Fanblogs.com: Dear NCAA: Change the color on color rules
Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
This is a great change! I will actually watch this game now just to see it. There are plenty of rivalry games that could do the same thing. Hopefully the NCAA will address this and correct it over the offseason.
lsw1369
· 1 year ago
It's too bad the penalty isn't just a fine. USC could probably cover it for half the going rate for a Trojan "Student-Athlete". Can you say SMU-West?
FSU_Ben
· 1 year ago
LoL. I really hope that is a joke and we don't discover you are right at some point. Unless this is a reference to the Bush stuff. That was shady but not one the SMU level.
"BC"
· 1 year ago
This is absolutely retarded. the two teams oughta be able to wear whatever colors they damn well please, so long as they both agree before the game.
Ramblin' Gator
· 1 year ago
I have two words for you: Vinny Testaverde. A little known fact about the Vin-ster - he's color-blind, so having one team not wearing white put him (and other color-blind players) at a distinct disadvantage.
While I like the idea of more color on the field and - as you suggested - both teams agreeing to color schemes before the game would make this more plausible, I'm not sure how well this would work under legal and federal regulatory scrutiny (i.e. ADA and HIPAA) if a team had to reveal that one of their skill players was color-blind and therefore the visiting team must wear white. For that matter, the player disclosing this data to the team might raise questions too.
Gator_Babe812
· 1 year ago
and that is why the color schemes should be decided on before the game if a team has a color blind player they do not have to disclose who it is or even what their reasoning is for requesting white uniforms but if both teams agree to wear color it should be allowed
Ramblin' Gator
· 1 year ago
...however, the player WOULD have to disclose to the team that he is color-blind, which may be a violation of ADA and/or HIPAA. Note - I am not a lawyer, but I work with a bunch of lawyers and I employ 30 research scientists in four countries, so I have SOME familiarity with these statutes.
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
I'm pretty sure that this is the domain not only of the ADA, but OSHA and the SEC (securities and exchange commision), too.
But perhaps all regulatory requirements could be satisfied if the color-blind player just alerted the officials when he entered the game, kinda like a 'tackle elgible' situation...
:-)
Gator_Babe812
· 1 year ago
I KNOW RIGHT ITS NOT THAT SERIOUS ITS UNIFORMS
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
It was a joke, Gator Babe.
Do you know Bama Babe, off chance?
TampaGator
· 1 year ago
They're related...paternally (naturally, as we can tell by the suranme); second cousins, twice removed, I think it is...she'll have to clear that one up...
GO GATORS!!
Regan
· 1 year ago
WEA, this is what happens when people like you and Ramblin' Gator show how smart you are and we end up having to guess. :)
In addition to OSHA and the SEC, ADA, and HIPAA, we need to run it by Ben Prather too, since he knows how to color code.
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
RG is the smart one, Regan. I'm just trying to fly wingman...
If I was so smart, I'd already know how to do those damn color codes already!
Ramblin' Gator
· 1 year ago
If I'm so smart, why can't I figure out this whole BCS doohickey?
Gator_Babe812
· 1 year ago
no i dont and i definetly don't associate with bama fans :)
TampaGator
· 1 year ago
...oh I don't know....y'all even smile similarly....there might be some overlap in the family tree somewhere there....
j/k
GO GATORS!!
Gator_Babe812
· 1 year ago
who is this elusive bama babe everyone is searching for anyway??
and if we were related i would definetly have to laugh at her when florida kicks that @ss
:)
TampaGator
· 1 year ago
Tell it like it is, Gator girl!!
...she'll be around soon enough, I'm sure. She's pretty cool; a pretty knowledgeable poster--especially for a bammer.
The "connection" isn't a knock at all; just not too many "X_Babe's" posting around here, if you foller...
...and welcome aboard, b/t/w...
GO GATORS!!
Gator_Babe812
· 1 year ago
Im pretty knowledgeable myself :-) my dad had me watching football the day i was born (in jacksonville, fl) and i never stopped lol
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
What was that, like end-of Galen Hall territory? That could have stunted your growth...
We give Mad Props to Bama Babe because she posts a real picture of herself. That way, we KNOW she's a babe...
Gator_Babe812
· 1 year ago
ok happy @sshole!!!
thats highly insulting
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
Was it something I said???
TampaGator
· 1 year ago
LOL!
...Lennie C references never get old!
GO GATORS!!
OU_Ron
· 1 year ago
:-)
Ramblin' Gator
· 1 year ago
Hey, GB - we have two things in common: born in J'ville and watching Gator football from day one! Judging from your picture, I'm guessing I've been watching a decade or two longer than you have.
Gator_Babe812
· 1 year ago
haha probably so im definetly a young one :)
TampaGator
· 1 year ago
Love the spunk!
Nice pic, too...
GO GATORS!!
Bama_Babe
· 1 year ago
Hi. That would be me.
And you just gave me one more reason why I can't wait for the game Saturday..
:)
Gator_Babe812
· 1 year ago
Do you honestly think the tide is gonna win that game honey?
They should have lost to LSU (i was at that game) Bama's players are mediocre at best.That is so cute, florida is gonna win with or without percy harvin
You guys havent played a real defense yet (brandon spikes) and florida isn't gonna give up 2 defensive touchdowns like some of the other people you've played
TampaGator
· 1 year ago
....and Carlos Dunalp, Janoris Jenkins, Major Wright, Will Hill, Ahmad Black, Justin Trattou, Dustin Doe, Ryan Stamper, Brandon Hicks...
(before this week I would have included Matt Patchen, but, unfortunately, he's out for the season).
...IMO, the most underrated defense in cfb....
GO GATORS!!
Bama_Babe
· 1 year ago
Tim Tebow and Co., meet Terrence Cody, Bobby Greenwood, Brandon Deaderick, Rolando McClain, Rashad Johnson, Javier Arenas, Brandon Fanney, Dont'a Hightower, and Lorenzo Washington.
....Just thought I'd do a little introducing before the game.
And funny you mention the defensive touchdowns. Because all these big "blowouts" Florida has had, in most of them, at LEAST 14 points have come from the defense or special teams. You won't get that courtesy from Alabama.
Should be a good one. It's definitely the most important SEC game in a long time. The first-place prize is huge, but the award for the runner-up - although a BCS Bowl - just won't be as sweet as the advertised Sugar......
Gator_Babe812
· 1 year ago
ok true florida may get 7-14 points on special teams and defense but they score over 50 points a game where bama's score is usually about 35 and their only total shut-out was auburn. Bama is a first half team totally and they don't know how to play from behind, If florida runs up the score in the first half the tide is better of not even coming back out after half-time
Bama_Babe
· 1 year ago
In some games this season, yes, Bama has been a first half team only.
However, as the season has progressed, Bama has been having strong 2nd halves as well. The Tennessee game was a complete game, with Alabama playing strong for all 4 quarters. Against Auburn, Alabama scored 26 2nd half points.
You can't just say, "Oh well since Florida is averaging 50 something points a game, and Alabama is averaging 30 something, then Florida is going to win 50-30."
That's why the game is played, GB.
Gator_Babe812
· 1 year ago
No I'm just saying that florida may get a few points from defense but bama has gone whole games without scoring on offense. Bama's opponents usually win the game for them, LSU had every opportunity to win and didnt take it. Saban is an excellent coach but Tebow & Co. is going to take you to the cleaners. I've never seen someone take football as seriously as Tim and he is not gonna lose this game
Bama_Babe
· 1 year ago
..."Bama's opponents usually win the game fot them.."
Although TE is begging for the fight, I'm going to pretend you didn't say that.
..he is not gonna lose this game
Timmy Boy may not have a choice..
Just sayin' ;)
TampaGator
· 1 year ago
"...at LEAST 14 points have come from the defense or special teams. You won't get that courtesy from Alabama..."
I respectfully beg to differgree...
I fully expect at least 14 pts. from sources other than Tebow & Co.
...as for Mt. Cody--we have an excavation crew arranged--a crew I like to call:
"The Great Wall of Florida, III"
Frankly, I believe that either of the Poucey twins will be able to handle Cody singlehandedly....
....he'll be limping off the field at half, complaining of back pain, and the flood gates will open!
GO GATORS!!
Bama_Babe
· 1 year ago
Fair enough.
I agree to disagree. ;)
3 more days! Roll Tide!
Gator_Babe812
· 1 year ago
All the guys think we're gonna "chick fight" lol i don't engage in that. This will be both teams toughest challenge yet i wish you the best of luck and hope noone gets hurt
TIM TEBOW FOR HEISMAN!!!!!
shiguy
· 1 year ago
ok ok no cat fight.......pillow fight??????
TampaGator
· 1 year ago
No no no!!! You can't agree to disagree---I don't agree with that--I disagree to agree to disagree--I just want to disagree!
...we were just beginning to have fun...
Oh well...actually life beckons anyway....
3 days it is...
Nice new pic, b/t/w.
GO GATORS!!
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
I want to get a big tub of jello in here so they can really fight it out...
And we could sell tickets...
shiguy
· 1 year ago
I'll bring the couch! Wait on second thought it might be a fire hazard......
Ramblin' Gator
· 1 year ago
I can see it now...
[Referee turns on field mic]
Number 78 has declared himself color-blind. The defense must now switch to white uniforms.
[whistle blows]
Unsportsmanlike conduct - the defense failed to switch to white uniforms - 15 yards, still first down.
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
I think they should get a sideline warning before yards are marked off!
JaredIsKing
· 1 year ago
Why would the american dental association feel violated because a player disclosed he is color blind?
Tom_Blogical
· 1 year ago
You definitely bring up great points about ADA and HIPAA. One thing to keep in mind, (and I'm sure you're already aware of this, I'm just covering it since you didn't) different shades are seen, even with full color blindness. Plus, color blindness is not all-or-nothing; there is partial and full color blindness. So, it's possible for those with the disability to see the differences in color and play without issue.
That being said, I can certainly understand the disadvantage if the unis are close or almost the same in color.
It would be great to see OSU/Michigan games with both teams in home unis, though.
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
The 2 most common forms of color blindness are not a disability. These people have tricromatic vision, but mixtures of different pigments may or may not match regardless of whether they match for normal vision.
These individuals can easily spot camo if indigenous pigments are not used, and most of us don't even know we are colorblind until the navy tells us we can get the possition we were desiring, and can certainly distinguish the colors below (I can speak on authority here...)
The few cases where one or more color is missing from a person's vision (or more commonly two colors are merged into one) would be like a kicker missing an arm. If it caused a player to tackle or block the wrong player that is vital to the possition, but color is not even near the top of the way players determine who is on thier team.
This rule is designed to help the refs determine which team a player is on from a fleeting glance.
The insistance that the away team be white is too restrictive for this purpose. A specified difference in the color space is a much better solution. I think it would be great to see most teams compete in their colors, when they are not similar.
Tom_Blogical
· 1 year ago
"The 2 most common forms of color blindness are not a disability."
Perhaps not legally, but if one is not able to view colors properly, it amounts to a disability, in my book. A small quibble, if you will. Good stuff, though. There's a good pic showing the 5 different types of color blindness at the link I provided. Thanks for serving in the Navy, BTW.
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
I didn't serve. I couldn't get the job I wanted because they said I was colorblind.
I said, "What the heck," (I was in Utah at the time), "I see colors just fine!" and did research to find out what they were talking about.
Ramblin' Gator
· 1 year ago
Not being color-blind myself, I don't know how much of a disadvantage it truly is for a football player; however, I was a Tampa Bay fan back when Vinny came out of the closet and admitted his visual impairment. The guy had thrown so many picks that season causing many to be suspicious as to whether this was true or was he just making excuses.
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
This rule makes sense if the colors are close. This rule is intended to allow the referees to eazily distinguish between players.
Maybe if two of Utah, Alabama, Oklahoma or any of the other red and white teams play it would make sense. Maybe if USC played FSU it would make sense. For USC and UCLA the primary colors can be distinguished even on a black and white TV.
How about this rule:
Take the primary color's RBG values and find the difference between the two for each component. If (dR^2)+(dB)^2+(dG)^2 is less than some threshold, the violating team is charged one time out per half.
If the visiting team is wearing anything other than white, they are the violating team. If the visiting team is in white the home team is the violating team.
A difference of 255 in one component is a very strong difference in color, so the square of this, 65025, is a good threshold. To allow Tennessee and Clemson orange, or UCLA and North Carolina blue this would need to be cut in half, to about 35000. One may wonder why no one has an offending red...
Cases in point: USC runs a maroon that has an RBG roughly 150, 25, 25. UCLA's blue is close to 25, 200, 200. This has a difference of 76875, well above the recommended threshold.
Indeed, UCLA's blue is closer to white, 255, 255, 255, having a threshold of 58950.
USC is distinguished from UCLA, the intent of this rule, MORE by thier maroon jerseys than thier white jerseies.
"BC"
· 1 year ago
woah man. chill out. this is just a uniform thread... haha
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
This is about the color rule, which is a bad implementation of the desired results. I don't believe in critiquing a rule unless its intent is bad or an alternative is presented. In this case the intent of makingplayers eazy to distinguish for the referees and colorbliind players is very strong.
Perhaps it could be worded better:
If the sum of the squares of the difference in RBG components between the selected uniform colors is less than 35000 a uniform color violation has occured and the violating team is charged one time out per half.
If the visiting team is wearing anything other than white they are the violating team, otherwise the home team is in violation.
This allows much more flexibility to the teams to choose their uniforms, and add distinctive color branding of marque rivalries.
Besides, I would love to see Utah reds on the road more! If you can read this,this, this, and this, then 35000 is enough of a threshold.
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
Read WHAT?
TampaGator
· 1 year ago
If you can't tell the difference between this, this and this, you must be color blind.
GO GATORS!!
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
That one was better than mine!
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
You all went to fast. I found an error in my colors. They should look like this,this,this,this,this,this and this.
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
Maybe the rules committe should reexamine the case of yellow!
The weight of the square of the blue component needs to be 2. also using a perfect square of 40000 is better.
If the sum of the squares of the difference in RGB components between the selected uniform colors, with the square of the difference in blue halved, is less than 40000 a uniform color violation has occured and the violating team is charged one time out per half.
If the visiting team is wearing anything other than white they are the violating team, otherwise the home team is in violation.
We now have the Red, Green, Blue, Yellow, Cyan, Magenta, Grey and Orange closest to white permitted by this rule for the home team.
Regan
· 1 year ago
Okay, I have to figure this out...
So do what exactly do you type to get it to come out these wonderful colors?
...though I know from experience that Disqus does not implement all of HTML, so forget about those embedded Javascripts you're thinking of, folks.
Regan
· 1 year ago
Awesome, thanks yall.
Over the next few days, I'm going to try to figure out how all this stuff works, so don't think I'm trying to spam a thread; just marvel at how I figured out how to turn the darn computer on...
GeauxTigers0107
· 1 year ago
So this should be bold?
edit: Well whaddya know....it worked...lol. Thx.
Geaux Tigers Geaux SEC
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
change B to I and you get italics.
The_Observer
· 1 year ago
Me not good at this.
AUtigerman
· 1 year ago
I think they should look like , , , and .
TampaGator
· 1 year ago
OK, what I really meant to say, was....
...it sounds rather technical. We are talk'n football, aren't we? (or should that be, were'nt we?). Keep it simple: white, or primary color, home team picks, end of discussion.
Game on!
GO GATORS!!
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
Some on us want to learn here, TG...
Sheesh! Tool....
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
You did that on purpose, right?
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
My bad, USC is Cardinal not Maroon.
FSU_Ben
· 1 year ago
or the FSU BC (maroon and gold) game. Those are far closer than mustard and ketchup vs. garnet and gold.
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
The sporting thing to do for UCLA to do would be to tell the officials they only want two timeouts per half, too. If that's not possible, they should immediately burn one into the half and even it up.
Can anyone think of a home team that prefers white as their home jersey? LSU and the Dallas Cowboys come to mind. I'm talking about permanent situations--not the occasional 'throwback' games.
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
WE ARE....
PENN STATE...
( Washington actually pioneered this in the NFL in the 60's. The NFL rule allows the home team to choose whites or colors. The Saints also likes home whites. The only time you see these three teams in dark is when they play each other. Sorry Kevin, now back to college football...)
Tom_Blogical
· 1 year ago
If I'm not mistaken, Penn State wears dark blue jerseys at home and all white on the road.
Tyler_Tech
· 1 year ago
I thought they wore white at home sometimes during night games for their themed "white out" Speaking of blue: I always thought it was a huge advantage for Boise State to where their BLUE jerseys on their home field BLUE turf. It lloks like they would blend in. I have never actually played on the field against the smurfs, so I cannot say for sure.
TampaGator
· 1 year ago
Washington Redskins.
[sorry...didn't see BP's...]
GO GATORS!!
NMLSooner
· 1 year ago
I believe Tennessee & Alabama used to wear both home jerseys when they played. I like the idea. I think they should have to request it to avoid any issues. Also, no more gold or yellow home jerseys against a team wearing white jerseys! Allow the guest to wear home jerseys when home team wears yellow or gold!
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
The method above would handle those light colored jersies, such as Oregon's failed highlighter yellow vs white.
Missouri's yellow is dark enough to be allowed, and Oklahoma's red would actually be preferred against them over their white.
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
I like the highlighter yellow. Helps me remember the players' names for the test...
"BC"
· 1 year ago
badoom chssshh
TampaGator
· 1 year ago
If the Gators ever play Boise State on that nauseating blue rug, I'd gladly sacrifice one TO per half to show up in all-blues--hell, let's change the "hehmuts" to blue also....that would be really f%$#k 'em up.... Talk about stealth!
..all you'd see is the refs...
(I suppose Kentucky could pull it off too without changing the hats...but they'd need the TO's).
GO GATORS!!
FSU_Ben
· 1 year ago
Haha. I would watch that game!
TampaGator
· 1 year ago
Imagine the replays...they'd take FOREVER!
"....upon further review...it appears that the ball actually hit one of the palyers, before hitting the field...one moment please....[ref goes back to booth]..."was it a FL player, or BSU player...shit!...is that a helmet???....F$% it..." [ref sneaks triple swig of Jack Daniels from his flask]....
"....video evidence confirms the ruling on the field..."
GO GATORS!!
Ramblin' Gator
· 1 year ago
My Dad always said the perfect football uniform would be brown jerseys (hide the ball) and green pants (disguise the legs). Of course, he never anticipated the creation of smurf turf. And who wants brown and green as their school colors?
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
I think I went to an elementry school with those colors for a year. I think it was called Oakland Terrace, so it makes sense.
Too bad I didn't learn to spele while I was there.
Ramblin' Gator
· 1 year ago
Let me guess...
The Oakland Terrace Terriers?
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
I think it was the Unicorns.
ROLLTIDE_73
· 1 year ago
But think of all the money the school would save on stain remover..lol
Gator_Babe812
· 1 year ago
speaking of which if boise state gets to have a blue field then why cant LSU have a purple field or USC have a yellow field, i HATE watching BSU home games it makes me dizzy
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
Technically they can. Contrary to popular belief the NCAA has no rule regarding field color, as long as the white yard markers are clearly visible. The yellow might be an issue but purple would be fine.
Unless you also apply the rules of taste, which eliminates anything but green.
Kevin @ Fanblogs
· 1 year ago
Oh great... and f'n uniform thread. Ugh.
NMLSooner
· 1 year ago
Kevin, don't you know it is more important to LOOK GOOD than to FEEEEEL GOOD:)
Tom_Blogical
· 1 year ago
You're confusing me. Didn't you publish this thread? Are you responding to someone else?
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
You started it...
lbu828694
· 1 year ago
The ncaa needs to outlaw all yellow home jerseys aka wvu's bannana unis, they're terrible on the eyes
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
West Virginia uses #FFCC00 This would have a value of 35114 based on my policy. This is less than 40000 and not allowed, unless the away team is wearing a color other than white.
shiguy
· 1 year ago
There is one problem though what are we supposed to do for our equivalent "blackout" we're sure as hell not wearing black (we already have at least one team do that to us every season for the past 3). And we already wear blue. So what is your answer.
AUtigerman
· 1 year ago
Well if you really want to talk about a color issue try watching a Boise State home game.
Its hard to even see the players they blend into the field so much. I can only watch a few minutes then i get nausea.
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
I can see the players just fine, its the color of the field that cause me to get nausea!
Stanley4
· 1 year ago
"Under the current NCAA rules, if the away team does not wear white uniforms then they are to be penalized one timeout per half."
There is nothing in the rule book that backs that assertion. Rule 1-4-3a
Kevin @ Fanblogs
· 1 year ago
Well... you'll have to explain that to the NCAA, chief.
Rule 1-4-3-a (FR-30) specifies that (1) the teams must wear jerseys of contrasting colors, (2) the visitors must wear white jerseys, and (3) the home team may wear white jerseys when the teams have so agreed prior to the start of the season.
Rule 1-4-4 (FR-31) does not show contrasting or white jerseys in the list of mandatory equipment, and Rule 1-4-5 (FR-32) does not specify that non-compliance with the jersey color rules constitutes illegal equipment. However, it is absolutely clear that the intent of the rules committee is that the colors of the jerseys on the opposing teams must be contrasting. It is also the intent of the committee that one and only one team wear white jerseys.
Regarding non-compliance of the jersey-color rule, the current interpretation is as follows:
Players of opposing teams must wear jerseys of contrasting colors. If the home team wears colored jerseys and the visiting team does not wear white jerseys, the visiting team will be assessed one timeout following the opening kickoff of the game. The game will proceed from that point with no further penalty for the violation.
Rogers Redding
Secretary-Rules Editor
NCAA Football Rules Committee
They seem to think you're... what's the word... wrong.
Stanley4
· 1 year ago
Rogers made the rule interpretation today. As of noon today, there was NOTHING in the 2008 NCAA Rule Book or Approved Rulings to support the statement.
Kevin @ Fanblogs
· 1 year ago
I don't see how you can say that, when the rule is clearly in place and has been for years. The Pac10 tried to dispute it in 2007 and 2008, and will again push for a revision in 2009.
Stanley4
· 1 year ago
Easy.....I have the 2008 NCAA Rule Book right here in front of me and read it cover to cover each and every year. Post the Rule, Approved Ruling, and page number....from 2007 or 2008 as I have both.
Read the 2nd paragraph:
"Rule 1-4-4 (FR-31) does not show contrasting or white jerseys in the list of mandatory equipment, and Rule 1-4-5 (FR-32) does not specify that non-compliance with the jersey color rules constitutes illegal equipment."
1-4-4 note the words: DOES NOT 1-4-5 note the words: DOES NOT
If it were in the Rule Book or the existing A.R.'s, he'd simply give the reference....since it's not, he wrote one today.
But, as I said, simply give the page number and I'll stand corrected....
gatorhippy
· 1 year ago
You've been reading the 2008 version every year?
What good would that have done you in 1998?
Tom_Blogical
· 1 year ago
I'm assuming this was poor wording on Stanley4's part, and that what he meant to say was that he reads each year's issue of the NCAA rule book cover-to-cover each and every year.
That being said, I would assume one of the following. That Stanley4 suffers from Asperger's syndrome, is an attorney, finds mind-numbing, repetitive and ridiculously boring information interesting (despite the minor changes from year-to-year), he's a referee or coach, or that he's a rules geek. Or maybe all of the above.
Not that there's anything wrong with any of that, because someone that knowledgeable of NCAA football rules is definitely interesting to have around at least one day of the week during football season.
Stanley4
· 1 year ago
No offense taken since I'm sure you use terms like "fumbled the punt" when it's actually a muffed scrimmage kick. ROFL
Tom_Blogical
· 1 year ago
LOL! I'm sure you have evidence of my supposed use of that term (or any other incorrect terms) from...where, exactly?
Once again. FAIL.
Stanley4
· 1 year ago
A personal trainer?....you should set higher goals. :snerk:
Tom_Blogical
· 1 year ago
Snerk all you want. I'll be running my own business in a very rewarding career profession, one that I'll enjoy much more than my former, and very successful I might add, career. Funny that you're thinking of the profession in a shortsighted manner, and I certainly don't intend on following the herd in the industry.
You stay classy, now. And keep reading those rule books from front-to-back as you claim.
Stanley4
· 1 year ago
Sorry....I was ready to post a couple of examples from your Blog, but my curiosity got the best of me. I clicked your profile and couldn't stop laughing. PT takes the same skill sets as fast food.
Best wishes on your soon to be "business". Let's move on
Tom_Blogical
· 1 year ago
"PT takes the same skill sets as fast food."
ROTFLMAO!! OK, now you're really showing how stupid you are. I'm pursuing dual degrees in Sports Management and Exercise Science. On top of that, since you measure success by reading job titles, I almost feel sorry for you.
"Let's move on."
That would be a wise move on your part. You're getting buried.
Best wishes in your life, loser.
Stanley4
· 1 year ago
My bad for the wording....LOL
....and thanks for posting the applicable rule(s).
Tom_Blogical
· 1 year ago
"....and thanks for posting the applicable rule(s)."
There's no need to. It's already been posted here by you. Since you disagree with the interpretation, then take it up with Rogers Redding, Secretary-Rules Editor, NCAA Football Rules Committee. He's the one who notified the PAC 10 about the way the rule should be interpreted.
Good luck!
Stanley4
· 1 year ago
I did not disagree with the A.R. by Rogers...learn to read. I said the interpretation did not exist in the 2008 Rule Book and A.R.....which is factual. Rogers issued one as he usually does when such an issue arises.
Tom_Blogical
· 1 year ago
You telling me to "learn to read" is hysterically funny, since in black and white, it's plainly telling everyone what's happening right now. USC will be charged a timeout, and UCLA will sacrifice one of their own in a gesture of sportsmanship.
All that's not just "factually correct". That's reality.
Tom_Blogical
· 1 year ago
No offense intended here, but it looks like USC, UCLA, the NCAA (specifically, Rogers Redding) and the rest of the world are interpreting the rule differently than you. You may want to go ahead and concede that you're wrong about the interpretation, given Redding's ruling, and since, as Kevin has already noted in this thread, that UCLA will be forgoing a timeout in the game in the interest of fairness because of the aforementioned ruling.
It would be the sporting thing of you to do, you know.
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
(FR-16) Administrative rules that can not be altered [by mutual consent of the institutions]: ... 1-4-3-a and d ...
PART1 - THE RULES ... SECTION 4 - Players and Playing Equiptment
(FR-30) Contrasting Colors ARTICLE 3. a. Players of opposing teams shall wear jerseys of contrasting colors, and the visiting team shall wear white jerseys. White jerseys may be worn by the home team when the teams have agreed before the season. Players of a team shall wear jerseys of the same color and design.
b. Definition of white jersey c. Definition of colored jersey d. Color of gloves (they must be grey)
Mandatory Equiptment Article 4. List of pads and equiptment needed for player safety.
Prohibited Equiptment Article 5. List of prohibited item for the safety of opposing players.
Color of jersey is not listed in Article 4 or 5 as this is not a safety issue, and the penalty of one time out per play, and then 5 yards after time outs have been exausted. does not apply to jersey color.
No penalty is in the rulebook for an infraction of 1-4-3-a, but it is obviously understood that it involved a timeout. Infact, prior to the recent interpretation it was thought by Carrol to be one per half, not the one at the opening kickoff. The rule was understood.
The best way to overturn a bad rule is to enforce it strictly. Civil dissobedience is part of being a good citizen.
This rule needs to change, and this game has a high enough profile to get the attention needed to do so. Which is more contrasting: The colors by the rules or the colors that will be used?
(This uses the colors defined in the institutions graphic identity statements. Actual colors of uniforms may differ from the rendering of computer monitors. Take for example UCLA Blue (R-78, G-134, B-149). )
The contrast with white (R,G,B-255) is 51588. The contrast with USC Cardinal (R-144, G,B-0) is 33413.
This is less than the 40000 defined above.
GA_Boy
· 1 year ago
Based on the precedent setting occurrences on 10/25/08: The NCAA has also ruled that wearing black at a home night game from now on is an unfair advantage to the Georgia Bulldogs and will be punishable by spotting the opposing team 31 points and moving to 2nd half immediately instead of making the DawgNation sit through the other team scoring 31 points.
Intent: - To allow institutions more flexibility in branding their marque games with the teams colors.
- To allow both teams to wear their primary colors to Bowl Games, when they are sufficently different.
- To improve the definition of contrast from white or colored to be the distance between the actual colors in the RGB color space. Blue is weighted to better reflect physiological perception.
- To allow the use of current home uniform colors. West Virginia's Yellow and North Carolina's Blue both have a contrast of 187 relative to white.
- To require a difference in jersey color more than 1/3 the difference between black and white, and a difference in color of 2/3 the difference between black and white for the numerals on the jersey and its primary color. (The contrast between Black and White is 403)
1-4-3 would be replaced with:
Definition of Contrast The square of the contrast between two colors is the sum of the squares of the difference in RGB components between the selected uniform colors, with the square of the difference in blue halved.
The RBG value of the institutions graphic identity is to be used, unless the NCAA has assigned a different value to the uniform.
Contrasting Colors The home and away teams must have a contrast in colors of 135. If they away team is wearing anything other than white they are in violation of this rule, unless a change of color with a valid contrast was agreed upon before the start of the season.
If the away team wears a color other than white and no agreement had been made or either team changes from an agreed upon color and violates the contrast requirement is violated the offending team is charged one time out at the start of each half, plus one at the start of overtime. This penalty does not offset if both teams change colors from a valid contrast agreed upon at the start of the season and a violation occurs.
The mandatory requirements for a jersey would be edited to include: Jersey Contrast The numers of the jersey must have a contrast of 268 from the primary color of the jersey. This would be subject to the much stricter penalties for violations of mandatory equiptment, as color is part of the equiptments design.
Using only FF, CC, 99, 66, 33 or 00: This is the lightest blue allowed on the lightest yellow allowed for a home uniform. This is the lighest red allowed on the lightest green. MERRY CHRISTMAS!
TigerEducated
· 1 year ago
Seriously, Bama_Babe...I just got a call from Gator_Babe812's mom...and she said she'd been in town here in Denham all this past Holiday weekend, talking straight smack about how bad Nick Saban's thinning top Butt-Cut part looks on HD...
For true...I SWEAR!
TheMayor
· 1 year ago
As much as I hate to give any credit to Rick Neuheisel..classy move to give up his time out. I am glad he's back in the Pac-10.
Anyone think that if San Diego fires Norv Turner (Duck) he might come back to coach the Huskies?????
Yes, I have been into the Cabernet tonight.
theHoundDawg
· 1 year ago
Neuheisel giving up a timeout in Saturday’s sc game is an abomination. The Bruins are out-manned, out-talented, and likely out-coached, and all of Bruindom is angry enough over this situation. We do not need our coach ceding one small advantage back to the brain surgeons; an unexpected advantage handed Neuheisel and the Bruins on a silver platter, by carroll as a bi-product of his egotism in desiring to flaunt his cardinal and yellow brain surgeon colors in the Bruin’s house.
I’ve defended Neuheisel despite the horrible season the Bruins have had, and stand by his coaching abilities and the bright future of the football program I see under his tutelage. But, this gift to the brain surgeons is a slap in the face to Bruin fans, alumni, and players.
Let carroll have his egotistical kicks, flaunt the University of Spoiled Children colors, and lose his timeouts. Neuheisel needs to keep his timeouts, and maybe that will help keep the margin of defeat under 50.
All Comments
the two teams oughta be able to wear whatever colors they damn well please, so long as they both agree before the game.
While I like the idea of more color on the field and - as you suggested - both teams agreeing to color schemes before the game would make this more plausible, I'm not sure how well this would work under legal and federal regulatory scrutiny (i.e. ADA and HIPAA) if a team had to reveal that one of their skill players was color-blind and therefore the visiting team must wear white. For that matter, the player disclosing this data to the team might raise questions too.
But perhaps all regulatory requirements could be satisfied if the color-blind player just alerted the officials when he entered the game, kinda like a 'tackle elgible' situation...
:-)
Do you know Bama Babe, off chance?
GO GATORS!!
In addition to OSHA and the SEC, ADA, and HIPAA, we need to run it by Ben Prather too, since he knows how to color code.
If I was so smart, I'd already know how to do those damn color codes already!
j/k
GO GATORS!!
and if we were related i would definetly have to laugh at her when florida kicks that @ss
:)
...she'll be around soon enough, I'm sure. She's pretty cool; a pretty knowledgeable poster--especially for a bammer.
The "connection" isn't a knock at all; just not too many "X_Babe's" posting around here, if you foller...
...and welcome aboard, b/t/w...
GO GATORS!!
We give Mad Props to Bama Babe because she posts a real picture of herself. That way, we KNOW she's a babe...
thats highly insulting
...Lennie C references never get old!
GO GATORS!!
Nice pic, too...
GO GATORS!!
And you just gave me one more reason why I can't wait for the game Saturday..
:)
They should have lost to LSU (i was at that game) Bama's players are mediocre at best.That is so cute, florida is gonna win with or without percy harvin
You guys havent played a real defense yet (brandon spikes) and florida isn't gonna give up 2 defensive touchdowns like some of the other people you've played
(before this week I would have included Matt Patchen, but, unfortunately, he's out for the season).
...IMO, the most underrated defense in cfb....
GO GATORS!!
....Just thought I'd do a little introducing before the game.
And honey, I do honestly think Alabama can win this game. See my post, http://www.fanblogs.com/ncaa/007915.php, for my opinion on what will have to happen.
And funny you mention the defensive touchdowns. Because all these big "blowouts" Florida has had, in most of them, at LEAST 14 points have come from the defense or special teams. You won't get that courtesy from Alabama.
Should be a good one. It's definitely the most important SEC game in a long time. The first-place prize is huge, but the award for the runner-up - although a BCS Bowl - just won't be as sweet as the advertised Sugar......
However, as the season has progressed, Bama has been having strong 2nd halves as well. The Tennessee game was a complete game, with Alabama playing strong for all 4 quarters.
Against Auburn, Alabama scored 26 2nd half points.
You can't just say, "Oh well since Florida is averaging 50 something points a game, and Alabama is averaging 30 something, then Florida is going to win 50-30."
That's why the game is played, GB.
Although TE is begging for the fight, I'm going to pretend you didn't say that.
..he is not gonna lose this game
Timmy Boy may not have a choice..
Just sayin' ;)
I respectfully beg to differgree...
I fully expect at least 14 pts. from sources other than Tebow & Co.
...as for Mt. Cody--we have an excavation crew arranged--a crew I like to call:
"The Great Wall of Florida, III"
Frankly, I believe that either of the Poucey twins will be able to handle Cody singlehandedly....
....he'll be limping off the field at half, complaining of back pain, and the flood gates will open!
GO GATORS!!
I agree to disagree. ;)
3 more days!
Roll Tide!
TIM TEBOW FOR HEISMAN!!!!!
...we were just beginning to have fun...
Oh well...actually life beckons anyway....
3 days it is...
Nice new pic, b/t/w.
GO GATORS!!
And we could sell tickets...
Wait on second thought it might be a fire hazard......
[Referee turns on field mic]
Number 78 has declared himself color-blind. The defense must now switch to white uniforms.
[whistle blows]
Unsportsmanlike conduct - the defense failed to switch to white uniforms - 15 yards, still first down.
That being said, I can certainly understand the disadvantage if the unis are close or almost the same in color.
It would be great to see OSU/Michigan games with both teams in home unis, though.
These individuals can easily spot camo if indigenous pigments are not used, and most of us don't even know we are colorblind until the navy tells us we can get the possition we were desiring, and can certainly distinguish the colors below (I can speak on authority here...)
The few cases where one or more color is missing from a person's vision (or more commonly two colors are merged into one) would be like a kicker missing an arm. If it caused a player to tackle or block the wrong player that is vital to the possition, but color is not even near the top of the way players determine who is on thier team.
This rule is designed to help the refs determine which team a player is on from a fleeting glance.
The insistance that the away team be white is too restrictive for this purpose. A specified difference in the color space is a much better solution. I think it would be great to see most teams compete in their colors, when they are not similar.
Perhaps not legally, but if one is not able to view colors properly, it amounts to a disability, in my book. A small quibble, if you will. Good stuff, though. There's a good pic showing the 5 different types of color blindness at the link I provided. Thanks for serving in the Navy, BTW.
I said, "What the heck," (I was in Utah at the time), "I see colors just fine!" and did research to find out what they were talking about.
Maybe if two of Utah, Alabama, Oklahoma or any of the other red and white teams play it would make sense. Maybe if USC played FSU it would make sense. For USC and UCLA the primary colors can be distinguished even on a black and white TV.
How about this rule:
Take the primary color's RBG values and find the difference between the two for each component. If (dR^2)+(dB)^2+(dG)^2 is less than some threshold, the violating team is charged one time out per half.
If the visiting team is wearing anything other than white, they are the violating team. If the visiting team is in white the home team is the violating team.
A difference of 255 in one component is a very strong difference in color, so the square of this, 65025, is a good threshold. To allow Tennessee and Clemson orange, or UCLA and North Carolina blue this would need to be cut in half, to about 35000. One may wonder why no one has an offending red...
Cases in point:
USC runs a maroon that has an RBG roughly 150, 25, 25. UCLA's blue is close to 25, 200, 200.
This has a difference of 76875, well above the recommended threshold.
Indeed, UCLA's blue is closer to white, 255, 255, 255, having a threshold of 58950.
USC is distinguished from UCLA, the intent of this rule, MORE by thier maroon jerseys than thier white jerseies.
chill out. this is just a uniform thread... haha
Perhaps it could be worded better:
If the sum of the squares of the difference in RBG components between the selected uniform colors is less than 35000 a uniform color violation has occured and the violating team is charged one time out per half.
If the visiting team is wearing anything other than white they are the violating team, otherwise the home team is in violation.
This allows much more flexibility to the teams to choose their uniforms, and add distinctive color branding of marque rivalries.
Besides, I would love to see Utah reds on the road more!
If you can read this, this, this, and this, then 35000 is enough of a threshold.
GO GATORS!!
They should look like this, this, this, this, this, this and this.
The weight of the square of the blue component needs to be 2. also using a perfect square of 40000 is better.
If the sum of the squares of the difference in RGB components between the selected uniform colors, with the square of the difference in blue halved, is less than 40000 a uniform color violation has occured and the violating team is charged one time out per half.
If the visiting team is wearing anything other than white they are the violating team, otherwise the home team is in violation.
We now have the Red, Green, Blue, Yellow, Cyan, Magenta, Grey and Orange closest to white permitted by this rule for the home team.
So do what exactly do you type to get it to come out these wonderful colors?
I remember from (http://www.fanblogs.com/ncaa/007733.php#comment...) that you enter something like:
style="color:#FFAA00;background-color:#000099"
Blah. I bet that didn't work.
<style=orangeblueFFA>stylebackground-color00922>
Geez I suck at this...
For these I have been adding style to the bold attribute as the bold also gives the color more power.
In the < > and after the B you add: style="color:#RRGGBB"
RR GG and BB are two digit hexidecimal values for the colors.
You can use style="color:#RRGGBB;background-color:RRGGBB" to set both.
This would result in something like this.
Testing...
Gar...so when do I put in the text that I want to be color-coded?
Thanks for the help, I really know squat about computer language, but LOVE color-coding...
TEXT EFFECT HERE
Dang it!!!!!!!
lol
Between the < and the word style you will need a B.
after the > you will put the text then you will put /B between < > to end the effect.
This last step is important. Not following this last step WILL get your comments deleted!!
It should look like:
<B style="you got a dark green text with a bright orange background above">TEXT EFFECT HERE</B>
http://www.webmonkey.com/reference/HTML_Cheatsheet
...though I know from experience that Disqus does not implement all of HTML, so forget about those embedded Javascripts you're thinking of, folks.
Over the next few days, I'm going to try to figure out how all this stuff works, so don't think I'm trying to spam a thread; just marvel at how I figured out how to turn the darn computer on...
edit: Well whaddya know....it worked...lol. Thx.
Geaux Tigers
Geaux SEC
...it sounds rather technical. We are talk'n football, aren't we? (or should that be, were'nt we?). Keep it simple: white, or primary color, home team picks, end of discussion.
Game on!
GO GATORS!!
Sheesh! Tool....
Can anyone think of a home team that prefers white as their home jersey? LSU and the Dallas Cowboys come to mind. I'm talking about permanent situations--not the occasional 'throwback' games.
PENN STATE...
( Washington actually pioneered this in the NFL in the 60's. The NFL rule allows the home team to choose whites or colors. The Saints also likes home whites. The only time you see these three teams in dark is when they play each other. Sorry Kevin, now back to college football...)
Speaking of blue:
I always thought it was a huge advantage for Boise State to where their BLUE jerseys on their home field BLUE turf. It lloks like they would blend in. I have never actually played on the field against the smurfs, so I cannot say for sure.
[sorry...didn't see BP's...]
GO GATORS!!
Missouri's yellow is dark enough to be allowed, and Oklahoma's red would actually be preferred against them over their white.
..all you'd see is the refs...
(I suppose Kentucky could pull it off too without changing the hats...but they'd need the TO's).
GO GATORS!!
"....upon further review...it appears that the ball actually hit one of the palyers, before hitting the field...one moment please....[ref goes back to booth]..."was it a FL player, or BSU player...shit!...is that a helmet???....F$% it..." [ref sneaks triple swig of Jack Daniels from his flask]....
"....video evidence confirms the ruling on the field..."
GO GATORS!!
Too bad I didn't learn to spele while I was there.
The Oakland Terrace Terriers?
Unless you also apply the rules of taste, which eliminates anything but green.
Its hard to even see the players they blend into the field so much. I can only watch a few minutes then i get nausea.
There is nothing in the rule book that backs that assertion. Rule 1-4-3a
They seem to think you're... what's the word... wrong.
Read the 2nd paragraph:
"Rule 1-4-4 (FR-31) does not show contrasting or white jerseys in the list of mandatory equipment, and Rule 1-4-5 (FR-32) does not specify that non-compliance with the jersey color rules constitutes illegal equipment."
1-4-4 note the words: DOES NOT
1-4-5 note the words: DOES NOT
If it were in the Rule Book or the existing A.R.'s, he'd simply give the reference....since it's not, he wrote one today.
But, as I said, simply give the page number and I'll stand corrected....
What good would that have done you in 1998?
That being said, I would assume one of the following. That Stanley4 suffers from Asperger's syndrome, is an attorney, finds mind-numbing, repetitive and ridiculously boring information interesting (despite the minor changes from year-to-year), he's a referee or coach, or that he's a rules geek. Or maybe all of the above.
Not that there's anything wrong with any of that, because someone that knowledgeable of NCAA football rules is definitely interesting to have around at least one day of the week during football season.
Once again. FAIL.
You stay classy, now. And keep reading those rule books from front-to-back as you claim.
Best wishes on your soon to be "business". Let's move on
ROTFLMAO!! OK, now you're really showing how stupid you are. I'm pursuing dual degrees in Sports Management and Exercise Science. On top of that, since you measure success by reading job titles, I almost feel sorry for you.
"Let's move on."
That would be a wise move on your part. You're getting buried.
Best wishes in your life, loser.
....and thanks for posting the applicable rule(s).
There's no need to. It's already been posted here by you. Since you disagree with the interpretation, then take it up with Rogers Redding, Secretary-Rules Editor, NCAA Football Rules Committee. He's the one who notified the PAC 10 about the way the rule should be interpreted.
Good luck!
All that's not just "factually correct". That's reality.
It would be the sporting thing of you to do, you know.
Administrative rules that can not be altered [by mutual consent of the institutions]:
...
1-4-3-a and d
...
PART1 - THE RULES
...
SECTION 4 - Players and Playing Equiptment
(FR-30)
Contrasting Colors
ARTICLE 3. a. Players of opposing teams shall wear jerseys of contrasting colors, and the visiting team shall wear white jerseys. White jerseys may be worn by the home team when the teams have agreed before the season. Players of a team shall wear jerseys of the same color and design.
b. Definition of white jersey
c. Definition of colored jersey
d. Color of gloves (they must be grey)
Mandatory Equiptment
Article 4. List of pads and equiptment needed for player safety.
Prohibited Equiptment
Article 5. List of prohibited item for the safety of opposing players.
Color of jersey is not listed in Article 4 or 5 as this is not a safety issue, and the penalty of one time out per play, and then 5 yards after time outs have been exausted. does not apply to jersey color.
No penalty is in the rulebook for an infraction of 1-4-3-a, but it is obviously understood that it involved a timeout. Infact, prior to the recent interpretation it was thought by Carrol to be one per half, not the one at the opening kickoff. The rule was understood.
The best way to overturn a bad rule is to enforce it strictly. Civil dissobedience is part of being a good citizen.
This rule needs to change, and this game has a high enough profile to get the attention needed to do so. Which is more contrasting: The colors by the rules or the colors that will be used?
(This uses the colors defined in the institutions graphic identity statements. Actual colors of uniforms may differ from the rendering of computer monitors. Take for example UCLA Blue (R-78, G-134, B-149). )
The contrast with white (R,G,B-255) is 51588.
The contrast with USC Cardinal (R-144, G,B-0) is 33413.
This is less than the 40000 defined above.
The NCAA has also ruled that wearing black at a home night game from now on is an unfair advantage to the Georgia Bulldogs and will be punishable by spotting the opposing team 31 points and moving to 2nd half immediately instead of making the DawgNation sit through the other team scoring 31 points.
GO DAWGS!
GO GATORS!!
Intent:
- To allow institutions more flexibility in branding their marque games with the teams colors.
- To allow both teams to wear their primary colors to Bowl Games, when they are sufficently different.
- To improve the definition of contrast from white or colored to be the distance between the actual colors in the RGB color space. Blue is weighted to better reflect physiological perception.
- To allow the use of current home uniform colors. West Virginia's Yellow and North Carolina's Blue both have a contrast of 187 relative to white.
- To require a difference in jersey color more than 1/3 the difference between black and white, and a difference in color of 2/3 the difference between black and white for the numerals on the jersey and its primary color. (The contrast between Black and White is 403)
1-4-3 would be replaced with:
Definition of Contrast
The square of the contrast between two colors is the sum of the squares of the difference in RGB components between the selected uniform colors, with the square of the difference in blue halved.
The RBG value of the institutions graphic identity is to be used, unless the NCAA has assigned a different value to the uniform.
Contrasting Colors
The home and away teams must have a contrast in colors of 135. If they away team is wearing anything other than white they are in violation of this rule, unless a change of color with a valid contrast was agreed upon before the start of the season.
If the away team wears a color other than white and no agreement had been made or either team changes from an agreed upon color and violates the contrast requirement is violated the offending team is charged one time out at the start of each half, plus one at the start of overtime. This penalty does not offset if both teams change colors from a valid contrast agreed upon at the start of the season and a violation occurs.
The mandatory requirements for a jersey would be edited to include:
Jersey Contrast
The numers of the jersey must have a contrast of 268 from the primary color of the jersey.
This would be subject to the much stricter penalties for violations of mandatory equiptment, as color is part of the equiptments design.
Using only FF, CC, 99, 66, 33 or 00:
This is the lightest blue allowed on the lightest yellow allowed for a home uniform.
This is the lighest red allowed on the lightest green. MERRY CHRISTMAS!
For true...I SWEAR!
Anyone think that if San Diego fires Norv Turner (Duck) he might come back to coach the Huskies?????
Yes, I have been into the Cabernet tonight.
I’ve defended Neuheisel despite the horrible season the Bruins have had, and stand by his coaching abilities and the bright future of the football program I see under his tutelage. But, this gift to the brain surgeons is a slap in the face to Bruin fans, alumni, and players.
Let carroll have his egotistical kicks, flaunt the University of Spoiled Children colors, and lose his timeouts. Neuheisel needs to keep his timeouts, and maybe that will help keep the margin of defeat under 50.