Fanblogs.com: Clemson coaching search to begin in earnest
PittsburghTiger
· 1 year ago
Wasn't Kelly from Cincy listed as a good fit for Tennessee?
Tech sure seems to have shot themselves in the foot by telling Leach to wait.
It will be an interesting end to the season, and early off-season, with some of the high-profile jobs.
Zac
· 1 year ago
PT, I recall some discussion at the beginning of last season regarding Kelly and his rumored interest in another school, once he'd proven himself at Cinci. I don't remember it being TN, but I haven't been able to find the threads containing those discussions. Anyone else got any ideas, or is my memory failing me as usual?
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
Skip Holtz's stock as a coach this year is eerily reminiscent of Wall street's roller coaster ride of late...
Tuberville isn't going anywhere this year, unless he loses his last 4 games. Then we might talk...
I don't know if I like the idea of Muschamp at Auburn, assuming a vacancy... Don't know if he's quite ready for prime time yet...
Thanks. No one is commenting. They're probably trying to figure out why it doesn't concern Auburn. Well, guess what? Nothing concerns Auburn anymore this season...
I'm drinking heavily...
1Tomcat
· 1 year ago
WEA excellent-outstanding job man, keep your hopes up good luck with the rest of yalls season- Sorry I missed the second half of the WV game Adios Tomcat BTW my in-laws are now driving a Dodge dynasty after the Izuzu Rodeo got repossessed- that ought to make ya laugh-what's next who knows
Zac
· 1 year ago
Great article!!! You have exceptional play-on words. I sincerely hope your car sales are going at least as half as well as you write. While I'm not entirely in agreement with all of your sentiments, given what's transpired in the Big East this year, it really doesn't matter. Those teams are on the outside looking in. All they can do is hope to get at least 5 teams into bowls and represent the conference well in each.
By the way, were I an Auburn fan, I would have selected "E": Bitterly disappointed, but still behind the team. I work with a guy in Rad-Protection who is one such character.
OK, so Auburn is not going to the NC; so, they're relegated as being placed into the spoiler role. Take solace in knowing Auburn can at least impact, if not shape entirely, the NC picture. That, my friend, is worthy of something besides just another drink.
TRIPPA06
· 1 year ago
The fans definitely want Muschamp the most. I have heard over and over that he was not interested in coaching at a school that had to play UGA every year... Read his agents comments and I think he will make a run at Clemson for sure...
I'm not so sure the Clemson admin will listen too much to the fans. I wouldn't. In 5 years no one will remember who the fans wanted anyway. By that time, all the fans will want to know is "what is he doing for us now."
So, as long as Clemson admin feels they have made a good choice, it won't matter too much if the fans want Muschamp. Therefore, I expect Clemson will go after a proven coach like Leach with a solid record who can produce quickly and for an extended period of time.
TRIPPA06
· 1 year ago
No way we hire Mike Leach. I wasn't saying that our fans would weigh into TDP's decision at all, I was just stating that Muschamp is the people's champ. Which is true.
USC1801
· 1 year ago
Why not? Is it just a matter of fit? Without dissing Clemson, I understand there is a certain type of person who must fit into the ethos of the university, although that perception has changed somewhat since "good 'ol boy" DFord.
Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
I honestly don't think we will hire Leach either. TDP could shock me, but I don't see that happening. I'd give it a 2% chance.
What about Mike Gundy though? His stock is high. He's proven he can win, and TDP hired him in the first place.
USC1801
· 1 year ago
I'm not sure he would leave the Cowboys to come east again. After all, OSU is his alma mater, and they gave him his first head coaching job. But I could see him fitting in. He's young, opportunistic, and, as we all know, fiery. That in itself would be a change for Clemson.
Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
Yes, not having a coach that looks at the ground with his arms crossed when his team isn't doing well would be a great change.
Porcine
· 1 year ago
Earnest P. Worell.?
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
Porcine:
I can see him on the sideline right now. One eyebrow raised, as he tries to muster up the brainpower required, to figure out how to slow down the opposition's tremendous pass rush. I hope that he can bring in the rest of his staff also - it'll be hilarious. Now, that's a movie that ought to be made. I'd pay to go watch that one. "Ernest goes to Clemson". Classic!
bculp
· 1 year ago
just another band wagon usc fan
Tyler_Tech
· 1 year ago
TO ALL RUMORS CONCERNING COACH LEACH:
If it comes down to money, he will not leave. Our athletic director will pay him whatever he wants. If it comes down to a better opportunity, it is a toss up. I really do no believe a job at clemson is a better opportunity. We are pretty much a one sport school at the moment at Tech, and well lets put it this way. If leach ran for mayor, he would win in a landslide. I think the reason Leach will never leave is that other teams have a problem putting this man as the face of their program. Down here, we simply do not care. He can do whatever he wants in good ole' WEST TEXAS.
Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
I would very much prefer if you kept him. I have nothing against Texas Tech, but I don't really care to see Leach in burnt orange and northwest purple.
TampaGator
· 1 year ago
"...burnt orange and northwest purple..."
Clemson's colors? Burnt orange?
Sure doesn't look like it from outsider's perspective.
GO GATORS!!
Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
Yeah, I think it should be called something else, but that's what it is.
A few years back when we played Tennessee in the Peach Bowl a reporter asked Bowden a question referring to the team wearing "electric orange" and the team wearing "burnt orange". His response indicated that he thought that we wore "electric orange". The reporter informed him that Clemson wears "burnt orange" so he changed his answer. I can't find it anywhere right now, but it was pretty funny. Hopefully our next coach will be a little more familiar with the colors that we wear.
TampaGator
· 1 year ago
Funny you mention Tennessee. I call theirs creamsicle orange (like the old buc's uni's). I don't know what they call it, but whenever they come to UF, the difference between their pastel-creamsickle orange, and ours, is stark. I've never heard any adjective for our orange--at least not officially. I've heard it described as "electric," and "power" orange--but again, not officially. Officially, I believe it's just orange. I always thought CU and UF had the same orange.
...learn something new everyday...
GO GATORS!!
Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
I think they are the same. I think they're also the same as Syracuse, Illinois, Oregon State, and Oklahoma State. I think they're all just "orange". I guess they have to change the name to sound different. It's kinda like Ole Miss and their Yale blue and Harvard crimson.
TampaGator
· 1 year ago
I believe that's SMU ("Yale blue and Harvard crimson").
So, who are you liking for CU's next HC?
Gundy? (...or does he just get your blessing)
GO GATORS!!
Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
I wasn't aware that SMU did it, too. I guess they both do.
I really don't know. Gundy would be alright. I like Gary Patterson. Muschamp seems good, but he's a bit unproven. Todd Graham (if he brought Malzahn with him) would probably be good. I like that Bobby Johnson is a Clemson guy, but I don't think he's proven enough really at all. I actually have faith in our AD to make the right call. I guess if I had to choose, I'd either pick Patterson or Graham.
From Mississippi's athletics site: In 1893, when Ole Miss' first football team was in training for a five-game season, Dr. A.L. Bondurant, organizer and manager-coach, later recalled that "The team had much discussion as to the colors that should be adopted, but it was finally suggested by the manager that the union of the Crimson of Harvard and the Navy Blue of Yale would be very harmonious, and that it was well to have the spirit of both of these good colleges." These were adopted as the football colors, and have since been adopted by the University as its athletic colors.
Author's note: the red has since moved to a cardinal red..."
Also, the red they wear is definitely NOT crimson. But I did check their official site, and it recites the Harv/Yale history bit. Anyway....much adieu about nothing, right?
I like Steve Martin (Bobby Johnson). It would be very interesting to see what he could do with CU's talent.
GO GATORS!!
Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
"Also, the red they wear is definitely NOT crimson."
...and Clemson definitely does NOT wear burnt orange, but that's what they call it. That's more like Texas' orange.
Anyway, I really like Bobby Johnson, but I just don't know if he's the guy to take "good to great". We've had the guy that got us to good, but now we need the "good to great" guy. Those are much more rare and hard to come by. Johnson has done well this season, but losing to Duke isn't going to look good to our administration. Although, before this season, Duke's last ACC victory was years ago against Clemson. I don't know. I know I'm not qualified to make the call, and I really hope that TDP makes the right one.
1Tomcat
· 1 year ago
Clemson Joe Todd Grahmn would be an excellent HC for yall and is a proven winner. BTW yalls orange is a shade lighter than Texas Orange is alittle darker shade of the same
I haven't made up my mind who I think might be ya'lls best fit. There are some good ones out there at the moment. I think you are going to have a lot to look forward too.
Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
I certainly hope you're right, but I do agree. I'm excited about our future.
Porcine
· 1 year ago
Some people are saying that if/when Graham leaves Malzahn gets promoted to HC.
Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
I don't really think I want him without Malzahn.
Kevin @ Fanblogs
· 1 year ago
I think you hit on something there. Some folks do perceive an image problem with Coach Leach. I will concede that I have not been his biggest fan, but I take more of an issue with his scheduling and propensity for playing his starters late into blowouts.
1Tomcat
· 1 year ago
I Agree Tyler I dont see either Leech or Gundy leaving their schools, heck they already have great programs in a BCS conference. Todd Grahmn took Rice in his first year from 1-11 to 7-5 thats at Rice, now he is undefeated in his second year at Tulsa, he takes small programs and makes complete turnaround- one of the best IMHO stay away from Muschamp Hookem-Horns
OleBlueDog
· 1 year ago
How about a simpler path to a BCS game? More appearances at those lead to more pay and greater recognition... The only hitch is he seems to be a western guy. With the exception of doing what he had to do while making a name for himself as an OC at Valdosta State and Kentucky, Leach has been out west his whole life.
USC1801
· 1 year ago
LOL!!! . . "Earnest goes to Clemson" . . . now THAT is funny!!
dawgfan
· 1 year ago
I could see Tubberville looking into this opportunity. He would be a good fit for the ACC. He can win, but he just can't hang w/ the big boys in the SEC (1 SECC in 10 years and only 2 appearance in the SECC game...only one BCS appearance). I think he could win a title or two in the ACC.
TRIPPA06
· 1 year ago
Lateral move.
dawgfan
· 1 year ago
I agree. It's more of a thing where his stock went through the roof and stayed hight through last year. Personally I thought he would bolt for one last payday after either 06 or 07 because of how high his stock was and the fact that he is getting older. He had been an average coach until 03 and has since proved that at best he's only slightly above average. He could go to Clemson and win 2 ACC titles in 7 or 8 years and be loved by Clemson fans.
U.of S.C.1978
· 1 year ago
I expect the powers that be at Moo U, to multiply their mid-season firing error.
RazzMaTazz
· 1 year ago
Unfortunately, Clemson's AD has already said that candidates should have "regional ties", "fit the culture", and that "this is not LA". I'm afraid that's old-boy-network code for "Protestant Southerners only need apply". So apparently, Lane Kiffin (from Minnesota, coached in CA), and Chris Peterson (from CA, and a Scientologist) won't be considered. Regional ties are nice for the recruiters. But, for example, Urban Meyer (from Ohio, coached in Ohio) had great success at Utah, despite no regional ties. And then he had great success at Florida, despite no regional ties. It's 2008. I wish Clemson would just hire the best affordable coach, without regard for religion or pedigree.
Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
That's nice and all but do you really believe that Kiffin or Petersen are the best affordable coaches? I certainly don't.
RazzMaTazz
· 1 year ago
I believe that either Kiffin or Peterson would be better than Muschamp, Johnson, Foster, Patterson, Kelly, Swinney, and just about everyone else reasonable that I've heard mentioned. One thing is for certain... the AD would have to be an idiot to eliminate them from consideration.
Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
How exactly has Kiffin been proven? He was the OC at USC. Wow, that's a tough job. Petersen seems way too much like a repeat of Bowden's prior record. Great record, but didn't really play anyone with his own players.
RazzMaTazz
· 1 year ago
Kiffin earned his job as OC at USC by being a successful tight-ends & receivers coach, and by being the passing coordinator. Kiffin had a higher winning percentage than Norm Chow. Carroll selected him. Kiffin was widely considered the best recruiter in America during his years at USC. I'd say Kiffin has proven himself at least as well as any coordinator that Clemson is considering.
Peterson has been with Boise St. since 2001, so I'm sure he's been winning with many of his own recruits. That includes a conference championship and a Fiesta Bowl win over a superior Oklahoma team. Peterson also earned his way to the head coaching position. As wide receivers coach at Oregon, his receivers set school records. In his 5 seasons as OC for BSU, his offense finished in the top 15 four times (top 10 three times) and he was two-time Broyles award finalist.
Aside from Bill Cowher, Rich Rodriguez, Mike Leach, Mike Gundy, or some other head coach that Clemson can't get, who do you think has proven themselves more than Kiffin or Peterson? You seem to like Graham, even though he hasn't even won a C-USA conference title yet, let a lone beat anybody good. And you seem to like Patterson, even though he's never beaten anybody outside of a tier-2 conference. That kind of success reminds me of Tommy Bowden's success at Tulane. Your reasoning seems inconsistent.
Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
First, it's Chris Petersen. If you want to support him, I'm sure he'd prefer that you got his name right. Secondly, the guy became the head coach in 2006, so that's hardly enough time to build a roster on your own. That's almost exactly the same amount of time that Bowden had with Tulane before coming to Clemson. Let's see....
Petersen at Boise State: 2008 - beat Oregon, haven't lost yet and probably won't because their schedule is worse than Byrnes High School's 2007 - beat no one that matters, lost to Hawai'i, ECU, and Washington 2006 - beat Oklahoma, Oregon State, and Utah 2006 was done all with Dan Hawkins' players. If our schedule were littered with the Louisiana Techs, Hawai'is, Southern Mississippis, and San Jose States of the world, then I'd say sure, let's take him. The reality is that it isn't. So, to me, he hasn't proven enough. Does one win with someone else's guys really qualify you to be the head coach at Clemson? It shouldn't.
Patterson at TCU: 2000 - 10-2 record against a bunch of no one cares 2001 - 6-6 with losses to Nebraska, Texas A&M 2002 - 10-2 with losses to Cincy, ECU; wins over Colorado St. Northwestern, Louisville 2003 - 11-1 with losses to Southern Miss, Boise; wins over Navy, Vandy, Arizona, S.Florida, Cincy 2004 - 5-6 terrible season, blowout loss to Texas Tech 2005 - 11-1 with wins over Oklahoma, BYU, Utah, Iowa State 2006 - 11-2 with losses to BYU, Utah; wins over Texas Tech, N. Illinois Colorado State 2007 - 8-5 with losses to Texas and MWC top teams; win over Baylor 2008 - 8-1 with loss to Oklahoma; blowout wins over Stanford, BYU
Now, consider that he did all of this with a Texas team that has to take a back seat in recruiting to the Big XII powers both in state and to the north. His current recruiting class rivals Clemson's. I don't think that his record is sparkling, but to say that he's never beaten anybody outside of a tier-2 conference is extremely wrong. He has even beaten Oklahoma, which seems to be Petersen's claim to fame. If you'll look at his resume, Oklahoma is hardly the only one from a BCS conference. The others may not be that impressive, but Texas Tech isn't too shabby. My point is that if you compare Petersen to Patterson, it's no contest.
I'd love to have Rodriguez, but that's not even worthy of discussion, since the probability is so low. Bill Cowher is a joke of a rumor. I hope Leach stays as far away from Clemson as possible. I would take Gundy, but he's probably set where he is. I'm not a big fan of Kiffin because I don't care to see the WC offense at Clemson, but if he's better than I think he's proven, then fine. I don't really have a problem with him. I'm just not convinced at all. I like Graham but that's really only because I like watching his team play. The guy isn't qualified at all, but I'd love to see an offense as electrifying as that wearing orange in Death Valley on Saturdays. Bud Foster might be a good one. He's certainly proven himself on the defensive side of the ball. Butch Davis would be good, but probably wouldn't jump ship from Chapel Hill right now. If it were up to me, I'd love to keep Swinney as head coach, and have him hire Bobby Bentley as the OC, and Bobby Johnson as the DC. I know that won't happen, but I can hope.
For me, the bottom line is this. Petersen is not as good of a hire as Patterson at all, and there is a lot of history to back that up. Kiffin might be alright, and so might Muschamp. So might a lot of other people. I just really don't want to replicate the Bowden hire, and that seems exactly like what Petersen would be.
RazzMaTazz
· 1 year ago
OK. I didn't do my homework, and I stand corrected. Patterson had a couple of good wins over BCS teams (and losses). Thanks for compiling & posting the data.
But again, unless Petersen didn't do any recruiting since he arrived in 2001, then I don't think it's exactly fair to say that Petersen has been winning with Dawkins' recruits. BSU's current (undefeated) 2-deep has several freshmen and sophomores, including their RS freshman QB and their second leading RB (sophomore). But apparently BSU hasn't really beaten anybody besides Oklahoma.
Texas's leftovers are probably 1000 times better than Idaho's finest, so I'm not buying the argument that Patterson did-more-with-less argument.
But Patterson did have a couple good wins. On the other hand, he scares me because his teams have been up & down and good & bad against the BCS. That reminds me of another coach that Clemson recently had; a guy who was a big fish at a little pond at Tulane.
Gotta love Swinney beating BC!
Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
I agree. Patterson has a scary side, and to find it look no further than 2004. Petersen's resume just seems so eerily similar to Bowden's. Really, all of the ones mentioned seem to have a tremendous potential upside, but flashes of a scary downside.
What was your take on Muschamp vs. Leach tonight and how that could turn out for us?
We can certainly stop talking about Graham/Malzahn now. That loss to the Hogs was rather pedestrian.
Man, that game in Chestnut Hill was a little too exciting for me. If we could get Harper to stop throwing picks, and figure out how to punt better than a middle school team, we'd be pretty good. Everything other than that looked a lot better. CJ has really emerged as a leader, and it appears as if Davis is fading off into the sunset for whatever reason. It really seems to me that when we utilize Tyler Grisham, we win, but maybe that's just me. I'd really like to see Korn as much as possible for the rest of the season. The way that Harper threw those picks for seemingly no reason, it wouldn't break my heart to not see him again this season. Anyway, it was a good win, and hopefully we can get at least 5 more.
RazzMaTazz
· 1 year ago
I'd take Leach over Muschamp any day. And I think Leach effectively made that case Saturday night. (Great game!) But I think it's more likely that he'll be ordained king of Lubbock, than come to Clemson-- especiall if he wins the Big 12, let alone an NC.
Harper's 3 INTs were unforgiveable, as they have been throughout the season. I just don't understand how his passing could have degraded so much since last season. He has no chance at the NFL. It's time to try Korn-- especially against FSU's over-pursuing defense and pass rush.
Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
I agree with both of your statements. I think Korn is still injured. I've heard that he will play more against FSU, and I certainly hope that's true. I actually watched the game twice, once in regular time, when I was nervous. The second when I was calm and level headed via DVR. All 3 of Harper's interceptions were not hurried or forced in any way. He just flat out made terrible throws, and in terrible places on the field to boot. I don't know what's wrong with him, but he doesn't look good. There were a few times where he looked like the Harper of old and made good throws, but he's far too inconsistent. I probably shouldn't, but I feel pretty good about the game Saturday.
RazzMaTazz
· 1 year ago
I also rewatched the game on DVR, and I agree about Harper's throws. He also seems to be staring down a specific receiver too long. And Clemson is damned lucky that he didn't get intercepted one more time on that dangerous long throw into blanket double coverage.
I could see the FSU game going either way. If Clemson shoots itself in the foot with interceptions and penalties, it'll be a long day. We can't turn it over 4 times to FSU and expect to win in Doak. If Clemson plays well, I think Clemson has a decent chance. Clemson really needs to contain and sack Ponder. He's slippery like Skinner, and I'm afraid he'll scramble for first downs like Skinner did to Clemson. Hopefully the defense is now healthy enough to stop him.
Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
First let's see if Swinney can do something Bowden never could at Clemson and beat Boston College. This team mathematically could still win the ACC, and if Swinney gets on a roll and the stars align, this job may be his for the long haul.
c-dogg
· 1 year ago
You better hurry Clemson...those recruits are leaving faster than your preseason ranking during the Alabama game.
USC1801
· 1 year ago
Yep, Spurrier is having a hard time deciding whether to spend his time planning for the Tenn. game or running after those Clemson recruits! I saw where we (oops, I mean USC) picked up a running back from them. Thank you Mr. Bowden.
Zac
· 1 year ago
We've long ago discussed Bill Muschamp establishing himself before going shopping. Should TX go on to win the NC, he may have done just that in all too short an order. I haven't considered Bud Foster, on the other hand, as for some reason I think he's dedicated to VA Tech. There's no accounting for the almighty dollar, however; so, I spose anything goes.
I didn't know about the issues Leach is facing with his contract at TX Tech, if indeed there are issues. That said, in the other thread I honestly didn't see him booking for WA. However, it wouldn't surprise me, if he took the Clemson job, if offered.
I'm not sure about Gundy or Patterson, and you can keep Holtz; in my opinion, he's just a name. Those of you pre-nixing Appy's Jerry More, or Boise's Chris Peterson should reconsider. There's a hell of a lot of potential there, and Peterson could last for years.
Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
As you may or may not know, App. State is my 2nd favorite team. I'm a huge fan of Jerry Moore. However, dominating in Boone and taking Clemson from good to great might be too very different things. Honestly, I think that might be a little too much of a jump.
Skip Holtz isn't our guy. The Fightin' Catholics can have him after King Hippo moves on. As for Petersen, there's no way that a scientologist coaches at Clemson.
What is it about Patterson that you don't like?
Regan
· 1 year ago
Mike Leach is a bad person. Keep him away from Clemson and other civilized areas.
Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
LOL
tigger
· 1 year ago
hey, what do you think about clemson stealing davis from under unc's nose?
Regan
· 1 year ago
I'd be down with that...
tigger
· 1 year ago
Davis! Take him. Enough said.
Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
Yeah, wouldn't that be nice....
...or Rodriguez
Regan
· 1 year ago
Swinney = My ideal choice, if he can iron out a winning season. Muschamp = Works for me. Foster = Works for me. Holtz = Meh. Not sold yet. Leach = NO, for the love of all that is good and holy keep this sob away. Kiffin = Longshot, but works for me. Johnson = Not sold until he brings Vandy to a bowl. Tuberville = Could work, but I don't think he'll want to make the jump. Patterson = I don't know enough about him. Rodriguez = I would really like him at Clemson, but I don't see it happening. Gundy = Wait and see how the Pokes finish out...
Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
Yeah, I'd really like to see Swinney win out in conference, FSU take 1 more loss, Maryland take 3 more, and Wake take 2 more. Then I'd like to see him beat Spurrier, then win a bowl game. Of course, this is a lot to ask, and it will probably not happen, but if he can do that, then we can just keep him.
RazzMaTazz
· 1 year ago
Initially, I was against the idea of hiring Swinney, but if he wins out (regardless of what UMD and Wake do), I'd be OK with giving him a shot. Clemson could justifiably give Swinney a ridiculously cheap contract with a cheap buyout because he's a newbie. That would enable Clemson (although they would never say it publicly) to try out Swinney for a year or two (while they build a war chest), and replace him if he doesn't pan out. But I think he pretty much has to win out in order to satisfy the boosters and have credibility with recruits.
U.of S.C.1978
· 1 year ago
Fact, Moo U. is trying to fill a position, said position will be at the mercy of "party fans". You might ask what is a "party fan". A "party fan" is one who knows nothing much more than, we lost, Coach ruined the after game party. Party fans do not know football. They know, "win party", or "lose party". They only love the win parties. No other factor is considered. Fans like these, I wish on all you other guys. How do I know this? We have a lot of "party fans" at my school. I'm considering some method of hooking up their aluminum seats, to electric cattle prods.
CO COCKS!
Porcine
· 1 year ago
Stockstill?
LostDog
· 1 year ago
The best canidate that i can think of thats a proven winner, even at a less proclaimed football school, is Jim Grobe, for years i have thought of him as the best Game Day coach in recent history.
LostDogg
· 1 year ago
And also, would really organize the Clemson personnel and utilize the talent thats at this school. Yes i do think they have the setting and of course the money for Grobe to leave Wake Forest.
LostDogg
· 1 year ago
Yes i must agree, i really love Stockstill, good organizer and knows the school, great recruiter, not to mention, giving a good showing at MTSU.
All Comments
Tech sure seems to have shot themselves in the foot by telling Leach to wait.
It will be an interesting end to the season, and early off-season, with some of the high-profile jobs.
Tuberville isn't going anywhere this year, unless he loses his last 4 games. Then we might talk...
I don't know if I like the idea of Muschamp at Auburn, assuming a vacancy... Don't know if he's quite ready for prime time yet...
That was a good article you wrote in http://www.trackemtigers.com/ today.
By the way im in denial according to the survey.
I'm drinking heavily...
Adios Tomcat
BTW my in-laws are now driving a Dodge dynasty after the Izuzu Rodeo got repossessed- that ought to make ya laugh-what's next who knows
By the way, were I an Auburn fan, I would have selected "E": Bitterly disappointed, but still behind the team. I work with a guy in Rad-Protection who is one such character.
OK, so Auburn is not going to the NC; so, they're relegated as being placed into the spoiler role. Take solace in knowing Auburn can at least impact, if not shape entirely, the NC picture. That, my friend, is worthy of something besides just another drink.
http://www.al.com/sports/birminghamnews/kscarbi...
I'm not so sure the Clemson admin will listen too much to the fans. I wouldn't. In 5 years no one will remember who the fans wanted anyway. By that time, all the fans will want to know is "what is he doing for us now."
So, as long as Clemson admin feels they have made a good choice, it won't matter too much if the fans want Muschamp. Therefore, I expect Clemson will go after a proven coach like Leach with a solid record who can produce quickly and for an extended period of time.
What about Mike Gundy though? His stock is high. He's proven he can win, and TDP hired him in the first place.
I can see him on the sideline right now. One eyebrow raised, as he tries to muster up the brainpower required, to figure out how to slow down the opposition's tremendous pass rush. I hope that he can bring in the rest of his staff also - it'll be hilarious. Now, that's a movie that ought to be made. I'd pay to go watch that one. "Ernest goes to Clemson". Classic!
If it comes down to money, he will not leave. Our athletic director will pay him whatever he wants.
If it comes down to a better opportunity, it is a toss up. I really do no believe a job at clemson is a better opportunity. We are pretty much a one sport school at the moment at Tech, and well lets put it this way. If leach ran for mayor, he would win in a landslide. I think the reason Leach will never leave is that other teams have a problem putting this man as the face of their program. Down here, we simply do not care. He can do whatever he wants in good ole' WEST TEXAS.
Clemson's colors? Burnt orange?
Sure doesn't look like it from outsider's perspective.
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A few years back when we played Tennessee in the Peach Bowl a reporter asked Bowden a question referring to the team wearing "electric orange" and the team wearing "burnt orange". His response indicated that he thought that we wore "electric orange". The reporter informed him that Clemson wears "burnt orange" so he changed his answer. I can't find it anywhere right now, but it was pretty funny. Hopefully our next coach will be a little more familiar with the colors that we wear.
...learn something new everyday...
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So, who are you liking for CU's next HC?
Gundy? (...or does he just get your blessing)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ole_Miss_Rebels
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMU_Mustangs
I really don't know. Gundy would be alright. I like Gary Patterson. Muschamp seems good, but he's a bit unproven. Todd Graham (if he brought Malzahn with him) would probably be good. I like that Bobby Johnson is a Clemson guy, but I don't think he's proven enough really at all. I actually have faith in our AD to make the right call. I guess if I had to choose, I'd either pick Patterson or Graham.
I see. I was going by this cite:
http://www.1122productions.com/tradition/colors/
"...Mississippi: navy blue, cardinal red
From Mississippi's athletics site: In 1893, when Ole Miss' first football team was in training for a five-game season, Dr. A.L. Bondurant, organizer and manager-coach, later recalled that "The team had much discussion as to the colors that should be adopted, but it was finally suggested by the manager that the union of the Crimson of Harvard and the Navy Blue of Yale would be very harmonious, and that it was well to have the spirit of both of these good colleges." These were adopted as the football colors, and have since been adopted by the University as its athletic colors.
Author's note: the red has since moved to a cardinal red..."
Also, the red they wear is definitely NOT crimson. But I did check their official site, and it recites the Harv/Yale history bit. Anyway....much adieu about nothing, right?
I like Steve Martin (Bobby Johnson). It would be very interesting to see what he could do with CU's talent.
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...and Clemson definitely does NOT wear burnt orange, but that's what they call it. That's more like Texas' orange.
Anyway, I really like Bobby Johnson, but I just don't know if he's the guy to take "good to great". We've had the guy that got us to good, but now we need the "good to great" guy. Those are much more rare and hard to come by. Johnson has done well this season, but losing to Duke isn't going to look good to our administration. Although, before this season, Duke's last ACC victory was years ago against Clemson. I don't know. I know I'm not qualified to make the call, and I really hope that TDP makes the right one.
BTW yalls orange is a shade lighter than Texas Orange is alittle darker shade of the same
http://www.clemson.edu/ows/guide/colors.html
Orange - Hex FF6633
Purple - Hex 330066
http://www.dbcworld.in/wsc/FF6633.html
http://www.dbcworld.in/wsc/330066.html
I haven't made up my mind who I think might be ya'lls best fit. There are some good ones out there at the moment. I think you are going to have a lot to look forward too.
Todd Grahmn took Rice in his first year from 1-11 to 7-5 thats at Rice, now he is undefeated in his second year at Tulsa, he takes small programs and makes complete turnaround- one of the best IMHO
stay away from Muschamp
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Peterson has been with Boise St. since 2001, so I'm sure he's been winning with many of his own recruits. That includes a conference championship and a Fiesta Bowl win over a superior Oklahoma team. Peterson also earned his way to the head coaching position. As wide receivers coach at Oregon, his receivers set school records. In his 5 seasons as OC for BSU, his offense finished in the top 15 four times (top 10 three times) and he was two-time Broyles award finalist.
Aside from Bill Cowher, Rich Rodriguez, Mike Leach, Mike Gundy, or some other head coach that Clemson can't get, who do you think has proven themselves more than Kiffin or Peterson? You seem to like Graham, even though he hasn't even won a C-USA conference title yet, let a lone beat anybody good. And you seem to like Patterson, even though he's never beaten anybody outside of a tier-2 conference. That kind of success reminds me of Tommy Bowden's success at Tulane. Your reasoning seems inconsistent.
Petersen at Boise State:
2008 - beat Oregon, haven't lost yet and probably won't because their schedule is worse than Byrnes High School's
2007 - beat no one that matters, lost to Hawai'i, ECU, and Washington
2006 - beat Oklahoma, Oregon State, and Utah
2006 was done all with Dan Hawkins' players.
If our schedule were littered with the Louisiana Techs, Hawai'is, Southern Mississippis, and San Jose States of the world, then I'd say sure, let's take him. The reality is that it isn't. So, to me, he hasn't proven enough. Does one win with someone else's guys really qualify you to be the head coach at Clemson? It shouldn't.
Patterson at TCU:
2000 - 10-2 record against a bunch of no one cares
2001 - 6-6 with losses to Nebraska, Texas A&M
2002 - 10-2 with losses to Cincy, ECU; wins over Colorado St. Northwestern, Louisville
2003 - 11-1 with losses to Southern Miss, Boise; wins over Navy, Vandy, Arizona, S.Florida, Cincy
2004 - 5-6 terrible season, blowout loss to Texas Tech
2005 - 11-1 with wins over Oklahoma, BYU, Utah, Iowa State
2006 - 11-2 with losses to BYU, Utah; wins over Texas Tech, N. Illinois Colorado State
2007 - 8-5 with losses to Texas and MWC top teams; win over Baylor
2008 - 8-1 with loss to Oklahoma; blowout wins over Stanford, BYU
Now, consider that he did all of this with a Texas team that has to take a back seat in recruiting to the Big XII powers both in state and to the north. His current recruiting class rivals Clemson's. I don't think that his record is sparkling, but to say that he's never beaten anybody outside of a tier-2 conference is extremely wrong. He has even beaten Oklahoma, which seems to be Petersen's claim to fame. If you'll look at his resume, Oklahoma is hardly the only one from a BCS conference. The others may not be that impressive, but Texas Tech isn't too shabby. My point is that if you compare Petersen to Patterson, it's no contest.
I'd love to have Rodriguez, but that's not even worthy of discussion, since the probability is so low. Bill Cowher is a joke of a rumor. I hope Leach stays as far away from Clemson as possible. I would take Gundy, but he's probably set where he is. I'm not a big fan of Kiffin because I don't care to see the WC offense at Clemson, but if he's better than I think he's proven, then fine. I don't really have a problem with him. I'm just not convinced at all. I like Graham but that's really only because I like watching his team play. The guy isn't qualified at all, but I'd love to see an offense as electrifying as that wearing orange in Death Valley on Saturdays. Bud Foster might be a good one. He's certainly proven himself on the defensive side of the ball. Butch Davis would be good, but probably wouldn't jump ship from Chapel Hill right now. If it were up to me, I'd love to keep Swinney as head coach, and have him hire Bobby Bentley as the OC, and Bobby Johnson as the DC. I know that won't happen, but I can hope.
For me, the bottom line is this. Petersen is not as good of a hire as Patterson at all, and there is a lot of history to back that up. Kiffin might be alright, and so might Muschamp. So might a lot of other people. I just really don't want to replicate the Bowden hire, and that seems exactly like what Petersen would be.
But again, unless Petersen didn't do any recruiting since he arrived in 2001, then I don't think it's exactly fair to say that Petersen has been winning with Dawkins' recruits. BSU's current (undefeated) 2-deep has several freshmen and sophomores, including their RS freshman QB and their second leading RB (sophomore). But apparently BSU hasn't really beaten anybody besides Oklahoma.
Texas's leftovers are probably 1000 times better than Idaho's finest, so I'm not buying the argument that Patterson did-more-with-less argument.
But Patterson did have a couple good wins. On the other hand, he scares me because his teams have been up & down and good & bad against the BCS. That reminds me of another coach that Clemson recently had; a guy who was a big fish at a little pond at Tulane.
Gotta love Swinney beating BC!
What was your take on Muschamp vs. Leach tonight and how that could turn out for us?
We can certainly stop talking about Graham/Malzahn now. That loss to the Hogs was rather pedestrian.
Man, that game in Chestnut Hill was a little too exciting for me. If we could get Harper to stop throwing picks, and figure out how to punt better than a middle school team, we'd be pretty good. Everything other than that looked a lot better. CJ has really emerged as a leader, and it appears as if Davis is fading off into the sunset for whatever reason. It really seems to me that when we utilize Tyler Grisham, we win, but maybe that's just me. I'd really like to see Korn as much as possible for the rest of the season. The way that Harper threw those picks for seemingly no reason, it wouldn't break my heart to not see him again this season. Anyway, it was a good win, and hopefully we can get at least 5 more.
Harper's 3 INTs were unforgiveable, as they have been throughout the season. I just don't understand how his passing could have degraded so much since last season. He has no chance at the NFL. It's time to try Korn-- especially against FSU's over-pursuing defense and pass rush.
I could see the FSU game going either way. If Clemson shoots itself in the foot with interceptions and penalties, it'll be a long day. We can't turn it over 4 times to FSU and expect to win in Doak. If Clemson plays well, I think Clemson has a decent chance. Clemson really needs to contain and sack Ponder. He's slippery like Skinner, and I'm afraid he'll scramble for first downs like Skinner did to Clemson. Hopefully the defense is now healthy enough to stop him.
I didn't know about the issues Leach is facing with his contract at TX Tech, if indeed there are issues. That said, in the other thread I honestly didn't see him booking for WA. However, it wouldn't surprise me, if he took the Clemson job, if offered.
I'm not sure about Gundy or Patterson, and you can keep Holtz; in my opinion, he's just a name. Those of you pre-nixing Appy's Jerry More, or Boise's Chris Peterson should reconsider. There's a hell of a lot of potential there, and Peterson could last for years.
Skip Holtz isn't our guy. The Fightin' Catholics can have him after King Hippo moves on. As for Petersen, there's no way that a scientologist coaches at Clemson.
What is it about Patterson that you don't like?
...or Rodriguez
Muschamp = Works for me.
Foster = Works for me.
Holtz = Meh. Not sold yet.
Leach = NO, for the love of all that is good and holy keep this sob away.
Kiffin = Longshot, but works for me.
Johnson = Not sold until he brings Vandy to a bowl.
Tuberville = Could work, but I don't think he'll want to make the jump.
Patterson = I don't know enough about him.
Rodriguez = I would really like him at Clemson, but I don't see it happening.
Gundy = Wait and see how the Pokes finish out...
How do I know this? We have a lot of "party fans" at my school. I'm considering some method of hooking up their aluminum seats, to electric cattle prods.
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Check this out if you do not believe me about Muschamp: http://www.mackbrown-texasfootball.com/sports/m...