DISQUS

Regan · 1 year ago

What a moron. He gets paid for his opinion and I don't. Flag on the Play....

Dan · 1 year ago

How is it where USC is included in this formula, they lost to Oregon St. and play in the PAC-10
Anyone of those but USC.

Candagallo · 1 year ago

Obviously, Tom Dinehart has Penn State mixed up with those chokers and losers from Columbus. PSU's bowl record is superb. Anyway, Joe Paterno has been advocating a playoff for years. That's how he has been left out of the Championship Game before, particularly in 1994, when the Nittany Lions could have easily beaten Nebraska.

NMLSooner · 1 year ago

Although I have great respect for Penn State, that last statement about beating Nebraska easily, is ridiculous. They may have beaten them, but not easily.

BIGPAPIinAZ · 1 year ago

Kerry Collins, Kyle Brady, Ki-Jana Carter....the1994 PSU Nittany Lions had it all. I'm going to have to agree with Candagallo....Penn St. would've EASILY destroyed Nebraska!!! Luckily, the voters were very eager to give Tom Osborne an undeserved Nat'l Championship at the first opportunity..like when he actually won a bowl game.

Zac · 1 year ago

I oft get confused with the dates here. If we're talking the same NE team, which lost to FSU for the NC in '94, then, yes, I would agree; Penn St could have beaten either of those teams. If we're talking the NE team which won the NC in '95, then, I'd have to say Penn St would have given them a run for the money, but the Huskers would have prevailed. JMO.

PsiChiPsu · 1 year ago

This was the first freakin' column/article I read this morning after a late nite.......

First, the column is somewhat incoherent in that he brings up JoePa's undefeated seasons out of nowhere and claims that is argument against PSU?!?!? (makes no sense).

The first premise of his whole argument seems to revolve around the past representation in NC by OSU. Please excuse my caps, but PSU IS NOT OSU.

The 2nd premise seems to be...because OSU is 2nd rate, the defense oriented game between PSU/OSU was dull and boring and neither one could match up with a Big 12 or SEC team. OSU is not the same team that lost to USC. And, it is unfortunate that Dienhart doesn't have the attention span to watch a defensive game; he needs the quick fix of a score every 3-4 minutes to keep himself interested.

The PSU/OSU game reminded me a lot of the PSU/Miami game for the NC. A high-flying offense led by Testeverde was shut down and it turned into a defensive quagmire...it would come down to who makes the biggest blunder first...and, just like Miami, OSU made the big blunder that PSU was able to capitalize on.

It is too bad that Dienhart can't appreciate a defensive game...a good defense can shut down a fancy, high-powered offense...especially those offenses that operate on an 80%passing/20% rushing game.

I'm really looking forward to playing Texas...no way will Alabama hang on for much longer

PittsburghTiger · 1 year ago

I don't think I would say OSU's offense looked like anything close to Miami's offense from that season.....

indieguy · 1 year ago

What happened between Florida and Michigan again last year?

TampaGator · 1 year ago

...you mean how a Michigan team loaded with seniors and which began the season with national title aspirations, but which had to settle for a meeting in a second tier bowl with a very young, inexperienced team in a re-building stage, then barely won?

Is that the game you're referring to???


GO GATORS!!

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

Did Michigan get the "W" or not? You're doing your own team a disservice by attempting to discredit the victory. Come on TampaGator, you're better than that.

TampaGator · 1 year ago

The point is that Michigan--UF game is a horrible example to point to, among plenty to chose from....and no, I don't think there's any disservice putting the game into proper context. UF was young; our defense was just plain bad. We were over matched due to cred we rode from the previous season (riding our own coat tails, as it were), while Michigan was under matched, due to the their opening day egg-laying to app'y state. Big picture, you know that UF (compiments of "superman" heroics) overachieved, while a loaded Michigan team, inexplicably underachieved.

There are plenty of games where the SEC team was expected to blow out or at least handily beat a Big 10 team, but the Big 10 team actually won--like the '06 Outback Bowl--in fact, wasn't that Penn State, come to think of it?

That said, I suppose Michigan Fan should take some solace from that win, since, according to them, they got screwed out of NC in favor of UF. Bittersweet revenge, right? So be it...our crystal remains untarnished.


GO GATORS!!

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

I understand where you're coming from...but even Florida should've destroyed Michigan if you listen to most SEC fans, despite the status of either team at that time.

"So be it...our crystal remains untarnished."

DOH! You just had to get that in there, didn't you? Sly devil.

GO BUCKS!!

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

Well...

At least UF will always have January 8, 2007...

I'm satisfied with that...

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

Sure. Quick to talk about anything else, slow to talk about the original point of the comment. Well actually, you ignored it altogether. Guess I'd do that, too. Oh wait...I can!

At least OSU will always have January 3, 2003...

I'm satisfied with that...

TampaGator · 1 year ago

Have you got the DVD commemorating the season? Ya gotta' get it; a must have....

....but frankly, even more than the championship DVD, is the one commemorating 100 years of Florida football, released in '06 (before we even knew we'd be champs...)--it's called Gridiron Gators. I've watched that thing so many times, my player doesn't even need the DVD in it; it's ingrained in the player!

Commentary, classic footage, and several anecdotes about and from THE Bull Gator (Ray Graves); Steve Spurrier; Cris Collinsworth; Jack Youngblood; Emmitt Smith; Danny Wuerfel; Mr. Two Bits; Wilbur Marshall; Nat Moore; James Bates; Chris Doering; Carlos Alvarez; John Reeves; Urban Meyer; Brandon Siler...and on and on......good stuff man.

Chill bumps, every damn time I watch that thing...


GO GATORS!!

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

Is Cris Collinsworth on it? I USED to be a Bengals...er...Bungles fan, and have always liked good ole Cris.

TampaGator · 1 year ago

Yep. Interestingly, CC was recruited by UF as a QB, then later moved to wideout, when he was beaten for starding qb by Wayne Peace, if recollection serves--you may know him from a SI cover "the Peace Corp" or something along those lines--about the Gators' air attack, with Wayne Peace on it.

b/t/w: Collinsworth did play some as a qb at UF, and still holds the school record for longest pass from scrimage--99 yards. To clarify, he was on the THROWING end of that equation.


GO GATORS!!

PrinceMarko · 1 year ago

Give me a freaking break. You Florida fans were talking about putting up 100 points vs Michigan and this and that. I live in the Tampa area and married a Gator family..... Not ONE Gator fan in the world thought that Michigan could beat them, regardless of my arguments that Michigan had played one snap healthy that year.

Henne, Hart, Manningham, Arrington and Jake Long pushed the Gators around like they were little kids. And still that the Gators talked crap a year later. Just take your loss like a man and say you got beat by a better team and that your defense was the most over-rated crew in football that year. Hopefully Urban corrected that and will be tested vs Georgia.

PS. We'll see how good the Gators are next year with Tebow, Harvin, CI and some of the rest of the Juniors leaving for the NFL.

You'll be lucky to be 6-6.

TampaGator · 1 year ago

Princess:

(I'm sorry; I normally don't stoop to name calling, but The Babe hung that one on you in another thread, and it just floored me...LOL...couldnt resist)

Look: I never said I didn't BELIEVE Florida would beat Michigan; I don't think I have it in me to see my Gators take the field with anyone, and think they're going to lose. I'm hardwired against such defeatist thinking--in fact, it's programmed into you from the day you step foot on campus, at orientation....part of the initial indoctrination process....BUT, if you step back, and look at the big picture, at the end of the day, UF over achieved, while Michigan's season was an unmitigated disaser. Well; there was that little bit of mitigation I mentioned above; you got your revenge...we got your crystal ball (HAHAHA!).

b/t/w: Gators will be just fine, post Tebow. Cameron Newton was almost as desirable a recruit as Tebow waiting in the wings, and...it gets even better; John Brantley--he broke Tebow's records in HS. As for CI and Harvin; can you say Jeff Demps...Chris Rainey...Deonte Thompson...Aaron Hernandez....Riley Cooper....Carl Moore...Paul Wilson...

You have no idea how loaded we are bubba....and how deeeeeeeeeep....

Give it up already; you live in Florida; you married into the Gator Nation; do you seriously sit around and dream about goloshes and snow shovels, and grey wet slush.....skank ass Detroit....and the rest of the crap Michigan represents?

Turn to the dark side, Luuuuuuuuuuuuuuke....


GO GATORS!!

PrinceMarko · 1 year ago

I'll NEVER turn to the dark side.

Pahlease quit with the BS about being ok w/o Harvin and Tebow. Those guys carry the team every game. Demps only gets room because defenses are deathly afraid of Tebow or Harvin. Remove those two and Florida has nothing but trick plays that Urban can win on.

And spare me the crap about you not thinking Michigan was going to get pummeled by Florida last year. My brother-in-law dropped a thousand on that game even after I told him that Michigan was going to run over them. Tampa radio stations, so-called analysts, absurd Gator fans with no sense of reality just wrote the Wolverines off. I am sure you did also.

Regardless, as long as you have Charlie Strong as Defensive Catastr...Coordinator, your defense will never live up to its potential.

This is Urbans last year in Florida's window of oppurtunity to win another championship. Next year, its off to the NFL for Tebow to become a tight end.

TampaGator · 1 year ago

Tebow's going to save the world after graduation; NFL is an afterthought....didn't the Wuerffel story teach you anything? Wuerffel is Tebow's hero; if he don't get one of them crystal thing-a-majiggers this year, he's coming back. Deal, son.

b/t/w: did you miss the part where I mentioned that we have more than mere warm boddies to fill those voids? Do I really need to cut&paste, or can I simply refer you to my last post? Let's try the reference thing first, shall we?


GO GATORS!!

PrinceMarko · 1 year ago

Did you miss the part where I said those warm bodies only get open because of the coverage dedicated to Harvin and Tebow?

TampaGator · 1 year ago

LAMO! Nope; didn't miss it; I thought I must be missing something else. That's all you got? It basically amounts to wishful thinking...

John Brantley throws a freak'n LASER; Cam Newton runs like a gazel. Harvin isn't as fast as Demps, nor as durable as Rainey...

...and just wait til Eman'l Moody gets a little more comfortable...

Oh, and uh...b/t/w....we still got Tim Tebow and Percy Harvin, and they'll both be back for their senior year.


GO GATORS!!

lbu828694 · 1 year ago

It would have been nice if Tom explained why their not worthy. Piggybacking this team on the past of Ohio State is a half-assed argument.

Tommy_Trojan · 1 year ago

The Big 10 has been getting beat by the PAC 10 Champ for many years prior to BCS. It has been known for a very long time, out west, that the Big 10 Champ is almost always way overrated. It's not good enough, that the Big 10 has us locked into the Rose Bowl, but they seem to need to get themselves "locked in" to the BCS NC game every year. The BCS commish is from the Big 10 has has just signed a contract extension. Get used to it.

PrinceMarko · 1 year ago

Isnt the BCS commish from the SEC?

jeff · 1 year ago

it is a half-assed argument. using the same argument texas should not have belonged in the 2005 championship based solely on oklahoma's dreadful performances in the 2 previous championship games. i believe texas went on to win that game. and texas' marquee win that year? a road win at ohio state.

Kevin · 1 year ago

I gotta laugh. There are three games left in the season!!! Let the season finish first!!! The pollsters can do there thing with rankings and let the GREAT BCS work its mystical magic. If guys like Tommy_Trojan want there team to be in the NCG every year, let them. It doesn't matter what you have seen in the past. It only matters this year. OSU getting beat in two consecutive NCG's means the OSU has a good program. At least good enough for the voters to rank them high enough so the GREAT BCS puts them into the NCG.

As for the Big Ten getting beat by the PAC Ten every year...who cares. It carries no weight this year. Last year was last year.

If the PAC Ten (or its fans) feels locked into the Rose Bowl, that team can opt out of playing in the Rose Bowl. Simple as that. Let another team play. Just quit pissin and moanin about it.

As for USC, great team, sour fans. Beat the folks in Corvallis and you are ranked #1. That didn't happen. Move on.

Dan · 1 year ago

Tommy, if you want to talk history, you're talking about a coach who has won a ton of bowl games, and a team with winning all-time records against every conference in football, with the exception of a 16-16 mark against the SEC (largely due to the Penn State-Bama series dominated by Bear Bryant over Rip Engle). Penn State has a 4-4 record against USC (3-3 since 1990). USC has been excellent again since Pete Carroll came aboard, but if you didn't want us to play in the title game, all you had to do was beat Oregon State.

1Tomcat · 1 year ago

I'd like to see any team in America including PSU, Bama,Fla, UGA,USC play OU, Missu, OK State & Texas Tech in consecutive weeks without at least one loss.
Oklahoma State can beat anybody and would match up real good against any of these teams and they would probably whup the H outa Oregon St and Ole Miss, they should be the highest ranked 1 loss team IMO
Hookem-Horns

CLT_Cock · 1 year ago

I remember the hype that was Oklahoma St last year that got beat by UGA 35-14.

1Tomcat · 1 year ago

That was last year,this is now-2008 As you will recall in the begining of last season OK state had a different QB he now plays for Texas Southeren and every year, every team is different, as you may recall, that was an early season game. You will see as the season progresses how these guys do against Texas Tech and Oklahoma prior to their bowl appearance. They could possibly lose one or two more who knows I really dont see any real dominat team, but instead alot of really tough teams going at it each week. Last year was last year OK st beat Texas Tech--UGa beat Fla
This year might be different, because we all know that the game is played on the feild and not on message boards. The Cowboys team that I have seen this season would match up real well against any team in the country.

Tommy_Trojan · 1 year ago

Dan,

I don't really care if Penn State plays in the Title game. If they finish off at 12-0, and JoePa has been slighted in the past, then so be it. The Trojans are not going to get into the game. We'll finish off at 11-1, get to blast Ohio State in the Rose Bowl, and finish up at #2 in the country again. My biggest bitch is that we are gonna be playing Ohio State again. That will be courtesy of your Big 10 commissioner, and this wonderful arrangement, that everybody out here is getting real tired of. In the BCS era - the Rose Bowl does not work anymore. What really bothers me is that the SEC wants to claim some kinda prize for beating down Big 10 teams - yet USC has never received any for doing the same thing. It's a double standard.

Yes, Penn State has a much better bowl record than most teams - rivaling Alabama and USC in that catagory. There is a good chance that Penn State shows up much better than Ohio State has. But my opinion is that Florida will blow out Penn State, Penn State would beat a Big 12 Champ, and in either case the best two teams will not be on the field. But, in our pathetic BCS setup where the "best team" somehow did not lose, Penn State would certainly deserve to play in the farce that is called the BCS Championship game.

JaredIsKing · 1 year ago

I agree with what TT said:

"The U of Southern California has been getting beat by Oregon State for many years prior to today. It has been known for a very long time, out west, that USC is almost always way overrated. It's not good enough, that USC has to play the Rose Bowl every year with an unfair advantage as the home team, but they seem to need to get themselves "locked in" to the BCS NC game picture every year too. Pete Caroll from the USC has has no balls. Get used to it."

1Tomcat · 1 year ago

This is purty funny thanks KingJared LOL

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

"Besides, Paterno is used to fashioning an unbeaten team, then getting left out of the championship party. That has happened four times: 1968, 1969, 1973 and 1994."

As if Penn State had any direct control over that. What a putz.

Well Penn State fans. Get used to talk like this. I'm glad that big target is on your team now instead of on mine.

1Tomcat · 1 year ago

Deihart dont know Jack about CFB at this point in the season looks like PSU could go all the way, because the 4 top ten B-12 teams are gonna chew each other up
UT vs Tex Tech
OK st vs Texas Tech
Texas Tech vs OU
OK st vs OU
And they are all in the south division

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

Yeah, there's going to be a reckoning in the College Football world. And it's coming soon!

Ftbl Fan · 1 year ago

...and this guy gets paid for this nonsense?

Porcine · 1 year ago

Didn't Penn State decline a Cotton Bowl bid against Texas in 1969?

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

I was still pooping my pants in 1969, so I'll defer to someone else.

Bevo_Boy · 1 year ago

Yeah they did. Tom B, I wasn't born for another 22 years, and I still know the answer :-)

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

Well sure. You care about Texas football history. And in this one case, Penn State's! :-)

PittsburghTiger · 1 year ago

now i am no big bama fan here but coach bryant did not dominate psu under rip engle. bryant's teams were 4-0 against paterno coached teams.

Bevo_Boy · 1 year ago

Isn't Rivals run by Bama fans? And wouldn't they want to do whatever it took for Bama to play in the MNC? I think he thinks Bama will lose somewhere and is already trying to make an argument to keep in the MNC hunt. JMO

PittsburghTiger · 1 year ago

I can see PSU getting shafted though. If it happened to Auburn it can happen again.

"BC" · 1 year ago

AMEN BROTHER!!!!!!

Penn State is a freaking joke. just like OSU was the last 2 years.
Oh my god. can you imagine the beatdown we'd all witness if they were to play georgia, alabama, florida, usc, or texas?
i will not watch the NC game if there isnt an SEC team in there.
because if there isnt, then obviously the best 2 teams were not selected.

honestly, i think the SEC should champ should get an automatic NC bid every year until they get beat.
an SEC team has never lost the BCS NC game.

Clemson_Joe · 1 year ago

"Oh my god. can you imagine the beatdown we'd all witness if they were to play georgia, alabama, florida, usc, or texas?"

Penn State blasted Oregon State a little less than 3 weeks before they beat USC.

How exactly is Penn State a joke? I'm sorry but that lacks quite a bit of logic.

"BC" · 1 year ago

how is penn state a joke?
they play in the big ten. what more do you need?
maybe we should see the big ten win a BCS bowl before we let them back in the NC game. The SEC has won every time its appeared in the NC game.
do you really think Penn State would beat USC in the rose bowl?
i dont think theyd even come close.
penn state plays one decent team this year. that was OSU.
now theyre done. and a 1-loss florida or alabama is MUCH better than an undefeated Big Ten.
didnt we see that the last 2 years?
how many times does it take voters to learn something?

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

"maybe we should see the big ten win a BCS bowl before we let them back in the NC game."

I'm assuming you'll want to reword that.. I'm sure you misspoke, because I cannot believe you'd have such a selective memory, or worse, a lack of knowledge of recent BCS bowl history. Hell, Ohio State by themselves has won 4 BCS bowl games.

"didnt we see that the last 2 years?
how many times does it take voters to learn something?"

Good heavens. You do realize teams field different personnel every year...right? You do realize the slate is wiped clean and we all start over from scratch every year...right?

"do you really think Penn State would beat USC in the rose bowl?
i dont think theyd even come close."

That's your opinion, and I'm wondering if that would be the case myself. But to find out, they'll have to PLAY THE GAME.

You're making statements that are simply preposterous.

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

You know what? This game you've got going on here is so much fun, I think I'm gonna play it again!

"maybe we should see the big ten win a BCS bowl before we let them back in the NC game."

Well, well, well. It seems that Alabama has played in ONE BCS bowl game. It was the FedEx Orange Bowl, and was played on Saturday, January 1, 2000. It just so happens they LOST that ONE BCS Bowl game in overtime by a score of 35-34.

The juiciest part? They lost to...wait for it......wait for it...MICHIGAN!!! Hey, the last time I checked, Michigan plays in...wait for it......wait for it...the BIG 10(11)!!! (You do remember that Alabama was ranked #4 and Michigan was ranked #8 at the time, right?)

"how many times does it take voters to learn something"

Good question. Now take that goofy logic you use to try to disqualify the Big 10(11) from BCS National Championship Games, and apply it to Alabama.

Still think that's fair?

1Tomcat · 1 year ago

Good post Tom- every year starts off differently and argueing about conference strength against an SEC fan, a Bama fan no less, reminds me of a country song-" pissing in the wind" by Jerry Jeff Walker.
Bama fans like to revisit history and remember the good ole days like loosing to Texas during one of their so-called Nat Championship years. Bama has never beaten Texas 7-0-1 vs Bama. I would love to see a Texas vs Bama / or PSU game. Its way early in the season to start talking MNC games Texas has 4 more games to play two on the road, then a Championship if they make it that far, but even if we drop one I hope we get a SEC team in a bowl especially Bama.
Hookem-Horns

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

"Good post Tom- every year starts off differently and argueing about conference strength against an SEC fan, a Bama fan no less, reminds me of a country song-" pissing in the wind" by Jerry Jeff Walker."

Yeah, I know. I'm just irritated every time I hear the lazy, dishonest, selective logic that the Big 10(11) sucks because OSU lost 2 NC games in a row, when in the same years, there were Big 10(11) teams who beat SEC teams, and other conferences. Usually, this is an attempt to say, "see, the SEC is better!" (This "logic" usually comes from SEC fans, so I'll use that as an example.) I agree that the SEC has probably been the best conference for a few years, but not because of twisted logic like that.

Isn't it funny that these people never seem to apply that same logic to their conference or school?

In addition to selective memory and selective logic, a lot of people also like to play the Discredit Game. In order to "prove" the selective logic, one is trapped into attempting to discredit all the BCS games the Big 10(11) has won. The biggest joke is when people try to discount Ohio State's NC game in 2002/2003, then try to use ONE PLAY in the game to supposedly justify OSU didn't earn it somehow. I guess the rest of the game never happened! At some point we all have to agree that we give teams their due when they win the games they win. Winning should take care of everything. Period.

Otherwise, this kind of lazy intellectual thinking is going to come back and bite these people right in the ass. Just ask BC.

"BC" · 1 year ago

haha.
you guys talk just like the voters - without using your brain.
hold on for a minute.
throw records out.
throw conference affiliation out.
throw everything out except what you see on TV when the teams play.

now rank the teams.
i'll do it:
1. Florida
2. Alabama
3. Texas
4. Georgia
5. Oklahoma
6. Oklahoma State
7. USC
8. LSU
9. Penn State
10. Texas Tech

anyone care to disagree with these rankings RIGHT NOW?
you're just as mindless as the voters.
of course, games are played every week.
thats why new polls are released every week.
this top 10 could change after next week.
but right now, how can you argue with this??

Florida basically runs the same thing as Texas, but with better players, and more speed.

Say whatever you want, but regardless of records, i think it would be a shame to watch the SEC champ blow out the opposition in the Sugar Bowl and just wonder, "maybe that conference was still the best."
this year, i think it would be a shame to see anything but the SEC champ play the Big XII champ for the NC.

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

"anyone care to disagree with these rankings RIGHT NOW?"

Well, which is it? Do you want to talk about history to "justify" your mindless chatter, or do you want to talk about what's happening right now? How many times do you want to move the goal posts around? From the looks of your latest comment, you still want to have it BOTH WAYS. The world doesn't work that way, son.

More selective thinking. Just how painful is it to go though all those world class gymnastics to write such ridiculous tripe?

At any rate, I'm very sorry to inform you that moving the goalposts around to suit your needs disqualifies you from an honest discussion. Thanks for playing.

And for the record, I'll take the rankings as they are in the real world, right now. That's where the adults are in charge, and where children who think like you aren't. Thank God for that.

"BC" · 1 year ago

yeah thank god right??
i mean they sure got it right putting your ridiculously over-rated buckeyes in the last 2 years right?
my god, if somehow PSU gets in to play florida or alabama, the telecast should be rated TV-MA for the beatdown that's sure to ensue. kids might need to leave the room for that gory slaughter of an NC game.

im just a fan that's looking for justice.
the big ten has BEEN exposed. i just hope the voters are smart enough not to make the same mistake 3 times in a row.
and i would also hope that you, being a wise adult, not make the mistake of buying a ticket to the rose bowl should your team get selected.

thank you.

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

Since you refuse to acknowledge some simple details that destroy your line of thinking, allow me to point them out for you.

1. There were other games going on besides the NC games in the 2 games you seem to be narrowly focusing on to establish your opinion about a wide variety of teams. Ohio State played in ONE of them each year. The Big 10(11) held their own the rest of the way.

2. Each year is a different year, and each team uses different personnel. Which is why we all start from a clean slate every year. That one's so obvious I expected even you to get that one.

3. By using your own logic, you've disqualified Alabama from going to the NC game. Then you turn around and rank them #2 and qualify them for the NC game. Do you not see the complete absurdity in this? (That's a rhetorical question...you know...one that I really don't expect you to answer.)

4. I agree the Big 10(11) has not been up to par for a few years, and the SEC has been in the upper echelon's of the conferences. But I still believe in giving each conference and team an OPPORTUNITY TO PROVE OTHERWISE. One day the Big 10(11)'s and the SEC's roles will be reversed, and you'll be thanking people who think like me. People who want to give each team an OPPORTUNITY TO PROVE OTHERWISE.

"i would also hope that you, being a wise adult, not make the mistake of buying a ticket to the rose bowl should your team get selected."

I won't be buying a ticket to the Rose Bowl. Aside from the fact I can't afford the ticket or the trip, I don't think Ohio State is going to win the bowl game they do go to, and I personally don't think they'll go to the Rose Bowl anyway. I happen to think LSU should be ranked above OSU in the polls. (If money weren't an issue, I'd go support my team anyway, despite what I think might happen. BECAUSE THEY COULD PROVE ME WRONG.)

Why? Because I objectively watch each game as it happens each season and form my opinions from there. It's the fair thing to do.

That is all.

1Tomcat · 1 year ago

Hey Tom-keep it up
kinda like beating you head against a wall or something-their kinda brainwashed into believing some mythical shit about how the SEC is the best and they aint gonna see it any different until they all play weak OCC opponents beat each other up and hope other teams lose while running outdated offensive attacks and claiming that they have tough defenses
This is 2008

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

1Tomcat:

Yeah...BC is reminding me of Bluto in Animal House on this topic. Towards the end of the 24 second clip. "Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?! Hell nooo!!!"

Everybody else is sitting around and looking at each other saying, "Germans?" "Forget it, he's rolling."

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

Come to think of it, he kind of reminds me of Mr. Dorfman on this topic also.

"Mr. Dorfman. 0.2. Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son."

Just so everyone knows I'm not trying to be too tough on BC...I specifically said, "on this topic" in reference to the two vids for a reason. Smart people are capable of making dumb comments, too. Myself included.

I'm hoping BC will come to his senses soon.

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

"im just a fan that's looking for justice."

I missed that little gem. All the justice you need comes from the result of the games, BC.

Bevo_Boy · 1 year ago

I still think it's Bama fans making their argument for why they should still be in the MNC after they lose somewhere down the road. Also note, without drawing attention to it, he is slowly working his way toward discrediting Texas. He slid Texas down to 3 while experts agree that they should be 1, he mentions only florida and bama playing PSU in the MNC, but Texas is playing a tougher conference schedule than any SEC team is.

But, just to humor me, where is PSU's great weakness that SEC teams would exploit to destroy them? They had zero penalties against OSU, they play great defense, they have a solid offense with a perfectly capable backup qb if the starter goes down again (it was the backup who led PSU's td drive against OSU). Maybe it's because I'm terrible at finding Waldo, but where is this great flaw in PSU that keeps them from being worthy? Is it just because OSU lost 2 NC games in a row?

"BC" · 1 year ago

oh my god.
of course they have no weaknesses when they play big ten teams. neither did OSU the last 2 years.
the difference is team speed and team strength.
that's where the big ten is lacking.
and it shows up the most in the trenches.

The big ten has running backs, they have quarterbacks, they have secondaries, they have receivers. just like the SEC.
but nobody has linemen or linebackers like the SEC.
or coaching like the SEC.

Bevo_Boy · 1 year ago

So what you're saying now is that JoePa isn't as good as any coach in the SEC? Yeah, he and Bobby Bowden should be completely discredited because they didn't coach in the SEC. Try using that nobody has coaching like the SEC comment some more, I'm sure everyone will agree because if you coach in the SEC you are a great coach automatically, and if you don't, you must suck.

And nobody has linemen or linebackers like the SEC? Why don't you say that to James Laurinitis, Brian Orakpo, Ray Maualuga (I have no clue on that last name, he was the guy who wore the pink panties to practice for USC). Considering Texas even has a QUARTERBACK that can bench press 300 pounds, i think that there are definitely teams that can hold their own against the SEC in the trenches, so I see no validity in the last 3 lines of your post.

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

Bevo_Boy:

I think you'd have better luck convincing a Utah fan they have no chance of making it to the NC Game this year. Or maybe a "troofer" that 9/11 wasn't an inside job (and that's as far as I'm going with that topic--just a comparison).

Bleed Crimson is a kool-aid drinker. He has zero critical thinking skills. See my conversation with him above.

Bevo_Boy · 1 year ago

Thanks Tom, I guess you're right. I'll just give up. I would ask a question about that 9/11 thing, but you said you didn't want to go there, and it's probably best if this website doesn't talk about government conspiracies, I don't think that mixes well with college football.

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

"I don't think that mixes well with college football."

Exactly. Especially when they're conspiracies cooked up by kooky "troofers". :-)

Shoot me an email if you want. You can find it on my blog by clicking on my ID here.

1Tomcat · 1 year ago

Ok State is alot better team than Florida and would whup them head to head no doubt, They will probably beat OU and TTech-who knows alot of CFB to be played, this is sounding a bit ridiculas. Really tough teams nobody really knows anything until they play each other.
I really hate to say this BC but look at the signature wins for Bama Clem, Ole Miss and KY
Check out this weird victory chain that shows that one of the worst teams in the ACC ends with the best in your opinion SEC
Duke> Vandy> Ole Miss> Fla
here is a funny one
OK State > Colo> WV >AU

"BC" · 1 year ago

oh my god.
youre sooo wrong...
haha. okst is "alot better team than florida."
i won't argue with you.

but i think we can both agree that we wanna see big xii and sec in the NC game right?
end this season the right way.

TampaGator · 1 year ago

TC:

"...Ok State is alot better team than Florida and would whup them head to head no doubt..."

Let me guess; OSU would "whup" Florida because they're so much faster than UF, right? That how it works?

Pardon me, but I'm afraid there'd a quite a bit of "doubt" over that assertion, and a fairly populated school of thought that would actually disagree altogether.

IMO, Texas is the only team in the Big XII that warrants that kind of confidence against Florida. The funny thing is, y'all eeked out your NC in '05 on the able legs of Vince Young (who brought the speed); yet you crow like the Big XII just won back to back NC's in blow-out fashion. In other words, you sound like the very SEC fans whom you chastise for their arrogance.

Big XII is getting a whole lotta' love this year--of THAT, there is little doubt. But let’s not get carried away and mistake that for actual dominance achieved on the field.


GO GATORS!!

1Tomcat · 1 year ago

TG Thats my opinion
Ok State would matchup well against any team in the country right now- anybody, that includes USC,Fla, OU, Bama, PSU, TTech
lets not get carried away B-12 south rules-thats a fact Jack

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

Okie State is DANGEROUS. I thought they'd push Texas and they did. I was again impressed with Texas after that game. I thought it was a potential letdown game. Not so.

TampaGator · 1 year ago

I won't argue with OkieSt "mathing up well" against anyone--that's a fair assertion, especially after hanging with Texas as well as they did...but I won't accept anyone "whupp'n" Florida--unless they earn it on the field.


GO GATORS!!

1Tomcat · 1 year ago

TG your 4th paragraph doesnt make any sense to me- sorry Bub but OK state, Texas Tech and OU would all give Fla a game.
OK state shuts down the run, has a great running attack, great QB and excellent receivers, a big trong surehanded TE and outstanding special teams, they can beat anybody- this includes the Gators,Dawgs,Tide,Trojans-anybody
What most people dont understand that the 05 team is anceint history- and football is a team sport- I dont care who your QB is,{Young/Tebow} he cant do anything without the entire team, running,blocking, tackling,catching etc etc.
Crow about the XII?? Do What ??
I cant help it if the XII has emerged as the greatest football conference- Im a Horns fan, much rather be playing in the SEC lot easier in my opinion, this year AU, Miss st, Tenn and Ark aint what they used to be
These kinda discussions are kinda silly because right now everything is wide open.
Reread your last sentence- thats what I'm talking about- You dont get it
Its earned on the feild by dominating opponents- aint no love- you gotta earn it week in and week out- kinda funny that all this SEC stuff resurfaces on a PSU thread
Hookem-Horns

TampaGator · 1 year ago

TC:

I replied to the "OSU would whup UF" part of your last post, so you come back with:

"...OK state, Texas Tech and OU would all give Fla a game..."

I ain't arguing that those teams wouldn't be game with UF; but if you think UF would get "whupped" by 4-5 teams in the Big XII, we've got issues....

As for the '05 reference--the point is that the BXII champ eeked out a win--didn't dominate--in contrast to SEC's wins in '06-07...yet you're puffn out your chest and crowing about the B12 South...similar to what you and so many other fans rip on SEC Fan for--hence the point wasn't to compare NC's; it's to illustrate the duplicity of rip'n on SEC Fan for doing something, then turning around and doing the same thing yourself.

Finally, ok, I re-read my last sentence, several times, in fact. Here's what you're apparently not getting: those generous poll rankings are "love." Since all this "love" is based on how B12 teams are faring against one another, we don't know yet how they'll fare in bowls--vs. non-B12 teams. That's when they can "earn it."


GO GATORS!!

1Tomcat · 1 year ago

TG
Read this throw out all polls
there aint-no love
Just look at the undefeated and one loss teams as a whole and the teams that they have beaten and their records
You keep wanting to bring up history lets not go there, but if you want- I'll remind you that last year
Texas, Texas Tech, OK State, Missu and KU all won their bowls what did Fla do?
I hope Fla gets its shot this year I really do
BTW look at the B-12's OCC then look at the SEC's OCC-whatever I dont pull for a conference I pull for a team- so really the SEC has done anything outside of the SEC- sounds fare to me
Hookem-Horns
because thats what we have to go by and nothing else

Tommy_Trojan · 1 year ago

TG:

"Big XII is getting a whole lotta' love this year--of THAT, there is little doubt. But let's not get carried away and mistake that for actual dominance achieved on the field". Do you see what you just wrote? Man, talk about double standards. Isn't that kinda what all the rest of us have been saying for many years? I think that it is...

TampaGator · 1 year ago

TT:

At the risk of repeating the same mistake we made last week in other thread, let me spell out for you what I infer from your comment (inference in [CAPS]'s):

"...Isn't that kinda what all the rest of us have been saying [ABOUT THE SEC] for many years?..."

Perhaps. For my part, I have never put much stake in the polls until mid/late Nov., and then, only because they will determine which bowl UF goes to. Until then, I'm preoccuppied with where we stand IN the SEC E, let alone the SEC as a whole.

As for SEC Fan buying into the love--what you're missing there, is the prelude. For years, the SEC felt like it was being overlooked and short changed in the polls; we weren't getting the love. After '06, when Michigan/UF were a toss-up for the NC game, and UF finally got the nod, then delivered the goods...it served as vindication.

In the wake of that and LSU last year, SEC Fan has been relishing recognition which it felt it already earned. In contrast, what we have going on with the B XII, is rejoicing in the love, BEFORE it's been validated.

It may very well be validated yet, but until that happens (i.e.--after the bowls), OU, Tex, Penn State, et. al., are '08's version of tOSU-Michigan in '06.

They're getting the love...but can they deliver the goods, when it counts?


GO GATORS!!

Tommy_Trojan · 1 year ago

TG:

Don't have too much gripe about your complaint. Only part you left out was "dominance on the field". Now if you can get behind this, all we've ever heard about was this, "dominance on the field". The problem is: none of us have ever seen it.

I've heard your complaint and I can accept it. Now, listen to mine, and try and get it. Two lousy wins over Ohio State isn't "dominance" any more than seven straight wins over Notre Dame is. I can talk - because we own Ohio State. Always have. Now, Florida was a great team in 06', of that there is no doubt. LSU was a great team in 07'. I think that Florida has a great chance in 08'. But, "dominate conference", is a load of crap. SEC fans like to ride the coattails of their fellow competitors. They really beleive this crap. TampaGator, I don't mean any disrespect, but Oregon would smoke most every team in the SEC. My point is: there are very many good teams in the good ol' US of A. Do you people understand, that anybody that's ranked in the TOP 40, is probably a pretty good team? We always have to hear how good South Carolina, Kentucky, Tennessee, ad naseum is. Well, all those teams are ranked somewhere between 30-40th somewhere. Other conferences have many good teams also. The SEC might be the best - but there is no "dominance".

Again, your point is well taken, and understood. My point is that fans of College Football, and not any one conference in particular, have a whole different outlook of where everything stands. I must admit, that I love to mix it up with the SEC fans, but that never means that I don't respect the conference. It usually means that I'm just tryin' to get a rise out of somebody and have some fun with them. Good luck this weekend. I do like the Gators - but I'm not wild about Urban Meyer. I just wish he'd lay off tryin' to score at every single chance. You guys don't need to. It's a very well respected program. I don't think that he understands that. Besides, you guys will always get your chance. You still got Georgia and maybe an SEC Championship game to win.

OU_Ron · 1 year ago

Bleed, all Alabama has to do is win out and then you can see Texas is and should be # 1.........

"BC" · 1 year ago

here's the problem.
i dont think that will happen.

i think Texas will have 1 loss, Penn State will be undefeated, and Alabama will have one loss.

Penn State would then be the only lock, when it should be the team left out.
that's my problem.

i mean c'mon OU Ron, don't you think your Sooners could beat PSU pretty handily?
i do.

OU_Ron · 1 year ago

Bleed, I think the Sooners would win but not handily, our defense sucks !!.......if our defense was good, we would still be # 1

TampaGator · 1 year ago

"...Alabama will have one loss..."

Agreed. To UF, in the SEC championship game....

...which would effectively eliminate Alabama from any further NC discussion, barring a string of miracles.

Penn State WILL win out; they will NOT be passed over by a 1 loss team, not even a 1 loss SEC team. To think otherwise, is simply ignorance; (you're confusing scenarios; recall UF leaped over a ONE-LOSS Michigan team--NOT an undefeated team).

That leaves Penn State v. Big XII champ, whomever it is. I hate to say it, b/c it makes me want to throw up, but OU will get nod over 1 loss SEC team; probably even USC.

Remember--we have to earn our keep in the SEC.


GO GATORS!!

OU_Ron · 1 year ago

You don't have to worry about up-chucking, OU will have have at least one more loss and probably play LSU in the Cotton Bowl......Texas will be in the NCG

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

"Remember--we have to earn our keep in the SEC."

Well said, and I'll add that this applies to everyone.

Lennie Collins · 1 year ago

WE?

1Tomcat · 1 year ago

They have to get by Ok St & Texas Tech first
B-12 south toughest division in CFB today right now
No offense Ron -but them Cowboys are for real and Texas Tech can beat anybody

OU_Ron · 1 year ago

I agree TC, on both counts

GA_Boy · 1 year ago

Who are you going to lose to? LSU? That is the only team left on your schedule with a pulse. You can't lose to Ark St or Miss St or AU or you will be considered a joke. If you win out and lose the SEC championship game, you are out. So what do you mean by Alabama will have 1 loss. The only way you get in the NC game is win out. You have a cake schedule left and you are just like every other team in the hunt, you MUST win out. You need to drop the one loss BAMA arguement.
Now the DAWGS or Gators on the other hand have the best 1 loss chance. The winner of this weekends game gets a BIG boost from the BCS. Win out and we are in if TX or PSU slips up. Quite frankly, I don't see either of those teams losing but you never know.

GO DAWGS!!

Tommy_Trojan · 1 year ago

Bleed,

I can't fathom you using my logic. Here you are, making the claim that you don't care if Penn State is unbeaten, because you know whoever they play will beat them. You are stating that both Alabama and Oklahoma would beat them.

You know what? I would not even disagree with your assessment. Problem is: you disagree with mine. I believe, that my team would beat every team in America, except for Florida. This is just something that I know. I think Florida is pretty good this year. I think they are right there with us.

But, again, the point is that you are using a double standard. It's okay for your team - but not okay for mine. And, if it's gonna be okay for our teams, then it has to be okay for everybody. Therefore, it seems to me, that using your own spoken logic - any one loss team could maybe be better than an unbeaten team. I WOULD CONCUR!

"BC" · 1 year ago

As an experiment, Im about to rank the top 10 BCS teams with a combination of talent, W/L record, and SOS. and yes, i do have a lot of free time. im stuck in a library waiting for class to start.

first i'll rank the current BCS top 10 in terms of talent:
1. USC
2. Florida
3. Alabama
4. Georgia
5. Oklahoma
6. Texas
7. Oklahoma State
8. Penn State
9. Texas Tech
10. Utah

now SOS:
1. Texas
2. Oklahoma State
3. Alabama
4. Georgia
5. Penn State
6. Oklahoma
7. Florida
8. USC
9. Texas Tech
10. Utah

now records:
1. Texas
1. Alabama
1. Penn State
1. Texas Tech
1. Utah
6. Oklahoma
6. USC
6. Florida
6. Georgia
6. Oklahoma State

i counted the talent category as double, because that's usually what decides big games.
here are my results (and i love them):
1. Alabama - 10
2. Texas - 14
3. USC - 16
4. Florida - 17
5. Georgia - 18
T6. Oklahoma - 22
T6. Oklahoma State
T6. Penn State
9. Texas Tech - 28
10. Utah - 31

and with 1 loss tommy, youve gotta love them as well.
oh and the SOS doesn't include future games.

Tommy_Trojan · 1 year ago

BC:

You've got the whole SOS schedule wrong. You're not using actual numbers - your using "what you think". You've got to use a combination of the Sagarin, Colley and Anderson/Hester ratings if you want to get close. Therefore, your whole rating system is flawed. Do they have math classes at Bama? How bout Logic classes? Half the teams that you got up high on your SOS - are some of the worst. Better luck next time.

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

"Do they have math classes at Bama? How bout Logic classes?"

I'm sure Bama does. But it's clear he hasn't taken any or is flunking/has flunked them all.

Tommy_Trojan · 1 year ago

Tom:

yeah, I can see that this "little experiment" of BC's, was really well conceived. As bad a shape as this country is in today, it is rather sobering to understand that, BC will be one of the future leaders of something that's gonna go wrong.

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

Sigh. Yeah. I hear you.

Wardboy3 · 1 year ago

You are still going to put Fla @ #1 even though they lost to MISS? You are a homer.

GeauxTigers0107 · 1 year ago

1Tomcat:
"and argueing about conference strength against an SEC fan, a Bama fan no less, reminds me of a country song-" pissing in the wind" by Jerry Jeff Walker."

Don't stereotype me....lol.


Geaux Tigers
Geaux SEC

Bama_DevilDog · 1 year ago

That was the best ballgame I can remember to date. Bama dominated the game, killed them for 3 straight quaters. And then we hurt Drew Henson heading into the forth quater. Bama was certain victory was coming. And then in comes some unknown qb that started marchin up and down the field. He was unstoppable. Michigan tied it up and the game went into overtime. Michigan scored and then Bama scored. But then Bama missed the f***** extra point! O, the misery! O by the way that Qb was none other than Tom Brady.

Im still sick over that game. It just highlighted Bama into prohbation. What a misery!

Clemson_Joe · 1 year ago

Come on, BC. Seriously? Find me a computer poll that doesn't take into account any human bias, that doesn't rank Penn State right at the top. Let me say this again because apparently you missed it:

Penn State blasted Oregon State a little less than 3 weeks before they beat USC.

Does this mean that Penn State is better than USC. Maybe, but it certainly does not definitively prove that. However, if you're saying that USC is not a joke, then it does definitively prove that Penn State is not. Your prowess in the realms of logic is exactly why you aren't one of those aforementioned "voters".

By the way, I would actually love to see Penn State play Alabama because I think they match up well against one another. Las Vegas would probably have that one at a 3 point line.

"BC" · 1 year ago

Sorry but the transitive property doesn't apply to college football.
on the same token you could say, USC beat the dogsh*t out of OSU, and Penn State struggled mightily against the only opponent they play all year.
PSU plays a joke of a schedule.
a lot of non-BCS schools have harder schedules than Penn State this year.
just ask Ben Prather.
i'm sorry, but i would HATE to see Penn State get blown out in the NC, and then everyone just wonder... maybe they shouldnt have gotten in.


BIG XII VS. SEC FOR NC!!!
thats what i wanna see. thats what america wants to see.
thats what any true college football fan wants to see this year.
who's better?

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

"Sorry but the transitive property doesn't apply to college football."

Yet you're willing to apply the transitive property when claiming the Big 10(11) sucks based on the results of 2 games and 1 team.

More goalpost maneuvering. SHOCKA!

Regan · 1 year ago

Penn State is 6-2 against the SEC since 1990. Their opponents were Tennessee (3-0), Auburn (1-1), Florida (0-1), Alabama (1-0), and Kentucky (1-0).

Penn State has won a BCS game, the 2006 Orange Bowl.

The Big Ten has won several BCS games, being 8-9 in BCS games overall.

Heads up in non-title BCS games, the Big Ten's record against the SEC is 1-1.

Penn State played eight games before Ohio State, and won them all by an average score of 45-12. This is what any championship team would have done against weaker competition.

Lastly, Penn State is not Ohio State, 2008 is not 2007, and in less than 3 months the debate will all be over anyway.

"BC" · 1 year ago

i dont think the debate will be over until we see Penn State lose to USC in the Rose Bowl.
What if 1-loss Texas blew out an undefeated Penn State and 1-loss Alabama/Florida was left out in the cold to put a beating on some BS team?
then what would happen?
i would be PISSED/LIVED/OUTSIDE OF MYSELF!!!
and so would the rest of the country.
and RECENT history shows that's what will happen.

Wardboy3 · 1 year ago

History changes all the time...before the BCS I remember a #2 FLA getting blown out by #1 NEB in 1996 and then a Peyton Manning lead TN team getting beat 42-17 by the same NEB team in 1997. But if based on your method of "RECENT" history, that shows what will happen, then your method would not have included TN, b/c the SEC had gotten blown out the last two years, in the NC game vs FLA St in 1999 huh?

Wardboy3 · 1 year ago

And don't even get me started on "RECENT" history with your Bama.
Your recent history shows BAMA losing last year to an awful Fla St team & losing to LA-Monore.

1Tomcat · 1 year ago

Look at Bama's opponents and the margin of victory-nuff said
Yall squeezed by a Tulane team that got whuped by Rice
A Rice Team that got whuped 52-10 by Texas
Bama liked to got beat by Ole Miss
Ole Miss barley got by Arkansas a team that Texas beat 52-10
Your Bama boys barley squeezed by KY in another close one
I hadnt seen yall really completely dominate anybody except- Tennessee a team that got creamed by UCLA
These are mighty SEC teams then Vandy loses to Duke
Ok State should be ranked as the highest one loss team they lost to an undefeated #1 team that has completely dominated their opponents
Look I was watching some of the Bama game last week and during the halftime the announcers were all talking about how if this team loses how it helps Bama bla bla bla-Thats messed up
A Championship team shouldnt have to hope for others to lose- you got to take care of business- week in and week out
You and I really agree on one thing that the current system favors teams from B-10/11 and Pac-10 giving the level of competetion and lack of a conference championship.
All this talk-is that- just talk
I think we will see alot more great games in the future and right now there are some really good teams going head to head every week
PSU is undefeated- they belong to a BCS conference
Texas Tech is undefeated- they belong to a BCS conference
Bama is undefeated they belong to a BCS conference
Texas is undefeated they belong to a BCS conference
There are alot of real good quality teams with 1 loss some with 2
we will all see how the season pans out come Bowl season
Enjoy
Adios Tomcat

Bama_Babe · 1 year ago

EVERYONE SEEMS TO FORGET that this Ole Miss team Alabama "liked to got beat by", beat FLORIDA - the team some people think is the best team in the SEC. So therefore, the team that beat them can't be THAT bad. So your argument there is not valid.

Because the Big XII doesn't play defense (take a look at the average scores of those games..and don't tell me it's because the offenses are just that amazing), Texas has blown out opponents. Sure, they have a great offense, but if the defenses were a little better, I'm sure Texas would have more close games like that 4 point victory over Ok St.

Point is - Alabama is undefeated. Make all the argument you want about how they haven't "dominated" any team...but they sure as hell have BEATEN every team they have played thus far. That's all that really matters at this point.

Who knows how the rest will turn out. But the argument you are making about the margin of victory is ridiculous.

OU_Ron · 1 year ago

Just win out, you'll get the chance to see how good Texas defense is........

Wardboy3 · 1 year ago

You are correct that BAMA is undefeated. But you have "ONE" homer on here who wants to discount everything everyone else has done. Give credit to BAMA for being undefeated...but you also have to give credit to TX, Penn St, TX Tech, Utah, Boise St, Ball St, Tulsa. If you try to discount one you leave it open to discount all.

Defense is open to interpation. Some say FLA has a great D (NCAA rank #14) but it is ranked lower than Boston College (#7) who nobody would say has a great D.

1Tomcat · 1 year ago

Hey Bama Babe I didn't forget anything=I like Ole Miss
They beat Arkansas- good- Texas destroyed Arkansas
They beat Florida and they lost to Vanderbilt
Reread your first paragraph- you just made my point
Now read the beginning of the next one- because its B/S
you live in the same blind world as ole BC its not your fault.
Texas held Rice to 10 points a team that hanged with Vanderbilt-SEC team that beat Ole Miss
Texas held Arkansas to 10 points
You said they dont play defense in the B-12
They held OK st twice on 4th down and got an INT
A team that was averaging bout 50 points a game to 24
No Defense Missu a top offensive team was held to 3 points in the first half- so watch some games
No defense in the B-12 OK state stopped Texas on 4th down got an INT and held one of the top offenses in the country to 28 points-thats defense
Im happy fpr yall and yall have a good team, but- reality check- football exist outside the SEC conference and you have just reconfirmed your misguided belief of SEC superiority-
Trying to compare similar opponents from different conferences is all we have to go by until bowl season- so yes margin of victory does mean something and they do play defense in the B-12, they also just happen to have 4 teams in the top ten, that average bout 50 points a game.
Look like a told Tom its like arguing with a brick wall or peeing in the wind
Right now there are alot of really good quality teams that do exist outside of the SEC, this includes PSU

Bama_Babe · 1 year ago

I never said Texas didn't have a defense. Will Muschamp is a crazy monster that knows his stuff. But seriously, look at the points per game in a Big XII matchup. Crazy numbers. Could this be because the offenses are so great they could ring up 50-60 points on any team in the country? No. I'm not saying the offenses in the Big XII are not great, because for the most part, they are. I was just stating that if the defenses were really good, they wouldn't allow 40-50-60 points every week. (And I'm talking B-12 schools in general, not Texas alone.)

Ok, now, look at ppg in an average SEC matchup. Yes, I know the SEC is not known for flashy offenses, and many are struggling this year. But I believe a large part goes to the opposing defenses. Yes, this is my opinion.

Naturally, I am going to be biased toward the SEC, which leads me to believe that defense is played better by the teams in this conference. That's what we are known for. The Big XII is known for offense.
I do watch games outside of the SEC. I can't count how many replays from B-12 games (and elsewhere) I have seen of WIDE OPEN receivers catching the ball and then sprinting to the endzone untouched. My reaction is always the same: "Where in the world is the defense?!" This might happen in the SEC every now and then on busted D plays, but it happens over and over in the B-12. (Credit to offenses has already been given)

I am not trying to take anything away from Texas. They are a great team, and I respect what they are doing.
I was just saying that it's not a fair argument to say Bama isn't dominating their opponents because they don't win by 20 points, so therefore they aren't as good as Texas or PSU. THAT is BS.

Tommy_Trojan · 1 year ago

Bama_Babe:

Your dead on. There is absolutely no pressure on the QB's in the Big 12 conference. They do not have defensive linemen. The do not have "cover guys". They do not play defense at all. Florida or Alabama would completely dismantle any of these teams. Colt McCoy is a good QB, but he simply cannot be going 26-28 before halftime, against any team that actually covers the receivers. These numbers are pathetic. The top rated defense in the Big 12 is Texas - at #43 in the country. Say what? I think a simple calculation of: how many points per game do the worst teams in a conference score? That would be the litmus test for how bad those defenses really are. If the top teams can't keep the worst teams from scoring - then they really aren't very good at all. I'll post those numbers soon. They will validate your argument - by a large margin.

Bevo_Boy · 1 year ago

How much of Colt McCoy have you watched? If you've seen much of him playing, you wouldn't be that surprised, because he is a great quarterback who makes very smart decisions. He starts out completing short passes to his receivers, and from there, the defense has three options, all of which he'll tear apart:
1. Keep doing the same thing. (It hasn't worked yet, so let's try it again)
2. Bring the safeties up to help cover those routes. Colt throws it deep and the corner can't handle one on one with Quan Cosby or Jordan Shipley, another easy TD.
3. Bring pressure. This is the defense's best shot, but they either have to get to Colt in about 2 seconds or have the middle of the field covered because Colt always hits the hot route on the blitz, another easy gain.

Is there some magical way to stop Colt McCoy that nobody in the Big XII is smart enough to figure out?

Lennie Collins · 1 year ago

Texas Tech will do it it!

Tommy_Trojan · 1 year ago

Bevo Boy:

Colt McCoy is a great QB. He's not Joe Montana or Dan Marino or Joe Namath or when do you need me to stop? He's not an 85% completion passer. He won't be the 1st pick in the NFL draft. He will play in the NFL. He will be a good QB. But, when you see that every receiver is open by ten yards - you know that something is wrong. Are you now gonna claim that Texas has the greatest receivers in the history of the game? Although they are very good - please don't make me spit up my coffee.

In 2005', USC had a tremendous offense, and our worst defense in many years. It cost us the game against Texas - as your well aware of. When we normally give up about 14.0 per game, and then all of a sudden we're giving up more than 20.0, then I'm not gonna tell you how good our defense is. USC gives up around 8.0 right now. Do you really think that you would score forty on this defense? If you do - then you have not watched USC play. Maybe you ought to. You would see that the top ranked defense does not allow for receivers to ever be open. You would notice that there is always pressure on the QB. These things are not happening in Big 12 games. You have ten seconds to get rid of the ball. That is not gonna happen if you have to play against a good defense. I hope that Colt McCoy can adjust to that when it happens. If you think that anybody in the Big 12 plays defense - your outta your mind. You can just stick to the argument that "we'll just outscore you" - and that will be fine. But, don't try to claim that there is a defense in the Big 12 - because there isn't one.

Bevo_Boy · 1 year ago

I'm not saying it's great defense, but it's better than most fans think. The offenses are good enough that they'll eventually wear down any defense.

Tommy_Trojan · 1 year ago

Bevo_Boy:

Your not gonna be wearin' down any defense while your QB is running for his life. Don't drink all of the kool-aide, dude. Texas has a great offense and no defense. There was a hint of some against OKState - but you still gave up 24 in one of your best efforts. That's an OK game. But, if some team ever holds you to 17 - then you better be able to give up less than that.

Bama_Babe · 1 year ago

Well-stated.

1Tomcat · 1 year ago

Purty funny post TT
The score determines the winner in CFB- football is a TEAM sport
Right now- I dont see any superstars on UT's team like in years past-lost the RB and TE to that other league.
Right now these boys are playing as a team- thats it
They are not the best ever IMHO, but they have passion and desire and are clicking on all cylinders.
so will just outscore you- yes because the one with the biggest score wins the game
nuff said- Hookem-Horns
BTW yalls D couldnt stop Oreg St's running attack or yall woulda won the game

Lennie Collins · 1 year ago

Pressure? Was that a hit for William Joel aka Billy Joel in the 80's?

Tommy_Trojan · 1 year ago

Lennie:

That was from your butt-buddie, David Bowie! That was probably the "pressure" that you remember.

Lennie Collins · 1 year ago

David Bowie sung Under Pressure with Queen! Butt Buddy? I ain't gone comment on that. By the way I heard you are going to be George Michael's body double in his up and coming movie when it calls for the love scenes!

Tommy_Trojan · 1 year ago

Lennie:

Is GM doin' the pitchin' or the catchin' in that thar love scene? I haven't had much time to catch up on the "Hollywood Butt Pirates" thing. Keep me informed - will you?

Lennie Collins · 1 year ago

I don't know. I ain't gone view it!

1Tomcat · 1 year ago

Tommie T once again you amaze me
Alabama has an outstanding defense, probably one of the best in the nation.
They might be able to slowem down a little-but dismantle-I dont think so.
Can they outscore UT- na aint happening
The score determines the winner Tommie

Lennie Collins · 1 year ago

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH...I have had it with these SEC fans highjacking threads!

"BC" · 1 year ago

dude this thread is ALLL about the NC. and about how Penn State shouldnt play for it.

and all us SEC fans are trying to say is simple:
SEC champ vs. Big XII champ for the NC regardless of records.

Lennie Collins · 1 year ago

If Pennsylvania State goes undefeated and the SEC & Big 12 teams have 1 loss...let Papa Joseph play so his behind can gone retire...shoot!

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

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1Tomcat · 1 year ago

BC- sounds more liuke you might favor a plus one format or something.
You could very well end up with PSU against a 1-loss team for MNC, but which one?
This weeks Texas vs Texas Tech game is a championship game, seems like we have one every week.
two top ten undefeated teams
Winning the B-12 south is like a playoff because there are some really good teams. I like your idea of XII vs SEC- but we could very well have something else.
Right now I honestly beleive that Texas could beat Bama or PSU, but can they beat Texas Tech?
Hookem-Horns

"BC" · 1 year ago

RACK 'EM
nice post.

i agree 100% and you basically just took all of my thoughts on the whole big xii/sec debate.
ive just been raging the war against penn state. and about how i dont want to see them play for the NC.

1Tomcat · 1 year ago

Thanks Bama Babe
I would love to see a Bama vs Texas game
You and I really have no arguement and I enjoyed reading you post- which is not as crazy as BC or TG's post or Tommie T's for that matter.
The way it looks right now they may not be any undefeated teams at the end of the season.
Right now it looks like PSU has a better shot than anybody else given their schedule.
Muschamp is a great leader and motivator and a large reason for Texas success this season, because these boys are playing with fire & passion and working well as a team with motivation and determination. The coaching staff has done an outstanding job building a unit that works together as a team.
In The current system that exist today we could very well have a MNC game with some really good teams on the outside looking in, and right now PSU has the best shot at appearing in the MNC game. I really try not to get involved in conference strength arguments or SOS arguments, but this is what this PSU thread turned into.
Given the competition and schedule that Texas faces their chances of being in the MNC game are real slim. They would have to go 13-0, that would mean defeat 4 top ten teams in a row,3 of those undefeated then beat two old rivals and then play against two more top 25 teams, then if they some how survive that, then their chances are greatly improved. Theres still alot more games to be played.
I never intended to discredit any teams success, they have earned it.
Hookem-Horns

"BC" · 1 year ago

look tomcat.
there's a reason your team is #1.
it's because your defense is the best in the Big XII.
but your defense isn't as good as Alabama's, Ole Miss', Tennessee's, Florida's, or Georgia's.
that comes from watching all of these teams play.
margin of victory means nothing.
the transitive property means nothing.
im sure by some type of property, that USC is the worst team in the country after losing to oregon state.

the big XII has the best QBs. no doubt. but it's easy to rack up yards against weak pass rushes and terrible secondaries that the Big XII is laden with.
Texas Tech is a pretender. i saw the Nebraska game.

and margin of victory???
you really think that matters??
what does that depend on?
is the coaching throwing TD passes when he's up by 40? (Texas Tech, Missouri, etc)
do you have a big-play offense opposed to a possession offense? (spread)
are you facing a Big XII or Big East defense? (terrible)

those are the things that determine margin of victory.
and you think Ok State has a great defense?
try a nick saban defense with a 400lb nose tackle and 4 all-americans.

Lennie Collins · 1 year ago

This was a thread about Pennsylvania State...how the it turned into a Big 12(TEXAS) thread?

Joe pro · 1 year ago

If we are looking at history, here is a 3 year history lesson for the players on this team.

Penn State Beat Florida State (ACC) in the 2005 BCS Fed Ex Orange Bowl, they beat Tennessee (SEC) in the 2006 Outback Bowl and they beat Texas A&M (Big 12)in the 2007 Alamo Bowl.

I guess we can let them play !

Crimson tides last BCS Game? 2000 against Michigan, you lost 34 to 35

Kevin @ Fanblogs · 1 year ago

So... the Outback and Alamo are BCS bowls now? INTERESTING. I'm not even a mild Tide supporter, but I can tell you that they've got a roughly 60% winning percentage against the Big Ten (and slightly better than that against PSU). Support your school, but... please make sense!

Let's Go PSU · 1 year ago

Kev, you make no sense either, can't you read, Joe clearly wrote 2005 BCS Fed Ex Orange Bowl, I don't think that he claimed the Outback/Alamo bowls were BCS...for god sakes, READ, it is fundamental, and you know what else....WE ARE...PENN STATE!!!

Kevin @ Fanblogs · 1 year ago

The entire thread is about the BCS, champ. Keep up.

Wardboy3 · 1 year ago

Is this the same mighty SEC you are referring to that is a combined 5-6 so far this year in OCC games vs other BCS schools?

You say PSU schedule is a joke but what is the BIG difference between PSU playing OCC vs Coastal Carolina, Ore St, & Temple and Bama playing Clem, Tulane, Western KY, and Ark St?

"BC" · 1 year ago

It's the same mighty SEC that has won the last 2 NCs in convincing fashion with 2 different teams, and the same SEC that has more players in the NFL than any other conference. and yes, the same SEC that has never lost when given a chance to play in the NC game.
that's the SEC im referring to.
which conference do you fancy?

Wardboy3 · 1 year ago

The SEC does not have more players in the NFL. Check the opening day 53 man rosters. That is an assumption by you. And also you would have to figure that the SEC, like the ACC & the BIG 12 have more teams in thier conferences to supply to than a PAC-10.

I do NOT 'fancy' a conference. I cheer for a team...not a conference. If you walked outside your little area you might open your eyes some.

The_Observer · 1 year ago

False

Wardboy3 · 1 year ago

But you still did not answer the question about the schedules.

Bevo_Boy · 1 year ago

So what you're saying is, what players did in the past couple years, many of which are now gone, is more important than what the players who are there now are doing. I guess that means that since Texas is 7-0-1 against Bama all-time, if they meet in the NC game, Texas automatically wins, right?

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

That same Oregon State team then lost to Utah.

USC is now established as a joke, so the Oregon State win means nothing.

Tommy_Trojan · 1 year ago

BC:

Let me tell you what a joke really is:

Alabama 20 Tulane 6
Army 44 Tulane 13
Rice 42 Tulane 17

Georgia 27 Arizona State 10
California 24 Arizona State 14
USC 28 Arizona State 0
Oregon 54 Arizona State 20

Now, Bleed, that is a joke! The most overrated team in America, at this moment, is Alabama. You will find that out if you have to play Florida. If not, you'll probably get to sneek in the back door, and play Penn State - in what will surely be the biggest case of mistaken identity in the history of college football.

"BC" · 1 year ago

now tommy.
you of all people know that means nothing.
do you really want me to go look up the teams that BEAT oregon state??
alabama has a possession offense. they're not gonna score 100 points a game. they take time off the clock, they pin the other offense deep if they dont score, and they manage the game.
different styles of offenses and coaching put up different ammounts of points.

Alabama's overrated?
list me all of the teams that would be undefeated right now after playing Alabama's schedule. please. i need a good joke.

Tommy_Trojan · 1 year ago

BC:

Well, two or Oregon State's losses were to Utah and Penn State. I'd rather you showed me who has beaten Army and Rice. I think that I just showed you that three Pac 10 teams have handled Ariziona State pretty easily. So, I really don't know what makes Georgia so highly regarded - at this moment. Are you really still holdin' on to that big Clemson win?

By combining the Sagarin, Colley and Anderson/Hester SOS's (those three give a placement value) - we can derive an average SOS from these three sources. They are:

1. Ohio State 13.30
1. Texas 13.30
3. U.S.C. 19.30
4. Missouri 20.30
5. Florida 23.60
6. Oklahoma 24.00
7. Georgia 26.30
8. Oklahoma State 43.60
9. Alabama 50.60
10. Penn State 63.60
11. Texas Tech 104.60

These are not the top eleven teams overall in SOS by any means. Teams like Oregon State are higher than many of these teams. This list shows you an "average SOS" for only some of the top teams. Do you notice anything pecular about the rankings of Alabama, Penn State and Texas Tech? You yourself, love to point out how overrated that Penn State and Texas Tech might be. You say that they haven't played anybody. Again, it does look like Alabama hasn't played anybody - while everybody else has. Maybe that's why some of the other teams have lost a game or two. Don't worry. Your gonna have to play somebody eventually.

"BC" · 1 year ago

okay tommy.
im not a big fan of the SOS stats. because a computer cant do a good job with that.

here's how i determine SOS:
look at a teams schedule, then ask, "how many teams would be undefeated given that schedule?"

but really, Between the hedges + night game + gameday + blackout = a loss for most teams. alabama went in there and took the air out with a 31-0 first half.
Alabama didn't really try in the second half until Georgia actually got some life, then they drove down, scored a TD, and put the game on ice.
they DOMINATED georgia.

and alabama's overrated....gimme a break.

Tommy_Trojan · 1 year ago

BC:

What makes you think that USC tried at all against Arizona State? I was at the game. They put Sanchez out there with one leg. Do you really think that Alabama is the only team "that doesn't try" half the time? Many teams don't try for half a game. That's a real lame statement. Fact is: you gave up 31 in the 2nd half to the only guy you've played who can heave the rock.

These are Sagarin's ratings for "the Predictor" - just in case your curious:

1). USC
13). Arizona
16). Oregon State
19). California
21). Oregon

2). Florida
7). Alabama
12). Georgia
25). LSU
40). Mississippi
41). South Carolina

Does it really look like the Top Half of your conference is as tough as our Top Half? Didn't think so. You've beaten a 12th ranked Georgia team, while we've beaten Ohio State, Oregon and Arizona. SOS matters Bleed. And, the computers can figure it all out just find. It's not voodoo.

Lea · 1 year ago

Wait just a minute! Don't count Bama out so fast. That team fears no one.

U.of S.C.1978 · 1 year ago

hehehe, the man said," But this team - and this conference - doesn't deserve another chance at college football's biggest prize." I could not agree more!

U.of S.C.1978 · 1 year ago

Cjoe, as one of your legion of in-state rivals, I feel your pain. But your pain sort of tickles, and makes me happy. Sorry Bro, but that is life. You are jealous of the power and majesty of the SEC. One more quote, "Give us life, give us liberty, give us hope for a good game. That means give us Texas, Florida, Alabama, Georgia or USC. Heck, we'll even take Texas Tech." The man nailed it. Of course you consider him wrong. Any of those teams, against the ACC champ, is an automatic beatdown.

Clemson_Joe · 1 year ago

You know, as many times as I reread what I wrote, I did not once see myself mention the ACC. Maybe you could help me out and find where I mentioned the ACC.

Logic is my strong suit. Logic is what allows me to clean up every weekend when I bet. Even on games that I would never put money on, such as those in the Pick'em, I do well. Currently only one person has done better than me. My point is that I'm very capable of stepping back from conference bias, personal bias, or any other kind and picking who would actually win the game. Penn State may not be better than 4 other teams in the country, but saying that they are a joke is asinine. If you would like to back up that statement with any legitimate logic, then I will gladly take you to task, but I don't believe you'll be able to produce any.

Regan · 1 year ago

UofSC1978 did I read this correctly? The "power and majesty of the SEC"?

I mean, yeah - the SEC is the toughest conference right now, but "power and majesty"? Wow.

I'd word it a bit less dramatically if I were you; at least until the SEC can improve on it's 3-3 record against the ACC this year....

1Tomcat · 1 year ago

Im of the opinion that Oklahoma State could beat any of the above mentioned teams
They have no weakness real strong defense, excellent QB, two real strong running backs and great receivers and a big tight end with excellent hands- not to mention excellent special teams they are one of the best teams in the nation and will probably beat Oklahoma and/or Texas Tech. The Cowboys fought hard in a tough game that coulda went either way They aint no Mississipi or Kentucky. These guys are for real

PittsburghTiger · 1 year ago

there is way too much ball to be played still for this to get so out of hand.....

Regan · 1 year ago

Yeah, I'm trying to stay rational with numbers, but it's not working....

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

I have made the switch to irrational numbers along time ago.

I hate fractions!

Clemson_Joe · 1 year ago

Nice one.

Clemson_Joe · 1 year ago

You can't rationalize with the irrational. Throw logic at them and they counter with biased drivel that you'd expect to hear at 2:00 AM at a local-to-the-school SEC dive bar.

ECK · 1 year ago

What a waste of my time reading this nonsense. I hope Penn State takes it all.

Dan · 1 year ago

@ PittsburghTiger, you're right. JoPa and Bear's tenures overlapped from 1966-1982. Joe was 0-4 against Bear. My mistake.

I don't know about the '69 Cotton Bowl, but I do know that Penn State is 3-2 against Texas all-time, including wins in the '72 Cotton Bowl and, most recently, the '97 Fiesta Bowl.

Of course, none of this matters. The point is that if Penn State wins out, they will deserve a shot at the title as much as anyone else.

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

Has anyone else noticed the LACK of Penn State fans showing up on here?

Usually when a historically strong team turns things around a huge following starts to build on here, like Alabama is getting now. I can only imagine what it would be like if Notre Dame turned things around.

But where are teh Penn State fans? I count only one.

Welcome lbu828694!

Kevin @ Fanblogs · 1 year ago

The PSU fans are pretty loyal to two or three message boards. They visit, but they comment back over at their place.

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

Thats fine, but I wish they would say hello here, especially when they are looking to return to old form.

Until about 5 years ago I used to pull for Penn State, then I put them on the wait until they actually perform list. They are now off that list. I think I will replace them with Fresno State.

PittsburghTiger · 1 year ago

We are lucky that they are not here because they are some of the most arrogant and inflexible fans in America

Paul S · 1 year ago

Well here is a PSU fan. You wanted us and here I am. JoPA is 22-10 in bowl games. That means PSU wins their bowl games. I would put PSU up against any team in the nation. Oh and everyone says how bad the Big 10 is and no one says just how bad the PAC-10 is. USC basically has a cake walk every year. The PAC-10 could not even match up against the Big East. I would love to see any SEC or Big 12 team try to play in the Big 10 year in and year out. Hello the Big 10 is more defensive minded. These fancy big 12 offenses would not put up the numbers in the big 10. I actually think the voters have it right. If Texas and Bama run the table then they do deserve #1 and #2. But lets check the most recent polls:

ESPNU Allstate Standings (Fan poll)
1. Texas Tech 8-0
2. Penn State 9-0
3. Florida 6-1
4. USC 6-1
5. Georgia 7-1
6. Alabama 8-0
7. Boise State 7-0
8. TCU 8-1
9. Utah 8-0
10. Minnesota 7-1
11. Tulsa 8-0
12. Ball State 8-0
13. Brigham Young 7-1
14. Oklahoma 7-1
15. Texas 8-0
16. Maryland 6-2
17. Oklahoma State 7-1
18. Kansas 5-3
19. Missouri 6-2
20. Ohio State 7-2
21. Florida State 6-1
22. LSU 5-2
23. Michigan State 7-2
24. Oregon 6-2
25. South Florida 6-2

This is straight off of ESPN rankings. I do not agree with a lot of these, but look at where PSU is. Penn State has the biggest following in the nation. PSU fans would dominate the crowd at the NC game.

The_Observer · 1 year ago

Please don't ever reference that poll again.

Porcine · 1 year ago

Agreed.

Tommy_Trojan · 1 year ago

Paul S:

What does "S" stand for? Must be lame - right? The Pac 10 since 1998, the inception of the BCS system, holds a 30-23 record against the Big 10 in all games played. I don't think that the Big 10 is fit to play in the Big East. And, between 1966-1997, the Pac 10 had a record of (143-108-4) against the Big 10. Some of you clowns need to learn your football.

"BC" · 1 year ago

hahaha.
don't ever post here again.

Tom Agnolucci · 1 year ago

Can someone tell me what Oklahoma did in it's last two bowl games? Might serve to edify the idiot that wrote this article.

WestCoaster · 1 year ago

Penn State and the Big 10 are worthy of nothing and the mighty South will rise again....

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

This from a westcoaster...

The_Observer · 1 year ago

That's why it's dripping with sarcasm.

WestCoaster · 1 year ago

Thank you for noticing.

“Nothing is more discouraging than unappreciated sarcasm.”

WestCoaster · 1 year ago

Thank you.

1BAMA · 1 year ago

Please believe me if we can't get in the NC game most Alabama fans would choose Texas. I truely hope you get your wish, BUT BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR ,YOU JUST MAY GET IT!!! I would love to see us play against that paper defense! I would really worry about that powerful Texas running game led by, wait, I believe the quaterback ? I wonder if you are aware that Texas was offered first ,the home and home contract that Penn State took. Coach Royal wouldn't have any part of it. Joe Paterno probably wishes he had passed on it ! As far as the championship game you are refering to, if you ever get the chance to meet Tommy Nobis the greatest linebacker ever to wear the Longhorn uniform ask him if Namath was across the goalline when he made the tackle that saved the game for Texas. He always smiles and never ansewers. I was watching that game ,was you? I'll freely admit Texas has had uncanny success against Alabama ,but I wouldn't push my luck with Bama or any of the other top SEC teams! HERE'S TO SEEING YOU IN JANURARY! ROLL TIDE

Bevo_Boy · 1 year ago

I have a lot of questions for you:

1.Paper defense? We play against teams that play offense, how about you? None of those teams score near what they average when they play Texas.
2. Who cares if the qb is the leading rusher? Texas has at least 4 running backs that can come into the game and be effective, so if they were to each play a quarter, why is it so ridiculous to think that a qb, who is very mobile, can run for more yards in 60 minutes than those guys can in 15?
3. How far back do you have to go to try to discredit Texas, if you're going back to win Daryl Royal was coaching?
4. That championship game, why wasn't Namath playing? I wasn't alive yet so I don't know the answer, but I'd assume that the Texas D probably knocked him out of the game earlier?

1BAMA · 1 year ago

Namath was playing and scored the disputed TD. I do not want to discredit
Texas football or Coach Royal since they are both among the best coaches and
programs in the country, I actually like and respect Texas football! But I have
watched a lot of college football over the years and I really believe that
Texas and for that matter several Big Twelve schools have championship
offenses none have a championship defense. I guess I'm from the old school that
believes defense wins championships! I've just seen it too many times over the
years! When you quoted the all-time record you were correct, but the two teams
haven't met since the Cotton Bowl in the early 80's. That is why I went back
in history on you. I was telling a Texas fan the other day at the barber shop
that Bama had never beaten Texas. He was commenting on how good he thought
Bama was and I told him I wished Texas and Alabama would play for the
championship. I respect Texas but I sure as heck don't fear them. Maybe we'll both
get our wish this year !!!!!!!! ROLL TIDE
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Bevo_Boy · 1 year ago

I only quoted the all-time record to try to make a point with Bleed Crimson, since he was saying that Penn St. should not be allowed in the MNC because of OSU's performance in the last two MNC's. I think it might've worked because he didn't respond.

NMLSooner · 1 year ago

After reading most (some are longer than my attention span) of these posts, the only thought that comes to my mind again and again is, W E N E E D A P L A Y O F F ! ! !

Lennie Collins · 1 year ago

Did you say playoffs? I know you didn't say playoffs! Playoffs? Playoffs! You just need to be happy you can watch most of the games! Playoffs? Playoffs!

Paul S · 1 year ago

Well then lets check all the other polls. Lets see I count two PAC-10 teams in the top 25 and then I count four Big 10 teams in there. If the PAC 10 is so great where are all the teams in the top 25. No where. PAC 10 is a joke. Plus you should remember PSU did not join the Big 10 until early 1990(s). Come talk to me when any coach from the PAC 10 gets even close to 300 wins, yet alone almost 400. Plus can you tell me what team is the winningest ever??? I will help you a little bit. They are a Big 10 team.

Rubin for Heisman · 1 year ago

It's funny how Bama fans are looking to ride the strength of schedule argument to a national championship birth. You beat a 3-4 Clemson team and nearly blew a 30 point lead when UGA finally woke up. Sneaking by Ole Miss and UK? Don't pull the SEC is the best conference in the land card here either, they may be stronger at the top but throw one of those two teams a middle of the pack Big Ten team and let's look at the results. There's no doubt if you beat LSU on the road and handle FL then you deserve to be in the NCG, but there's no merit to being ranked above Penn State at this point in the season.

It's not even worth addressing USC's gripe at missing out on a national championship again this year. Wins are one thing, but with the amount of NFL talent that rolls through there, you should be petitioning to join the AFC West, not settling for a Pac 10 championship year after year. Yes you whooped a team (at home, new starting qb, no heisman rb) that Penn State snuck by but if we are going down that road, we have to mention the team that upped Oregon State by 4 touches a few days before you dropped one to them.

Tommy_Trojan · 1 year ago

Rubin:

There is no way that anybody could make a claim for USC over Penn State. We have two common opponents - and Penn State did blast Oregon State. So, you'll never hear me stake that claim. I would make claims that we would probably beat Penn State. But, should Penn State win out and finish #1 or #2, then I could not claim that USC should be entitled over Penn State. There is a "body of evidence" there.

Lennie Collins · 1 year ago

There are sack snatcher and there are sack kickers! He did a double play! Kick Alabama and Southern California fans below da' belt!

Lennie Collins · 1 year ago

This is some of the dumbest (I ain't gone say it!) I've heard. Don't vote a team in the National Title Game because of what another team from the same conference did the previous year. This (Again, I ain't gone say it!) need to be writing jokes for comedians instead of sports articles!

Bevo_Boy · 1 year ago

Well put. I like it.

Lions89 · 1 year ago

Hey Bleed. HOW CAN YOU MAKE THESE SPECIOUS CLAIMS? Are you partially or fully insane? That makes NO sense. Last year? Two years ago? Do you realize that College Football starts fresh every season? No, you are right, we should have a 4 year rolling average of wins in a season for the likely years that people start on a team in college. That way, we can keep this really exciting! Moron! All of you people who are PSU-haters, get over it.

HARTZ89 · 1 year ago

why is it that we "can't contend with the SEC" when we clearly made Alabama our bitch just a few short years ago?

JudyZD · 1 year ago

Didn't USC lose to Oregon State while Penn State crushed Oregon State ?!?!
And Florida...they lost to some unknown, unranked SEC team. Plus the SEC is WAY overrated...where is Auburn? Not to mention Vandy lost to Duke?

Go back and check your facts Dienhart, you're clearly a Penn State hater. But your bias aside and give credit where credit is due.

U.of S.C.1978 · 1 year ago

Welcome to all of you new posters. I'm sure that I speak for all of the regular posters here, when I say, we hope you stick around. If your team beats mine, I'll take my lumps. If my team beats your's, I''ll likely dis you, your relatives, all of your alums, your childhood friends, your co-workers, but mostly, your sorry ass school and team, lol.

VABeach31 · 1 year ago

ok...so my friends working in Iraq we love to debate all the college football stuff year in and year out. We used to sit in bunkers during mortar attacks in Northern Iraq but never had the tv out of our line of sight when CFB games were on. Without all the controversy things would have been a bit boring... Anyways, here is my last response to a buddy in Baghdad that plays the whole strength of schedule card as a Florida fan. I graduated from PSU and support my team . Someone said what happened last year doesn't matter and they are right. Talk history all you want but what matters is now. What gets me in this whole BCS rankings debate (one letter too many - should be called BS rankings) is that preseason polls are included in the final talley at the end of the season. So when a team 'flops' from top 10 or so everyone is suprised and cries of overrated are heard. But when a team comes from either unranked status or in the 20-somethings people start saying things like the strength of schedule and so on....so again, here is my response to my buddy the gator fan...

"Sam, you live in a fantasy world… You can’t say PSU doesn’t deserve to play for the championship based on their strength of schedule or lack thereof. Can I, by proxy, say that since PSU beat Oregon State and Oregon State beat USC that PSU would beat USC? No, that would be circular reasoning. And let’s look at Florida’s one loss this year; a loss to that college football powerhouse known by the name of Mississippi. Now here is a team that definitely shows how strong they are in beating Florida. Looking at the schedule, by proxy would you say that since Mississippi beat Florida and that Mississippi lost to the following teams: Wake Forest, Vanderbilt, South Carolina, and Alabama; could you also state that, by proxy, those four team would beat Florida? No… Tell me then that you can honestly sit there and be able to repudiate PENN STATE as ‘not worthy’ of a trip to Miami in the BCS title game even if they win out. So looking at Vanderbilt, they lost to Duke which must have put in the basketball team to play because there is no way that they could beat Florida right? They don’t even belong on the same field as most FBS major schools. But wait, they beat Vandy and Vandy beat Mississippi and Florida lost to Mississippi then MIGHTY DUKE would beat Florida; so for sure, Florida deserves to play for the national title!!!! NOT…"

Next topic: Would Mike Tyson, in his good days beat Ali? Or would Michael Jordan's Bulls beat one of the great Laker or Celtic teams of year's past? None of us obviously can know for certain but it is fun to speculate, argue, disagree, etc.

Makes for great debating just like CFB. Without sport, where would we be and what would we all be doing instead?

Last though...this Dienhart (Dickhart) guy, yeah if he gets paid for this Pulitzer Prize worthy contribution to modern society (snickering heard from all around)...then I think his company should reconsider his employment and ask for a refund. I've heard better arguements from 5th graders.

VABeach31 · 1 year ago

Yeah, not sure what all those effen ef'd up characters are in the middle of my posting. This laptop came from Dubai and the keyboard has arabic and english keys. So before anyone starts slamming me for ef'd up writing or spelling, you know why before your fingers reach the keyboard.

Bevo_Boy · 1 year ago

Did you type that in word before you posted it? That messes up some of the symbols, like apostrophes or quotation marks, sometimes.

VABeach31 · 1 year ago

I didn't use word but took it right from my Outlook email to my gator fan buddy. I'm hoping for a UT vs. PSU title game. I've got quite a few friends in Iraq that went to UT. We'll meet up in Miami if all goes our way...

loutx · 1 year ago

Penn State should be ranked below Texas Tech. Not above it. Texas Tech is undefeated and played in a much harder conference.

Your national title game will be this weekend between Texas and Texas Tech. Not 2 months from now.