Fanblogs.com: Brian Cushing & Clay Matthews reveal USC's "Secret Formula" for 6 straight PAC-10 Titles at the NFL Combine
Porcine
· 8 months ago
What's going to happen? Nothing.
fosterkeats
· 8 months ago
It's USC... they'll be off the hook in minutes... just Ohio St...
If this was an SEC school, they'd be put on probation...
U.of S.C.1978
· 8 months ago
Show up for a shot at an NFL contract, under the influence of anything, and you might be a DUMB ASS.
gatorhippy
· 8 months ago
Not to "split hairs", but...
You can test positive for marijuana and not be "under the influence"...
U.of S.C.1978
· 8 months ago
Any chemical that persists in the fatty cells of your brain as long THC does, "influences" you. It don't matter if you smoked a bowl today, or not. There's tons of research out there. A chronic imbiber may not be "under the influence", but will still "lean" to one side or the other. Structurally speaking.
gatorhippy
· 8 months ago
While I will agree that it will affect brain functions and be prominent in fat cells due to THC's fat solubility...
That is certainly not the same as being "under the influence"...
U.of S.C.1978
· 8 months ago
Why don't you float this argument in front of the NFL, on behalf of Percy Harvin? He could use some help.
gatorhippy
· 8 months ago
If the NFL was accusing him of being "under the influence" at the time of his participation in the combine I just might...
However, it's not...
But you are...
So I'm fostering the discussion with you...
As well as...
Our disagreement stems more from the difference of being "under the influence" and traces of THC showing up in a drug test rather than Harvin and his drug use...
U.of S.C.1978
· 8 months ago
How about this then, if an athlete tests positive for a performance enhancing drug, would you consider his body to be "under the influence" of the drug?
You're right about Percy not being obligated to the NFL, at this time. But it is an indicator that may well affect how high he gets picked in the draft, and consequently, his future salary. It won't do him any good while looking for endorsements either.
By the way, I'm for the legalization of weed. I've tried it in my past, don't have any desire for it these days.
gatorhippy
· 8 months ago
I would say it depends on what we're talking about exactly...
Steroids are taken in cycles and require a weekly dose to continue to gain the desired effect during training...
In my experience as a collegiate athlete, I knew guys that would cycle through the spring and summer then drop their regiment as the season approached...
Upon ceasing their consumption they wouldn't see the same substantial gains for obvious reasons...
However, they wouldn't test positive given that their use had ceased and the type & dosages they were using...
As well as, that while steroids DO enhance performance through quicker gains in strength and conditioning; their benefits lie in the long term goal and would provide no beneficial edge in dropping a cycle an hour before starting a competition (READ: the combine for the benefit of our conversation)...
Steroids, depending on the type, can be detected long after their actual effects discontinue to affect the gains achieved when they have ceased to be used...
So in reference to those discussed above in particular it would depend largely as to when they were taken as to whether the athlete was actually "under the influence" of steroids when testing positive; similiar to weed...
On the other hand...
PEDs such as pain killers, stimulants and sedatives are taken for their immediate effect within short time and are specifically taken to pain, reduce reaction time, increase alertness, decrease heart rate, anxiety & nervousness, etc. respectively at the point of competiton...
The "performance enhancing" quality in these lie in the point of competititive performance rather than training (usually though there are exceptions) and require the user to actually be "under the influence" of them to benefit from their properties in competitive performance...
Blood Doping or "stacking" also falls into this category though not technically a "drug"...
As far as Percy and his NFL draft status goes...
The kid was already looking at mid-first round due to what seems to be his fragileness and perpencity for missing games...
The low Wonderlic score pushed him to the bottom of the first...
From what I've seen now, many are predicting very late first round to anywhere in the second depending on the team and needs due to this latest development...
There are some pain killers like ibuprofen that can actually trigger a false positive for THC; though even with his dinged up ankle I seriously would doubt that's the case...
More interesting to me is exactly which drug screen did it appear in...
Urine is a reliable but is more apt to catch heavy/frequent users or those sporting large amounts of fatty tissue...
The occasional user (weekly to monthly) often will only resgister by urine within a day or two of smoking unless they are carrying large amounts of body fat for the THC to cling to and obviously Harvin isn't a chubby guy...
Hair testing can detect it longer but there are limitations as to how far back it will actually show depending on the length of the hair but can be sampled from any area of the body with the exception of the "Special Purpose' zone...
The general standard is something like an inch and a half gives roughly around three months of history...
Harvin doesn't have headful of lengthy locks nor does he appear to be a particularly wooly guy in terms of body hair...
Blood testing can show use as well, but would be more of a determinant of extremely recent smoking (within hours) though heavy users can show traces in the blood for days even though they may have abstained over that time and a positive here for Harvin would certainly support your earlier generalization and the topic of our conversation (which, for the record, I am in know way claiming that PH didn't toke a huge blunt right before the combine)...
The NFL conducts screens of all three types...
Legalization?
While it all sounds terrific, it would be a cluster f*ck on the national level because of the amount of personal interest gains sought by those leading us federally....
Many claim the taxation and produced income would/could be used to support schools, etc. and done the correct way it possibly could...
But this is the US and if anybody can find a way to turn a buck and screw the actual people it was supposed to help it's Americans...
However, decriminalization, IMHO, would aid in removing the "gateway" propensity of it in the progression of illicit drug use and experimentation...
U.of S.C.1978
· 8 months ago
I guess we're just gonna have to agree to disagree GH. I am of the opinion that if an athlete is cheating, any gains that remain, such as mass or increased endurance, are an influence. I also believe any residue from a "recreational" drug creates an influence, no matter how minimal.
As to legalization, we already have a real clusterfu--erazation. The drug gangs are out of control south of the border, and that action is moving north. Let pharmacies or liquor stores sell the crap, I say.
Unfortunately, the physiology of the human body would also be in disagreement with your "opinion"; as well as the "tons of research out there" you referred to...
However, since you hold your "opinion" as such, I assume that you don't ever operate a motor vehicle...
FYI - Legalization of weed won't stop the violence of the drug trade...
There is still plenty of other substances to be fought over for control of the trade...
U.of S.C.1978
· 8 months ago
Finally, I've been waiting for you to step in it, and you did.
"FYI - Legalization of weed won't stop the violence of the drug trade..." You are wrong. American mobsters quit killing one another over alcohol, when the prohibition of alcohol was repealed. Repeal and re-legalization of alcohol, eliminated the gangsters profit motive in the trade.
"However, since you hold your "opinion" as such, I assume that you don't ever operate a motor vehicle..." Hunh? What? Put the bong down, it's effect, has affected your attempt at written clarity. Which opinion are you referring to?
"Unfortunately, the physiology of the human body would also be in disagreement with your "opinion"; as well as the "tons of research out there" you referred to..." So you disagree with my opinion. I get that. I see nothing in what you posted above, that makes you right, and myself wrong. Tons of research on the effects and affects of mj are "out there". Not my problem if you won't do the work.
And finally, you ought to visit and explore that link I put up about LEAP. Those cops, and judges, and other legal professionals, are bucking the trend, because they know, history is repeating itself.
gatorhippy
· 8 months ago
Stepped in what?
Your stubborness and ignoration in denial of the very research and scientific evidence and truthful fact confirmed by it?
All substances run their course, have a measurable lifespan of intoxicating effects along with residual effects...
This is the chemistry and physiological science fo the body and there is no disputing it...
My point being that under your reasoning of opinion (which isn't really an "opinion" but a false "fact") that no matter how long ago you smoked your last joint or consumed your last drop of alcohol you would be 'under the influence' and thus should not be operating a motor vehicle...
Which is certainly not the case and is why legislators based BAL legal limits on it's concentration in blood rather than urine or hair...
Alcohol, like any other substance, leaves trace amounts in urine for hours, days, possibly even weeks depending on the amount consumed and an individual's metabolism and in hair for the rough parameters I informed you of above...
There is no disagreeing with this unless you disagree with the laws of nature, physiology, and organic chemistry...
At which point, you might as well disagree that the earth is round and the solar system revolves around the sun...
Now back to our legalization discussion...
The problem with your theory and comparison there, IMO (which this part of the discussion is certainly debateable due to its theoretical ideals), is that legalizing weed won't stop drug cartel due to the large amounts of other illict drugs there would still be a market for such as cocaine, heroin, psychedelics, OTC pharmaceuticals and other designer type substances abused recreationally...
Even if the US repealed prohibition on all controlled substances, violence linked to the illicit drug trade would still be widespread due the fact that other countries would still hold prohibitions in place against these substances sustaining their black market issues...
As well as that even in a global repeal of such laws in every country spanning the world you're still going to see violence and crime linked directly to drugs in that many of the same issues caused by habitual addicts and abusers will still need cash to get their fix and will rob, steal, maim, pillage, rape and murder to do so...
Even after the repealement of the alcohol prohibition there was and still is to this very day violence linked to the manfuacturing, smuggling and control of the illegal alcohol trade within US borders in places on the county and municipal level that still maintain a prohibition on all alcohol products by rival bootleggers and "moonshiners"...
Do you honestly think that your link was the first time I have ever encountered or been informed of LEAP?
As a matter of fact, there isn't an organization or group that you could mention or put out that I more than likely haven't heard of or come in contact with...
I work the NORML circles and cross network with organizations such as LEAP on a regular basis regionally and nationally in efforts to reform the very laws we are discussing right now as well as have discussed and debated the principals and theory of the situation...
What I'm seeing from you here is a common trend of misunderstanding and blind, misinformed opinionation born form ignorance of the subject matter at hand that is common throughtout our society regarding this paticular topic...
Mr2Bits
· 8 months ago
I’m not following where the story about USC and their team juicing turned to Percy smoking weed and that stories minusculity. How about you stay focused on the body of the story and not the end jab? You’re starting to sound like a stoner with all your ranting and lack of direction.
OU_Ron
· 8 months ago
Deleted Never mind, I found out who Mary Jane is.......or I should say what is..
Bama_Babe
· 8 months ago
Mary Jane = Marijuana
Wow, just think if something like this happened, at say, Alabama? Actually, I don't want to think about that.
But since it's at USC, I'm with Porcine on this one...
WarEagleFan
· 8 months ago
Don't worry BB cocaine is the DOC in T-town...lol
TigerEducated
· 8 months ago
B_B,
Surely your memory isn't so fleeting as to have forgotten former Alabama Linebacker/Crack Dealer Jimmy Johns, is it?
Perhaps you & Mary Jane know each other more than you are letting on?
:)
Cobia
· 8 months ago
Hahahahahaha. TigerEducated, your probably the funniest person on this site.
Bama_Babe
· 8 months ago
Hahahahahaha. Cobia, why didn't you ever reply to me on the other thread??
Hmmm...surely you didn't let a girl who knows nothing about football shut you up..??
Bama_Babe
· 8 months ago
I was talking about the steriods, TE.
The drugs JJ was selling didn't enhance his football career - they ended it.
If "performance enhancing substances" were used by Bama players at the combine, the NCAA would test every player on this campus and it would cause a HUGE deal. And some - especially you - would be calling for the Death Penalty.
At USC, oh, it's no big deal.
OU_Ron
· 8 months ago
Linebackers Brian Cushing & Clay Matthews, it seems, tested positive for a "performance enhancing substance"
Probably Viagra, huh......
TampaGator
· 8 months ago
Sayeth Percy:
"...I'm feel'n the neeeeed...
.....the need for weeeeeeed!..."
GO GATORS!!
gatorhippy
· 8 months ago
Percy probably needs the weed...
Remember how much of a "hothead" he was in HS...
The Hogtown Dank will make all of that disappear...
Perhaps he can get medical waiver if he lands in San Diego, Oakland or San Fran...
Ramblin' Gator
· 8 months ago
Good point. Percy was a bit of a head-case in high school. I wasn't sure he'd last more than a year in G-ville. Maybe the demon weed helps keep his demons down.
For Percy, I'm more worried about him reportedly scoring a 12 on his Wonderlic test.
Clemson_Joe
· 8 months ago
I took the Wonderlic a few years ago, and that test is an absolute cakewalk. It amazes me, and gives me some serious perspective into the mentality of these guys, when they finish the test with a 12. Well, at least by scoring above a 10, we can assume that he is literate, but just barely.
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 8 months ago
LMAO--Medicinal marijuana state...
TampaGator
· 8 months ago
GH:
Exactly. When it comes to doobage--as with alcohol--the problem lies with those who mis-use or abuse the stuff, or use it in such a way that it compromises their functionality.
Just like it's one thing to sip on a scotch or drink a few beers at a casual pace, while it's quite another to line up tequila shots, and shotgun multiple beers....
...there is also quite a difference between taking the occassional toke versus becoming a slave to the stuff. Two cases in point to illustrate:
Warren Sapp; Ricky Williams. Sapp'y remained functional; Ricky did not.
Hopefully Percy will be more like with Sapp than Wms.
That guy takes steroids? Knock me over with a feather.
For what it's worth, you can probably say the same thing about a couple dozen players on every top college football team.
OU_Ron
· 8 months ago
Sure glad OU is near the bottom....
Diggs_the_Mountie
· 8 months ago
Ah hahahahahah. Bitch tits.
Mr2Bits
· 8 months ago
Dude needs a sports bra at practice. Those things could land him in happy birthday hat nipples weekly.
Zac
· 8 months ago
When you consider the money involved with this program, not to mention the money involved with an NFL contract, doubtless some feel it's worth the risk. What some guys won't do to attract women, money, and glory... Now, some of you may say it's worked rather well over the years. Well, consider Lyle Alzado. If you think for a sec that his steroid use had nothing to do with his untimely demise, you're likely racked on M.J. How many are out there who wound up in the same condition, which we have yet to hear about? That my friends is the price of admission to this club. Yet, sadly, some still think it's worth it. That must be why I got out of sports and studied Chemistry.
abney51
· 8 months ago
This story would've been much more interesting HAD IT BEEN TRUE. Even the NFL claimed this story has no legs:
LA Times defending USC. It does not get much more reliable than that.
1Tomcat
· 8 months ago
Agreed Ben They can neither confirm or deny the allegations of prohibited consumption of performance inhancing substances. Don't believe everything that you read- sources say bla bla bla- what's next ? Alein abductions?Bigfoot sightings? Weekly World News says that Jimmy Hoffa and Elvis have been seen alive and drinking pinacoltas with the Wolfman and John Wayne's ghost
All Comments
If this was an SEC school, they'd be put on probation...
You can test positive for marijuana and not be "under the influence"...
That is certainly not the same as being "under the influence"...
However, it's not...
But you are...
So I'm fostering the discussion with you...
As well as...
Our disagreement stems more from the difference of being "under the influence" and traces of THC showing up in a drug test rather than Harvin and his drug use...
You're right about Percy not being obligated to the NFL, at this time. But it is an indicator that may well affect how high he gets picked in the draft, and consequently, his future salary. It won't do him any good while looking for endorsements either.
By the way, I'm for the legalization of weed. I've tried it in my past, don't have any desire for it these days.
Steroids are taken in cycles and require a weekly dose to continue to gain the desired effect during training...
In my experience as a collegiate athlete, I knew guys that would cycle through the spring and summer then drop their regiment as the season approached...
Upon ceasing their consumption they wouldn't see the same substantial gains for obvious reasons...
However, they wouldn't test positive given that their use had ceased and the type & dosages they were using...
As well as, that while steroids DO enhance performance through quicker gains in strength and conditioning; their benefits lie in the long term goal and would provide no beneficial edge in dropping a cycle an hour before starting a competition (READ: the combine for the benefit of our conversation)...
Steroids, depending on the type, can be detected long after their actual effects discontinue to affect the gains achieved when they have ceased to be used...
So in reference to those discussed above in particular it would depend largely as to when they were taken as to whether the athlete was actually "under the influence" of steroids when testing positive; similiar to weed...
On the other hand...
PEDs such as pain killers, stimulants and sedatives are taken for their immediate effect within short time and are specifically taken to pain, reduce reaction time, increase alertness, decrease heart rate, anxiety & nervousness, etc. respectively at the point of competiton...
The "performance enhancing" quality in these lie in the point of competititive performance rather than training (usually though there are exceptions) and require the user to actually be "under the influence" of them to benefit from their properties in competitive performance...
Blood Doping or "stacking" also falls into this category though not technically a "drug"...
As far as Percy and his NFL draft status goes...
The kid was already looking at mid-first round due to what seems to be his fragileness and perpencity for missing games...
The low Wonderlic score pushed him to the bottom of the first...
From what I've seen now, many are predicting very late first round to anywhere in the second depending on the team and needs due to this latest development...
There are some pain killers like ibuprofen that can actually trigger a false positive for THC; though even with his dinged up ankle I seriously would doubt that's the case...
More interesting to me is exactly which drug screen did it appear in...
Urine is a reliable but is more apt to catch heavy/frequent users or those sporting large amounts of fatty tissue...
The occasional user (weekly to monthly) often will only resgister by urine within a day or two of smoking unless they are carrying large amounts of body fat for the THC to cling to and obviously Harvin isn't a chubby guy...
Hair testing can detect it longer but there are limitations as to how far back it will actually show depending on the length of the hair but can be sampled from any area of the body with the exception of the "Special Purpose' zone...
The general standard is something like an inch and a half gives roughly around three months of history...
Harvin doesn't have headful of lengthy locks nor does he appear to be a particularly wooly guy in terms of body hair...
Blood testing can show use as well, but would be more of a determinant of extremely recent smoking (within hours) though heavy users can show traces in the blood for days even though they may have abstained over that time and a positive here for Harvin would certainly support your earlier generalization and the topic of our conversation (which, for the record, I am in know way claiming that PH didn't toke a huge blunt right before the combine)...
The NFL conducts screens of all three types...
Legalization?
While it all sounds terrific, it would be a cluster f*ck on the national level because of the amount of personal interest gains sought by those leading us federally....
Many claim the taxation and produced income would/could be used to support schools, etc. and done the correct way it possibly could...
But this is the US and if anybody can find a way to turn a buck and screw the actual people it was supposed to help it's Americans...
However, decriminalization, IMHO, would aid in removing the "gateway" propensity of it in the progression of illicit drug use and experimentation...
As to legalization, we already have a real clusterfu--erazation. The drug gangs are out of control south of the border, and that action is moving north. Let pharmacies or liquor stores sell the crap, I say.
http://www.leap.cc/cms/index.php
However, since you hold your "opinion" as such, I assume that you don't ever operate a motor vehicle...
FYI - Legalization of weed won't stop the violence of the drug trade...
There is still plenty of other substances to be fought over for control of the trade...
"FYI - Legalization of weed won't stop the violence of the drug trade..."
You are wrong. American mobsters quit killing one another over alcohol, when the prohibition of alcohol was repealed. Repeal and re-legalization of alcohol, eliminated the gangsters profit motive in the trade.
"However, since you hold your "opinion" as such, I assume that you don't ever operate a motor vehicle..."
Hunh? What? Put the bong down, it's effect, has affected your attempt at written clarity. Which opinion are you referring to?
"Unfortunately, the physiology of the human body would also be in disagreement with your "opinion"; as well as the "tons of research out there" you referred to..."
So you disagree with my opinion. I get that. I see nothing in what you posted above, that makes you right, and myself wrong. Tons of research on the effects and affects of mj are "out there". Not my problem if you won't do the work.
And finally, you ought to visit and explore that link I put up about LEAP. Those cops, and judges, and other legal professionals, are bucking the trend, because they know, history is repeating itself.
Your stubborness and ignoration in denial of the very research and scientific evidence and truthful fact confirmed by it?
All substances run their course, have a measurable lifespan of intoxicating effects along with residual effects...
This is the chemistry and physiological science fo the body and there is no disputing it...
My point being that under your reasoning of opinion (which isn't really an "opinion" but a false "fact") that no matter how long ago you smoked your last joint or consumed your last drop of alcohol you would be 'under the influence' and thus should not be operating a motor vehicle...
Which is certainly not the case and is why legislators based BAL legal limits on it's concentration in blood rather than urine or hair...
Alcohol, like any other substance, leaves trace amounts in urine for hours, days, possibly even weeks depending on the amount consumed and an individual's metabolism and in hair for the rough parameters I informed you of above...
There is no disagreeing with this unless you disagree with the laws of nature, physiology, and organic chemistry...
At which point, you might as well disagree that the earth is round and the solar system revolves around the sun...
Now back to our legalization discussion...
The problem with your theory and comparison there, IMO (which this part of the discussion is certainly debateable due to its theoretical ideals), is that legalizing weed won't stop drug cartel due to the large amounts of other illict drugs there would still be a market for such as cocaine, heroin, psychedelics, OTC pharmaceuticals and other designer type substances abused recreationally...
Even if the US repealed prohibition on all controlled substances, violence linked to the illicit drug trade would still be widespread due the fact that other countries would still hold prohibitions in place against these substances sustaining their black market issues...
As well as that even in a global repeal of such laws in every country spanning the world you're still going to see violence and crime linked directly to drugs in that many of the same issues caused by habitual addicts and abusers will still need cash to get their fix and will rob, steal, maim, pillage, rape and murder to do so...
Even after the repealement of the alcohol prohibition there was and still is to this very day violence linked to the manfuacturing, smuggling and control of the illegal alcohol trade within US borders in places on the county and municipal level that still maintain a prohibition on all alcohol products by rival bootleggers and "moonshiners"...
Do you honestly think that your link was the first time I have ever encountered or been informed of LEAP?
As a matter of fact, there isn't an organization or group that you could mention or put out that I more than likely haven't heard of or come in contact with...
I work the NORML circles and cross network with organizations such as LEAP on a regular basis regionally and nationally in efforts to reform the very laws we are discussing right now as well as have discussed and debated the principals and theory of the situation...
What I'm seeing from you here is a common trend of misunderstanding and blind, misinformed opinionation born form ignorance of the subject matter at hand that is common throughtout our society regarding this paticular topic...
Never mind, I found out who Mary Jane is.......or I should say what is..
Wow, just think if something like this happened, at say, Alabama?
Actually, I don't want to think about that.
But since it's at USC, I'm with Porcine on this one...
Surely your memory isn't so fleeting as to have forgotten former Alabama Linebacker/Crack Dealer Jimmy Johns, is it?
Perhaps you & Mary Jane know each other more than you are letting on?
:)
Hmmm...surely you didn't let a girl who knows nothing about football shut you up..??
The drugs JJ was selling didn't enhance his football career - they ended it.
If "performance enhancing substances" were used by Bama players at the combine, the NCAA would test every player on this campus and it would cause a HUGE deal. And some - especially you - would be calling for the Death Penalty.
At USC, oh, it's no big deal.
Probably Viagra, huh......
"...I'm feel'n the neeeeed...
.....the need for weeeeeeed!..."
GO GATORS!!
Remember how much of a "hothead" he was in HS...
The Hogtown Dank will make all of that disappear...
Perhaps he can get medical waiver if he lands in San Diego, Oakland or San Fran...
For Percy, I'm more worried about him reportedly scoring a 12 on his Wonderlic test.
Exactly. When it comes to doobage--as with alcohol--the problem lies with those who mis-use or abuse the stuff, or use it in such a way that it compromises their functionality.
Just like it's one thing to sip on a scotch or drink a few beers at a casual pace, while it's quite another to line up tequila shots, and shotgun multiple beers....
...there is also quite a difference between taking the occassional toke versus becoming a slave to the stuff. Two cases in point to illustrate:
Warren Sapp; Ricky Williams. Sapp'y remained functional; Ricky did not.
Hopefully Percy will be more like with Sapp than Wms.
GO GATORS!!
That guy takes steroids? Knock me over with a feather.
For what it's worth, you can probably say the same thing about a couple dozen players on every top college football team.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/200...
Folks are so quick to hate on us Trojans...
Weekly World News says that Jimmy Hoffa and Elvis have been seen alive and drinking pinacoltas with the Wolfman and John Wayne's ghost