I really don't think the Gator fans have anything to worry about. Weis is not going anywhere (as if THAT's news) this year, and Urby's mother, I mean wife, won't let him leave Florida.
Mr2Bits
· 11 months ago
:Deadhorse:
TampaGator
· 11 months ago
It's recruiting season...
They're gonna' prop that dead horse's carcass up and parade her all over the place, at least until national signing day!
GO GATORS!!
Zac
· 11 months ago
Given he's talking about a possible move sometime "...way down the road," I don't see what all the fuss is about. When Weiss has finally worn out his welcom at ND, only then will the Irish come-a look'n for Meyer. Till then, all ye gator-mates be ye en-jeye'n yeerselves. ARRRRRRRR!!!
OU_Ron
· 11 months ago
I don't guess there is any chance that Urban could leave along with Mullen before the championship game.......no, I didn't think so....just a happy thought while dreaming about crystal..
FSU_Ben
· 11 months ago
It can't happen soon enough. That said I think we are two or three years out unless Weis is actually a good coach. In that case I don't think Notre Dame will want Meyer (after a long weis era that I really don't forsee) because he will be coming there to retire and Lou Holtz, Steve Spurrier, and Bobby Bowden have at least shown me that coaches do have an expiration date. I think he needs to jump ship if that is really his dream job AS SOON as Weis is cut loose but I think he knows that and that is exactly what he intends to do. I think he is relived to get another season at Florida with Weis still on FireWatch though because I don't think he wants to go right now.
Skip1
· 11 months ago
I agree--Meyer must be ecstatic that Weis is staying on. Ideally, Charlie will muddle through a couple more decent seasons and then do some huge belly flop like losing to Navy (oops, already happened). It sounds like this match is destined to happen.
Tom_Blogical
· 11 months ago
Perhaps a "Meyer to ND Countdown Clock" should be added to the empty, white space beside "fanblogs.com" in the header at the top of the blog...
:-)
Ben Prather
· 11 months ago
How old is his youngest kid? 12?
Set the clock for 6 years.
Tom_Blogical
· 11 months ago
LOL!
Zac
· 11 months ago
We could set up a pool. Everybody pitch in 5 bucks; pick the season you think he's gonna go to ND or the season ND offers him the job; winner buys the beer.
Tom_Blogical
· 11 months ago
As long as it's not Natty Lite, I'm there. ;-)
Zac
· 11 months ago
Funny stuff, TB!
Ramblin' Gator
· 11 months ago
How about a countdown clock for the next "Meyer to ND Article on Fanblogs"? You could set the clock to two weeks every time there is a fresh article and it might never reach zero.
Tom_Blogical
· 11 months ago
Two weeks...that's almost as long as Weis waits for a Big Buford at Rally's, right? (I'm sorry, that was over the top, but I just couldn't help myself...)
Zac
· 11 months ago
See my reply immediately above...
gosu27
· 11 months ago
A Pete Carrol-Urban Meyer matchup every season would be awesome!
FSU_Ben
· 11 months ago
You know, I have to agree. I hate them both so there would always be the pleasure of seeing one lose and I am pretty much numb by now of seeing them win.
SirSmokeAlot
· 11 months ago
Personally, I wouldn't leave Florida for Notre Dame, but if that's what the man wants, then it's probably his for the asking. If he does go then hopefully he's not too successful or they may fire him at Notre Dame-LOL
FSU_Ben
· 11 months ago
I think it was Lou Holtz that said due to Notre Dame's Academic standards they will never be a national powerhouse. Either this AD or the last one said something about the scholarship reduction (to whatever it is now 80-85? from like 90) was hurting notre dame (what better way to stay elite than to just bogart all the good talent even if you aren't using it). I tend to go with Lou Holtz's argument as being a possible partial reason but really when you can recruit nationally you should be able to get the people you want. There is plenty of smart talent out there that does well in school (since smart doesn't necessarily equate to performance). I think they need a good coach and I don't think they have one. Not every school can maintain academic standards and remain competetive at 1-A but if ANYONE can do it, Notre Dame can. That said many of the old football elites that want to be academic eliteists (anyone watching higher education these days might note nearly all schools are trying to become "elite" with a few proprietarial exceptions) have just moved to division III or are the equivelent of that (I think Ivy league's don't give athletic scholarships either but are still division I). Personally I think it smacks of eliteism and maybe a smidge of racism.
Anyways my point is Urban might be what Notre Dame needs. You must have a supremely experienced (and skilled) recruiter first and foremost at this program.
Skip1
· 11 months ago
As one of those Ivy League snobs--your contention that not offering athletic scholarships is elitist or even racist (!) is ridiculous. The school I am affiliated with has need-blind admissions in which ability to pay plays NO role in the admittance process. Our admissions office forms the best class possible and then financial aid ponies up however much is necessary. Additionally, there are no student loans, only grants, and a majority of students receive some kind of aid. If aiming for a student body that excels both athletically AND academically without regard to cost is negative and "elitist" then so be it, but I don't know how you can make that argument with a straight face.
I do think that our football teams should be allowed to play in the I-AA playoffs, but that's a discussion for a different time.
FSU_Ben
· 11 months ago
What you are probably missing is that you can give an athletic scholarship with the same academic requirements so why not give the athletic scholarship? Why would you make the scholarships academic only? Because you are better than schools that offer Athletic Scholarships? Eliteism. Even making your academic requirements so high that you can no longer compete in the arena of college football is eliteism. I don't single out the Ivies for Racism but looking at some of the southern schools that took a step back and when they took a step back does look suspicous. The high academic standards at Ivy League schools themselves are indications of Eliteism. We are too good for most people! Standards = eliteism. Bragging about average SAT scores of a class that is coming in 2 years down the road serves what purpose? That is right, Eliteism. I understand alumni who want thier degrees to be worth more or a president who wants to run a more prestigious university but I am unclear how you can argue with the contention that it is eliteist, that is afterall, the whole entire point. "We are too good to give out Athletic Scholarships leave that to the State Schools"
Saying you don't need to be good at college football or that being good is beneath your school -- eliteism! Not even trying to compete when your school invented the sport (In the case of Harvard) -- sad eliteism.
Practically insulating yourself with a 10 game season in an 8 team conference because you don't want to lose to aforementioned state schools and have to swallow the fact you now suck -- eliteism.
Believe me when I say I am trying to find some rose colored glasses so I can take another look at it but I just can't seem to find your angle.
I like the approach that state schools have that there is more than one way to get in the school, seeing as so few people truely excel both academically and athletically (and it hardly seems fair that any do says my unathletic self!). A good portion of football players at SEC (for example -- FSU, Clemson are similar) schools would not get in academically. I don't think you can strive for diversity and cherry pick the good students both (diversity is more than the color of skin), and having alternate routes to achieve life goals is wonderful. But then the Ivies are too good to even give a scholarship on Athletic grounds let alone give a helping hand to someone who simply got a poor education from a crummy public school (for instance).
Skip1
· 11 months ago
"The high academic standards at Ivy League schools themselves are indications of Eliteism."
I want some of what you're smoking.
More generally, is it really the job of the nation's top universities to admit people who are not academically qualified? The key word in your post is "school." These are institutions of higher education that also have sports teams. Harvard is not and should not be a football factory. That seems to be what you want to turn it into, however, by telling them to admit unqualified students when there are thousands of people with great grades, great SAT scores, and great extracurriculars who get rejected every year. I guess they should reduce their 10% admit rate for "normal" people to 8% so they can bring in a few Randy Moss types to jazz up the campus and crack the top 5 in the Div I-AA rankings. WTF?
By the way, these "elitist" Ivy League and D-III schools are the ones that actually have a wide variety of men's sports programs because of their reasonable attitude toward athletics at the collegiate level. FSU and schools like it have placed such a huge emphasis on football that males who want to wrestle or play soccer at the varsity level are SOL. Apparently football is more important than those other sports. How....elitist.
FSU_Ben
· 11 months ago
I said you could do this and maintain the same academic standards (give athletic scholarships. I suggested this was possible (at least at Notre Dame) in my very first post. We are too good to give athletic scholarships is what makes me mad. Requireing that same SAT-ACT score and GPA is fine but picking the kids for athletic (not just football) abilities over otherwise equal college kids who might have some other extra ciricular. Harvard as you stated gets the pick of the litter I think the could still remain competetive but would need to make the sale to recruits as an athletic scholarship. Saying no one cares about football because you just don't need it... I care about Ivy football programs that really popularized my favorite sport and that is why I brought it up.
Skip1
· 11 months ago
I do want to agree in part with the positive spin about providing an alternate route to college for people who 1) want to go to school and 2) take advantage of school. Michael Oher is a prime example of that and it is great that Ole Miss has given him a chance to get a university education, even if he gets a watered-down version. But again, I don't think it's the job of the US News top 10 to educate someone like Oher--it is their job to put together academically qualified student bodies diverse in economic class, race, religious faith, family background, life experience, etc. Athletic recruits get an advantage, but only if they can be expected to handle the coursework.
TampaGator
· 11 months ago
LAMO!!!
It's called MERIT....not elitism (let alone racism). Harvard, Yale, Princeton, etc., did not raise their standards in order to weed out football players--the standards rose as matter of supply and demand--i.e. natural market forces--the demand for positions in their schools rose such that they have the LUXURY of chooing the best STUDENTS, based on MERIT (as the supply--available positions--remained relatively stable).
The fact that they elect not to compromise their academic standards just to field a great football team, means that they appreciate the force that drove that demand to the level it is--ACADEMIC REPUTATION.
Perhaps it will help you to understand this revolutionary concept in terms of money: Harvard's endowment is in excess of $34 BILLION (B, not M); Yale is approximately $28+ Billion, and on and on; the "elitist" academic programs make WAY MORE MONEY--through the fruits of academic investments--research grants, donations, etc.,--than your most profitable football factories.
To illustrate, let's look at Mighty Notre Dame, the most profitable of the FB factories, since we're talk'n about Notre Dame in this thread anyway--ND has an endowment of approximately $6.5 Billion. That's pretty much the highest endowment among FB "factories" you'll find (for further perspective, FSU has about $550 million; Miami about $740 Million, UF about 1.2 Billion).
Picture starting to come into focus for you there, chief?
As for racism--that's pretty damn reckless of you, to be throwing that around with no basis whatsoever (...and be very careful hou you proceed, if you feel so inclined--are you suggesting for a second, that minorities are incapable of meeting the adacemic standards as they have evolved among the elite institutions? Your own Mr. Rolle might take exception to that insinuation....nevermind that the president elect of these United States is rather conspicously both a miniority and a product of one of those "elitist" institutions...).
One last point: Harvard did not "invent" FB; the game originated in Ohio--the first game played at the collegiate level--was played between Rutgers and Princeton (at Rutgers) in New Jersey.
Sweet bettina, son...
GO GATORS!!
PrinceMarko
· 11 months ago
You're right.
Harvard, Princeton, MIT, Yale make so much money on spinoff companies in the technology field that football is a passing thought.
Zac
· 11 months ago
Shoot, the interest on Harvard's endowments alone for 2008 were said to be almost $4 B. Who needs football? (Oh, that was blasphemous!)
FSU_Ben
· 11 months ago
Racism was the reason, I was suggesting, that certain programs who could no longer be competetive (in the south I stipulated) moved to 0 scholarship status (Div III). If I was forced to name names I would say Sewanee and Centre who were once very competetive in football. I don't say for certain but these were basically decesions made 30 years before the end of Jim Crow that I am talking about. I am not saying these places participate in institutional racism today. Perhaps I should have been more clear about that and I appologize.
I am not suggesting these schools play football to make money. There is a lot of history to the mentioned programs and I think it is sad that they don't participate anymore. As to endowments we are like the second smallest in the ACC I think. There are some big endowments but they don't have anything to do with football. Florida has like the biggest in the SEC. I knew all this endowment stuff and don't see what it has to do with my point. Rice has a decently large endowment especially comparative to student body size and they still play Div-I (FB S) football.
Also the way football is played now was established by the schools Harvard and McGill you would hardly call what rutgers played football were you sitting on the sideline. Mcgill standardized the Canadian Rules of football and Harvard standardized the American rules as each used thier own rules in this home/away series. If we wanted to be as broad as you would define football then yes your rutgers princeton game was 5 years earlier. The Aztecs also played a game like soccer but we aren't saying they invented that are we? The native americans that lived here in Tallahassee played some game that was similar to football perhaps it was really invented here?
TampaGator
· 11 months ago
Deleted.
TampaGator
· 11 months ago
Harvard doesn't play football anymore???? That's news.
First Gatorade, now the Seminoles invented football too?
Are you perhaps kin to Al Gore?
Just curious....
GO GATORS!!
PrinceMarko
· 11 months ago
Meyer will go when Tebow goes.
If they win another championship this year, there is little else to play for in the coming years. When Tebow leaves, his offense leaves with him. It would be a wise choice to leave to a program like Notre Dame rather than start from scratch and taint his legacy at UF.
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They're gonna' prop that dead horse's carcass up and parade her all over the place, at least until national signing day!
GO GATORS!!
:-)
Set the clock for 6 years.
Anyways my point is Urban might be what Notre Dame needs. You must have a supremely experienced (and skilled) recruiter first and foremost at this program.
I do think that our football teams should be allowed to play in the I-AA playoffs, but that's a discussion for a different time.
Saying you don't need to be good at college football or that being good is beneath your school -- eliteism! Not even trying to compete when your school invented the sport (In the case of Harvard) -- sad eliteism.
Practically insulating yourself with a 10 game season in an 8 team conference because you don't want to lose to aforementioned state schools and have to swallow the fact you now suck -- eliteism.
Believe me when I say I am trying to find some rose colored glasses so I can take another look at it but I just can't seem to find your angle.
I like the approach that state schools have that there is more than one way to get in the school, seeing as so few people truely excel both academically and athletically (and it hardly seems fair that any do says my unathletic self!). A good portion of football players at SEC (for example -- FSU, Clemson are similar) schools would not get in academically. I don't think you can strive for diversity and cherry pick the good students both (diversity is more than the color of skin), and having alternate routes to achieve life goals is wonderful. But then the Ivies are too good to even give a scholarship on Athletic grounds let alone give a helping hand to someone who simply got a poor education from a crummy public school (for instance).
I want some of what you're smoking.
More generally, is it really the job of the nation's top universities to admit people who are not academically qualified? The key word in your post is "school." These are institutions of higher education that also have sports teams. Harvard is not and should not be a football factory. That seems to be what you want to turn it into, however, by telling them to admit unqualified students when there are thousands of people with great grades, great SAT scores, and great extracurriculars who get rejected every year. I guess they should reduce their 10% admit rate for "normal" people to 8% so they can bring in a few Randy Moss types to jazz up the campus and crack the top 5 in the Div I-AA rankings. WTF?
By the way, these "elitist" Ivy League and D-III schools are the ones that actually have a wide variety of men's sports programs because of their reasonable attitude toward athletics at the collegiate level. FSU and schools like it have placed such a huge emphasis on football that males who want to wrestle or play soccer at the varsity level are SOL. Apparently football is more important than those other sports. How....elitist.
It's called MERIT....not elitism (let alone racism). Harvard, Yale, Princeton, etc., did not raise their standards in order to weed out football players--the standards rose as matter of supply and demand--i.e. natural market forces--the demand for positions in their schools rose such that they have the LUXURY of chooing the best STUDENTS, based on MERIT (as the supply--available positions--remained relatively stable).
The fact that they elect not to compromise their academic standards just to field a great football team, means that they appreciate the force that drove that demand to the level it is--ACADEMIC REPUTATION.
Perhaps it will help you to understand this revolutionary concept in terms of money: Harvard's endowment is in excess of $34 BILLION (B, not M); Yale is approximately $28+ Billion, and on and on; the "elitist" academic programs make WAY MORE MONEY--through the fruits of academic investments--research grants, donations, etc.,--than your most profitable football factories.
To illustrate, let's look at Mighty Notre Dame, the most profitable of the FB factories, since we're talk'n about Notre Dame in this thread anyway--ND has an endowment of approximately $6.5 Billion. That's pretty much the highest endowment among FB "factories" you'll find (for further perspective, FSU has about $550 million; Miami about $740 Million, UF about 1.2 Billion).
Picture starting to come into focus for you there, chief?
As for racism--that's pretty damn reckless of you, to be throwing that around with no basis whatsoever (...and be very careful hou you proceed, if you feel so inclined--are you suggesting for a second, that minorities are incapable of meeting the adacemic standards as they have evolved among the elite institutions? Your own Mr. Rolle might take exception to that insinuation....nevermind that the president elect of these United States is rather conspicously both a miniority and a product of one of those "elitist" institutions...).
One last point: Harvard did not "invent" FB; the game originated in Ohio--the first game played at the collegiate level--was played between Rutgers and Princeton (at Rutgers) in New Jersey.
Sweet bettina, son...
GO GATORS!!
Harvard, Princeton, MIT, Yale make so much money on spinoff companies in the technology field that football is a passing thought.
I am not suggesting these schools play football to make money. There is a lot of history to the mentioned programs and I think it is sad that they don't participate anymore. As to endowments we are like the second smallest in the ACC I think. There are some big endowments but they don't have anything to do with football. Florida has like the biggest in the SEC. I knew all this endowment stuff and don't see what it has to do with my point. Rice has a decently large endowment especially comparative to student body size and they still play Div-I (FB S) football.
Also the way football is played now was established by the schools Harvard and McGill you would hardly call what rutgers played football were you sitting on the sideline. Mcgill standardized the Canadian Rules of football and Harvard standardized the American rules as each used thier own rules in this home/away series. If we wanted to be as broad as you would define football then yes your rutgers princeton game was 5 years earlier. The Aztecs also played a game like soccer but we aren't saying they invented that are we? The native americans that lived here in Tallahassee played some game that was similar to football perhaps it was really invented here?
First Gatorade, now the Seminoles invented football too?
Are you perhaps kin to Al Gore?
Just curious....
GO GATORS!!
If they win another championship this year, there is little else to play for in the coming years. When Tebow leaves, his offense leaves with him. It would be a wise choice to leave to a program like Notre Dame rather than start from scratch and taint his legacy at UF.