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Re: Mountain West to push BCS for guaranteed mid-major berth

FalconRams — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 21:21:12 -0000

I sense that you are trying to make it sound like there is no true difference between the six BCS conferences and the five non-BCS conferences. Perhaps the MAC competed against the Big Ten on even ground prior to 1998. Must have missed that.

Perhaps Harvard and Yale never won a Championship! Remember these ivy league schools dominating college football! THINGS CHANGE! And the point here is that a CHANGE to the BCS will bring about change. The playing field will eventually even out and players can eventually go to a school that offers a GREAT Education and a GREAT ATHLETIC program with the possibility of a championship.

Maybe the MAC didn't compete with the BIG 10 ever, but that has changed in recent years. If only the young impressionable minds could see the true design of the BCS, some of that talent will spread. The relationship with the BCS school and the NFL also makes for a difficult recruiting for talent with the non-BCS schools! You need to get off the money bandwagon and open your mind! You don't use a parachute much do you Vegan or Regan.

Re: Mountain West to push BCS for guaranteed mid-major berth

TampaGator — Fri, 06 Mar 2009 11:53:08 -0000

Martian:

I don't get it. What was this supposed to prove?

That the MWC wants to re-arrange the BCS to conform to its members, rather than those of the real conferences, who generate most all the revenue, and bring just about all of the consumers?

Shouldn't this be in the Govm't Bailout thread?

GO GATORS!!

Re: Mountain West to push BCS for guaranteed mid-major berth

U.of S.C.1978 — Fri, 06 Mar 2009 02:26:40 -0000

Ding Ding Ding. It's over with a technical knock out.

Re: Mountain West to push BCS for guaranteed mid-major berth

Kevin @ Fanblogs — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:14:26 -0000

#1 - If you're declaring the MWC's grandstanding today as the end, then you clearly don't understand the process, but... that's OK, dude.

#2 - The "chance to become BCS" already exists in the BCS standards document. (You know the one that the MWC still has refused to sign?) It states that if any conference meets the FOUR-YEAR standard, then they shall be an automatic qualifier 2012 and 2013. Sustaining that performance would net any conference AQ status for the prevailing four years.

#3 - It's a nice proposal, but even the MWC commish admitted that an eight-team playoff is not realistic during the conference call. (You did listen to the conference call, didn't you?) At the end of the day, it's all show and no go.

#4 - Have you looked at what makes a team an AQ? It's a joke. The conference has to play 20 qualifying games and lose no more than 12 of them. WTF? I guess when you're strongest strength of schedule team is 54th (New Mexico), you better not stack the deck too high. (Point of information - here's how many teams from each BCS ranked higher in strength of schedule than the MWC's best: SEC, 11; Pac-10, 9; Big XII, 11; Big Ten, 5; ACC, 12; Big East, 4).

#5 - It's extremely unrealistic to argue that computers and pollsters WITH NO AFFILIATION OR VESTED INTEREST are ***more*** biased in their blind selection process than a human committee comprised of the conferences to determine what teams will play in the BCS bowls.

#6 - The MWC proposal would ELIMINATE the Pac10 & Big10 from the BCS because they played 19 games against AQ teams... but the MWC is going to give them a free-pass with its footnotes. So... their fair & equal system is going to give special favors to certain conferences???? Isn't that the premise of the MWC's beeyatching in the first place?????

You're right, dude. This proposal proves everything and solves all the problems. Let there be much rejoicing.

Re: Mountain West to push BCS for guaranteed mid-major berth

Mars — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:36:40 -0000

Big surprise- Kev had NO CLUE what he was talking about: http://graphics.fansonly.co...

The 5 non-BCS conferences would all have a chance to become BCS. They would all have representation in a BCS Bowl Game Selection Committee. And they would have a shot at the National Championship, with an 8-Game Playoff.

This would be great for the so called "Mid Majors", and GREAT for college football in general. Basically the exact opposite of what clueless Kev claimed. Like I told him at the time.

Well, well... Look who was right.

Re: Mountain West to push BCS for guaranteed mid-major berth

VTBobb — Sun, 01 Mar 2009 13:09:49 -0000

Hey Mars, How's Craword?

Here's my opinion (we all know what opinions are worth, but this is a blog):

1. Kev, you seemed a little harsh to the MWC, particularly not even knowing exactly what the proposal is.

2. It's February, what else are we going to talk about?

3. I don't think the MWC has earned a BCS conference spot yet.

4. I could support an automatic bid for the "mid-majors". I don't agree with Kev's OPINION that it would somehow hurt them. When 2 "mid-majors" get at-larges under the current system, I'll buy that argument. Until then, I have a differing OPINION.

5. Mars reminds me of that "reporter" that ambushed Calhoun in Conn. He is trying to apply standards for something completely out of context. To make matters worse, instead of trying to use logic to state his case, he hurls insults, making any legitimate point he has easy to write off as the ramblings of a slightly unstable fanatic with an agenda.

Did I miss anything?

Re: Mountain West to push BCS for guaranteed mid-major berth

Regan — Sun, 01 Mar 2009 03:34:40 -0000

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Re: Mountain West to push BCS for guaranteed mid-major berth

Mars — Sat, 28 Feb 2009 04:02:11 -0000

It's pretty obvious that there are a lot of people in this thread that just don't get it. Don't hurt yourselves trying.

Re: Mountain West to push BCS for guaranteed mid-major berth

Zac — Fri, 27 Feb 2009 21:22:31 -0000

"Get some facts, then come back and see me. Get some facts, then come back and see me."

Not to mention, he stutters a little.

Re: Mountain West to push BCS for guaranteed mid-major berth

Regan — Fri, 27 Feb 2009 19:00:48 -0000

Wow...this guy just really doesn't get it....

Re: Mountain West to push BCS for guaranteed mid-major berth

Mars — Fri, 27 Feb 2009 00:50:55 -0000

"It's always entertaining to read personal attacks as a substitute for substance."

That sums up your "article" perfectly, which attacks the Mountain West Conference without any substance or facts to base those baseless attacks on. Again, a real journalist would wait until the proposal is made public, instead of attacking what they think the proposal MAY or MAY NOT contain.

"If a permanent slot is created for any one mid-major conference OR for a mid-major qualifier in aggregate, that would be a poor deal for the remaining non-BCS teams. Any such arrangement would likely eliminate a mid-major from consideration for an at-large spot."

Just like how the PAC-10's spot is bad for the PAC-10, the SEC's spot is bad for the SEC, etc. It's not. At all. There is no negative for the non-BCS if they gained a permanent spot as a group. It's deserved, it would benefit all 5 smaller conferences, and it would benefit college football. And has nothing to do with at-larges for the non-BCS (which has never happened anyway, even for undefeated Boise State versus crappy loser Ohio State).

My best advice to you Kev, shut up. Get some facts, then come back and see me. Get some facts, then come back and see me.

Re: Mountain West to push BCS for guaranteed mid-major berth

Kevin @ Fanblogs — Thu, 26 Feb 2009 20:55:50 -0000

Thanks for the insight. It's always entertaining to read personal attacks as a substitute for substance.

If a permanent slot is created for any one mid-major conference OR for a mid-major qualifier in aggregate, that would be a poor deal for the remaining non-BCS teams. Any such arrangement would likely eliminate a mid-major from consideration for an at-large spot. I believe I posted that thought in the OP... but... whatevs.

Re: Mountain West to push BCS for guaranteed mid-major berth

hrposon — Thu, 26 Feb 2009 20:27:20 -0000

Regan, I take no offense, it's a good forum for differences of opinion...
A playoff, as in all real sports will determine a champion that won every elimination game that they played on the field. Not by teams running up the score / stats against weaker opponents to impress voters who are easily influenced by the ratings hucksters at Disney, ABC and ESPN.

Re: Mountain West to push BCS for guaranteed mid-major berth

Kevin @ Fanblogs — Thu, 26 Feb 2009 20:26:39 -0000

Well said. Saved me thousands of keystrokes. :)

Re: Mountain West to push BCS for guaranteed mid-major berth

kennova — Thu, 26 Feb 2009 17:50:15 -0000

I see your points. You clearly know the ins and outs more than I do, but in terms of public perception, it's gonna VERY difficult to overcome the perceived method of crowning the NC, even if the NCAA isn't actually doing it. They don't stop it or refute the label of NC when it is given. This is, in my opinion, as good as approving it.

But I appreciate your remarks, I am still on the fence about how a playoff would actually work, but I do know it could be better than it is now, and keeping CFB unique isn't really a good thing in all cases. :)

Re: Mountain West to push BCS for guaranteed mid-major berth

Regan — Thu, 26 Feb 2009 17:36:40 -0000

>>>>>I disagree with your thoughts on a monopoly. The BCS has a monopoly on the bowl system as a whole. If anyone wanted to be thought of as the National Champion in the official NCAA books you MUST go through the BCS. Any alternative would NOT be able to claim National Championship status without the BCS. This makes going independent very difficult. <<<<<

Fair enough on the disagreement, but things aren't that simple. The NCAA has never awarded a NC for CFB. Ever. The AP Poll and UPI had a vote at the end of the season from 1936-1997, and that was seen as the source of the MNC's.

As far as the BCS went, the BCS is not an organization. It is an alliance between the 4x major bowls (Orange, Sugar, Fiesta, and Rose) and the 6x major conferences (ACC, BE, B10, P10, SEC, B12) on the way they want to crown their National Champion.

The BCS came about after the Bowl Alliance/Coalition (all above minus the Rose Bowl, B10 & P10) tried to match up the #1 and #2 teams at the end of each season instead of having quasi-random bowl invites. The other conferences convinced the B10/P10/Rose Bowl to join the system so that the other 2 conferences could participate and there would be no split champion.

This is not a monopoly - this is businesses choosing business partners. The B10 & P10 can easily opt out of the BCS, returning it to the pre 1998- system; nothing is stopping them.

>>>>>Every team should have an Equal chance to compete for the NC. And the fact that Boise State has done well and Utah has done well despite this disadvantage I mention does make my argument for a disadvantage vulnerable, I agree. However, it further illustrates my point that every team should be able to compete equally without having to be in a certain conference. As of late, the non-BCS teams have been able to convince good players to play at their schools and try to "take-down" the BCS giants. This is great for those teams, but things should be more even.<<<<<

This is something I agree with. There is nothing wrong with allowing the "mid-majors" have more access to the NC game; however there are ways of allowing more access without destroying the fundamentals that make CFB unique (as a playoff would do).

Re: Mountain West to push BCS for guaranteed mid-major berth

Regan — Thu, 26 Feb 2009 17:27:28 -0000

>>>>>Way to attempt to support the unsupportable.
"The BCS can undertake some reform to include a seventh AQ - either the MWC or a permanent mid-major slot. Either way you look at this resolution, most of the mid-majors are going to be upset."
"Mid-majors" would be upset to gain a permanent bid? Why? They would hate the MWC would selfishly gaining this for all of them? Why?
<<<<<

Yes - the mid-majors would get upset if the MWC got an "MWC Automatic Bid", because that would hedge out the chances of them getting an At-Large Bid.

I think you're getting hung up on the phrase "or a permanent mid-major slot". It's referring to a "Permanent WAC slot" or a "Permanent MWC slot", not a "Permanent slot reserved for a mid-major team". Even if it was, that would put a hex on the possibility of ever having two mid-majors get BCS berths.

If you're going to get upset at how it is worded, feel free to point out that it could come across as confusing...no need to attack anyone over it...

>>>>>The lack of journalism is obvious. But you can put on a tinfoil cap and rage against fictional futures as well, if you'd like. Just don't take yourself seriously while doing so, because that's how fools work, not professionals...<<<<<

This is a Blog, dude. Kev voiced his opinion. Disagree with him if you want, but you're being a little militant on the attacks here. Me? I'm a bookkeeper who has some opinions on CFB who chills out and posts on a CFB blog for fun. I am not a professional, and really don't care.

Try a sports news site, I think that's what you're looking for...

Re: Mountain West to push BCS for guaranteed mid-major berth

Regan — Thu, 26 Feb 2009 17:19:41 -0000

I getcha; and must apologize for being shamelessly preachy; I'm just pointing out that the Playoff thing is not a Fact, it is an Opinion.

Not everyone shares the opinion that an 8- (or 16- or whatever) team Playoff is best for CFB, and even if they did, it still isn't a "Fact".

Not trying to be a jerk, hrposon, I just have a reputation to uphold when it comes to this issue, please take no offense. :)

Re: Mountain West to push BCS for guaranteed mid-major berth

kennova — Thu, 26 Feb 2009 12:38:42 -0000

I disagree with your thoughts on a monopoly. The BCS has a monopoly on the bowl system as a whole. If anyone wanted to be thought of as the National Champion in the official NCAA books you MUST go through the BCS. Any alternative would NOT be able to claim National Championship status without the BCS. This makes going independent very difficult.

Every team should have an Equal chance to compete for the NC. And the fact that Boise State has done well and Utah has done well despite this disadvantage I mention does make my argument for a disadvantage vulnerable, I agree. However, it further illustrates my point that every team should be able to compete equally without having to be in a certain conference. As of late, the non-BCS teams have been able to convince good players to play at their schools and try to "take-down" the BCS giants. This is great for those teams, but things should be more even.

Re: Mountain West to push BCS for guaranteed mid-major berth

hrposon — Wed, 25 Feb 2009 23:53:07 -0000

By "right thing" I mean, "A playoff of the top eight conference champions." The only beauty contest voting will be for the top eight conferences and what order they should be seeded for the playoff. ( 1 vs. 8, 2 vs. 7, etc ).
To paraphrase Gussie Busch to Curt Flood, if we would have known how much money we would make after free agency, we would have never fought you.

Re: Mountain West to push BCS for guaranteed mid-major berth

Mars — Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:32:59 -0000

Way to attempt to support the unsupportable.

"The BCS can undertake some reform to include a seventh AQ - either the MWC or a permanent mid-major slot. Either way you look at this resolution, most of the mid-majors are going to be upset."

"Mid-majors" would be upset to gain a permanent bid? Why? They would hate the MWC would selfishly gaining this for all of them? Why?

The lack of journalism is obvious. But you can put on a tinfoil cap and rage against fictional futures as well, if you'd like. Just don't take yourself seriously while doing so, because that's how fools work, not professionals...

Re: Mountain West to push BCS for guaranteed mid-major berth

Regan — Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:09:41 -0000

Agreed. Here's hoping the MWC gets that bid using the BCS' own system. That would solve that problem rather neatly.

From a Historical perspective, the MWC (by merits of it's upper tier) does deserve strong BCS consideration; they even have a NC among their members...

Re: Mountain West to push BCS for guaranteed mid-major berth

Regan — Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:07:23 -0000

>>>>>Of course we're still ignoring the simple fact that the BCS as a whole is flawed.<<<<<

Every single system created or suggested is flawed. Every single one. The BCS is just the one that's running the show right now, and that's why everyone thinks it's as bad as non-sliced bread...

Re: Mountain West to push BCS for guaranteed mid-major berth

Regan — Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:05:21 -0000

Well said. Although the definition of "unfair business practices and monopolies" will hang up the situation.

CFB's Conferences have the right to do business with whomever they see fit to do business with, no one can (or should IMHO) force them to do otherwise.

While something must be done to ensure that the "mid-majors" are not ignored in the BCS, trying to re-invent the wheel here based on the "revenue" notion isn't likely to have the desired results.

Re: Mountain West to push BCS for guaranteed mid-major berth

Regan — Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:02:20 -0000

You say that as if it is fact. How much non-biased info do you get from that site?

My name is Regan. If you want to dance on the Playoff issue, I have a whole folder, and as Tomcat will attest, am far more stubborn than anyone is prepared to go up against. :-)