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Re: Hold it - NCAA changes facemasking rules for 2008

SCARLET & GREY — Fri, 01 Aug 2008 13:40:50 -0000

Basically I agree with BLEED CRIMSON the players....& ( you wouldnt understand this unless you've played FOOTBALL .) will take advantage of this rule. When i played ,if my fingers happened to slip thru the face mask..I'd immediately jerk them out causing no hindrance but still hoping a ref didn't catch it. after all accidents will happen. No harm no foul. BUT IF YOU CLENCH your fingers once they've entered the facemask cage...THATS INTENT & based on the severity ...5 or 15. Back to a judgement call by the ref ....& after all thats what they do
p.s. BLEED CRIMSON ? Billy Hack?

Re: Hold it - NCAA changes facemasking rules for 2008

JB — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:35:11 -0000

no it isnt, there are penalties....the old way the refs had to make the judgement of whether or not it was incidental

Re: Hold it - NCAA changes facemasking rules for 2008

RazzMaTazz — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:50:54 -0000

If I were a coach I'd make all of my players wear wrap-around face masks... and not just the kind that wraps around the entire face, but ones that wraps around the entire body like bell-shaped cage. If anybody tried to tackle one of my players, bing, 15 yard penalty!

Re: Hold it - NCAA changes facemasking rules for 2008

Tom_Blogical — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:40:23 -0000

I agree with the rule change. I don't have any problem with someone grabbing a facemask without pulling, twisting, or turning it, because no injury can occur here.

I believe the helmet-to-helmet foul should be completely junked. If it's obvious someone is using their helmet for a weapon, the team committing the foul needs to be penalized 15 yards, automatic first down for the opposing team, and the player in question automatically kicked off the field. There is nothing a player can do about their helmet accidentally hitting the helmet of the player they're tackling. Why penalize them for it? (That's a rhetorical question--I'm not asking someone to try and convince me otherwise).

The cut block (one-on-one, not the dirty two-on-one high/low crap) is a good block if you execute it properly. The block is supposed to be used above the knees. That's how I was taught to use it, anyway--and it was burned into my brain to keep it there or it was a cheap shot--I had a great coach. Anyone using it at knee level or lower should be penalized. Yeah, I know. That leaves a lot open to interpretation, but I think this would be a very obvious one to call.

Re: Hold it - NCAA changes facemasking rules for 2008

Tigers318 — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:22:26 -0000

Almost every call a ref makes is a judgement call.

Re: Hold it - NCAA changes facemasking rules for 2008

Carkenfarker — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 08:57:26 -0000

Good call by the NCAA. Now, about that stupid "blocking in the back rule".

Re: Hold it - NCAA changes facemasking rules for 2008

JB — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:04:20 -0000

It effectivly ruined his season...statistically at least

Re: Hold it - NCAA changes facemasking rules for 2008

JB — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:02:44 -0000

That is the reason for the rule change. to take out the judgement csll on part of the refs

Re: Hold it - NCAA changes facemasking rules for 2008

jd — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 23:29:15 -0000

I will admit that I am shocked there are not more injuries facemasking. Hence overreaction on incidental has been the case

Re: Hold it - NCAA changes facemasking rules for 2008

Regan — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:16:50 -0000

My absolute favorite penalty is the 'Flagrant Violation of the Halo'.

I don't even know what they've PC'ed it down to now as terms go, but absolutely nothing is as awesome to watch...so long as the guy can walk afterwards... >:-)

Re: Hold it - NCAA changes facemasking rules for 2008

Regan — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:14:51 -0000

Excellent point, Bleed Crimson.

Essentially, the refs had 3 options: Not Call, Call (incidental - 5 yds), and Call (flagrant-15 yds).

Now they have only two - Not Call, or Call (flagrant-15 yds).

I understand the idea and am willing to give it a shot for a year to see how it works out. We'll need to watch, however, to see if you're right and it narrows the game unfairly...

Re: Hold it - NCAA changes facemasking rules for 2008

Tigers318 — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:52:02 -0000

If you grap it hard enough it is going to twist or you would pull it.

Re: Hold it - NCAA changes facemasking rules for 2008

gatorhippy — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:34:50 -0000

Reread the first sentence of the rule amendment...

"There is no longer a foul if any player grabs an opponentâ€™s face mask without pulling, twisting, or turning it.

That in itsef says it all...

A hand grabbing the mask is not a foul...

So apparently you don't agree with it and didn't even know it...

;-]

Re: Hold it - NCAA changes facemasking rules for 2008

Tigers318 — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:28:27 -0000

I understand completely, it all lies on the ref's judgement.

Re: Hold it - NCAA changes facemasking rules for 2008

Tigers318 — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:26:26 -0000

I do not "okay " it. I just think the hand in the face of the qb unless he graps, twists, or pulls should not be called.

Re: Hold it - NCAA changes facemasking rules for 2008

Tigers318 — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:24:28 -0000

well once again we will have to see how the ref's interpret it, which will be very interesting to see. It has been fun, so agree to disargree

Re: Hold it - NCAA changes facemasking rules for 2008

gatorhippy — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:20:24 -0000

All in all...

I feel the 5 yard option still has it's place and the wording of the amended rule leaves alittle to be desired...

I just don't think you can "okay" the grabbing of a face mask...

Re: Hold it - NCAA changes facemasking rules for 2008

"BC" — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:19:29 -0000

I for one, think that this rule change is a bad one.
why?
Before, the referees handed out the 5 yarder unless it was blatantly obvious that the guy was brought to the ground by the facemask.
Nowww, every single time a player's facemask is touched, they will huddle up and there's a 50% chance your team will be slapped with a 15 yarder.
Basically what i'm saying is this - this year, many of the calls that would've been 5 yards last year, will now be 15 yards.
especially if you're a visiting team in the SEC, the home field advantage will get the visiting team the 15-yarder every time over a no call. where last year it would've been just 5 yards.

do yall get my drift?
its kinda hard to put what im saying in words.

Re: Hold it - NCAA changes facemasking rules for 2008

gatorhippy — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:17:40 -0000

And even as you pointed out...

A DL being shoved to to the outside of a QB still attempts to get a hand in just block the passer's view and can easily result in inadvertant contact and gripping of the mask which when continually pushed by the blocker can result in "pulling, twisting or turning" of said QB's head...

Re: Hold it - NCAA changes facemasking rules for 2008

gatorhippy — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:14:51 -0000

Mmm, not necessarily...

You see O lineman receive facemask penalties as well as other blockers receive them when a hand inadvertantly jams up into the facemask...

Re: Hold it - NCAA changes facemasking rules for 2008

Tigers318 — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:12:37 -0000

Well gator,

the goal of the guy grapping the face mask is to get the tackle.

In desperation he might grap the mask, then he should get called for a 15.
But if he does the thing with the qb from earlier the i do not think he should get called at all.

Re: Hold it - NCAA changes facemasking rules for 2008

gatorhippy — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:55:29 -0000

Tackling has nothing to do with it, Tiger...

The way it's worded you can grab a facemask essentially as long as the head doesn't move...

If it does you recieve a 15 yard penalty regardless of intent or outcome...

Re: Hold it - NCAA changes facemasking rules for 2008

Tigers318 — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:43:11 -0000

If a guy graps your face mask and it helps him get the tackle then it should be a 15 yarder

Re: Hold it - NCAA changes facemasking rules for 2008

gatorhippy — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:39:46 -0000

And the correct call would be a 15 yard penalty for facemasking...

Regardless of intent...

Re: Hold it - NCAA changes facemasking rules for 2008

gatorhippy — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:34:06 -0000

I know exactly where you're coming from...