Fanblogs.com: Boise State moving to the Mountain West?
Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
That move would make sense, and only make the MWC stronger, and the WAC even weaker.
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
Best New Suggestions to Rename the Humanitarian Bowl with out using Smurf and Turf in the same sentence:
The Please Do Not Adjust Your Set Bowl...
The We Thought Kentucky Was the Blue-Grass State Bowl...
The Nothing Says Humanitarianism like Boise Does Bowl...
The Any Way in Hell We Could Get a SEC Team Out Here Bowl...
The Grass Is Always Bluer Bowl...
The Hey Mountain West, You Could Be Watching This Carpet All Season Long Bowl...
Someone feel free to jump in here...
OU_Ron
· 1 year ago
The Only use 3D glasses to watch this Bowl
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
That field is probably the most compelling reason why the MWC has not already accepted Boise State.
As for the bowl name...
The Potato Bowl has a nice ring to it.
OU_Ron
· 1 year ago
The Potato King of the NW would ove that name ( RD Offutt ), hell he would probably sponsor it......
GoCougs!
· 1 year ago
I'm a BYU fan but I think smurf turf was such a good idea!! Keep the turf, any marketer would realize what a clever idea it is (gives your team an identity), so join the MWC along with a combination of Fresno St/ San Jose St and Houston/SMU. Add a conference championship game and we should be able to get into plenty of BCS games (of course then we'd be stronger top to bottom than both ACC and Big East, so heck why not an auto-bid).
Porcine
· 1 year ago
I disagree with that last sentence.
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
How is the current MWC plus Fresno State, Boise State and Nevada not comparable to the ACC and Big East?
Number of top 25 teams the last 5 years? BCS bowl performance? Percentage of conference bowl eligible per year?
1Tomcat
· 1 year ago
I dunno Ben sounds like it would definetly add some strength to a purty good conference, But what if Utah And BYU bail to the Pac-12, then the conference would be more comparable to C-USA. I'll be pulling for one MWC team this fall TCU vs OU They lost alot to graduation and early in the season at OU will be tough. They have beaten TTech & OU in the past and Patterson always has a strong D. What do you think about the Frogs this year?
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
The Frogs have their hands full with Oklahoma. They have a significantly better chance than, say, Appalachian State had against Michigan last year.
The Frogs, along with Utah and BYU are the top of the MWC. These teams are about to a level of a #4 or #5 Big 12 team.
If Texas A&M or Colorado can beat Oklahoma, TCU can too.
They will be Bowling this year and should have 9+ wins.
1Tomcat
· 1 year ago
Ya Ben ya never know, but The Horns played them last year and won the game in the second half,they came out after halftime p-ssed off. I beleive the Horns were #4 in the B-12 last year behind OU,Missu, and KU. They whuped a purty good AZ St team, so you never know. Im ready for some more big upsets and I like to pull for underdogs. First two games I'll watch will be SMU at Rice If Rice could just stop somebody they'd be alright plenty of offense, Balliff has always been known as a defensive guy and being JJones first game with the Ponys has the folks in big D excited, ought to be a good matchup against comparable opponents-I'm pulling for the Owls. Wake @ Baylor Wake is ranked in every catagory and BU has a new coach, Wake should be heavily favored in this game ,but coach Briles knows how to get 100% out of his players, they have working on this game all spring & summer- I'll be pullin for the Bears in a huge upset
Porcine
· 1 year ago
It's too much like Conference USA., just a few bigger names.
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
Name 5 teams from C-USA that got votes in the USA today poll?
Porcine
· 1 year ago
Right now they are comparable, but i don't see them sustaining the status of a power conference like the Big East and ACC can.
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
Right now their is a wide gap between the Big East/ACC and C-USA/WAC. The MWC fits in the middle of that large gap.
With a defection of Boise State and Fresno State the MWC would move to the top of that gap. Nevada would seal the deal.
BYU, Utah, TCU, Air Force, Fresno State, Boise State and Nevada have been sustaining/growing for the last ten years.
Can you really argue that Miami and Florida State are sustaining their status? What about Duke?
The Big East has passed the ACC by expanding to include a sound Louisville team. The way the Big 10 is going, the Big East may be past them before too long.
Porcine
· 1 year ago
Most of they time they will finish there even with the additions. Fifth is about as high as they would get.
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
Fifth is about as high as the ACC or Big East can hope to become, unless the Big 10 continues its down turn. I am not saying the expanded MWC would be as strong as the top BCS conferences, but that they could run with the bottom BCS conferences.
This is better than the perpetual seventh you say they are stuck with, even with expansion.
Porcine
· 1 year ago
The ACC is seen as an uderachieving conferenceof late, but yet they are still considered better than the MWC. SIx times teams now in the ACC have played in the BCS title game, They MWC would not match that, a lot of it because of the system. They can run with the weak BCS conferences, but they majority of the time they are going to lose that race.
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
I am replying to your post below here, as we are getting close to the edge.
The ACC is better than the MWC now. No argument there. Adding Fresno State and Boise State would narrow the gap to negligible proportions. The current trends would favor the rising and expanded MWC to pass the sinking ACC.
The teams in the ACC are 4-10 in BCS Bowls. The expanded MWC would be 2-0. Maybe if the ACC was not forced to send teams eligible only because they are the ACC champion to the BCS they would fair better.
The expanded MWC won its two bowls, one very convincingly. If they went every year they might win 2 of the remaining 12 they would need to catch up with the ACC. To catch up with teams now in the Big East they would need to win 1 out of 3.
The six time teams now in the ACC have played in the title game have involved 3 teams, Miami, FSU and VT. Two of those teams have all but become relics of the past. They are 1-3 in those games in which they played a team not now in the ACC. Give the expanded MWC champion 4 shots and they might even get the upset once. On this basis the expanded MWC compares better with the current alignment of the Big East, with no championship appearances.
That is unless you count 1984.
JB
· 1 year ago
The Maybe we should tone down the number of bowls so that they can be counted by three people using both hands bowl.....just a thought
Porcine
· 1 year ago
Babe Bunyan Bowl.
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
Personally I thought Boise made more sense when the MWC expanded to take TCU. TCU worked out nice, so I am not going to complain too much.
As it stands, Boise State desperately wants in the MWC, like Utah and BYU desperately want in the PAC 10. The PAC 10 and MWC are content the way they are.
The agreement appears to be putting the WAC representative vs MWC #5. The WAC's bowl slots are determined by which teams are available than rank. The humanitarian Bowl often features the WAC #1 or #2 team. I think WAC#2 vs MWC #5 highly favors the WAC team.
The article suggests they may be able to renegotiate, as the current MWC bowl agreements are set to expire. I don't see the Las Vegas Bowl giving up the MWC #1 slot. I could see the Humanitarian Bowl able to negotiate up to #2 or #3, with TCU and Air Force going to the Armed Forces Bowl if #2, New Mexico going to the New Mexico Bowl, and SDSU going to the Poinsettia Bowl. WAC #1 or #2 vs MWC #2 or #3 would be a great game year in and year out.
Jim
· 1 year ago
We should send Air Force every year! The Falcons know the climate, are always disciplined and give every team they play fits. I would bet on a 6/6 AF or NM against any WAC #3 or below team any day.
Scuttling the WAC aside, wouldn't the MWC be better served by increasing their footprint in Texas or California? Fresno, Houston, UTEP... Its too bad there isn't a solid program from Arizona available. The conference is already pretty well represented in Idaho.
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
Usually a big gap exists between the WAC#2 and #3.
Air Force vs Nevada would be a good game.
Boise has been lobbying for years to enter the MWC. Persistence counts for something, right?
Wayne (Tenn)
· 1 year ago
I really don't give a $&^% about the MWC unless there are "releases" of some of their "baggage" also. Should be a realignment of the strength and committed schools from both conferences, with the remaining in a new "mid-major". The Pac-10 doesn't give sh*t about BYU or Utah, get over it. Talk to someone from Stanford or Cal. BSU, Utah have shown they can get it done, esp. BSU on a consistent basis. I don't think BSU should join the current MWC at this point, no real benefit.
bevo
· 1 year ago
This article highlights everything wrong with the bowl system. A few years ago, Clemson went to the Boise Bowl because school officials agreed to buy a lot of tickets. How is this act nothing more than a shakedown? Get a RICO suit going.
If the Mountain West Conference agrees to Boise State's demand, then will the Y and the U start a bowl game to hold the PAC 10 hostage?
Boise State must change the name of the school. The University of Boise sounds better than State, which suggests an Ag school. People, this school was a JuCo 50 years ago. Give it a name befitting its regional scope.
bronco08
· 1 year ago
The name Boise State is just fine, mere opinion. "Boise State University Broncos" or "University of Boise Broncos".
cougarfan
· 1 year ago
Ok, well why don't you look at the Big East's and ACC's record against non-conference BCS teams for the past few years, and then the winning percentage of those OOC opponents, and compare those numbers to the MWC http://www.sportslinknetwork.com/cfbtrivia/reco... For the past four years the MWC has matched both those conferences. Add Fresno St and Boise St, and what do you get? a conference that is stronger top to bottom than both ACC and Big East. Do you have any counter-evidence, because I'd love to see it!
Kevin @ Fanblogs
· 1 year ago
It's hard to argue with the insane.
Bevo_Boy
· 1 year ago
Did somebody say Coondawg?
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
BYU vs Clemson UNLV vs Duke
Top and bottom look close, I like the MWC odds.
With Boise and Fresno State added the MWC would have as many teams in the top 25, 30 and 35 as the Big East and ACC in the preseason poll.
1Tomcat
· 1 year ago
I totally agree with this guy, look at the bottom of Big East Pitt, UConn, RU , Cinn ok you win-yea right Some of the MWC teams like TCU for example can pull off a upset now & then, but when looking at the bottom of the B-12 Iowa St and Baylor would be powerhouses looking for a BCS win. A team like Baylor goes 3-9 or 5-7 in the B-12 if they were in C-USA or WAC they would probably be champions of their conference. One year TCU goes 11-1 every body is making a big deal about it. The only loss that year was to SMU a losing C-USA team that Baylor beat. Ok Ok Wyoming beat UVA great I like MWC but lets not get too carried away. I saw the TCU vs BU games the last two years and TCU won, I also saw the TCU vs UT game and I have attended the UT vs BU the last 3 years. Even though BU lost the game 31-10 it was a closer game than the TCU vs UT game. Two interceptions close to the end killed it for the Bears who held their own for 3.5 quarters against a ranked opponent. Had TCU been selected to the B-12 they would not have any 11 win seasons like the MWC. I hope they beat OU and I'll be pullin for them. JMHO - no offense or disrespect I like MWC football and C-USA Take the Baylor schedule and study it They play 11 games against teams from BCS conferences including Wake Forest, UConn, Oklahoma,Texas,Texas A&M,Texas Tech,Ok State I'm not sure about the North teams this year but Missu,Kansas,Colo, Nebraska aint no UNLV, Wyoming,Air Force etc etc In other words the #12 B-12 team BU in another conference would be bowl bound every year. I cant really speak about Duke, but I've seen BU beat CU,KU,KSU,Ok St,A&M and IA St . So OK they are at the bottom of the B-12, look at who they are facing. Much like a Vandy in the SEC
Porcine
· 1 year ago
Toilet cleaner bowl Indigo bowl
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
The MWC is using a logo this year celebrating its tenth anniversary, with a very prominent 10. Could this be a Freudian slip of back room deals? Adding the 10th team in the tenth year?
All Comments
The Please Do Not Adjust Your Set Bowl...
The We Thought Kentucky Was the Blue-Grass State Bowl...
The Nothing Says Humanitarianism like Boise Does Bowl...
The Any Way in Hell We Could Get a SEC Team Out Here Bowl...
The Grass Is Always Bluer Bowl...
The Hey Mountain West, You Could Be Watching This Carpet All Season Long Bowl...
Someone feel free to jump in here...
As for the bowl name...
The Potato Bowl has a nice ring to it.
Number of top 25 teams the last 5 years?
BCS bowl performance?
Percentage of conference bowl eligible per year?
I'll be pulling for one MWC team this fall TCU vs OU
They lost alot to graduation and early in the season at OU will be tough. They have beaten TTech & OU in the past and Patterson always has a strong D. What do you think about the Frogs this year?
The Frogs, along with Utah and BYU are the top of the MWC. These teams are about to a level of a #4 or #5 Big 12 team.
If Texas A&M or Colorado can beat Oklahoma, TCU can too.
They will be Bowling this year and should have 9+ wins.
Im ready for some more big upsets and I like to pull for underdogs. First two games I'll watch will be
SMU at Rice If Rice could just stop somebody they'd be alright plenty of offense, Balliff has always been known as a defensive guy and being JJones first game with the Ponys has the folks in big D excited, ought to be a good matchup against comparable opponents-I'm pulling for the Owls.
Wake @ Baylor Wake is ranked in every catagory and BU has a new coach, Wake should be heavily favored in this game ,but coach Briles knows how to get 100% out of his players, they have working on this game all spring & summer- I'll be pullin for the Bears in a huge upset
With a defection of Boise State and Fresno State the MWC would move to the top of that gap. Nevada would seal the deal.
BYU, Utah, TCU, Air Force, Fresno State, Boise State and Nevada have been sustaining/growing for the last ten years.
Can you really argue that Miami and Florida State are sustaining their status? What about Duke?
The Big East has passed the ACC by expanding to include a sound Louisville team. The way the Big 10 is going, the Big East may be past them before too long.
This is better than the perpetual seventh you say they are stuck with, even with expansion.
The ACC is better than the MWC now. No argument there. Adding Fresno State and Boise State would narrow the gap to negligible proportions. The current trends would favor the rising and expanded MWC to pass the sinking ACC.
The teams in the ACC are 4-10 in BCS Bowls. The expanded MWC would be 2-0. Maybe if the ACC was not forced to send teams eligible only because they are the ACC champion to the BCS they would fair better.
The expanded MWC won its two bowls, one very convincingly. If they went every year they might win 2 of the remaining 12 they would need to catch up with the ACC. To catch up with teams now in the Big East they would need to win 1 out of 3.
The six time teams now in the ACC have played in the title game have involved 3 teams, Miami, FSU and VT. Two of those teams have all but become relics of the past. They are 1-3 in those games in which they played a team not now in the ACC. Give the expanded MWC champion 4 shots and they might even get the upset once. On this basis the expanded MWC compares better with the current alignment of the Big East, with no championship appearances.
That is unless you count 1984.
As it stands, Boise State desperately wants in the MWC, like Utah and BYU desperately want in the PAC 10. The PAC 10 and MWC are content the way they are.
The agreement appears to be putting the WAC representative vs MWC #5. The WAC's bowl slots are determined by which teams are available than rank. The humanitarian Bowl often features the WAC #1 or #2 team. I think WAC#2 vs MWC #5 highly favors the WAC team.
The article suggests they may be able to renegotiate, as the current MWC bowl agreements are set to expire. I don't see the Las Vegas Bowl giving up the MWC #1 slot. I could see the Humanitarian Bowl able to negotiate up to #2 or #3, with TCU and Air Force going to the Armed Forces Bowl if #2, New Mexico going to the New Mexico Bowl, and SDSU going to the Poinsettia Bowl. WAC #1 or #2 vs MWC #2 or #3 would be a great game year in and year out.
Scuttling the WAC aside, wouldn't the MWC be better served by increasing their footprint in Texas or California? Fresno, Houston, UTEP... Its too bad there isn't a solid program from Arizona available. The conference is already pretty well represented in Idaho.
Air Force vs Nevada would be a good game.
Boise has been lobbying for years to enter the MWC. Persistence counts for something, right?
If the Mountain West Conference agrees to Boise State's demand, then will the Y and the U start a bowl game to hold the PAC 10 hostage?
Boise State must change the name of the school. The University of Boise sounds better than State, which suggests an Ag school. People, this school was a JuCo 50 years ago. Give it a name befitting its regional scope.
For the past four years the MWC has matched both those conferences. Add Fresno St and Boise St, and what do you get? a conference that is stronger top to bottom than both ACC and Big East. Do you have any counter-evidence, because I'd love to see it!
UNLV vs Duke
Top and bottom look close, I like the MWC odds.
With Boise and Fresno State added the MWC would have as many teams in the top 25, 30 and 35 as the Big East and ACC in the preseason poll.
Pitt, UConn, RU , Cinn ok you win-yea right
Some of the MWC teams like TCU for example can pull off a upset now & then, but when looking at the bottom of the B-12 Iowa St and Baylor would be powerhouses looking for a BCS win.
A team like Baylor goes 3-9 or 5-7 in the B-12 if they were in C-USA or WAC they would probably be champions of their conference.
One year TCU goes 11-1 every body is making a big deal about it. The only loss that year was to SMU a losing C-USA team that Baylor beat.
Ok Ok Wyoming beat UVA great I like MWC but lets not get too carried away.
I saw the TCU vs BU games the last two years and TCU won, I also saw the TCU vs UT game and I have attended the UT vs BU the last 3 years. Even though BU lost the game 31-10 it was a closer game than the TCU vs UT game. Two interceptions close to the end killed it for the Bears who held their own for 3.5 quarters against a ranked opponent. Had TCU been selected to the B-12 they would not have any 11 win seasons like the MWC. I hope they beat OU and I'll be pullin for them.
JMHO - no offense or disrespect I like MWC football and C-USA
Take the Baylor schedule and study it
They play 11 games against teams from BCS conferences including
Wake Forest, UConn, Oklahoma,Texas,Texas A&M,Texas Tech,Ok State
I'm not sure about the North teams this year but Missu,Kansas,Colo, Nebraska aint no UNLV, Wyoming,Air Force etc etc In other words the #12 B-12 team BU in another conference would be bowl bound every year. I cant really speak about Duke, but I've seen BU beat CU,KU,KSU,Ok St,A&M and IA St . So OK they are at the bottom of the B-12, look at who they are facing. Much like a Vandy in the SEC
Indigo bowl