Fanblogs.com: FSU signs home-and-home with USF, moving Miami?
Zac
· 10 months ago
Wow! Following a tune-up against the likes of Maine, the Noles are AT BYU, host S FL (not really an away game for the Bulls), and will eventually visit the Gators following a conference slate consisting of Bowl participants (well, all but one). Looks like Bowden & Fischer have returned to the "take on all comers" policy. Best of luck!!!
OOO! Amend that. Let me be the FIRST to say "Best of Luck"!!!
Kevin @ Fanblogs
· 10 months ago
That Maine game is 90% gone in favor of we don't know just yet, but likely another FBS (albeit probably a mid-major, not a BCS opponent). FSU was in talks with TCU, but as best I have heard that has fallen through and the date went to USF.
1Tomcat
· 10 months ago
Kevin- Mad props for FSU scheduling tough opponents- understand yall got home & home with Oklahoma 2010-2011- Go Seminoles
oldenglish
· 10 months ago
1Tomcat.....FSU really stepped up last year. Facing the loss of half the team for the 1st two games due to the massive cheating scandal, how did Bowden respond? By reworking the schedule and bringing in two D1-AA teams - who would wind up a collective 4-20 - to beat up on (115-7) for those first two games in Tallahassee. Bowden was only interested in staying ahead of Paterno in the all-time wins race. Now that NCAA sanctions are getting closer, Bowden will - my opinion - be gone in 2010. So what does he care that FSU will be playing Oklahoma instead of Western Carolina and Chatanooga?
Kevin @ Fanblogs
· 10 months ago
It's a very poorly kept secret that 2010 is Bowden's last season. The current deal with JF assigns him as HC in Jan 2011 or a payment of $5 million.
1Tomcat
· 10 months ago
Thanks for the info Kev
oldenglish
· 10 months ago
Actually, Kev, I believe you're incorrect. Granted, I'm no expert, but unless there's another poorly-kept secret, published information I've read says FSU would owe Fisher only $2.5 million if they don't "assign him as HC in Jan 2011". Fisher would owe FSU $5 million if he bolts for another job.
1Tomcat
· 10 months ago
Oldengish I also recall them playing Colo,Rice,FU and others
oldenglish
· 10 months ago
Bowden built that program by not ducking anybody. He's joked that his tombstone should include, "At least he played Miami every year". Prior to Miami joining the ACC, he could have dropped UM from the regular schedule as did Florida.
Every team plays one or two soft opponents every year. But I think what he did last year was an indication that he cares only about padding his wins total these days.
TampaGator
· 10 months ago
"...Prior to Miami joining the ACC, he could have dropped UM from the regular schedule as did Florida..."
Actually, no, he couldn't. It's one of the few sell-outs every year.
b/t/w: he (Bowden) also could've joined the SEC. He didn't. Are we then to infer cowardice from his declining to do so, as you would have us infer courage for keeping Miami on the schedule, when it was basically necessary?
Afterall, what's good for the goose....
GO GATORS!!
oldenglish
· 10 months ago
Of course FSU could have dropped Miami - or vice versa. They were both independents until 1991 when FSU joined the ACC and Miami joined the Big East. They continued to play even then, convinced that it was good for the state of Florida that they play every year - unlike your Florida Gators, who took their ball and slunk back to the gutter after four straight thumpings by Miami.
Actually, if you knew anything about the history, you'd know the only cowardice shown was on the part of the University of Florida, who for 30 years, blocked FSU's entry into the SEC.
From the time that the first SEC team appeared on the Seminoles' schedule in 1952, six years after the Florida State College for Women became a coeducational institution, FSU fancied itself as the new neighbor, biding its time until it was invited over. In the early 1970s, former FSU president Stanley Marshall began to push the issue, conducting a personal tour of SEC campuses in an attempt to land the Seminoles a place in the conference.
"We had tried to get in the SEC for 30 years and had been turned down all the time," Bowden said, recalling the events in the summer of '90 that ultimately led the school to forgo its independent status. "Then all of a sudden they came to us wanting to get in there."
Sensing the time was right to consider an all-sports conference affiliation, FSU President Bernie Sliger appointed an External Advisory Committee to examine the issue. The 12-member committee, dubbed "The A Team", included a host of heavy-hitting boosters, most of whom had strong feelings about joining the SEC from the outset.
"I walked in there as a committee member solely SEC," prominent booster Andy Haggard said. "I was astounded that there would be any other talk. I would say that we were two-thirds SEC because we always wanted to be in the SEC and were always blocked by Florida."
In the end, with both the SEC and ACC courting them, FSU made the decision that the much-higher academic standards of ACC schools was a better fit for them.
Thank you for the spin there chief, cause gee, I really hadn't heard any of that perspective before.
Let's put the myth to rest already, shall we? UF NEVER "blocked" FSU's admission to the SEC. To do so would have been counter-productive. That's just an old FSU myth that can't be substantiated anywhere other than dubious FSU bent sources.
Yes, FSU wanted in on the SEC for some 30 years; yes, the SEC snubbed FSU during those years; but it was NOT UF's doing. Think about it for just one second: what would it benefit UF to block FSU from joining the SEC????
We were already mandated by the legislature to play FSU annually, since 1958. So FSU was already on our schedule. If they were in our conference, we would be free to schedule ONE MORE HOME GAME every other year.
FSU as OOC game, ties up a schedule spot every year, in addition to the conference schedule requirements; it is a home-n-home, that could otherwise be substitued for an additonal home game. Get it?
Allow me to translate that into idiot for you: FSU as a conference foe would mean more MONEY for UF.
As for your suggestion that FSU could drop Miami--Bullsh*t.
Sub Miami for anyone else, and FSU loses it's one guaranteed home sell out on odd numbered years (UF being the one guaranteed sell out in even years).
Ergo Miami is NOT, nor was it EVER, a game that FSU could afford to discontinue at will.
In stark contrast, UF would sell out a game against the "little sisters of the poor." (You know that's true).
Bottom line: if you're so naive as to think that these decisions are based on what may or may not transpire on the gridiron, vs. the effect on the bottom line.....well then...please contact me, as I have a bridge in Brooklyn that I'd like sell you...
One final point: ACC a better fit academically for FSU than the SEC??? That might be insulting to the ACC, if the mere concept of chosing an ATHLETIC conference for academic reasons wasn't so hysterical on its face!
UF is a member of the AAU for academic purposes; and a member of the SEC for ATHLETIC purposes.
See how that works?
Oh, and yes, FSU wants desperately to be a member of the AAU--but they can't make it in, all by themselves.
Among FSU cicles, I'm sure, there are rumblings about how UF has blocked FSU's admission to that, too.....
GO GATORS!!
oldenglish
· 10 months ago
Psst....gutter...you bore me. You're a typical shltforbrains gutter, who wouldn't recognize the truth if you saw it, nor would you admit it if you recognized it. It's all a matter of record - you blocked FSU and you ran and hid from UM. Learn to live with the truth.
TampaGator
· 10 months ago
"...shltforbrains gutter..."?
Now you're showing your true colors. It was the "AAU" thing, wasn't it? I know...it's a sore spot for y'all...
Check the rec yourself. UF sponsored FSU's early applications to the SEC.
GO GATORS
oldenglish
· 10 months ago
"AAU thing"? I have no idea what you're talking about. I'm not an FSU fan and am not up to speed on all the vignettes that define the FSU-gutter rivalry. But I do know that - in my experience - gutter fans are much more obnoxious than FSU fans. In fact, gutter fans are more obnoxious than most fans I've met anywhere.
Since I have no affiliation with the University of Florida, I also know how to read, and the research I've done substantiates that the gutters blocked FSU's entrance into the SEC for many years. When the gutters are afraid of losing, they do what they can to keep the other team off the field, just as when the gutters dropped UM after losing four straight to the Hurricanes.
Of course, as a gutter, you'll have a different perspective. That's to be expected. There is the historically accurate version, then there is the version of those who were educated in Gainesville and still use the word "y'all".
TampaGator
· 10 months ago
I thought I bored you?
So, you call UF Fan "gutter"--how very creative---and you call UF out for alleged "cowardice"--all the while, cowardly concealing your own fan loyalty. Not terribly convincing, if not down right self-discrediting on CFB blog....
While we're on the topic, your use of the term "gutter"--is ridiculously childish, and as self-discrediting as your failure to disclose your allegiance.
As for my use of "y'all"--it's a colliquialism; perfectly appropriate for a CFB blog--or any BLOG for that matter.
In other words....you're talking this stuff WAY TOO SERIOUSLY.
b/t/w: did your "research" happen to enlighten your brilliance on what else happened--just by coinicidence, of course--when UF discontinued the rivalry with Miami?
Probably not...since your "research" skills failed to even enlighten you as to what the AAU is.
By all means, please contine speweing your vitriol aginst my alma mater--that extrinsic disdain born of evny, helps forge the bonds of Gator Nation, ever stronger.
GO GATORS!!
oldenglish
· 10 months ago
SFB....You need to start paying attention boy.
"cowardly concealing your own fan loyalty. "
No, SFB, as a matter of fact, I mentioned in a post maybe 4 or 5 days ago who the two teams are that I root for. Let's test your research skills if you really want to know. Just because I'm not so insecure about my manhood that I have to use the name of my college mascot in my handle, doesn't mean I'm "failing to disclose my allegiance".
TampaGator
· 10 months ago
"...SFB?"
Your posts keep getting funnier as we go!
Again, you take this stuff WAY TOO SERIOUSLY--and you take YOURSELF way too seriously.
So I took you up on your little invitation, and read some of the lamest, tired ol' crap I've ever read on here.
You think you're really important don't you? You think that what you post on here, will some how make a difference, somewhere, right?
Ah...and your take on Bush--how original! You should contact a publisher---they'd surely pounce on the richly original material!!! Hurry...go get it copy righted, ASAP!!!!!
LMFAO!!!!
FYI: niether Miami, nor WVU are members of the AAU....
...SFB.
GO GATORS!!
OU_Ron
· 10 months ago
TG, he could have said SFBG, wouldn't have taken up near as much typing space ;-)
TampaGator
· 10 months ago
Perhaps, but it wouldn't have had the same zing, and it appears to me, the ol' chap may've needed to vent some.
Hey, we may not quite reach the pervasiveness of animosity that AU-Bama or OU-Texas have towards one another, but there definitely ain't no love lost 'tween Gators and 'noles.
GO GATORS!!
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 2 months ago
TG: Go read the bottom comment on this older thread...
OU_Ron
· 10 months ago
The 1981 Orange bowl between Fla St and OU was televised today, I got to watch thru the first 2 min in the 4th qtr before I had to leave....looked like a great game...
Kevin @ Fanblogs
· 10 months ago
I've seen the finish, Ron. You didn't miss much, although you might beg to differ. ;-)
OU_Ron
· 10 months ago
Wow, I just looked up the final score, a running team used the pass to win the game......I may have to order the video.......sure would be nice to have some of that Sooner Magic back...
Kevin @ Fanblogs
· 10 months ago
When it comes to OOC schedules, Oklahoma is laying the wood to everyone. Their future schedules include Miami, FSU, TCU, Notre Dame, and Tennessee. Ours isn't TOO TOO shabby - Oklahoma, West Virigina, BYU, Florida, Air Force, South Florida.
NMLSooner
· 10 months ago
Add BYU to Oklahoma's schedule for next year also. I guess that's a big game. Anyway, if it goes on one it should go on the other.
OU_Ron
· 10 months ago
I think Kevin meant BYU, not TCU...
Wardboy3
· 10 months ago
Interesting...I had heard that Leavitt had contacted Urban about a home & home..I don't remember if it was this past fall or fall of 2007, but I guess we can see who stepped up to, as Kevin said, a no win game for Fla St.
Ben Prather
· 10 months ago
What I really want to know is will FSU be ready for the MWC ambush set in Provo?
chucklesII
· 2 months ago
Gotta call out Tampa Gator ... there is no legislation requiring UF to Play FSU, it was threatened in the 60s, when FSU finally started to pose a threat and UF threatened to drop FSU.
It was threatened again in the 90s when Spurrier told Foley (AD) to look into dropping FSU, because (like Miami) they were interfering with his world-domination plans.
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 2 months ago
I think Tampa Gator will be along soon to differ with the second paragraph...
Should be worth reading...
gatorhippy
· 2 months ago
He's right, WEAtl...
The legislation was proposed but put down when it came time to vote on it...
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 2 months ago
The second part is? Even so, that's totally irrelevant toTampa Gator's expectant reply...
gatorhippy
· 2 months ago
Well, I don't know about the Visor wanting to drop them...
That would be news to me...
If it is true, it more than likely was a typical passing dig from the Ol' Ball Coach born from the frustration of Booby getting the better of him for a stretch...
Which was made possible by the early Ninties probate that Spur-Dawg got slapped with as a leftover from Hall giving a kid some cash to keep up on child support...
All Comments
OOO! Amend that. Let me be the FIRST to say "Best of Luck"!!!
Every team plays one or two soft opponents every year. But I think what he did last year was an indication that he cares only about padding his wins total these days.
Actually, no, he couldn't. It's one of the few sell-outs every year.
b/t/w: he (Bowden) also could've joined the SEC. He didn't. Are we then to infer cowardice from his declining to do so, as you would have us infer courage for keeping Miami on the schedule, when it was basically necessary?
Afterall, what's good for the goose....
GO GATORS!!
Actually, if you knew anything about the history, you'd know the only cowardice shown was on the part of the University of Florida, who for 30 years, blocked FSU's entry into the SEC.
From the time that the first SEC team appeared on the Seminoles' schedule in 1952, six years after the Florida State College for Women became a coeducational institution, FSU fancied itself as the new neighbor, biding its time until it was invited over. In the early 1970s, former FSU president Stanley Marshall began to push the issue, conducting a personal tour of SEC campuses in an attempt to land the Seminoles a place in the conference.
"We had tried to get in the SEC for 30 years and had been turned down all the time," Bowden said, recalling the events in the summer of '90 that ultimately led the school to forgo its independent status. "Then all of a sudden they came to us wanting to get in there."
Sensing the time was right to consider an all-sports conference affiliation, FSU President Bernie Sliger appointed an External Advisory Committee to examine the issue. The 12-member committee, dubbed "The A Team", included a host of heavy-hitting boosters, most of whom had strong feelings about joining the SEC from the outset.
"I walked in there as a committee member solely SEC," prominent booster Andy Haggard said. "I was astounded that there would be any other talk. I would say that we were two-thirds SEC because we always wanted to be in the SEC and were always blocked by Florida."
In the end, with both the SEC and ACC courting them, FSU made the decision that the much-higher academic standards of ACC schools was a better fit for them.
http://www.nolefan.org/summary/fsu_acc.html
Thank you for the spin there chief, cause gee, I really hadn't heard any of that perspective before.
Let's put the myth to rest already, shall we? UF NEVER "blocked" FSU's admission to the SEC. To do so would have been counter-productive. That's just an old FSU myth that can't be substantiated anywhere other than dubious FSU bent sources.
Yes, FSU wanted in on the SEC for some 30 years; yes, the SEC snubbed FSU during those years; but it was NOT UF's doing. Think about it for just one second: what would it benefit UF to block FSU from joining the SEC????
We were already mandated by the legislature to play FSU annually, since 1958. So FSU was already on our schedule. If they were in our conference, we would be free to schedule ONE MORE HOME GAME every other year.
FSU as OOC game, ties up a schedule spot every year, in addition to the conference schedule requirements; it is a home-n-home, that could otherwise be substitued for an additonal home game. Get it?
Allow me to translate that into idiot for you: FSU as a conference foe would mean more MONEY for UF.
As for your suggestion that FSU could drop Miami--Bullsh*t.
Sub Miami for anyone else, and FSU loses it's one guaranteed home sell out on odd numbered years (UF being the one guaranteed sell out in even years).
Ergo Miami is NOT, nor was it EVER, a game that FSU could afford to discontinue at will.
In stark contrast, UF would sell out a game against the "little sisters of the poor." (You know that's true).
Bottom line: if you're so naive as to think that these decisions are based on what may or may not transpire on the gridiron, vs. the effect on the bottom line.....well then...please contact me, as I have a bridge in Brooklyn that I'd like sell you...
One final point: ACC a better fit academically for FSU than the SEC??? That might be insulting to the ACC, if the mere concept of chosing an ATHLETIC conference for academic reasons wasn't so hysterical on its face!
UF is a member of the AAU for academic purposes; and a member of the SEC for ATHLETIC purposes.
See how that works?
Oh, and yes, FSU wants desperately to be a member of the AAU--but they can't make it in, all by themselves.
Among FSU cicles, I'm sure, there are rumblings about how UF has blocked FSU's admission to that, too.....
GO GATORS!!
Now you're showing your true colors. It was the "AAU" thing, wasn't it? I know...it's a sore spot for y'all...
Check the rec yourself. UF sponsored FSU's early applications to the SEC.
GO GATORS
Since I have no affiliation with the University of Florida, I also know how to read, and the research I've done substantiates that the gutters blocked FSU's entrance into the SEC for many years. When the gutters are afraid of losing, they do what they can to keep the other team off the field, just as when the gutters dropped UM after losing four straight to the Hurricanes.
Of course, as a gutter, you'll have a different perspective. That's to be expected. There is the historically accurate version, then there is the version of those who were educated in Gainesville and still use the word "y'all".
So, you call UF Fan "gutter"--how very creative---and you call UF out for alleged "cowardice"--all the while, cowardly concealing your own fan loyalty. Not terribly convincing, if not down right self-discrediting on CFB blog....
While we're on the topic, your use of the term "gutter"--is ridiculously childish, and as self-discrediting as
your failure to disclose your allegiance.
As for my use of "y'all"--it's a colliquialism; perfectly appropriate for a CFB blog--or any BLOG for that matter.
In other words....you're talking this stuff WAY TOO SERIOUSLY.
b/t/w: did your "research" happen to enlighten your brilliance on what else happened--just by coinicidence, of course--when UF discontinued the rivalry with Miami?
Probably not...since your "research" skills failed to even enlighten you as to what the AAU is.
By all means, please contine speweing your vitriol aginst my alma mater--that extrinsic disdain born of evny, helps forge the bonds of Gator Nation, ever stronger.
GO GATORS!!
"cowardly concealing your own fan loyalty. "
No, SFB, as a matter of fact, I mentioned in a post maybe 4 or 5 days ago who the two teams are that I root for. Let's test your research skills if you really want to know. Just because I'm not so insecure about my manhood that I have to use the name of my college mascot in my handle, doesn't mean I'm "failing to disclose my allegiance".
Your posts keep getting funnier as we go!
Again, you take this stuff WAY TOO SERIOUSLY--and you take YOURSELF way too seriously.
So I took you up on your little invitation, and read some of the lamest, tired ol' crap I've ever read on here.
You think you're really important don't you? You think that what you post on here, will some how make a difference, somewhere, right?
Ah...and your take on Bush--how original! You should contact a publisher---they'd surely pounce on the richly original material!!! Hurry...go get it copy righted, ASAP!!!!!
LMFAO!!!!
FYI: niether Miami, nor WVU are members of the AAU....
...SFB.
GO GATORS!!
Hey, we may not quite reach the pervasiveness of animosity that AU-Bama or OU-Texas have towards one another, but there definitely ain't no love lost 'tween Gators and 'noles.
GO GATORS!!
It was threatened again in the 90s when Spurrier told Foley (AD) to look into dropping FSU, because (like Miami) they were interfering with his world-domination plans.
Should be worth reading...
The legislation was proposed but put down when it came time to vote on it...
That would be news to me...
If it is true, it more than likely was a typical passing dig from the Ol' Ball Coach born from the frustration of Booby getting the better of him for a stretch...
Which was made possible by the early Ninties probate that Spur-Dawg got slapped with as a leftover from Hall giving a kid some cash to keep up on child support...