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Re: Big East's commish to retire, conference split coming?

Guido Rocco — Sun, 22 Jun 2008 15:00:40 -0000

Some of these fantasies are completely absurd. If the Big East were to split and then expand to 12 teams the four choices are 100% obvious ...

NORTH SIDE
UConn + Syracuse
Rutgers + Temple
Pitt + West Virginia
SOUTH SIDE
Cincy + Louisville
Memphis + Eastern Carolina
USF + UCF

Anything else is dumb. There is no need for two West Virginia teams or three Florida teams. This is the best and only credible 12-team group.

Re: Big East's commish to retire, conference split coming?

Lee — Sun, 15 Jun 2008 21:23:12 -0000

BYU fan, for years your school turned your nose at joining the PAC-10. Its hard for me to be sorry for you now.

Re: Big East's commish to retire, conference split coming?

Zac — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 22:30:13 -0000

Whoa there a minute, Joe bro! There are 5 bowl teams including a 10-3, and two 9-4 teams on that list, not to mention another that was bowl eligible. Though BYU had a fine season, they barely escaped their rematch with UCLA. Utah did no better against Navy. In my opinion, BYU goes 3-3 against that list, and Utah would be lucky to do as well. Not exactly a record to be proud of against a passel of patsies.

Hell, TX barely escaped their visit to C FL. Maybe these "patsies" are just the type the MWC needs to gain a little more credibility and become a BCS conference themselves. Besides, FL Atlantic is in the Sun Belt; they get no more BCS money than does any team in the MWC.

If the Big East football side expands, most speculate it'll be C FL, ECU, Memphis, and some are still crossing their fingers over Penn St, and that's still nothing more than anybody's guess. Believe me, if there were a way BYU & Utah could be transplanted 1000 miles east, the Big East would have come a court'n by now.

Re: Big East's commish to retire, conference split coming?

Zac — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 22:01:41 -0000

G-Man, trust me when I say it. I would have loved to see the Big East figure out a way to bring in quality teams like BYU & Utah. It's just not geographically practical. Schedule a home/home series from time to time, OK. But, BYU & Utah having to travel east as many as 2300 miles, as many times as 4 times/season, that's just crazy, especially given today's fuel prices.

I've said it in other threads right here on Fanblogs. As much as I would like ND to include football with their Big East sports affiliation, geographically the Big Ten(11) is a far better fit for the Irish. Therefore, I don't see the travel costs involved being off-set by the potential TV market revenues, were BYU & Utah to join the Big East.

Re: Big East's commish to retire, conference split coming?

joe — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 18:05:33 -0000

This is an excellent point, G. If The Big East adds all these cupcakes then the Mountain West should become the 7th BCS Conference.

Re: Big East's commish to retire, conference split coming?

4cornerz — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 12:07:19 -0000

Since L-Tech plays SJS, I think The Big East should expand to state of Texas TCU, SMU and Houston, then grab UCF Football schools only

Re: Big East's commish to retire, conference split coming?

Ben Prather — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:30:35 -0000

You seem to imply Utah and BYU go to the New PAC 12.

Apparently I am ignorant of the reasons why Penn State would like to join the Big East. There is enough consensous on this site to indicate this is an error on my part.

New MWAC: Air Force, New Mexico, SDSU, UNLV and Wyoming remain, Hawaii, Boise St, Fresno St and Nevada would be added. This is nine. Utah St, Idaho and San Jose St would complete the 12, and be remain between the Big East and C-USA in strength .

(Forgot the MAC in my first try)

This creates 9 12 team supper conferences, plus change.

New Mexico State would have to choose if it is better to be independent or join the Sun Belt. I would go independent, with mostly MWAC, Big 12 and PAC 12 games.

Re: Big East's commish to retire, conference split coming?

Ben Prather — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:12:35 -0000

While I agree with this assesment of the MWC, but the automatic BCS bid for the MWC is not going to happen.

Perhaps the threat of a MWC BCS bid may be the push that forces the PAC 10 to assimilate Utah and BYU. Without those two schools the MWC loses a lot of its luster.

Re: Big East's commish to retire, conference split coming?

Ben Prather — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:02:41 -0000

You must be reading ahead...

Re: Big East's commish to retire, conference split coming?

Porcine — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 19:03:41 -0000

Thanks Mr. Obvious. Your a life-saver.

Re: Big East's commish to retire, conference split coming?

WendellCochran — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 08:37:13 -0000

well, it must be summer because the conference crazies are out.

BE is fine in BCS, and why Kevin thinks it needs to be more solidly in is somewhat puzzling.

BE basketball is more than fine, it's the best, most competitive league there is. In case you haven't noticed, the BE "football" programs also are major BE "basketball" programs, too. UCONN, Pitt, WVU, Louisville, Syracuse would be tough basketball outs in any conference.

Getting to 9 BE football teams for an even 4-game round robin conference schedule would be ideal. The only one that makes any sense is Notre Dame, because it wouldn't affect the basketball league.

Re: Big East's commish to retire, conference split coming?

Regan — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 03:02:10 -0000

IF the Big East wanted to expand along the ACC/SEC lines, the Blue/Gray lineups could work out, but to account for interesting "Rivalries", they would be wise to adopt the ACC/SEC 'cross-divisional' permanent-rival team. Granted, this doesn't have to be the team's primary rival, but it would help ensure that geographical and team-strength issues wouldn't keep certain rivalries alive.

Major Rival (for each team) [NOTE: Need possible confirmation]
1) WVU - PITT; Traditional Rivals
2) CINC - LOU; Traditional Rivals
3) RUTG - SYR; Old Big East Rivals
4) CONN - USF; Both are (relatively) new teams
5) UCF - FAU; Geography; new additions
6) MEM - USM; Geography; strong history, etc.

So long as each of these are met, the Rivalries will likely work. The only two 'rivalries' that are cross-divisional and would need a permanent game are CONN-USF and CINC-LOU. If these 'rivalries' are not that strong, the BE could not even mess with permanent cross-division rivals.

Meh... don't mind me; I just can't sleep and feel like babbling common sense stuff....

Re: Big East's commish to retire, conference split coming?

Zac — Sun, 08 Jun 2008 21:35:34 -0000

Fushino, I don't think anyone will argue that FAU is an up-and-comer. To what height they'll reach before they level off is anyone's guess. To be perfectly honest with you, from a purely marketing stand-point, I don't see the need to add another team from FL to the Big East; I'm not opposed to it; I just don't see the advantage.

That having been said, how many teams from FL does the Big East need? The arguments in favor of UCF are predicated upon it being an historical rival with S FL; it has a solid fan base; it has its Admin's support, and it once lobbied to join/was expected to join, the Big East. That's not to say FAU wouldn't be as good a pick, but it brings us to a variation on the theme; "Does the Big East need 3 members from FL?" My best guess is no, but I wouldn't take my best guess to the bank.

It's quite interesting, actually, all this speculation over the fall-out before the bomb goes off. Then again, that's what science does. Why can't we?

Re: Big East's commish to retire, conference split coming?

Fushino — Sun, 08 Jun 2008 16:36:51 -0000

Y'all obviously need to learn a little more about FAU. An obvious choice for Big East Expansion. So here ya go:

FAU is the fastest program to go from Division I-AA to I-A

FAU is the fastest startup program to beat a Division I-A team (and it was a Hawaii Bowl team)

FAU is the fastest program to get to a Bowl Game (previously was South Florida)

FAU is the fastest program to win a Bowl Game (previsously was South Florida)

FAU was top 3 in the NCAA in Turnover margin last season

FAU broke Andre' Woodsens record streak of no INT's thanks to our standout Freshman CB Tavious Polo

FAU is the first Sun Belt team to beat a BIG 10 team

Coached by legendary Howard Schnellenberger (who made Miami and Louisville into big time football programs)

Just approved an on campus 30,000 seat stadium to open against Michigan State in 2010 (with plans to add 30k more seats and a dome)

2nd best QB in the state of Florida with Rusty Smith ripping records to shreds

Only school out of all 6 Division I-A schools in Florida to win a bowl game last year

USF & Louisville have openly claimed they would like to see FAU as the next Big East football member

Big East officials attended FAU's championship game last season to see what all the fuss was about

Last year was supposed to be a building year, but we won the Sun Belt Conference and EVERYBODY is back this year

Only had Football since 2001 and made it to number 4 in the nation in I-AA - Joined Division I-A in 2005

FAU is building a major contender in South Florida. The Big East would be wise to get back into that market since Miami went to the ACC.

Re: Big East's commish to retire, conference split coming?

Porcine — Sat, 07 Jun 2008 19:22:59 -0000

I was doing a little Roy D. Mercer without being obvious about it.

Re: Big East's commish to retire, conference split coming?

1Tomcat — Sat, 07 Jun 2008 00:56:01 -0000

Since, Ive been coming on here, there has always been-heated disscussions right?
Now its kinda funny that we all tend to somehow all agree to a certain extent.
Who would have ever thought that a Miami, WV, UT, Ark and Clemson fan could develop
something that fits economically and geographically thats both fair and just-weird
All the Conf Commissioners and university presidents, atheletic directors and Head coaches
ought to read this stuff because it really makes alot of sense, perhaps sports writers like Kev can
generate this message and I know I'm singing to the choir so to speak, but yall are all right.
Zac they can continue to call it the big ten, because its quite apparent that the number of teams
involved in conference membership is not reflected in the name of the conference Big10/12 instead
of Big 10/11.
hricane23 If BU was to leave the XII which probably aint gonna happen Houston would be a better replacement that Colo St. BU is in the XII because of the late Ann Richards who was the Gov at the time and a BU Alum. So ya politics does play into conference formation.
I think that everybody on the face of the planet would like to see TCU in the XII they have beat XII teams repeatedly including OU ,BU and TTech the only XII team that has beaten them in recent years is UT.
Hookem-Horns
Go Frogs beat the H outa OU

Re: Big East's commish to retire, conference split coming?

Zac — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 20:23:34 -0000

FortyAcersofBurnt..., OUFan, OURon, Tomcat help us out here. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Big 12's "official logo" is actually the Big XII. Now I need Thebuckstopshere, TomBlogical, and any of the other Big Ten(11) gurus. Again, correct me if I'm wrong, but the Big Ten(11)'s official logo is completely spelled out; i.e. "The Big Ten". The Big 12 could keep their logo as it is; the Big Ten(11) could simply spell out "The Big Twelve".

As with hricane 23, perhaps a paradigm shift is in order. Name The Big 12, the Big West, and the Big Ten(11), The Big Mid-Continent.

OR we can get silly. I'll let you figure which one's which:

The Big Conference in which the conference champion can't win their BCS Bowl.

The Big Conference in which the best teams are beaten by champions...from both divisions.

Re: Big East's commish to retire, conference split coming?

Porcine — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 20:04:15 -0000

How would the divisions go? Geographic or ACC style?

Re: Big East's commish to retire, conference split coming?

Kevin @ Fanblogs — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 19:03:40 -0000

I haven't noticed the replies getting too jumpy. I can tell you that... if several people reply to the post, then they fall chronologically... with replies to replies in between. If you see a specific one out of place, lemme know and I will get the Disqus crew to check it out.

Re: Big East's commish to retire, conference split coming?

tejones — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 18:25:34 -0000

The Midwestern 12!

Re: Big East's commish to retire, conference split coming?

Zac — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 17:02:06 -0000

Kevin, why do the comments not fall in where they're put; for example, replies seem to go just about anywhere. Some days you read comments on here and many are not in chronological order. Are these just a few of the glicheroni type growing pains with this new system, or is there a madness to this method?

Re: Big East's commish to retire, conference split coming?

Zac — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 16:55:59 -0000

TC, I'm working on the photo thing. I'll have to get my computer-guru, wife, to assist me, as I'm about as computer literate as a dead steer (Thought I'd throw that in for some social rhetoric.). Ahem, anyway, got my eye on either a Lithium atom or a mushroom cloud. Watcha think?

Re: Big East's commish to retire, conference split coming?

hricane23 — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 16:53:47 -0000

Alright, already... Everybody's throwing 'round new teams and new conferences and re-aligning everything, including their packages. The goal's to get 12 teams per conference, huh? And championship games in each one? How 'bout....

ACC and SEC remain unchanged. (12 teams apiece)

New Big 12 - Iowa St. and Baylor leave; Colorado St. and TCU sign up (12 teams)

New Big 10 + 2 - Penn St leaves; Notre Dame and Iowa St sign up (12 teams)

New Big East - Nobody leaves; Penn St., UCF, Memphis and Marshall sign up (12 teams)

New C-USA - UCF, Memphis, and Marshall have left; replaced by La Tech, Baylor, Western Kentucky (12 teams)

Mountain West - BYU, Utah, TCU, and Colorado St have left; bring on Hawai'i, Boise St, Fresno St, Nevada, and, I don't know, San Jose St. (12 teams)

The remaining WAC teams, Utah St, Idaho, and New Mexico State join forces to create a Super Conference.

Navy and Army remain Independent.

I think that works...

The only thing left to figure out is what to call the New Big 10 + 2? Big 12's already taken.

Re: Big East's commish to retire, conference split coming?

Zac — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 16:52:46 -0000

You know what they say, C_J; "Great *thinks* mind alike...", er, something like that...

Re: Big East's commish to retire, conference split coming?

4cornerz — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 14:01:39 -0000