DISQUS

Mr2Bits · 8 months ago

Moving it to Atlanta would be atrocious. I and everyone I know hate Atlanta. The people are unfriendly, the town is dirty and riddled with unsafe areas skirting most of the downtown area (Seen someone shot at during a Peach Bowl one year). This would not be a good move.

Keep it in Jax as this is where it belongs. The landings can never be replaced. Additionally, hotels and transportation are setup to accommodate the masses. Moving it to a home and home would be the only other option. I love Athens as it’s a great city, just not easy to get to for Florida fans. Overall, just keep it where it is. For those of you who have never been, you are missing a treat as there is no environment like it.

TampaGator · 8 months ago

Agreed, 100%. Well stated.

GO GATORS!!

Clemson_Joe · 8 months ago

I certainly echo your sentiments about ATL. I stay away as much as I possibly can.

fosterkeats · 8 months ago

You're just saying that b/c Bama destroyed your Iptay asses last season...

I live in Atlanta & YES, we have problems... but it's not the shithole all you paranoid suburbanites make it out to be...

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 8 months ago

My mailing address says Atlanta, albeit I'm in the Cumberland/Vinings area, but I'd be damned if I ever doubled my property taxes to feed to that black hole known as the city of Atlanta so I could lose my suburbanite tag.

Only two educated types live downtown, Foster: yuppies and gays. Which are you?

WarEagleFan · 8 months ago

My guess is the latter....but what do I know...oh yea he's a Bama fan that explains it...LOL

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 8 months ago

I'm not trying to deride either one. It's amazing what the gay community does for property values and upkeep in urban areas. They build something out of what is otherwise urban blight. I'd rather have them as neighbors than criminals.

I doubt Foster is either, but it sure is fun to get his motor running...

fosterkeats · 8 months ago

You are correct, sir... I'm just a straight man living in EAV(East Atlanta Village) who likes to be close to his favorite watering holes... I've got a friend up in Vinings, nice area...

If youre ever in EAV, try The Midway, The Graveyard or the Glenwood, pretty kool bars... The Midway is my official "Game-Watching Bar"...

I'm heading there in a few minutes, if Mich State wins tonite, I win their March Madness pool, $$$$$

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 8 months ago

Do I ask for that Manson-looking feller???

fosterkeats · 8 months ago

You can ask for the guy who ALMOST won the NCAA pool, who was forced to root for a hack-job Big 10+1 team who played their best game of the year Saturday and ruined my bracket...

WarEagleFan · 8 months ago

Yes a well kept yard ,a rainbow flag flying proudly on the front porch, and a few dinner parties is much better than alnight shootings and crackheads..LOL

Clemson_Joe · 8 months ago

You do realize that we play in Atlanta every other year, right? 1 game against Alabama has absolutely nothing to do with it. I wouldn't dislike a place due to anything having to do with sports. I base my dislike of Atlanta on the fact that I've been there far more times than I'd like to claim.

Suburbanites? I literally live less than half of a mile from the state Capitol. It's not a huge city like Atlanta, but it certainly isn't suburban.

Out of curiosity, what exactly am I paranoid about?

thebuckstopshere · 8 months ago

That's funny, the reasons you stated for disliking Atlanta are the same things that transpire during FL/Georgia week in Jax. All the people who never attended nor could point to either university on a map come out of the wood work. It's not like I can take my son to the landing with all the half naked Georgia girls running around. Let alone people just go down there looking to start a fight, they found a guy beat to death under some steps at the landing last year. The only reason all the mayhem is tolerated is the 20 million in revenue the game generates for the local economy.

In my opinion the rivalry lacks class and I would be glad to see it leave the city, other more deserving teams would take their place and not trash the place. Bama/Florida St. generated just as much money last year and the city didn't have half the problems.

gatorhippy · 8 months ago

In my opinion the rivalry lacks class...

And how many WLOCP contests have you attended in order to form this opinion?

thebuckstopshere · 8 months ago

I don't know......... what's the magic number inside your head that would legitimize my opinion?

I should have said SOME aspects of the rivalry lack class......

To be more specific, I was more or less referring to the atmosphere downtown throughout the week of the game.

Nothing against either institution………


But back to your question how many "classy" outdoor cocktail parties have I been to? Well zero, that's an oxymoron if I've ever heard one. If your referring to the mass gathering of drunken idiots that embarrass themselves and the schools they represent in downtown Jax once a year. Well I've only subjected my wife and kids to that ONE time, the first year I moved here. I haven't made that mistake again. I prefer to enjoy the landing and downtown on any other week, like tailgating for Monster Jam was fun, or going to the landing for the boat parade and fireworks is a good event. And you don't have to worry about drunken fool's hitting on your wife, your kids getting stepped on, or dodging beer bottles being chucked through the air.......

gatorhippy · 8 months ago

Funny...

Nowhere did I claim that it did or did not lack class...

Nor did I ask how many "classy" outdoor cocktail parties have you attended...

I inquired as to how many of the actual contests associated with the free for all outside the stadium have you attended...

As that is where the "rivalry" is...

Not on the outside...

So how many times have you attended the game?

And on another note...

Are you Mormon or something or just haven't lived in Jax that long?

Because I'll assure you that if you don't like the atmosphere outside the stadium now...

You definitley would have split your "buckeye" if you had been on scene 20-25 years ago...

And assuredly fine events like Monster Jam, fireworks, etc. along with places like the Landing are totally free of "drunken idiots" except for one Saturday in October...

As Slater would say...

"O-kaaay..."

thebuckstopshere · 8 months ago

Im sorry you said "WLOCP" I do not consider that the sporting event and neither do the universities for that matter. So that's what I was referring to, I didn't realize you were asking how many Fl/Georgia games I attended. But I have clarified it's not the game itself I have a problem with anyways.

And based on my experiences I've never had a problem at those other events. This is why I said "in my opinion"............

gatorhippy · 8 months ago

You should learn to read better...

Look at my earlier post...

Note that the word "contests" follows the acronym for the spectacle surrounding the stadium...

thebuckstopshere · 8 months ago

Duly noted and now that we have cleared that up is there anything else you would like to add?

gatorhippy · 8 months ago

Sure...

So you are basing your opinion on fans attending this event on one trip to the area over how many years of living in Jax?

thebuckstopshere · 8 months ago

Are you trying to ascertain the validity of my opinion?

Just make your point already, or just state it... I already know what it is but I'm not going to help you shore it up. I want you to make your assumption so I can jump all over it. If you don't want to play that way then I guess you don't have many outs........

gatorhippy · 8 months ago

Are you trying to ascertain the validity of my opinion?

Nope...

Just inquiring to understand what you are basing your opinion on...

Which leads to...

I'm interested in knowing what my point is, so please do tell...

thebuckstopshere · 8 months ago

Do you honestly think I would set myself up for what I already proclaimed I plan on doing to you?

I'm not going to make any public assumptions.....

Just know that I know what you know and that is that you know that I know what it is that you know...........

gatorhippy · 8 months ago

LMAO...

That entire post was Vizzini-esque...

thebuckstopshere · 8 months ago

YES



I know where the poison is..........

gatorhippy · 8 months ago

BTW - I'm still waitng to find out how many years you have lived in JAX area...

thebuckstopshere · 8 months ago

I've lived here for 5 years, but I've been visiting family near the area for the past 20 years......

Ramblin' Gator · 8 months ago

Do yourself a favor. If you don't like the "atmoshphere" surrounding the WLOCP, then stay away from Bike Week in Daytona. 2009 was considered a "good year" for bike week and the last count I heard included 5 deaths, all vehicular and alcohol-related. Last year was 12. In 2006, the butcher's bill was 20.

FWIW, I went to the WLOCP back in November and was very pleased with how my wife and I were treated. We encountered one obnoxious UF fan during the game (the cops visited this ass clown twice during the first half) and one angry-drunk UGA fan after the game. Considering the attendance was ~85K, I'm not complaining.

thebuckstopshere · 8 months ago

Thanx for the tip I'll steer clear. Bikers and I never have gotten along ever since I had a run in with the Outlaws when I was a teen-ager, they didn't appreciate my friends and I harvesting there "plants" in the back of their club. You tend to be uncomfortable around people similar to those who have shot at you..........

And I'm glad you and your wife had a swell time.........

WarEagleFan · 8 months ago

And when you say harvesting you mean steal...well if you were stealing my property I would have shot at you too... But who hasn't done stupid things when they were teenagers I know I did!!

thebuckstopshere · 8 months ago

Yeah I was in the wrong.....But it defiantly shaped my perception....

WarEagleFan · 8 months ago

While I'm not saying that the Outlaws are law abiding, productive members of society there are a few that are pretty decent people. As long as you show them what they think is the proper respect. I ride and while I'm not in or associated with a "biker gang" I do know a few from the bar I work at part time and have had a interesting time getting to know a few of them. Great fun as long as you stay on their good side.

TampaGator · 8 months ago

Buckstops:

First: "...In my opinion the rivalry lacks class..."

Buckeys-Wolverines. 'nuff said.

Second: "....I would be glad to see it leave the city, other more deserving teams would take their place and not trash the place..."

Pure ignorance. First, the place doesn't get trashed-(this isn't spring break); Second, no other combination of teams could match the interest that Florida and Georgia bring, if for no other reason than 70+ years of TRADITION...

Third: "...Bama/Florida St. generated just as much money last year and the city didn't have half the problems..."

No they didn't; didn't even come close. They couldn't even fill the stadium (approx. 30,000 empty seats?!?!). As for problems? Let's just say that 'noles and bammers don't go back very far.

Fourth: "...It's not like I can take my son to the landing with all the half naked Georgia girls running around..."

Why not? What's he gonna' see? This ain't Mardi Gras, with girls lifting their shirts for beads; it's mostly good clean fun. Kids all over the place...

Just as well though; frankly, I wouldn't take my kids to see Bucks v. Wolv'ies, because y'all have absolutely no perspective when it comes to that rivalry. Fights? Violence?? Ohio State--Michigan could just as easily be dubbed "...the world's largest outdoor hockey game". FL-UGA doesn't come close to Bucks/Wolvies, when it comes to violence and fights (though we probably do consume more alcohol per capita than is consumed in Ann Arbor or Columbus...).

Finally: FL-UGA is far more civil than UF-FSU, Miami-FSU, Alabama-Aub, and a pile of other rivalriers, certianly more so than OSU-Michigan...and how about OSU v. Texas??? Plenty of problems there, and there was hardly any history...

Buckeye Fan calling ANYONE out for classless rivalries....that's just about funny...


GO GATORS!!

thebuckstopshere · 8 months ago

Dance puppet dance.......

PRADICTABLE

TampaGator · 8 months ago

"...PRADICTABLE [sic]...", perhaps--

--but accurate. 'Dawgs and Gators have FUN with their boarder rivalry; Bucks and Wolvies have nothing less than contempt, if not vitriol towards one another.

Cheers!


GO GATORS!!

thebuckstopshere · 8 months ago

Accurate? Come on now don't kid yourself....

Not too many people in the sports world would agree with your assessment by the way. Below is just a small sampling.

http://espn.go.com/endofcentury/s/other/bestriv...
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/123128-the-1...
http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/jbcissom/81290

Since you felt it was necessary to take a dig at Ohio State, I felt compelled to show you that in most people's eyes you can't even mention the two rivalries in the same breath.

I love that you bring up Ohio St. every time I post, I enjoy talking about them. I just didn't realize you felt the same way......Come out of the closet already you know you're a Buckeye fan at heart.

TampaGator · 8 months ago

Buckstops:

1. All three sites concerned the quality of the rivalry in terms of drama on the field--significance of wins, closeness of games, even passion of fans related thereto--none the them had anything to do with your sleight about violence, and fights. Thanks for sharing though; made for interesting reading.

2. "....I love that you bring up Ohio St. every time I post..."

That's just hilarious! That would be because your handle betrays the source of your commentary, and invites similar comparisons.

3. "...I enjoy talking about them [OSU]. I just didn't realize you felt the same way...."

That's even more hilarious--every time we mix it up, it's because YOU comment on UF. It's obviously you who are obsessed with the Gators (as I posted in prior thread, had this one been about OSU--I wouldn't be posting in it, because I wouldn't give a sh*t). Sure "prAdictable", but again, accurate. In fact, PREDICTABLE, precisely because it's accurate.

Finally: You live in Jacksonville huh?

That's just too damn funny. Yet another frustrated, displaced POS yankee who ran from the deterioration of POS rust belt to which Ohio pertains, com'n down here to tell us ig'nant southners how things should be run...

LAMO!!!

Sure, let's take a look at Detroit, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Cinc'y....all those other rotting POS sh*tholes in the midwest, in order to learn how to run things.

Babble on, hypocrite.


GO GATORS!!

thebuckstopshere · 8 months ago

1. I'm glad you had fun reading the articles. Your point is taken here......

2. My handle may evoke similar comparisons but that doesn't take away from the points I make. You would be better suited to argue those points specifically. Rather than use sandbox mentality and revert back to the old "I know you are but what am I" argument.

3. So according to your logic I should just sit around and wait for an OSU thread to emerge, as if I can’t have an opinion on anything else. Theres a difference you drag Ohio St. into the conversation every time when the thread has nothing to do with it. I'm posting as a college football fan about an event that transpires in the city in which I reside. Frankly my opinion has more weight than yours on this matter in a number of ways.

4. I will give you a chance to take all those assumptions and generalizations back as they pertain to me. Because honestly you don't know where the hell I'm from or what the hell I'm doing here and if you think you can summarize everything up the way you did you are in fact one 'IG'NANT" mutherf@#$%

5. Again sandbox fourth grader pre-adolescent mentality. I didn't say shit about any of those city's so how the hell do you know what I think of them? How the hell can I be a hypocrite when I never said shit about these places or compared them? Besides that your totally off topic.

You say you don't give a shit about OSU threads.....
Well maybe you should start not giving a shit about FL threads, because you look and talk like an ASS.

Oh and please keep being my personal spell check bitch...

PRADICTABLE

TampaGator · 8 months ago

Buckstops:

"...So according to your logic I should just sit around and wait for an OSU thread to emerge, as if I can’t have an opinion on anything else..."

I never said nor suggested that; I simply pointed out that I wouldn't post in an OSU thread because I don't give a sh*t about OSU---conversely, when you post in every thread that has anything to do with UF, it suggests an interest. [NOTE: YOU attempted to impute interest in OSU to me, simply because I bring up OSU in reply to your posts, which come labled OhioState (icon), and a play on "Buckeye" in handle].

As for the opportunity you extended to me--I politely decline. If the shoe fits, wear it; if it doesn't, I don't care--I ain't backin' off....and if it makes you feel better to share with us why you're a buckeye fan, but how you didn't grow up up north...knock yourself out.

Finally, you ended your post with a suggestion (I'll decline); I'll reciprocate:

Lighten up....it's just a sports blog.



GO GATORS!!

thebuckstopshere · 8 months ago

That's it?
That's all you could manage??????

Weak.

Yes you said you wouldn't post in an OSU thread because you don't give a shit about OSU. You directed this statement at me to imply what exactly? The way I took it was that you were implying I should just not worry about FL threads. Can you blame me for coming to this conclusion, is it really that farfetched. Don't leave things open ended and then try to jump on me when I come to a logical conclusion.

Next this isn't just a FL thread, if you could open your eyes to anything not Gator laced you would see that. Also your embellishing when you say I respond to EVERY Florida thread. TWO (this one and the other you referred to) certainly does not constitute EVERY.

I'm glad you declined and like that fact you left the door open for me by saying "well if the shoe fits wear it." I mean I can just let my imagination run wild now. Let me try to describe your origins and current motives for living in Tampa.

My best guess is you were born and raised in these parts and never ventured further than your front yard. I'm sure you probably resent all these northerners coming down and making you look bad. You probably got passed over for a promotion for a northerner and your wife (if you have one) I'm sure is getting banged by a northerner. As a result you take out all your frustrations on lowly Fanblogs members every chance you get. On top of all this Im sure you fantasize about Tebow when you masturbate and you probably drive a Volkswagen while sipping your latte on the way to your job as a mattress salesman. And while at work you plot all day how to take out Urban Meyer. Yet another northerner (a buckeye no less) who came down and showed you how it's done. You love him but you hate him. All this contempt has manifested into an over the top infatuation with the Gators and your shrink has suggested you should divorce your wife and move back in with your mom. Your in the process of packing up your Florida memorabilia as we speak.

Hey if the shoe doesn't fit though don't worry.....

Now do you have anything constructive to say about topic at hand or will you just continue to try and discredit me?

TampaGator · 8 months ago

Buckstops:

Apparently I hit a sore spot (yankee?)...

...and you've made it quite clear that you don't care about the Gators, and that nothing we say can impact you, and that we just can get a reaction out of you no matter how hard we try, as you very maturely just let things bounce right off, and continue as though nothing happened....my, what extraordinary restraint!

("...dance puppet, dance..."--LMAO!
Pot: meet Kettle).

FYI: My prior post was weak (though not nearly as weak as your whiny little muse above), intentionally--because it's obvious that you're taking this stuff way too seriously.

I repeat: lighten up; it's just a sports blog.


GO GATORS!!

thebuckstopshere · 8 months ago

I'm sorry if I gave the impression I was taking any of this seriously. I'm enjoying myself.

The above was an obvious attempt to mimic YOU and then I went ahead and applied YOUR logic to any potential response you could muster up just to point out how flawed it is.

Since you can do nothing but comment on my attitude at this point. I will take it you have nothing to add about my original opinion besides your previous points in which I so brilliantly dispatched.

Thank you for your time on this sports blog. And have a nice day.

GO GATORS!!!!

TampaGator · 8 months ago

Ohhhhhhhhhhh, I get it...

...you were just mimicking me...

Here I thought you were danc'n like a puppet over my little dig at northerners...

Well, at least you had TigerEducated fooled.

b/t/w: I missed the part where you "brilliantly dispatched" any point. Was it where you showed how Bama/FSU was merely $5.4 million in economic impact LESS THAN FL/GA? Sure showed me...

Or, was it how you showed virtually NOTHING about violence/fighting in the OSU/Michigan rivalry? Yeah, you really got me there...

Oh I know....it was your very mature allusion to masterbating to Tebow, right? AFTER making some claim about CLASS in the FL/GA rivalry???

Perhaps it was how you called Tampa a sh*thole, then whined about a few midwestern cities being dubbed the same...

...uh huh...sure showed me...

...well, you still have TigerEd...

...giggle giggle giggle....


GO GATORS!!

thebuckstopshere · 8 months ago

It's amazing how you piece things together inside that little head of yours. Why it's damm near delusional.

Don't worry I will clear it up for you yet again.......

First, I did show the economic impact was in the same ball park. In 2007 the gap was 5mil. But I SAID in 2008 the game dropped off to around 19mil. Which would put it right there with the FSU/Bama game of 2007. Like I said though you only see what you want to see.

O.K. after the first round it's

Buckstops-1
Gayturd-0

Ding Ding Ding Fight!!

HAHA you expected me to dig up and research violence relating to the OSU/Mich rivalry? Let's get this straight so we don't have this problem in the future. If your going to make points that have NO RELEVENCE what so ever don't kid yourself into thinking I'm going to respond let alone look it up to confirm your allegations. It would have been one thing if I was just a casual observer and I was calling out the theatrics that take place around this game while ignoring the past antics my represented school engaged in that would've been of similar fashion. BUT that was not the case, I was commenting as a college football fan and a resident of JAX. You may have not known that then but I have certainly clarified that. SO to clarify once more, I gave you a chance to realize your comparison held no merit and to drop it. But you didn't disappoint you brought it up yet again. Sorry, I'm still not taking the bait. As it still has NO RELEVANCE

Buckstops-2
Gayturd-0

Round 3, FIGHT!

Tebow thing was obviously a joke and was only done to illustrate how ludicrous it is to just throw around accusations based on pure speculation as you did. So any point in relation to the story I fabricated is mute, as it was only a reflection of your arrogance, UNDERSTAND? Another thing I never claimed to have class so no need to point out any hypocrisy there. If we ever met I might just as soon teabag you than shake your hand. That's the extent of my class in a nut shell.
I still haven't stated my opinion of any city but Tampa or complained about any descriptions you used. For all you know I agree with you. But your last comment highlights the extent of your delusions perfectly. Really just give it up it's starting to look desperate....

FATALITY

GO GATORS!!!!

TampaGator · 8 months ago

Buckstops:

First, before you go claiming victory, understand I was accross the state on business, and unavailable.

Second:

By way of background:

You: "...In my opinion the rivalry lacks class..."

= you, claiming authority on class.

You: "...dance, puppet, dance..."

=you, suggesting that you can manipulate or control my posts.

Me: making an issue of "...PRADACTABE..." [SIC]/"...prAdictable..."

=diversion, away from your puppet comment;

Me: "...yet another frustrated, displaced POS yankee..."

=me, pushing buttons, feeling out a weakspot.

You: "...you are in fact one 'IG'NANT" mutherf@#$%..."

and "...all this Im sure you fantasize about Tebow when you masturbate...", along with that whole diatribe,

= you, having a virtual meltdown, abandoning any claim to authority on class [your original assertion].

Finally:

You: "...If we ever met I might just as soon teabag you than shake your hand. That's the extent of my class in a nut shell..."

=you, confessing you have no class, or more accurately:

=Beethoven's #5, on "Buckstopshere", my personal Stratavarious.

Dance puppet, dance.


GO GATORS!!

thebuckstopshere · 8 months ago

You have demonstrated a condition that may not have yet been discovered.

I think I will name it selective reading.

I fear due to the nature of the condition in which you are afflicted, this conversation has reached its end. Thank you for trying and good luck with your future discussions.

GO GATORS!!!

TigerEducated · 8 months ago

Dude, if you think writing something that entertaining to read isn't just as entertaining to write, then you're deluded...

That's hilarious...and what's even more hilarious is that you couldn't really respond...

"Gradulations, TG!"

TampaGator · 8 months ago

Dude, if you admit to giggling like a little girl over any that idotic crap, that speaks volumes to your intellect.

"...Couldn't really respond..."???

...or maybe....chose not to dignify such stupidity with an actual reply.



GO GATORS!!

thebuckstopshere · 8 months ago

Again such stupidity was merely a reflection of you.

So hey if the shoe fits.......

thebuckstopshere · 8 months ago

removed

thebuckstopshere · 8 months ago

River City Showdown (University of Alabama vs. Florida State University) – Sept. 27
16,864 room nights (83 percent of hotels reporting)
$7.4 million – direct spending
$17.6 million – economic impact

Florida vs. Georgia Football Classic – Oct. 27
21,991 room nights (70 percent of hotels reporting)
$9.7 million – direct spending
$23 million – total economic impact

The FL/Georgia game dropped off to just over 19 million last year.

You were saying something about it not even being close based on ticket sales? Yeah try to look at the big picture buddy.......

Visit this http://www.news4jax.com/news/14432095/detail.html

Now go ahead and try to justify this in the name of a GAME, shut the hell up and don't try to tell me about my town just stay in that shit hole called Tampa

Ohio St. doesn't have nothing to do this thread but if your that infatuated with them I can start sending you the monthly newsletter.

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 8 months ago

I believe that FSU-Bama game was in 2007, right? Were the WLOCP stats from the same year?

thebuckstopshere · 8 months ago

yes

gatorhippy · 8 months ago

The UF student was beaten to death by Jax residents...

Since we're making gross generalizations should we lump you in with those guys as well, tBSH?

thebuckstopshere · 8 months ago

Funny......

Did I say that it was someone else that beat him to death?


Did I say anything regarding true fans of both schools?

No if you look at my original post I said it's usually people that don't have clear ties to these universities coming out of the wood work and stirring things up.

Right after you get done criticizing my inability to interpret your subtle word phrasing, you go and do the same thing but even more blatantly. Go figure........

Let me know the gross generalizations I made and I will try to clarify them, but hell yeah lump me into that mix and yourself too since you're a Floridian......Shit were all Americans so were all guilty............What the hell is the point your trying to make?

TigerEducated · 8 months ago

I sort've like watching gatorhippy get owned here in this little Fanblogs stickmeasuring contest...

[gigglesnort]

Hipster, tell us about your "essence of fruit" versus "fruit flavored" beers...I have a few definitions from Merriam & Webster's I wanna shoot your way...

thebuckstopshere · 8 months ago

I'm glad you're enjoying yourself.....

But for pure entertainment value NO ONE can compete with your past skirmishes........

I'm just pissed I screwed up and responded to myself instead of TampaG, he probably thinks his little rant got the best of me. If not for that you would be watching some three way action right now.......(don't even go there).......

gatorhippy · 8 months ago

Tell ya what...

I've got to back on my Adobe projects as I havent got $#!+ doen because I've been spending to much time over here...

But...

You are welcome to re-peruse the information there and enter into the discussion at any time you like, Corndogger...

I'll check it out...

;-]

gatorhippy · 8 months ago

Granted that was certainly more of a cheap jab...

But I do that from time to time when my school's being bashed...

However, you've been making gross generalizations down the stream the entire way...

For instance...

Let alone people just go down there looking to start a fight, they found a guy beat to death under some steps at the landing last year.

Personally, when I head to Jax for the game I'm not looking for a fight...

I can probably nameroughly another hundred people who don't as well...

But looking back at that statement and the possibility that it's factual...

I guess the one time you went down for the WLOCP that you , the wife and the kids were all looking to rumble?

Which in turn wouldn't necessarily make my earlier comment so much of a jab after all...

thebuckstopshere · 8 months ago

First I have tried to clarify that I am not taking shots at either university, so no need to get defensive on your schools behalf.

Second I think our problem lies within your definition of a gross generalization. If I were to have said EVERYONE goes down there looking to start a fight that would be one thing. IF I would have said the MAJORITY, that would be one thing. But no, I said people. That is by no means a gross generalization. I have backed up my claim and there is no denying people have been killed while participating in the spectacle generated by the game. Why is it that I have to defend my position when questioning the overall value of an event in MY community? I really don't understand where you can question my opinion on this matter especially not for the defense of your school which was never really attacked in the first place.................

gatorhippy · 8 months ago

No problm lies in you wording of the statement...

If you had stated "some" people then i would say you're not making a gross generalization...

However, it doesn't stop there...

It's not like I can take my son to the landing with all the half naked Georgia girls running around.

Is there no UF ladies running around half naked?

And since when has JPD allowed anybody to go topless or Porky Pig at the landing?

Also, your throwing out false information in your desperate attempt to CYA...

The gentleman you referred to in the stair incident was NOT beaten to death...

He was a City of Jax employee that frequented that bar on a regular basis, was known for getting extremely drunk and FELL down those stairs to his death due to his intoxicated state...

That has ABSOLUTELY ZERO connection to this game or the mayhem surrounding the stadium and was stated so by the Jax PD at the time of the incident...

thebuckstopshere · 8 months ago

Bullshit I don't have to specify and use the word "some" when referring to "people" in order for it not to be a gross generalization. When I say "people" without assigning a value in front of the word I left it open for you're interpretation. Your the one who assumed or at least suggested I meant everyone or the majority in some way. Your trying to justify a position your taking based on the assumption YOU made about what I was saying. Dizzying.......

UF ladies or Georgia ladies now your just nit picking. If your telling me you haven't seen any scantily dressed women down there then your freaking blind. This FACT is clearly what I'm referring to and I really don't see how it's beneficial to your point to argue this. By the way what the hell is you're point?

It seems like you dislike my opinion as it sheds a bad light on an event that I guess you feel must be defended. If you don't want to take my word for the event being controversial and potentially detrimental to the city then just read the papers or watch the news.

But you're right the guy who was beaten to death was near the CSX center, MY BAD. Yeah the guy who lay dying at the bottom of some steps while 40,000 plus never noticed, he was just a drunk and who gives a shit anyways.

It wasn't that I was throwing out false info. That's just the best my memory could come up with at the time. I posted the article that sited the deaths accurately. Do you have any beef with that?

All you're doing is critiquing my original post that I have since clarified.

Do you have anything new to add????

Why don't you just concede that my opinion is my right to have as a member of this community and that it's based on factual information which I have clarified and provided. And you can just stop trying to undermine what I have to say, in a futile attempt to back up your school........

gatorhippy · 8 months ago

That's nice...

Nothing like a little profanity to get your point across...

Gettin' a little worked up I see...

You'll have to excuse my abscence as I 've been tied up in Pensacola and today was the first day I had a chance to get back to you...

Now, if you made your statements clearer people wouldn't have to make assumptions...

Say what you mean...

And if you haven't seen any scantily clad women at Monster Jam, the fireworks, Jaguar games, the beach, or anywhere else in Florida for that matter YOU are blind, my good man...

Dislike your opinion? No...

Feel like your culling an opinion under with limited information and being poorly informed? Yes...

This entire thread you are basing your information and opinion on 5 years of living in the Jax area andONE trip to the landing during the weekend of the FL/GA game...

Then from the get go you essentially blame ALL of Jax problems that are comparable to Atlanta's on this one weekend...

Are we honestly to believe that the entire city is spotless save the end of this one weekend when these two schools come to town?

That it's crime free?

That there aren't drunks at the landing?

That there aren't "scantily clad women" running around?

That the JAX residents that beat the the UF student to death had never had prior instances and the UF/GA game was the catalyst?

Who's responsibility and fault is it that that city of Jax sot wasn't noticed? Uf fans? UGA fans?

NO! The responsibility lies with the bar staff...

Who incidentally (GASP!) are Jax residents...

The sad thing is you did link the article and then apparently didn't bother to read it, shooting instead for sensationalism and a weak attempt to make your point...

You can keep your opinion because after all you are certainly entitled to it however lacking in firsthand information and experience you may be...

However, it is certainly that; an "opinion" which never lies within right or wrong...

And as I have continued to point out along the way has been culled under one experience and some news articles of which you apparently didn't even read correctly...

TampaGator · 8 months ago

Gatorhip:

"...Nothing like a little profanity to get your point across..."

Exactly--especially when his primary point was that the WLOCP "lacks class."

Yes, he's quite the authority on all things "class"...

LMAO!


GO GATORS!!

thebuckstopshere · 8 months ago

OHHHH the hypocrisy I just can't take it....

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HE SAID CLASS AND THEN SAID SH*T!!!!!!!!!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

MY @SS IS FALLING OFF I"M LUAGHING SO HARD!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHA

go gators!!!

(Notice the three !!! = I care more)

TampaGator · 8 months ago

Buckstops:

[Maybe this should've gone here...it's hard to keep these identities straight, ya know....].

You think Gatorhippy and I are the same person?

You've lost your freak'n marbles.

My objective was just to expose you for lacking class, and therefore discrediting your assertion about the WLOCP and class (mission accomplisched--in spades)...

...not to have you babbl'n nonsense in a straight jacket in a padded room.

Sorry for mess'n with your head there bud.


GO GATORS!!

thebuckstopshere · 8 months ago

I told you I know what you know and that you know what it is that I know and that is that I know the point you were trying to make and you finally made it.

But before you did you insisted that wasn't the point you were making.

Which in fact you were but through the means of trying to manipulate me into making your point for you.

Nice try.........

But since that little game is over. I will concede that my opinion may not have much validity due to the fact I only gave it one chance. Maybe I shouldn't let one bad experience shape my entire view. I agree I was taking a far right stance and may have harshly condemned the entire event.

But forget all this nonsense we've been talking about.......

I want to know what you and TG are doing taking "business" trips together????

TampaGator · 8 months ago

Buckstops:

You think Gatorhippy and I are the same person?

You've lost your freak'n marbles.

My objective was just to expose you for lacking class, and therefore discrediting your assertion about the WLOCP and class (mission accomplisched--in spades)...

...not to have you babbl'n nonsense in a straight jacket in a padded room.

Sorry for mess'n with your head there bud.


GO GATORS!!

thebuckstopshere · 8 months ago

LOL, nah man I don't think your the same person....
Well maybe at times you two can become "one" if you know what I mean......

I'm glad you completed your mission of demonstrating that I don't have class to defend the WLOCP from my assertion that it lacks class. That was a pretty elaborate ruse. You are indeed very talented in your manipulation. Such subtle skill......

Too bad your fourth grade mentality can't realize that the WLOCP can lack class at the same time a classless person can be of the opinion that it lacks class. And by simply highlighting the lack of class possessed by such a person in no way solidifies the class or lack of class of the WLOCP.

BUT GOOD WORK anyways....

GO GATORS!!!

TampaGator · 8 months ago

There there, Bucky...

...it'll all get better when the meds kick in...

b/t/w: You have an OPINION regarding the level of "class" re. the WLOCP--your OPINION carries weight roughly proportional to your level of respect in the arena of class--which, by your own account, is next to nothing.

To illustrate:

The Taliban expresses an opinion regarding human rights violations--it would ring rather hollow.

See how that works, sparky?


GO GATORS!!

thebuckstopshere · 8 months ago

See I disagree...

Your example was a good illustration. Does it ring hollow?
I mean they did close Guantanamo Bay......

It may be human nature to dismiss the merit of one’s thoughts on a subject based on the perceived reputation of that person. But in reality one does not affect the other they are two separate entities. Ones integrity does not make their opinions wrong or right. Tell me what would your tactic for defending the WLOCP be if it were the Queen of England who called the event into question??

Now we're getting somewhere......

TampaGator · 8 months ago

Buckstops:

You'll be privvy to that, when the Queen calls it into question.

I'll concede this much though:
the level of conversation may have just taken a turn towards the north; unfortunately (perhaps fortunately--depending on one's perspective)-I can't continue, as I have business accross the Peninsula to which I must attend.

Catchya' later.

...perhaps in a different thread.


GO GATORS!!

thebuckstopshere · 8 months ago

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LOL, alright man take it easy.....

Ramblin' Gator · 8 months ago

The faithful around Athens are looking for any edge they can get to win this game. Perhaps the news that it will cost millions will convince them otherwise, but probably not. I suspect the fans would gladly lobby and donate millions to the school for new athletic facilities if they believed it would lead to a win every other year, so sacrificing millions for a potential home field advantage every other year seems reasonable to them. It is amazing how quickly dawg fans have forgotten that they seemed to have a home field advantage in J-ville prior to 1990.

In related news, UGA just hired a relatively unknown basketball coach and many fans are complaining bitterly. Given the state of roundball in Athens, I suspect Fox is the best they can get at the moment.

Clemson_Joe · 8 months ago

I certainly agree about Fox. I think the Georgia fans are being unrealistic about this. How many people actually want to coach basketball in Athens right now? The only thing that I can think is that it might not be that difficult to have success in a down conference. I just don't think that's going to last long enough for the bulldogs to find their own success.

fosterkeats · 8 months ago

Georgia fans & admin do noting but whine, and will make a knee-jerk reaction just b/c Florida has been kicking their asses of late...

They can't even hire a basketball coach without the help of some half-ass "executive search" firm who's doing the job that the AD is supposed to do...

Typical Jaw Juh stupidity...

HailtotheChimp · 8 months ago

Get your facts straight. It's not UGA fans or the admin that are discussing this. It's the Atlanta Sports Council that brought it up. UGA fans love going to Jax even though the game is usually shitty for our side.

Kevin @ Fanblogs · 8 months ago

Actually there is a notable block of Georgia fans that have been suggesting a change for the last few years. One of the Georgia blogs suggesting it was linked above, and their are plenty of folks on UGASports & Dawgvent that are pushing for the change.

fosterkeats · 8 months ago

Get YOUR facts straight...

Ramblin' Gator · 8 months ago

Giving credit where it's due...

I frequently complain about what a craptastic newspaper we have here in Orlando and don't recall singing praises for the good papers in Florida. This thread is based on a good article from a great paper: The Florida Times-Union. My other favorite Florida-based paper is The St. Petersburg Times. The Tampa Tribune, The Miami Herald, and The Tallahassee Democrat are the rest of the best in this state. These papers make me hope that print media survives.

Zac · 8 months ago

What ever decision is made will be made based upon one premise: It'll be that option which best monetarily benefits ALL parties, especially those promoting the game. So the question remains, if this series works, why fix it?

Speaking of games, I suppose I can understand the desire for many a GA fan to have the game played in Georgia, say every other year. It's only fair that FL fans be made to travel their fair share, as opposed to making GA fans travel EVERY year. That said, if the complaints are because lately FL has had the upper hand, that's just plain silly. Series like this are cyclic. There will be times that some teams just have it over other teams; then, it turns around. Look at the series between Maryland & WVU. If ever there was a text-book, sea-saw series that's one of em. GA fans need to be patient and take solace in knowing that all things will pass. Even Tim Tebow, and what he brings to the game, will pass in time.

gatorhippy · 8 months ago

FYI, Donny...

There are plenty of both Georgia and Florida season ticket holders that do not receive tickets for the WLOCP...

They are not included in either schools' season ticket package and must be purchased seperately...

I don't know about UGAly, but at UF there is point sytem in place that determines eligibility for purchase of the tix for this particular game along with the ability to purchase tickets for away games, SEC CG and bowl games...

The order form for Away tickets and the WLOCP come seperately in May after all season ticket orders have been verified and is sent to ALL season ticket holders...

Any Dawgs out there that can shed any light on the method of aquirement and availability of tix for the WLOCP?

TampaGator · 8 months ago

Interestingly, this series was moved to Jacksonville just prior to the Great Depression--and while other neutral site marquee matchups, such as USC-Notre Dame (played at Soldier's filed in Chicago, among other places), saw attendence drop off significantly due to the Grt Dep'n--FL UGA THRIVED in Jacksonville, notwithstanding the economic circumstances.

FL-GA in Jacksonville is a beautiful and storied tradition--even when UGA ruled the series. I'd hate to see it change.


GO GATORS!!

HailtotheChimp · 8 months ago

Most of the fans wanting to leave Jax are not season ticket holders and probably not alums. They see a yearly butt kicking and blame it on the proximity to Gainesville. The guys in red and black wet themselves at the sight of the gators and that can happen in Jax, Atlanta, Gainesville or Athens. I know of one season ticketholder who wants to switch to a home and home. Yeah I know, small sample size but read Westerdawg or Kyle you'll see it's a tiny minority that wants to leave Jax for Atlanta.

thebuckstopshere · 8 months ago

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TigerEducated · 8 months ago

If only buckstopshere's team could roll up the Gators like he did on this thread...They might've been the 1st team to 2 BCS Trophies...

Nice work, gents...Quality...

thebuckstopshere · 8 months ago

I guess Smith and company just didn't possess that passion for the game that I have.....

gatorhippy · 8 months ago

Really, my dough covered weinerish friend?

Where have we been "rolled up"?

The_Observer · 8 months ago

"my dough covered weinerish friend"

I'm gonna use that!

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 8 months ago

TE is more 'batter-dipped'...

Ramblin' Gator · 7 months ago

...and deep fried - this is the south, after all.

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 7 months ago

How else do you prepare corndogs? Pan-seared?

:-)

Ramblin' Gator · 7 months ago

On a related tangent...

The party I attended last night (the one where I got a smooch from Lucy) had deep fried Oreos. I'd never had them before, but I'm addicted now.

gatorhippy · 7 months ago

I agree, WEAtl...

"Batter-dipped" is certainly more appropriate in regards to him...

Especially the "dip" part...

thebuckstopshere · 8 months ago

You weren’t, not after going on your rendezvous.....errr.. trip you have re-grouped and came on strong well at least you did TG is still incoherent in his responses........

It definitely seems like you returned from your escapade.....err.... trip rejuvenated.

Tell me did you "bump" into anyone you know????

gatorhippy · 7 months ago

I know I wasn't, Sweater Vest...

And I see that above you have finally admitted you were speaking of what you know not of while presenting a slew of false facts in your stuttering and stumbling attempt to back it up...

Any other broad generalizations you'd like to float so I can pop them too?

Or have I worked you over to a point that all you have left is homo-phobic insinuations (fantasies?) of TG and myself...

thebuckstopshere · 7 months ago

Is that what I admitted too?

I thought I was saying I would give it a second chance and maybe you convinced me that when people die during this event its of their own accord and not due to the mayhem inspired by the WLOCP.

False facts?
The only thing I misstated was how and where two people died. I got the two mixed up, after that I posted the article and admitted I had it backwards. What else would you like me to do to clarify that?

But hey don't answer that last question....
I'm sure any response I could think of would just be a slew of stuttering, stumbling misguided notions......

Gee thanks for being cordial AFTER I basically concede the argument....

@SSHOLE...

gatorhippy · 7 months ago

Bama/Florida St. generated just as much money last year and the city didn't have half the problems.

This is factually wrong...

A perusal of the arrest records on the Duval County Sherriff's Dept. Crimefinder shows less arrests for assault/battery within a half mile radius of the Landings for the UF/UGA game in 2007 than for the Nole/Bammer contest...

Again, you are broadly uninformed and flat wrong in most instances that have been placed here...

And got called out accordingly...

Deal with it...

And again with the profanity and in all caps no less...

Classy, nutboy, real classy...

But you keep posting on this and I'll keep peeling your layers off...

thebuckstopshere · 7 months ago

WOW your stamina on this issue has no end.

I got called out for what???

Your interpreting something a certain way and then trying to superimpose that onto me.

This whole argument has been more about you twisting my words and me clarifying or reiterating certain points that you refuse to acknowledge.

The whole thing is really getting old....

I would prefer not to debate with someone who is so close minded.

But apparently you can't just let it go... but trust me I'm not going anywhere (especially not trips to meet TG, I'm sure he appreciates your stamina).

Let's take the little tidbit of info you called me out on above and illustrate how close minded you can be.

When I say half the problems it could mean any number of things. Maybe it's the increase in public safety personal that's required, maybe it's the number of deaths that have been associated with the event, maybe it's all the damm traffic. The point is you didn't bother asking me what it is I meant you just took one possible aspect of what I said and attempted to call foul while conveniently ignoring any other angles. Now I admitted I may have been looking at things from a skewed vantage point. But you cannot admit the same thing???

Here to save you trouble from going back and taking my words out of context or whatever it is you are going to try and do if and when you respond, I'm going to issue a retractment of my original statement regarding the WLOCP and issue a new one.

In regards to the WLOCP possibly leaving Jacksonville.....
I, a local resident and college football fan am of the opinion that while the game is rooted in a long standing tradition and has been greatly successful from a economic standpoint it may be time to reassess the negative social implications this event has seem to harbored and whether the good out weights the bad.

That statement seems rather boring does it not? We all are trying to be color commentators on here and my fist post was an example of this.

But i'll just keep it plain and simple if people are going to go on a freaking crusade if I attempt to put a personal spin on things.

I hope your arrogance hasn't got you in over your head here because Im like Shrek when it comes to layers....

Good luck.....

@sshole....

no caps is that more classy?
only for you tree huger.....

gatorhippy · 7 months ago

I've read your comments verbatim all along using the points you provided...

I haven't "twisted" one thing, bub, but took them at face value the way you typed them...

You can be colorful and say what you mean...

Increase in public safety personnel?

Hardly more needed for the UF/UGA game than any other contest played at ALLTELL specifically the Nole/Bammer game that actually had a slightly higher attendance...

Number of deaths associated with the event?

We've already seen that only one that you have mentioned was free of the local yokel involvement...

If you have more please feel free to tell us about them but lets please use the examples involving UF on UGA violence that led to it and not instigated by local hoodlums...

The traffic?

Looking at the recomendations and ops plans posted online by the DCSD in all events involving large events in the stadium and downtown area and its largely the same...

As a matter of fact, there was MORE concern of traffic according to the DCSD for the Nole/Bammer contest given that the vast majority was perceived as to those particular visitors not knowing the annual routine...

Now had you perhaps thought about it a bit and posted your retractment in the first place we would be having a totally different tone of discussion as it's not full of gross generalizations and false statements...

Rather than refuting that the UF/UGA Classic is what is turning JAX into another ATL and having to point out that largely the instances to which you referred had nothing to do with the game and were either perpetuated by JAX residents or the fault of irresponsible alcohol service...

We could have had a more civil discussion on the economic impact and the worth of the event overall for the JAX community at large and what the largely terrific hospitality provided by the city of JAX means to students, alumni and fans of both institutions who attend this game annually whether for the first time or for the sixtieth time and have watched the area surrounding the stadium become ever more dangerous over the years as JAX has grown larger and become more and more infested with the issues that plague large cities such as ATL...

So with out further ado, I'll go ahead and finallly get around to making MY point now...

The DCSD has increasingly worked with both universities as the conditions of the city have deteriorated and crime has escalated especially in the neighborhoods in the downtown area...

As well as that in my experience in attending this game for for over thirty years (not consecutively mind you, as I missed a few in the Eighties and Nineties) has been that it has annually seen improved behavior as I pointed out above and nowhere resembles the free for all moniker that the World's Largest Outdoor Cocktail party had been famous for in the past...

This is largely due to both the Universities and the CoJax working together over the years to improve the safety of the environment for visitors and residents alike...

I would also question the notion of taking money out of the pockets of hard working Jax citizens by removing a 15 - 25 million dollar annual boon to the city's economy given the state of the economic situation we are facing currently...

Also, Jax just lost the ACC CG to Tampa/Charlotte which means one less large money influx per year as it is...

Picking up the FSU/Bama contest was excellent for city residents that work in the hospitality & service industry and followed by the Noles contest with Colorado this past season...

Having this type of tourism is vital to JAX as it is largely the only type of tourism that generates these type of numbers flowing into the pockets of not just many Greater Metro JAX residents but trickling out to surrounding communities such as St. Augustine providing them with an influx of tourism dollars as well...

In all honesty, I'm willing to blindly bet even the Jaguars 8 home games combined don't provide the amount of tourism dollars that the Gator Bowl, UF/UGA, FSU/?? and formerly the ACC CG provide in the four weekends combined they are played...

Though I could be wrong...

My opinion were I CoJAX resident would be to continue to look at these past tragic isolated incidents and work with all involved at the administrative level to delve into what we can do to make it safer and continue to keep these enormous sources of revenue flowing into town...

My opinion as a long time attendee of this game is that it doesn't really matter to me whether it is in JAX, ATL or rotated between campuses because I'll still attend the game regardless of where it is just as I did when ALLTELL was being remodeled...

And honestly, if you don't want your opinion to be questioned, commented on or torn apart I would suggest you not post it in a public forum...

I think you are confusing "arrogance" for "confidence" and I assure you I'm not in over my head in any way, shape or form...

I'm here for discussion, argument and debate and conduct myself in largely the same manner I would were we standing in an auditorium behind opposing podiums...

Your statements are more and more beginning to resemble another periodic poster here that has largely the same issues you do when the discussion isn't going the way he wants it to as he's getting verbally flogged...

Profane name calling and homosexual (phobic?) inferences like a middle schooler...

None of which bothers me nor does it do anything to solidify your position...

It's simple really...

As I said before you keep posting the drivel and apparently "read between the lines for my real meanin" comments and I'll keep calling you out...

I can go on and on...

It's up to you...

And do you really think calling me a tree hugger bothers me?

thebuckstopshere · 7 months ago

I don't know does it? Do you think I was trying to bother you?

Your comments took on a derogatory tone way before mine. I just followed suit and didn't bother being subtle about it.

LOL, you say you haven't taken anything out of context and then you proceed to do exactly that.

You went on a whole spiel about the traffic being the same, and the use of city personnel not being a factor and so on and so on....

I was never arguing those point's they were merely examples of other things I could have been talking about when I said "the city didn't have half the problems" but what do you do? You take those EXAMPLES quote me on them and then proceed to argue them when they were never my positions to begin with. Do you see how this can be aggravating for me when I have to defend myself against things I haven't stated, but you think I have????

I do notice you didn't have an argument for the people dying thingy where is your defense there? Oh wait I remember you did have a rebuttal its that it was Jax residence running around killing people and so that makes the WLOCP innocent. If you feel that way great, try convincing that guys family the WLOCP didn't have anything to do with it because they think it did......

But thank god you finally have decided to post your opinion. How kind of you to give me a chance to discredit you and everything you say. Now that your behind the cue ball let's see how long you stick around.

1. "the conditions of the city have deteriorated and crime has escalated especially in the neighborhoods in the downtown area..."

Not True.
Springfield, Riverside, and San Marco the areas surrounding downtown have for the past few years enjoyed relatively low crime rates. Springfield specifically in the last few years has done an almost 180. The crime and drugs were driven north of the MLK expressway and people have moved in and invested in the property there. I have worked with a number of contractors and private investors who have dealings in this area and my guess would be that in a few years Springfield will be comparable to the San Marco/Riverside communities. Which I’m sure you know are very nice....

So if your stance is that these unfortunate events that transpire during the WLOCP are simply due to the area gradually succumbing to an increase of local crime you would be wrong my friend. And you can go to JSO crime stats pull up the map and check these areas year by year if you don't believe me. So despite what you have stated, downtown is safer now than it was 5 years ago. Not quit the crime trend you alluded to.

2. It hasn't been called ALLTELL stadium in awhile where have you been?

Anyways we agree with the economic impact being good for the city. I don't know how much of that St. Augustine ever gets their hands on. Ponte Vedra and the Beaches would have been a better example, as I’m sure they see more of an influx than St. Augustine.

But don't be fooled into thinking that game can't be replaced or is "vital" to Jacksonvilles economy. The money it brings in is just a fraction of the overall tourism dollars for the area and that industry itself is not even close to being one of the major industries VITAL to Jax.

First and foremost we are a transportation hub with a seaport that's only second to New York's. We have four airports, three major rails, and a highway system that links us to three major interstates. The logistical prospects of the area have attracted a huge manufacturing presence to Jacksonville. Next on the list would be the naval air stations. Jacksonville has a massive military force third in the country to be exact. These bases contribute over 6.1 billion annually to the local economy. I could keep going and make your assertion that the WLOCP is vital to Jacksovilles economy just seem idiotic. I think I will.... Lets see….. Hell the film industry has a bigger impact, the filming of the Manchurian Candidate alone contributed 99mil to the local economy. And Jacksonville works hard to become an attractive production option for films, tv shows, and commercials. So don't believe for a second that the so called WLOCP isn't expendable. Believe it or not the world doesn't revolve around CFB....

Ok now your assertions are just getting embarrassing and its clear you stated a few opinions about something you knew very little about.

Sound familiar?

gatorhippy · 7 months ago

Tell you what...

I'll give you a chance to go back and correct yourself this time before I dive in and pick that apart...