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Re: Bowden calls Saban, Daddy: "What should I do?"

greenvilleboi — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 23:21:51 -0000

I AM SICK OF CLEMSON AND BOWDEN--Bowden never coaches to win he have those players playing not to lose...Anytime a game gets tight instead of doing what kept you in the game they always go to this soft (keep everything in front of me zone) and teams eat them up all the way to the endzone. IF blitzing and pressure kept you in the game dang it it will win a couple for you. Instead they run away from what keeps them in games and almost always loses it in the last minutes. that's been a trademark for this program. FINISH IT was the catch phrase the last 2 yrs and they still can't get it done. They fold under pressure everytime. I am a fan of clemson but i had to go to just watching them play.. I find it hard to root for them even when they are winning I sit back and think OK tigers show your true colors back offf you are up and let the team come back and win the game. IF YOU ARE NOT Going to play to win..You shouldn't waste the fuel cost to travel to the game. THE Trademark of clemson football is even if we are winning...WE WILL COME UP WITH NEW AND INNOVATING WAYS TO LET THE OTHER TEAM WIN....

Re: Bowden calls Saban, Daddy: "What should I do?"

SULLY — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 23:08:06 -0000

CLEMSON- when given an opportunity to WIN they will figure out how to lose. they have been experts at this season after season in close and momentum games. They will completely crush an offense but when the game is on the line they get back in a soft zone and let whoever march right down the field and score on a game winning drive. If pressure on QB's and blitzes keep you in the game dammit it's bound to win a couple. CLEMSON HAS NOT LEARNED FROM THIS YET after numerous azz spankings. I was a die hard clemson fan but i tell you bowden makes it hard to be a fan. it's amazing how he can always figure out how to lose a game in the last minutes. HE NEEDS TO GET THE HELL OUT OF SC and HEAD SOUTH.....way south. and find a HS Florida team that needs a softy to lead them to a mediocre season....ADVICE TO CLEMSON play to win and stop playing not to lose.....it hasn't worked yet and never will. --James Davis you should have left last year and went PRO. this DISMAL season under BOWDEN has taken your stock down lower than the DOW today.....

Re: Bowden calls Saban, Daddy: "What should I do?"

Gatorboy41 — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 11:46:50 -0000

IMHO, you could'nt have said it any better. Now what kind of confidence to your player have in a coach after that phone call. Now that's a true follower, not a leader.

Re: Bowden calls Saban, Daddy: "What should I do?"

Jon — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 00:46:31 -0000

IMHO --

He is done. This will probably be the final nail in the coffin. He may be a really nice guy, but knowing how to motivate your players after a loss is not something you call and ask the person who kicked your ass. Bad move

Re: Bowden calls Saban, Daddy: "What should I do?"

eleven man front — Sat, 06 Sep 2008 14:42:01 -0000

that isn't very different from the auburn job!

Re: Bowden calls Saban, Daddy: "What should I do?"

gatorhippy — Sat, 06 Sep 2008 08:32:10 -0000

LMAO!

Re: Bowden calls Saban, Daddy: "What should I do?"

Big B — Sat, 06 Sep 2008 07:24:12 -0000

Actually, he gave a large number of reasons. My quick read identified the following points:

(1) Charlie Strong's defense has had poor performances and nothing to show since 2006 (I guess that means one year, 2007, or did the Gators need a few more pic6's against Hawaii to avoid a poor performance in game one this year?)

(2) play calling is, in his opinion, crap. In the absence of his resume, his credentials, or some example of play calls that were crap to demonstrate the value of this opinion, it is hard to put a value on such an argument. I guess I would call it an opinion from an unknown quantity.

(3) his inlaws. Interestingly, the way he phrases it , "EVEN" his inlaws know [Charlie Strong] needs to be replaced, implies that they are anything but knowledgeable about football. In addition to limiting the value of the argument by its own terms, it also succeeds in making him candidate for "condescending son in law of the year." Since his opinion is that his inlaws know very little about football, then why should this be an argument?

(4) A last minute scoring drive given up to Auburn. The horror. I don't think I have ever seen a good team lose a game. Presumably it would have been better if UF had lost in a blowout, rather than narrowly losing a close game.

(5) UGA scored 41 points. ( Sorry, I havent been able to say that often, but it feels good. I have to give him that one)

(6) The Michigan game

(7) bend don't break philosphy (is that not just a recasting of the opinion that there was poor play calling?)

(8) poor results occured despite a wealth of named, talented players

(9) poor performance in big games (restates UGA and the bowl game, each of which are restatements of the "performance since 2006" argument)

In sum, he has three points, ranked in order of value:

inlaws
2007 was not a great season
opinion of unknown blogger

I think he wins by a nose on the basis of his willingness to insult the inlaws.

Re: Bowden calls Saban, Daddy: "What should I do?"

Big B — Sat, 06 Sep 2008 06:52:42 -0000

A few more games like last Saturday, and Rich Rodriguez might be on the market again.

Re: Bowden calls Saban, Daddy: "What should I do?"

Ben Prather — Fri, 05 Sep 2008 18:39:33 -0000

Now there is a name I haven't seen in a while...

Re: Bowden calls Saban, Daddy: "What should I do?"

aVoiceInSC — Fri, 05 Sep 2008 15:04:39 -0000

Not really. In 1998 Furman had a 5-6 record. In 1999 they did win the conference, but it wasn't until 2000 and 2001 that he started to get serious consideration from anyone. When Bowden went undefeated with Tulane, everyone in Clemson was so high on him, that I can't remember anyone else being seriously considered.

I really like Johnson though. It would be a bit of a gamble, but I love that strong defensive mentality.

Re: Bowden calls Saban, Daddy: "What should I do?"

gatorhippy — Fri, 05 Sep 2008 13:36:22 -0000

Exactly what I was thinking while watching that game last night...

I also like his attitude and support of the decision by Vandy Admin. to dump their Athletic Department and seriously seek true student athletes...

On that note alone, Johnson would be a huge plus for Clemson which is so highly for it's academics...

Maybe you can answer a question for me, CJ...

Was Johnson on the list in 98/99 when the search process that resulted in Bowden's hire at Clemson?

He had really brought Furman full circle at that point so I'm just curious if had received consideration...

Re: Bowden calls Saban, Daddy: "What should I do?"

gatorhippy — Fri, 05 Sep 2008 12:47:57 -0000

Ok...

So let me get this straight...

You're saying that Strong is NOT qualified for a HC position because:

A) Your In-Laws don't like his play calling...

B) The UF defense gave up 40+ points twice last season...

IS that right?

Re: Bowden calls Saban, Daddy: "What should I do?"

PrinceMarko — Fri, 05 Sep 2008 12:40:25 -0000

All i hear is Blah blah blah and watch as Strong's defense gets 40+ points put up against it in big games.

Re: Bowden calls Saban, Daddy: "What should I do?"

gatorhippy — Fri, 05 Sep 2008 12:29:07 -0000

No need to call a truce...

You've just again showed that you nothing of Charlie Strong...

Strong has been a fixture at Florida off and on for over 20 years...

His latest stint began again in 2003 when he was hired by Zook to improve the defense as the DC and bolster recruiting (again a known "Strong" point for Charlie)...

After which he was designated as the Interim HC for the Peach Bowl loss after Zook was canned and had to deal with a supporting staff that decidedly didn't want to be there as the Gators prepared for that game as Zook's staffers that were heading to Illinois with him all wore Illini shirts in the practices leading up to that game purposely instigating a lowering of team morale...

Then took the defensive talent (much of which he directly recruited) and further developed it into the championship quality that we saw in 2006...

Then last season, Charlie took a decidely inexperienced defense and STILL led the league in rushing defense despite the reasons I outlined above...

IMO sounds like there isn't a need to wait and see what Strong can do...

The "wait and see" is more in when will prominent white boosters see past the race issue and give Strong his chance that is long overdue...

Re: Bowden calls Saban, Daddy: "What should I do?"

PrinceMarko — Fri, 05 Sep 2008 11:08:04 -0000

Playing it up? Michigan played 1 snap that year healthy before the Capital One Bowl. I told everyone that the Gators are going to get pushed around, it wasnt a surprise to me. On the flip side, you are playing their poor performance down. Its a stupid argument, we can go back and forth on this all day.

Re: Bowden calls Saban, Daddy: "What should I do?"

PrinceMarko — Fri, 05 Sep 2008 11:06:14 -0000

How about we call a truce until this season progresses and find out if Strong can adapt now? He's had 2-3 years with this defense and there shouldnt be too many excuses for not performing.

Re: Bowden calls Saban, Daddy: "What should I do?"

TampaGator — Fri, 05 Sep 2008 11:02:13 -0000

Leavitt has had MANY offers to leave USF. He'd be long gone if he was interested in the short sale. He's not just developing a fb program there; he's building a legend. He ain't goin anywhere.

GO GATORS!!

Re: Bowden calls Saban, Daddy: "What should I do?"

TampaGator — Fri, 05 Sep 2008 10:57:39 -0000

Gatorhip:

I'm afraid he's right: "...Derrick Harvey, Major Wright, Dustin Doe, Spikes... " would make for very solid defensive foundation...

...in the BIG 10!

(You gotta' take into account the perspective where the comment's coming from; Marko's just trying to play up their Bowl win...never mind the NC aspirations going into season, and NFL talent on Michigan...).

I jest, of course-- 100% in agreement with your analysis here re. Strong.

GO GATORS!!

Re: Bowden calls Saban, Daddy: "What should I do?"

gatorhippy — Fri, 05 Sep 2008 10:41:05 -0000

So lets see here...

You're pointing too one returning starter, a kid that was playing prep ball at that time the year before and two other cats that were redshirts and mostly played in mop up duty the season before as a "capable" defense...

Throw in another true freshman at one corner and a redshirt sophmore that mostly saw time on Special Teams in 2006 along with factoring in the decimation of an already thin DL by injuries...

Any Gator fan that expected a return trip to the SEC CG a given in 2007 is a seriously delusional fan and blinded by their inability to assess their favorite team objectively...

Being the realist that I am I pointed out before the 2007 season even began right here at Fanblogs that UF would be a 3-4 loss team at best and had no business in the top ten all season long BECAUSE of their inexperienced defense...

And remind me again how that prediction turned out???

I would suggest not taking betting advice from your "Orange and Blue" blue koolaid drinking in laws if you're a gambling man...

FYI - Strong actually has been lauded for his aggressive attacking defensive schemes...

Not a "Bend but don't break" mentality...

Re: Bowden calls Saban, Daddy: "What should I do?"

TampaGator — Fri, 05 Sep 2008 09:54:51 -0000

Hey, what was Steve Martin doing on the Vandy sidelines? I swear, it looked like he was coaching!

GO GATORS!!

Re: Bowden calls Saban, Daddy: "What should I do?"

PrinceMarko — Fri, 05 Sep 2008 09:52:32 -0000

Pahlease.........

Derrick Harvey, Major Wright, Dustin Doe, Spikes...

You had a capable defense to get you back into the SEC championship game and the BCS championship. Strong never adapted his play calling. The "bend but dont break" scheme NEVER works.

I'm not questioning his character, just his play calling.

Re: Bowden calls Saban, Daddy: "What should I do?"

gatorhippy — Fri, 05 Sep 2008 09:48:28 -0000

All of the above were results of inexperience, bub...

Not playcalling...

Re: Bowden calls Saban, Daddy: "What should I do?"

PrinceMarko — Fri, 05 Sep 2008 09:42:37 -0000

No, actually my arguements are:

-Auburn beating you at home on a last minute drive
-Georgia piling up 41 points on your "AWESOME" defense
-Chad Henne, Mario Manningham and Adrian Arrington using your secondary like a Elliot Spitzer's women.

Re: Bowden calls Saban, Daddy: "What should I do?"

gatorhippy — Fri, 05 Sep 2008 09:42:00 -0000

Seriously, though...

You have more of a reason than that, right???

Re: Bowden calls Saban, Daddy: "What should I do?"

gatorhippy — Fri, 05 Sep 2008 09:35:12 -0000

LMAO...

So that's your argument???

Because your in-laws think his play calling is crap???

Good god...

Discussion over...