A great regular season and a great Big XII South. There really is a huge argument for three teams..all of them are really good TT,OU,and UT. At the end of it all two good teams get left out which isn't fair but the Sooners are heading to Kansas City!! We have a lot of work left though starting with Mizzou..it's just one game harder now. I'll be looking forward to dem Gators in Miami.
BP
· 1 year ago
Texas lost Tech; Texas beat osu by 4 at home; did texas win a big game on the road?
AUtigerman
· 1 year ago
Texas didnt play Oklahoma at home it was a neautral field.
Wayne Harrell
· 1 year ago
No! Texas does not normally schedule competative opponents on the road. I am going by what I read on their past schedules. Their future non-conference opponents are not that competative either.
badgerballer
· 1 year ago
Texas schedules its conference games?? And manages to do so in such a way that it does not have to play competitive road games? As far as non-conference, I think back-to-backs against Ohio State would tend to counter your point.
Fanof theGame
· 1 year ago
Texas does not schedule competative opponents on the road? Are you kidding me? Remember when Texas had to go to "The Shoe" and play Ohio State. Texas was to play Arkansas next year on the road but Arkansas cancelled that game. I know most of you say Arkansas competative but I also hear out of the SEC fans moth how the SEC is better than all other conferences and how the bottom feeders can beat the best in other conferences. At least this year Texas played all FCS football teams unlike OU wh played Ten-Chattanooga.
Jason
· 1 year ago
OU also beat the Big East Champion, Cincinnati. They also had a scheduled road game against PAC 10's Washington, who unfortunately had their worst season ever, but this game was scheduled 4 years ago.
Arkansas was not very competitive this year either though, considering they were in a rebuilding year with a new coach.
soonerborn
· 1 year ago
Here is Texas non conf schedule
Aug. 30 Florida Atlantic W 52-10 not ranked Sep. 6 at Texas-El Paso W 42-13 not ranked Sep. 20 Rice W 52-10 not ranked Sep. 27 Arkansas W 52-10 not ranked
OU non conf schedule Aug 30 UT Chattanooga W 57-2 Not Ranked Sep 6 Cincinnati Norman W 52-26 #13 At end of Season Sep 13 at Washington W 55-14 not ranked Sep 27 TCU W 35-10 #11 end of season Yes OU played poor old Tenn.- Chat. But seriously Rice, UTEP, they arent that much better than Tenn.- Chat. OU also played two top fifteen teams in their non conf schedule two teams that could possibly make a bcs bowl game. Texas won 1 hard game all season that was against OU in Dallas. You beat #20 Mizzou at home #14 OSU(by 4 pts.) at home and you lost to Tech in Lubbock. OU lost to Texas by 10 in dallas and beat every other team by at least 20 points. It dosnt matter what anybody says weather they are OU, UT, or TT fans at least 2 teams got screwed out of this deal. Truthfully I would like to see Oklahoma vs, Texas in NCG. I would love to for Stoops to hold up his 2nd crystal ball right in Mac Browns Face.
gohorns1012
· 1 year ago
so i guess bobby stoops uses telepathy to communicate with evil forces with the inside information on who is going to be ranked what at the end of the season. you and everyone else did not expect cinn or tcu to be ranked when these games wre actually scheduled. by arkansas has been good the past few years, this year? mabee not. but they are an sec team, that was scheduled to play texas years before the actual game. what do you wish us to do? hire a phycic or palm reader? seriously, texas played and beat tcu last year and they were a surprise then too..i guess no one will admit that texas could have beaen these teams just like OU did...get over it. the real texas fans have and we are happy to have a shot at 5 straight bowl wins, including 2 rose bowls and beaten OU 3 out of those 5 years....not too bad
soonerborn
· 1 year ago
Cinnci you are right but for the last 6 or 7 years TCU has been a solid football team. I hope Texas does win their bowl, that is usually one of the only games I root for them. It makes the big 12 standout. You are right about Arkansas they sometimes are really good but even you have to admit that the SEC is not as good as it usually is. Do you honestly think that the top 4 teams in the SEC are as good as the top 4 in our conf.
gohorns1012
· 1 year ago
in previous years you could say that was true, but i definately think the big 12 is the best this year
1Tomcat
· 1 year ago
Yes They beat Oklahoma in Dallas Cotton Bowl The Biggest Game Beat UTEP in the Sun Bowl Beat Colo in Boulder Beat KU in Lawrence Hookem-Horns prediction OU will clobber Missu then advance to lose to Fla/Bama Texas will win their bowl like they do every year
Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
"USC with a loss to UCLA"???
First, let me apologize because my mental capacity is far below 100% during my recovery day, but Texas doesn't have a chance to play in a BCS game? Seriously?
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
Fixing now.
Kevin @ Fanblogs
· 1 year ago
USC is already going to a BCS game - the Rose Bowl. I think the USC loss language is a reference to Oregon State??
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
If USC loses to UCLA, there will be a three way tie between USC, Oregon and Oregon State. Oregon loses the cascading down the standings comparison tie breaker and Oregon State beats USC head to head.
This puts Oregon State into the Rose Bowl and a diminished USC into the at large pool.
Kevin @ Fanblogs
· 1 year ago
Right... my point exactly... which is this "The following teams have a chance at earning BCS Eligibility: Ohio State, Boise State, USC with a loss to UCLA," in the OP isn't correct.
Kevin @ Fanblogs
· 1 year ago
Ben - I still think the OP is incorrect. USC is not into the BCS if they lose to UCLA. Can you take a look that the OP and edit?
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
USC has 9 wins. They would not fall below #14, even with a loss to UCLA. They are USC, they don't fall in the polls.
They would be in the at large pool.
The at large pool is arranged in order of most likely to be selected. I have them below Boise State and above TCU.
They would be BCS eligible. Like TCU and Ball State they would not be picked.
gohorns1012
· 1 year ago
they already got screwd for the big 12, no i don't think they have a chance, no matter what happens, the bcs will find a way to screw them again. you'll see lsu in the bcs title game before texas...stupid computers are taking over the world
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
I still have a small fiddle from 2004 that you can borrow and play...
Sucks for Texas, but style points were in play. Oklahoma keeps hanging 60+ on everyone and it got noticed...
This happened with Georgia last year (high BCS ranking, but no title game) and it didn't get near the press...
gohorns1012
· 1 year ago
at the same time they get 41 points hung on them..and keep your fiddle, you guys need it more than me....Ut will have the better record come february...will thay remain #2 when florida spanks-em? be realistic, the game is in florida UT will finish 12-1 OU will finish 12-2. and the rankings will change once again--hook-em
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
Georgia did not get left out of the SEC championship game because they had a lower BCS standing either...
Skip
· 1 year ago
Maybe this is divine retribution for Mack Brown's pathetic politicking for the 2005 Rose Bowl slot.
Fanof theGame
· 1 year ago
Pathetic Politicking? Ummm it was going to come down to Cal or Texas in the Rose Bowl versus Michigan. Well we know how that story went...one of the best Rose Bowls beside the USC-Texas Rose Bowl. Cal went out and got embarrassed in their bowl game. Texas with a one loss to OU that year was way better than a one loss Cal team...give me a break.
gohorns1012
· 1 year ago
you mean the rose bowl they beat michigan or the won they beat usc
hrposon
· 1 year ago
And Texas won the 2005 Rose Bowl.
Jason
· 1 year ago
ESPN is apparently in Mack's corner since they called him during the Oklahoma-Okie State game to let him do some more politicking.
OU_Ron
· 1 year ago
In fairness to ESPN, they did ask Stoops if he wanted to speak to them during the Texas/ATM game, but he declined....
Jason
· 1 year ago
And that's why Bob Stoops has class and Mack Brown doesn't.
soonerborn
· 1 year ago
They also asked Stoops for an interview during the Texes vs Texas A&M game he declined said he was tired of politican. I don't think ol Mac Brown will ever quit politican
gohorns1012
· 1 year ago
either way, if mizzou wins i will never consider them big 12 champs and if OU wins they will still know they're not the best in the big 12, as neither team beat texas. this just gets us fired up for 09 and i'll bet colt will stay in austin to seek the undefeated season that Texas apparently has to have to play for the NC. all you OU fans rest easy, for you have managed to slip by the better team again. what a bunch of bevocrap--go texas!!! after all it's the standings after the bowls that count...and unless OU gets their D together looks like we will be #2 at the end of it all. not bad for a buch of guys not expected to win 8 games
GoBoomer
· 1 year ago
Just looking at both teams (OU/UT) schedules ...it seems OU played 5 ranked teams and UT only 4. Both teams lost to ranked teams during the season. So, OU won 4 out of 5 and UT 3 out of 4 vs ranked teams during the regular season. In my opinion, it doesn't matter who beat who, b/c UT lost to TTU and OU to UT. You have to look at the entire season and the strength of schedule. I would agrue that OU had a harder schedule than UT. Both teams are outstanding but with areas to work on...no team is perfect (maybe BAMA....I'm not a BAMA fan either). If UT played one more ranked team during the regular season, then they would be going to the Big 12 instead of OU. Here's the bottomline, if either team would have taken care of business...then this would not be an issue. I would love to see OU and UT play in the BCS championship. I think it sucks that a computer had to decide TTU,UT, and OU fate. Final thought, Big 12 rocks!...and we all should cheer on any team playing in for any bowls or championship title. Yes...I went to OU and I cheered louder then the next guy when UT kicked USC rear-end.
TEXASFIGHT
· 1 year ago
i will not cheer on the sooners this years just like i rooted against them in their last 4 bcs losses. do you even know what a sooner is? its a cheater. someone who who back in the day would screw others out of land by taking land that wasnt theirs. no different this year, taking something that isnt theirs. the only top 25 team this year who had least points allowed was alabama. does any body believe in defense this year or does the stupid computer just wanna see how many points you can score. it appearantly doesnt matter how many are scored on you as long as you put one more upi on them. the system sucks and so does ou. ou sucks. make it 5 in a row this year. 5 bcs losses. thats gotta be a record, right?
GoBoomer
· 1 year ago
WOW...upset are we! Don't hate OU b/c they got in the Big 12 championship. But ,You like me can hate the current system. You can petition your school to (UT) influence the Big 12 commissioner to change the system. If you elect not to petition...thats your right as an American. Then you dont have a leg to stand on! In the pass years, you're right OU did lose 4 bcs titles in a row. I'm here to say that my team choked. Big time! But, that's life. Did OU cheat their way into the BIg12 championship...NO! No one on that team had any influence on the voters or the computer calculations. Even Stoops gave up on his vote and did not comment on TV what he thought. Stoops, Bradford, the rest of the team, and this sooner thinks the UT football club is simple outstanding. SO, please tell US how did OU cheat? UT beat OU hands down. TTU beat UT hands down. OU beat TTU. Who is better? I think all three teams are outstanding and should play each other in a heads up match to go to the Big12. For the sooner definition: Yes, a sooner is one that cheated ...and to compare OU to them is just plain stupid. It makes yor argument weak. Plus, it happened like 100 years ago and you were not there. So, you really can not talk about a subject you have no personal first hand knowledge of. I wish UT and every Big 12 team playing in a bowl the best of luck. I hope you have a change of heart for OU...b/c that hatred will cause health problems.
Rae
· 1 year ago
Stoops did not give up his vote voluntarily - it was TAKEN AWAY because OU was on probation for ....cheating. Paying players for a job that they did not do....
OU_Ron
· 1 year ago
That's ridiculous....try again
gohorns1012
· 1 year ago
good thread, another good OU fan-an honest one
foiled
· 1 year ago
I'd rather be a Sooner than a cow.
gohorns1012
· 1 year ago
they'd probably rather be cows than morons..that was stupid and pathetic
gohorns1012
· 1 year ago
ou-boomer, it is a pleasure communicating with you and ou-ron.you guys make realistic arguments and don't make excuses..after all , it only hurts the players..please disregard my latest post to few ou moron fans out their and know that i'm a fan of the conference. i'm a texas fan, and i may not agree with everyting you say but you say it with class and that gives you "style points" congrats
soonerborn
· 1 year ago
So I guess that Texas Tech is the best team since they beat Texas. This is what agrivates me Texas was wanting this to be a two team tie. IT WAS NOT IT WAS A THREE TEAM TIE, and as bad as it sucks for the Texas and Texas Tech fans at the end of the season OU won the tie breaker. It can't be blamed on voters or computers it can only be blamed on Texas and Techs AD's for having such a weak non confrence schedule. Crap put at least one team that has a chance of being ranked at the end of the season and Texas fans are making reservations at Harrah's in K.C. and playing for a BIG 12 Title.
gohorns1012
· 1 year ago
yea , i agree that tech got the cold shoulder as well, texas always schedules at least 1 OOC that is competitve and those games are scheduled years in advance, for instance two years in a row they played ohio state. no one knew a few years ago, or even preseason, that arkansas would be that weak this year. in my opinion, tech gets the worst end of this because of the bcs, they are #7 and will not get to a bcs bowl
Tom_Blogical
· 1 year ago
I agree that Texas is getting screwed. They beat OU head-to-head at a neutral site. That should be a large factor in the algorithm used.
Bobby
· 1 year ago
It was, just not as big as the fact that they got beat by tech. Nobody wants to remember that though. Maybe ole miss should be playing in the SEC championship game becuase they beat Florida at Florida. That has to mean that they are the better team right?
Tom_Blogical
· 1 year ago
Um...everyone remembers it, and they also remember it took a last second play for Tech to beat Texas at home, and then they also remember Tech got absolutely throttled by the same team Texas beat by 10 at a neutral site. You know. That team called Oklahoma? As I recall, that was a 65-21 shellacking.
Everyone remembers all that except you, though.
Jason
· 1 year ago
What no one remembers is the fact the Longhorns were down 22-6 at halftime against Texas Tech and didn't even have the lead until the fourth quarter.
Oh and no one else remembers that OU lead the OU-Texas until fourth quater after OU linebacker Ryan Reynolds injured his knee.
Tom_Blogical
· 1 year ago
Right. There's a reason nobody remembers, nor cares about those little nuggets of information. They're inconsequential. (Said in best Dr. Evil voice).
gohorns1012
· 1 year ago
excuses jason, excuses.............the texas -TT game was just as everyone said it would be in lubbock--a shootout with the last team with the ball winning and if you ask me coming from behind to beat a "better" team is more impressive than blowing out someone that doesn't have a prayer statistically........come up with something better. oh thats right, texas won that game
Jason
· 1 year ago
Actually Texas Tech won that game. Too bad, so sad Texas couldn't knock Crabtree out of bounds. Then you wouldn't be crying in your beer right now.
gohorns1012
· 1 year ago
thats big of you considering you are an OU fan 45-35 poser
NMLSooner
· 1 year ago
I agree head to head should be the deciding factor when picking a division champion when both team have the same record. Therefore, Texas Tech is the division winner because of their head-to-head win over Texas! See that's the problem, h-to-h only works with two teams, not three.
Tom_Blogical
· 1 year ago
I understand that, but once again, looking at the style points and in how the Big 12 uses the BCS for tiebreakers, Texas Tech got shellacked by OU, so your scenario doesn't work either. I know you're just making a point, obviously, but the Texas Tech scenario makes things even worse.
The Big 12 needs to revamp their tiebreaking rules to those similar to the SEC. I think we can all agree on that.
NMLSooner
· 1 year ago
Who shellacked TT? OU did! By that logic OU would have eliminated themselves by winning by too large of a margin. That does not make sense. I understand if people think UT is better and should have been chosen, and the same for TT, but I just think the arguments should make sense, and I personally don't think this one does.
Tom_Blogical
· 1 year ago
The bottom line is this. OU lost to Texas by 10 at a neutral site. Texas Tech beat Texas by a last second TD at home and OU blew out TT at home. That statement alone implies Texas should be ranked ahead of both OU and TT. By a slim margin, it should be Texas, OU, TT.
Take your Sooner-colored glasses off and perhaps that argument will make sense to you. If OU-Ron, another regular commenter here, is able to do it, so can you.
NMLSooner
· 1 year ago
The "bottom line" is OU is going to the Big XII Championship game and UT is not. Apparently there are a lot of people voting who have the Crimson shades on too. IF THEY HAD PICKED UT I WOULD HAVE BEEN DISAPPOINTED, BUT FINE WITH THAT! I just think your logic is not...logical_tom.
Tom_Blogical
· 1 year ago
"IF THEY HAD PICKED UT I WOULD HAVE BEEN DISAPPOINTED, BUT FINE WITH THAT!"
That's reasonable, but remember, they're saying the computer algorithms actually gave OU a slight bump, not the human voters. I still think the Big 12's tiebreaker is seriously flawed by using a system that's not complete until the end of the season. Talk about illogical.
"I just think your logic is not...logical_tom.
Of course you don't. I don't agree with the voters wearing Crimson shades, because by their "logic", Oklahoma should've blown out Texas by more than the 34 points they beat TT by. So please explain how that "logic" is justified?
Just so you know, I'm not a Sooner hater...if the roles for Texas and OU were reversed, I'd be saying OU got screwed.
Tom_Blogical
· 1 year ago
Furthermore, the voters (the BCS rankings), as you pointed out, have also said that Texas Tech is the "worst" (I say that in quotes because how bad can a 1-loss team be?) of the 3 schools. So, given that everyone already thinks TT is the lesser of the 3, TT is eliminated from the discussion and it's now down to deciding who is the better of the 2, Texas or Oklahoma. Well, now you're looking at the head-to-head matchup between UT and OU.
Now go ahead and try explaining the "lack of logic" in that statement. So, having read that, do you still think the Big 12's tiebreaker rules are just fine? Further still, I'd say the Championship Game should have 2 of the 3 schools, UT, OU, or TT in it (obviously, I think UT and OU should play again), since I personally think better Conference records should mean more than Conference divisions, but that's just me.
NMLSooner
· 1 year ago
I say we agree to disagree:)
Tom_Blogical
· 1 year ago
Alright. Good luck to your team in the Big 12 Championship Game.
1Tomcat
· 1 year ago
Its all okay Tom This aint the first time that the Champ game features two teams that lost to Texas during the regular season. In order for Texas to ever advance they have to play every play of every game perfect and go undefeated, kinda of a shame for the team and a couple of fresh DBs, dropped int and a missed tackle cost them a chance a undefeated season and advancement. BTW only two teams have had perfect seasons in the XII OU 2000 UT 2005 Texas beat OU 3 outa the last 4 1 champ game for Texas 3 for OU
Tom_Blogical
· 1 year ago
Well said, 1Tomcat. You're a good sport.
gohorns1012
· 1 year ago
those big 12 champs that choked against texas and probably on their way to 5 straight bcs bowl losses 45-35 all year long
Jason
· 1 year ago
Last I checked the "neutral site" was in Texas.
And Texas barely escaped with a win against Okie State at Austin. While Oklahoma thumped Okie State at Stillwater by 20 points. Oklahoma is the only team with a quality road game. Oklahoma beat the Big East Champion. Who did Texas play? UTEP? Arkansas in a rebuilding year?
Look at the whole season and you see that the better team is going to represent the Big 12 South.
Tom, lets just hope both of our teams can break our BCS losing streaks this year, assuming they both make it that far.
Tom_Blogical
· 1 year ago
These are much more reasonable arguments than the halftime score and the injuries you brought up earlier. I still have a problem with the tie-breaking rules in the Big 12. As I told NMLSooner above, I'm not a Sooner hater...if the roles for Texas and OU were reversed, I'd be saying OU got screwed.
Mr2Bits
· 1 year ago
"While Oklahoma thumped Okie State at Stillwater by 20 points"
The final score doesn't give justice to this game going back and forth deep into the fourth quarter. OU could have easily lost and didn't dominate as much as the box score denotes
Jason
· 1 year ago
Okie State should have had 35 points. Too bad the referees dropped the ball and didn't award Nic Harris the fumble. I thought every play was reviewed in the Big 12.
Fanof theGame
· 1 year ago
"Let's hope both of our teams can break our BCS losing streaks this year?"
You're kidding right? Last time I checked, Texas was 2-0 in BCS ball games. OU is like 1-3 or 1-4 but who's counting?
Tom_Blogical
· 1 year ago
FanoftheGame:
Jason was referring to my team--Ohio State--not Texas.
gohorns1012
· 1 year ago
texas has won 5 straight bowl games and ou lost four straight. bcs losing streak? the cotton bowl is closer to norman by about 7 miles. makes since. all ous players come from texas...more fans , parents, even game. where do they find these clowns? duhhhhhh
Jason
· 1 year ago
Tom_Blogical has an Ohio State helmet next to his name. Are you sure you watch football? Do you even know what your team's helmet looks like?
gohorns1012
· 1 year ago
dude you come up with the most child like arguments i have seen on this whole site. i'll bet you're a big brother blogger too and devote all of your spare time coming up with crap that a 4 year old could top, don't even talk to me until you have something that you didn't get off a cereal box or cracker jacks
bevohasaides
· 1 year ago
Would you like a bit of cheese?
gohorns1012
· 1 year ago
sure it'll go good with the beer i drank when texas beat ou and mizzou, and you would probably have the inside info on bevos stds. would you like a dictionary?
Roady3
· 1 year ago
All Texas had to do is beat Tech in Lubbock and they would be there, but they couldn't do it ! Tech couldn't beat OU in Norman ! Thats the way it is. You have to win a tough road game to win the Big 12. OU is a much better team now then at the first of the season, everyone knows they are the best Big 12 team right now ! Texas hasn't put 60 points up on anybody this season. All objective people know Texas would lose to OU if they played today based on the way each team is playing and scoring points the last few weeks ! And for the record, Tech's lose is to a higher rated team then either OU or Texas' loses, based on the current rankings !!! Tech's only lose is to the now #2 team in the country. OU's lose is to #3 team, and Texas' lose is to a #7 team. If OK. ST. had played texas in Stillwater, Texas would probably have lost ! Without a playoff, this is the way it is !!!
Fanof theGame
· 1 year ago
I am so sick and tired of hearing how OU is better than Texas. Everyone was talking about how hot the OU team was playing before the RRS and how much better OU was over Texas. OU was even favored over Texas to win the game. Then comes Oct 11th and Texas flat out beat OU by 10 points. Now we hear how OU is so hot after their loss and how much better they are playing than Texas. The matter of the fact is, no matter how hot OU was or is...Texas beat them heads up. And to say that we all know OU would beat Texas if they played today is ridiculous...everyone was saying that before Oct 11th...45-35...enough said!
Go Boomer
· 1 year ago
True...and TTU beat UT heads up, too. If we follow your logic then, TTU should go to the Big 12. One sec, OU beat TTU 65-21. Since all three teams beat each other, we have one of three ways to fix this. 1. Don’t change the system and we all cheer for Big 12. 2. All three teams’ plays a final heads up game to decide who goes to the BIG12. 3. Eliminate the South and North Big 12 division. Have the top two teams play for the Big 12. I like the third opinion personally. However, I do not get a vote.
Bobby
· 1 year ago
And tech beat texas, enough said. head to head means everything, right? And ole miss is better than Florida. And Iowa is better than Penn st? And Oregon St is better than USC? Or does head to head only count when texas wins? Please explain why 45-35 counts and none of the other games do? Please
gohorns1012
· 1 year ago
bobby, it probably has something to do with OU being #1 at the time and only having 1 loss this season
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
FanoftheGame:
I agree absolutely. Anybody can "get hot" against teams that play nothing but Zone defense - because they can't cover anyone. Sixty points don't mean nothing in that conference. When these teams come up against teams that play man-on-man coverages - it's gonna be all over for these teams. It's gonna be a whole different story. Texas does play some defense, probably the best in the Big 12, and shut Oklahoma down to the tune of 35 points. Meanwhile, Oklahoma surrendered their "normal" 45 to Texas. Oklahoma "jumped" Texas because of a slightly better SOS, with wins over Cincinnati and TCU, that Texas could not match. But, Texas would have beaten both teams also. Sometimes, the SOS argument in the computer logic, is somewhat slightly skewed.
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
Damn, Tommy. I was hoping that you guys might get to travel further than a bus ride to your bowl game.
Do you think that a conference title game might have given any more credence to USC in the BCS this year? Ever?
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
WEA:
As I've said a million times - a conference championship helps the PAC 10 in no way possible. What? Somebody gonna notice that we beat Oregon again? Doubt it. These morons can't notice anybody that we beat. They're all arguing now that Boise is better than Ohio State, because Ohio State lost twice (to USC and Penn State), while Boise beat Oregon. Man, you got me. Gee, didn't we beat both Oregon and Ohio State? Doesn't count anything for us. When we blast Penn State - that isn't gonna matter either. The only time anybody is gonna notice that there might be a problem is when Florida beats Oklahoma 65-28 and USC beats Penn State 48-10. That's about the time that these clowns figure out that the wrong two teams were on the field. Oh well. I was actually hoping that Oregon State could beat Oregon, although I knew that they couldn't, so that Southern Cal could kick some of that Big 12 azz in the Fiesta Bowl. Well, once again as in every college football season, some overrated team is gonna get to "not play USC" and survive another football season. It's the National Pastime.
Tom_Blogical
· 1 year ago
"Well, once again as in every college football season, some overrated team is gonna get to "not play USC" and survive another football season. It's the National Pastime."
Hmm...perhaps USC should've kicked more PAC 10 azzz this year...namely overrated Oregon State's and you wouldn't have to gripe so much. Since your team couldn't beat the Beavers, I'd say it's USC who's been a bit overrated in your mind.
"BC"
· 1 year ago
haha. this is funny. Tommy Trojan. why do you think USC is just SOO much above everybody else? i used to believe it too. but after this year ive realized theyre right where they belong in the rankings. your team never plays anyone. even in the bowl games. in fact, despite not playing anyone, you still manage to lose games that keep you out of NC contention. mannn last year, just don't lose to stanford! my god! c'mon! just don't lose to those beavers!
you wanna whine because your team isn't considered with 1 loss? well how about you make a schedule that doesn't read: Ohio State Oregon State as far as i'm concerned, your team is 1-1 i mean, alabama's schedule might not have turned out to be as tough as it was preseason, but at least they took care of business every week.
case in point: - if you play an easy schedule, you'd better win every game - if you plan on losing (USC should) then schedule some teams that DON'T suck.
Mr2Bits
· 1 year ago
I agree with this one hundred percent. I despise USC mainly for the taint lickage they receive yearly from ESPN but think that if a few more teams in the PAC-10 were worth a damn, you'd be looking at a USC v Big12 or USC v SEC champ NC game this year.
I salivate for the day when my Gators get to face the men of Troy.
Tom_Blogical
· 1 year ago
Well, you were making sense until the words Ohio State and Oregon State, anyway. I'll give you credit for that.
Tyler_Tech
· 1 year ago
I agree also BC. How bout them apples TT??
NMLSooner
· 1 year ago
Tech has the same record as Texas and they beat them 39-33....enough said!
gohorns1012
· 1 year ago
ha ha another mad sooner that can't accept they lost to texas---pathetic
scott
· 1 year ago
Why dont they look at the 10 style points from the head to head game against oklahoma...but its alright fellow texas fans just remember Okalhomas past performances in huge games...Losses to both Boise St. and WVU...one of which was a blowout...Bob Stoops may be one of the worst bowl game coaches in history even with his one national championship...everybody can get lucky
Michael
· 1 year ago
That is B. S. for Texas. Please get a playoff system
Zac
· 1 year ago
Mike, I've been say'n it in other threads. Let the Big 12 determine their champ with a play-off. Ya gotta take MO from the north, but just think about it. Given the current B(c)S rankings, OK would be seeded #1, followed by TX, TX Tech, & MO. OK plays MO; TX re-matches against TX Tech (at the site of the higher seeded team); and the winners play in KS City. The rest sorts itself out in short order.
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
I dunno... I think Oklahoma State is better than Missouri...
Zac
· 1 year ago
Way better, in fact, but ya kanz only screwz so many teamz in 1 seazun. Maybe the best way would be to base upon final national ranking. Either way, their's a good chance the right team will represent the Big-12.
budrishi
· 1 year ago
That is B.S. for Texas please get a playoff system.
gohorns1012
· 1 year ago
its actually the big 12s stupid rule anyway, i mean does mizzou really deserve a chance to play for the big 12 this year? if UT OU could play in the title game, that would at least be worth watching..and by the same rule, OU shouldn't have gotten their last year with 2 losses. so if mizzou were actually able to beat the sooners they would win the big12 over a 2 loss team and 2 -1 loss teams that already beat them..mizzou lost 3, so far. i guess the flaw is in our own conference rules. good ole southwest conference will rise again
Zac
· 1 year ago
See my reply to Micheal.
gohorns1012
· 1 year ago
not a bad idea
Wayne Harrell
· 1 year ago
Texas fans stop crying!
x texas
· 1 year ago
Thanks Mack Brown your crying says everything about you and your team.
gohorns1012
· 1 year ago
what would stoops do if it were reversed? throw a party?
Fanof theGame
· 1 year ago
I love when I hear OU fans saying to the UT fans, "Stop Whinning" or "Stop Crying" but each and everyone of us know that if the rolls were reversed and OU beat UT at the RRS and UT jumped OU in the BCS standing they would be flipping out too...be honest!
OU_Ron
· 1 year ago
You don't hear this OU fan saying anything about whinning or crying, I for one happen to believe that texas should be above Oklahoma.......only because they beat us heads up.......I wish Texas nothing but good luck in their bowl game..
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
And the Non-Homer of the Week award goes to: OU-Ron! Congrats, Ron. Maybe this will take the sting out of Clemson Joe overtaking you in the Pick'Em contest...
Is the pick'em done, or do we go through the bowl games?
OU_Ron
· 1 year ago
I don't know if it's over or not Greg, I'll check it tomorrow, it may go thru the CCG's.......not sure
Zac
· 1 year ago
Ron, for the time being, the system is the way the system is. Your guys kept an able, determined, and game Cowboy squad at bay for an entire game on their home field. They did good. They're going to play MO, then, represent the Big 12 in the NC. Whether I agree with it or not, Congrats & ENJOY!!!
Tom_Blogical
· 1 year ago
Well said, sir.
1Tomcat
· 1 year ago
Ron A True gentleman I've sucked on the pickem thing,but BU beat the spread at TTech LOL
OU_Ron
· 1 year ago
TC, looks like the majority of the people on the pick em sucked last week, worst week that I've had.........have this week to redeem myself though.....gotta be one up on Clemson Joe to tie and two up to win, or if I pick em all wrong, probably wind up 5th or 6th, I wonder if the computers could put me over the top...:-)
Wayne Harrell
· 1 year ago
It's not crying when it's Texas! It's fact! How do you beat both teams in your conference championship game and not play? Maybe the voters know something the fans don't?
raider_nation96
· 1 year ago
Get in line pal. Sucks don't it. We have 1-loss too. This crap needs to change.
Bevo_Boy
· 1 year ago
He's making fun of Texas, so I don't see why you, a Tech fan, would be calling him out. Maybe you should read more carefully?
AUtigerman
· 1 year ago
So if Mizzou beats OU does Texas go since USC is not likely to gain to much more ground?
Once again BCS is a mess but the Big 12 cant complain too much they brought this on themselves. IMO Texas is better then any team in the Big 12.
Skip
· 1 year ago
I think the voters would put in Texas. Who's going to jump them? Penn State? USC? Utah? The argument about "not even winning your own division" doesn't fly when so many people think that Texas got jobbed out of the division title.
Kathy
· 1 year ago
Go OSU (Oklahoma State University). I don't see Les Miles and his LSU team there. Great job this year Coach Gundy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
indieguy
· 1 year ago
If Oklahoma loses, would USC jump texas to be in the NC given that the Trojans won their division?
Fanof theGame
· 1 year ago
USC didn't actually win their division (Just like Penn State). It was just handed to them since they do not have a conference championship game.
thebuckstopshere
· 1 year ago
Who wants one? What does a conference championship game prove? Look at the freaking mess we are talking about. I think the conference championship games are more mythical than the national championship.
Kevin @ Fanblogs
· 1 year ago
Seriously? Your split schedule, 12-team conferences essentially ensure that its settled on the field. How can you have an issue with that?
Tom_Blogical
· 1 year ago
I prefer the SEC model over the Big 12 model. I'll go ahead and order one of those and another team for the Big 10(11) please.
Then of course, we'd have to rename the conference. I liked the name "Great Midwest".
thebuckstopshere
· 1 year ago
How is it being settled on the field next week in the B12 championship game? How did the LSU Tennessee SEC championship game help determine where Georgia belonged? What happens when all the best teams are in one division how does it shake out fairly? And all the headache for what? The BCS is still going to determine who they want to play in the championship game.
TheMayor
· 1 year ago
Once again, if everyone had a 10 team conference, each team would play each other once during the season. This is better for the fans as you don't have seasons without another team in your schedule. The CC games are nothing more than a season ending money grab.
ESPN last night said that trhe SEC and BIG 12 were considering rethinking a CC game as it can cost a superior team a shot at the NC game due to a poor performance/loss in the CC game.
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
Point of order, Mr. Mayor. I disagree. Perhaps if the Pac and Big Tens had a CG, it might be enough extra oomph to propel their best teams, USC and Penn State, into the BCS CG this year. Otherwise, since they didn't go undefeated, they will sit with inadequate BCS scores.
Which problem would you prefer to have: too many good teams for the BCS, or not enough?
Great. Got that solved. Now if we could only get these potholes filled around this town, Mayor...
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
Delany, get out of here. You're stinking up the place! I warned you about maquerading in here. Go back to your office and figure out what the Big 10(11) is going to do about Michigan...
Tom_Blogical
· 1 year ago
LOL!
thebuckstopshere
· 1 year ago
Hansen, my cover has been blown. I need an immediate evac to a secure location i.e. the Rose Bowl. Tell kirk to set down our secret sky fortress, code name Goodyear, in the swamps outside of Gainesville. I have the five star recruits and we are in route. Oh and Hansen, have our minions at ABC put out the usual cover story. OUT
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
LMAO!!
Zac
· 1 year ago
I don't know which one, mind you, but that's worth an award from...somewhere. Classic!!!
Wayne Harrell
· 1 year ago
Texas beat Oklahoma. Texas is a good team. Oklahoma is a good team BUT Mack Brown "lobbying" was totally silly. The fan who started that45-35.com and the fans that paid for that plane...Christmas funds are going to be tight this year!
Bevo_Boy
· 1 year ago
So what you do if you knew that your team was about to get screwed by the BCS? Just sit there with a smile on your face and watch it happen?
Tom_Blogical
· 1 year ago
I'll repeat this to you, too. Texas is getting screwed. I'm definitely a Texas fan the rest of the year. (Unless they get tOSU in the bowl game...)
PrinceMarko
· 1 year ago
The BCS is disgusting. Texas beat Oklahoma on a neutral field. There is no other better way to determine which team is better.
thebuckstopshere
· 1 year ago
And Cleveland is better than the Giants..........................
Bevo_Boy
· 1 year ago
My original post was worded poorly so I'm changing it.
That is what we call an upset (very similar to a fluke win, Tyler Tech lol). However, I don't think Texas beating Oklahoma can be considered an upset because the teams are of equal (that's kind of an opinion) talent and Texas won with both teams playing well.
RaiderTTU
· 1 year ago
So TTU, ou and tu all are 1-loss teams, and your contention is that TECH's win was a fluke, while tu's win was anything but an upset?
Bevo_Boy
· 1 year ago
Did you watch the game? Tech played their best of the year (or very close, they were good the next couple of weeks) and Texas was terrible for most of the game, and Tech still needed luck to win.
1Tomcat
· 1 year ago
The real Fluke game was TTech over Baylor
PrinceMarko
· 1 year ago
What an asinine comment. NFL has a playoff system where you can determine a champion, college has to live in the moment with the BCS crap.
I didnt expect much from an OSU fan, its actually remarkable that you can read.
Tom_Blogical
· 1 year ago
Can you read the following? 42-7. 5 in a row. 7-1. 8 out of the last 11. 30-26-2 since 1951. You can have the overall series record.
I agree with you about the BCS though. :-)
thebuckstopshere
· 1 year ago
If you can't get out your decoder ring and decipher the point I was making then I'm not even going to explain it to you as it would be a waste of time.
But if by chance you can figure it out and respond accordingly, I'll be waiting. And don't worry I won't insult you personally, no I'll leave that personality trait and proud distinction to you people up north.
ONE thousand EIGHT hundred and THIRTY FIVE...........
Number of days since Michigan last beat Ohio State, is it remarkable I can count too?
Tom_Blogical
· 1 year ago
"ONE thousand EIGHT hundred and THIRTY FIVE..........."
I'll have to add that one to my statistics chain. :-)
Bama_North
· 1 year ago
Ummm. I live in Cleveland and I damn near chocked on my coffee when I read that.
NMLSooner
· 1 year ago
I agree head-to-head should decide it. So, Texas Tech wins the division because of their 39-33 defeat of Texas!
Tyler_Tech
· 1 year ago
I think they got it right with OU, but Texas has a legitimate argument. I think they need to change some rules in the BCS though. Starting with only 2 teams from the same conference can play in BCS games. Sure Texas got the short end of the stick for the big 12, but we are gonna get the really short stick by not playing in a BCS bowl at all. Someone pound Cincy for me hard!
OU_Fan
· 1 year ago
I never had the chance to ask you. Did you enjoy your experience at a night game in Norman, OK?? Can you confim that the OU fanbase is a pretty nice bunch?
Tyler_Tech
· 1 year ago
Besdies the obvious reason why I did not enjoy the trip overall. Most of the fans were really nice, of course you had your token morons (but I believe those people exist everywhere, and I never complain when I go behind enemy lines) but the people I sat next to were very polite, knowledgeable fans. I really understand why it is hard to win there now as well. That place was going nuts when they played that jump around song.
truckdriver
· 1 year ago
If Texas would have taken care of business against TT then this wouldn't happen. Maybe if Texas had played more than cupcakes OOC then they would be #2. Texas has wins against #1 and #15. OU has wins against #2,#11,#13,and #15. For all the people who want to throw out the TX beat OU need not forget that TT beat TX and it's a 3way street.
gohorns1012
· 1 year ago
truckdriver you must have been driving all season long: texas actually beat #1 OU, #6 mizzou and #11 okie state and kansas and i wouldn't call arkansas a cupcake after yesterday------------nice research
truckdriver
· 1 year ago
I did mess up with TT(was #2,now #7) and OU(was #1 now #2). The rest of my numbers are accurate.I was using CURRENT rankings. If you want to use old rankings then the teams that played early high ranked teams like WV,GA,LSU,and Clemson could claim their early numbers,but we know they weren't worth those rankings. While AR may not be a cupcake,they were mediocore this year and not currently in the top 25.
gohorns1012
· 1 year ago
its the ranking when you play them, after all they lost ground in the rankings because texas beat them, right?basically mizzou was #6 then lost to texas they were knocked back in the polls because of that loss and the one to TTU?
NMLSooner
· 1 year ago
Wasn't Auburn in the top ten to start the season? So if you played them in week one you get a victory against a ranked team. That makes no sense.
gohorns1012
· 1 year ago
auburn? drink another one dude
truckdriver
· 1 year ago
According to your logic of what rankings to use NMLSooner is spot on.
Bevo_Boy
· 1 year ago
And you're forgetting that whole part about OU getting beat by 10, not that they got beat on the last play when they had played terribly most of the game, they gave Texas their best punch and got beat.
Texas- wins over: #1 Oklahoma, #11 Missou, #6 Ok. St., then a 6 point loss on the road to TTU, all in a row. Did OU go through anything like this?
OU- wins over Cincinnati (unranked at the time, I think), #2 TTU, #? TCU, and #12 OK St. Cincy doesn't count as a win over a ranked team unless I'm wrong and they were ranked at the time. Not to mention, these games weren't combined into a single four week period, which does make a big difference, although apparently scoring points is all you need; defense, for the most part, does not matter. That's what I learned with OU passing Texas.
Tom_Blogical
· 1 year ago
...and that the Big 12 needs a rules revamp.
gohorns1012
· 1 year ago
true dat
Bevo_Boy
· 1 year ago
Yeah, that too, but I figured that one out before OU jumped Texas in the BCS.
Tom_Blogical
· 1 year ago
I'm sure you did.
OK, this is off topic, but Is it just me, or does Chase Daniel have somewhat of an irritating personality? I love watching that team get beat.
Bevo_Boy
· 1 year ago
Yeah, I'd agree with that. He should try to be more like Stephen McGee; McGee wasn't the greatest qb, but I liked his passion (and with him playing at aTm, that's sayin something). I'm rooting for Chase this week, though...
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
How are rankings at the time better than current rankings?
Take Oklahoma State. you both beat them, yet you want me to count that as a #6 team for you and a #11 team for Oklahoma?
What about Alabama's win over #9 Clemson, or Clemson's loss to #24 Alabama?
gohorns1012
· 1 year ago
they fell because the they got beat. do you think they would have fell if they beat texas?
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
If they had beat Texas we would not be having this discussion.
So Oklahoma State became a worse team after losing to Texas? The team itself dropped 5 spots?
Or did our perception become more accurate and drop them closer to their true value, which is best reflected in the current ranking?
gohorns1012
· 1 year ago
good point, but i think it was okie state #11 when texas beat them..i think it was mizzou#6 and they clearly aren't that
mooseknuckle
· 1 year ago
all that bs for nothing....nice try jokestreet and jokeberger
gohorns1012
· 1 year ago
sorry i meant to reply to tom and the "revamp" right above your post
OU_Fan
· 1 year ago
gohorns and Bevo Boy, by looking at the final bcs rankings OU has wins over more top 25 opponents than Texas. We can all argue on whom has the stronger schedule, but the final rankings don't lie. And just to throw it in there, OU has the only quality road win among Tech and Texas. And I'm tired of hearing about this neutral field crap. The bottom line is there were three strong teams each with a loss to one another. A loss is a loss, it doesn't matter if it was a blowout, last second touchdown, or neutral field. Does the Big 12 championship rules need to change? Most definately. I think they should get rid of the Big 12 North/South, keep the scheduling the way it is, and have the 2 best teams in the Big 12 compete for the championship. That will eliminate teams like 3 loss Mizzou having an advantage over OU/Texas/Tech. And I'm not trying to talk trash. But the bottom line is there was a three way tie. All three teams equally deserve a chance to compete for the Big 12 title. But unlike the Texas saying "settled on a neutral field," how about we say "settled on a neutral computer!" BOOMER!
Fanof theGame
· 1 year ago
Dude, are you kidding me? You know for damn sure that if the rolls were reversed and OU beat UT at the RRS and UT jumped OU in the BCS standing they would be bitching about the whole thing too...be honest! Besides for anyone to say OU is better that Texas, Texas has one the RRS 3 out of the last 4 yrs...interesting.
OU_Ron
· 1 year ago
If you're gonna play the numbers game, Who's 6 out of the last 9 ???
gohorns1012
· 1 year ago
a loss is a loss then okie state game dosn't make a difference right? loss is a loss. i agree about the the north /south thing. but the FINAL rankings don't come out until after the bowls, right?
gohorns1012
· 1 year ago
yes it does, hope i don't discredit any players from any team, they all plyed their best .....its the adults making the rules that got us here GL all
TECHsan
· 1 year ago
I like Mike Leach's idea, Let the team with the highest Grad. rate go to the big game ! Tech wins that hands down with 76 % grad rate, UT has 46%, OU has 56%. Yes, we all know graduation is second to playing football !!!
Fanof theGame
· 1 year ago
That might be for the total schools grad rate...why would we go with non-football players grad rate to decide a Big 12 South Champion...thats ridiculious.
Besides, The Big 12 Conference named its 2008 Academic All-Big 12 Football Team on Tuesday, and for the third straight year, Texas led the conference with 22 selections, including 17 first-team accolades.
Texas' 17 first-team honorees were more than all but two other schools in the conference had in combined first- and second-team selections with the exception of Nebraska, which had 19 total (13 first team/six second team) and Texas Tech, which had 18 total (12 first team/six second team).
2008 Academic All-Big 12 Selections School First team Second team Total Texas 17 5 22 Nebraska 13 6 19 Texas Tech 12 8 18 Baylor 11 5 16 Kansas 7 5 13 Oklahoma 6 7 13
These stats were all taken off the Big 12 website...opps...Texas wins again.
FanoftheGame
· 1 year ago
Would it be too much to ask for you to think of your own name for the purpose of blogging. "FanoftheGame" has been taken for a few years now.
Bevo_Boy
· 1 year ago
Lol, I thought it was the same one...
TCU_in_Georgia
· 1 year ago
I'm just glad Georgia Tech beat Georgia. Bulldogs are WAY over ranked year after year. When will these rednecks around here realize that. I'm proud of my team from Texas..... Go TCU!!! You almost made it to the top 10 this year.
gohorns1012
· 1 year ago
here is something to think about......if OU makes it to the NC and loses, texas could be named co national champs or AP national champs.i guess its never over til its over......kinda like lsu and usc a few years ago when lsu whipped OU
oufan5
· 1 year ago
I have listen to the media about the head to head matchup between texas and ou. Lets change the circumstances. What if ou beat texas tech by 6 or 7 points. Tech would not have droped down to #7. If this was the case then all three teams would have stated their case. This is the fact. OU beat by more then forty points. The only loggical conclusion would be to go to the strength of schedule and ou has the strongest schedule. This is why they are going to the Big 12 conference game. As far as the polls are concerned, the human polls basically has texas over ou. The computer polls moved ou ahead of texas, because of the strength of schedule. It is that simple. So the reality is texas did not get screwed, they just need to play a stronger non-conference schedule. If anybody is to blame, it is texas.
Bobby
· 1 year ago
Because I would have been soooo upset if OU got left out, I can be soooooo happy that OU didn't. So Texas, go to sixth street and complain to all your little texas buddies about how you got screwed and watch OU kick the #$%^ out of Missouri. Maybe this will help though, your Dallas Cowboys are going to miss the playoffs as well.
Wounded Dawg
· 1 year ago
Please Longhorn fans, enough with the whining. Yes, we get it - you beat OU, we saw the thousand signs Thursday night. So OU is eliminated because you beat them. So who goes to KC to play Mizzou - the Longhorns or Texas Tech? What logic do you use for that?
As an SEC fan who thinks Florida will clobber any team the Big 12 serves up, I have no dog in this fight. OU is playing the best of the 3 teams right now. Texas lost a Texas Tech team that OU humiliated. If I'm florida, the last team I want to play right now is OU. I think the BCS polls reflect that.
gohorns1012
· 1 year ago
yea, i guess it does not matter now anyway, we are not all whining........we know that the national championship picture was half settled in october and this coming weekend will settle the rest....florida ala. too bad we won't get to settle the real thing on the field either.......oh well enough of this ..we're happy to make a bcs bowl.no reason to whine it won't change a computers ignorance
Skip
· 1 year ago
The thing is, they aren't Auburn 2004 yet. The Longhorns' NCG chances are not over until the clock runs out on the Big 12 title game. But I guess the preferred way to vent frustration is by responding instantly and ferociously to every iota of non-boosterism on message boards, even to people sympathetic to their cause.
CU Fan
· 1 year ago
Why not just let all the Texas teams create their own conference. It wouldn't be in the BCS, and the big 12, could be renamed the Happy 8. Let Texas take on the rest of the country, they think they deserve it. Half the rules crap the Big 12 is saddled with are Texas's ideas, problem is they don't always turn out the way Texas plans them, then they whine. I'm sure Mack has a serious pucker going.
Go OU, at least we ALL can be proud of them.
gohorns1012
· 1 year ago
thanks for your input that has no fact-base at all, you just wish you could recruit here in texas like the ok teams do, then mabee you could compete, i assume cu is colorado, oh enjoy the rest of your season
CU Fan
· 1 year ago
Yes, it has a basis in fact. Why don't you talk about Texas not wanting to play at any of the north teams in November? Too cold for your boys? Oh, if M. Brown, is such a great coach, I'd like to see what he'd do at ISU or Wyoming!! Probably not much, its easy to have good teams when all the players just walk into your office. What would he be able to do if he actually had to work for recruits or coach, probably not much.
Most of the north teams have to do more with less. You can make fun of us all you want but our coaches actually have to coach and recruit. I'm sure even you could have a decent team, well maybe not.
gohorns1012
· 1 year ago
i'm not making fun of the actual colorado team, just an ignorant colorado fan....and you get recruits by being successful..mack brown did it at NC as well..and i don't think he arranges the big 12 conference schedule, thats done by the commission....is that really all you have? remember you shot your mouth off first
gohorns1012
· 1 year ago
sounds good. how about not recruiting in texas anymore and we will see how the happy 8 does without us.go skiing or something, drink some beer ,your season is over, oh and we did beat you at home..
And, these are the "good teams". Clearly, Texas has by far, the best defense in this pathetic conference.
By contrast - some other defenses:
Points against:
1st USC 7.8 3rd Alabama 11.5 5th Florida 12.3 6th Penn State 12.4 7th Ohio State 13.1
Yardage allowed:
1st USC 210.5 3rd Alabama 248.5 5th Penn State 263.9 7th Florida 275.7 9th Ohio State 279.3
Points differential:
Florida +34.0 USC +30.6 Oklahoma +28.5 Penn State +27.8 Texas +25.3 Alabama +20.6 Missouri +20.3 Utah +20.1 Texas Tech +18.3 Ohio State +15.1 Oklahoma State +14.7
Yardage Differential:
USC +240.3 Oklahoma +197.2 Penn State +188.3 Florida +173.7 Texas Tech +164.6 Texas +136.5 Alabama +122.3 Missouri +112.9 Utah +109.4 Oklahoma State +97.0 Ohio State +60.4
According to these numbers - the rankings might look like this:
1. USC 2. Florida 2. Oklahoma 4. Penn State
Can anybody guess which of all these teams actually controls the line of scrimmage?
Adam C
· 1 year ago
Yeah, maybe if USC played some teams with a winning record that would be more useful. Schedule some real non-conference games instead of relying on Notre Dame being worth a nickel.
I think USC has done amazing things with its defense this year. But there is a reason that yards allowed is not the tiebreaker for almost any voter among 1 loss teams. Strength of schedule, record against top 10 teams, record against top 25 teams, and how bad your loss is all play a bigger role. And rightfully so.
Jason
· 1 year ago
USC scheduled decent non-conference teams. USC's problem is there is no other good teams in the PAthetiC10.
hrposon
· 1 year ago
That "pathetic" conference has 3 teams in the top 7 and neither of those teams lost to Non-ranked opponents like Mississippi, Oregon State and Iowa. A lot of the luster has come of the SEC this year with dismal showings from Arkansas, Auburn, Georgia, Kentucky, LSU, South Carolina,Tennessee and Vanderbilt. Another good year for the PAC1. BTW, last year you promised USC would destroy tOSU. Keep up the good work!
NMLSooner
· 1 year ago
How hard is it to play defense against those pathetic offenses? How many QB's would start in the Big XII?
gohorns1012
· 1 year ago
tommy i'm disappointed....play some teams with offense, or winning records and get back to us
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
Here's some "numbas" for you. Actually, since we took Oklahoma as the Big 12's best statistical team, it looks better for them than I thought it would. We have to subtract Oklahoma's 57-2 win over Chattanooga for this experiment - as they are a Division II team.
USC played teams that had outscored their opposition, by the score of 26.2 to 25.9, and had outscored these teams by 30.6 points per game. This would give USC a +30.9 overall rating here.
Oklahoma played teams that had outscored the opposition, by the score of 33.0 to 27.4, and has outscored these teams by 26.1 points per game. This gives Oklahoma a +31.7 rating. Therefore, in the scoring catagory, Oklahoma would own a +0.8 advantage per game against Southern Cal (or nine points better over eleven games).
Also, USC played teams that were outgained by their opponents by 348.3 to 353.0 yards per game, while USC outgained those teams by +240.3 yards per game. This gives USC a +235.6 yardage rating.
Oklahoma played teams that had outgained their opponents by 416.1 to 379.6 yards per game, while outgaining these teams by 174.1 yards per game. This gives Oklahoma a +210.6 yardage rating.
Clearly, Oklahoma has done better, than I thought that they might have. I can assure you that no other team in the Big 12 comes close to any of these numbers. Florida may rival these statistics. Maybe Penn State might be in the ballpark. But, this is the way you have to measure teams.
The Chattanooga game was removed, as Oklahoma beat that team 57-2, and outgained them by 451 total yards. It really wasn't worth using as part of the criteria. If you want to count it - Oklahoma wins. Nevertheless, Oklahoma does look tough, and Missouri will never beat this team.
OU_Fan
· 1 year ago
Why not post the offensive statistics from the Pac-10 as well and lets compare.
1Tomcat
· 12 months ago
Your list #1 lost to Oregon St #2 lost to Miss #2 lost to Texas #4 lost to Iowa Tommie you can try and use statistics- but nobody listening Too bad the Trojans dont play in the pathetic BigXII conference, because they would have alot of trouble outside the Pac were they dominate year after year, join the WAC beat Boise then whine when you get left out, stack up more numbers against weak competition The Trojans D cannot slow down or stop the offenes of the XII week in and week out. They might win a bowl on occasion, thats about it We might see a Texas vs USC I like to see it
Ramblin' Gator
· 1 year ago
In my imagination, OU and UF are the two teams that should play in the BCS-NCG (pending the outcomes of their respective conference championship games), but that doesn't change my belief that Texas, Utah, Boise State, USC, Ball State and others are getting fracked (subliminal shout out to all my fellow BSG fans). They've earned a shot at the top too.
hrposon
· 1 year ago
Florida's best wins are over #16 ranked Georgia and # 24 Florida State. Not exactly the reason for an automatic berth in the BCS-CG. It will be a great game against Alabama this weekend.
Ramblin' Gator
· 1 year ago
Not exactly the reason for an automatic berth in the BCS-CG
Who said anything about "automatic"?
hrposon
· 1 year ago
You're right, you didn't say automatic, you said should.
Ramblin' Gator
· 1 year ago
So you're position is that a team that presumably goes 12 - 1 and wins the SEC title should NOT go to the BCS-NCG, even though there would be no undefeated teams from BCS conferences remaining. Do I have this right?
hrposon
· 1 year ago
You have the right to think what you want. I just thought that the BCS voters may look at Florida's one loss to an unranked team and the quality of opponents and may only rank them #3. Compare them to the undefeateds and other one loss opponents, and they may not be in the top two.
Ramblin' Gator
· 1 year ago
Sure, and the voters may look at Texas and say "you lost to TTech and they aren't even going to a conference championship game?"
More likely, the voters will look at Texas and say "we can't send two teams from the same conference - we would be destroying our own power as BCS voters by doing this!"
It's certainly possible that Texas will come in ahead of Florida and in a more rational world I believe both teams SHOULD be in a playoff for the national title. I just don't see the BCS voters committing suicide this way.
Regarding Ole Miss (and with all due respect to HT and especially Houston Nutt), I suspect the voters are giving that game less concern as it's unlikely that Ole Miss would win a rematch with Florida. The same can't be said for TT and UT.
hrposon
· 1 year ago
No one can say who would win if Florida, Alabama, Penn State, OU, TT, Texas, OSU, USC were in a playoff. My guess is that teams like Utah, Boise State don't have the team depth to slug it out in a playoff. What we have is a beauty contest and most have scars on their faces. My guess is that Florida will get the nod over Texas, USC and Penn State, only because Texas already beat Oklahoma. My point is that it is not a sure thing...
FanoftheGame
· 1 year ago
Hey Kev,
FanoftheGame
· 1 year ago
Hey Kev - I have been here for a few years now, but I just noticed that someone else is now using my "FanoftheGame" name on the blog. I can not be held responsible for any stupid comments other than my own.
Kevin @ Fanblogs
· 1 year ago
No worries... I don't think anyone is going to confuse his stupid comments with... err... yours. ;-) LOL. Welcome home.
NMLSooner
· 1 year ago
Want a fair way to handle this? Playoffs starting this Saturday: 8 Georgia Tech @ 1 Alabama 5 Boise State @ 4 Penn State 6 TCU @ 3 USC 7 Oklahoma State @ 2 Florida 8 Georgia @ 1 Oklahoma 5 Ohio State @ 4 Texas Tech 6 Ball State @ 3 Utah 7 Cincinnati @ 2 Texas
raider_nation96
· 1 year ago
Amen!
Tom_Blogical
· 1 year ago
I like it. But I would go a little further and use the following, established template.
Unfortunately for us, there are a lot here that don't like it, and the powers that be don't like it either. I'm hoping something like this gets done in my lifetime, though.
Kevin @ Fanblogs
· 1 year ago
Fair... to whom? Are you suggesting that its fair to #1 & #2 to have to play three more games just to prove their better than Cincinnati?
Tom_Blogical
· 1 year ago
Yup. That's the way them playoff thingies work. At least that's what every other sport and Div. II thinks. :-)
NMLSooner
· 1 year ago
You tell him T_B!
Tom_Blogical
· 1 year ago
Yes, but I do it with great respect and (supposed) humor. Kevin's the most knowledgeable CFB guy I know. Plus, ya don't ever wanna piss off the blog host. ;-)
NMLSooner
· 1 year ago
Yes, no disrespect to Kevin the Great. It was said with tongue-in-cheek.
Tom_Blogical
· 1 year ago
I assumed so. No problems here! :-)
gohorns1012
· 1 year ago
best blog i read from you
NMLSooner
· 1 year ago
No disagreement here:)
Dj
· 1 year ago
As an outsider reading all of these comments I find it interesting that nobody has pointed out that had OU lost to either TT or OSU, Tech would be going to KC. I am sure UT fans were all pulling for OU in both of those games. I think all three of these teams have a legitimate claim to who should represent the Big 12 South in KC.
Djsooner
· 1 year ago
First, it's a three-way tiebreaker between OU-UT-Tech, not a head-to-head tiebreaker between OU-UT. If it was really just a head-to-head tiebreaker between OU-UT then of course UT would go. Second, it's UT's own fault for losing to Tech. If you lose and that puts you into a tie then you can't blame anyone else but yourself if you then lose the tiebreaker. Third, if you really insist on throwing OU out because they lost to Texas, then you have to apply the same rule to Texas and throw them out because because they lost to Tech.
Djsooner
· 1 year ago
have you texans got more money than sense. Your silly flight over Boone Pickens stadium with a banner stating 45-35 didn't get you anywhere, What was the point, to show how much money you could waste By the way, that was very impractical not to mention immature. Show some composure will ya!! OU fans just move on and look forward to the next game and show a lot better sportsmanship. TU has a great football program, don't spoil it by whinning. The way i see it is if TX was to go then TT would be mad because they beat them so i think you have to take out the games when they played each other and look at the other wins. OU comes out in front with wins like OSU, cincy,TTU and TCU. Texas is next, then TT.The statistics don't lie. Get over it already!! Ps. if you would like to waste more money in the future like fying a banner over arrowhead stadiaum please send the money to me I'll make sure it is spent wise I'll give it to a worthy Charity
duckmanusa
· 1 year ago
put Oregon in any confrence and they would still kill.. i am tiered of all these other confrences getting all the hype when oregon would kill in an confrence. put the ducks in the SEC Big 10 ACC any one of them and they would kill..
OU_Ron
· 1 year ago
Maybe, with a gun and the Pac 10 ref's
Bevo_Boy
· 1 year ago
I notice you conveniently left out the Big XII, so I guess you realize that if they had played in the Big XII south, they would have lost at least 4 games, right?
husker Dennis
· 1 year ago
Seems like a coach can't win with most of you gomers if ,he stick up for his team he has no class, if he dosen't then he dosen't support them. Go big red. living large in TEXAS.
Tyler_Tech
· 1 year ago
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lsw1369
· 1 year ago
It is a travesty that Tech is left out in the cold on this one. I believe they have the best team in the Big 12, but when the other team knows all of your plays it makes it tough. As a dude who played ball in Los Angeles and Dallas, I know enough to know that talent isn't everything, and that when you beat a team head to head on a neutral field you are the better team. Go MIZZOU! Can't stand the Longhorns, but love Mack Brown...Let's see Roll Tide v. Hook "Em Horns.
Eye_of_the_Tiger
· 1 year ago
I don't think any of the Big-12 teams deserve to go. Think I'm wrong? Can't prove it. Not until we have a play-off. I don't want to hear any lame arguments that every week is a playoff because it's simply not true when you consider the caliber of teams that will be facing off in the bowl games just to make it to the Championship. If there were a play-off I would be willing to bet any amount of money that the NC game would be USC and Florida. I'm not saying a Big-12 team won't do well, or won't win, I'm just saying I know there are better teams out there.
gohorns1012
· 1 year ago
so if the sec had a playoff you would end up with the same 2 teams FL and ALA , simply because no one else in that conference can hang with them, so that is easy for you to sayand "no big 12 team deserves to go?" you're right a big 12 playoff would only benefit the sec this year, as the big 12 teams that do deserve to go are so close that it has caused america to be in an uproar
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Arkansas was not very competitive this year either though, considering they were in a rebuilding year with a new coach.
Aug. 30 Florida Atlantic W 52-10 not ranked
Sep. 6 at Texas-El Paso W 42-13 not ranked
Sep. 20 Rice W 52-10 not ranked
Sep. 27 Arkansas W 52-10 not ranked
OU non conf schedule
Aug 30 UT Chattanooga W 57-2 Not Ranked
Sep 6 Cincinnati Norman W 52-26 #13 At end of Season
Sep 13 at Washington W 55-14 not ranked
Sep 27 TCU W 35-10 #11 end of season
Yes OU played poor old Tenn.- Chat. But seriously Rice, UTEP, they arent that much better than Tenn.- Chat. OU also played two top fifteen teams in their non conf schedule two teams that could possibly make a bcs bowl game. Texas won 1 hard game all season that was against OU in Dallas. You beat #20 Mizzou at home #14 OSU(by 4 pts.) at home and you lost to Tech in Lubbock. OU lost to Texas by 10 in dallas and beat every other team by at least 20 points. It dosnt matter what anybody says weather they are OU, UT, or TT fans at least 2 teams got screwed out of this deal. Truthfully I would like to see Oklahoma vs, Texas in NCG. I would love to for Stoops to hold up his 2nd crystal ball right in Mac Browns Face.
Beat UTEP in the Sun Bowl
Beat Colo in Boulder
Beat KU in Lawrence
Hookem-Horns
prediction OU will clobber Missu then advance to lose to Fla/Bama
Texas will win their bowl like they do every year
First, let me apologize because my mental capacity is far below 100% during my recovery day, but Texas doesn't have a chance to play in a BCS game? Seriously?
This puts Oregon State into the Rose Bowl and a diminished USC into the at large pool.
They would be in the at large pool.
The at large pool is arranged in order of most likely to be selected. I have them below Boise State and above TCU.
They would be BCS eligible. Like TCU and Ball State they would not be picked.
Sucks for Texas, but style points were in play. Oklahoma keeps hanging 60+ on everyone and it got noticed...
This happened with Georgia last year (high BCS ranking, but no title game) and it didn't get near the press...
In the pass years, you're right OU did lose 4 bcs titles in a row. I'm here to say that my team choked. Big time! But, that's life. Did OU cheat their way into the BIg12 championship...NO! No one on that team had any influence on the voters or the computer calculations. Even Stoops gave up on his vote and did not comment on TV what he thought. Stoops, Bradford, the rest of the team, and this sooner thinks the UT football club is simple outstanding.
SO, please tell US how did OU cheat? UT beat OU hands down. TTU beat UT hands down. OU beat TTU. Who is better? I think all three teams are outstanding and should play each other in a heads up match to go to the Big12.
For the sooner definition: Yes, a sooner is one that cheated ...and to compare OU to them is just plain stupid. It makes yor argument weak. Plus, it happened like 100 years ago and you were not there. So, you really can not talk about a subject you have no personal first hand knowledge of.
I wish UT and every Big 12 team playing in a bowl the best of luck. I hope you have a change of heart for OU...b/c that hatred will cause health problems.
Everyone remembers all that except you, though.
Oh and no one else remembers that OU lead the OU-Texas until fourth quater after OU linebacker Ryan Reynolds injured his knee.
The Big 12 needs to revamp their tiebreaking rules to those similar to the SEC. I think we can all agree on that.
Take your Sooner-colored glasses off and perhaps that argument will make sense to you. If OU-Ron, another regular commenter here, is able to do it, so can you.
That's reasonable, but remember, they're saying the computer algorithms actually gave OU a slight bump, not the human voters. I still think the Big 12's tiebreaker is seriously flawed by using a system that's not complete until the end of the season. Talk about illogical.
"I just think your logic is not...logical_tom.
Of course you don't. I don't agree with the voters wearing Crimson shades, because by their "logic", Oklahoma should've blown out Texas by more than the 34 points they beat TT by. So please explain how that "logic" is justified?
Just so you know, I'm not a Sooner hater...if the roles for Texas and OU were reversed, I'd be saying OU got screwed.
Now go ahead and try explaining the "lack of logic" in that statement. So, having read that, do you still think the Big 12's tiebreaker rules are just fine? Further still, I'd say the Championship Game should have 2 of the 3 schools, UT, OU, or TT in it (obviously, I think UT and OU should play again), since I personally think better Conference records should mean more than Conference divisions, but that's just me.
BTW only two teams have had perfect seasons in the XII
OU 2000
UT 2005
Texas beat OU 3 outa the last 4 1 champ game for Texas 3 for OU
And Texas barely escaped with a win against Okie State at Austin. While Oklahoma thumped Okie State at Stillwater by 20 points. Oklahoma is the only team with a quality road game. Oklahoma beat the Big East Champion. Who did Texas play? UTEP? Arkansas in a rebuilding year?
Look at the whole season and you see that the better team is going to represent the Big 12 South.
Tom, lets just hope both of our teams can break our BCS losing streaks this year, assuming they both make it that far.
The final score doesn't give justice to this game going back and forth deep into the fourth quarter. OU could have easily lost and didn't dominate as much as the box score denotes
You're kidding right? Last time I checked, Texas was 2-0 in BCS ball games. OU is like 1-3 or 1-4 but who's counting?
Jason was referring to my team--Ohio State--not Texas.
Tech's only lose is to the now #2 team in the country. OU's lose is to #3 team, and Texas' lose is to a #7 team. If OK. ST. had played texas in Stillwater, Texas would probably have lost !
Without a playoff, this is the way it is !!!
I agree absolutely. Anybody can "get hot" against teams that play nothing but Zone defense - because they can't cover anyone. Sixty points don't mean nothing in that conference. When these teams come up against teams that play man-on-man coverages - it's gonna be all over for these teams. It's gonna be a whole different story. Texas does play some defense, probably the best in the Big 12, and shut Oklahoma down to the tune of 35 points. Meanwhile, Oklahoma surrendered their "normal" 45 to Texas. Oklahoma "jumped" Texas because of a slightly better SOS, with wins over Cincinnati and TCU, that Texas could not match. But, Texas would have beaten both teams also. Sometimes, the SOS argument in the computer logic, is somewhat slightly skewed.
Do you think that a conference title game might have given any more credence to USC in the BCS this year? Ever?
As I've said a million times - a conference championship helps the PAC 10 in no way possible. What? Somebody gonna notice that we beat Oregon again? Doubt it. These morons can't notice anybody that we beat. They're all arguing now that Boise is better than Ohio State, because Ohio State lost twice (to USC and Penn State), while Boise beat Oregon. Man, you got me. Gee, didn't we beat both Oregon and Ohio State? Doesn't count anything for us. When we blast Penn State - that isn't gonna matter either. The only time anybody is gonna notice that there might be a problem is when Florida beats Oklahoma 65-28 and USC beats Penn State 48-10. That's about the time that these clowns figure out that the wrong two teams were on the field. Oh well. I was actually hoping that Oregon State could beat Oregon, although I knew that they couldn't, so that Southern Cal could kick some of that Big 12 azz in the Fiesta Bowl. Well, once again as in every college football season, some overrated team is gonna get to "not play USC" and survive another football season. It's the National Pastime.
Hmm...perhaps USC should've kicked more PAC 10 azzz this year...namely overrated Oregon State's and you wouldn't have to gripe so much. Since your team couldn't beat the Beavers, I'd say it's USC who's been a bit overrated in your mind.
Tommy Trojan. why do you think USC is just SOO much above everybody else?
i used to believe it too. but after this year ive realized theyre right where they belong in the rankings.
your team never plays anyone. even in the bowl games. in fact, despite not playing anyone, you still manage to lose games that keep you out of NC contention.
mannn last year, just don't lose to stanford! my god!
c'mon! just don't lose to those beavers!
you wanna whine because your team isn't considered with 1 loss?
well how about you make a schedule that doesn't read:
Ohio State
Oregon State
as far as i'm concerned, your team is 1-1
i mean, alabama's schedule might not have turned out to be as tough as it was preseason, but at least they took care of business every week.
case in point:
- if you play an easy schedule, you'd better win every game
- if you plan on losing (USC should) then schedule some teams that DON'T suck.
I salivate for the day when my Gators get to face the men of Troy.
Is the pick'em done, or do we go through the bowl games?
I've sucked on the pickem thing,but BU beat the spread at TTech LOL
Once again BCS is a mess but the Big 12 cant complain too much they brought this on themselves. IMO Texas is better then any team in the Big 12.
Then of course, we'd have to rename the conference. I liked the name "Great Midwest".
ESPN last night said that trhe SEC and BIG 12 were considering rethinking a CC game as it can cost a superior team a shot at the NC game due to a poor performance/loss in the CC game.
Which problem would you prefer to have: too many good teams for the BCS, or not enough?
Great. Got that solved. Now if we could only get these potholes filled around this town, Mayor...
That is what we call an upset (very similar to a fluke win, Tyler Tech lol). However, I don't think Texas beating Oklahoma can be considered an upset because the teams are of equal (that's kind of an opinion) talent and Texas won with both teams playing well.
I didnt expect much from an OSU fan, its actually remarkable that you can read.
I agree with you about the BCS though. :-)
But if by chance you can figure it out and respond accordingly, I'll be waiting. And don't worry I won't insult you personally, no I'll leave that personality trait and proud distinction to you people up north.
ONE thousand EIGHT hundred and THIRTY FIVE...........
Number of days since Michigan last beat Ohio State, is it remarkable I can count too?
I'll have to add that one to my statistics chain. :-)
fans were really nice, of course you had your token morons (but I believe
those people exist everywhere, and I never complain when I go behind enemy
lines) but the people I sat next to were very polite, knowledgeable fans. I
really understand why it is hard to win there now as well. That place was
going nuts when they played that jump around song.
OU has wins against #2,#11,#13,and #15. For all the people who want to throw out the TX beat OU need not forget that TT beat TX and it's a 3way street.
Texas- wins over: #1 Oklahoma, #11 Missou, #6 Ok. St., then a 6 point loss on the road to TTU, all in a row. Did OU go through anything like this?
OU- wins over Cincinnati (unranked at the time, I think), #2 TTU, #? TCU, and #12 OK St. Cincy doesn't count as a win over a ranked team unless I'm wrong and they were ranked at the time. Not to mention, these games weren't combined into a single four week period, which does make a big difference, although apparently scoring points is all you need; defense, for the most part, does not matter. That's what I learned with OU passing Texas.
OK, this is off topic, but Is it just me, or does Chase Daniel have somewhat of an irritating personality? I love watching that team get beat.
Take Oklahoma State. you both beat them, yet you want me to count that as a #6 team for you and a #11 team for Oklahoma?
What about Alabama's win over #9 Clemson, or Clemson's loss to #24 Alabama?
So Oklahoma State became a worse team after losing to Texas? The team itself dropped 5 spots?
Or did our perception become more accurate and drop them closer to their true value, which is best reflected in the current ranking?
Besides, The Big 12 Conference named its 2008 Academic All-Big 12 Football Team on Tuesday, and for the third straight year, Texas led the conference with 22 selections, including 17 first-team accolades.
Texas' 17 first-team honorees were more than all but two other schools in the conference had in combined first- and second-team selections with the exception of Nebraska, which had 19 total (13 first team/six second team) and Texas Tech, which had 18 total (12 first team/six second team).
2008 Academic All-Big 12 Selections
School First team Second team Total
Texas 17 5 22
Nebraska 13 6 19
Texas Tech 12 8 18
Baylor 11 5 16
Kansas 7 5 13
Oklahoma 6 7 13
These stats were all taken off the Big 12 website...opps...Texas wins again.
As an SEC fan who thinks Florida will clobber any team the Big 12 serves up, I have no dog in this fight. OU is playing the best of the 3 teams right now. Texas lost a Texas Tech team that OU humiliated. If I'm florida, the last team I want to play right now is OU. I think the BCS polls reflect that.
Go OU, at least we ALL can be proud of them.
Most of the north teams have to do more with less. You can make fun of us all you want but our coaches actually have to coach and recruit. I'm sure even you could have a decent team, well maybe not.
Points allowed:
21st Texas 18.6
59th Missouri 24.7
61st Oklahoma 24.8
69th Texas Tech 26.3
72nd Oklahoma State 26.9
Yardage allowed:
50th Texas 339.9
66th Oklahoma 359.5
67th Nebraska 361.5
72nd Texas Tech 371.6
86th Oklahoma State 392.3
92nd Missouri 396.5
And, these are the "good teams". Clearly, Texas has by far, the best defense in this pathetic conference.
By contrast - some other defenses:
Points against:
1st USC 7.8
3rd Alabama 11.5
5th Florida 12.3
6th Penn State 12.4
7th Ohio State 13.1
Yardage allowed:
1st USC 210.5
3rd Alabama 248.5
5th Penn State 263.9
7th Florida 275.7
9th Ohio State 279.3
Points differential:
Florida +34.0
USC +30.6
Oklahoma +28.5
Penn State +27.8
Texas +25.3
Alabama +20.6
Missouri +20.3
Utah +20.1
Texas Tech +18.3
Ohio State +15.1
Oklahoma State +14.7
Yardage Differential:
USC +240.3
Oklahoma +197.2
Penn State +188.3
Florida +173.7
Texas Tech +164.6
Texas +136.5
Alabama +122.3
Missouri +112.9
Utah +109.4
Oklahoma State +97.0
Ohio State +60.4
According to these numbers - the rankings might look like this:
1. USC
2. Florida
2. Oklahoma
4. Penn State
Can anybody guess which of all these teams actually controls the line of scrimmage?
I think USC has done amazing things with its defense this year. But there is a reason that yards allowed is not the tiebreaker for almost any voter among 1 loss teams. Strength of schedule, record against top 10 teams, record against top 25 teams, and how bad your loss is all play a bigger role. And rightfully so.
A lot of the luster has come of the SEC this year with dismal showings from Arkansas, Auburn, Georgia, Kentucky, LSU, South Carolina,Tennessee and Vanderbilt. Another good year for the PAC1.
BTW, last year you promised USC would destroy tOSU. Keep up the good work!
USC played teams that had outscored their opposition, by the score of 26.2 to 25.9, and had outscored these teams by 30.6 points per game. This would give USC a +30.9 overall rating here.
Oklahoma played teams that had outscored the opposition, by the score of 33.0 to 27.4, and has outscored these teams by 26.1 points per game. This gives Oklahoma a +31.7 rating. Therefore, in the scoring catagory, Oklahoma would own a +0.8 advantage per game against Southern Cal (or nine points better over eleven games).
Also, USC played teams that were outgained by their opponents by 348.3 to 353.0 yards per game, while USC outgained those teams by +240.3 yards per game. This gives USC a +235.6 yardage rating.
Oklahoma played teams that had outgained their opponents by 416.1 to 379.6 yards per game, while outgaining these teams by 174.1 yards per game. This gives Oklahoma a +210.6 yardage rating.
Clearly, Oklahoma has done better, than I thought that they might have. I can assure you that no other team in the Big 12 comes close to any of these numbers. Florida may rival these statistics. Maybe Penn State might be in the ballpark. But, this is the way you have to measure teams.
The Chattanooga game was removed, as Oklahoma beat that team 57-2, and outgained them by 451 total yards. It really wasn't worth using as part of the criteria. If you want to count it - Oklahoma wins. Nevertheless, Oklahoma does look tough, and Missouri will never beat this team.
#1 lost to Oregon St
#2 lost to Miss
#2 lost to Texas
#4 lost to Iowa
Tommie you can try and use statistics- but nobody listening
Too bad the Trojans dont play in the pathetic BigXII conference, because they would have alot of trouble outside the Pac were they dominate year after year, join the WAC beat Boise then whine when you get left out, stack up more numbers against weak competition
The Trojans D cannot slow down or stop the offenes of the XII week in and week out.
They might win a bowl on occasion, thats about it
We might see a Texas vs USC I like to see it
Who said anything about "automatic"?
More likely, the voters will look at Texas and say "we can't send two teams from the same conference - we would be destroying our own power as BCS voters by doing this!"
It's certainly possible that Texas will come in ahead of Florida and in a more rational world I believe both teams SHOULD be in a playoff for the national title. I just don't see the BCS voters committing suicide this way.
Regarding Ole Miss (and with all due respect to HT and especially Houston Nutt), I suspect the voters are giving that game less concern as it's unlikely that Ole Miss would win a rematch with Florida. The same can't be said for TT and UT.
What we have is a beauty contest and most have scars on their faces. My guess is that Florida will get the nod over Texas, USC and Penn State, only because Texas already beat Oklahoma. My point is that it is not a sure thing...
8 Georgia Tech @ 1 Alabama
5 Boise State @ 4 Penn State
6 TCU @ 3 USC
7 Oklahoma State @ 2 Florida
8 Georgia @ 1 Oklahoma
5 Ohio State @ 4 Texas Tech
6 Ball State @ 3 Utah
7 Cincinnati @ 2 Texas
Unfortunately for us, there are a lot here that don't like it, and the powers that be don't like it either. I'm hoping something like this gets done in my lifetime, though.