DISQUS

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 11 months ago

Hey, who was the wise guy that voted Utah #1 in the coach's poll? Pete Carroll, or was it Wittingham?

Ben Prather · 11 months ago

I believe Pete Carroll does not have a vote.

CaneResurrection · 11 months ago

Probably Mack Brown. You know he get's all pissy about anyone besides his Longhorns being #1.

OU_Fan · 10 months ago

You better watch it. An airplane with a banner attached may be spotted flying over your teams stadium if Texas fans/alumni find out you said this.

Glass_Joe · 10 months ago

I thought Mack was going to vote the Longhorns #1. I guess he lost the nerve. Good to see Wittingham followed through.

Ben Prather · 10 months ago

Even when he said it, It was fairly clear that was contingent on Oklahoma winning the title game.

Glass_Joe · 10 months ago

Yeah, you're probably right. He was at least consistent, having voted Florida #1 before the BCSCG.

Zac · 10 months ago

I have to agree with you, WarEagle; I too see voting Utah #1 as being wise. I'm just sorry to see them getting only 1 1st place vote. That means Bill Stewart, WVU's HC, also voted for FL. Well, it's not the 1st mistake he's made in 2009; sadly it won't be his last.

Tommy_Trojan · 10 months ago

WEA:

Pete Carroll does not, nor ever has had, a vote in the coaches poll. His anti-BCS stance seems to have him excluded. I'm not sure how this has come about - but I do know that it is fact. Maybe somebody can enlighten us, how in this free America in 2009, Pete Carroll (coach of the USC Trojans) does not have a vote in the coaches poll that every other coach in America has? Anybody got the answer? Because I honestly do not know this one.

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 10 months ago

I thought that ALL 119 FBS coaches had a vote. Anyone know the reason?

New guys: endear yourselves and research that for us, please...

Jason · 10 months ago

The football rankings are compiled by the USA Today Board of Coaches which is made up of 63 head coaches at Division I FBS institutions. All coaches are members of the American Football Coaches Association.

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 10 months ago

Thank you. Strange that Pete Carroll doesn't have a vote, if what Tommy said above is correct..

Wardboy3 · 10 months ago

I thought I heard Pete say that he was offered but said no..basically b/c he feels the BCS is BS.

Also I find it odd that the SEC has the most coaches voting, 7, than any other conference...mmmmmmmm
Though I do not know what will happen with Croom's, Tuberville's, & Fulmer's votes but Chizik has a vote. So technically the SEC had 8 votes in the final poll.

Skip1 · 11 months ago

Like lists of music and movies, the real interesting stuff is going on at the bottom. Oregon State, Georgia Tech, Florida State, Michigan State, and Cal should be pleased to make the year-end top 25, though I don't see any of them threatening the top 10 next year.

Ramblin' Gator · 10 months ago

I can't address the other teams, but Georgia Tech gets back most of their two-deep players for next season and Coach Paul Johnson will have his first full recruiting season, so GT looks pretty good for next year. I've already seen two preseason poll projections on AJC and one has GT at 13 and the other ranks them 10th.

Zac · 10 months ago

I here-by nominate GA Tech as this year's Dr Jekyll & Mr Hyde. I mean, they earned a tough win in Chestnut Hill; then, lost a tough one in Blacksburg. They scored a total of 65 pts in wins against MS St & Duke, but couldn't score more than 10 against Gardner-Webb. They won at Clemson, but lost at home to 5-win VA. They scored 72 pts in wins against FL St & Miami, but sandwiched in between was a 7 pt effort in a loss at NC. Finally, at GA, Mr Hyde shows up in the 1st half, only to yield to Dr Jekyll resulting in a 2nd half come-back win. That's the same GA, which beat LSU in New Orleans, but Mr Hyde stuck around for the Chick-Fil-A Bowl, cause the Yellow Jackets that beat GA were no where to be found. Just another part of that crazy package known as the ACC.

I agree; they should be darn good next year. If they hadn't managed 9 wins this year, they wouldn't be ranked at all.

Ramblin' Gator · 10 months ago

You know, I hadn't thought of that and it's pretty depressing. Throughout the Chan Gailey era, the only thing Tech did consistenly was lose 5 games every season. They would beat Auburn and lose to Duke. Beat Miami and lose to NC State. In the excitement of a new coach and losing fewer than 5 games this season, I missed that they still played inconsistently.

The Chicken Bowl was especially bad. Kudos to LSU as they did the best job of defending the triple option that we saw this season. Tech's special teams took the game off (in fact, they took the season off). The weird thing was Tech's defense phoned in the second quarter of that game, giving up 28 points in an 8 minute span. The final score would have been a respectable 10 to 3 if the defense had played consistently throughout the game.

Zac · 10 months ago

Take solace in knowing this was Johnon's 1st season. Consistency comes with complete buy-in to his system from ALL the players. He's still got 3 seasons of Gailey's troops to go through. And, the longer they are there, the more readily they'll learn/buy-in-to Johnson's system of play and style of coaching. As an outsider, I couldn't help but spot the inconsistency. In fairness, however, I wouldn't look at it as much as I'd look at it in being his 1st year and what was actually accomplished. Consider what Rodriguez did in his 1st year at WVU...and MI. I think Johnson's going to be fine; he just needs another season or two is all.

Skip1 · 10 months ago

I hope you're right. I have seen too many 7-5 seasons to expect a huge leap forward, but who knows--maybe Paul Johnson is the spark the program needed.

Ben Prather · 11 months ago

Missing above is the first place votes for the AP.

Florida 48
Utah 16
USC 1

I believe this is a fair representation of the public opinion, with about 25% of us thinking an undefeated season is an undefeated season and 75% thinking Florida is the better team.

I also believe that most of the latter 75% think the current system is horrible and Utah should have had a chance to play another top team or two to shut them up or earn a crystal ball.

Regan · 11 months ago

In a related statistical matter, 4 out of 5 people surveyed thought that the 5th one was an idiot.

Ben Prather · 11 months ago

Ok, their are a few who think the current system is ok, with some small adjustments, but definately less than 1 out of 5 ; )

GeauxTigers0107 · 11 months ago

In another related statistical matter, 4 out of 3 people have trouble with fractions.

Ramblin' Gator · 10 months ago

...and 78.3% of all statistics are just made up.

Tom_Blogical · 10 months ago

There are lies, damned lies, and statistics.

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 10 months ago

And we won't even mention campaign promises...

GeauxTigers0107 · 10 months ago

LOL...that's a new one for me.

Ramblin' Gator · 10 months ago

There are 5 kinds of people. Those who understand math and those who don't.

Ramblin' Gator · 10 months ago

...and one for all us computer geeks...

There are 10 kinds of people. Those who understand binary and those who don't.

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 10 months ago

hahaha! Love it!!

Ramblin' Gator · 10 months ago

This is the kind of humor you missed by skipping out on a Georgia Tech education, dude.

Ben Prather · 10 months ago

I give your BASIC humor a C++.

Zac · 10 months ago

Yo! I doan know wat any of uze guyz iz talk'n about.

Bevo_Boy · 10 months ago

I heard that from my art teacher in elementary school. Strangely enough, about a month later when I had art, we went in there and he was hiding under his desk lol.

Hotty_Toddy · 11 months ago

Top 15 Finish! Who woulda thunk it!

Ben Prather · 11 months ago

Our teams started to get the credit they deserved a little too late.

CHEERS!!

GeauxTigers0107 · 10 months ago

Agreed. Congrats to both you guys teams.


Time to start the recruiting talk.......


Geaux Tigers
Geaux SEC

CaneResurrection · 10 months ago

Now we have to recruit against the National Champions and ESPN. Check out the hit piece by Gene Wojciechowski.........

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?co...

"So enjoy Miami, Ray Ray and Dyron. But remember, be careful about transferring. At UM, it's more about The U than you."

I thought that was the way it should be.

Ben Prather · 10 months ago

Just be glad your conference has a TV deal with them. They tear your conference apart otherwise, or ignore it if they cant.

Tom_Blogical · 10 months ago

Houston Nutt. You better get used to success at Ole Miss.

Zac · 10 months ago

Congrats, HT, it was nice to see such a change, not to mention such success in a 1st year HC. Now I want you to immagine for a minute; your boyz were only 6 pts from being 11-2, and only another 13 from being undefeated. Now, I'd say that's worth more than 1 Mint Julep. Congrats again!

Hotty_Toddy · 10 months ago

Hey... Zac.... are you trying to make me have a fit and start throwing things across the room? Cuz its working. :-P

Zac · 10 months ago

I was trying to point out just how close (the likely reason Ole Miss was underated so) Ole Miss was to an even greater season. Throw things across the room as ye see fit. You have lots to look forward to next season.

Wardboy3 · 10 months ago

A very impressive season for Ole Miss though I was a little surprised at the bowl game given Nutt's past record (2-5 i think)

4cornerz · 10 months ago

Ben you are 100% right, but at least your school will receive a ton of BCS Money

Ben Prather · 10 months ago

[evil laugh]

Yessss.........

[ smiles while stroking beard ominously ]

PittsburghTiger · 10 months ago

Looks about right.

Nice to see Ole Miss in there!

shiguy · 10 months ago

And welcome back to the top 25 WVU.

Zac · 10 months ago

It's a good start to a new year. Speaking of good starts, AND recruiting, when was the last time you saw 18 outta 20 WVU recruits with scores of 74 or higher?

Tom_Blogical · 10 months ago

I find it interesting that Alabama was beaten soundly in their last two games and are still ranked #6...but...where else do they go in the list?

Plus...TCU doesn't belong where they are, IMHO.

Ben Prather · 10 months ago

TCU's losses are to Utah and Oklahoma, 2 top 4 teams.

Boise State is the only one loss team behind them, and they beat them. They also beat BYU SOUNDLY. That is two top 25 wins. Other than Alabama and Oklahoma, name a 2 loss team that can beat all that?

Tom_Blogical · 10 months ago

We've had the SoS discussion already, and you didn't convince me then, either. Your Jedi Mind tricks have no effect on me, young Prather.

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 10 months ago

That's Darth Prather to you, young Blogical...

Just remember, hokey playoffs and ancient rivalries are no match for a BCS CG win at your side...

Tom_Blogical · 10 months ago

"Just remember, hokey playoffs and ancient rivalries are no match for a BCS CG win at your side..."

The BCS...so uncivilized. I'm not Anakin Skywalker, Lord Sidious. I will not turn to the dark side...

Ben Prather · 10 months ago

**See comment to 4corners above**

Tom_Blogical · 10 months ago

LOL! Yeah, I saw that. :-)

Zac · 10 months ago

You don't need to stop blogging. This is not the thread you're looking for. We can all comment about our business. Move along, nothing to see here...oops, wrong reference.

Tyler_Tech · 10 months ago

UTAH!!!!>Sec>Big 12

Tyler_Tech · 10 months ago

Here are some games I would really like to see:

USC vs. UF
Utah vs. UT
Texas Tech vs. TCU
Best part of the college football season:

Besides the obvious crab grab, the downfall of Chase Daniels and the tigers. My cousin played baseball with him at southlake in High school and the guy is the opposite of Tim Tebow when it comes to being a team player.

Ben Prather · 10 months ago

I might go with:

Utah 2004 vs Utah 2008

Then maybe:

Utah vs. USC
Utah vs. UF
TCU vs. Texas

Zac · 10 months ago

Personnally, I think it's an absolute outrage that Utah was only ranked 4th by USA Today. They don't know it yet, but I'm done with their newspaper. Well, except maybe the March Madness excerpt.

Ben Prather · 10 months ago

Utah, USC and Texas are in a clump in both polls. I think this reflects the fact that no significant difference is seen between the strength of these three teams.

Zac · 10 months ago

"I think this reflects the fact that no significant difference is seen between the strength of these three teams."

Ben, I supose you could take solace in that. Not to mention, TX did arguably play a much tougher schedule. That said, USC didn't, and I don't see where Utah couldn't have beaten Penn St by any less a margin. Just my opinion, big guy.

hrposon · 10 months ago

A couple of weeks ago the AP and Coaches polls both said that Oklahoma was better looking than Utah, USC and Texas. So they gave Big Game Bob another Golden Opportunity to the win the beauty contest and today they say that USC, Utah and Texas are all prettier.
I think in December they all voted at closing time...

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 10 months ago

Maybe we should go back to the old days when the polls were taken before the bowl games...

hrposon · 10 months ago

Do you really want to have the President of the United States waltz into a locker and declare the MNC again. Isn't that the reason they wanted to impeach Richard Nixon?
It won't be long before it will be finally be decided on the football field.

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 10 months ago

JOKE....

1Tomcat · 10 months ago

Pretty funny
Prior to the Feista Texas #3 and Ohio St #10 after Feista Texas #4 and Ohio St #9
So the team that wins drops and the team that loses gains
BTW OSU's loss to PSU was real close and the loss to USC was without Wells

hrposon · 10 months ago

TC, You probably already know of this Texas site. But if you don't, enjoy...
http://www.jcdenton40.com/

1Tomcat · 10 months ago

Thanks hrposon
12-1 Feista Champs 5 straight bowl wins
8- 10+ win seasons in a row

GoCougs! · 10 months ago

So can we see the conference comparisons that they use to determine the auto-qualifying status for conferences now?

40AcresOfBurntOrange · 10 months ago

Congrats Florida!! Hook Em Horns!

OU_Ron · 10 months ago

40A's where have you been, we all thought you were transferred or something ??
possibly to Austin where you and Lennie may have hooked up...welcome back..

Zac · 10 months ago

And thus returns the prodigal son! How ya been 40AOBO? Watcha been do'n, go out for the TX Rangers? What's cook'n on them thar highways?

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 10 months ago

40 Acres, if I were a cop, I'd have to serve you a warrant for failure to appear this year...

Let me guess: you were working undercover in a dope ring--otherwise known as an Oklahoma huddle. Yuck, yuck, yuck...

hrposon · 10 months ago

Next time the comedy writers go strike you can make a litlle extra cash :-)

Zac · 10 months ago

I agree, WarEagle, too funny!

grover · 10 months ago

Poll: Who of these 3 will win another national title first: Bob Stoops, Jim Tressel or Mack Brown?

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 10 months ago

Good question. We need the ability to do polls on here.

Mack Daddy!!

Bevo_Boy · 10 months ago

Mack Brown. His only problem is getting to the NC, not getting there and blowing it (like the other 2 have been known to do). That's 5 straight bowl wins. Hook'em Horns!

Ben Prather · 10 months ago

NEWS FLASH:

Utah wins BCS computer component, claiming #1 in 4 of the 6 official BCS components.

Team: AND BILL COL MAS SAG WOL -- computer average
Utah: 1 3 3 1 1 1 -- 0.98
Florida: 2 1 1 2 2 2 -- 0.97
Texas: 3 4 2 4 3 3 -- 0.91
USC: 5 2 4 5 5 4 -- 0.86

It is noteworthy that Sagarin and Massey both offer MOV rankings they tout as being better than the BCS algorithms that have Utah lower.

A much broader measure has 8 out of 62 algorithms selecting Utah as the champion. The AP poll has twice this, at 1/4. This could be due to some voters choosing Utah to stick it to the system.

4cornerz · 10 months ago

The real question will be Next year How high will UTAH, Boise State, and TCU be rank. I am hoping one of the three schools will be rank in the top 6 in order to have a legitimate shot for the National Title

Ben Prather · 10 months ago

THE BEST UTAH ARGUMENT YET!!!

With the blog poll out, with results similar to the AP vote, I think it is fair to say Utah has 25% of the vote.

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 10 months ago

And the best one against!!!!

Sorry if it looks familiar. I took a few of my comments in this thread, applied some electricity, and created a whole new monster...

Hey, I got lines to fill over at the homer site...

Ben Prather · 10 months ago

Ok, LSU is not directly involved in the issue, Florida is.

The fact that a FLORIDA GATORS site supported Utah, giving Utah the #1 vote in their Blog Poll, is sweet.

1Tomcat · 10 months ago

WEA Once again good job man
and 48% of AU fans support a playoff interesting, thought it would be higher after the 04 debacle

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 10 months ago

It's higher than that, I think. I'd wager that 80% or better of CFB fans support one...

Ben Prather · 10 months ago

And the other 20% are USC, LSU and Florida fans.

Ramblin' Gator · 10 months ago

Can I be a Gators fan AND opposed to the BCS?

I certainly hope so. Otherwise, I have some existential issues to resolve. :-)

I've seen several Utah, UGA, and FSU fans pointing to the Saurian Sagacity article to justify their positions (i.e. UF shouldn't be #1). I'd rather point to the plethora of power ratings that have UF at #1 and Utah somewhere between 4 and 6, my favorite being Sagarin.

That does not change my belief that the BCS is a sucky system designed to preserve the power structure of NCAA football history. If the BCS were not associated with collegiate athletics, I believe the FTC would charge the BCS with numerous anti-trust violations.

Ben Prather · 10 months ago

And then I would point to the column that says ELO-CHESS and point out that this is the one the BCS uses, which agrees with 3 of the other 5 BCS computers, giving Utah the edge for the BCS computer average.

Ramblin' Gator · 10 months ago

You're absolutely right and we both agree that the BCS sucks, so...

Tommy_Trojan · 10 months ago

Ben:

You know as well as anybody, that the ELO-CHESS, is exactly what the problem is. It only rewards teams for not losing. It does not reward any team for who they beat, how much, or where it was played. The EC is what the BCS demands. If they used the "Predictor" - then we would have a completely different ballgame. The "ELO-CHESS" was designed for the perfectly "politically correct" system. Not losing is all that matters to this system. When did the last "Super Bowl Champion" go unbeaten? How many "Super Bowl" Champs have had as many as four losses? Never in the history of football, has it ever been true, that just because you lost a game or two - that you might not have been the best team. There are many injuries in this game and that is a reason for some losses. But, once a team gets healthy, particularly during bowl season - we have a whole different set of circumstances on the field. The ELO-CHESS does great injustice to this principle.