Balldogs, the key for Fresno to beat Rutgers: Get to QB, Mike Teel. He's in his final year; he's improved every year in every category. He has one of the best group of receivers to throw to for any QB in CF. Though Rice is gone, it is believed he'll still have a good RB or 2, with which to work.
Now for the good news: He lost almost half of his O-Line. If Fresno employs a controlled/attacking scheme, they may be able to make Teel's life miserable. Pressure, sacks, forced INT's, this stuff should unravel him. Keep him at or below 250 yards passing (Yes, you have to shut down the running game.), your boys leave Piscataway with a win. If they let him complete over 60+% for near to, if not over, 300 yards + 3 or more TD's, your boys are toast. Not to mention, they're defense is expected to be good.
Trust me, as good as Fresno is, your boys have their work cut out for them.
Balldogs1
· 1 year ago
Thanks Kevin.....appreciate it. Yes, national champions...it may never happen again.......some of you posters are angry I feel.........so much hate........all we did was beat like 5 or 6 league champs......nobody gave us a chance......in the history of NCAA sports, no team has ever done what this team did. Never has a team seeded as low as we were win it all. I shall continue to wallow in a championship atmosphere not for a mere 15 minutes as some of you would have me do but for 365 days......until the next College World Series. As far as the picture coming in a little better for me, ESPN would televise the game no matter who was playing....blue blood......green blood........orange blood. It doesn't matter. I'm not about to thank the SEC for anything. Thanks to the NCAA for putting on such an awsome tournament. GO BULLDOGS
Balldogs1
· 1 year ago
thanks for the tip Zac.....this game will be the litmus test for both teams.
Zac
· 1 year ago
Thank me if your boys win. Best of luck!
OU_Ron
· 1 year ago
Wow, softball champs, stupid me, and I thought this was your first NC for anything........
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
Okay, congratulations on your baseball championship. Now unless you've got some football to talk about, it's time to move along, nothing to see here...
Kevin @ Fanblogs
· 1 year ago
Amen.
Lennie Collins
· 1 year ago
War Eagle Atlanta...let Balldogs1 make it! He sounds like good people! Fresno State will never probably play for a National Title in football because it is design for the Major Six Conferences to. You gotta love the head coach's mindset: We will play anyone, anywhere! Even Robert Stoops can't say that! Many of the Major Six coaches can't say it!
Balldogs1
· 1 year ago
Mr. War Eagle you sound a bit dismayed? Anyway football, ah yes......Rutgers in a few weeks......Boom! let's do it!......can't wait.......see you there!......OU Ron, easy now....it's not stupidity......it's ignorance....... Love ya!
Balldogs1
· 1 year ago
Ben, might you be jealous 'cause you have nothing to "yap yap yap " about?....Thanks to the SEC for allowing my "peon" team to kick your gludeus maximus, we really appreciate the opportunity to show the world how we roll......as far as being here before, we have (National Softball Champs in '98)....woof woof arf arf it really doesn't matter what sound the Dog makes as long as it's heard......and believe me ladies and gentlemen right now we are being heard........you don't have to like it.......believe it........want it..........you just have to accept it....ta ta for now...........Rutgers you're next to feel the bite of the mighty Bulldogs of FRESNO STATE........please excuse me as I wallow in a National Championship.
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
Actually I might have had too much to drink when I read your post, and was inspired by an ankle biter.
For the record I indicated in my potential BCS NC post that I think that BYU and Fresno State could earn a spot in the NC game if a typical turnover at the top occurs and they start in the top 15, maybe 20.
Both of these teams, and Utah, Boise State, Nevda, and TCU can get to a BCS game with a single close early conference loss.
If we are counting championships in sports that no one watches, lets count Utah's 10 NC in womens gymnastics. Otherwise we should stick to Football and non BCS teams that actually have won a BCS Bowl.
TampaGator
· 1 year ago
You're a hoot!
By all means, enjoy the hell out of your 15 mins of fame and glory...and the Disney movie that's sure to follow....but please don't turn back and take a crap on the very folks that made that commendable acheivement even matter. It's just not good form.
Perhaps some perspective is in order: college sports matter because of the big conferences, their members, and their respective followings---that's what comprises the "infrastructure" that the occasional Cinderalla gets to ride to glory. To illustrate: ESPN aired that game in prime time, because UGA was in it. Othewise, that game's on in the afternoon, on ESPN U or some such. They aired the Col. World series at all, because all those big bad blue blood conferences participated in it. Otherwise, it would've gotten about as much play as your softball c'ship.
The picture starting to come into a little better focus for you there, big dog?
...aside from that, enjoy the hell out of that c'ship. They are special, and very ellusive.
....and FWIW, I'll be sure to watch and own the movie when it comes out. Great story
GO GATORS!!
Balldogs1
· 1 year ago
Ben,,,,,,,Neb........Enb........Bne.......Nbe.......is that all you can say?
truechamp
· 1 year ago
Let’s see, the baseball players at Fresno State can play for a national championship but Fresno State’s football players cannot because they are not in a BCS conference. What a system! Congratulations ACC, Big East, Big 10, Big XII, PAC 10 and SEC it is clever of you to relegate half your competition as “second class” so that you can maintain your recruiting advantage. Congratulations to the BCS conference commissioners, with the help of the media, you have suckered us all into believing that it has to be this way. Please Congress, for the good of sport and the athletes who play them, rescue us from this unsportsmanlike conduct.
TampaGator
· 1 year ago
Douchebag.
How about thanks to SEC et.al. for establishing the infrastructure that allowed your peon school to gain national recognition for winning a NC.
Congrats to Fresno State baseball team for winning the c'ship.
Your welcome, for the opportunity to market your school to the rest of the nation, compliments of the big confrences and big schools creating the interest in the first place.
GO GATORS!!
Balldogs1
· 1 year ago
Kevin, it's not what the people belive, it's what the Fresno State Football team believe.....and if you haven't heard, it's in themselves. Case in point: A fan was overheard saying "..that team (FSU Diamond Dogs) will be home by Wednesday (June 18th)"... in other words an early exit from the tournament. Somebody forgot to tell [them]. Bulldog pride runs deep in the veins of our blood. You wouldn't understand if you're not a 'Dog.....it rubs off....we pass it on to the next generation.......so you really don't have to say anything except maybe........arf! arf!
TampaGator
· 1 year ago
I was wondering when you'd chime in.
"....You wouldn't understand if you're not a 'Dog.....it rubs off....we pass it on to the next generation......."
"That's how we roll..."
Blah blah blah.
Congrats on the NC big dog. Now how about at least acting like you've been there before, and keeping things in a little perspective there, Cinderalla.
GO GATORS!!
Balldogs1
· 1 year ago
I'd like to thank the comittee for allowing us (Fresno State) to beat everyone who got in our way.....yap yap yap....our "peon" school beat the best of the best (see NCAA College World Series)....if you still don't believe, move to Tibet and get help with your grasp on reality...I am fine, thanks......Go Dogs.....Rutgers football team...You're next..........can't wait!...Go Dogs!
Zac
· 1 year ago
I'm a "Woof! Woof! OWOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!" man myself. And, when I say "Woof," I mean Woof!
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
YAP YAP YAP YAP YAP!!!!
YAP YAP
YAP YAP YAP YAP YAP!!!!!
BallDogs3
· 1 year ago
For me the point about turning down the $$$$$ is moot. What's done is done. We shall play Wisconsin on Sweeny field in 81 days. And to all you San Diego State .....Rice...... Arizona State and Tar Heel fans I have only one thing to say, shhhhhhhhh. GO DOGS!
Balldogs1
· 1 year ago
As far as I'm concerned the point about the $$$$ is moot. What's done is done. We shall play Wisconsin on Sweeny Field in 81 days. And for all you San Diego State....Rice....Tar Heels and Arizona State baseball fans out there I have but one thing to say, shhhhhhhh. GO DOGS!
Eye_of_the_Tiger
· 1 year ago
If there was already a pledge for new turf around the sum of $800,000 why would they want to accept an offer to re-do their turf and not have a home game? They would be giving themselves the short end of the stick, and also, they would look desperate. I don't blame them. Fresno B-Dogs and GA Bulldogs in 40 minutes. Go Bulldogs!
Eye_of_the_Tiger
· 1 year ago
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Zac
· 1 year ago
Can ya hear me now? Good!
Lennie Collins
· 1 year ago
Zac you can't fine some good West Virginia logos & helmets? I guess this is the season West Virginia gone blow up and win it all? Then keep it!
Zac
· 1 year ago
WVU will have to get passed your Sooners 1st, me thinks. Were they to play again, I wouldn't expect the rematch to go quite the way the Fiesta Bowl went.
Did you happen to see ESPN has their revised pre-season Top-25 out. Not only did ND make the list (at #25), but OK was ranked 3rd. In addition, between OK & TX (ranked 11th) are 2 more Big-12 teams: MO, & TTech. Not bad respect for your conference, not to mention the Big-12 South.
OH, yeah, the mushroom cloud: I thought you guys would get a kick out of it, being as I work in Nuclear Power and all...
Don V
· 1 year ago
I'm surprised by the vitriol towards Fresno for turning down the offer. If it were a bigger difference, maybe they should've taken it, but is the $800K (minus travel costs mentioned above) worth the positive publicity a possible win against Wisconsin would bring? I think everyone could agree that Fresno stands a much better chance beating Wisconsin in Fresno that at Lambeau. That win alone could be worth alot - enough to make up the difference, doubtful but certainly enough to make this a reasonable decision. You only get so far selling your home games; at some point you have to take a stand and use them for your benefit.
Kevin @ Fanblogs
· 1 year ago
If Fresno beats Wisconsin, I can assure you that *most* of the pundits won't be talking about the Bulldogs. Instead they'll be wondering what's wrong with Wisky. Bank it.
1Tomcat
· 1 year ago
You're right Kev They played the Aggies a close game last year at College Station. The Bulldogs came back from behind, never underestimate your opponent.
Zac
· 1 year ago
I dunno, Kev. In 2001 Fresno won at WI, 32-20 the week after they beat the Buffs in Boulder 24-22. In 2002, they lost at WI 32-30. Now, you could argue this team should have taken the money; they play well on the road. I don't think I have to tell you or anybody how road trips will eventually take a toll on a team, and currently Fresno will fight through 7 of them. Since it could have been 8, I think they bought a little rest with the money they may have netted from the offer to play elsewhere. While it's taking a chance, if they wind up beating WI this year, it will have been a worthy roll of the dice, but only if they win.
TampaGator
· 1 year ago
Perhaps, but not in Cali.
GO GATORS!!
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
Bravo for the Bulldogs. For a team like Fresno to attract a team like Wisconsin to their home field to play is quite the coup--even if it does cost them $1.8M on paper (though I doubt it's really that much) The prestige added to their program for such an event will be such that it can't be measured by dollars alone. I applaud the decision. It's one of the few ways in this world that a mid-major team like Fresno can earn respect in CFB.
I wonder if they want to get Auburn out there to avenge that 62-0 drubbing from 1996...
TheMayor
· 1 year ago
W_E_A
You do not want to come to Fresno...although I would drive down from the SF Bay to see that game. Actually I would go to any game on the West Coast against an SEC team,,,except against USC...can't stand the Coliseum.
Maybe if they installed FieldTurf I would go to the game.
Not sure how Traveler would feel about FieldTurf ? But then a horse is a horse of course unless he's Mr.Ed or .....Traveler.
Isn't that USC's mascot's name or is it the POTUS? I get them mixed up.
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
But did you make the trip back east a few years ago when you guys had a home and home with Miss State? Granted, most of the west coast has more to offer than the Mississippi delta. I was surprised that Washington State brought as many fans as they did to Auburn in 2006.
I'd like to see more SEC-Pac10 matchups. I'm still kicking myself from 2002 when we played in the LA Coliseum against USC and I didn't go. I did catch them down in Auburn the following year, when we got spanked...
TheMayor
· 1 year ago
Never been back to an SEC Game. I plan to go to an Ole Miss game this year just for the hell of it. A friend of mine just moved back there last year and claims the rumors are true.
I'll also be headed back to Neyland in 2010 to see the Ducks play.
Lennie Collins
· 1 year ago
This shows me how much Wisconsin does not want to travel to Fresno. If i am not mistaken...Wisconsin has not played well on the West Coast! Wanting to paid for fieldturf for Bulldog Stadium? What is wrong with the natural grass there? This is Fresno State's only home non-conference game. If they would have travel to the not yet "Frozen Tundra" it would still be a home game for Wisconsin even if they let Frenso State wear their all red gear. Smart move for Fresno State. If Wisconsin does not like the Left Coast...then do not schedule games out there.
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
It is not like they are wanting to install a red field to compete with their notable in conference rival.
Lennie Collins
· 1 year ago
I don't get that one Mr. Prather? It's not like Fresno is going through a drought. I really do not see the love for fieldturf except to save money. Natural grass is it! Boise State's blue fieldturf is a joke. It was different at first now it's annoying!
Lennie Collins
· 1 year ago
This shows me how much Wisconsin does not want to travel to Fresno. If i am not mistaken...Wisconsin has not played well on the West Coast! Wanting to paid for fieldturf for Bulldog Stadium? What is wrong with the natural grass there? This is Fresno State's only home non-conference game. If they would have travel to the not yet "Frozen Tundra" it would still be a home game for Wisconsin even if they let Frenso State wear their all red gear. Smart move for Fresno State. If Wisconsin does not like the Left Coast...then do not schedule games out there.
Zac
· 1 year ago
I didn't look into the entire story, but has anyone considered the cost of TRAVEL to Fresno St, with regards to this "wonderful" offer to play at Lambeau? If we take that into consideration, the $1.8 M offer is easily reduced to approximately $1.3 M. The net would therefore be approximately $300,000.00; an even smaller amount of "pocket change" to offset disillusioned bulldog fans and the impact to the local economy discussed by Tampa G. So, in truth, while on the surface, this decision makes you wanna shout "WTF?!?", perhaps it weren't so bad after all.
As for the undefeated part, while this may not be likely, I don't see it as being at all far-fetched. Personally, I see Fresno going 9-3, but that's just me.
Kevin @ Fanblogs
· 1 year ago
$500K to travel a college team to Lambeau?!?! I'm in the wrong business.
TampaGator
· 1 year ago
I think he's talking about liquidated damages for not performing under the contract, not necessarily traveling expenses.
...but I have heard some extraordinary estimates for travel expenses, usually in the $200k+ range, but that's for bowl trips, and includes 600-900 travelers.
GO GATORS!!
ksuwild
· 1 year ago
Also, add the $500,000.00 (I'm embarrassed to say) Kansas St. payed them to get out of their game with Fresno St. and I don't think the money is as big of a factor as losing a home game.....especially against that type of opponent. Why you would buy your way out of a home game is beyond me??????
mike
· 1 year ago
I am not saying that Fresno will go undefeated I am only saying that it is a possibility and that the odds of them going undefeated would be reduced if they had to play Wisconsin on the road. I am also saying that the choice was a no brainer and would challenge anyone to find a good reason why Fresno should have accepted the deal.
TampaGator
· 1 year ago
Where's that fiesty FS bulldog kid? ...he should be chiming in soon.
I for one, don't fault Fresno State at all for this decision. You have to balance between a decent home schedule and profitability. IMO, it would've been short sighted to cash in on the payday, at the expense of the home game--short sighted because you get .8 mil up front, but lose interest from your fan base, which could easily be worth more than $1 mil. A home game generally generates more than $1 mil to local economy; a big time game like Wisc'y would surely do so; plus, if FS wins, that could easily serve as a catalyst for future alumni donations, and general interest.
...and what about the intangible marketing aspect: a game v. Wisc'y in Wiscy markets Wisc'y to Wisc'y; A Fresno State game in Fresno Cali v. Wisc'y (or any big time opponent), markets Fresno State to California...
You can always schedule a sexy away game for a decent payday; getting a big time team like Wisc'y to come to your house...priceless (well, almost; certainly more than .8 mil).
My $.02.
GO GATORS!!
Go Blue Jeff
· 1 year ago
Why even bother with the rhetoric about the money? It was a football decision, folks. You have the biggest game they have had in a long time....at home??? And someone wants you to move it??
Uh...no...
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
Rhetoric about money? I wish it really was rhetoric.
0.8 million dollars, however, is small change in todays college football economic climate. The home field advantage difference in win odds plus the difference in marketability of the team with a win vs a loss is significantly greater than this.
Now offer a few million, and the idea may be considered.
John W.
· 1 year ago
Yes Kevin,
We really do believe we have a good shot at going undefeated. That's what champions do...they believe in themselves. I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand that though. If everyone thought like you our baseball team would not be the first #4 seed ever to be playing for a National Championship. People were telling them before the regionals..."Do you really think you're going to make it Omaha?" We believe at Fresno State!
mike
· 1 year ago
You can't be serious if you think this was a bad idea to turn down the offer. Image that you are a Fresno state booster and the university expects this deal, your contribution might shrink a little the next year after the university just got rid of the best home game in ten years(mine would). Also take into account that Fresno has a chance to make the BCS (a payout far larger than 1.8 million). If they had seven roads games their chances of having an undefeated run would be greatly reduce. If you are purely looking at this on the money side Fresno should just get rid of football. Then they could eliminate some womens sports and probable never have to worry about the athlete budget (of course no one outside of Fresno would ever talk about Fresno state again). This choice was based off more than money but even if it was only based off money it was the right choice.
Kevin @ Fanblogs
· 1 year ago
Do people really believe that Fresno is going to go undefeated? Wow. I don't even know what to say to that.
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
Fresno State, along with all the mainland schools in the WAC, had a down year last year. That was a 9-4 result for Fresno State. Lets consider this years schedule:
@ Rutgers: (8-5 Big East) If these teams return to normal form this game should be close. Wisconsin: (9-4 Big 10) Fresno should be favored to lose by 10 or more points here. An upset is unlikely, but not unthinkable. @ Toledo: (5-7 MAC) Fresno State should win this game. @ UCLA: (6-7 PAC-10) What has UCLA done lately? Like Rutgers this game is a toss up. Hawai'i: (12-1 WAC) Hawai'i is a one hit wonder. Fresno State should be favored. Idaho: (1-11 WAC) Enough said. @ Utah State: (2-10 WAC) Again. @ Louisiana Tech: (5-7 WAC) Fresno State should be heavily favored here. Nevada: (6-5 WAC) Nevada had a down year last year. This game could be close. New Mexico St.: (4-9 WAC) See idaho and Utah St. San joe St.: (5-7 WAC) See La Tech @ Boise State: (10-3 WAC) This game, as usual, should be expected to determine the WAC championship
So dividing these games by severity of the challenge we find: Extream upsets (20+ point underdog 1%): 0 Serious Underdog(10-20 point underdog, 15%): 1, Wisconsin Challenge(3-10 point underdog, 35%): 2, Rutgers, UCLA Even (3 point spread either way 50%): 3, Boise State, Nevada, Hawai'i (benifit of doubt) Favored(3-10 point favorite 65%): 1, Toledo Expected Wins(10-20 point favorite 85%): 2, La. Tech, San jose State Extream upsets(21+ favorite 99%): 3, Idaho, Utah St, New Mexico St.
Fresno State should have 3-4 losses this year.
Using the estimates for the games above one can estimate the propobility of a given record. A bowl game is estimated at serious underdog if undefeated, challenge if one loss and even odds if they have more then 6 wins.
These odds seem to underestimate Fresno State, but it is safe to say that the likelyhood of Fresno State going undefeated is on bar with the likelyhood of Fresno State losing 9 or more games.
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
wow, i am bored
VTBobb
· 1 year ago
I know if I were a student, I would prefer a good NCG at home as opposed to, say, one against Eastern Utah State. Maybe the powers that be decided it was better for the fans to keep the home game at home. Don't we always here people griping about how too many schools are too worried about the almightly dollar, and don't show enough concern about the fans? Maybe they deserve the benefit of the doubt. Of course, maybe not.
FSFB
· 1 year ago
NIce cheap shot at Fresno State Boosters
$1.8 million just wasn't enough -- FS makes $1 million per home sellout, and the money earmarked for field turf has already been donated. Now if the promoter had offered $2-3 million, like the City of Nashville offered Wyoming in 2002 for their home game with Tennessee, that would have been a different. story.
Fresno State has just five home games this season, moving Wisconsin to Lambeau just didn't make sense this season since most Bulldog fans have been waiting 7 years for this game to transpire -- FS has only had 4 BCS schools (Ore St. twice, Oregon and Kan St.) visit Bulldog Stadium this decade. Not too mention, FS had already started selling season tickets back in January before the final details of the Lambeau deal came to fruitation.
of course the Bulldog fans know the athletic budget is in a downturn, but moving the game to Lambeau would not have fixed that for the money they were offering.
and Coach Hill was not going to screw over the fans for such
would Arizona State move their game with Georgia this year to the Georgia Dome for x-amount of $ or would USC move their game with Ohio State to Paul Brown Stadium for say $10 million??? The number would have to be right for such a move...and in FS's case the amount was too low for it to be even considered
Kevin @ Fanblogs
· 1 year ago
From a budgetary standpoint, I think the comparison to Wyoming is much more appropriate for Fresno State than to even mention Airozna State or USC.
The field turf budget argument is weak and I suspect even FSU boosters would agree with me here. If Fanblogs were going to write a check to cover the entire field turf budget right this very second, there's no chance that the Bulldogs would turn away the money on the grounds that they had already raised money for that project. Not even a chance. They would take the check, smile, and start reallocating money.
(Unfortunately, any check from Fanblogs would bounce... but I digress.)
Listen, here's the long and short of it. According to the Equity in Athletics disclosures for the most recent year, Fresno State athletic department managed a profit of $774,594, on revenues of $25,153,897.
The school has done away with wrestling, mens soccer and womens swim teams to pare down expenses. The Mens & Womens track coaches are unpaid volunteers as of the latest E.I.A report, for crying out loud.
For the Bulldogs to turn away a $1.8 million package is terribly irresponsible, IMO.
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maybe this will help: http://www.modbee.com/columnists/agostini/story...
Now for the good news: He lost almost half of his O-Line. If Fresno employs a controlled/attacking scheme, they may be able to make Teel's life miserable. Pressure, sacks, forced INT's, this stuff should unravel him. Keep him at or below 250 yards passing (Yes, you have to shut down the running game.), your boys leave Piscataway with a win. If they let him complete over 60+% for near to, if not over, 300 yards + 3 or more TD's, your boys are toast. Not to mention, they're defense is expected to be good.
Trust me, as good as Fresno is, your boys have their work cut out for them.
not for a mere 15 minutes as some of you would have me do but for 365 days......until the next College World Series. As far as the picture coming in a little better for me, ESPN would televise the game no matter who was playing....blue blood......green blood........orange blood. It doesn't matter. I'm not about to thank the SEC for anything. Thanks to the NCAA for putting on such an awsome tournament. GO BULLDOGS
For the record I indicated in my potential BCS NC post that I think that BYU and Fresno State could earn a spot in the NC game if a typical turnover at the top occurs and they start in the top 15, maybe 20.
Both of these teams, and Utah, Boise State, Nevda, and TCU can get to a BCS game with a single close early conference loss.
If we are counting championships in sports that no one watches, lets count Utah's 10 NC in womens gymnastics. Otherwise we should stick to Football and non BCS teams that actually have won a BCS Bowl.
By all means, enjoy the hell out of your 15 mins of fame and glory...and the Disney movie that's sure to follow....but please don't turn back and take a crap on the very folks that made that commendable acheivement even matter. It's just not good form.
Perhaps some perspective is in order: college sports matter because of the big conferences, their members, and their respective followings---that's what comprises the "infrastructure" that the occasional Cinderalla gets to ride to glory. To illustrate: ESPN aired that game in prime time, because UGA was in it. Othewise, that game's on in the afternoon, on ESPN U or some such. They aired the Col. World series at all, because all those big bad blue blood conferences participated in it. Otherwise, it would've gotten about as much play as your softball c'ship.
The picture starting to come into a little better focus for you there, big dog?
...aside from that, enjoy the hell out of that c'ship. They are special, and very ellusive.
....and FWIW, I'll be sure to watch and own the movie when it comes out. Great story
GO GATORS!!
How about thanks to SEC et.al. for establishing the infrastructure that allowed your peon school to gain national recognition for winning a NC.
Congrats to Fresno State baseball team for winning the c'ship.
Your welcome, for the opportunity to market your school to the rest of the nation, compliments of the big confrences and big schools creating the interest in the first place.
GO GATORS!!
State Football team believe.....and if you haven't heard, it's in themselves.
Case in point: A fan was overheard saying "..that team (FSU Diamond Dogs)
will be home by Wednesday (June 18th)"... in other words an early exit from
the tournament. Somebody forgot to tell [them]. Bulldog pride runs deep in the
veins of our blood. You wouldn't understand if you're not a 'Dog.....it rubs off....we
pass it on to the next generation.......so you really don't have to say anything
except maybe........arf! arf!
"....You wouldn't understand if you're not a 'Dog.....it rubs off....we
pass it on to the next generation......."
"That's how we roll..."
Blah blah blah.
Congrats on the NC big dog. Now how about at least acting like you've been there before, and keeping things in a little perspective there, Cinderalla.
GO GATORS!!
YAP YAP
YAP YAP YAP YAP YAP!!!!!
What's done is done. We shall play Wisconsin on Sweeny
field in 81 days. And to all you San Diego State .....Rice......
Arizona State and Tar Heel fans I have only one thing to say,
shhhhhhhhh. GO DOGS!
What's done is done. We shall play Wisconsin on Sweeny
Field in 81 days. And for all you San Diego State....Rice....Tar
Heels and Arizona State baseball fans out there I have but
one thing to say, shhhhhhhh. GO DOGS!
Did you happen to see ESPN has their revised pre-season Top-25 out. Not only did ND make the list (at #25), but OK was ranked 3rd. In addition, between OK & TX (ranked 11th) are 2 more Big-12 teams: MO, & TTech. Not bad respect for your conference, not to mention the Big-12 South.
OH, yeah, the mushroom cloud: I thought you guys would get a kick out of it, being as I work in Nuclear Power and all...
They played the Aggies a close game last year at College Station.
The Bulldogs came back from behind, never underestimate your opponent.
GO GATORS!!
I wonder if they want to get Auburn out there to avenge that 62-0 drubbing from 1996...
You do not want to come to Fresno...although I would drive down from the SF Bay to see that game. Actually I would go to any game on the West Coast against an SEC team,,,except against USC...can't stand the Coliseum.
Maybe if they installed FieldTurf I would go to the game.
Not sure how Traveler would feel about FieldTurf ? But then a horse is a horse of course unless he's Mr.Ed or .....Traveler.
Isn't that USC's mascot's name or is it the POTUS? I get them mixed up.
I'd like to see more SEC-Pac10 matchups. I'm still kicking myself from 2002 when we played in the LA Coliseum against USC and I didn't go. I did catch them down in Auburn the following year, when we got spanked...
I'll also be headed back to Neyland in 2010 to see the Ducks play.
As for the undefeated part, while this may not be likely, I don't see it as being at all far-fetched. Personally, I see Fresno going 9-3, but that's just me.
...but I have heard some extraordinary estimates for travel expenses, usually in the $200k+ range, but that's for bowl trips, and includes 600-900 travelers.
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I for one, don't fault Fresno State at all for this decision. You have to balance between a decent home schedule and profitability. IMO, it would've been short sighted to cash in on the payday, at the expense of the home game--short sighted because you get .8 mil up front, but lose interest from your fan base, which could easily be worth more than $1 mil. A home game generally generates more than $1 mil to local economy; a big time game like Wisc'y would surely do so; plus, if FS wins, that could easily serve as a catalyst for future alumni donations, and general interest.
...and what about the intangible marketing aspect: a game v. Wisc'y in Wiscy markets Wisc'y to Wisc'y; A Fresno State game in Fresno Cali v. Wisc'y (or any big time opponent), markets Fresno State to California...
You can always schedule a sexy away game for a decent payday; getting a big time team like Wisc'y to come to your house...priceless (well, almost; certainly more than .8 mil).
My $.02.
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Uh...no...
0.8 million dollars, however, is small change in todays college football economic climate. The home field advantage difference in win odds plus the difference in marketability of the team with a win vs a loss is significantly greater than this.
Now offer a few million, and the idea may be considered.
We really do believe we have a good shot at going undefeated. That's what champions do...they believe in themselves. I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand that though. If everyone thought like you our baseball team would not be the first #4 seed ever to be playing for a National Championship. People were telling them before the regionals..."Do you really think you're going to make it Omaha?" We believe at Fresno State!
@ Rutgers: (8-5 Big East) If these teams return to normal form this game should be close.
Wisconsin: (9-4 Big 10) Fresno should be favored to lose by 10 or more points here. An upset is unlikely, but not unthinkable.
@ Toledo: (5-7 MAC) Fresno State should win this game.
@ UCLA: (6-7 PAC-10) What has UCLA done lately? Like Rutgers this game is a toss up.
Hawai'i: (12-1 WAC) Hawai'i is a one hit wonder. Fresno State should be favored.
Idaho: (1-11 WAC) Enough said.
@ Utah State: (2-10 WAC) Again.
@ Louisiana Tech: (5-7 WAC) Fresno State should be heavily favored here.
Nevada: (6-5 WAC) Nevada had a down year last year. This game could be close.
New Mexico St.: (4-9 WAC) See idaho and Utah St.
San joe St.: (5-7 WAC) See La Tech
@ Boise State: (10-3 WAC) This game, as usual, should be expected to determine the WAC championship
So dividing these games by severity of the challenge we find:
Extream upsets (20+ point underdog 1%): 0
Serious Underdog(10-20 point underdog, 15%): 1, Wisconsin
Challenge(3-10 point underdog, 35%): 2, Rutgers, UCLA
Even (3 point spread either way 50%): 3, Boise State, Nevada, Hawai'i (benifit of doubt)
Favored(3-10 point favorite 65%): 1, Toledo
Expected Wins(10-20 point favorite 85%): 2, La. Tech, San jose State
Extream upsets(21+ favorite 99%): 3, Idaho, Utah St, New Mexico St.
Fresno State should have 3-4 losses this year.
Using the estimates for the games above one can estimate the propobility of a given record. A bowl game is estimated at serious underdog if undefeated, challenge if one loss and even odds if they have more then 6 wins.
13-0 7000:1
12-1 175:1
11-2 23:1
10-3 8:1
9-4 4:1
8-5 4:1
7-6 9:1
6-7 or 5-7 140:1
4-9 2000:1
3-10 or worst 82000:1
These odds seem to underestimate Fresno State, but it is safe to say that the likelyhood of Fresno State going undefeated is on bar with the likelyhood of Fresno State losing 9 or more games.
$1.8 million just wasn't enough -- FS makes $1 million per home sellout, and the money earmarked for field turf has already been donated. Now if the promoter had offered $2-3 million, like the City of Nashville offered Wyoming in 2002 for their home game with Tennessee, that would have been a different. story.
Fresno State has just five home games this season, moving Wisconsin to Lambeau just didn't make sense this season since most Bulldog fans have been waiting 7 years for this game to transpire -- FS has only had 4 BCS schools (Ore St. twice, Oregon and Kan St.) visit Bulldog Stadium this decade. Not too mention, FS had already started selling season tickets back in January before the final details of the Lambeau deal came to fruitation.
of course the Bulldog fans know the athletic budget is in a downturn, but moving the game to Lambeau would not have fixed that for the money they were offering.
and Coach Hill was not going to screw over the fans for such
would Arizona State move their game with Georgia this year to the Georgia Dome for x-amount of $ or would USC move their game with Ohio State to Paul Brown Stadium for say $10 million??? The number would have to be right for such a move...and in FS's case the amount was too low for it to be even considered
The field turf budget argument is weak and I suspect even FSU boosters would agree with me here. If Fanblogs were going to write a check to cover the entire field turf budget right this very second, there's no chance that the Bulldogs would turn away the money on the grounds that they had already raised money for that project. Not even a chance. They would take the check, smile, and start reallocating money.
(Unfortunately, any check from Fanblogs would bounce... but I digress.)
Listen, here's the long and short of it. According to the Equity in Athletics disclosures for the most recent year, Fresno State athletic department managed a profit of
$774,594, on revenues of $25,153,897.
The school has done away with wrestling, mens soccer and womens swim teams to pare down expenses. The Mens & Womens track coaches are unpaid volunteers as of the latest E.I.A report, for crying out loud.
For the Bulldogs to turn away a $1.8 million package is terribly irresponsible, IMO.