DISQUS

Lennie Collins · 1 year ago

Texas A&M closing in!

Lennie Collins · 1 year ago

How has the most lopside victories on the list?

Lennie Collins · 1 year ago

Who has the most lopsided victories on the list?

Bevo_Boy · 1 year ago

You know that you can edit posts, don't you? You don't have to make a new one.

Lennie Collins · 1 year ago

I tried BUT I don't know how!

Mars · 1 year ago

This list is a piece of crap. Without BYU-Utah the author proves he doesn't know jack about college football.

OU_Ron · 1 year ago

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JB · 1 year ago

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shiguy · 1 year ago

#10) also the fact that Jopa will not allow penn st. to play pitt again unless pitt gives into unrealistic demands. they had a weekend open for next season which both teams needed to schedule another team and both teams had the same weekend available. pitt asked penn st about playing that weekend with another game that would be schedule for the next year or the year after. jopa said no unless penn st. could collect something rediculous like half the ticket sales for the pitt home game and all the television revenue from both games. common are you serious? jopa needs to go.

dithridge · 1 year ago

Jopa thinks he is bigger than the rivalry.

Bevo_Boy · 1 year ago

Well, JoePa might not be, but I'm pretty sure that Charlie Weiss is.

Zac · 1 year ago

Joe Pa has a long memory. It gets back to his Lions being snubbed by the Big East at the insistence of Pitt's commissioner, et. al. Now, all of a sudden, Pitt & the Big East are interested in Penn St. Silly as it is, I can't really blame him for playing the "How do ya like me now?" card. But you are right: Penn St will not renew the rivalry with Pitt until after Joe Pa is gone.

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

What's a "Jopa"?

OU_Ron · 1 year ago

GH, isn't that one of those 3 ft tall Rabbits that you can find in west Texas...

JB · 1 year ago

Ya, one of those ate my dog

PittsburghTiger · 1 year ago

A JoPa is a senile old man who holds a grudge, and who also can't control his temper or his bowels.

Ethanator1088 · 1 year ago

Thank you so much for putting the real Number 1 in the Number 1 slot. I can not tell you how happy that makes me. I can only express it with this :-)

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 1 year ago

You're welcome, but really it just boils down to another SEC conspiracy...

shiguy · 1 year ago

not really i would agree on the number 1 despite view that SEC fans are more bias than almost any other conference. in this case it is correct though. there really isn't any other two schools (in the same state) that have met as consistently AND had a rivalry that wasn't one sided.

bevo · 1 year ago

This list should have stopped at 5. Oklahoma - Oklahoma State (aka Bedlam Series) is annoying game for the Sooner faithful and is THE game for the (slow) Pokes. Same story with Michigan and Michigan State. Thankfully you did not include dopey in-state games, Iowa - Iowa State and Colorado - Colorado State.

shiguy · 1 year ago

that's because colorado and colorado state did not play regularly until they were forced to. very similar now to the situation with WVU and marshal. though i think marshal still has a way to go.

Joe · 1 year ago

Why would the rivalry that is called "clean old fashioned hate" (GA-GT) not get a 5 in the category that is defined as "good old fashioned hate"?

Even though GA has a streak going, it has been close most of the past few years. (31-17, but it was 23-17 until a 4th quarter score in 2007, 15-12 in 2006, 14-7 in 2005, 19-13 in 2004.)

But back to the hate, most GT grads consider a UGA degree to be nothing better than going to high school again.

Ramblin' Gator · 1 year ago

You can find a fresh roll of UGA diplomas in most any public men's room.

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 1 year ago

That's why I keep my car windows rolled up when driving in Athens--they're always throwing them at you...

I better stop... Good to see you again, RG. Did they have you travelling to another country without internet?

Ramblin' Gator · 1 year ago

Close. I took my family to Yosemite so we had little or no network connection for the last week.

Good blog topic, BTW.

shiguy · 1 year ago

i had to give my car a wash. they were stuck all over my winshield and mudflaps from driving through GA for both the sugar and gator bowl. LOL

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 1 year ago

Because I had to reward them for lending me that title...

Bitterness scored a four because you Techsters have your heads hanging really low here lately. You force me to remind you that you've lost 14 out of the last 17--that's why.

jake · 1 year ago

Michigan State and Texas-A&M are very similar in regards to the record of their intrastate rivalries. Both have a strong in-state fan base, a good quantity of funds, and a consistent struggle to be competitive against the state's big dog. I can't speak for A&M but MSU will begin to be far more competitive within this rivalry and the Big 10. MSU has always had the talent - usually pulling from talent-rich Flint, Detroit, and Chicago - but never had discipline. That is basis of Dantonio's scheme. Also, MSU is a program that will provide all the resources Dantonio would want, thus lowering any temptation to later jump ship to other "more prestigious programs." I wouldn't be surprised if MSU took the next 2 or 3 from the Wolverines due to UofM's transitional instability.

jake · 1 year ago

Michigan State and Texas-A&M are very similar in regards to the record of their intrastate rivalries. Both have a strong in-state fan base, a good quantity of funds, and a consistent struggle to be competitive against the state's big dog. I can't speak for A&M but MSU will begin to be far more competitive within this rivalry and the Big 10. MSU has always had the talent - usually pulling from talent-rich Flint, Detroit, and Chicago - but never had discipline. That is basis of Dantonio's scheme. Also, MSU is a program that will provide all the resources Dantonio would want, thus lowering any temptation to later jump ship to other "more prestigious programs." I wouldn't be surprised if MSU took the next 2 or 3 from the Wolverines due to UofM's transitional instability.

jake · 1 year ago

On a side note, there was talk around a 2 years ago about moving all Wayne State University (Detroit, D2) athletics up to D1. Considering the recent growth of the school and its location, many expected it to aim high - like eventually joining, say, Conf USA or the Big East (much like USF). Unfortunately, the auto industry makes and breaks the MI economy and, therefore, the MI state government drastically cut costs in response to economic downturns. Surprisingly, education took a major cut as well and Wayne State unfairly took cuts in its athletic department - unlike many other MI state universities. This of course destroyed any hopes of becoming D1-competitive in the near future and it eliminated the varsity men's hockey team.

It's too bad because Wayne likely would have developed into a football competitor and likely some sort of intrastate rivalry with MSU or UM would have eventually begun.

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 1 year ago

Yea, in like 70 years, Jake. The big boys don't just instantly give them a shot because they share a state. First, Wayne State has to make the jump, then they have to spend a few decades proving themselves in another conference. Finally, one,(but not both) of the big duo will give them a shot, but they'll have to endure additional decades of beatings before they earn any measure of respect. Then maybe, just maybe, it might turn into a true rivalry one day.

Okay, make that 100 years...

Actually, most rivalries today owe a great deal to the fact that they were simply the only game in town (literally AND figuratively) at the very beginning...

jake · 1 year ago

Fair enough. You can just imagine, however, the hype within the state when these rumors went around.

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 1 year ago

The good news is that in a few decades, there will be considerably more rivalries around than we have now. As parity in all divisions of CFB increases and more teams sprout and blossom, it's simply inevitable.

Neither Auburn nor Alabama have yet played scrappy little Troy, which is down the road from Auburn. I like Troy, and they seem to be slowly proving themselves by playing some big name programs and hanging with them for a few quarters.

I'd like to see us play them one day, but I understand why we don't. When you're a big dog, you throw a few bones out to the puppies sparingly. It's akin to the US not throwing a ticker-tape parade when the ambassador to Zimbabwe comes calling...

shiguy · 1 year ago

i don't know about that. i think they should look at eastern, western, or hell even central michigan before they think they would have a chance. all those teams are legit football programs but none of them can really claim to have any sort of realistic rivalry against the other two. sure they might get a win here and there but nothing consistent.

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 1 year ago

That's really magnaminous talk coming from a West Virginia fan. When are you guys going to give Marshall a chance? I mean, you've only played them three times since the Hoover administration...

shiguy · 1 year ago

maybe when they get a bigger stadium. there is a reason why we won't go down there. when you go from a stadium that holds 60,000+ to a 35,000.....ya that sucks. i was there last year and it was horrible. they have to give pass outs for the game because the area under the stadium is not large enough to hold everyone. hell most the concession stands were OUTSIDE the stadium. most the WVU fans that went bought season passes to marshall because it was easier and CHEAPER than trying to find a ticket to the game. gee i wonder why marshall had their highest season ticket sales ever last year????

JB · 1 year ago

I hate going to schools with small stadiums...it isnt any fun...however i sort of consider 60,000 a small stadium...lol

shiguy · 1 year ago

well the record attendance is around 73,000 but that was back when we had standing room on the one endzone. trust me this has been an issue for some time now with the fans wanting larger and not just more "white collar" seats as they have been adding for like the last 3 years. granted they are also the big donors as well but i think when you're selling out games against opponents like western michigan and eastern washington university (sad to admit that one from 2 years ago) it's time to think about actually expanding for volume, like maybe wrap the upper deck around one endzone??????

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

Utah-BYU

Competitiveness, taken as a whole 3, last 20 years 5: 4.
Duration, 100+ games: 5
Historical Significance: BYU 1984, Utah 2004: 2
What's at stake, no BCS imlications, so not 5: 4
Bitterness: 5

4-5-2-4-5 = 20

Top 6 by your standards

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 1 year ago

I scored them at 14... 5-4-1-2-2 Bitterness is the X factor. Living in the east, I don't hear too much hate for that rivalry, but admittingly, I don't have any ties to the state.

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

This rivalry is called the Holy War for a reason. Th hate each other in all sports.

The conference championship is always expected to come down to there meeting, the conference championship is usually on the line in this game.

I looked it up, the series is only 83 games long, excluding 6 games in the 1800's that BYU does not recognize

5-4-1-4-5 I could live with, 19 top 8 and a palandrome.

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 1 year ago

They call it the Holy War because sandy Utah is reminiscent of Israel and the rest of the middle east...

:-)

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

Sandy Utah is suburb in the south side of Salt Lake City.

Just visit the link to the BYU-Utah rivalry provided above. I might be responsible for the note on the Irony this rivalry exhibits.

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

P.S.

Bench clearing Brawls in three different sports, one of which cleared the stands signifies, in my book, a large bitterness factor.

UofMSnowboarder · 1 year ago

Who'd have thought mormons could get so riled up?

Dycacian · 1 year ago

I have to agree. I lived in Utah for 13 years. I was an avid Utah State fan, before moving to Alabama, and becoming an Auburn Alumni/Rabid fan. I followed USU, Utah, and BYU very closely, and it was a very bitter rivalry. Hell, they all hated each other, but BYU and Utah definitely had more national significance. I wouldn't say it was as bitter as Auburn Alabama, but it was pretty close.

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

I would rate the Rivalries with Utah State a 2, maybe a 3.

Acts of vandalism, say painting the large concrete block letters behind each of these schools your schools colors has to count for something.

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 1 year ago

Yes, it increases the counts of misdemeanor charges against those little sh*ts...

jefe · 1 year ago

Prather is right. The Utah-BYUProvo rivalry is a 5-4-1-4-5 or a 5-4-1-3-5. For much of the rivalry's history, either Utah or Provo was the dominant team. Since the early 90s, much more has been at stake. So maybe "what's at stake" should just be a 3 instead of a 4. Having been mocked throughout elementary school by BYU fans in Salt Lake City (BYU was dominant in the 80s), I can attest to the score of 5 in the bitterness category.

chris franks · 1 year ago

I got the west coast bias so i would take the apple cup, pitting Washington v Washington State over notre dame v purdue. Did you get a chance to break that rivalry down?

JB · 1 year ago

Yep.....umm done and we are still looking for the football teams

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

Not wanting you to get heady or anything...

But your post made USA Today, WE Atl...

Grats...

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 1 year ago

Thanks, GH. You know, I'm totally going to let that go to my head for the day...

Bevo_Boy · 1 year ago

Just one day? Gosh, I must be a jerk then, I had a bet with a friend about who would shoot in the 30s in a golf match first. I won it in April and I still give him a hard time about it. Congrats, by the way.

1Tomcat · 1 year ago

Congrats WEA excellent

GeauxTigers0107 · 1 year ago

Mad props to ya WEA. Enjoyed the write up too.

Geaux Tigers
Geaux SEC

"BC" · 1 year ago

damn dude! thats awesome.

maybe you should be a sports writer......

Zac · 1 year ago

I wanna copy!!!

PittsburghTiger · 1 year ago

I think you should give the Pitt - Penn State game at least one more point on the Bitterness scale. I know the Pitt fans still just flat out hate them. The State Pen folks like to say that they have moved on and that Pitt means nothing to them. But then they can't get away from the Pitt message boards and telling Pitt folks how much they don't care about Pitt.

I can tell you this. The most vicious crowd I have ever been in was a night game at Pitt Stadium for a State Pen game. The student section was not a pretty place and you didn't wear a State Pen shirt and walk up and down the steps screaming "we are..."

dithridge · 1 year ago

I have to agree with you...I run into Penn State fans all the time that will go on and on about how they don't care about Pitt.

Also, I enjoyed your description of the scene at the Penn State game at Pitt Stadium.

Jeff · 1 year ago

I'm sorry but this list isn't very strong. No Arizona State-Arizona or BYU-Utah shows the bias towards the east. OSU-Oklahoma? That's not even Oklahoma's biggest rivalry. Same goes for MSU-Michigan. Penn State and Pitt don't even play each other anymore. The two rivalries I mentioned are top ten, easy, and they didn't even make a list with rivalries this weak. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE turn on a game featuring teams west of the Rockies. You migh be surprised.

jake · 1 year ago

I can't speak much for the west, but I grew up in Michigan. Trust me, MSU/UM fans hate each other. Maybe not like down south but, for as much as I follow college sports, I'd say it's on the of fiercest intrastate rivalries in the nation.

Plus, I do know that UA and ASU hate each other but they both suck at football (until recently with ASU).

Zac · 1 year ago

So, ye who be on a fast track to the Pulitzer, riddle me this. How is it UCLA/USC isn't a bigger rival than AL/Auburn? It wouldn't have anything to do with Auburn being your alma mater, could it, hmmm?

Bevo_Boy · 1 year ago

Hey, Texas/TAMU is bigger than USC/UCLA.

1Tomcat · 1 year ago

Hey everybody knows.
BTW the Aggies have won two in a row 06, 07 before that was 99 I think.

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 1 year ago

No, Zac, because Alabama AD Mal Moore was the one who paid me to write this....

Did I not lay out my case? Give me specific points and I will respond...

Zac · 1 year ago

We need to find Spartacus, aka Tommy Trojan, to weave his statistical magic, and either confirm or deny your claims above. Me, I only minored in math, and that's a stretch.

U.of S.C.1978 · 1 year ago

WTG WEA! I enjoy posting comments to that paper's stories. They usually pull a story from the site in reaction to my more liberal comments, lol.

Rolltide932 · 1 year ago

Very good article. War Eagle Atlanta speaks the truth...I was wrapped in an Alabama blanket when I was born. Great rivalry and a lot of fun. A little lopsided in recent years though...can't wait for that to change
Roll Tide
p.s War Eagle Atlanta not all Bama fans are in denial...especially when it comes to National Championships but trust me until our unofficial or official 12 national championships are taken away..they stay in our arsenal
The Nation Championship article spoke well enough for itself without the jab at Bama fans

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 1 year ago

Thank you, but that subject is usually the mirror that Alabama fans can't look into. No one is coming to take them away. The NCAA never has governed MNCs, and there's no way they will wade into the fracus decades after the fact.

Historical MNCs are on the honor system, and unfortunately, some teams have broken the trust of CFB, IMHO.

Zac · 1 year ago

Does anyone have any theories as to why AS/AS St & NC/NC St never became rabid rivalries in football. NC/NC St is certainly a rabid rivalry in BB, but even AS & AS St don't seem to consider the other visitor that big a deal. In all fairness, it could just be my perception, but you don't usually hear people talking about either as with those who discuss MI/MI St, or even BYU/Utah. It's almost as if you had two tennis partners pick up a warm-up game with each other; a good time, a good work-out, but hardly any emotion.

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

I'll take "'Cuz They Suck Eggs" for a thousand , Alex...err...Zac...

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 1 year ago

I'll solve the puzzle, Pat...

B_ACA_S_ TH_Y ALL S_CK!!

Lennie Collins · 1 year ago

Arizona and Arizona State...Pacific Ten! North Carolina 's#1 rival is Duke and North Carolina State's #1 is Wake Forest. I know the name North Carolina and North Carolina State confused me BUT North Carolina(Chapel Hill) is closer to Duke(Durham) and even though North Carolina State(Raliegh) and Wake Forest(Winston-Salem) is 2 hours from each other Wake Forest University was actually in the city of Wake Forest which is closer to Raleigh. The founders of Wake Forest wanted to get involved in the tobacco industry so they move the university to Winston-Salem. I learned that when I attended a wedding in Wake Forest, North Carolina in 2002.

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 1 year ago

Remember this about the bitterness factor: It's not YOUR bitterness I'm measuring, it's the popular perception of that bitterness by fans everywhere.

Utah and BYU may indeed be a bitter rivalry, but it's not if no one is talking about it. Remember the tree falling alone in the woods? Does it make a sound? Okay, they don't have a lot of trees in southern Utah, so BAD analogy...

Bevo_Boy · 1 year ago

So my bitterness toward TAMU doesn't make a difference? I could just stand (well, actually sit) here and yell (well, maybe just type) "RABBLE, RABBLE" 1000000000000 times and that wouldn't up the bitterness to a 6?

By the way, we have plenty of trees in IN. One fell on my dad's truck one time, and it made a sound...

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

You are talking to the missionaries that come to your door about the wrong topics. They are everywhere.

Bitterness was defined as good old fashioned hate, no further explanation needed. Nothing about national perception of that hatred is mentioned. It is not MY bitterness I am talking about, but the bitterness across the board of the fans in general of these two teams.

Neither schools is in southern Utah. Salt Lake City has plenty of trees owing to the fact that they are one of the most water rich cities in the US, Ironic from the fact Utah receives less rain per square mile than any other state. Most rivers in Utah lead to Salt Lake City.

SirFartsALot · 1 year ago

What about Harvard-Yale? New England's a state, right?

jake · 1 year ago

the rivalry may be more bitter in the debate room

GEngineer · 1 year ago

While the rivalry of UNC and Duke has become nationally recognized in college basketball in the last 25 years, historically UNC's #1 rivalry has been NC State. The close proximity (within 20 miles) to the three schools (UNC, Duke, and NC State) really brings out a hatred across the board. But saying that Wake Forest is NC State's #1 hated rival is completely wrong..... must have heard that from a Wake Forest fan. Ask any Wolfpack fan and they will tell you UNC is their most hated rival, followed by Duke and would likely rank East Carolina ahead of Wake Forest. Based on the ranking system, I'd put the UNC/NC State rivalry at 3-4-2-2-5 = 16 points. I just don't think either of the teams have been nationally significant enough to really focus anyone's attention outside of the state of North Carolina, but the bitterness factor is definitely high.

Lennie Collins · 1 year ago

Actually GEngineer my former sister-in-law ex-husband told me and he is a North Carolina/Wake Forest/Texas fan. Oh I agree with you that North Carolina, North Carolina State, and Duke can claim one another HATED rivals because they are so close. But I asked North Carolina Fans whom I meet who do they consider their #1 rival when in sports and all have said Duke. He also mentioned that is why North Carolina and Wake Forest play each other at the end of the football season because they were bitter rivals before Wake Forest relocated to Winston-Salem and North Carolina State just recently started playing East Carolina because of the closeness of Raliegh and Greensboro. By the way Duke and North Carolina was voted the closest rivals in college sports followed by USC and UCLA. That is in mileage not friendship!

JB · 1 year ago

Are they really closer than the USC and UCLA, i mean they are practically in the same city

Lennie Collins · 1 year ago

Yes, only 8 miles separate Chapel Hill from Durham. They are different cities! USC and UCLA are 10 miles apart. UCLA football ONLY plays in Pasadena, but the universities are both in Los Angeles. I believe they are the only major universities to share a major city.

JB · 1 year ago

Haha yea , i looked up the administrative offices on Mapquest....

1Tomcat · 1 year ago

The Bayou Bucket is the annual game between Houston & Rice its got to be the closest in distance- same city inside the loop
Go Owls

JB · 1 year ago

Hey on MapQuest it has the following distances b/t the administrative offices of the schools

USC/UCLA....15.18 miles
UNC/Duke....12.37 miles
Houston/Rice.....5.68 miles..

so the bayou bucket wins

Geaux owls!!!

Lennie Collins · 1 year ago

JB...Houston & Rice are very close BUT of course they getz no love because they ARE NOT powerhouses in football or basketball! Houston is a beautiful and underrated city. My favorite city in Texas!

1Tomcat · 1 year ago

Hey Lennie Houston has new head coach Kevin Sumlin former Offensive Coordinator at OU & Texas A&M. First African American Div-1A head coach in the state of Texas. They play the OK State Cowboys on Sept 6 at Stillwater. Houston might not be a powerhouse but theyve done extremely well over the last several years.

Lennie Collins · 1 year ago

I am shocked that you did not make a negative comment about him having ties with Oklahoma! I hope that Houston can get back to a level to compete with Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Texas Tech, etc. I doubt very much they will return to the glory days of Jack Pardee!

Lennie Collins · 1 year ago

It's good to see Houston & Rice will close the regular season together. Hopefully SMU & TCU will follow. Teams shold play their instate rivals last game of the regular season!

JB · 1 year ago

OU_Ron · 1 year ago

JB, well said

JB · 1 year ago

thank you, i put alot of time into it

JB · 1 year ago

USC and UCLA are 15.18 miles apart and Duke and UNC are 12.7 miles apart so you are right

Lennie Collins · 1 year ago

No I am not right because I thought they were USC & UCLA 10 miles and UNC & Duke 8. But ESPN voted those the top 2 closest rivals. Tarheels and Blue Devils were #1 in distance.

JB · 1 year ago

Well you said Chapel Hill and Durham....that is the city limits....the schools themselves are about 12 miles apart and USC/UCLA are about 15, according to Mapquest

JB · 1 year ago

What about the Battle for the Tiger Rag......LSU and Tulane....(sarcasm)

Lennie Collins · 1 year ago

JB...it could be. A rival is what those teams fan base decide! Do not let someone from the outside tell you how to think. In other words I love the Oklahoma and Oklahoma State rivalry although it's in Oklahoma's favor BUT whom am I to say New Mexico and New Mexico State OR UNLV and Nevada isn't a rivalry because it's not as intense! How do you measure intensity anyways? By scale, cup, ruler?

JB · 1 year ago

cup

Lennie Collins · 1 year ago

If that is how you, JB, wants to measure it then go right ahead! I think it's how the fans say it is. If Colorado and Colorado State fans say that the rivalry is heated THEN I will take their wordz on it BUT I am not going to say no it's not like Alabama and Auburn! Who am I to say what is heated or not heated. JB, if you say Tulane and LSU is a heated rivalry then I 'm gone take your wordz, doggone it!

JB · 1 year ago

Haha it isnt it was good at one time ..like the 60s but now it is a mutual understanding of domination

GEngineer · 1 year ago

Lennie..... I'm not doubting that most UNC fans will probably say that their most hated rival is Duke (has a lot to do with Duke's success versus UNC in basketball for the past 20 years). However, historically UNC and NC State and Duke for that fact have always hated each other and will continue to hate each other. Nationally, however, Duke and UNC is portrayed as the big rivalry. In North Carolina, you will find more of a uniform hatred among the three schools.

In college football it has become the norm to have the big rivalry games at the end of the year and UNC and NC State have tried to schedule it that way, but Duke knows that the UNC game is their Super Bowl and have lobbied the ACC to continue to have that game at the end of their season. With the ACC scheduling, Duke and NC State only play twice every five years so that rivalry is cooled somewhat in terms of football. In football terms, just due to the shear size of the fanbases, the NC State/UNC is the big game every year in the state of NC. By the way, NC State and Wake Forest don't even play their games at the end of the season, what you would expect if their rivalry was so big.

Just to clear up some of your mistakes...... Wake Forest moved to Winston-Salem because the tobacco owners in the Winston-Salem area wanted a good education for their kids, so they paid off Wake Forest to move the university there. East Carolina is in Greenville, not Greensboro and neither city is that close to Raleigh. East Carolina and NC State have historically played one another and the hatred is there, but the series ended due to a major issue (which obviously adds to the rivalry factor). Recently, the UNC Board of Governors have forcefully renewed the series at the objections of NC State (again, just adds to the rivalry factor). And if you were to map the closest three Division I-A schools to one another, it will end up being UNC, Duke and NC State. So, just because UNC and Duke are slightly closer to one another in mileage relative to NC State doesn't mean that all three aren't in each other's backyard.

Lennie Collins · 1 year ago

I admit I don't know all the facts when it comes to North Carolina, North Carolina State, Wake Forest, and Duke rivalries. I don't even know the cities in North Carolina BUT I knew where East Carolina plays had GREEN in it! I knew Wake Forest University was actually in the city of Wake Forest, North Carolina. And yes bloggers Wake Forest is a city built in a forest. I knew the tobacco business had a hand in getting it down to Winston-Salem. The degree I was told different. I agree with your post. Why politicians try to get teams to play, I don't know. I know that in football these rivalries exists!

Clemson_Joe · 1 year ago

Not giving Clemson vs. S. Carolina a 5 on the bitterness scale is a farce. Unfortunately we have at least 1 homicide every year due to that game. How many rivalries can say that?

I'm not saying that is a good thing, I am just saying it's a real thing.

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

That's not bitterness...

That's ignorance & stupidity...

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 1 year ago

It's neither. It's simply a South Carolina Saturday night...

Clemson_Joe · 1 year ago

That doesn't make a bit of sense to me. So, you're trying to say that in SC we have a homicide every Saturday night due to a game? Please explain what your point is before I retort.

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 1 year ago

I was thinking that your claim of serving up one homicide per contest didn't make sense, either, Joe.

I can see that my attempt to out-ridiculous you was for naught.

Clemson_Joe · 1 year ago

Well for the last 3 years, there has been 1 murder in the state that has been attributed to fights/arguments immediately following the annual football game. So, yes, one homicide related to the game per game, for the last 3 years. Does that make sense?

Your statement was ridiculous though, I'll give you that.

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 1 year ago

Well, I guess you have to brag about something since there's usually nothing else riding on that game...

You didn't qualify your statement above with for the last three years, you said every year.

That would make my claim of a weekly homicide falling somewhere inside the state significantly more accurate than your statement attributing a homicide to the game every year.

It was a joke to begin with. Jesus...

Clemson_Joe · 1 year ago

I wasn't talking about what is riding on it. I'm not delusional. It's almost always only about bragging rights. My only challenge was about the score you gave for bitterness. Bitterness is one thing that is certainly not absent from that game.

There have probably been more homicides relating to the game extending far beyond the last 3 years. However, this past year, one of the local news stations brought up the story beginning with "for the third year in a row...". I can remember events like this occurring all the way back through my childhood as well. It's not something I'm proud of at all, as I'm sure no one would claim to be. It's just an illustration of how bitter the rivalry really is.

We discontinued our annual game with Georgia due to the fact that the hatred far outweighed the significance of the game (at the time), and it seems to have done some good in cooling off some of that hatred. However, a break in this rivalry might do more harm than good.

Look, I know it was a joke. In my opinion it was an ill placed joke. Maybe I was a little too sensitive to it, but you were attacking my entire state. So, I felt the need to defend. I apologize if it came off too harshly. My point was only to illustrate how intense that rivalry is. I certainly think that the game outranks Penn State and Pitt, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Overall though, it was a nice post. I will gladly give you that.

Clemson_Joe · 1 year ago

It's all 3, but bitterness is still a major factor there.

All rivalries have their fair share of ignorance and stupidity. The bitterness is what pushes it over the edge.

Zac · 1 year ago

I'll agree with stupidity. Ignorance means you don't know any better, and I'm not buying that.

OU_Ron · 1 year ago

I would say that is very bitter, someone may want to think about canceling that game......and I thought ripping a sack was bad....

Clemson_Joe · 1 year ago

Yes, it is very bad. Most of the really bad fans never set foot in a classroom at either school, but it can be quite dangerous.

TampaGator · 1 year ago

WEA:

...ya' dun made the big time! Congrats! So, can you now claim you've been published?

...are we going to have to pay a subscription fee to read your stuff now?

Quick story: One of my best friends in HS was a 'nole--that is, his family were FSU alumni (he went elswhere). Apparently, his dad didn't know I was partial to the Gators, until I got accepted to UF. One day after my bud informs his dad that I'm going to UF, I go by to pick him up--he literally meets me outside in his front lawn, and tells me (no lie)--you're no longer welcome in this house since you're going to UF (we hung out at each others' houses pretty regularly before). B/t/w: he (the dad) also had Gator cups around the house--as 'pitoons.

We remain friends, but...I thought that was ridiculously immature on his dad's part (I'd certainly never take it that far)--though admittedly, pretty damn funny too.

So go these rivalries.


GO GATORS!!

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 1 year ago

Yes, you will have to pay, TG. As is customary with you, I want $0.02!!

You can put it in my paypal account...

Your retort for your friend's father should have been: did you go there when it was still a girl's school?

PittsburghTiger · 1 year ago

Dithridge.....In 1987, I think, one of our roomies from Bruce Hall did about 12 shots of whiskey leading up to the game and then WHAM it hit him while we were in the stadium.

It was a riot. There was a guy from State Pen walking up the steps with his PSU shirt on screaming things about how Pitt sucked. Some dude knocked him out with one punch. Then the girlfriends got into it....Cat Fight!

I will be bringing a case of Penn Gold to the Auburn - LSU game this year too...Just to lubricate the vocals

Kevin @ Fanblogs · 1 year ago

Here's my bias:

I'm going to say that Florida - FSU ranks higher than FSU - Miami, even if the Noles-Canes was really *the* must see rivalry nationwide in the 1990s. If you ask most Noles to choose a win, they'll pick UF.

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

I gotta agree with that, my Nole compadre...

The "bitterness" factor between FSU/UM isn't really there...

It's much more of a "respectful" rivalry...

Probably more of a 3 in terms of true bitterness...

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 1 year ago

Both rivalries scored a 5 for bitterness, but FSU-UM scored more for the stakes because they're now in the same conference, and historically when they were both independents, there was always at-large bids open for big bowl games for the winner...

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

Ok...

If FSU-Miami has a maximal a maximal bitterness value of 5, there is no question what value the Utah-BYU should be.

1Tomcat · 1 year ago

Has anybody on here ever played a visiting game against Galveston Ball High school ?
I have- BTW Barry Switzer recruited a lot of guys from Galveston Ball- Check it out-facts not jokes
Bitterness factor Arkansas vs Texas on a scale of 1 to 10------11+

Porcine · 1 year ago

Too bad it's gradually going away for the younger ones.

Clemson_Joe · 1 year ago

Just like us and Georgia. It's a shame. Those are 2 rivalries that really should be played year in and year out.

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 1 year ago

There's little room for a tough OOC game when you play an eight game conference schedule, unless it's a historic rivalry. And it's even more difficult when you already have a rivalry with a quality OOC opponent.

Sure, Clemson might want to play Georgia again, but Georgia already has GA Tech, so fitting in another quality opponent for them year-in, year-out is asking a lot. Auburn would like to play GT again, and it would be easy for us since we don't have any current historic rivalries with a OOC opponent, but GT has Georgia, which would give them TWO tough OOC games every year. Fans would love it, but ADs and coaches would question it...

Keep in mind also that they have 12 games to work with these days, but most of these schedules were drawn up when we still had an 11 game schedule...

Clemson_Joe · 1 year ago

That's true, but we are facing 2 SEC teams each year for the next 7 years starting in 2010. I just wish it was always Georgia and South Carolina like it used to be. At least in 2013, and 2014 it will be.

2010: Auburn, South Carolina
2011: Auburn, South Carolina
2012: Vanderbilt, South Carolina
2013: Vanderbilt, Georgia, South Carolina
2014: Georgia, South Carolina
2015: Mississippi, South Carolina
2016: Mississippi, South Carolina

I really don't understand your Georgia argument though. We're in the same boat as they are. We both have a respectable OOC opponent on our schedule every year. So, adding another is rough anyway you look at it, but we're doing it soon enough.

Regan · 1 year ago

Clemson needs to keep scheduling strong; the Tigers have done well in many of these years, but I'd absolutely love to see games against marquee opponents that we don't usually play or have never played.

Here's the BCS-Conference Teams Clemson has never played before:

Big Ten: Indiana, Iowa, Michigan, Michigan State, Northwestern, Purdue, Wisconsin

Big East: Cincinnati, Connecticut, Louisville, South Florida (I believe Clemson played Rutgers prior to 1902, but have no data)

Big 12: Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, Texas

Pac-10: Arizona, Arizona State, Oregon, Oregon State, UCLA, Washington, Washington State

SEC: Arkansas

Let's mix it up some :)

Porcine · 1 year ago

Sounds good.

Regan · 1 year ago

Looks like a good list and good system, WEA.

Personally I'd like for Clemson-South Carolina to get more attention, but it's Carolina's fault for losing continuously and for leaving the ACC, so I'll call it a wash.

I will claim it is the absolute most underrated rivalry in CFB, however, and you really don't want to hear from me on the day that Michigan plays Ohio State if the two games are on the same day as to my crazed hatred of the hype that goes on from Big Ten country as The Battle of the Palmetto State is absolutely ignored by the media.

As recently as 2005 residents of SC had to beg ESPN2 to even show the most important game in our state while we were inundated with the flood of Michigan-Ohio State hype that none of us cared about.

That one will be stuck in my craw for at least a decade to come when it comes to spouting off about my hatred for the biggest over-hyped rivalry since the Hundred Years' War.

Clemson_Joe · 1 year ago

I'm definitely right there with you on that one, Regan.

Bevo_Boy · 1 year ago

Try living in Big Ten Country when that game is about a month away. It was a lot easier to find previews of OSU/UM than the Texas/TAMU game that was going on at the time, and if I remember correctly, there were still 8 days until OSU played UM.

Regan · 1 year ago

It is truly comforting that others feel our pain. Thanks, Bevo. Fortunately for us this year, Clemson plays Carolina on Nov. 29 and Texas plays A&M on Nov. 27; the Hype Day is on the 22nd.

So hopefully everything will run smoothly for both games since Ohio State/Michigan will have been over with already by then.

Otherwise I would say we should organize a Fanblogger Protest. :)

Clemson_Joe · 1 year ago

I really wish they would move that game so that it's not 2 days after Thanksgiving. Maybe that only bothers me, but I hate it.