I posted this on another thread. I believe the coaches and writers will manipulate rankings to "put it to Texas" and rank them even below USC to avoid a rematch. This BCS system is awful. I am rooting for Florida and Oklahoma so we get the Rematch (which would kill the BCS) or manipulated rankings (which would also kill the BCS). This needs to happen.
screwsc
· 12 months ago
The only team that wants a rematch of Texas OU is OU. No one is putting it to Texas except Texas for losing to Tech. All this whining and campaigning for the Longhorns is boring. Suck it up and prepare for Ohio State, Mack.
OU 45 - FLA 31
hrposon
· 1 year ago
Can Forida catch Texas? Why not, the same people and machines that voted Oklahoma over Texas are still the ones voting. Running up the score on weak teams makes for good stats. Commonly referred to as "Style points". Florida's drubbing of LSU was impressive until you found out that 4 other teams would beat LSU. Georgia lost 3 games. Auburn lost 7 games. Tennessee lost 7 games. Arkansas had 7 losses, one of the losses was to Texas and then they stopped the series. Heck, Vandy only had 6 losses. Alabama went to overtime with LSU. Maybe the SEC isn't that good this year. The fact is that Texas lost to # 7 Texas Tech on the last play of the game and Florida lost to unranked Mississippi on a missed extra point.
"BC"
· 1 year ago
the SEC isn't good this year, but they are still better than you think they are. Ole Miss is actually a really tough team and i believe they will dominate come bowl season.
The SEC this year is: Alabama, Ole Miss, Florida, Georgia
The Big XII this year is: Oklahoma, Texas Tech, Texas, Oklahoma St.
Alabama > Oklahoma Ole Miss > Texas Tech Florida > Texas Georgia < Oklahoma St.
so, really, i think the SEC is still the best conference in the land. of course, i'll have to wait until bowl season before anyone will believe me. sure, with all of the spread offenses in the big 12, there are many more offensive possessions, thus, leading to more points. but in no way does that equate to being better, as the media would have you believe. teams in the SEC still have the bigger players, and would dominate in the trenches.
remember how Oklahoma just completely dominated Texas Tech? well all you had to do was look at their lines. Texas Tech simply had no answer for the power run. Texas Tech also had no answer to their receivers being covered. and this is what i've been saying all season long. every line in the SEC is around the same size as Oklahoma's, and you rarely ever see receivers get wide open.
but to stay on topic, i believe there is nothing to worry about. the BCS would rather fudge the numbers, than take the heat for a rematch NC game.
Wardboy3
· 1 year ago
Why do you have "to wait until bowl season"? Does the regular season not matter to you when you are trying to prove a point?
SEC vs BCS conf schools 2008 WIN: 6 LOSS: 9 That is a 40% win percentage. That does not include SEC losses to non-BCS schools of Wyoming and LA Tech.
FYI...that is the worst win % of all BCS conf.
gatorhippy
· 1 year ago
All I know is the Gators are 1-0 versus the ACC this season, Wardboy...
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
Attending the festivities in the ATL this weekend, GH?
gatorhippy
· 1 year ago
Absolutely....
Just hopin' my jorts dry out in time...
And my liver...
Bama_Babe
· 1 year ago
GH,
Have a safe trip up to Atlanta this weekend. I'll be heading over Friday.
Roll Tide! ;)
gatorhippy
· 1 year ago
You do the same, Darlin'...
We are headin' up on Friday as well and staying out in Conyers with a buddy of mine that I played NAIA ball with up in Kentucky....
I haven't seen him in a couple of years so it should be fun...
Mr2Bits
· 1 year ago
Good luck and be safe. Im saving my Christmas pennies for Miami. Ill be there in spirit though.
gatorhippy
· 1 year ago
Yuh, M2B...
Already booked a room for Joe Robbie & NOLA so I'll be square regardless of what the outcome is Sat. night...
Gettin ready to bolt for the ATL shortly after Noon...
We'll be chillin' most of the afternoon in Five Points at the 5 Points Pub soakin' up some counterculture then catchin' a cab down to the GA-Dome...
Just hopin' the game gets over in time for us to check out either Fishbone or Delbert McClinton tomorrow night...
Wardboy3
· 1 year ago
That is not the point you Hippy. He stated the "SEC is still the best conference in the land". I was just showing what happens to the SEC as a WHOLE, not just one team, as a whole play other BCS conference teams and also the struggles against non-BCS teams.
I feel if you try to claim that you are "the best conference in the land" your WHOLE conference should prove it on the field, not just one team.
And actually the Gators were 2-0 against the ACC, they defeated Fla St & Miami. So FLA made up 33% of the SEC OOC BCS wins. One team out of 12 made up 33% of the wins. That is not "the best conference in the land" according to me.
gatorhippy
· 1 year ago
LMAO...
Maybe not your point...
But certainly mine...
I forgot about Miami...
At least they put up a better fight than the Noles...
Tyler_Tech
· 1 year ago
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Bevo_Boy
· 1 year ago
I believe the term is "h"
Tyler_Tech
· 1 year ago
I believe the term is delete, because that is what I meant to do. Thanks you for keeping the thread "spick and span"!!!
Tyler_Tech
· 1 year ago
You won't have to wait very long to see whether ole miss is better than TT.........
Porcine
· 1 year ago
Please Hammer Don't Hurt 'Em
"BC"
· 1 year ago
i can't wait for all of the Big 12 vs. SEC bowl games. they should be pretty exciting to watch.
hrposon
· 1 year ago
I know there two real good teams in the SEC. Here's to great game on Saturday.
raider_nation96
· 1 year ago
Looks like we will see if what you think is true with Ole Miss vs Texas Tech. I think we all know who my money is on! If they couldnt beat us with Eli I am doubting they can now!
screwsc
· 12 months ago
Your wrong - Big XII is better this year. SEC defense is over rated because SEC offenses (except FLA and ALA) are not that great. B12 defenses are statistically underrated because of the amazing offenses.
OU 45 - FLA 31
PittsburghTiger
· 1 year ago
my head is going to explode
Skip1
· 1 year ago
Won't Florida's strength of schedule improve if they beat an undefeated Alabama team? And won't a bunch of pollsters put Florida at #1 if they win, especially convincingly? I just don't see this scenario happening.
mosforty
· 1 year ago
Even with Texas idle, wouldn't they gain sos points since they beat the big 12 champ?
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
SOS is no longer an explicit part of the BCS.
I actually just estimated where each BCS computer would move them to and estimated the vote distribution of the polls, based on current distributions implied by the current values.
Most of the gain came from the Coaches Poll, where I gave Florida most of the 1st place votes. I kept Oklahoma and Texas roughly tied at #2 and #3 across the board, with a few stray 1st place votes.
Florida came out ahead 0.9577 to 0.9519, plus or minus .01. I have learned not to doubt the BCS GURU, and he brought this up a couple of hours before Kill The BCS did on another page.
( Kill beat me to the punch, as I don't post threads at work... )
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
NOTE:
While the BCS formula intrinsically has a resolution down to 0.0000009587 (1/1043100), but an accuracy of only 0.00699. This is from the resolution of the inputs and formula alone.
It does not include the error in the inputs.
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
Using the odds above we get: Odds of Florida and Oklahoma winning: 4:3
Adding these:
Florida passing Texas: 2:1 USC beating UCLA: 9:1 Fiesta Bowl taking Boise State over Ohio State: 1:1 Sugar Bowl taking Boise State over Ohio State: 1:15
Oklahoma Texas Rematch: 4:17 or about 20%
NCG: Oklahoma 95%, Florida 40%, Alabama 40%, Texas 25%. Rose Bowl: Penn State 100%, USC 90%, Oregon State 10%. Fiesta Bowl: Texas 75%, Utah 85%, Alabama 10%, Boise State 10%, Ohio State 10%, Missouri 5%, USC 5% Sugar Bowl: Florida 60%, Ohio State 70%, Alabama 40%, Utah 15%, Cincinnati 10%, Boise State 5%, Orange Bowl: Cincinnati 90%, Virginia Tech 50%, Boston College 50%, Alabama 10%
Propability of a BCS Bowl: Texas, Alabama, Florida, Penn State, Utah and Cincinnati 100%; Oklahoma and USC 95%; Ohio State 80%; Virginia Tech and Boston College 50%; Boise State 15%; Oregon State 10%; Missouri 5%
Mr2Bits
· 1 year ago
This thread should read : Can Texas catch Florida? If Florida beats Bama, they are in plain and simple. This thread reminds me of ESPN and their what if hypes.
TampaGator
· 1 year ago
SEC Champ v. B XII Champ.
Book it.
GO GATORS!!
Mr2Bits
· 1 year ago
Unless OU loses then its SEC Champ V. Texas/USC
TampaGator
· 1 year ago
Good point.
For the SEC, I favor OU; I think SEC champ beats OU handily. As for the more desirable matchups, I'm much prefer to see Texas or USC v. SEC Champ.
GO GATORS!!
1Tomcat
· 1 year ago
What that aint happening- Missu lost to KU,OK ST and Texas, BU lost by a 3 point feild goal, OU will probably stomp the H outa Missu, Texas already has 28-0 first half OU and Missu in the XII Chump game two teams that have already lost to Texas Texas is the real XII Champ Hookem-Horns
raider_nation96
· 1 year ago
Not so fast my friend!
PrinceMarko
· 1 year ago
The Alabama-Florida winner is in the BCS Championship no matter what. Florida wins and it will leapfrog Texas and most likely Oklahoma to number 1.
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
I agree as far as the human polls go. Florida will still be way behind in the computers though.
It will be close in the BCS.
sicumdogs
· 1 year ago
The precident was set last year that if you don't win your conference or play in the conference championship you cannot play for the NC. Look what happened to Georgia last year. They were jumped in the last poll because they "didn't even play in their championship game." Would someone explain how Texas could do that? The Texas/OU issue is not a BCS issue, It is Big 12 who is responsible for the policy, and who they place in their championship game. The BCS should not take the fall for the Big 12 policy.
PrinceMarko
· 1 year ago
I was doing some math....
Florida cannot gain much in the Harris poll or the Computer polls, but the USA Today Poll can put them over Texas if they go from 4 to number 1. If they dont, Texas is going to get in. That would be criminal.
FSU_Ben
· 1 year ago
Doesn't the last Coaches poll have to match the BCS? Is that After or before the NCG?
All Comments
OU 45 - FLA 31
Why not, the same people and machines that voted Oklahoma over Texas are still the ones voting. Running up the score on weak teams makes for good stats. Commonly referred to as "Style points". Florida's drubbing of LSU was impressive until you found out that 4 other teams would beat LSU. Georgia lost 3 games. Auburn lost 7 games. Tennessee lost 7 games. Arkansas had 7 losses, one of the losses was to Texas and then they stopped the series. Heck, Vandy only had 6 losses. Alabama went to overtime with LSU. Maybe the SEC isn't that good this year.
The fact is that Texas lost to # 7 Texas Tech on the last play of the game and Florida lost to unranked Mississippi on a missed extra point.
Ole Miss is actually a really tough team and i believe they will dominate come bowl season.
The SEC this year is:
Alabama, Ole Miss, Florida, Georgia
The Big XII this year is:
Oklahoma, Texas Tech, Texas, Oklahoma St.
Alabama > Oklahoma
Ole Miss > Texas Tech
Florida > Texas
Georgia < Oklahoma St.
so, really, i think the SEC is still the best conference in the land. of course, i'll have to wait until bowl season before anyone will believe me.
sure, with all of the spread offenses in the big 12, there are many more offensive possessions, thus, leading to more points.
but in no way does that equate to being better, as the media would have you believe.
teams in the SEC still have the bigger players, and would dominate in the trenches.
remember how Oklahoma just completely dominated Texas Tech? well all you had to do was look at their lines. Texas Tech simply had no answer for the power run. Texas Tech also had no answer to their receivers being covered. and this is what i've been saying all season long. every line in the SEC is around the same size as Oklahoma's, and you rarely ever see receivers get wide open.
but to stay on topic, i believe there is nothing to worry about.
the BCS would rather fudge the numbers, than take the heat for a rematch NC game.
SEC vs BCS conf schools 2008
WIN: 6
LOSS: 9
That is a 40% win percentage. That does not include SEC losses to non-BCS schools of Wyoming and LA Tech.
FYI...that is the worst win % of all BCS conf.
Just hopin' my jorts dry out in time...
And my liver...
Have a safe trip up to Atlanta this weekend.
I'll be heading over Friday.
Roll Tide! ;)
We are headin' up on Friday as well and staying out in Conyers with a buddy of mine that I played NAIA ball with up in Kentucky....
I haven't seen him in a couple of years so it should be fun...
Already booked a room for Joe Robbie & NOLA so I'll be square regardless of what the outcome is Sat. night...
Gettin ready to bolt for the ATL shortly after Noon...
We'll be chillin' most of the afternoon in Five Points at the 5 Points Pub soakin' up some counterculture then catchin' a cab down to the GA-Dome...
Just hopin' the game gets over in time for us to check out either Fishbone or Delbert McClinton tomorrow night...
He stated the "SEC is still the best conference in the land". I was just showing what happens to the SEC as a WHOLE, not just one team, as a whole play other BCS conference teams and also the struggles against non-BCS teams.
I feel if you try to claim that you are "the best conference in the land" your WHOLE conference should prove it on the field, not just one team.
And actually the Gators were 2-0 against the ACC, they defeated Fla St & Miami. So FLA made up 33% of the SEC OOC BCS wins. One team out of 12 made up 33% of the wins. That is not "the best conference in the land" according to me.
Maybe not your point...
But certainly mine...
I forgot about Miami...
At least they put up a better fight than the Noles...
they should be pretty exciting to watch.
OU 45 - FLA 31
I actually just estimated where each BCS computer would move them to and estimated the vote distribution of the polls, based on current distributions implied by the current values.
Most of the gain came from the Coaches Poll, where I gave Florida most of the 1st place votes. I kept Oklahoma and Texas roughly tied at #2 and #3 across the board, with a few stray 1st place votes.
Florida came out ahead 0.9577 to 0.9519, plus or minus .01. I have learned not to doubt the BCS GURU, and he brought this up a couple of hours before Kill The BCS did on another page.
( Kill beat me to the punch, as I don't post threads at work... )
While the BCS formula intrinsically has a resolution down to 0.0000009587 (1/1043100), but an accuracy of only 0.00699. This is from the resolution of the inputs and formula alone.
It does not include the error in the inputs.
Odds of Florida and Oklahoma winning: 4:3
Adding these:
Florida passing Texas: 2:1
USC beating UCLA: 9:1
Fiesta Bowl taking Boise State over Ohio State: 1:1
Sugar Bowl taking Boise State over Ohio State: 1:15
Oklahoma Texas Rematch: 4:17 or about 20%
NCG: Oklahoma 95%, Florida 40%, Alabama 40%, Texas 25%.
Rose Bowl: Penn State 100%, USC 90%, Oregon State 10%.
Fiesta Bowl: Texas 75%, Utah 85%, Alabama 10%, Boise State 10%, Ohio State 10%, Missouri 5%, USC 5%
Sugar Bowl: Florida 60%, Ohio State 70%, Alabama 40%, Utah 15%, Cincinnati 10%, Boise State 5%,
Orange Bowl: Cincinnati 90%, Virginia Tech 50%, Boston College 50%, Alabama 10%
Propability of a BCS Bowl: Texas, Alabama, Florida, Penn State, Utah and Cincinnati 100%; Oklahoma and USC 95%; Ohio State 80%; Virginia Tech and Boston College 50%; Boise State 15%; Oregon State 10%; Missouri 5%
Book it.
GO GATORS!!
For the SEC, I favor OU; I think SEC champ beats OU handily. As for the more desirable matchups, I'm much prefer to see Texas or USC v. SEC Champ.
GO GATORS!!
OU and Missu in the XII Chump game two teams that have already lost to Texas
Texas is the real XII Champ
Hookem-Horns
It will be close in the BCS.
Florida cannot gain much in the Harris poll or the Computer polls, but the USA Today Poll can put them over Texas if they go from 4 to number 1. If they dont, Texas is going to get in. That would be criminal.