Fanblogs.com: Could an undefeated Southern Cal miss the BCS?
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
The irony when the SEC KILLS Oklahoma...
And echoes of an historical BCS busting year, look at the non AQ conferences this year!
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
I think that after 2004, voters in the human polls would give it serious consideration...
But so much of CFB is based on precedent, and something like that is unprecedented...
Not to say that I wouldn't agree with it...
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
I can already see the headlines, "LSU nips Oklahoma 17-14, USC dismantles Penn State 55-7, teams split National Championship". Once again - the BCS has done "the Job".
Lennie Collins
· 1 year ago
What if the headlines read...Oklahoma beats Georgia 28 - 27 and Southern California beats Ohio State...again 35 - 3?
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
Lennie:
If that were the case, then there would not be a split, and USC would have simply been "shafted all the way around". Clearly, if pounding a team once didn't do the trick, then pounding them a second time isn't gonna help much either. Funny, back in 05', Texas beats an Ohio State team and rides that right into the BCS National Championship game. In 06' Ohio State returns the favor on Texas and rides that into the game. Now, all of a sudden the rules have changed. Because no defense is ever played in the Big 12 - we now consider that that is a great conference. Well, so be it. The SEC Champ will pound whichever team it is that shows up and we'll just destroy whatever Big 10 team ends up in the Rose Bowl. I don't suspect that the Pac 10 Champion will ever play an SEC Champion, no matter what, anyway. That is something that can never be. It would be akin to finding life in Outer Space. They'd never tell you if they did.
Lennie Collins
· 1 year ago
I am amazed that after the SEC top teams have played 3 games(at least) and Southern California after 2 games has already been picked to play in the National Title Game. I guess defense is only played in the Pacific - 10? Can all the games be played first before everyone starts saying who did what and who deserves what. I can't control you or anyone else BUT I am gonna wait till the final regular season game is played before I start saying who should go where!
OU_Ron
· 1 year ago
Tommy, all this talk is just BS anyway, we have to get by TCU and conference play, and SC has to get by stanford and conference play, still way to early to be arguing, but it makes for good reading anyway......;-)
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
OU_Ron:
The reality is is that we're all still talkin' about a playoff. There is no way that USC, a Big 12 Champ or an SEC Champ should not have a chance to win the Championship. In fact, there are probably at least two others in those conferences, along with winners of other conferences that should have an opportunity. This whole BCS thing is just such garbage. It's never gonna get the two very best teams on the field. I can find flaws all over the system. It might even be best to just let the voters vote on it. The BCS computers cannot figure in "style points" anyway. So, they are automatically gonna give the same credit to Oklahoma beating Iowa State by 21 as Southern Cal beating Oregon State by 35. This whole deal is terribly flawed anyway. And, I'm not so sure that any losses have to rule you out. Just because Oklahoma loses one game to say Texas - does that really make them worse than an undefeated USC? I don't think it does. Might just mean that Texas is better than both of them - but Texas may have two losses or at least one. So, how will you ever really know without that playoff?
OU_Ron
· 1 year ago
Agreed, and by the way this season is starting out, I would say there is going to be a lot of pissed off fans by the end of the season. I say just win your conference and go to a BCS bowl, (win it or not, at least your team is good enough to get there) and if it's the NC game, more power to ya..........
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
For Tulsa it might not be that easy.
OU_Ron
· 1 year ago
You're right Ben, but I'm only concerned about the Big XII, I don't worry about the the others until it's time to worry......at the end of the season....
OU_Fan
· 1 year ago
I agree only there will be no loss to Iowa State due to the fact that Iowa State is not on OU's schedule this year.
1Tomcat
· 1 year ago
Ya get ready because TCU already beat Stanford and beat them last year too. Hookem-Horns Lennie for president- Why the hell not? All joking aside the TCU Frogs are alot better team that the Sooners have faced so far this season, yall got the edge and the game is at Norman. The Frogs have a good chance its #2 vs #24 and on any Saturday anything can happen Adios Tomcat
rs617261
· 1 year ago
Based on the quality of competition in this scenario, coupled with 3 OSU disasters (FU, LSU, and USC), I would easily vote for the Sooners. It isnt even close. If you guys take down an SEC team, you have my vote. Too bad it doesnt count for anything.
TW
· 1 year ago
Don't worry when the Ducks beat WSU next week the duck will be back in the top 25, seeing as they are 26th right now. Cal will probably slip back in there too before you play them. USC will make it to the NC. Those SEC teams will beat each other up and someone will have to lose a game. Same with the Big 12. The bigger question is who is going to finish 2nd in the Pac Ten and get the shaft from the Rose Bowl?
Dawgman4
· 1 year ago
Even with a loss all of the ranked SEC teams should qualify for the NC game USC has 0 in strength of schedule OSU has sucked for the last few years and managed to get to the big game only to be POUNDED into what they really are,nothing. If you want a real solution to this just put everybody in the top ten on each others schedule and lets see who REALLY deserves to be called CHAMPS divisions mean nothing to me when USC,OSU,OU,MIS.dont play anybody anyway so think real hard on this and see how right I am the SEC will WIN the NC this year and you can take that to the bank.IF the computer makes it happen,HA,HA
Lennie Collins
· 1 year ago
If USC doesn't make it...they can always join the NFL. Oops...I forgot that Los Angeles will not support a NFL team!
AdamAL
· 1 year ago
Well, I just wish that the best teams could have it out on the feild instead of pollsters deciding the matchups. I know the play off drum has been beaten loudly, but what about waithing untill about week 8 to realse polls? Think, by week 8 we could have seen each of the top teams tested pretty well and determine a more acurate top 25. As is a team in the polls doesn't come out unless it loses. What about OSU? Would they be in your top 15? They are where they are because of preseason polls. I think that my beloved 'bama is far to high considering the schedule they've played so far. give me the next two weeks with Georgia and Kentucky and then I'll beleive the hype. We always jump to quik on a team that shows up well coached and fired up. Play that way the whole season and then we know what we have. I personally hope that if AL goese unbeaten, we get a crack at USC. who else is there to prove your self against? If there is a NC game that doesn't include an unbeaten USC it a rip off. BUt the same could be said for and unbeaten Big 12 or SEC team. heck just set up a 16 team playoff and lets crown a real champion!!!!!!!
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
Flag on the play: Playoff Warning. We DON'T DISCUSS PLAYOFFS UNTIL THE OFF SEASON. The next time will result in a 10 yard penalty and an instant messaging session with TE after he's had Jaeger and Ettoufee...
May I have your attention: All Alabama fans new to fanblogs please report to the embarcation area next to the first aid station in section 42 of the main concourse. Thank You!!
Regan
· 1 year ago
Second.
I have a whole folder.
badgerballer
· 1 year ago
I will pour lemon juice mixed with Tabasco into my eyes, swallow a lit M-80, shave my head with a cheese grater while chewing on aluminum foil if I'm forced to watch OU play in a BCS game again this year.
which probably means I'd better stock up on the Visine, Pepto Bismol, Parmesean, and Renolds Wrap - b/c its likely to happne
OU_Ron
· 1 year ago
Good Idea, LMAO
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
Oh...That aluminum foil really hurts my fillings...
Funny!
Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
I'd much rather watch Oklahoma than Ohio State.
ChineseBandit
· 1 year ago
Badger, I had no idea you yankees were so masochistic. Tell us how you really feel !!!
lbu828694
· 1 year ago
In december well be arguing which one-loss team should be in the "championship" game
Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
Your Nittany Lions look really good right now. I've got money on them this weekend. I, obviously, hope they continue to look good against Illinois.
AUtigerman
· 1 year ago
Well its not really USCs fault that the Pac10 is so weak.
But i doubt that an SEC team will go undefeated. Florida probably has the best shot based on there schedule. But even if they win out they get to face the west champ in Georgia.
I know that it sounds bias but i just think its tougher to win in the SEC.
ChineseBandit
· 1 year ago
AUTigerman...you couldn't be more right. Les Miles said as much in the summer of '07 and the west coast media went BERZERK !!!!!!!
And no it's not USC's fault their conference is lame. But conversely, USC should not regard an undefeated season on their part as an automatic Pass to the BCS Championshjp Game.
Usually a lurker around here, but i'll jump in on this
With the changes to the BCS since 2003, a repeat of the debacle of that year and the split championship it provided is just about impossible now.
In 2003, the human polls were diluted enough by other factors that it was possible for USC, #1 in both polls, to be leapfrogged for the national title game. The BCS got a major revamp after that year to make sure it wouldn't happen again
nowadays, the human polls are by far the most important consideration in the BCS mix. There is simply no way a #1 team in the polls could be leapfrogged and miss out on a trip to the title game.
Voters likely won't drop USC in the polls as long as USC is mopping the floor with its Pac Ten competition. Georgia beating Alabama by two touchdowns won't get them to leapfrog USC if USC beats Oregon State by 4 touchdowns, and so forth. As long as USC LOOKS like the #1 team in the nation, they will almost certainly stay there by virtue of the whopping of Ohio State.
What could get the voters to look at it again is if USC starts having a series of close wins over much lesser teams like Stanford and Arizona and Oregon State. If Georgia or Oklahoma are winning their own games by big margins, that's when you could see the Trojans getting jumped.
Now, that is exactly what has happened to the trojans every year under Pete Carroll, so it's certainly not far-fetched to think that it would happen again this year. But if Pete is smart (which he is), he'll realize this and use this to get the trojans pumped for every game, because every game needs to be a statement game for them now.
a couple other considerations:
- Who is the Big XII champion we're talking about here? If it's Oklahoma, will voters hold the Sooners' recent BCS-bowl collapses against them?If it's Missouri, do you REALLY think the voters are going to vote an upstart program who only has two years of success under their belt over one of the premier programs in college football history? In some ways, an undefeated Penn State team might be more dangerous to jump USC in the polls, especially if they destroy Ohio State the same way that USC did.
- Don't think for a second that USC won't play a ranked team again, polls are in flux every week, and do you really think that the pac ten (apart from USC) will stay out of the top 25 all year?
My guess is that if USC, an SEC team, and a Big XII team all go undefeated, it will be USC and the SEC team in the National Championship game
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
Rio Jay:
I like your post. Everything that you mentioned is very correct - except that the # 1 team in the polls could not be "jumped" by the computers. This can still happen. Now, clearly, the voters are the only group that can measure "style points" - and they will. So USC could end up at # 1 with an unbeaten season. But, with an SOS that is very weak, then it is possible that the computers could put two different teams (with very strong SOS) on top of them. Your assertion that SOS is gonna change every week is quite correct. And, it is possible that the PAC SOS could rise somewhat by season's end. It sure would help if they would win some games though. As I mention the idea that Oklahoma had lost four straight BCS bowl games - you seem to be the only one that understands that this will effect the voters only. The computers will not have this to consider. But, by season's end and there is a choice to be made, my point was that this would be a consideration by alot of voters - and I think that it should be. You have some pretty good thoughts there. I would only consider Oklahoma or Texas for a title game shot out of the Big 12, myself.
Regan
· 1 year ago
It is in everyone's best interest for an undefeated SEC Champ to face an undefeated Southern Cal in the NC Game.
Such a game would have to end up shutting at least someone up...
GA_Boy
· 1 year ago
Ben I like that North-South conference suggestion. That would make for some really good games.
OxfordAndrew
· 1 year ago
I can't really see any SEC team going undefeated this year, so this is probably a moot point.
Then again, USC always shows up to pound the big boys just to get nipped sometimes by a Stanford or Cal.... 2 or 3 one loss teams seems just as likely as 3 undefeated teams, so we could get another fun BCS controversy regardless....
OU_Fan
· 1 year ago
This is the bottom line: Say if OU goes throught the Big 12 undefeated and I do mean if, they should be one of the teams that is playing for the national title. If the Sooners go undefeated, they will have beaten Texas, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, Nebraska, Kansas State, and Mizzou. 4 of those teams mentioned have some of the most explosive offenses in all of college football this year. If Oklahoma can contain and beat those explosive offensive teams, I can't really see any other team right now that could just flat out woop the Sooners. Neither USC nor Florida. Not to mention that based on these 1st three games, Oklahoma has a pretty darn good offense. But thats not the point. The point is if OU goes through the Big 12 undefeated, they should play for the national championship. If an SEC team makes it through the SEC undefeated, they should be the other team playing for the national championship. If USC is undefeated and the SEC has a 1 loss LSU/Florida/Georgia team, USC should go to the national title game. Sorry, but I'm not sold on the fact that a 1/2 loss SEC team deserves to go to the national championship even if there are other BCS teams that are undefeated. Hopefully, this will be the year that the BCS allows the 2 most deserving teams to make it to the national championship. Past bowl game performances should not be a factor in deciding whom deserves to play in the big game. The only factor that should be considered is the present. However, OU has played only 3 games this year. Right now, I just want OU to lay it down on the Horned Frogs. We have to take it one game at a time. Looking ahead will only bring trouble. There are several great teams in college football this year. May the best team win...........................BOOMER!!
PrinceMarko
· 1 year ago
You are right.
Scenario:
OU goes undefeated Georgia/LSU/FLorida goes undefeated USC goes undefeated
Strength of schedule goes to OU and SEC undefeated champ hands down.
Regan
· 1 year ago
No way. Not with the LA hype machine in high-gear.
Geez that city needs a pro team...
ugazag
· 1 year ago
One thing we can all be thankful for is that Ohio State will not be in the equation this year.
rs617261
· 1 year ago
I know some things about this system (ie, polls, etc), but other aspects still mystify me. However, I would think that if it were to come down to an undefeated OU team, an undefeated SEC team, and an undefeated USC, the championship game would be awarded to OU-SEC. USC would be left out, IMO. I would be pissed if I were a USC fan, but there simply isnt enough good competition for those guys.
BayouBoyinGA
· 1 year ago
Maybe if USC moved to the SEC we can quite second guessing and they can just ear a spot by going undefeated. Heck I would give them a spot with one loss if they were in the SEC. ;o)
PrinceMarko
· 1 year ago
Uh, two teams in the SEC cannot go 13-0. Only an Oklahoma vs SEC matchup could spoil USC BCS hopes... Even then, I dont think the polls puts Oklahoma over USC.
AUtigerman
· 1 year ago
The SOS factor is even hard for a computer to figure. Heres my point. The SEC had 5 teams in the top 10 last week. Now we have 4 and after this week likely only 3. Then Georgia and LSU will play and lose another , Florida and Georgia play each other and lose another. And so on.
Then Vandy has to come along and throw another wrench in the equation. No way no how can any team not even USC can go into Auburn LSU Georgia Florida Bama week in week out and survive that.
All you SEC haters really just need to give yourself a treat and come to one of the LSU vs AU or Bama AU or Georgia florida games and the list goes on and on, The LSU game saturday was unreal the crowd was electric. Sorry guys just calling it the way i see it.
I grew up in Colorado and lived in California and Texas. Very few games out west can come close to matching the intensity of most games in the SEC. OSU Michigan sure ,but play that intense 5 times a year.
OU_Fan
· 1 year ago
AUtigerman, I'm not an SEC hater, I am just calling it like I see it. I have much respect for the SEC. OU had a series with Alabama during the 02-03 and 03-04 seasons. OU won both games back to back. I would love to see an OU-LSU/GA/FLA/AUB back to back series. Maybe we should try to get in contact with whom is responsible for making the schedules for these schools and see if they can make this happen. The thing is, do you think those teams I mentioned would be willing to make the trip up to Norman, OK where Bob Stoops has lost only 2 games since he took the head coaching position back in 1999? BOOMER!
AUtigerman
· 1 year ago
OU I suppose its possible. We are playing West Virginia on the road this year and then at home next year. But now that WVU has lost a couple games we have little to gain with a win and a lot to lose with a loss.
But truth be told i think it will become less and less likely that top level teams in top conferences ,SEC and Big 12 especially to schdule these games. Now the mid range teams Ole Miss, Miss State, to name a few may do it. But theres little to gain by Oklahoma playing LSU as an example. Ohio State pretty much lost any chance to fool voters into giving them another shot at the NC.
It can never be truly fair till theres a playoff of some sort and im affraid that probably will never happen.
Rio_Jay
· 1 year ago
i still maintain it's completely unrealistic for computers to leapfrog the voters #1 team anymore.
in 2003, polls weren't even half of the BCS consideration formula
nowadays, polls are 2/3 of the formula.
The BCS was "fixed" after that year. by any formula that has been used 2004 or since, the title game that year would have been #1 USC and #2 LSU.
for the computers to jump a #1 team, that team would have to be well outside of the top 5 in the computers. Which isn't realistic if we're talking about an undefeated BCS team.
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
Since 1964 until today:
USC's record against the Top six schools in the Big 12:
Colorado (14-21) - USC is (3-0), outscoring this team 78-17 or 26.0-5.7 per game. Texas Tech (16-16-2) - USC is (3-0), outscoring this team 93-30 or 31.0-10.0 per game. Texas A&M (19-15) - USC is (3-0), outscoring this team 98-35 or 32.7-11.7 per game. Texas (26-8) - USC is (2-1), outscoring this team 65-60 or 21.7-20.0 per game. Nebraska (34-14-1) - USC is (3-0-1), outscoring this team 129-83 or 32.3-20.8 per game. Oklahoma (68-13-4) - USC is (6-1-1), outscoring this team 205-114 or 25.6-14.3 per game.
Have these not been "the Greatest" Big 12 teams over the last many years? I think that they are. But, sadly, Southern Cal has beaten all of these teams down to the tune of (20-2-2) over all of these years. The combined score has favored USC in each game 27.8 to 14.1 ppg. It is incredible to me that anybody could make the case that a Big 12 team should go to a BCS Championship game over Southern Cal. BTW, there were many a great Big 12 team that was completely destroyed on game day. I know, this Trojan team probably is not as good, right? This is probably our # 25th best team - therefore a Big 12 team might have a chance, right? Fact is: one very great Texas team (2005 - # 1) and one very great Oklahoma team (1971 # 2 - only loss to # 1 Nebraska) were able to beat Southern Cal. It took two of the very greatest teams of all time to beat USC from the Big 12. And, that is it. There never has been another from these top six. So, college football fans, understand why it might be that no team from the Big 12 would ever deserve to play for the Championship over Southern Cal. Learn your history! Know of what you speak!
Lennie Collins
· 1 year ago
The Big 12 did not exist in the 70's. It started in 1996! It was called the Big 8. So it seems you don't know your history! Like Harold Melvin & the Bluenotes song...Be for real!
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
Lennie:
You just smooth blew that off, huh? Yes, Lennie, I know that some of those teams came from the old SWC. Nevertheless, they are all in your conference now, and they have all been getting their collective asses kicked forever. Deal with the facts.
Lennie Collins
· 1 year ago
Tommy Trojan...have you been up all night on a crack high? I could care less! You have been posting on here like crazy. You must not have anything going for you except USC winning. I could care less if Oklahoma win or lose. I am getting ready to go see my son play his first game this year. That's my high...man what is wrong with you! Time to shape up!
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
We'll give the SEC fans a treat here - just to show my fairness here:
USC's record against the SEC from 1964 until today:
Florida (17-6-1) - USC is (0-1-1), being outscored by this team 28-36 or 14.0-18.0 per game. L.S.U. (15-8-1) - USC is (1-1), being outscored by this team 20-35 or 10.0-17.5 per game. Alabama (48-10-2) - USC is (2-3), outscoring this team 99-97 or 19.8-19.4 per game. Auburn (27-11) - USC is (2-1), outscoring this team 54-33 or 18.0-11.0 per game. Tennessee (13-10) - USC is (2-0), outscoring this team 63-24 or 31.5-12.0 per game. Arkansas (31-25-2) - USC is (4-1), outscoring this team 175-63 or 35.0-12.6 per game.
Now, the overall record is only (11-7-2) while outscoring these opponents by 22.0-14.4 per game. Clearly, the SEC has given the USC Trojans a whole lot more trouble over the years than the Big 12 ever has. I cannot make the same argument against the SEC as I can against the Big 12. In fact, Florida, LSU and Alabama all either have a winning record against USC or have outscored them in head to head matchups, therefore making a great case for these SEC teams. Georgia, clearly in this class, would therefore have a case - even though they have not played Southern Cal at all over this time period. So, if it came down to the scenario that a Big 12 team was undisputed # 1, and the argument was for an SEC team over Southern Cal - then I could not be as adament to make my case as I would against the Big 12 if the scenario were to be reversed.
Lennie Collins
· 1 year ago
Tommy Trojan what is your malfunction. Have you gotten any sleep, eaten, or even went to work since this thread started? No one cares BUT Y-O-U! Like Soul II Soul song about about in 1990...Get A Life!
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
Lennie:
You seemed to care quite a bit - until you were presented with the facts. Like so many other "Ostrich's" on this blog, you are now gonna go bury your head in the sand, and pretend that what I just presented you with is not reality. Look it up: www.stassen.com - it's really real.
Lennie Collins
· 1 year ago
If I am not mistaken you talked this same non-sense last year before USC lost to Oregon. You came back but a little calmer. Then when they lost to Stanford it took you a long time to return. When Oklahoma losses I am on here quick. So the only ostrich on here is YOU!
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
Lennie:
If it will make you feel any better - we have won nine of the last ten against the Big 10 conference. In fact, between 1966-1986, we won an astonishing 28 out of 30 against the Big 10 conference. That included many Rose Bowls. So, your conference is probably just a step above the Big 10. I would make that claim for you.
Lennie Collins
· 1 year ago
Tommy Trojan...step away from the computer and drop the crack pipe!
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
Lennie:
Here's the point of this non-sense: you can quit blabbering about Oklahoma and the Big 12 conference at any time -WE OWN OKLAHOMA AND THE BIG 12 CONFERENCE - IT'S BEEN THAT WAY FOR A LONG LONG TIME!
Lennie Collins
· 1 year ago
Tommy Trojan...Crack is ruining your life! Please get off of it. There are people out there that care about you!
Lennie Collins
· 1 year ago
Tommy Trojan...you used to be beautiful. What happen to you? Crack has ruin you!
1Tomcat
· 1 year ago
Look Tommie T I'm glad your here, yall own the PAC thats it. Now the Trojans have only played 2 games others have played 4, yall dismanted UVa and tOSU now yall are undefeated just like Vanderbilt. ALL CAPs come on Tommie T ? Lennie is good people dogoneit ease up dude LOL
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
Tomcat:
Your the only one from the Big 12 that is allowed to give me any crap - as for the moment TEXAS OWNS US! I'll have mercy on poor Lennie if it so pleases you. I know you want to save his ass for yourself. Be my guest.
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
Lennie:
Yeh, after that Stanford loss - they would not let me out of my 5150 hold for about two weeks. I had to convince them that I would take my meds every day as prescribed. Well, as you can tell - I lied!
Lennie Collins
· 1 year ago
Tommy Trojan......how do you do it? Been high on crack the last 24 hours posting facts about USC. If USC is so dominate like you want them to be...why do they only have 1 National Title since 2000? Tommy Trojan, I am pleading with you as a friend. Let loose the crack pipe and get away from the computer. It is gonna lead to a slow death for you!
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
Lennie:
I died somewhere in SE Asia many moons ago. All that's left to me are the USC Trojans - who dispatch of the enemy the way that they are supposed to be dealt with.
Lennie Collins
· 1 year ago
An enemy got away...the Stanford Cardinal(2007)!
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
Lennie:
Nope. I put the pipe down many years ago. I go with alcohol and high strength sedatives today. I find that this combination, allows me to be able to more effectively, have a relationship with my wife. In fact, she likes me a whole lot more when I'm just passed out lying somewhere out in the desert. The only problem is: sometimes when I come to, half of my face is missing, from all the food that the insects have dragged away. Other than that - I'm doing quite nicely, thank you!
Lennie Collins
· 1 year ago
Tommy Trojan what happen. You just went off! I thought that you were 1Tomcat converted into a USC Trojans fan. I still am wondering where you got this I hate USC. I don't even hate Texas or the fans and I am a Sooners fan living in Austin, Texas!
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
Lennie:
I was at 1st engaging some Sooner fan called "foiled". We were jousting quite well - when you asked in. Well, I asked you to go ahead and join in. I figured you were the guys "wing man". He cut out and headed back to refuel - while you were engaging the battle. I merely proceeded to shoot your ass down. Too bad I only got one kill on the day - but I'll take it. You better have a talk with your bro, as he completely left you vulnerable, and you were eventually destroyed. When you guys get back to "Fightertown", you better polish up your technique, before you head out into more real battle. It's dangerous out here.
Lennie Collins
· 1 year ago
If this question was asked of me...this is how I would answer!
Mister Collins...If USC went undefeated, Oklahoma went undefeated, and the SEC Champion went undefeated, do you think USC deserve to be left out?
"Yes!" "They deserve to be left out and I hope they burn in hell!"
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
Lennie:
Alright, now that's what I needed to hear. Just say that you hate the Trojans. You should, after all, we've been kickin' your ass forever. But, the honesty is very appealing. Just don't ever try and establish any logic and I'll be able to understand your viewpoint just fine. Hatred of "the Mighty Trojans" is enough for me. ALL HAIL!
Lennie Collins
· 1 year ago
Tommy Trojan...I don't hate or dislike the Trojans! I don't have any ill feelings towards you or any others different fans on here. I am not gonna lie to you, I think USC is over-hyped and over-hyped early in the season if that! I am Crimson & Cream True BUT I like good football regardless of team or conference!
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
Lennie:
I know you're havin' some laughs. So am I. Yes, the Trojans are over-hyped right now to have already been annointed. They've done the same thing for several years now. I remember when it was Oklahoma and White, USC and Leinart, Ohio State and Smith and all the way back for just about forever. The pundits always got to show how smart they are by trying to annoint some stupid team early on - so they can claim glory when it's all said and done with. Fact is: that annointed team rarely finishes the season as # 1. So, you do have that much going for you. And, it is very difficult for a team to live up to all that hype. So, don't be too disturbed. It's the Trojans that have to find a way to deal with all that distraction. I really don't like it anymore than you do. I wish Oklahoma was # 1 instead - at least until the last week of the season.
Lennie Collins
· 1 year ago
I picked Oklahoma and West Virginia to play in the National Title. Well that will not happen SO I hope it's Oklahoma and Southern California, N-O-W!
Rio_Jay
· 1 year ago
i'm so glad i chose this thread to end my lurking on *rolls eyes* - it's degenerated into a personal attack fest by one of the administrators (i think) onto someone who has a different viewpoint.
i thought fanblogs was better than this
Kevin @ Fanblogs
· 1 year ago
Did you miss the personal attack on the gymnastic uniforms? That was a good one too. ;-)
Unfortunately neither Tommy nor Lennie are mods, although they are definitely first-teamers.
Lennie Collins
· 1 year ago
Was it something I posted?
Rio_Jay
· 1 year ago
your name is linked back to the fanblogs site.
now that i look at it, several have it that way - but at first glance, i thought it meant you were associated with the site.
my apologies
Lennie Collins
· 1 year ago
You thought I was attacking Tommy Trojan opinion? That was my way of saying I am not gonna bow down and worship USC!
Rio_Jay
· 1 year ago
you called him on crack - several times.
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
Rio_Jay:
Hey, thanx for tryin' to be my "wing man" - but I fly solo. I can handle all of these "crackers" all on my lonesome. Been shootin' em' down for years. If your gonna be a Trojan on this blog - you better pack alot of ammunition and be prepared to shoot at anything that even begins to speak. Shoot first - ask questions later. Your on your own. I'll fly in once in awhile, blow some of these commies out of the sky, and be on my merry way. That's about all I can do for ya', kid. You'll just have to fly by the seat of your pants. You'll be fine - just don't stop pourin' lead into these guys.
Rio_Jay
· 1 year ago
appreciate the advice.
i wasn't trying to defend you, tommy.
i was responding to lennie's confusion about what i considered a personal attack.
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
Or, you can play nice. Our moderator, Kevin, does not often exercise his power of editing that I have seen. Usually when people get out of line the crowd simply pummels them into the ground.
Tommy does not play nice. Oh, and don't denigrate LSU's intelligence or bring up 2004. Thats it for the advice.
OU_Ron
· 1 year ago
Good job Ben, you have it down to a science.....
Lennie Collins
· 1 year ago
Would it have made you have a different view of me if I said he was chemically impaired?
Rio_Jay
· 1 year ago
we're cool, lennie
i just have a tendency to make the sarcastic comment about the thread as a whole - which is all i was trying to do - i wasn't trying to call you out.
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
I'm just saying Utah has some tradition to claim if the rumors are true they are going to black out against TCU...
TampaGator
· 1 year ago
LMAO!!!
You thought Lennie "Oklahoma Redneck" Collins was the moderator!?!?!?
What tipped you off? Let me guess...the tobacco juice between his posts and his avatar, right?
....oh my....(LMAO)...
I'm Sorry....that was just funnier'n hell....
GO GATORS!!
Lennie Collins
· 1 year ago
I have had my sexually and intellegence level attacked on here before BUT never in my 40 years of living I have been refered to has a Oklahoma Redneck!
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
No, no, that's sooooo not true. Lennie lives in Texas....
I don't suppose he's going to be your buddy, Lennie...
Lennie Collins
· 1 year ago
No, War Eagle Atlanta...I do not want any buddies!
1Tomcat
· 1 year ago
I thought I was you buddy ?
Lennie Collins
· 1 year ago
No, I don't want any!
1Tomcat
· 1 year ago
No now thats not funny Lennie doesnt use any drugs especially tobacco, he works at a hospital. I have to say that you owe my dear friend Lennie an apology. . . I dont like OU , but Lennie is good people man Go Frogs Sicem-Bears
TampaGator
· 1 year ago
I'm afraid no apology is forthcoming.
I'm pretty sure Lennie's a big boy; he can hold his own, and he's free to take a shot at me at his convenience.
As for what kind of people Lennie is--I don't know him from adam, and frankly, I don't think you do either, even if you think you do--so I'll take your conclusion that he's "good people" with the appropriate gain of salt. That said, I have nothing personal against Mr. Collins, the poster on Fanblogs. He's a solid, consistent, entertaining poster--that's all I know about him. Maybe the man behind the handle is a gentemen and a scholar to boot; maybe he is good people...then again, maybe he's a redneck. I don't know.
As for the "tobacco juice" comment--that was merely incidental to the redneck bit--not really directed at Lennie (now, if you really are seeing tobacco juice between his comments and his avatar...I suggest wiping your monitor....).
...but either way, I ain't buying the "righteous indignation" bit. If I did, I'd be disrespecting Lennie more than by hanging "redneck" on his handle.
He may or may not be a redneck; but I'm inclined to believe he is not a sniveling little baby. He certainly hasn't posted like one to date.
GO GATORS!!
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
Lennie:
If you look around you - too many got away. Lennie, this is no shit, I grew up as a teenager in a little town called Westminster, Cali. By the time I got home in 1974 - Little Saigon was firmly entrenched into my town. I kid you not. Look it up. It was the most unreal thing that I have ever witnessed. Been on the pipe ever since. But, I'll cut you boyz out there in the Midwest some slack now. I just think that maybe you ought to be aware of the facts. There has been many a great Oklahoma team try and fail here. My argument is to not get ahead of yourselves. Nothing much changes in college football - although everything else in the world does. I think that is why we enjoy it so much. You boyz have some very great teams out there in the midwest and always have. Those great Oklahoma, Texas and Nebraska programs, in their heyday, were on top of the heap. But, my team is the Rodney Dangerfield of college football - WE GET NO RESPECT! No matter what. Now, Ohio State is a horrible team because we beat them down. I would not be surprised at all, if they end up back at 11-1, and playing in a BCS Bowl game (Rose Bowl). But as you know, they can't be any good cause we just thrashed them 35-3, and it can't be that we're any good - it has to be that they are that bad. It doesn't help when they're whiny little fans get on here and start callin' for all the coaching staff to be fired. I haven't heard from any of them since. It's sure a good thing that they haven't wanted to fire Bob Stoops for some sputters in the road - he's building that program back up to where they are accustomed to being. I just think that they are just about 1-2 years away. If Bradford and Murray is there for the next two years - I definately see a National Championship for Oklahoma.
OU_Ron
· 1 year ago
Rio, who do you think the administrator is ??????
Rio_Jay
· 1 year ago
sorry - i thought lennie was a mod. my bad.
Lennie Collins
· 1 year ago
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! I have had it with these (edit) Texas Longhorns fans, (edit) USC Trojans fans and (edit) SEC fans on this (edit) blog!
Regan
· 1 year ago
College Football Season...
It turns grown men (and women) into children, makes 8-year olds look more rational by comparison as they stare at their parents in disbelief, and can make even the most die-hard Fanblogger scream at the top of his lungs.
I feel your pain, Lennie. :)
Rio_Jay
· 1 year ago
Well, i suppose that since i've delurked in this thread, and already been made fun of, i should give you all a proper introduction.
I am a 28 year old criminal prosecutor in New Mexico, and a major college football fan
I graduated from both USC (Undergrad) and Duke (law school), so i have strong rooting interests in those schools.
Other schools that i follow include UNM (local school), NM State (i occasionally teach at a branch campus), UVA (Grew up in UVA country), and Purdue (Sister graduated there).
I also commish, hand-score, and participate in a college football based fantasy football league on another internet site, so i additionally follow the teams that all my regular-starter fantasy players are on heavily as well. This year that includes Georgia Tech, LSU, Oklahoma, Texas Tech, etc.
Regan
· 1 year ago
Welcome to the party, Rio...it doesn't get more normal, BTW. :)
OU_Ron
· 1 year ago
Welcome aboard.........
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
How about those Lobos! Good game against Arizona!
With the law degree from Duke and placement in this thread, I am confused about which coast that USC you graduated from was on?
Rio_Jay
· 1 year ago
the west coast. University of Southern California
Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
Where is this fantasy football site for college football? Please link me up.
I'd like to welcome you as well. Duke is certainly improved this season. There's much to be excited about if you're a Blue Devil.
Rio_Jay
· 1 year ago
what I do is a hand-scored league run in a forum on a sports message board. It's not a fantasy football site for college football.
if someone around here was dedicated enough to want to set up something similar for 2009, i could certainly help them set it up. I don't have the time to organize a second one myself (though i might participate in it)
in addition, i am aware of a fantasy football site for college football: http://www.u-sports.com/ - I've heard good reviews about it, but it is a pay site and i've worked to keep my league free, so i don't have any first hand experience with it
Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
I was just discussing the semantics of such a thing with some friends about a week ago. I'd love to know how you pull it off. Do you restrict the players to certain teams/conferences? How many players on a team? Basically any and all information that you're willing to share would be much appreciated.
Rio_Jay
· 1 year ago
sure...
we use the BCS conferences plus Notre Dame.
26 players on a team.
Here are the full rules (actually, these rules haven't been updated for a couple years, but here they are in basic form) http://soulten.googlepages.com/rules
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
USC has a strangle hold on the #1 spot this week.
How much of that is lost to the Georgia-Alabama winner? I think Georgia would get a good share of #1 if they win this week.
Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
You indirectly bring up a great point. If Alabama wins, they more than likely will not be #1, and will probably not get many #1 votes. However, would there be a more impressive resume at this point in the season than Alabama's? I certainly don't think so.
GeauxTigers0107
· 1 year ago
It's okay Rio. Actually, the moderators are used on a round robin-type rotation that is flip flopped every other 3rd friday of the odd month. It's quite simple.
Geaux Tigers Geaux SEC
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
And as it turns out, it's Rio's turn this Friday...
Nothing like getting thrown into the fire to learn how hot it is...
m2daw
· 1 year ago
USC has a weak schedule. Ohio St. is the only ranked team they play all year (Ohio State almost got beat by Troy last week). The rest of the top ten teams play 3 or 4 ranked teams so if the SEC champion and big 12 champion go undefeated USC deserves to sit on the side line
GeauxTigers0107
· 1 year ago
Well now that he's confessed to having a law degree from Duke w/ undergrad studies at SC, something tells me he might be able to handle it...lol.
Welcome aboard Rio-D-Jay.
Geaux Tigers Geaux SEC
Mars
· 1 year ago
No. They couldn't.
In fact, USC was better than LSU last year.
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
Ok, explain how you figured that one? I am curious. Looks like In opinion not In fact.
John H
· 1 year ago
Pete: Do us all a favor. The next time you get a perverse urge, instead of throwing an effigy of one of your players off a ten story building, throw yourself off and end the aggravation. By the way, enjoy Oregon State
GA_Boy
· 1 year ago
Does USC get left out of the BCS title game if they lose to Oregon State, there are no other undefeated teams except BYU, and a 1 loss SEC, Big 10, or BIg 12 champion? Cause this ain't looking good.
Lennie, since I had such little interest in this thread topic, I just read it through today. That was some of the funniest sparring I have ever seen with Tommie T. I thought that joker never gives up but you hung right in there with him. Note of interest--I am not trying to be your buddy. Just making an observation.
By the way, DAWGS will beat the crap out of the Tide Saturday. Go to the bank and take the max that your ATM card will let you get out, call your bookie, lay the 7 points, and you still win by 10 if you bet on the DAWGS. I will post my score tomorrow. GO DAWGS!!!
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And echoes of an historical BCS busting year, look at the non AQ conferences this year!
But so much of CFB is based on precedent, and something like that is unprecedented...
Not to say that I wouldn't agree with it...
If that were the case, then there would not be a split, and USC would have simply been "shafted all the way around". Clearly, if pounding a team once didn't do the trick, then pounding them a second time isn't gonna help much either. Funny, back in 05', Texas beats an Ohio State team and rides that right into the BCS National Championship game. In 06' Ohio State returns the favor on Texas and rides that into the game. Now, all of a sudden the rules have changed. Because no defense is ever played in the Big 12 - we now consider that that is a great conference. Well, so be it. The SEC Champ will pound whichever team it is that shows up and we'll just destroy whatever Big 10 team ends up in the Rose Bowl. I don't suspect that the Pac 10 Champion will ever play an SEC Champion, no matter what, anyway. That is something that can never be. It would be akin to finding life in Outer Space. They'd never tell you if they did.
The reality is is that we're all still talkin' about a playoff. There is no way that USC, a Big 12 Champ or an SEC Champ should not have a chance to win the Championship. In fact, there are probably at least two others in those conferences, along with winners of other conferences that should have an opportunity. This whole BCS thing is just such garbage. It's never gonna get the two very best teams on the field. I can find flaws all over the system. It might even be best to just let the voters vote on it. The BCS computers cannot figure in "style points" anyway. So, they are automatically gonna give the same credit to Oklahoma beating Iowa State by 21 as Southern Cal beating Oregon State by 35. This whole deal is terribly flawed anyway. And, I'm not so sure that any losses have to rule you out. Just because Oklahoma loses one game to say Texas - does that really make them worse than an undefeated USC? I don't think it does. Might just mean that Texas is better than both of them - but Texas may have two losses or at least one. So, how will you ever really know without that playoff?
Hookem-Horns
Lennie for president- Why the hell not?
All joking aside the TCU Frogs are alot better team that the Sooners have faced so far this season, yall got the edge and the game is at Norman.
The Frogs have a good chance its #2 vs #24 and on any Saturday anything can happen
Adios Tomcat
May I have your attention: All Alabama fans new to fanblogs please report to the embarcation area next to the first aid station in section 42 of the main concourse. Thank You!!
I have a whole folder.
which probably means I'd better stock up on the Visine, Pepto Bismol, Parmesean, and Renolds Wrap - b/c its likely to happne
Funny!
But i doubt that an SEC team will go undefeated. Florida probably has the best shot based on there schedule. But even if they win out they get to face the west champ in Georgia.
I know that it sounds bias but i just think its tougher to win in the SEC.
And no it's not USC's fault their conference is lame. But conversely, USC should not regard an undefeated season on their part as an automatic Pass to the BCS Championshjp Game.
So is this
With the changes to the BCS since 2003, a repeat of the debacle of that year and the split championship it provided is just about impossible now.
In 2003, the human polls were diluted enough by other factors that it was possible for USC, #1 in both polls, to be leapfrogged for the national title game. The BCS got a major revamp after that year to make sure it wouldn't happen again
nowadays, the human polls are by far the most important consideration in the BCS mix. There is simply no way a #1 team in the polls could be leapfrogged and miss out on a trip to the title game.
Voters likely won't drop USC in the polls as long as USC is mopping the floor with its Pac Ten competition. Georgia beating Alabama by two touchdowns won't get them to leapfrog USC if USC beats Oregon State by 4 touchdowns, and so forth. As long as USC LOOKS like the #1 team in the nation, they will almost certainly stay there by virtue of the whopping of Ohio State.
What could get the voters to look at it again is if USC starts having a series of close wins over much lesser teams like Stanford and Arizona and Oregon State. If Georgia or Oklahoma are winning their own games by big margins, that's when you could see the Trojans getting jumped.
Now, that is exactly what has happened to the trojans every year under Pete Carroll, so it's certainly not far-fetched to think that it would happen again this year. But if Pete is smart (which he is), he'll realize this and use this to get the trojans pumped for every game, because every game needs to be a statement game for them now.
a couple other considerations:
- Who is the Big XII champion we're talking about here? If it's Oklahoma, will voters hold the Sooners' recent BCS-bowl collapses against them?If it's Missouri, do you REALLY think the voters are going to vote an upstart program who only has two years of success under their belt over one of the premier programs in college football history? In some ways, an undefeated Penn State team might be more dangerous to jump USC in the polls, especially if they destroy Ohio State the same way that USC did.
- Don't think for a second that USC won't play a ranked team again, polls are in flux every week, and do you really think that the pac ten (apart from USC) will stay out of the top 25 all year?
My guess is that if USC, an SEC team, and a Big XII team all go undefeated, it will be USC and the SEC team in the National Championship game
I like your post. Everything that you mentioned is very correct - except that the # 1 team in the polls could not be "jumped" by the computers. This can still happen. Now, clearly, the voters are the only group that can measure "style points" - and they will. So USC could end up at # 1 with an unbeaten season. But, with an SOS that is very weak, then it is possible that the computers could put two different teams (with very strong SOS) on top of them. Your assertion that SOS is gonna change every week is quite correct. And, it is possible that the PAC SOS could rise somewhat by season's end. It sure would help if they would win some games though.
As I mention the idea that Oklahoma had lost four straight BCS bowl games - you seem to be the only one that understands that this will effect the voters only. The computers will not have this to consider. But, by season's end and there is a choice to be made, my point was that this would be a consideration by alot of voters - and I think that it should be.
You have some pretty good thoughts there. I would only consider Oklahoma or Texas for a title game shot out of the Big 12, myself.
Such a game would have to end up shutting at least someone up...
I like that North-South conference suggestion. That would make for some really good games.
Then again, USC always shows up to pound the big boys just to get nipped sometimes by a Stanford or Cal.... 2 or 3 one loss teams seems just as likely as 3 undefeated teams, so we could get another fun BCS controversy regardless....
Scenario:
OU goes undefeated
Georgia/LSU/FLorida goes undefeated
USC goes undefeated
Strength of schedule goes to OU and SEC undefeated champ hands down.
Geez that city needs a pro team...
I would think that if it were to come down to an undefeated OU team, an undefeated SEC team, and an undefeated USC, the championship game would be awarded to OU-SEC. USC would be left out, IMO. I would be pissed if I were a USC fan, but there simply isnt enough good competition for those guys.
Then Vandy has to come along and throw another wrench in the equation.
No way no how can any team not even USC can go into Auburn LSU Georgia Florida Bama week in week out and survive that.
All you SEC haters really just need to give yourself a treat and come to one of the LSU vs AU or Bama AU or Georgia florida games and the list goes on and on, The LSU game saturday was unreal the crowd was electric. Sorry guys just calling it the way i see it.
I grew up in Colorado and lived in California and Texas. Very few games out west can come close to matching the intensity of most games in the SEC. OSU Michigan sure ,but play that intense 5 times a year.
I suppose its possible. We are playing West Virginia on the road this year and then at home next year. But now that WVU has lost a couple games we have little to gain with a win and a lot to lose with a loss.
But truth be told i think it will become less and less likely that top level teams in top conferences ,SEC and Big 12 especially to schdule these games. Now the mid range teams Ole Miss, Miss State, to name a few may do it. But theres little to gain by Oklahoma playing LSU as an example.
Ohio State pretty much lost any chance to fool voters into giving them another shot at the NC.
It can never be truly fair till theres a playoff of some sort and im affraid that probably will never happen.
in 2003, polls weren't even half of the BCS consideration formula
nowadays, polls are 2/3 of the formula.
The BCS was "fixed" after that year. by any formula that has been used 2004 or since, the title game that year would have been #1 USC and #2 LSU.
for the computers to jump a #1 team, that team would have to be well outside of the top 5 in the computers. Which isn't realistic if we're talking about an undefeated BCS team.
USC's record against the Top six schools in the Big 12:
Colorado (14-21) - USC is (3-0), outscoring this team 78-17 or 26.0-5.7 per game.
Texas Tech (16-16-2) - USC is (3-0), outscoring this team 93-30 or 31.0-10.0 per game.
Texas A&M (19-15) - USC is (3-0), outscoring this team 98-35 or 32.7-11.7 per game.
Texas (26-8) - USC is (2-1), outscoring this team 65-60 or 21.7-20.0 per game.
Nebraska (34-14-1) - USC is (3-0-1), outscoring this team 129-83 or 32.3-20.8 per game.
Oklahoma (68-13-4) - USC is (6-1-1), outscoring this team 205-114 or 25.6-14.3 per game.
Have these not been "the Greatest" Big 12 teams over the last many years? I think that they are. But, sadly, Southern Cal has beaten all of these teams down to the tune of (20-2-2) over all of these years. The combined score has favored USC in each game 27.8 to 14.1 ppg. It is incredible to me that anybody could make the case that a Big 12 team should go to a BCS Championship game over Southern Cal. BTW, there were many a great Big 12 team that was completely destroyed on game day. I know, this Trojan team probably is not as good, right? This is probably our # 25th best team - therefore a Big 12 team might have a chance, right? Fact is: one very great Texas team (2005 - # 1) and one very great Oklahoma team (1971 # 2 - only loss to # 1 Nebraska) were able to beat Southern Cal. It took two of the very greatest teams of all time to beat USC from the Big 12. And, that is it. There never has been another from these top six. So, college football fans, understand why it might be that no team from the Big 12 would ever deserve to play for the Championship over Southern Cal. Learn your history! Know of what you speak!
You just smooth blew that off, huh? Yes, Lennie, I know that some of those teams came from the old SWC. Nevertheless, they are all in your conference now, and they have all been getting their collective asses kicked forever. Deal with the facts.
USC's record against the SEC from 1964 until today:
Florida (17-6-1) - USC is (0-1-1), being outscored by this team 28-36 or 14.0-18.0 per game.
L.S.U. (15-8-1) - USC is (1-1), being outscored by this team 20-35 or 10.0-17.5 per game.
Alabama (48-10-2) - USC is (2-3), outscoring this team 99-97 or 19.8-19.4 per game.
Auburn (27-11) - USC is (2-1), outscoring this team 54-33 or 18.0-11.0 per game.
Tennessee (13-10) - USC is (2-0), outscoring this team 63-24 or 31.5-12.0 per game.
Arkansas (31-25-2) - USC is (4-1), outscoring this team 175-63 or 35.0-12.6 per game.
Now, the overall record is only (11-7-2) while outscoring these opponents by 22.0-14.4 per game. Clearly, the SEC has given the USC Trojans a whole lot more trouble over the years than the Big 12 ever has. I cannot make the same argument against the SEC as I can against the Big 12. In fact, Florida, LSU and Alabama all either have a winning record against USC or have outscored them in head to head matchups, therefore making a great case for these SEC teams. Georgia, clearly in this class, would therefore have a case - even though they have not played Southern Cal at all over this time period. So, if it came down to the scenario that a Big 12 team was undisputed # 1, and the argument was for an SEC team over Southern Cal - then I could not be as adament to make my case as I would against the Big 12 if the scenario were to be reversed.
You seemed to care quite a bit - until you were presented with the facts. Like so many other "Ostrich's" on this blog, you are now gonna go bury your head in the sand, and pretend that what I just presented you with is not reality. Look it up: www.stassen.com - it's really real.
If it will make you feel any better - we have won nine of the last ten against the Big 10 conference. In fact, between 1966-1986, we won an astonishing 28 out of 30 against the Big 10 conference. That included many Rose Bowls. So, your conference is probably just a step above the Big 10. I would make that claim for you.
Here's the point of this non-sense: you can quit blabbering about Oklahoma and the Big 12 conference at any time -WE OWN OKLAHOMA AND THE BIG 12 CONFERENCE - IT'S BEEN THAT WAY FOR A LONG LONG TIME!
Lennie is good people dogoneit ease up dude LOL
Your the only one from the Big 12 that is allowed to give me any crap - as for the moment TEXAS OWNS US! I'll have mercy on poor Lennie if it so pleases you. I know you want to save his ass for yourself. Be my guest.
Yeh, after that Stanford loss - they would not let me out of my 5150 hold for about two weeks. I had to convince them that I would take my meds every day as prescribed. Well, as you can tell - I lied!
I died somewhere in SE Asia many moons ago. All that's left to me are the USC Trojans - who dispatch of the enemy the way that they are supposed to be dealt with.
Nope. I put the pipe down many years ago. I go with alcohol and high strength sedatives today. I find that this combination, allows me to be able to more effectively, have a relationship with my wife. In fact, she likes me a whole lot more when I'm just passed out lying somewhere out in the desert. The only problem is: sometimes when I come to, half of my face is missing, from all the food that the insects have dragged away. Other than that - I'm doing quite nicely, thank you!
I was at 1st engaging some Sooner fan called "foiled". We were jousting quite well - when you asked in. Well, I asked you to go ahead and join in. I figured you were the guys "wing man". He cut out and headed back to refuel - while you were engaging the battle. I merely proceeded to shoot your ass down. Too bad I only got one kill on the day - but I'll take it. You better have a talk with your bro, as he completely left you vulnerable, and you were eventually destroyed. When you guys get back to "Fightertown", you better polish up your technique, before you head out into more real battle. It's dangerous out here.
Mister Collins...If USC went undefeated, Oklahoma went undefeated, and the SEC Champion went undefeated, do you think USC deserve to be left out?
"Yes!" "They deserve to be left out and I hope they burn in hell!"
Alright, now that's what I needed to hear. Just say that you hate the Trojans. You should, after all, we've been kickin' your ass forever. But, the honesty is very appealing. Just don't ever try and establish any logic and I'll be able to understand your viewpoint just fine. Hatred of "the Mighty Trojans" is enough for me. ALL HAIL!
I know you're havin' some laughs. So am I. Yes, the Trojans are over-hyped right now to have already been annointed. They've done the same thing for several years now. I remember when it was Oklahoma and White, USC and Leinart, Ohio State and Smith and all the way back for just about forever. The pundits always got to show how smart they are by trying to annoint some stupid team early on - so they can claim glory when it's all said and done with. Fact is: that annointed team rarely finishes the season as # 1. So, you do have that much going for you. And, it is very difficult for a team to live up to all that hype. So, don't be too disturbed. It's the Trojans that have to find a way to deal with all that distraction. I really don't like it anymore than you do. I wish Oklahoma was # 1 instead - at least until the last week of the season.
i thought fanblogs was better than this
Unfortunately neither Tommy nor Lennie are mods, although they are definitely first-teamers.
now that i look at it, several have it that way - but at first glance, i thought it meant you were associated with the site.
my apologies
Hey, thanx for tryin' to be my "wing man" - but I fly solo. I can handle all of these "crackers" all on my lonesome. Been shootin' em' down for years. If your gonna be a Trojan on this blog - you better pack alot of ammunition and be prepared to shoot at anything that even begins to speak. Shoot first - ask questions later. Your on your own. I'll fly in once in awhile, blow some of these commies out of the sky, and be on my merry way. That's about all I can do for ya', kid. You'll just have to fly by the seat of your pants. You'll be fine - just don't stop pourin' lead into these guys.
i wasn't trying to defend you, tommy.
i was responding to lennie's confusion about what i considered a personal attack.
Tommy does not play nice. Oh, and don't denigrate LSU's intelligence or bring up 2004. Thats it for the advice.
i just have a tendency to make the sarcastic comment about the thread as a whole - which is all i was trying to do - i wasn't trying to call you out.
You thought Lennie "Oklahoma Redneck" Collins was the moderator!?!?!?
What tipped you off? Let me guess...the tobacco juice between his posts and his avatar, right?
....oh my....(LMAO)...
I'm Sorry....that was just funnier'n hell....
GO GATORS!!
I don't suppose he's going to be your buddy, Lennie...
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I dont like OU , but Lennie is good people man
Go Frogs
Sicem-Bears
I'm pretty sure Lennie's a big boy; he can hold his own, and he's free to take a shot at me at his convenience.
As for what kind of people Lennie is--I don't know him from adam, and frankly, I don't think you do either, even if you think you do--so I'll take your conclusion that he's "good people" with the appropriate gain of salt. That said, I have nothing personal against Mr. Collins, the poster on Fanblogs. He's a solid, consistent, entertaining poster--that's all I know about him. Maybe the man behind the handle is a gentemen and a scholar to boot; maybe he is good people...then again, maybe he's a redneck. I don't know.
As for the "tobacco juice" comment--that was merely incidental to the redneck bit--not really directed at Lennie (now, if you really are seeing tobacco juice between his comments and his avatar...I suggest wiping your monitor....).
...but either way, I ain't buying the "righteous indignation" bit. If I did, I'd be disrespecting Lennie more than by hanging "redneck" on his handle.
He may or may not be a redneck; but I'm inclined to believe he is not a sniveling little baby. He certainly hasn't posted like one to date.
GO GATORS!!
If you look around you - too many got away. Lennie, this is no shit, I grew up as a teenager in a little town called Westminster, Cali. By the time I got home in 1974 - Little Saigon was firmly entrenched into my town. I kid you not. Look it up. It was the most unreal thing that I have ever witnessed. Been on the pipe ever since. But, I'll cut you boyz out there in the Midwest some slack now. I just think that maybe you ought to be aware of the facts. There has been many a great Oklahoma team try and fail here. My argument is to not get ahead of yourselves. Nothing much changes in college football - although everything else in the world does. I think that is why we enjoy it so much. You boyz have some very great teams out there in the midwest and always have. Those great Oklahoma, Texas and Nebraska programs, in their heyday, were on top of the heap. But, my team is the Rodney Dangerfield of college football - WE GET NO RESPECT! No matter what. Now, Ohio State is a horrible team because we beat them down. I would not be surprised at all, if they end up back at 11-1, and playing in a BCS Bowl game (Rose Bowl). But as you know, they can't be any good cause we just thrashed them 35-3, and it can't be that we're any good - it has to be that they are that bad. It doesn't help when they're whiny little fans get on here and start callin' for all the coaching staff to be fired. I haven't heard from any of them since. It's sure a good thing that they haven't wanted to fire Bob Stoops for some sputters in the road - he's building that program back up to where they are accustomed to being. I just think that they are just about 1-2 years away. If Bradford and Murray is there for the next two years - I definately see a National Championship for Oklahoma.
It turns grown men (and women) into children, makes 8-year olds look more rational by comparison as they stare at their parents in disbelief, and can make even the most die-hard Fanblogger scream at the top of his lungs.
I feel your pain, Lennie. :)
I am a 28 year old criminal prosecutor in New Mexico, and a major college football fan
I graduated from both USC (Undergrad) and Duke (law school), so i have strong rooting interests in those schools.
Other schools that i follow include UNM (local school), NM State (i occasionally teach at a branch campus), UVA (Grew up in UVA country), and Purdue (Sister graduated there).
I also commish, hand-score, and participate in a college football based fantasy football league on another internet site, so i additionally follow the teams that all my regular-starter fantasy players are on heavily as well. This year that includes Georgia Tech, LSU, Oklahoma, Texas Tech, etc.
With the law degree from Duke and placement in this thread, I am confused about which coast that USC you graduated from was on?
I'd like to welcome you as well. Duke is certainly improved this season. There's much to be excited about if you're a Blue Devil.
if someone around here was dedicated enough to want to set up something similar for 2009, i could certainly help them set it up. I don't have the time to organize a second one myself (though i might participate in it)
in addition, i am aware of a fantasy football site for college football: http://www.u-sports.com/ - I've heard good reviews about it, but it is a pay site and i've worked to keep my league free, so i don't have any first hand experience with it
we use the BCS conferences plus Notre Dame.
26 players on a team.
Here are the full rules (actually, these rules haven't been updated for a couple years, but here they are in basic form) http://soulten.googlepages.com/rules
How much of that is lost to the Georgia-Alabama winner? I think Georgia would get a good share of #1 if they win this week.
Geaux Tigers
Geaux SEC
Nothing like getting thrown into the fire to learn how hot it is...
Welcome aboard Rio-D-Jay.
Geaux Tigers
Geaux SEC
In fact, USC was better than LSU last year.
Do us all a favor. The next time you get a perverse urge, instead of throwing an effigy of one of your players off a ten story building, throw yourself off and end the aggravation. By the way, enjoy Oregon State
Lennie, since I had such little interest in this thread topic, I just read it through today. That was some of the funniest sparring I have ever seen with Tommie T. I thought that joker never gives up but you hung right in there with him. Note of interest--I am not trying to be your buddy. Just making an observation.
By the way, DAWGS will beat the crap out of the Tide Saturday. Go to the bank and take the max that your ATM card will let you get out, call your bookie, lay the 7 points, and you still win by 10 if you bet on the DAWGS. I will post my score tomorrow.
GO DAWGS!!!