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Re: How to change the BCS

GeauxTigers0107 — Sun, 10 May 2009 12:04:09 -0000

LOL....a Pip? I've been called worse by better.

Seems like I saw a competition on Food Network that was along those lines though. Something about "Best tailgating food". I think the fans of the Green Bay Packers won it. I'd like to see one with just the universities involved. We'd win it plates down!

Ok, so I'm a bit biased...lol. And I'd go under that same bus with you, as long as cold drinks are permitted ; )

Geaux Tigers
Geaux SEC

Re: How to change the BCS

1Tomcat — Sat, 09 May 2009 20:24:32 -0000

Agreed under the new Regan plan- did I say that
Utah vs Bois st = undisputed National Champ
since both teams won all their games
BTW B-12 coaches agreed to keep tie-breaker rules
the reasoning being that the conference would have a better chance of a team getting in the MNC game based upon BCS rankings-which is the way the system works now- lets say a 4 loss team wins the CCG game and knocks off a higher ranked 1 loss team- the 4 loss team goes to a BCS game, but not the MNC game
I will guarentee you one thing for sure, that is if OU beats Texas no way in H-ll will Texas appear in the MNC game, but OU can lose to Texas and still appear in the MNC game- thats the way it works
Hookem-Horns

Re: How to change the BCS

CouchQB — Sat, 09 May 2009 19:29:17 -0000

Agree with you completely kdub. We shouldn't be content to accept the way things are in the BCS when it's painfully obvious to all that there are flaws. "Manning up" because "that's the way things are" is NOT good enough.

Re: How to change the BCS

ksuwild — Sat, 09 May 2009 19:19:37 -0000

Second that.

Re: How to change the BCS

ksuwild — Sat, 09 May 2009 19:19:15 -0000

And Nebraska didn't lose a game in 2001???

We all know OU got dismantled (35 unanswered points in case anyone forgot) in the Big XII Championship in 2003.

So explain to me why it's ok for those teams to make it and not Oregon 01' or USC 03'.

Sorry I just like hearing you justify things that don't make sense.

Winds of fate because that's the way it is if I remember right, but please refresh me.

Re: How to change the BCS

loogy — Sat, 09 May 2009 15:35:24 -0000

Disagree.

Re: How to change the BCS

loogy — Sat, 09 May 2009 15:34:53 -0000

That makes no sense, considering the teams that BENEFITED lost games too.

Oklahoma LOST THE LAST GAME OF THE SEASON in 2003, whereas USC lost a game in triple OT. Each team lost a game, Oklahoma losing late in the season but still got to play for it all. USC got hosed.

Nebraska also lost their last game of the season in 2001 to Colorado (a team that Oregon ended up dominating in their bowl game). I just don't understand how you can be defending the BCS's obviously flawed system as opposed to calling for changes to make things more equitable.

I mean, we all want to know which team is REALLY the best in the nation, right?

Re: How to change the BCS

Ben Prather — Sat, 09 May 2009 14:02:22 -0000

Did they attempt to get any sponsors to put their name on the event and become "An Official Sponsor of a new Championship System"? Such a sponsor would be able to advertise on TV during games...

Then the turnout might not be so negligible.

Re: How to change the BCS

ksuwild — Sat, 09 May 2009 13:49:13 -0000

Now that was well said.

Re: How to change the BCS

ksuwild — Sat, 09 May 2009 12:42:23 -0000

When you make comments to people like

"Read it. It will help you get a grasp on the issues at hand."

it comes off very condescending and implies that I don't have a "grasp" on what what I'm talking about. Or your whole "zinger" post... ending with "ad nauseum" is another perfect example.

You know Regan, It seems to me like you want to be able to take your shots at people and get nothing in response.

It's all good buddie. I blog tongue and cheek and I'm not going to lose sleep over anything said on this site.

I enjoy our debates... and I know you stopped supporting the BCS in 2004, I have never argued that you didn't. But for future reference, if you want to take shots you can expect them to come right back from ksuwild.

Re: How to change the BCS

Ben Prather — Sat, 09 May 2009 12:24:53 -0000

Your point that the BCS puts a system in place to measure who #1 and #2 are and put them in a bowl game is valid but for this point...

"It is just as easy for advocates to argue that the BCS has worked EVERY year in that it has accomplished its mission - to pair what is the consensus #1 team by a uniform standard under which all teams operate against the consensus #2 team by a uniform standard under which all teams operate."

This is only valid if a consensus #1 and #2 exist. This only happened in 2002 and 2005. You need to eliminate the two uses of the word consensus to make that argument work.

What is consensus? It is reaching an agreement as to which teams truly are better. This agreement has proven to be intractable more often than not. The BCS has failed to generate consensus.

The current BCS formula can actually be used to measure consensus, if it is treated as a sample of some population of opinions and consensus is defined to be the probability that a random opinion in that population agrees with the conclusion.

This measure is strongly related to the size of the gap between the teams in question. It is also related to the uncertainty measure of the teams in question.

The gaps nearly follow a Poisson distribution and the uncertainty measure is found to increase as the square root of the ranking value. The result is that the consensus is mathematically stronger near the largest gaps in at the top of the standings. This strongly resonates with intuition and strongly supports the claim that 2-8 teams is the ideal size.

Often undefeated teams do not meet this criterion. They should be afforded an opportunity to play in enough games to prove their merit.

For a top 4 undefeated team a win over #1 is enough. For a top 10 undefeated team wins over #1 and #2 or #3 would likely do the trick. For a team lower than #10 three wins over top 5 teams would convince anyone.

As for the seeding, the BCS standings are sufficient once the true consensus teams are found.

2008: Oklahoma, Florida, Texas; Utah, Boise State

Utah hosts Boise State in a play-in game to face Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl
Florida plays Texas in a neutral site Wildcard game.

The winners of the Fiesta Bowl and Wildcard Game meet in the National Championship Game.

See? Not to bad eh?

Re: How to change the BCS

Zac — Sat, 09 May 2009 12:18:37 -0000

You're a pip; ya know dat?

Actually, I do like your food idea. Tailgating has become such an institution, we gotsta find a way to judge the best. In fact, as inconvenient as it would be, I'll throw myself under the bus and volunteer to be a taste tester.

Re: How to change the BCS

Zac — Sat, 09 May 2009 12:14:28 -0000

Interesting points all: I would think conferences would be judged as "Premier", "Automatic-Qualifiers", or "At Large" after the regular season. A couple seasons back there, the Big 10 was hardly premier. The same was said in recent years about the Big 12, the Pac 10, and yes - even the SEC. While there are certainly (for the most part) consistently better conferences than others, all too often a particular conference rises to the forefront, just as a specific team does. I think that's justification for reward, IMHO.

Re: How to change the BCS

Kevin @ Fanblogs — Sat, 09 May 2009 09:21:11 -0000

Well said.

Re: How to change the BCS

Kevin @ Fanblogs — Sat, 09 May 2009 09:20:13 -0000

Last year's BCS protest, organized by Deadpsin, had 134 people show up. I'm not sure if anyone read about it or not, because... dude... 134 people showed up.

Re: How to change the BCS

Kevin @ Fanblogs — Sat, 09 May 2009 07:39:27 -0000

Kudos to the committee chairman for calling a "hearing" and then leaving in the middle. Yeah... this congressional thing is *really* going to work. Puh-leez.

Re: How to change the BCS

Kevin @ Fanblogs — Sat, 09 May 2009 07:38:09 -0000

No system is 100% fair, 100% of the time. Hell, playoffs aren't fair because it doesn't matter when you lose during the regular season, but one loss in the playoffs is infinitely more severe.

It is just as easy for advocates to argue that the BCS has worked EVERY year in that it has accomplished its mission - to pair what is the consensus #1 team by a uniform standard under which all teams operate against the consensus #2 team by a uniform standard under which all teams operate.

To argue fairness is a subjective argument. Fair to one can be unfair to another. The BCS is an empirical system that measures every team under the same uniform calculations. The only way the BCS could be unfair IMO is if the system changed within the course of the season and that has never happened.

There's a lot of suggestion within yet another BCS thread (gotta patent YABCST©) that playoffs are the answer.

One of the ((giggle)) moments I always have is when the playoff talk turns to seedings. What system would be used to seed the MWC champ? Could that ever be "fair"? At some point, folks, you have to statistically or theoretically measure the teams and conferences. Can't wait for that great debate to begin.

Quite simply, the BCS does its job. It's puts a system in place to measure a #1 against a #2.

Re: How to change the BCS

Regan — Sat, 09 May 2009 03:49:41 -0000

Yup. The 'Canes were the odd team out. They manned up and beat Spurrier's FLA team.

Did they deserve whining rights? Maybe - but they LOST to WASH. Had they won, they would have been there.

And this was one of MY teams. Way it is... :)

Re: How to change the BCS

Regan — Sat, 09 May 2009 03:48:03 -0000

Yeah, Ben, I could back those classifications.

I'd just point out that with the undefeated teams that there was nothing more they could have done to get a berth in the NC game, unlike the other teams.

[Sarcasm] LOL...besides, don't you need to put 2007 Hawaii in there too? I mean how many games did LSU need to lose before an undefeated WAC champ gets a chance to play for the MNC? :)

Re: How to change the BCS

Regan — Sat, 09 May 2009 03:44:35 -0000

ksuwild, we get into fun debates year in-and-out and it's all good.

Please don't resort to personal attacks and whining about my views; respectful debate is fun. Sorry if you took my 'zinger' comment out of context; I have stated a bazillion times that the BCS needs to be changed, but you never seem to acknowledge that...

Having said that, the reason I recommend Mandel's book is that Chapter 1 goes into the way things are the way they are, the powers that be, and the agendas they have. If it makes you feel better, Mandel did say that he thought a version of a Playoff was inevitable.

The point of my suggestion is simply this: if you're going to debate the issue, you need to know the facts.

I want the BCS to be changed; I have since 2004. I have been looking forward to someone coming up with a way to make things more fair while keeping CFB the exciting way it is. That person could be you for all I know or care. But that's never going to happen if you're going to be closed-minded about where I'm coming from.

Re: How to change the BCS

Regan — Sat, 09 May 2009 03:35:57 -0000

UTAH 08 and AUB 04 were undefeated. Everyone else could have won all their games, but they didn't. Whose fault was that?

Re: How to change the BCS

Regan — Sat, 09 May 2009 03:35:12 -0000

They each lost a game. Man up; this is CFB...you lose a game, you throw your destiny to the winds of fate. Lose two and (barring exceptional circumstance) you're done.

That's the way it has been since long before any of us were born.

Why it should change now is a testament to the modern ability to whine.

Re: How to change the BCS

1Tomcat — Sat, 09 May 2009 00:33:46 -0000

Thanks Ben I know they had a hell of a team that year and whuped the H-ll outa Texas
BTW I picked up some scratch on that OU team-after they beat UT- I figured they would go all the way-bet OU against the feild

Re: How to change the BCS

Ben Prather — Fri, 08 May 2009 23:58:20 -0000

2000 was a class 2 screwing, some could argue that OU should have beaten Miami instead of FSU.

#3 Miami (FL) was close to #2 FSU and had beat FSU earlier that year.

As we all know, the BCS favors the losing team in a close call if they played head to head earlier in the year.

This does make some sense mathematically, but will never appeal to the masses.

Re: How to change the BCS

1Tomcat — Fri, 08 May 2009 23:24:09 -0000

You mean like the 1964 Bama team who lost to Texas who's only loss was to an undefeated Arkansas- look from the begining there as been debate over the NC and only a few years was there an undisputed champ- now with BCS I think they got it right 2 outa 12 or 6% of the time and 94% of the time they were wrong or others weren't given the opportunity-even undefeated teams Regan- man up how many games did LSU lose in 07 ? it was like a dang cake walk at the fair on who would play in the big one-jeese Florida beat OU in 08 by 10 points- so what so did Texas by 10 points
in 08 Utah beat Org st the team that beat USC
Utah beat TCU- close one OU beat TCU close
Utah beat Bama in other years they didnt play anybody in 08 they danged sure did- they beat some top ten teams- didn't get a shot
USC had a heck of a team and beat a OSU & Penn St
No one will ever know could Utah beat Texas ? or could Texas beat Florida?
head to head on the feild, not selected by computers,polls and media propaganda