Dont take the job Sark! Its a dead end and you have an opportunity to go to a better program like Auburn.
gatorhippy
· 1 year ago
Hmmmm...
Leach to Auburn then?
PrinceMarko
· 1 year ago
Leach and his offense are a gimmick that won't fly in the SEC where they actually play defense.
gatorhippy
· 1 year ago
I agree...
But it won't stop the Plainsmen from hiring him with a truckload of cash...
OU_Ron
· 1 year ago
But what if Leach had a SEC defense ???
gatorhippy
· 1 year ago
What if ants had machine guns?
OU_Ron
· 1 year ago
That would be scary, same thing if Leach had a defense.....
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
I'd sure hate to be the one to load those tiny clips...
Tom_Blogical
· 1 year ago
Didn't you know what their antennae really are?
TigerEducated
· 1 year ago
Leach's offense ain't no gimmick...
He's FINALLY recruiting folks other than QB's & small, white-guy WR's...and you see what its capable of...
IF he could put a defense with it...and a decent coordinator would be able to at AU...
I'd be VERY scared...
Just my $0.02...
Tom_Blogical
· 12 months ago
Agreed.
NMLSooner
· 1 year ago
I believe they said the same thing about Urban Meyer's offense.
The_Observer
· 1 year ago
Don't underestimate Tebow's influence on the effectiveness of Meyer's offense. How great would they be without the ULTIMATE spread QB?
NMLSooner
· 1 year ago
True, and we will see in the near future. But also remember he was a role player on the NC team.
The_Observer
· 1 year ago
He absolutly was!
TampaGator
· 1 year ago
Actually, I don't believe TT is the ultimate spread option QB. The ultimate spread O QB would be more mobile than Tebow, perhaps even more accurate. Tebow is however, the ultimate/quintessential leader; the toughest QB I've ever seen, and perhaps the most versatile (if not, one of the most)...
Lot's of superlatives. What he is not, IMO, is a "system" quarterback--which is what seems to be implied, even if inadvertantly, by saying he's the "ultimate spread qb". He'd be deadly in most any system.
That a big, not terribly ellusive guy can also be so damn effective in the spread--illustrates his versatility, IMO--not that the system was conformed ro designed to accomodate him.
Just my opinion.
GO GATORS!!
Wardboy3
· 1 year ago
Who do you think would be the ultimate spread option QB if not TT? IMO I really like Charlie Ward.
TampaGator
· 1 year ago
I still have nightmares about that sob....
We'd have 5-6 guys in the backfield--running into each other like keystone cops, while CW ran roughshod in the backfield--repeating the same scenario in the backfield (our LB's/Db's running into each other like...).
So yeah--that would be one helluva candidate for that distinction, IMO. He was also a very accurate passer.
Michael Vick and Vince Young also come to mind----perhaps Steve Young, John Elway, that Crouch kid (H-man) from Nebraska, as well.
....not that any of them (other than crouch) played in spread o's, but in terms of prototype, that's what I'd look for.
GO GATORS!!
TigerEducated
· 1 year ago
Charlie Ward did not run a Spread Option Offense...
Spread Offenses can come in many different forms...
One one extreme, you've got Leach's Spread, which is going to maybe get 10 rushes out of the tailback the entire game, and its going to be almost completely dedicated to throwing the ball.
You've got Mizzou, who runs a more "multiple" Spread, which is actually pretty balanced...
Then, you've got teams like Florida & West Virginia, who are looking for their quarterbacks to be their 2nd leading rusher, in a perfect world, with the ground game predicating their passing offense. You should see a 2:1 run/pass yardage ratio as for the breakdown on your total offensive stats on the boxscore in those variations...
The Spread can be used to run...or pass...or a mixture of both...Its designed not to favor one or the other, but to create better spacing to accomplish your offensive philosophy...Its hallmarks are the spacing between the offensive line...It forces the defense to go wider, creating more open space, and more opportunities for whatever you want to do, offensively. It puts a premium on speed while you're on offense-as opposed to size in a lot of team's cases.
On defense, its going to require you to excel at playing space, and also at making you play sound responsibility football...
TampaGator
· 1 year ago
I hear ya', but in terms of prototypes for the s/o system, I think CW would be a solid good candidate.
...that's Chalie Ward, not Weis...
But now that I think about it, Charlie Weis would probably be pretty good too, don't you think?
LMAO!!
...sorry...just a'crack'n myself up over here...
GO GATORS!!
Tom_Blogical
· 12 months ago
Weis-burglar for Heisman!
The_Observer
· 1 year ago
I was definitely NOT implying that Tebow is a "system" QB, not even inadvertantly! You may have inadvertantly interpreted my post the wrong way. If I thought it was Meyer's System that made Tebow great then I wouldn't bother posting about him.
When I say that he is the ultimate spread QB, I am thinking about his versatility (passing, running, power, & toughness). I think he is the best possible QB that Urban could hope for (especially in the SEC) because Tebow is a freakin' beast! I have never seen a player who has more will to win and be his best than Tebow. I am just worried about what is going to happen after he is gone. He will not be easy to replace.
TigerEducated
· 12 months ago
I would be, too, but in my opinion, Meyer's recruiting is going to replace him...
Not in a QB sense, but in the sense that by this time, he's got his slew of receivers, he's FINALLY got his tailbacks in place, and he's finally putting his defense together (Hell, Haden and company are still just sophomores, though seasoned sophomores)...
Which means that while Tebow's unquestionably carried that team on its back, he's had to do so because that team was growing up and getting built around him...Once he's gone, the foundation for a super-strong program under Meyer's offensive philospohy will remain...
I will say this...Be wary of losing his leadership more than anything else...LSU was missing the wolves of last year in Dorsey, Steltz, Highsmith, and Hester, & Flynn...Those guys were easily replaced talents, believe it or not (The coaching replacements were jokes, unfortunately)...
Their leadership was sorely missed in a trying season...
I think the same will be said for Tebow...The talent and the system will be in place to continue winning...but who will be there to shake off the punch to the mouth that teams like Ole Miss, LSU, Georgia, and the like are going to be salivating over and just waiting to deliver?
It'll be a tough, intangible missing factor to the Gator equation...
All in all, though...I think Meyer's building a long-term dominant program in the East...Kiffin & Richt will battle for 2nd place...
The_Observer
· 12 months ago
I think you're right, we will have a nice foundation to build upon.
That's an excellent point about his leadership. I don't like all the penalties we get now. If it gets worse it could become a big problem (Georgia, I'm talking about you).
FSU_Ben
· 12 months ago
"I am just worried about what is going to happen after he is gone. He will not be easy to replace"
890 on the SAT from a fat fullback who can throw a ball. Can't be that hard to replace. 3.5 GPA from his MOM since he was homeschooled guy shouldn't even be elidgible but hey it's the SEC. I'm sure they can find plenty of people that fit his description. Now his motivation will be hard to replace BUT could it be that Urban Meyer is the source of that motivation? Better quaterbacks come out of high school since(didn't Marve beat his records?) and suck, I know I would take 2 of the sidelined quarterbacks currently at Florida for FSU over what we have now. I agree that is one motivated kid. Such passion. Sometimes the special needs people of the world have such sparkle it brings a tear to the eye especially when he crams 45 points down your teams throat two years in a row.
TampaGator
· 12 months ago
"....Can't be that hard to replace. 3.5 GPA from his MOM since he was homeschooled guy shouldn't even be elidgible but hey it's the SEC..."
Yeah, his academic cred is clearly questionable....especially since he hasn't been able to sustain any academic respectability at UF....other than the highest GPA on the team, consistent HONOR student status, all SEC academic status, or anything like that...
...oh, wait....he has!
Try again.
Props for Rolle earning Rhodes Scholar status, but one Rhodes Scholar on FSU's roster, does not make FSU superior to UF academically. It will take much more than that, son.
Start by surpassing USF and UCF in academic standards; then, multiply FSU's research grants by about 5x; proceed by gaining admission to the AAU; build up about 50 years worth of cred amongst the academic elites; tighten up your admissions; lose the circus; multiply your endowment by about 3x....you get the picture....
Then, feel free to smugly lecture us about academics.
GO GATORS!!
FSU_Ben
· 11 months ago
MMM, Knocking on our circus!! We have to find someway to compete with the tacky hillbillies in hogtown!
TampaGator
· 12 months ago
Gotcha'.
Tebow--replaced--hopefully we won't have to worry about that until 2010.
GO GATORS!!
Tom_Blogical
· 12 months ago
I think it's a shame he doesn't seem to be the front runner for a Heisman again. And that's coming from an OSU fan who wants to see Archie Griffin remain the only two-time Heisman winner.
Tom_Blogical
· 12 months ago
The problem with that statement is Meyer's offense is successful everywhere he goes.
The_Observer
· 12 months ago
I'll repeat, don't underestimate Tim Tebow's influence on the success of this football team. I hope it is Meyer's offense and not TIm Tebow, but it's pretty difficult for me to discount a player with Tebow's ability.
You know he's Superman right?
Tom_Blogical
· 12 months ago
"You know he's Superman right?"
Well duh. I also know Ohio State's 2006 defense is definitely not his kryptonite. :-)
Even then, he was a shuttled QB.
The_Observer
· 1 year ago
Ha!
Tom_Blogical
· 12 months ago
My main point was, don't underestimate Meyer's ability to coach with the players he has. Again, he's done it everywhere he's been. Plus, Tebow is one guy out of 11...on the offensive side of the ball. Superman doesn't play defense. Yet.
The_Observer
· 1 year ago
Good point. I certainly agree with you.
Ben Prather
· 12 months ago
Alex Smith was superman at Utah, getting picked #1 the NFL draft and nominated for a Heisman.
Where is he now?
Quarterback built like fullbacks thrive in Meyer's offense.
The_Observer
· 12 months ago
Tebow was Superman before he met Meyer. Alex Smith was not.
The_Observer
· 12 months ago
And I don't think Tebow is going to make a great NFL qb.
Tom_Blogical
· 12 months ago
Hey Ben! You never gave me your thoughts on Utah DC Gary Andersen taking the Utah State HC job. Do you think he'll remain with the team (edited for clarity--for the bowl game)? Seems like the players sure want him to.
WestCoaster
· 12 months ago
They said the same thing about Paul Johnson at GT, and that's gotten off to a great start as well... even against those "strong" SEC defenses
Ben Prather
· 12 months ago
Yes, just like Meyers gimmick offense won't work against the SEC's defenses.
PrinceMarko
· 12 months ago
Meyer's system benefits from outrageous athletes. There are many times that my brother-in-law and I sit there and predict Meyer's plays:
Tebow run off of left tackle.... Harvin handoff..... Tebow fake step, gun down field to Murphy...
That is Urban Meyer's playbook in total.
4cornerz
· 1 year ago
I hope he can win in the state of Washington.
Tom_Blogical
· 12 months ago
Washington has the potential to be great again, but it's definitely going to take the right coach. Sarkisian better be able to recruit.
WestCoaster
· 12 months ago
I agree. Also, just because Washington is beyond awful this year, they are much fewer years removed from a MNC than other "more prestigious" programs, such as ND and PSU. Seattle is beautiful, and I love that royal purple and gold.
Tom_Blogical
· 12 months ago
I will go along with everything you said with the exception of the remark about PSU. ND yes, PSU no. Penn State was within one point by a last second field goal of making it to the National Championship game this year.
I'll add that I love the fact that their stadium is open at one end and has a view of the harbor. That's got to be the best view in college football.
WestCoaster
· 12 months ago
FSU was wide-right from an MNC in the 90's. There are many circumstances which lead to a teams inability to win (or qualify for) a NC. My point being was that people use MNC's as a gauge of program success, and UW has won one more recently than either program. Therefore, while they may be the worst right now, the prestige still exists and the potential for a turnaround is much greater.
Tom_Blogical
· 12 months ago
I understand what you're saying now--you were referring to past MNCs and not future ones. I guess it depends on perspective. I think PSU is much closer to getting another than Washington is. Notre Dame? I'm betting it'll take them longer than Washington.
indieguy
· 12 months ago
You know what really grinds my gears? SC coaches leaving their superior program left and right. . .He's not going to do a damn thing is Washington.
All Comments
Leach to Auburn then?
But it won't stop the Plainsmen from hiring him with a truckload of cash...
He's FINALLY recruiting folks other than QB's & small, white-guy WR's...and you see what its capable of...
IF he could put a defense with it...and a decent coordinator would be able to at AU...
I'd be VERY scared...
Just my $0.02...
Lot's of superlatives. What he is not, IMO, is a "system" quarterback--which is what seems to be implied, even if inadvertantly, by saying he's the "ultimate spread qb". He'd be deadly in most any system.
That a big, not terribly ellusive guy can also be so damn effective in the spread--illustrates his versatility, IMO--not that the system was conformed ro designed to accomodate him.
Just my opinion.
GO GATORS!!
IMO I really like Charlie Ward.
We'd have 5-6 guys in the backfield--running into each other like keystone cops, while CW ran roughshod in the backfield--repeating the same scenario in the backfield (our LB's/Db's running into each other like...).
So yeah--that would be one helluva candidate for that distinction, IMO. He was also a very accurate passer.
Michael Vick and Vince Young also come to mind----perhaps Steve Young, John Elway, that Crouch kid (H-man) from Nebraska, as well.
....not that any of them (other than crouch) played in spread o's, but in terms of prototype, that's what I'd look for.
GO GATORS!!
Spread Offenses can come in many different forms...
One one extreme, you've got Leach's Spread, which is going to maybe get 10 rushes out of the tailback the entire game, and its going to be almost completely dedicated to throwing the ball.
You've got Mizzou, who runs a more "multiple" Spread, which is actually pretty balanced...
Then, you've got teams like Florida & West Virginia, who are looking for their quarterbacks to be their 2nd leading rusher, in a perfect world, with the ground game predicating their passing offense. You should see a 2:1 run/pass yardage ratio as for the breakdown on your total offensive stats on the boxscore in those variations...
The Spread can be used to run...or pass...or a mixture of both...Its designed not to favor one or the other, but to create better spacing to accomplish your offensive philosophy...Its hallmarks are the spacing between the offensive line...It forces the defense to go wider, creating more open space, and more opportunities for whatever you want to do, offensively. It puts a premium on speed while you're on offense-as opposed to size in a lot of team's cases.
On defense, its going to require you to excel at playing space, and also at making you play sound responsibility football...
...that's Chalie Ward, not Weis...
But now that I think about it, Charlie Weis would probably be pretty good too, don't you think?
LMAO!!
...sorry...just a'crack'n myself up over here...
GO GATORS!!
When I say that he is the ultimate spread QB, I am thinking about his versatility (passing, running, power, & toughness). I think he is the best possible QB that Urban could hope for (especially in the SEC) because Tebow is a freakin' beast! I have never seen a player who has more will to win and be his best than Tebow. I am just worried about what is going to happen after he is gone. He will not be easy to replace.
Not in a QB sense, but in the sense that by this time, he's got his slew of receivers, he's FINALLY got his tailbacks in place, and he's finally putting his defense together (Hell, Haden and company are still just sophomores, though seasoned sophomores)...
Which means that while Tebow's unquestionably carried that team on its back, he's had to do so because that team was growing up and getting built around him...Once he's gone, the foundation for a super-strong program under Meyer's offensive philospohy will remain...
I will say this...Be wary of losing his leadership more than anything else...LSU was missing the wolves of last year in Dorsey, Steltz, Highsmith, and Hester, & Flynn...Those guys were easily replaced talents, believe it or not (The coaching replacements were jokes, unfortunately)...
Their leadership was sorely missed in a trying season...
I think the same will be said for Tebow...The talent and the system will be in place to continue winning...but who will be there to shake off the punch to the mouth that teams like Ole Miss, LSU, Georgia, and the like are going to be salivating over and just waiting to deliver?
It'll be a tough, intangible missing factor to the Gator equation...
All in all, though...I think Meyer's building a long-term dominant program in the East...Kiffin & Richt will battle for 2nd place...
That's an excellent point about his leadership. I don't like all the penalties we get now. If it gets worse it could become a big problem (Georgia, I'm talking about you).
890 on the SAT from a fat fullback who can throw a ball. Can't be that hard to replace. 3.5 GPA from his MOM since he was homeschooled guy shouldn't even be elidgible but hey it's the SEC. I'm sure they can find plenty of people that fit his description. Now his motivation will be hard to replace BUT could it be that Urban Meyer is the source of that motivation? Better quaterbacks come out of high school since(didn't Marve beat his records?) and suck, I know I would take 2 of the sidelined quarterbacks currently at Florida for FSU over what we have now. I agree that is one motivated kid. Such passion. Sometimes the special needs people of the world have such sparkle it brings a tear to the eye especially when he crams 45 points down your teams throat two years in a row.
Yeah, his academic cred is clearly questionable....especially since he hasn't been able to sustain any academic respectability at UF....other than the highest GPA on the team, consistent HONOR student status, all SEC academic status, or anything like that...
...oh, wait....he has!
Try again.
Props for Rolle earning Rhodes Scholar status, but one Rhodes Scholar on FSU's roster, does not make FSU superior to UF academically. It will take much more than that, son.
Start by surpassing USF and UCF in academic standards; then, multiply FSU's research grants by about 5x; proceed by gaining admission to the AAU; build up about 50 years worth of cred amongst the academic elites; tighten up your admissions; lose the circus; multiply your endowment by about 3x....you get the picture....
Then, feel free to smugly lecture us about academics.
GO GATORS!!
Tebow--replaced--hopefully we won't have to worry about that until 2010.
GO GATORS!!
You know he's Superman right?
Well duh. I also know Ohio State's 2006 defense is definitely not his kryptonite. :-)
Even then, he was a shuttled QB.
Where is he now?
Quarterback built like fullbacks thrive in Meyer's offense.
Tebow run off of left tackle.... Harvin handoff..... Tebow fake step, gun down field to Murphy...
That is Urban Meyer's playbook in total.
I'll add that I love the fact that their stadium is open at one end and has a view of the harbor. That's got to be the best view in college football.