominate until about 8:28 in the 3rd quarter when it was still 14-3. We had already "given" (as you called it) them a TD in the 1st half with yet another insanely stupid personal foul call negating a great interception by Prince Miller. 3 times in the red zone in the 1st half for the DAWGS and we come away with 3 points due to poor execution on our part and not much because of anything the Gators did. Now when they got the pick in the 3rd quarter, feel free to call it dominate all you want from that point on. Absolutely outrageous performance by the DAWGS from that point on. I have not seen anything like it since the Ray Goof days. Florida took us to the wood shed and beat that a$$. Let's here it for the Commadores this weekend. Blackdawg, where you at man?
GO DAWGS!!
gatorhippy
· 1 year ago
GA_Boy, there has been something bugging me about that game since Saturday....
It's a simple question about UGA that nobody can seem to answer...
You wanna take a crack at it?
GA_Boy
· 1 year ago
Hippy What's the question? I will give it a shot?
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
Ga_Boy:
I think that before he passed out with the "Gas Mask" wrapped around his head, that ol' GatorHippy was probably wonderin', if the "Gonj" up at the UGA was as good as the "Chronic" that he was coppin' down in Florida? Sadly, he hasn't "come to" yet. Must be some pretty good sheeeeit!
blackdawg
· 1 year ago
I'll take a crack at it as well, if you like.
blackdawg
· 1 year ago
I'm right here, licking my wounds, lying under the porch, waiting for Saturday. That onside kick was brilliant seeing how we were still in the game at that point.
RammerJammer
· 1 year ago
Dude, that's weak at best, and no, I don't get the point.
Georgia had lots of penalties in the first half that stalled their drives, and killed their momentum in the game last week vs. the gators. Matt Stafford had how many turnovers last week?
Bottom line is: Bama took it to the Dawgs in the 1st half,and played very conservative in the second half, which is typical of Nick Saban. Don't take my word for it though, ask TE, he'll tell ya how Nick Saban coaches. That's who 1st told me of his style, and he was dead on...
Nice try, though.
Eye_of_the_Tiger
· 1 year ago
test damnit
Eye_of_the_Tiger
· 1 year ago
I had this nice long book I just typed up and it didn't go through. Damnit for now, but just know I will be back
Eye_of_the_Tiger
· 1 year ago
I hope teams keep dropping like flies that way there will not be an undisputed #1 team going into the BCS and no one will even care for the match-up because we all know the match-up will be BS and the real Championship game will be in GA-- Alabama vs. FLA for the SEC Championship aka REAL NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP
You know, the way I see it, with this system, there will never be a clear cut Champion. Take last year for example, LSU v OSU--everyone knows OSU would not have made it through the first round of a playoff
But I think I figured out why nobody wants a play-off sytem. It's because they know that only teams from the SEC would get to compete against each other for the trophy every year. I guess we do need to let other Conferences have fun too, and let them think they are top notch. I will not say that BCS gets it wrong all the time; but I think the main problem in the whole system is if you time your losses right, you still may get a chance at the end of the season when better teams are out there. Sad really
If OU beats Tech and that's the only loss for them, OU's only loss is to Texas, and Texas's only loss is to Tech, does Tech still get in the Big XII CG?
Lennie Collins
· 1 year ago
If that happens....then the Big 12 South team will be chosen by ranking in the BCS Ranking.
Bevo_Boy
· 1 year ago
Ok, thanks Lennie, although I'm predicting Tech will lose there next two to put Texas back in the Big XII CG
Tyler_Tech
· 1 year ago
A longhorn fan would predict that......not gonna happen. You of all people should know we have a pretty good team, and we play 2 of our last 3 at home.
1Tomcat
· 1 year ago
Yall have a good team-no doubt- I dont think anybody survives undefeated playing in B-12 south, that includes TTech,You know that OU and OK st are good teams also Gigem-Aggies Go Cowboys
gatorhippy
· 1 year ago
Sooners and the Cowboys are better IMHO...
Unfortunately the better team doesn't always win...
As displayed last Saturday night in Lubbock...
Lennie Collins
· 1 year ago
I never understood that comment. I guess we can start sayin' the worse team won?
gatorhippy
· 1 year ago
I take it then you believe there is more talent on TT than Tex?
If so, may I suggest OU just phoning in their game against the Dread Pirates...
Since the Sooners already lost to Texas at home Tech must obviously be better than OU...
So why even have them waste the gas...
Right?
Lennie Collins
· 1 year ago
Gatorhippy...what is wrong with you? You used to be beautiful now marijuana has ruined you. First of all the Red Raiders recruit most of their players where...from Texas. Second of all November 22, 2008 is how many days away? Ask me that after the game. Texas Tech played better than Texas that night and that's a fact.
Tyler_Tech
· 1 year ago
I have to agree with lennie. You are all over the place man. Why do we even play the games???? I guarantee you that if we beat the pokes this weekend and we will deserve it and are the better team. You are not making any sense at all to me IMHO! We owned that game for 58.5 minutes, and still drove down and took the game. Shows the possibility of a championship team to me...........
gatorhippy
· 1 year ago
Playing better on a given day and being the better team are decidedly different...
The better team can lose any day to a team that plays better...
Especially when dealing with 18-22 year olds...
Examples:
Florida / Mississippi 2008
W Va / E Car 2008
Michigan / Appy State 2007
Alabama / LA Monroe 2007
SoCal / Stanford 2007
FSU / NC St 1998
Wisco / Cincy 1999
FSU / So Miss 1989
Oklahoma / Kansas 1975
Do I need to keep going?
Tyler_Tech
· 1 year ago
No i understand your point, all I am saying is that it is not like we pulled the upset of the century. We were 3 point dogs at home and the 7th ranked team in the country. I just think we deserve a little credit for beating the number 1 team in the country and the respect that the gap between us AND ANY team in the country is really not that great this year.....
gatorhippy
· 1 year ago
Ok...
[pats the Red Raiders on the back]
Good job, boys...
Better?
Tyler_Tech
· 1 year ago
I would have preffered maybe a fist bump, bu I will take it. Yes much better.
Lennie Collins
· 1 year ago
If the team is better...then they should have their junk together and win in the first place...huh? Ask the Boston Patriots were they better than the New Jersey Giants and I am sure they will all say yes and the New Jersey Giants will say kiss the (Super Bowl) rings (edit)!
gatorhippy
· 1 year ago
Perfect example of the better team losing on a given day to the team that played better...
I think you got it now...
;-]
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
Lennie:
So, there has never been an "upset" in college football, right? The best team always wins. So, when Boise State beat Oklahoma, and Oregon beat Oklahoma - the best team won those games. Do you realize that Oklahoma lost three games in 07'. That's right - three of them. Now, maybe West Virginia was better. But, by the end of last year, nobody looked better than Oklahoma did. Did that mean that the other two games that they lost, that the two teams that they lost to, were better than Oklahoma? Or, how about the two games that LSU lost in 07'? Do you really think that Kentucky and Arkansas were both better than LSU was? If so, why weren't Kentucky and Arkansas playin' for all the marbles?
Lennie Collins
· 1 year ago
Okay Tommy Trojan let me put it like this...Kentucky was better than Louisiana State that day and Arkansas was better than Louisiana State that day! This team being better this this team conversation is old. The best team will win the championship, PERIOD!
OU_Fan
· 1 year ago
Receiver wise, Texas Tech has the best one in the nation. Thats about it IMO...
gatorhippy
· 1 year ago
As a pure wide receiver, Crabtree is the best...
You get no argument from me there...
gatorhippy
· 1 year ago
Makes sense to me, BB...
Lennie Collins
· 1 year ago
Remember I said BCS rankings...Oklahoma has games against 2 ranked teams, Texas Tech has 2, and Oklahoma State has 2 as well. Texas has none. Of course the teams that have those games against ranked opponents have to win...of course!
OU_Ron
· 1 year ago
Bevo, I don't have a clue, looks like it would be a chineese cluster &%$#
1Tomcat
· 1 year ago
OU Ron Kinda funny me agreeing with a Sooner fan, but your right again Gigem-Aggies
1Tomcat
· 1 year ago
Its all happened before-similar situation OU beats Texas Texas beats A&M A&M beats OU A&M conf Champ Texas beats KSU OU beats Texas KSU beats OU KSU conf Champ Texas beats OU Texas beats Neb KSU beats Texas Neb vs OU Champ game This years south is plum crazy BTW both A&M & BU are improving and could pull an upset- dont count anybody out yet- You cant worry about what you cant control just take care of business everyday and do your best The season is far from over and dont forget Texas has a trip to Lawrence to face a good KU team
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
I had a dream this weekend where it was the third quarter of the Sugar Bowl with Utah up by 3 after the half when Utah held Florida to three and out then proceeded to march down the field, picking off 5-10 yards per play, for a 10 point lead and complete control of momentum and the commentators discussing whether Meyer was having second thoughts about leaving Utah.
Then I woke up.
OU_Ron
· 1 year ago
Ben, do you think that was a dream or a nightmare, you will probably be able to answer that a little later tonight after the game......huh
GotliebTX
· 1 year ago
AUTigerman,
About the TCU-Oklahoma question, you are almost right. Oklahoma only picks up 8 wins from TCU as TCU played down for one of their wins. The point is that TCU is one of the top teams in a weaker FBS conference. Beating TCU obviously means more than beating San Diego State(1 FBS win) or some Div 1 FCS team. By comparison, the week before that Texas Tech was beating up on Massachusetts, a Div 1 FCS team. Oklahoma should receive more credit for their win that week as their opponent was definitely tougher than Tech's.
Taken as a whole, Win Factor is an easy way to balance out the conferences without the use of subjective polls or complex statistics.
GotliebTX
· 1 year ago
Here is an example of how Win Factor can sort out conferences. ESPN just put out a poll during the Buffalo/Miami U(Ohio) game regarding BCS busters. They listed Ball State, Utah, and Boise State as the undefeated teams. Let's see how they compare in WinFactor
Ball State's Win Factor is 14 which is good for only 41st place in national rankings. Central Michigan is actually higher in the Win Factor rankings at 17. CM lost to Georgia and Purdue. WinFactor correctly positions these teams based on performance on the field and not the perfect record. They play each other on Nov 19 to see who will be the class of the MAC. Either way, neither of these teams should even be in the Top 25 based on who they've beaten.
Boise State and Utah fare better with matching Win Factors of 26. This puts them in the top 10 for now but there aren't enough wins in either teams remaining schedule to keep them there even if they win out. These teams are good but their conferences haven't racked up enough non-conference victories to carry them very high in the end.
Again, Win Factor doesn't care about your perfect record against less-than-stellar opponents. Wins over winning teams are what count.
Lennie Collins
· 1 year ago
Oklahoma will be the Big 12 champions! No doubt! Anything is POSSSSSSSSSSSSIBLE!
GotliebTX
· 1 year ago
Better cheer for OSU against Tech. Do you think you can do that????
OU_Ron
· 1 year ago
Why ???
GotliebTX
· 1 year ago
OU_Ron,
My bad. You need to cheer for Tech. You need the three way tie to have a shot. Now I get it.
OU_Ron
· 1 year ago
I usually pull for Tech anyway, I think Leach is a good coach, besides he was our OC at one time.....and he's funny, I love his post game remarks...
OU_Ron
· 1 year ago
Where's Ben ?????, he must have went to the TCU/Utah game, tonights game should be a big one for him....
Jake
· 1 year ago
I was wondering if Ole Miss miraculously wins out and gets a bowl game( beating La Monnroe, LSU, and Ms. State.) to end up 8-4. The drought could possibly be coming to an end!!! What bowl game would they make it to? Chick-fil-a?
GotliebTX
· 1 year ago
Here's an update for the crowd. The mighty Ball State Cardinals (snicker) trounced another low-ranking team tonight keeping themselves perfect at 9-0. This will no doubt intensify the "BCS-BUSTER" talk among the coaches and sportscasters and garner them some more votes in next weeks poll.
The win improves their Win Factor to 19 temporarily moving them to 21st in the national standings. Remember most of the teams above them in Win Factor haven't even played yet this week. By Sunday, Ball State will probably be 15th in the BCS. At the same time they will probably slide back down in the 40's based on their Win Factor.
MAC fans will whine about how the BCS formula is keeping them out of the Top 10. I would argue that the BCS formula (the polls mostly) is actually giving them a boost.
Other than the MAC fans out there, does anybody really believe Ball State belongs in between LSU and Michigan State?????
GotliebTX
· 1 year ago
The big games on the Win Factor radar this weekend are:
Texas Tech (7 Wins, Winfactor 28) vs OSU (7 Wins, Winfactor 20)
By the way, before you whine about the win counts above, remember that those are FBS wins. Wins against lower division teams count for "NADA" in Win Factor.
Also, Texas still leads the country with a Win Factor of 37 but the three games remaining to them(Baylor, A&M, Kansas) won't let them pull away from Tech and Oklahoma. If either Tech or Oklahoma wins out, they should pass Texas on the way to the Big 12 championship.
All Comments
Looks to me like Penn State has beaten #11 Ohio State - while Alabama owns a victory over #13 Georgia only. Alabama has played the 56th toughest schedule, while Penn State has played the 66th toughest, neither or which comes close to Texas' 7th or Florida's 10th toughest schedules. Both Alabama and Penn State are overranked IMHO.
Southern Cal is playing well, but they LOST TO OREGON ST, who was destroyed by Penn St...
Everyone needs to stop their bitching and just watch the fucking games, it will work itself out...
geezz
What's your gripe here? I don't think that I said one word about USC. I said that Penn State owns a win over Ohio State - which may outrank Georgia at the moment. Nevertheless, neither team is Top Ten material.
So then, you want to point out that Penn State hammered Oregon State, which beat USC. Looks like your confirming my idea that maybe Penn State has played some tougher teams than Alabama has. I'm only defending Penn State's position against Alabama. Looks like your doing the same thing. It's all a mute point - because Alabama is never gonna get past Florida. Penn State may well get to the NC game. If they do - they may not deserve to. Going unbeaten against the weakest schedule of all of the top rated teams - does not impress me too much.
OU's remaining schedule:
@ ATM
#2 Texas Tech
#9 Oklahoma State
It's a likely trap game for OU or any other BCS CG contender from the B-12...
But UF has to get by Vandy in Nashville and UF's favorite (soon to be second favorite) son in Hogtown...
Neither is a gimme...
arkansas and vandy are gimmes
you're forgetting about FSU and South carolina.
those are y'alls toughest games left. and of course, alabama...
I didn't forget about anything...
Hogtown = Gainesville...
UF's Favorite son (soon to be second) = Spurrier...
Vandy = Playing UF tough 60 % of the time over the last 19 seasons...
Noles = No input into the SEC CG chances...
Alabama = Still could screw up and miss the SEC CG...
i wasnt familiar with all of the florida football slang terms.
but anyway, Vandy is a gimme, and a loss to FSU would diminish your title hopes...
but i think "UFs favorite son" has the best chance of all.
he's got a tough team that's like Ole Miss on steroids. look out....
but of course, bottom line, for my money, a one-loss Florida will be playing an undefeated Alabama to see who gets in the BCS title game.
it will be a game for the ages.
Florida Football Slang terms?
Hogtown is known as often being used to describe Gainesville in derogatory terms...
UF's Favorite Son undoubtedly needs no explanation to anybody that is an SEC fan and knows anything about conference history...
Speaking of conference history I suggest you look back at the past ninteen seasons of UF/Vandy games and see exactly how many times a sub .500 Dore team has taken UF to the wire...
And since TP27 and I were discussing Bama and UF being in the SEC CG, the Noles have absolutley ZERO bearing on the discussion...
Seriously, my young snot nosed friend....
Read some books, do some research and pay attention to the conversation...
I drafted a reply to that post, but declined to post it--deferring to you, since it was aimed at you anyway.
Just baffling that you would have to "decode" any of that for a "SEC Fan".
b/t/w: you missed one other point: Ark'y, in the future tense.
So much material from such a small post....
GO GATORS!!
How would a 3 way tie in the Big 12 be handled?
We showed a SIGNIFICANT improvement in coverages, assignments, and getting the play in to the secondary on time...He played his responsibility and orchestrated the defense very well...
The guy is the much maligned nickelback in Danny McCray. He'll start for us next year, and if Curtis Taylor doesn't watch out, he'll take his job from him the rest of the way this year...
If we can stone the running game like we have against all but Florida & Georgia (Even against Georgia, they had two long runs, and other than that, were frustrated; they just did whatever they want through the air), then we can make it a game...
I do believe the early lines show that you'd be a TD favorite on a neutral field...I think it was -3 to open, though...
Since 2006, LSU has had less holding penalties called against it than any team in the conference...Any wonder we've had the best defensive line?
SEC officiating is a joke, but I wouldn't worry too much, at all...
Saban & Alabama hired Bobby Gaston's brother to work in their AD after he got there in a football related capacity...Considering Bobby is the head of officiating for the SEC Offices in Birmingham, I don't see a THING to worry about for you guys...
What do YOU have to do with something I asked of BC?
How many times will I repeat that my issue isn't with you, it's with BC's silly self? You are interjecting yourself into a discussion you have no business in, nor a vested interest in. Do you think that if you continue to post about it, then suddenly and magically I'll start to care?
That point has been proven multiple times with you continually deflecting my points with questions about my fandom.
First of all, I don't see how this is relevant to you accepting my bet. I didn't realize that this information was necessary for you to proceed with a conversation. But since you can't seem to get past this issue, I am a born and raised Florida Gator fan, but I attended and graduated from the University of Alabama. I will defend both schools, but if they play in Atlanta this year, I am a Gator fan first.
I'm sorry I didn't greet you with a big "Hey guys, I'm a huge Gator fan and all I care about is being a Gator fan. So from now on, I am going to preface each of my posts stating that I like the Gators so it will be clear to everyone!"
Take my bet.
Do you think if you continue to post or beg me to take the bet, that magically I suddenly care about it or I'll take you up?
Unless you're trained in the Jedi arts, you're sadly mistaken, so the quicker you get over yourself, the better for you...
I also figured you for an Alabama Fan...Just wanted to get it out there, as you've never stated one way or another...I apologize for being genuinely curious, as most others here clearly indicate who they're fans of. Sorry you're the only one who hasn't posted in a manner easy to figure that out.
Do yourself a favor...sh!t in one hand, and want me to give a sh!t about your posts in the other...You know the rest...But, please...Stop begging me to take you seriously or care about/give a damn about what you have to say when I'm talking to someone else.
So do yourself a favor and stop trying to wipe BC's bum for him...I have issue with HIM, and I really don't care-and I'm not sure how else I can emphasize how much I don't to you-about what you think of it...
Capisce?
"An interesting observation is that someone must tirelessly try to talk smack to someone who has done nothing to them, and then start personally attacking them, and then try to point out that THEY are the pathetic ones.
I encourage you to continue with your amateur hour psychiatry angles, as they really add so much to the discourse here...
You're offering up critques of people or calling their sexuality or manhood into question while most of us are talking college football.
I care no more for your act than you care for mine, so by all means, either continue to post your tripe about my manhood, or perhaps finally choke down that I could care less what you think of me or my "pathetic angles".
What I won't do is pass judgement on you from a personal level. I won't take personal shots at your coach. I won't level or take shots at the coaches or programs you support. All of which BC regularly does. All of which fuels my ire that I direct at him. All of which you ignore...
Fair enough...but, please...get this out of your system, so we can take this back to a friendly, collegiate football level...
If I see an opportunity to bust BC's chops, I'm going to take it, because he never EVER owns up to his own hypocrisy or bashing his team's players. He's a classic frontrunner, and has proven himself time and again in this respect.
What you do is your business, but we're just about getting to the point where this is tiresome, tedious and troublesome...So, how about this...
From here on out, if you want to, just say whatever you like. Talk about how I'm a homo, or get mad because your own fans talk smack they won't back up, how I'm pathetic, whatever...Just please don't expect me to respond anymore...
You can just say that I'm just too pathetic to bother...I really don't care... "
"No matter how much you interject, it won't sway my decision to tell you no...In other words, I don't care about what you think about what I say to BC, or what he's said to me...
Do you think if you continue to post or beg me to take the bet, that magically I suddenly care about it or I'll take you up?
Unless you're trained in the Jedi arts, you're sadly mistaken, so the quicker you get over yourself, the better for you...
I also figured you for an Alabama Fan...Just wanted to get it out there, as you've never stated one way or another...I apologize for being genuinely curious, as most others here clearly indicate who they're fans of. Sorry you're the only one who hasn't posted in a manner easy to figure that out.
Do yourself a favor...sh!t in one hand, and want me to give a sh!t about your posts in the other...You know the rest...But, please...Stop begging me to take you seriously or care about/give a damn about what you have to say when I'm talking to someone else.
So do yourself a favor and stop trying to wipe BC's bum for him...I have issue with HIM, and I really don't care-and I'm not sure how else I can emphasize how much I don't to you-about what you think of it...
Capisce?"
"What I wouldn't get carried away with is some guy who doesn't ever mention which team he's a fan of, talking to anyone about any discussion in regards to college football...
What do YOU have to do with something I asked of BC?
How many times will I repeat that my issue isn't with you, it's with BC's silly self? You are interjecting yourself into a discussion you have no business in, nor a vested interest in. Do you think that if you continue to post about it, then suddenly and magically I'll start to care?"
"Have you ever mentioned what team you're a fan of? Obviously you aren't a fan of LSU...
Oh, and I don't blow anyone, The_Observer...I'll leave that to experts like yourself...
I've already said I don't want to bet YOU, I want to bet BC... "
"What does it matter whether he's in college or he's a deckhand on a tugboat?
Please point to the "malicious" things I've said about his coach? Never have I denigrated his intelligence. I have pointed out-time and again-his tendencies and his mindset, gleaned from experience...Nothing more.
I have said-time and again-that I harbor no ill will towards Nick, though I see right through him.
I'm not sure there's an actual job title for "Fanblogs Revisionist Historian" here, Observer...perhaps you might want to work on said powers of Observation...They're failing you these days...
I'm quite comfortable in my own hypocrisy, but in this case, your drummed up allegations aren't even close to accurate...
You can call me out all you like, I have neither the time nor the inclination to get into some bellicose back-and-forth with the likes of you...
I'm interested to know who you root for, though... "
"The bet is an attempt to make little BC here shut his yapper...
I proved my point...He's actually afraid of a coach and a team filled with said coach's recruits, yet he refers to the coach as mindless and erratic...
Yet he doesn't stop yapping about him...He's like Paris Hilton's Chihuahua whose stumbled upon her coke stash...all hyped up for no real reason, barking not necessarily for a reason, but just to do it...
I knew he was more interested in taking a shot in my coach than in showing faith in his own team-which is a hallmark of his posting habits here. I merely wanted to point it out and take him down a few notches on the ladder of success he's found his team's moved a few rungs up on.
In other words, I'm not betting you, I only want to bet little B_C... "
Take my bet.
And I thought I was long winded...
Don't you have 60 posts to copy & paste, for no apparent reason?
BTW, cutting and pasting your post is crazy easy with Disqus.
Take the bet.
gotcha.
nick saban doesn't throw 70 yd. TD passes with the 1st string offense when up by 35?
you're right. we shouldn't be #1
we have a great running game and play possession offense instead of big play, big scoring?
okay....
we win games. every game. in the SEC. therefore, we are #1.
any questions?
You should have already figured that out by now.
You'll have no chance of ever winning that game. Alabama will be beat down by Florida by at least 24 points. Maybe next year though.
i'll bet you $1 with as many zeros as you want, that alabama won't lose by more than 10 points, if we lose.
trust me, we're verrrry over-rated....
It's on. I'd watch out how many zero's that you put behind that though. Alabama has a very good, strong and powerful, defense. You have not developed enough team speed to contain Florida. Florida will get to the edge - and your LB's are not fast enough to stop them. Florida will not be running the ball "up the middle" as many of your slower opponents have. And, Florida has the best OL in the country - not Alabama. Florida also has a tremendous defense. Alabama will not run on Florida either. And, since Alabama can't throw the ball, I have no idea how your gonna score at all. It'll be a blowout, son. I appreciate your loyalty here, but you have not been watching real good football teams, for quite some time. I have. And, I know what one looks like. And, Florida looks like the National Champion to me. The only team that might beat Florida for the rest of this season is USC, and as is stated in the BCS bylaws, USC can never be allowed to play an SEC Champion in a BCS Bowl game. That there is in "the rules".
ive realized that you, and the rest of the college football world forget a couple of things when it comes to alabama vs. florida:
1. Alabama laid a beatdown on the bulldawgs to. only it was in georgia, during the blackout game, when their team still had national championship dreams.
and we have a POSSESSION style offense that won't score as many points as florida and their run-and-gun. (only, we did still put up 41 on the dawgs).
2. Alabama did what florida couldn't do: take care of business at home against ole miss.
so. i happen to think that while florida is a great team, so is alabama, and when the two play, it will be a close, hard-fought game.
not a blowout by any means.
also another thing i think might help you change your mind.
cuz i know exactly where you're coming from.
you're basing your biased views on alabama's recent history of mediocrity.
i can't really blame you, but go check rivals.com, Alabama had the talent on their team even last year.
Alabama has really just been lacking leadership, team chemistry, and a business-like attitude that Saban has now 100% instilled into this team.
also, Saban's defense is VERY complicated, and it takes a couple of years to get it down completely.
you're right though, we don't have the depth and talent that florida has yet. but we're not too far off. but then we have better coaching and mentality.
team mentality doesn't mean anything?
well if the trojans and gators had it, there'd be 5 undefeateds at the top...
Like I've told you a thousand times - Alabama is well on their way. But, next year you'll probably have some kinda freshman QB over center. Next year might not be as good as this one. I am fully aware that Bama has had Top 20 recruiting classes for the last three years. I am well aware of what talent that they do have. Florida has had Top 5 classes for about four or five straight years. That is a huge difference. Top 20 seems pretty good - and it is. But, it is nothing like Top five classes are.
I'm really not tryin' to pick on you. I think that only Florida, USC and Penn State could beat Alabama this year. Your secondary is outstanding. The whole defense is what I would call good. And, I don't call too many defenses good. Your offense is lacking. The OL is very good. Coffee and Ingram are great backs. Julio Jones, along with a slew of other young WR's, are definately gonna be a force to be reckoned with. But, those receivers are very young. JP Wilson is a "servicable" QB at best. He has had some pretty good games - but he doesn't do it everytime out. His odds will be diminished against a team like Florida. The receivers will be covered. The only weakness in the Alabama team is the young WR's and the QB. Now, I liken Wilson to Matt Flynn, who won a MNC with LSU last year. So, in that regards, maybe it could be done. But, I kinda like to give the edge to last years Heisman winning QB, who happens to play for Florida - along with the junior WR called Percy Harvin. I think that Florida has a big edge in the QB and WR catagories. Also, the speed of Rainey and Demps lining up behind Tebow, create just too many mismatches for anybody to line up with. Honestly, I would not claim that Southern Cal could beat Florida. I only think that it might be interesting to find out.
Furthermore, a three point win over Mississippi, isn't hardly any different than a one point loss. It's only four points on the board. Florida's 39 point beatdown of Georgia, really sticks out by contrast, to Alabama having had to hold on in the 4th quarter. I suppose that if Florida were to fumble and throw some picks, then Alabama, could possible pull off an upset. What I will tell you for sure is this: Florida will be favored in that game. I will take Florida and whatever the line is - just like I did last weekend against Georgia.
After a few years of watching your team become very good - that's when your gonna realize what very good is. When Alabama can roll 50-60 points, without even really trying, then you will have reached the level of play that is consistant with a National Champion. When your reserves come in in the 2nd quarter, and still put up another 28 points, then you will know that you have arrived. Right now, Alabama must get off to an early lead, in order to hold off the other team in the 4th quarter. That is because there is a lack of depth. And, please don't tell me about how well you've played against Tennessee and Arkansas State. We'll find out this weekend if Alabama has taken another step upward. I'm still open to changing my mind as the team progresses.
Star will be a RS freshman, and AJ is probably going to get redshirted...
McCarron is 170-175 pounds, max...We have a guy on our board whose a family friend of theirs, and in order to get AJ's expressed promise not to follow his MLB dreams (He'll probably go in one of the top 10 rounds of the MLB draft pick), Saban had to promise his family they would not recruit anymore quarterbacks in this class.
That's somewhat unlike Saban, but AJ's family had close family friend ties to LSU, and Saban could not lose another Mobile recruit to LSU after the likes of JaMarcus Russell, Chevis Jackson, & Sidell Corley & Phelon Jones...
Alabama is having a wonderful year following up a great recruiting class this year, and they'll be back, but not until the 2010 season. They'll be trying to shut people down on defense next year, because on offense, they will be very one-dimensional with first-time starters.
i can agree with most of what you said.
except a couple of things:
1. losing isn't anywhere close to winning. they're two opposite worlds entirely. no matter the margin of victory or defeat
2. Alabama doesn't just come hot out the gate, and then hang on for dear life because they aren't conditioned.
it's the coaching scheme.
the coaches try to take the air out of the game in what Saban refers to as the "4-minute offense." there's a reason we never win by a large margin, and it has nothing to do with conditioning.
and if you acutally watched the Alabama/Georgia game, you would've known that the win was never in doubt.
Georgia scored a last second TD, recovered an onside kick, and scored another TD, all on our 2nd team defense in the last throes of the game. not to mention a punt returned for a TD.
our first team defense gave up 9 points. florida's gave up 10. florida scored 49, we scored 41.
we're pretty damn close.
not in depth, but in team.
I didn't say anything about "conditioning". Nevertheless, the most well conditioned athletes need a "blow" from time to time. Also, I did see the entire Bama/Georgia matchup, and do understand that the game was not in question. Still, Alabama was running out of gas in the 2nd half. That was not conditioning - it had way more to do with "lack of depth". One good thing that Alabama will have going for them: by the time they do play Florida, very many more of those young players, will have gained enough experience to maybe be able to provide some quality depth for that game. Earlier in the season - they simply were not able to do that. Alabama will probably have a little more gas at the end of the season than they've had in the beginning.
Gates even had some dudes that haven't seen the field this season out there...
Hell, there were cats that aren't even on the pre-season roster playing when the Dawgs finally got into the endzone...
all im trying to say is this:
people think that alabama will get beat by florida in the same way georgia did.
HELLO!!
we dominated georgia to!
we will more than hold our own against the gators. and im looking forward to what will be one helluva game.
Lose those two and there won't be any SEC CG if TE's boys win out...
see you in atlanta...
I got news for you...if you're worried about LSU making a game of it, Florida will TORCH you...
Florida has more speed on offense than any team in the conferenceon either side of the ball since LSU's defense in 2003 or Auburn's defense in 2004...
Period, point blank, they will TORCH anyone on the field with them...They got the fire lit under them after the Ole Miss loss, and they mowed through great competition in LSU & Georgia...Say what you want, but you gave up 30+ points to Georgia, and Florida THROTTLED THEM...
You will get your doors blown off by Florida. PERIOD.
Your tigers are going to lose to Alabama for $100.
Oh, and I don't blow anyone, The_Observer...I'll leave that to experts like yourself...
I've already said I don't want to bet YOU, I want to bet BC...
Nice comeback! "I'll leave it to the experts" LOL!
I know you don't want to bet me! You wouldn't want to bet ANYONE that you thought might actually TAKE the bet! You are pathetic man. You are a very talented writer, but some of your angles are truly pathetic.
If you must know, I grew up in Fort Lauderdale as a lifelong Gator fan, but I ended up attending the University of Alabama, so I have a great deal loyalty to that place.
I couldn't be enjoying this season any more thoroughly (unless Ole Miss didn't Ole Miss us). On top of that, my Alma Mater is undefeated!
So, just get off your knees and take my bet.
I encourage you to continue with your amateur hour psychiatry angles, as they really add so much to the discourse here...
You're offering up critques of people or calling their sexuality or manhood into question while most of us are talking college football.
I care no more for your act than you care for mine, so by all means, either continue to post your tripe about my manhood, or perhaps finally choke down that I could care less what you think of me or my "pathetic angles".
What I won't do is pass judgement on you from a personal level. I won't take personal shots at your coach. I won't level or take shots at the coaches or programs you support. All of which BC regularly does. All of which fuels my ire that I direct at him. All of which you ignore...
Fair enough...but, please...get this out of your system, so we can take this back to a friendly, collegiate football level...
If I see an opportunity to bust BC's chops, I'm going to take it, because he never EVER owns up to his own hypocrisy or bashing his team's players. He's a classic frontrunner, and has proven himself time and again in this respect.
What you do is your business, but we're just about getting to the point where this is tiresome, tedious and troublesome...So, how about this...
From here on out, if you want to, just say whatever you like. Talk about how I'm a homo, or get mad because your own fans talk smack they won't back up, how I'm pathetic, whatever...Just please don't expect me to respond anymore...
You can just say that I'm just too pathetic to bother...I really don't care...
Oh, and your too pathetic to bother.
(Rinse, repeat)
Take the bet, Papa wants some new shoes! (Courtesy of TigerEducated)
Tommy is giving Alabama 10 points.
Alabama has never lost by more than 7 under Saban.
I know you guys are "fired up" over your team this year. And, rightly so, as Bama has played fantastic. One great recruiting class does not get you the overall team speed that Florida has. You are forgetting your own mantra. The very best team that the SEC has to offer, will have more team speed, than it's nearest rival will have. My bet is that Florida, with numerous top recruiting classes, has way more team speed than Alabama has. And, that will win the game. Maybe you guys ought to really worry more about LSU in this coming week. It's not gonna be the "cakewalk" that you think that it will be. You may not get lucky twice in the same year.
Everybody hear that?? When Alabama goes out and dominates a good team, it's LUCK!
Alabama should not be the number 1 team because:
1) they don't blow their opponents out every week.
2) Nick Saban is the coach.
3) they play in the SEC.
4) all their "quality wins" have resulted from luck.
5) these wins that would have been a "quality win" before the game was played, now is a win against "an overrated team".
BS.
Bama is #1...FOR THIS WEEK! All you haters think that us Bama fans automatically think that this means we will win out and play in the NC game. Wrong. All it means is that Alabama can only itself. Let me tell you this, the LSU game will not be a "cakewalk" by any means, and we know this.
Florida is Florida, and we'll worry about them once we win the West.
That's just an opinion, but its a pretty informed one...
Having said that, I have on reason to say that you aren't #1, and I do not think you've gotten here by luck...
When Florida is up for a game, they are not going to be beaten. Period.
We can agree to disagree, and considering you're a fan of Alabama, I can see why you would...
I'm just saying that I have seen them place twice, and I've watched you cats play a few times, as well, and the disparity in speed is redonkulous...You are tooled and schemed to stop an offense that doesn't exist in Gainesville...You also don't have the depth to compete with the speed on the field...
You are a very bad matchup against Florida...
Sorry, but that's just my opinion...
Yes, I have watched Florida play in many games this year. That Florida team that played Ole Miss is NOT the same team that played LSU and Georgia. This new found team is scary good - as I stated in another post.
When I said we'll "worry about them" I wasn't saying Bama would win. If it ends up Bama-Florida in ATL, then we'll worry about Florida then. Not now. We have business to finish. :)
...Starting with your team this weekend! ;)
The "luck" is that Georgia isn't their normally "very good" selves this year. Neither is LSU. That would be the 2nd "luck". If those two teams were up to their usual standards, this might have been a completely different year, in very many aspects.
But you have to give credit where credit is due.
Bama is 9-0. Nothing can be done about how the teams that were supposed to be great turned out to be a disappointment. All Bama can do is continue to win and their fate is in their own hands.
But I don't think it's "luck" how the season has turned out so far. Auburn was supposed to be good. Clemson was supposed to be good. Georgia was supposed to be great. Bama was supposed to be decent at best. "Luck" has nothing to do with any of that. It's simply who is executing and who is not.
So far, Alabama is. That's all I'm sayin'...
Are you new? Yawn....So, you think that a playoff might be benificial for some really good teams? Or, do you think that it will only benefit Southern Cal? If you believe that USC would benefit the most - then that would be the reason that it will probably not happen. Good luck getting that legislation past the SEC, Big 10 and Big 12 conferences.
Just like the Georgia fans thought they had a shot...You are simply not watching them play if you don't see what they do in space...
They are faster than Usain Bolt after a hit off a crackpipe...
Your defense is built to stop the zone run game that teams like Georgia & LSU run, but they put the rush game into space, and they will eat you alive.
Florida is the class of this conference, and its not up for debate...
Just like I won't ever pick LSU to lose, I'll more likely than not never pick Alabama to win, though when most were talking up Kentucky, I predicted an easy win for you all, as I did with Tennessee...
idk. i really dont.
i do know that unless you load the box, wilson won't have to pass.
i also know that if wilson is pressured, he isn't worth a damn.
but i also know that he can get lucky on a deep ball every once in a while.
so i have no clue.
wilson has proven to me that he won't LOSE the game for us, but he's still yet to prove that he can win it for us.
Gators are traditionally played tough by Vandy and Spurrier is like a fox sneakin' in the henhouse when he comes to the Swamp...
Even peek past either to look at a SEC CG shot and they'll drop one...
That's not even counting the freakin' game against Fraudulently Scholastic U...
Who would love nothing more than to a put a veer in the course for a MNC shot...
Please take a look at the 4th line...
Or...
Forcibly Subdued University in honor of Geno "Taze" Hayes...
Of course, I'm a homer. :-)
B) The amount of BCS points earned by thuis pack are much closer to what one would expect for an ORV team, indicating that this pack really does not belong in the top 25. Maybe one could argue this pack all just barely qualify for the top 25.
8 North Carolina @ 1 Alabama
5 Oklahoma State @ 4 Utah
6 TCU @ 3 Florida
7 Georgia @ 2 Texas
8 Ball State @ Texas Tech
5 Boise State @ 4 USC
6 Ohio State @ 3 Oklahoma
7 Missouri @ 2 Penn State
only the truest poll in college football.
i take the current top 10 BCS standings, and rearragne them to make more sense.
using the following formula:
2 parts talent, 1 part SOS, 1 part record
talent
1. USC
2. Florida
3. Alabama
4. Oklahoma
5. Penn State
6. Texas
7. Texas Tech
8. Oklahoma State
9. Boise State
10. Utah
SOS
1. Texas
2. Florida
3. Alabama
4. Oklahoma State
5. Oklahoma
6. Texas Tech
7. USC
8. Penn State
9. Utah
10. Boise State
record
T1. Alabama
T1. Texas Tech
T1. Penn State
T1. Utah
T1. Boise State
T6. Florida
T6. USC
T6. Oklahoma State
T6. Oklahoma
T6. Texas
BC POLL
1. Alabama - 10
2. Florida - 12
3. USC - 15
T4. Oklahoma - 19
T4. Penn State - 19
T4. Texas - 19
7. Texas Tech - 21
8. Oklahoma State - 26
9. Boise State - 29
10. Utah - 30
i love this poll. "it takes out the BS in the BCS, and just gives you the BC"
How is Ball State not tiesd for #1 with Record? Is 9-0 not better than 8-0?
(edited to remove non top 10)
Record:
T1: Texas Tech (9-0)
T1: Alabama
T1: Penn State
T1: Utah
5: Boise State (8-0)
T6: Texas (8-1)
T6: Oklahoma
T6: Oklahoma State
T9: Florida (7-1)
T9: USC (7-1)
This would put Florida to 15, USC to 18 and Bosie State to 33.
and i'm just focusing on the BCS top 10, and rearranging them, so Ball State isn't in the mix.
I gotta step out and take care of some business. I'm curious to see how the real recruiting numbers line up with: "the talent portion is based on my keen eye for talent, combined with my knowledge of past recruiting class rankings".
I'm gonna combine the "Scout and Rivals" ratings for the last five years. What we're gonna be looking for is the "average rating" of each player recruited. The last five years will be used, as there are very many RS Seniors, dotting everybody's rosters for this year. We'll also take in how many players were recruited. Keep in mind: the more players that were recruited = the more players that "bombed out" or could not cut it in class. I think that NCAA college football teams are limited to 84 scholarship athletes. So, the average number of recruits per season, should be around 18-19 - of which about half will be redshirted. Keep in mind: that a large recruiting class does not necessarily equate to "the best class". It's the "average rating" per player that is the critical issue. I will show you those ratings later this evening. We'll see who all is really in the Top Ten. That is your yardstick. I will not be surprised to see both Florida and LSU in the Top Five overall.
talent is more than rivals.com. it's also how the talent is developed.
for example, you know with a good coaching staff like Carroll, Saban, and Meyer, that the talent is being developed very well.
but look at Notre Dame. they are probably in the top 5 over the last 5 years, but they can't develop.
look at Texas on the defensive side of the ball.
and also, im just looking at the BCS top 10, and rearranging them.
i dont have time to rank the top 25 like that.
my keen eye for talent, and SOS, is what makes the BC Poll, well, the BC poll...
Here you go. This is the "Scout Rating". We can add Tennessee, Penn State and Texas Tech just for some giggles. This will give us fifteen teams to look at.
Scout Ratings for 2004/2008 (last five years):
1). Southern Cal (19.2) 4.13
2). Florida (23.6) 3.79
3). Texas (21.0) 3.66
4). Michigan (22.0) 3.59
5). Georgia (22.2) 3.58
6). Ohio State (19.8) 3.57
7). L.S.U. (23.6) 3.56
8). Miami (Fla.) (23.2) 3.47
9). Oklahoma (22.4) 3.45
10). Tennessee (24.4) 3.37
11). Florida State (25.8) 3.33
12). Penn State (20.6) 3.28
13). Alabama (27.4) 3.10
14). Auburn (26.2) 2.99
15). Texas Tech (24.6) 2.72
Bleed, once again, this is very interesting. You are right about Penn State - they sure don't have too much talent. Looks like I'm right about Texas Tech - as they don't have much either. Once again, both Alabama and Auburn, have the highest turnover of all teams. And this time, USC, Ohio State, Penn State and Texas have the lowest turnover ratios.
Again, Bleed, it is very interesting to me that both scouting services have Southern Cal and Florida ranked #1 and #2. Meanwhile, they don't seem to be too impressed with Alabama's overall recruiting classes over the last five years. Are you still willing to risk even one lousy dollar on the Florida game? And, Bleed, please stop with the "coaching crap" - as most all of these teams have very fine coaching. Do you understand what I am talking about yet? You don't have enough talent. The higher turnover rates make for an even younger team than normal. Alabama does not have enough talent or experience to win a MNC. Penn State and Texas Tech look just about equally as bad.
and you're right. on paper, Alabama gets crushed by USC and Florida, and there's no way they can win a NC. and i agree that it is unlikely that Alabama can beat either of these teams at this point due to the difference in depth and talent.
but you know what they say. any given saturday my friend...
but look, when looking at depth, past recruiting rankings mean everything, because you haven't seen the backups play yet.
however, when it comes to on-field talent, you can just watch them on TV.
any amatuer can tell that Alabama's defense is better than Georgia's, although recruiting rankings will disagree.
and how do you explain things like: alabama's best saftey, all-SEC Rashad Johnson was a walk-on...
as far as on-field talent goes, you've just gotta watch.
NFL scouts don't look at high school recruiting rankings, they watch the games.
catch my drift?
Every program has walk-ons. Alabama is not the only team that builds up players. USC has Clay Matthews, Jr. playing at LB and DE. He may be a 1st round NFL draft choice. He is a walk-on player. We have had several others. We've had many 3-star recruits become All-American's. It happens all day long at many schools. It's a matter of recruiting - once again. You do understand that you have to evaluate your walk-ons don't you? It's a matter of evaluating talent. I'm not knocking your coach. I know that he knows talent. My point is that he's only been there two years. Anybody that he has brought in - has not even made a full impact yet. Don't even tell me about Julio Jones. He's nothing compared to what he will be. He looks great to Bama fans because it's all you got right now. Mike McCoy could not start for most teams. Recruiting is what wins games. And then the recruits have got to gain experience. The more the merrier. You can argue until your blue in the face. I haven't overlooked anything. I understand football inside and out. You can keep bringing up your hypothetical's, "Well, did you think of this or that", but it doesn't change the fact that Alabama is gonna be outgunned at some point. Saban has done a masterful job at keeping you unbeaten so far. Why don't you go and ask Nick Saban if he disagree's with me? I'll bet you your "Girlfriend's Daddy's Estate" that he knows exactly what Alabama is facing down.
Sorry, but I'm gonna post it anyway, as I promised. Besides, Notre Dame does not rate. There are twelve different teams that ranked in the "Rivals" Top 25 in all of the last five years. As I mentioned before, with (84) scholarships to hand out, the average would be around 18-19 per year (with about half a class being redshirted). The number in parenthesis is the average number of scholarships handed out for each year. The other number is the average player rating.
Rivals Top 25 recruiting classes (last five years):
1). Southern Cal (20.4) 4.01
2). Florida (23.4) 3.73
3). L.S.U. (23.6) 3.66
4). Texas (20.8) 3.62
5). Oklahoma (23.0) 3.61
6). Georgia (23.0) 3.59
7). Ohio State (19.6) 3.57
8). Michigan (21.6) 3.56
9). Florida State (23.8) 3.53
10). Miami (Fla.) (23.8) 3.39
11). Alabama (27.8) 3.30
12). Auburn (26.4) 3.15
Just as I might have suspected, Bleed. Not only does Alabama have a low talent rating - they also have the highest turnover of all of these teams. Curiously, both Alabama and Auburn have high turnover margin compared to all these other teams. It means that many players can't cut it either in the classroom or on the football field. The lowest turnover margins are with Ohio State, USC and Texas. These three schools seem to be more able to recruit players who are gonna stay on the field. These are the actual recruiting ratings. You can clearly see which teams might have the most talent in the country. It really is not surprising at all. And, it kinda points to the fact that "coaching" really does not have to do with much. It seems to indicate that talent will win you alot of games. I'll post the "Scout" ratings for you next. Enjoy these.
coaching doesn't mean much?
then why do Michigan, Miami, and Auburn all suck this year?
how did Alabama lay an absolute beatdown on Georgia in Athens?
coaching is everything in college football...
Aided on every scoring drive except 2 by penalies or turnovers and you still had to hold on to win.
Dont make me give you the play by play, but Georgia handed you that game.
If you can finish out with wins over LSU,Miss St. AU, and Florida then ill have no doubt that your deserving of a #1. But for now youve only beat 1 team ranked in the top 43 in the country you need to just chill.
And btw they did get distroyed but it was by Florida not Bama
Could have helped out our SOS come November 29th..
No, I'n not over-looking anyone. Especially the two Tiggers left on the schedule...
;)
Both teams in the Iron bowl have a rich history of knocking off the stronger team on paper, and frankly, that's about all we Barners have to cling to now, along with our guns and religion...
I think I referenced the "sucks" part with SOS.
Get past your "gauntlet" of a schedule remaining undefeated, and then come back and we can talk about who's number one..
;)
so that's the tune auburn will be singing after thanksgiving weekend.
"six out of seven...."
haha.
typical auburn fans. living in the past...
ROFLMAO
this coming from a Bama fan- purty funny BC
I'm focused on LSU at the moment, and looking forward to my trip down to Red Stick this weekend.
Miss St. should not be over-looked either - as we have been "Croomed" the past two years.
Then, the good ol' Iron Bowl. Auburn will play the best game they've played all year, no doubt about it. (Not that they have to try really hard to accomplish that ;) )
And IF we get through those games unharmed, we will focus of Florida.
Speaking of the LSU game this weekend, I ran across this billboard that will "welcome" Saban back to Red Stick...
http://www.shreveporttimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar...
Nice people, those LSU fans.. :)
My point btw is is a good point. And so is yours but im a bit down now that the Babe has slammed me.
come back when you've recovered from your season.
youre obviously a little shaken up right now.
understandable.
soon you'll get back in the groove of things.
Alabama - big | Auburn - small
i know you forgot over the past 6 years...
BOOMER!
Coaching and game strategy do play a large part. It's even easier with more talent. Auburn had a terrible recruiting class (by their standards) four and five years ago. Throw in the "new spread offense", because of that lack of talent, and Auburn is primed for a bad year. When Tuberville was recruiting well - he was a great coach. Now, that he isn't - he's not. I'm not so sure that Randy Shannon is a great coach. Miami does have talent and is not winning. I suspect that they could have done better. Rich Rod has mangled up Michigan pretty good. He's even figured out how to destroy the defense. Seems as if he can't figure out Big 10 offenses. But, all of the other coaches are pretty good. Read my post again. I said, "Most of the coaches".
I realized after postin gthat BC had specifically stated that he only considered the current top 10.
Ball State does not fit. I should have edited that line that refered to them as well.
i've got you at #4!
that's not bad considering a loss to texas TECH is it?
TECH man. any school that loses to a TECH, can't honestly expect to go to the NC game.
haha
Right now they are undefeated and will face tough teams from here on out.
please read my comments below on this thread and try to understand that Bama wouldnt stand a chance of running the table in the B-12 and yall will probably drop a couple before its over, man I would love to see a Texas vs Bama or Texas vs Fla Bowl game, then after yall lose, you can continue with your Bias rants.
The Bama team that I've seen couldnt stop TTech, OK State, or OU much less Texas, keep on dreaming because yall might get a chance to face one of those teams and they will give yall a better game than PSU
Hookem-Horns
Alabama will most likely either play for the NC or play in the Sugar Bowl, and i dont think a B12 team can play in either of those games.
but just a thought:
if TT's defense could shut down colt mccoy, imagine how bad he'd do against Alabama, with better defenders at every position...
and if TT's O-line could dominate y'all's D-line, imagine how big the holes would be against an SEC O-line with 2 '09 NFL first rounders and 2 all-SECers....
we lost to LSU and Auburn.
and
LSU wins their remaining games.
if that doesn't happen, we're at least going to the Sugar Bowl.
i think we could drop that game.
but no way will we lose 2 out of the remaining 3.
FYI Texas rush defense is one of the best nationally and yall couldnt run the as ball effectively as you might think, yall would be forced to throw the ball and yall couldnt hang with that kind of offensive shootout. The only hope would be to grind it out on the ground and keep it away from the Texas offense.
why don't you look and see how they rank in defending the pass....OUCH
and lemme tell ya. if Texas Tech could dominate your D-Line, then Alabama would pancake your entire line on every play.
The only offensive line in the country that i'd consider being better than Alabama's would be LSU's
This Texas team has never faced a team like Alabama.
they'll dominate you up front, force you to go one-on-one with receivers, then we'll hit you with a big pass to make you come back to your senses.
Texas would in no way be able to stop Alabama's offensive attack. Texas simply doesn't have the defensive front to match up with their running game.
the question is whether or not Alabama would be able to stop Texas' offense.
The Answer:
If Texas Tech could put McCoy in the dirt, and shake him up, then Alabama would bring significant pressure on every play.
Alabama's defensive front is top-notch. we rank in the top 5 nationally in stopping the run, and we've faced Knowshon Mareno, CJ Spiller, and James Davis.
and if you think for a second that any of your receivers will EVER have good seperation, you are wrong. like those big TD passes McCoy throws where the receiver has 10 yds on the closest defender - - those never happen against Alabama.
in our secondary we have two All-SECers, one of the nation's best kick returners, and the best secondary coach in the country - Nick Saban...
don't get me wrong, Colt would still pass the ball. but i think y'all would only score about 10 points on our defense, we would dominate TOP, and we'd put up about 31 on y'alls defense.
as the nation saw in the TT game, Colt can't handle pressure very well...
we dominated in Athens in front of 90,000+ for a blackout game
we dominated in Knoxville in front of 100,000+ for a rivalry game
but we'd fall apart in front of a sold out high school stadium....
BTW I think Jones stadium holds 56,000 if Im not mistaken
BOOMER!
the game was in the middle of the day, the team was falling apart, and the culmination was an embarrassing loss at home.
that was 2007. this is 2008.
and how does that in any way prove that Lubbock's 56,000 stadium is more intimidating than Athens, Knoxville, and the GA Dome?
they don't play defense worth a damn.
i hear the announcers hyping up TT's big ol' 290 lb nose tackle who's been wreaking havoc all game long...
what would Texas do against Alabama's 370 lb. nose?
who manhandled last year's rimington trophy winner (also in the SEC).....
i see receivers wide-ass open all game long, and QBs having 10 seconds to get the ball out.
say what you will, but the SEC has the best defensive fronts in the country. NO QUESTION. even in our down year. also, the best Offensive lines to counter it. NO QUESTION.
I think it's a shame that because of the media's love affair with the longhorns, they will get the nod over a one-loss Florida or Alabama.
despicable...
Tebow was throwing 225 up 25 times as a freshmen...
Which converts to roughly a 676 lb. one rep press...
After three springs and summers of conditioning, he more than likely will bench press your car...
However, the BP and it's pectoral isolation is a relatively useless exercise in training for performance...
Much more important are multi-group lifts like C&J and Squats...
Which Timmy also happens to lift with the lineman because it's the only group that can keep up with him in lifting...
But when matched up with his ability to lead and manage the offense...
He's most dangerous takin' the snaps...
Career numbers of tossing 51TDs to 9 INTs pretty much solidifies his worth as a QB...
BOOMER! Wreck'Em (at least this weekend)
he never really makes a lot of tackles.
his main job is to occupy 2 blockers, push the pocket, and to keep blocks off of our LBs
he is REALLY effective. which is why he is projected to go NFL after 1 year in Div 1A football.
I sure hope so- aint no way yall could outscore Texas
Yalls outstanding D hasnt faced any outstanding O's
That Texas D would do well against that Bama O if our defense aint worth a dam
how come we held Arkanas to 10 points and Bama gave up 14? to the same team
I saw an outstanding defensive performance against the #1 offense in the country
I saw a true freshman drop an interception and another miss a tackle against the #1 receiver in America- with 1 second left.
Media dont love us- they like Fla, OU, USC etc etc
We got to earn it- yall will probably drop one and meet Texas in a Bowl
I cant wait
Hookem-Horns
And I was impressed until TT let the Horns back in it and needed a desperation toss up and missed tackle to win...
I'll tell you now, young Tyler, where the lack of respect stems from...
Watching the lower or unranked team in the B-12 CG win 50% of the time since it's inception...
The .468 win percentage in the BCS...
It's just hard to take the B-12 seriously...
"The way both of our lines went at each other was some really really good quality action"!
What? I didn't see any line play at all. I saw defensive linemen waltzin' up toward the QB. I did see McCoy on the ground about two or three times - but I never saw Harrell hit the turf even once. I'm sorry - that's not quality line play. Wide Receivers were open all over the field. Cause: lack of defensive pressure. No blitzing at all. No defense - period! Watch some other games, where somebody might play some defense, and you might come to understand what quality line play looks like.
brag about your line play all you want as yall rack up wins against Wash & Wash St
You all right, man? You seem pretty shook up. You still have a great shot. Just win out, take the Big 12 title, and your probably in. I think that Texas Tech is gonna lose to Oklahoma State maybe. And, I'm very certain that Oklahoma is gonna kill them. Longhorns are gonna be just fine. It's only one very unlucky loss.
My prediction OK state @ TTech- either way- OK state won last year, but now both teams are better, the home team has the edge, but anything can happen
Cowboys over Raiders-tossup home team Raiders
Raiders over Sooners-tossup home team Sooners
Cowboys over Sooners-tossup home team Cowboys
Tommie I'm a Horns fan so I always pull against the Sooners- I'll even pull for A&M this weekend
Kinda reminds me of the wineing coach thread, but lets not revisit that one Ron, Texas Tech,Oregon,TCU seems like the Sooners have really been victums alot- sorry man- you right-I cant stop laughing Ron
Look bud -you brought it up-not me
Hookem-Horns
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You know Ron you cant give Leech & co 88 seconds with a 1 point lead, drop INT and miss tackles when its all on the line, kinda sad for the two freshman DBs.
BTW I saw a pair of foxes prior to the game and though it was a good omen, later after the game-I thought maybe the two foxes symbolized- Leech & Brown
Foxes are red and they raid "chicken coops" or any other small animal they can get their hands on. So, the "Omen" was that they were "Red Raiders". The only part that I can't figure out, is how in the world, did they mistake a "Longhorn" for a very small animal?
BTW they ought to change the name of TTech Red Raiders to Black Raiders
In the old SWC days it was white helment and red jersy
Wow...
And I thought I smoked a lot of weed...
I just looked outside and saw a racoon
of course its not game day-so it really doesnt mean anything- come to think of it- a racoon has a mask kinda like a Red Raider
Its not gameday- Sunday I saw a black deer doesnt really mean anything either
but what if on last Saturday I'd seen a pair of skunks instead of foxes?
Look I'm the kinda person that spits twice after a black cat croses my path.
Now I'm begining to think the foxes represented Harrel & Crabtree
it goes both ways- the games over
Texas lost the game- gotta focus on BU now
Hookem-Horns
BOOMER!
Hookem Horns
CFB is all about luck...
You need luck for the right teams to lose in front of you when you're simmering near the edge...
We certainly saw luck last Sat evening in Lubbock on that desperation heave into double coverage and the following inexplicable missed tackle...
I'd say luck is easily 25 percent of the mix in CFB...
Man, your not hearing what the man is saying. In the Big 12 - this is a designed play. The offense knows that no amount of guys can cover anybody, and as soon as they catch it, nobody is gonna tackle them. Any pass at all will work 99% of the time in the Big 12 conference. These guys could not defend a pass if NATO themselves were callin' the shots!
Read your own comment...
You just credited "luck" for TT to have the time to be able to even have the shot at winning...
"Luck" is a big part of sports...
Period...
It's not a "timing" route, goofy...
It's a "read" route...
Harrell's job on that play is to "read" where the corner is and make the decision to either throw it above or behind depending on the positioning of the defender...
I can't believe I just had to explain your own team's offensive strategy to you...
The "lucky" part is that Earl Thomas was apparently playing the ball rather than taking the bead on Crabtree...
No idea what he was thinking there...
Jealousy is an ugly thing.
LOL...
Well Bama is 9-0 at this point and that is to be commended.
However, regardless of what people want to say about the tough SEC the numbers speak for themselves.
What appeared to be a very tough schedule at the begining of the year has turned out to be somewhat of a cream puff. with only 1 win of a team ranked higher then 43 i dont quite understand how they get so much SOS consideration.
Clemson ranks 58, Tulane103, Western Kentucky120, Akansas 55, Georgia 11,Kentucky 51, Miss
43, Tenn 69,ARK st.92.
Now compare that to Penn states 3 teams ranked 39 or higher kind of makes you wonder what they are thinking.
This weekend will be a tougher test but i think they match up well with them.
Wake up dude! Where were these teams ranked when Alabama played them?
Hookem-Horns
Geaux Tigers
Go Cowboys
Gigem-Aggies
Having played both Bama and FLA, I give the edge to FLA just for the kill mode they are in right now. I agree with Ramblin Gator (I can't believe I just said that) but they are taking care of business better than any team in the SEC right now. I think everyone will see what I am talking about after the LSU-Bama game this weekend. I think Les and the boys will beat BAMA. BAMA has been on auto pilot and I think that LSU will sneak one out in Baton Rouge.
On another shocking subject brought forth by a member of the SEC, I think the two best teams played this past weekend and they aren't from the SEC; TX and TX Tech would beat any of the SEC teams on the National stage. I know BC thinks the D is weak in the Big 12 and I have to agree that they do give up the points, but FLA gave up 398 yards to the DAWGS. It won't be any different against a TX or TX Tech. The only difference will be about 100 more yards and they won't stall in the redzone. FLA will have to outscore them, and they might, but I doubt it. BAMA sure as hell wouldn't do it.
Anyway, that's what my head thinks, but my heart says go Commadores and Gamecocks. Beat those sorry a$$ jean shorts-wearing Gators!
GO DAWGS!!--the homer is back
Good luck the rest of the season
Adios Tomcat
If this system were in place, you might convince Joe Pa to come down South and take on a SEC or Big 12 team. He would have nothing to lose and everything to gain by taking on potential conference champions.
The game as a whole would be better because teams would stop playing down into Div 1 FCS to pick up easy wins. Every game would count as the non-conference wins the cellar dwellers rack up would raise the standing of the whole conference. As the season approaches the end, every game would be worth more as the wins add up, just like a playoff.
The bowl games would mean so much more because all the wins would mix at the end creating a very dynamic three weeks of football.
Think about it.
It makes way too much sense. It can never be. There would be no way to actually manipulate the National Championship game - and make it fair for all. We would not have "political correctness" in college football. And, as we all know, that would be mean spirited. It would be better if we just quit complaining and just excepted all of this injustice. It's the "American Way".
So what your saying is that if an SEC team beats the sun belt champ in regular season they get a point for every win the sunbelt champ had that year?
Well if thats what your saying thats nuts.
ill give you an example, Oklahoma distroyed TCU. TCU is 9-1 in the mountain west with wins over powerhouses like Stephin Austin,unlv and the likes. And your suggesting Oklahoma get a point for every win TCU gets because they beat them?
And then somehow you think that will encourage teams like Penn State to play tougher competetion. Maybe i just didnt understand your system.
Your argument does make sense. I've always proposed some kinda of "initial rating system" similar to our current BCS standing. Then, there are 120 Division I teams, that can be ranked. You would accumulate 120 points for a win over the #1 rated team, 111 points for a win over the 10th rated team, and 1 point for a win over the 120th rated team.
These rankings would flucuate every week as each game was being played. But, in the end, you would tally up all "points earned" - and the Top Two would play for the National Championship. This would give us many more competitive games played on the field. This would cut out all of the non-sense of scheduling Division II teams and much lower rated mid-major and BCS opponents. The "run for the National Championship" would finally get real.
I'm interested in hearing you explain the UGA win. I also want to hear how UGA handed the game to Bama.
Ready. Set. Go.
Ill just say this, on your first drive you would have had to settle for a field goal try if not aided by a 15 yard penaly on 3rd down.so we can -4. On Bama second possesion same thing 25 yards of penalties possibly -3.
Bamas 3rd possesion was a nice drive.
4th possesion was on a fumble by Georgia where noone even hits Green he just fumbles.
Well any way you get the point. Bottom line is you got the W. But IMO it wasnt a dominate start to finish performance like Florida had this weekend against Georgia.
Now when they got the pick in the 3rd quarter, feel free to call it dominate all you want from that point on. Absolutely outrageous performance by the DAWGS from that point on. I have not seen anything like it since the Ray Goof days. Florida took us to the wood shed and beat that a$$. Let's here it for the Commadores this weekend. Blackdawg, where you at man?
GO DAWGS!!
It's a simple question about UGA that nobody can seem to answer...
You wanna take a crack at it?
What's the question? I will give it a shot?
I think that before he passed out with the "Gas Mask" wrapped around his head, that ol' GatorHippy was probably wonderin', if the "Gonj" up at the UGA was as good as the "Chronic" that he was coppin' down in Florida? Sadly, he hasn't "come to" yet. Must be some pretty good sheeeeit!
brilliant seeing how we were still in the game at that point.
Georgia had lots of penalties in the first half that stalled their drives, and killed their momentum in the game last week vs. the gators. Matt Stafford had how many turnovers last week?
Bottom line is: Bama took it to the Dawgs in the 1st half,and played very conservative in the second half, which is typical of Nick Saban. Don't take my word for it though, ask TE, he'll tell ya how Nick Saban coaches. That's who 1st told me of his style, and he was dead on...
Nice try, though.
back
You know, the way I see it, with this system, there will never be a clear cut Champion. Take last year for example,
LSU v OSU--everyone knows OSU would not have made it through the first round of a playoff
But I think I figured out why nobody wants a play-off sytem. It's because they know that only teams from the SEC would get to compete against each other for the trophy every year. I guess we do need to let other Conferences have fun too, and let them think they are top notch. I will not say that BCS gets it wrong all the time; but I think the main problem in the whole system is if you time your losses right, you still may get a chance at the end of the season when better teams are out there. Sad really
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Gigem-Aggies
Go Cowboys
Unfortunately the better team doesn't always win...
As displayed last Saturday night in Lubbock...
If so, may I suggest OU just phoning in their game against the Dread Pirates...
Since the Sooners already lost to Texas at home Tech must obviously be better than OU...
So why even have them waste the gas...
Right?
The better team can lose any day to a team that plays better...
Especially when dealing with 18-22 year olds...
Examples:
Florida / Mississippi 2008
W Va / E Car 2008
Michigan / Appy State 2007
Alabama / LA Monroe 2007
SoCal / Stanford 2007
FSU / NC St 1998
Wisco / Cincy 1999
FSU / So Miss 1989
Oklahoma / Kansas 1975
Do I need to keep going?
[pats the Red Raiders on the back]
Good job, boys...
Better?
I think you got it now...
;-]
So, there has never been an "upset" in college football, right? The best team always wins. So, when Boise State beat Oklahoma, and Oregon beat Oklahoma - the best team won those games. Do you realize that Oklahoma lost three games in 07'. That's right - three of them. Now, maybe West Virginia was better. But, by the end of last year, nobody looked better than Oklahoma did. Did that mean that the other two games that they lost, that the two teams that they lost to, were better than Oklahoma? Or, how about the two games that LSU lost in 07'? Do you really think that Kentucky and Arkansas were both better than LSU was? If so, why weren't Kentucky and Arkansas playin' for all the marbles?
You get no argument from me there...
Gigem-Aggies
OU beats Texas Texas beats A&M A&M beats OU A&M conf Champ
Texas beats KSU OU beats Texas KSU beats OU KSU conf Champ
Texas beats OU Texas beats Neb KSU beats Texas Neb vs OU Champ game
This years south is plum crazy BTW both A&M & BU are improving and could pull an upset- dont count anybody out yet- You cant worry about what you cant control just take care of business everyday and do your best
The season is far from over and dont forget Texas has a trip to Lawrence to face a good KU team
Then I woke up.
About the TCU-Oklahoma question, you are almost right. Oklahoma only picks up 8 wins from TCU as TCU played down for one of their wins. The point is that TCU is one of the top teams in a weaker FBS conference. Beating TCU obviously means more than beating San Diego State(1 FBS win) or some Div 1 FCS team. By comparison, the week before that Texas Tech was beating up on Massachusetts, a Div 1 FCS team. Oklahoma should receive more credit for their win that week as their opponent was definitely tougher than Tech's.
Taken as a whole, Win Factor is an easy way to balance out the conferences without the use of subjective polls or complex statistics.
Ball State's Win Factor is 14 which is good for only 41st place in national rankings. Central Michigan is actually higher in the Win Factor rankings at 17. CM lost to Georgia and Purdue. WinFactor correctly positions these teams based on performance on the field and not the perfect record. They play each other on Nov 19 to see who will be the class of the MAC. Either way, neither of these teams should even be in the Top 25 based on who they've beaten.
Boise State and Utah fare better with matching Win Factors of 26. This puts them in the top 10 for now but there aren't enough wins in either teams remaining schedule to keep them there even if they win out. These teams are good but their conferences haven't racked up enough non-conference victories to carry them very high in the end.
Again, Win Factor doesn't care about your perfect record against less-than-stellar opponents. Wins over winning teams are what count.
My bad. You need to cheer for Tech. You need the three way tie to have a shot. Now I get it.
The win improves their Win Factor to 19 temporarily moving them to 21st in the national standings. Remember most of the teams above them in Win Factor haven't even played yet this week. By Sunday, Ball State will probably be 15th in the BCS. At the same time they will probably slide back down in the 40's based on their Win Factor.
MAC fans will whine about how the BCS formula is keeping them out of the Top 10. I would argue that the BCS formula (the polls mostly) is actually giving them a boost.
Other than the MAC fans out there, does anybody really believe Ball State belongs in between LSU and Michigan State?????
TCU (8 Wins, Winfactor 24) vs Utah (8 Wins, Winfactor 26)
Texas Tech (7 Wins, Winfactor 28) vs OSU (7 Wins, Winfactor 20)
By the way, before you whine about the win counts above, remember that those are FBS wins. Wins against lower division teams count for "NADA" in Win Factor.
Also, Texas still leads the country with a Win Factor of 37 but the three games remaining to them(Baylor, A&M, Kansas) won't let them pull away from Tech and Oklahoma. If either Tech or Oklahoma wins out, they should pass Texas on the way to the Big 12 championship.