Fanblogs.com: Mountain West to makes its case for BCS status
4cornerz
· 10 months ago
MWC needs an automatic BCS berth.
Cougar_Fan
· 10 months ago
Yep, I'm feeling pretty good about our chances to make another statement in 2009. The MWC should finish ahead of the Big East again, and should get another team in the BCS, I'm predicting that team to be TCU. They've got a good schedule and shouldn't run into any trouble until they play BYU and Utah, plus they get a lot of good players back along with a solid recruiting class. Utah could make a huge statement early against Oregon, and BYU, well they have a killer schedule, I'm hoping for the best but Oklahoma and Florida State are both going to be major hurdles (if they can win one of those they'll be in good shape).
Ben Prather
· 10 months ago
We are on the path but not their yet. Maybe if Utah had sold out their Sugar Bowl allotment before going to the general public the argument would be stronger...
If the MWC (or any other conference that schedules half its OOC games vs BCS conference members) can continue to win 2/3 of its OOC games it will cross the line. From where it sits now that can be in 2011 if Boise State is added or 2012 otherwise.
Boise State would also help significantly in maintaing a 2/3 OOC average.
In that same interview the MWC indicated it would only accept Boise State if it were guaranteed BCS status. In my opinion that is the wrong attitude at this time.
vtmechE
· 10 months ago
thats not a "wrong" attitude, that just gives them more leverage, by adding a team with tradition, and keeping the pac-10 from taking utah/byu/boise st, hurts the wac, especially since boise st is the wac's strongest team, both in popularity and on field prowess, the time would be now for boise st to make the move, they already have in the back of their minds, the reason they didn't make the bcs this year, wac's weaker schedule,
however, its unlikely they'll leave without fresno st, and could mean the mwc add a 12th team to their roster for a championship game, and added profits
Tom22
· 10 months ago
Unless I’ve missed something, I don’t think any talk about a Pac-Ten expansion is the least bit viable.
There must be somewhere near 40 or more sports (men and women’s) varsity sports. Do the basketball, water polo, volley ball, baseball, soccer, wrestling etc teams want another 2 teams in the conference if they currently compete by conference? Does Utah even compete at the same level in those other sports?
I love college football but its not the be all and end all in collegiate athletics.
Tom22
· 10 months ago
looks like it might only be 22 sports
vtmechE
· 10 months ago
the pac10 won't expand due to their "academic" standards and tradition (why bc is in the acc and not another southern school), most of the schools in the mwc and wac are young, have been playing football for a short time compared to everyone else, and don't have the rigorous academics the pac10 wants, hence hawaii's current exclusion, but geographic fit
however, rumors swirled about with utah and byu wanting to get in, and the pac10 considering the option, however, with the possibility of boise joining, it'd make the mwc stronger, and allow the utah schools to stay in the mwc
Clemson_Joe
· 10 months ago
"the pac10 won't expand due to their "academic" standards..."
Then what is Oregon State doing in the Pac 10?
By the way, Brigham Young and Utah both outrank Oregon State in the current rankings.
Zac
· 10 months ago
BC is in the ACC because the ACC wanted in on that big Boston TV market. The "standards & tradition" things are merely ancillary benefits. Realistically & geographically, had BC remained in the Big East, it would have made much more sense. But, it what it is.
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 10 months ago
You don't have to subscribe to the whole cable package in a conference. You can buy individual channels, like basketball and football.
For example, Notre Dame competes in the Big East for roundball but not football. You'll have to research the badmitton and report back!
Ben Prather
· 10 months ago
1) The PAC 10 WAC and MWC already compete together under an umbrella group in most olympic sports
2) The only sport the PAC 10 has a chapionship for that Utah does not field is a crew team
3) Some pac 10 teams do not participate in some sports.
4) We offer a woman's gymnastics and a coed ski team second to none. Our basketball is okay, but not the sweet 16 regular we once were and feel we should be getting back to.
grover
· 10 months ago
So what BCS bowl would be the traditional tie in for the MWC winner in the year the champion is not ranked #1 or #2?
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 10 months ago
How about that Compter bowl in beautiful and blue Boise?
vtmechE
· 10 months ago
likely, the holiday bowl will gain some momentum and become the bcs bowl, most mwc schools played as wac schools in holiday bowls past, including national champs byu, and wyoming
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 10 months ago
Nobody going to jump on the Compter Bowl?
Regan
· 10 months ago
Juggling too many balls, right now, WEA, hopefully will have time to be the Grammar Nazi next week. :-)
Regan-Thanks Man I don't really know what I saw, but I enjoyed it all the same. Is this your creation? All you Base Are belong to us- Aleins grammer-?
Kevin @ Fanblogs
· 10 months ago
Tomcat - you gotta catch up to the 90s, bro.
1Tomcat
· 10 months ago
Thanks Kev- instead of I need to get out more. BTW off the subject completely Fanblogs has been somewhat educational for yours truley guess I ought to take some courses and create my own B/S videos Now back to CFB Hookem-Horns Sicem-Bears- beat the H outa OU
Regan
· 10 months ago
Yeah, there was a game called 'Zero Wing' in 1989 for Sega I think. The game was rushed and the Korean programmers skimped on the translation, going directly from Korean to English without proper syntax, etc.
That is honestly the dialogue from the game. As far as the video and images, that's someone else's genius. :)
Zac
· 10 months ago
So, tell me, was the guy staring at the road & scratching his head saying, "Great Googly Moogly!"?
Bevo_Boy
· 10 months ago
I thought it was ok if the title of the thread had a typo?
Kevin @ Fanblogs
· 10 months ago
If I understand your question - that of conference tie-in, correct? - then I think the question is really moot. The Big East, for example, does not have an tie-in, so there is a precedent for no tie-in. The most likely candidate geographically would be the Fiesta, but... the BigXII isn't going to stand for that, I don't think.
A lot of things are "on the way" to happening. For example, that dude in SF has been standing there with his "The End is Coming" sign for like 20 years. Hasn't happened yet, but it is "on the way". ;-)
Ben Prather
· 10 months ago
I mostly agree with Kevin on this one. The MWC would be tied to the Fiesta Bowl about like the Big East is tied to the Orange Bowl.
The Cotton Bowl is formally requesting to become a BCS bowl. Personally I think this should only be granted if the Big 12 wants to change their championship tie-in, turning towards the roots of its SWC members.
If that happens the Pointsettia Bowl showed that a battle of MWC vs. WAC champions in the Fiesta Bowl could be compelling. With the Fiesta Bowl being formed to guarantee the WAC champion a bowl in 1971 it would be fitting to face the champions of the two conferences originating from that seed (most of the WAC teams from 1971 are now in the MWC and 2 are in the PAC 10). The Fiesta Bowl's future BCS status could then be tied to the MWC or WAC earning and maintaining BCS status.
That's what I think.
NMLSooner
· 10 months ago
I think most Big XII schools would gladly give up the Fiesta Bowl tie-in even without a tie-in anywhere else. I think they would like the freedom. If the Cotton would become a BCS bowl it would be a more natural fit, but most of the old Big 8 teams would prefer the Orange Bowl. But the only history that seems to matter is the Rose and Sugar tie-ins.
1Tomcat
· 10 months ago
The Cotton for Decades was SWC champ vs At Large The Cotton should be a BCS Bowl and MWC conference ought to carry as much weight as the BE- both conferences need to pick up additional teams and become 12 team conferences- this has been discussed at length here many times. The C-USA has several teams that used to belong to the old SWC and some teams like E Car kinda stand out apart from the rest same can be said of Troy in the Sunbelt- Boise st kinda dominates the WAC like USC does the Pac-10. The MWC has more of a legit chance than others even though the C-USA & MAC already have 12+ teams, but unfortunately the directional schools from the MAC lose the recuiting battle with the B10/11 schools just like the C-USA does against the B-12 and SEC. interesting topic and beats the heck outa uniform discussions Hookem-Horns
NMLSooner
· 10 months ago
Like I said, the Cotton would be fine. The five former SWC teams (Oklahoma was once part of it) give it some historical connection. Geographically, it's the best fit for the Big XII. I think it would make it more like the Sugar is for the SEC, the Rose is for the Pac-10, and the Orange Bowl is for the Florida schools, which is to say a home field feel. But man, I sure do miss the Orange Bowl waiting out their as a prize.
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 10 months ago
I read between the lines. Swofford appears to be saying sit down, shut up, get in line...
If you let the Mountain Whack in, you have to let the others, and they're not ready to open the floodgates yet. Wait a decade or so...
vtmechE
· 10 months ago
in a decade, there'll likely be a playoff, the mwc wants the bcs payouts sooner rather than later
don't forget swofford and the sec commish were open to a playoff plan
Regan
· 10 months ago
They were in favor of examining a "Plus-One" System, not a full-blown Playoff. There is a huge difference.
A "Plus-One" would only involve four teams and three games. While the technical definitons are the same, there is a massive difference in actuality between a "Plus-One" and a 16-Team playoff.
Trust me, the Conference Commissioners in no way want a full-blown Playoff...
Ben Prather
· 10 months ago
Are you telling me the commisioners didn't create the BCS to undermine the bowls and create a public outcry for a playoff? One has to admit that if that is the true hidden purpose of the BCS it is doing an awesome job.
NMLSooner
· 10 months ago
HA! Good one.
Regan
· 10 months ago
LOL true.
Zac
· 10 months ago
Given what the B(C)S hasn't accomplished, I don't see any other purpose.
4cornerz
· 10 months ago
If the Cotton Bowl gets into the BCS Rotation, then MWC should get an automatic BCS Bid or Make the PAC 10, Big 10, and TBE go to a 12 team conference tweak the system for football only. Ex. BYU and Utah compete in the PAC 10 for football only and the rest of the athletics compete in MWC TCU, SMU, Houston and UCF compete in the Big East for football only and all other sports MWC and C-USA. I do not want to hear Geographic s b/c the Dallas Cowboys compete in the NFC East no one is complaining about that.
Ben Prather
· 10 months ago
The Dallas Cowboys are in another league entirely, careful before Kevin gets out his NFL reference stick.
A better example would be Louisisana Tech in the WAC.
4cornerz
· 10 months ago
Thank you Ben.
NMLSooner
· 10 months ago
"TCU, SMU, Houston and UCF compete in the Big East for football only and all other sports MWC and C-USA. " Wha? Is this an example of what could be? Because these teams aren't doing anything in the BE right now.
FanoftheGame
· 10 months ago
The bcs would have to adopt another bowl game if they are going to accomodate another conference champion with an automatic bid. Increasing thenumber of automatic bcs bids would have to be done so as not to lessen the number of at-large bids. The bcs needs to maintain its at-large bids so as not to discriminate against non-bcs schools who meet the current criteria for making it to a bcs bowl.
Also- I think it would be fair to say that the Dallas cowboys are "affiliated" with the NFC East. It is a stretch to say that they actually "competed" in the NFC East.
NMLSooner
· 10 months ago
Hey! Lay off my Cowboys! : )
1Tomcat
· 10 months ago
Thanks FOG I always enjoy your input BTW I attended two A&M games this year- I cant help but say Bring back RC
Tommy_Trojan
· 10 months ago
I don't know why all the talk of MWC teams needing to be expanded into the PAC 10 anyway. With three teams like Utah, TCU and BYU - the MWC stands right there with the Big East. In fact, rarely has the Big East ever had three teams ranked in the Top 20. A couple years back they had Louisville, West Virginia and Rutgers all playing well. But, maybe top to bottom, the Big East is a little stronger with other teams like South Florida and Pittsburgh. But, are those teams really that much better than a decent New Mexico (when they are) or Colorado State or Air Force.
The question is: why shouldn't the MWC be added to the BCS conferences? They have proven over the last few years that they can consistantly put forth Top 10 teams. Utah and TCU have had some really outstanding teams in that time frame. Certainly, the top MWC team is probably more than qualified to get a BCS invite. I guess, it probably really comes down to the green stuff, and nobody wants to give up any of their piece of the pie.
Regan
· 10 months ago
It probably won't happen (this time around). The reason is that the BCS Conference Commissioners have seen how the inception of the BCS has driven the hysteria towards a playoff to newer heights, and probably isn't eager to give any more mice any more cookies.
If the MWC gets in, then how long before C-USA and the WAC start up (they would say)?
I thimk the MWC should be given strong consideration for the BCS; there's enough current and historic criteria for those teams to be legit BCS contenders year-in-year-out....I just don't see it happening right now because the "powers that be" see what happens when they try to give people what they want - they always want more...
Soooo you don't like uniform threads, but have no problems with a link to vote for a dog picture...Okay.
Zac
· 10 months ago
You win; I voted for duh puppy.
FanoftheGame
· 10 months ago
Okay Kev........I hope my vote earns me a few brownie points oh here.
FanoftheGame
· 10 months ago
Tomcat- I admit, the Aggies have been difficult to watch lately. I grew up around College Station and really fell in love with the atmosphere there. Of course, as fate would have it, I married a Longhorn. We manage to take in several games every year, but lately we seem to be going to more UT games than Aggie games. It's hard to complain about that, since UT has been playing at a much higher level lately and I love to watch great teams compete. I had bragging rights for the past 2 years before losing them this season so I guess it hasn't all been bad. With a new coach, new system and Fran's recruits guess its supposed to take a little time before the Ags get back to winning (or at least competing). Even so, at least R.C. had a history of good defensive teams and I do miss those days.
Zac
· 10 months ago
First off, the bowl tie-in's should be scrapped. Teams should get into the BCS bowls based upon merit; i.e. they finished the regular season ranked in the Top-10. Each year, one of the BCS bowls gets the NC. The others that didn't select from the rest of the Top-10. I realize that means theoretically as many as 4 teams from the same conference could wind up in BCS bowls. So what? Why punish a conference or any of its teams for having a good year?
As for the MWC: In a previous thread, a couple of us (one of them, me) recommended the MWC pick up 3 more teams to round out a 12-team conference. Boise St is a must. Houston & Tulsa would not be bad picks either; academically they're strong & provide a natural regional rival for TCU. With the likes of AFA, Boise St, BYU, CO St, Houston, TCU, Tulsa, & Utah how could anyone argue against this being a strong conference? I'm not saying strongest; mind you, only strong. Besides, whether or not the MWC agreed to anything, doesn't mean its commissioners & presidents can't renegotiate.
Tom22
· 10 months ago
The BCS system did give Utah a top rated team to play in the bowls. More automatic berths wouldn't help the situation
If there is a weakness in the BCS it's letting lower ranked conference champions into the picture but thankfully they matched Viginia Tech and Cincinatti allowing Texas and Utah better games.
Tom22
· 10 months ago
As to the Pac Ten expansion, in my opinion its not about the worthiness of the new schools but its more about the number of teams you want in a conference. Adding two more teams would mean eliminating more non conference games in football and basketball and other sports. I don't think expanding the number of games works. its nice to have some non-conference games.
I think that its vital that all the teams in a conference play the same opponents. I don't like the 12 team conferences split into two mini conferences. nearly as much..
vtmechE
· 10 months ago
personally, i love the 12 team conference, and not b/c we don't have to play fsu every year, the conference championship, when done correctly, will bring in money, the conference as a whole increases revenue and bowl bids, which increases revenue as well, money aside, the competitive edge is still there, a 4 year player will see all 11 opponents, either with the divisional rival and 2 team rotation, or the 3 team rotation, the divisional rival also keeps traditional rivalries, such as 'bama vs. tenn, va tech vs. bc, and fsu vs. miami,
Zac
· 10 months ago
One of the reasons the ACC picked up BC, Miami, & VA Tech was to bring the originally 9 team conference to 12 teams, such that the ACC could have a money making conference championship. When was the last time the conference championship was sold out and really made money? It didn't happen the last 2 years.
vtmechE
· 10 months ago
i was stating why i preferred a 12 team conference, the championship game was certainly made for money, but location has killed the acc cg, jacksonville and tampa are not acc country, the goal was to have miami play fsu every year, but that didn't happen, charlotte should have hosted from the beginning, and it woulda sold out each year, whether fsu or miami were there or not
Zac
· 10 months ago
I agree; a 12 team conference format is arguably the best set-up. If a conference championship is staged properly, theoretically, it should make money. Why the ACC has been pushing their championship in FL is beyond me. As you stated, it should have been held in Charlotte, NC from the on-set. Having seen the results twice now, do you thing they'll learn from it?
While we're at it, should the MWC expand to 12 teams, where should they hold their play-off, Denver, Lincoln, KC, other?
vtmechE
· 10 months ago
the acc has already learned from it, with charlotte hosting in 2010, they missed out on fsu losing a game for a good turnout last year, should fsu vs. miami happen in charlotte, the national appeal of both programs makes it seem likely the charlotte venue would attract a good turnout for the acc's dream cg matchup
the acc learned that a geographic conference center makes the the cg successful, hence atlanta being so successful for the sec, the c-usa uses the highest seeded team as the host b/c it doesn't have a geographic center, with marshall, ecu, and utep on the far reaches of the geographic circle, it's difficult for c-usa to be profitable at a neutral venue
with that in mind, should the mwc go to 12 with a cg, denver and salt lake would be prime candidates for hosting, air force, colorado st, utah, byu, new mexico and wyoming are within a day's drive of denver
vice versa for salt lake city, with unlv being 6 hrs from salt lake city by car
candidates, boise st, and nevada are within a days drive of salt lake city, while fresno st, and for arguments sake, new mexico st, are out of the loop geographically
All Comments
If the MWC (or any other conference that schedules half its OOC games vs BCS conference members) can continue to win 2/3 of its OOC games it will cross the line. From where it sits now that can be in 2011 if Boise State is added or 2012 otherwise.
Boise State would also help significantly in maintaing a 2/3 OOC average.
In that same interview the MWC indicated it would only accept Boise State if it were guaranteed BCS status. In my opinion that is the wrong attitude at this time.
however, its unlikely they'll leave without fresno st, and could mean the mwc add a 12th team to their roster for a championship game, and added profits
There must be somewhere near 40 or more sports (men and women’s) varsity sports. Do the basketball, water polo, volley ball, baseball, soccer, wrestling etc teams want another 2 teams in the conference if they currently compete by conference? Does Utah even compete at the same level in those other sports?
I love college football but its not the be all and end all in collegiate athletics.
however, rumors swirled about with utah and byu wanting to get in, and the pac10 considering the option, however, with the possibility of boise joining, it'd make the mwc stronger, and allow the utah schools to stay in the mwc
Then what is Oregon State doing in the Pac 10?
By the way, Brigham Young and Utah both outrank Oregon State in the current rankings.
For example, Notre Dame competes in the Big East for roundball but not football. You'll have to research the badmitton and report back!
2) The only sport the PAC 10 has a chapionship for that Utah does not field is a crew team
3) Some pac 10 teams do not participate in some sports.
4) We offer a woman's gymnastics and a coed ski team second to none. Our basketball is okay, but not the sweet 16 regular we once were and feel we should be getting back to.
http://rmitz.org/AYB3.swf
I don't really know what I saw, but I enjoyed it all the same.
Is this your creation?
All you Base Are belong to us- Aleins grammer-?
BTW off the subject completely Fanblogs has been somewhat educational for yours truley
guess I ought to take some courses and create my own B/S videos
Now back to CFB
Hookem-Horns
Sicem-Bears- beat the H outa OU
That is honestly the dialogue from the game. As far as the video and images, that's someone else's genius. :)
:-)
The Cotton Bowl is formally requesting to become a BCS bowl. Personally I think this should only be granted if the Big 12 wants to change their championship tie-in, turning towards the roots of its SWC members.
If that happens the Pointsettia Bowl showed that a battle of MWC vs. WAC champions in the Fiesta Bowl could be compelling. With the Fiesta Bowl being formed to guarantee the WAC champion a bowl in 1971 it would be fitting to face the champions of the two conferences originating from that seed (most of the WAC teams from 1971 are now in the MWC and 2 are in the PAC 10). The Fiesta Bowl's future BCS status could then be tied to the MWC or WAC earning and maintaining BCS status.
That's what I think.
The Cotton should be a BCS Bowl and MWC conference ought to carry as much weight as the BE- both conferences need to pick up additional teams and become 12 team conferences- this has been discussed at length here many times.
The C-USA has several teams that used to belong to the old SWC and some teams like E Car kinda stand out apart from the rest same can be said of Troy in the Sunbelt- Boise st kinda dominates the WAC like USC does the Pac-10.
The MWC has more of a legit chance than others even though the C-USA & MAC already have 12+ teams, but unfortunately the directional schools from the MAC lose the recuiting battle with the B10/11 schools just like the C-USA does against the B-12 and SEC.
interesting topic and beats the heck outa uniform discussions
Hookem-Horns
If you let the Mountain Whack in, you have to let the others, and they're not ready to open the floodgates yet. Wait a decade or so...
don't forget swofford and the sec commish were open to a playoff plan
A "Plus-One" would only involve four teams and three games. While the technical definitons are the same, there is a massive difference in actuality between a "Plus-One" and a 16-Team playoff.
Trust me, the Conference Commissioners in no way want a full-blown Playoff...
TCU, SMU, Houston and UCF compete in the Big East for football only and all other sports MWC and C-USA. I do not want to hear Geographic s b/c the Dallas Cowboys compete in the NFC East no one is complaining about that.
A better example would be Louisisana Tech in the WAC.
Also-
I think it would be fair to say that the Dallas cowboys are "affiliated" with the NFC East. It is a stretch to say that they actually "competed" in the NFC East.
BTW I attended two A&M games this year- I cant help but say
Bring back RC
The question is: why shouldn't the MWC be added to the BCS conferences? They have proven over the last few years that they can consistantly put forth Top 10 teams. Utah and TCU have had some really outstanding teams in that time frame. Certainly, the top MWC team is probably more than qualified to get a BCS invite. I guess, it probably really comes down to the green stuff, and nobody wants to give up any of their piece of the pie.
If the MWC gets in, then how long before C-USA and the WAC start up (they would say)?
I thimk the MWC should be given strong consideration for the BCS; there's enough current and historic criteria for those teams to be legit BCS contenders year-in-year-out....I just don't see it happening right now because the "powers that be" see what happens when they try to give people what they want - they always want more...
As for the MWC: In a previous thread, a couple of us (one of them, me) recommended the MWC pick up 3 more teams to round out a 12-team conference. Boise St is a must. Houston & Tulsa would not be bad picks either; academically they're strong & provide a natural regional rival for TCU. With the likes of AFA, Boise St, BYU, CO St, Houston, TCU, Tulsa, & Utah how could anyone argue against this being a strong conference? I'm not saying strongest; mind you, only strong. Besides, whether or not the MWC agreed to anything, doesn't mean its commissioners & presidents can't renegotiate.
If there is a weakness in the BCS it's letting lower ranked conference champions into the picture but thankfully they matched Viginia Tech and Cincinatti allowing Texas and Utah better games.
I think that its vital that all the teams in a conference play the same opponents. I don't like the 12 team conferences split into two mini conferences. nearly as much..
While we're at it, should the MWC expand to 12 teams, where should they hold their play-off, Denver, Lincoln, KC, other?
the acc learned that a geographic conference center makes the the cg successful, hence atlanta being so successful for the sec, the c-usa uses the highest seeded team as the host b/c it doesn't have a geographic center, with marshall, ecu, and utep on the far reaches of the geographic circle, it's difficult for c-usa to be profitable at a neutral venue
with that in mind, should the mwc go to 12 with a cg, denver and salt lake would be prime candidates for hosting, air force, colorado st, utah, byu, new mexico and wyoming are within a day's drive of denver
vice versa for salt lake city, with unlv being 6 hrs from salt lake city by car
candidates, boise st, and nevada are within a days drive of salt lake city, while fresno st, and for arguments sake, new mexico st, are out of the loop geographically