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Re: No debate - Pac10 is best conference

BamaBorn — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 22:52:47 -0000

Bayou? Let me guess. When you were in school, geography wasn't a good subject for you was it?

Re: No debate - Pac10 is best conference

Mr2Bits — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 09:16:13 -0000

I know they haven't won yet that's why I explicitly express they still have some business to take care of. As for UF being "lucky" to beat Oklahoma, I’d suggest you lay off the meth. If you feel so very confident I encourage you to place a large wager on OK as I have done for UF. Id wait till right before kickoff as you will see all the big money being placed on UF raising the spread. I suspect you can get OK at a 5 maybe 5.5 underdog before game time.

Re: No debate - Pac10 is best conference

desertbill — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 09:08:13 -0000

Probably;
But talk about dreaming on meth, I believe something like 60-70% of the favorites have already lost their bowl games this year. UF could and probably will lose. Face it, any system based on the odds instead of performance is doomed to failure. Sorry. Those are the facts. It will be interesting.

Re: No debate - Pac10 is best conference

U.of S.C.1978 — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 01:29:55 -0000

A few points here. First, I would like to thank loogy for posting that USC east experienced an "embarrassing" loss to Iowa. It was quite a bit worse than that. It was so bad that the wife and I traversed the end zone (the one with the cool boat) and sat on Iowa's side for the second half. By this time it was WTF, might as well even the sunburn out. Second point, the next time Kevin declares a subject is settled and beyond debate. Make real damn sure the debate starter gun, ain't pointed at your ass. Finally, if Key West ever hosts a bowl game, I don't care who's playing, I intend to be there.

Re: No debate - Pac10 is best conference

Tommy_Trojan — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 00:44:45 -0000

TE:

I'll call you a liar. A straight up lyin' coward. How'z that?

We recruit everywhere in the South. We want any game you got down there. Your teams cannot recruit out here. We have whipped your chump azzez in Alabama, Auburn and Arkansas. We have nothing to lose and everything to gain by scheduling your teams in the South. You are a flat out liar, boy! We have no fear of losing recruits to you. You have all the fear in the world of losing them to us.

You better thank your lucky starz that your AD's are not as stupid as you are. Your AD's are bright enough to understand this. And, there is no amount of money, that is gonna be worth the consequences should you suffer any more serious beatdowns. The games will never happen - because your AD's do have some brains. Too bad you don't have none.

Re: No debate - Pac10 is best conference

desertbill — Tue, 06 Jan 2009 18:23:23 -0000

Don't think you need to worry about a repeat, just yet. They haven't won anything this year, yet. They will be VERY lucky to beat Oklahoma. Too bad the two best teams aren't playing, one of which is USC. Let you decide who is #2.

Re: No debate - Pac10 is best conference

wdbrown — Tue, 06 Jan 2009 13:11:16 -0000

Don't say anything about SEC OOC scheduling until they start playing those games away from home.

Re: No debate - Pac10 is best conference

aVoiceInSC — Tue, 06 Jan 2009 09:52:42 -0000

I will definitely keep that in mind in the future. Next year I'm hitting up Whistler/Blackcomb. It's a shame there isn't going to be a game in Vancouver or I'd stop in on the way there.

Re: No debate - Pac10 is best conference

TheMayor — Tue, 06 Jan 2009 08:20:47 -0000

Clemson Joe - Boise has some great skiing. Bogus Basin is about 15 minutes up the mountain and Sun Valley is less than 2 hours away as I remember. Just in case you have to choose between skiing and the Human. Bowl in the future!

Re: No debate - Pac10 is best conference

aVoiceInSC — Mon, 05 Jan 2009 21:56:35 -0000

"Why not have "The Fan Alcohol Consumption Bowl" or "Best tipping conference?" It's almost as relevant."
LOL. I like it, and it's very true!

Man, I'd love to make it out west for a game, and it'd be fantastic if it were a bowl game. There are a lot of destinations outside of my region at which I vow to attend a game sometime in my life, and I have yet to get started. Autzen is certainly one of them.

So far, I've only been to the Tangerine, Gator, Music City, and Peach (Chick-fil-a) bowls. I had a great, but very different, time at each of them. I had a chance to go to the Humanitarian, but flying out to Boise to watch a very average Tiger team play La. Tech wasn't terribly intriguing. I also thought I could find much better cities to spend my money on. I've heard Boise is a good time and all, but I think my money was better spent on the week long ski trip I went on instead.

Re: No debate - Pac10 is best conference

Kevin @ Fanblogs — Mon, 05 Jan 2009 20:54:21 -0000

Nah....

Re: No debate - Pac10 is best conference

TheMayor — Mon, 05 Jan 2009 20:37:28 -0000

I see where you are coming from. I do not believe there is a regional bias either. I would love to go to the Suagr or Orange Bowl...but I'll have to earn my way in via a NC game and that's not likely

As a fan, it's not the air miles or expense for me, it's the quality of the destination. I would be more inclined to fly to New Orleans at great expense rather than drive an hour into SF which I can do anytime. I have had the chance 3-4 times to go to El Paso for the Sun Bowl on New Years Eve...not a chance.

I have had a great time at the Rose, Cotton, Fiesta, Las Vegas and Holiday Bowls. Worth every dime.

Why not have "The Fan Alcohol Consumption Bowl" or "Best tipping conference?" It's almost as relevant.

Re: No debate - Pac10 is best conference

aVoiceInSC — Mon, 05 Jan 2009 20:12:58 -0000

I was responding to this statement:
"I am talking about the regional bias that allows the SEC and ACC to play in bowls close to home year after year."

I used to travel quite a bit, and I agree with you. However, you can't say that the ACC plays in bowls close to home when we had Maryland in Boise, Miami in San Francisco, and Boston College in Nashville. Plane trips are basically the same for the teams, but usually the farther they are, the more expensive they are, and the fewer fans follow the team to the game, regardless of how many they have the opportunity to send.

"Also really who actually cares about winning the Bowl Challenger Cup anyway?"
I certainly don't. It is a pretty big crock. It's just something else to discuss I guess.

Re: No debate - Pac10 is best conference

-TE- — Mon, 05 Jan 2009 20:12:34 -0000

Amazing how you couldn't hold up your end of the bargain each time we "ducked you", except in 2004, when Auburn "ducked you" by getting jobbed by the same BCS you say protects us from you.

Spare me the histrionics, TT...You're at the point where you're actually responding to yourself, now...

In the famous words of Brian Fantana of Action News, "Why don't you stop talking for awhile. Sit the next few plays out."

Re: No debate - Pac10 is best conference

gatorhippy — Mon, 05 Jan 2009 20:10:13 -0000

So, K-Hue...

Is it safe to say that maybe the PAC-10 being the "best" conference is debatable?

At least a little?

Re: No debate - Pac10 is best conference

aVoiceInSC — Mon, 05 Jan 2009 20:07:10 -0000

Lay off the intelligence shots, comrade. Let's raise the maturity level a bit, ok?

I do watch the Pac-10 games, and I do bet on them. As I have stated, I did attend a Pac-10 university during a visit out west. I don't have anything against the Pac-10, as I am a fan of the school I attended. Did you notice where I give credit to those schools that fielded teams in the top half of the Pac 10? I'm simply stating facts based on numbers.

Speaking of those, let's have a look:
Stanford: lost to Notre Dame, who holds a 0-2 record against the ACC this season
Arizona State: lost to 5 win UNLV who lost by 21 against San Diego State
UCLA: might be able to be competitive against the very bottom of the ACC, but not against their "equal ranking" counterpart, Wake Forest. Sagarin has UCLA as the 3rd worst team in the Pac 10, but since they hold wins over the 2 above them, and based on what I saw on the field, I'd put them at 5th worst, or 6th overall.

Now, let's match them up:
UCLA - Wake Forest
Arizona State - Maryland
Stanford - NC State
Washington State - Virginia
Washington - Duke

Let's assume all of these were played at a neutral (somewhere in the middle of the country) site. Obviously, the last 2 are gimmes for the ACC. Wake Forest would beat UCLA. I do believe the other 2 could go either way, however it'd certainly be viewed as a considerable upset if ASU were able to knock off Maryland.

A conference is only as strong as its weakest link(s). Period. With that said, Arizona, Oregon, and Oregon State aren't part of this discussion. Although, I'd gladly, and quite confidently, put money on any of our top 6 teams to beat Arizona.

Also, the last ranked ACC team in Sagarin's rankings is Duke, which comes in at 53rd. The 6th ranked Pac 10 team, comes in at 59th. So, clearly, I'm not the only one who believes what I said to be true.

By the way, I won the Pick'em for this group this year. I did very well betting real money this year as well. I'm not saying I'll win again, as there are some very good participants, but why don't you join next season? Let's have you back up your statements in a very visible and quantifiable way. Then, we'll see just exactly how good you are at forecasting match up results. Until then, I'm very inclined to take what you have to say cum grano salis.

Re: No debate - Pac10 is best conference

Kevin Donahue — Mon, 05 Jan 2009 19:46:16 -0000

OK. I think we've reached the end, guys. The rest of us have run out of popcorn watching the show. Breathe.

Re: No debate - Pac10 is best conference

loogy — Mon, 05 Jan 2009 19:46:08 -0000

I never claimed it was "impressive." I claimed that an aggregate 5-0 PAC-10 is impressive.

I'd rather take an "ugly win" instead of an "impressive loss." A win is a win.

Re: No debate - Pac10 is best conference

Tommy_Trojan — Mon, 05 Jan 2009 19:42:53 -0000

TE:

I forgot 2003. You were very fortunate in that year also. Amazing, how the SEC has managed to "duck" the PAC 10 Champion, four straight times. Coincidence? No way! It's the mindlessness that you exhibit, that has infected so many, which has created the wonderful system that we have today. Your a joke and so is the "system" that has managed to hand you your "beloved Chrystal Balls". Personally, I don't even recognize ours in 2004 - let alone any of yours. Both Auburn and Utah should have gotten an opportunity to earn a National Championship in 2004. I'll give mine back if you'll just please shut up!

Re: No debate - Pac10 is best conference

aVoiceInSC — Mon, 05 Jan 2009 19:40:36 -0000

Nate Longshore used to be a starter for the Bears. Of course, that's fantastic depth to have a former starter as a backup. The vast majority of college teams don't have that luxury.

Miami with Marve at the helm was a much different, and better football team. Cal beat a Marve-less Miami team by 7, essentially at home. That is not impressive.

Re: No debate - Pac10 is best conference

aVoiceInSC — Mon, 05 Jan 2009 19:40:32 -0000

You're right. I should've mentioned the Big East as well. Really I only left them out because no one is claiming that the Big East was the best conference this year. You're right though, the Big East would also probably beat up on the bottom 5 of the Pac-10, as the bottom of the Pac-10 was record setting-ly horrific this season.

Re: No debate - Pac10 is best conference

Tommy_Trojan — Mon, 05 Jan 2009 19:25:19 -0000

TE:

All I know, is that you have no problem minimizing USC's wins over Ohio State and Penn State, while at the same time maximizing your fortune in having got to play Ohio State for your beloved "Chrystal Ball". Fact is: if Florida in 2006, LSU in 2007 or Florida in 2008, had to go through USC, you would have no "Chrystal Balls". That is what I know. And, you know it too.

Re: No debate - Pac10 is best conference

loogy — Mon, 05 Jan 2009 19:23:54 -0000

I started to write my reply refuting you, but then figured you'd write another reply refuting my refute, and so on. I agree, we will probably butt heads again. It makes college football fun. Lets agree to butt heads another time, another blog post? I'm growing tired of this one lol

Re: No debate - Pac10 is best conference

TheMayor — Mon, 05 Jan 2009 19:20:27 -0000

I don't know if anyone noticed but most of the teams travel by air these days and stay in decent hotels. They also arrive in town a few days early. As a sales representative with clients all over the country I can state that travel is not that big of a deal. Unless you're traveling East and have to get to work early the next morning. That blows.

Those folks who think AZ, Oregon or Oregon State had a Home Field advantage over BYU, Oklahoma State or Pitt have never travelled out West. The travel distance is very similar once the wheels are up on your plane.

Holiday Bowl (Oregon 841 miles / OSU 1163 Miles)
Sun Bowl (OSU 1265 miles / Pitt 1591 miles)
Las Vegas Bowl (UA 369 Miles / BYU 339 miles plus a large local Mormon contingent in Las Vegas)

Granted Cal and USC played in their backyard. But they didn't control the number of seats that are sold.

Home field advantage applies when you only have a sliver of crappy seats in a hostile environment as in regualr season play.

In a Bowl Game, don't both schools get an opportunity to send the same amount of fans?

I certainly saw a lot of "white" at the Rose Bowl. The OSU Cowboys occupied as almost as many seats as the Ducks at the Holiday Bowl. So why would the Ducks have an advantage?

Also really who actually cares about winning the Bowl Challenger Cup anyway?

Re: No debate - Pac10 is best conference

-TE- — Mon, 05 Jan 2009 19:13:45 -0000

Ignorant remarks & beliefs...You see, that's probably the most offensive thing you've said to me...But, again, I'll let it slide.

You see, you're focusing what EVERYONE is saying to you on what I've told you. If you'll go back through, I've clarified for others, made my own statements, but I never negated the fact that they went 5-0. Try as you might, that fact does not exist, on any Google Search, or elsewhere, for that matter.

It's because I didn't do it. Your passion is causing you to do some pretty ignorant things, yourself. You're taking all of the things everyone else has thrown at you here, and applying them to me, and you're off the plot when it comes to that.

Once again, you even reiterated what you meant, without acknowledging what I based my Tenn/Cal comment on in your own post. That was no mistake on my part.

I have just as much-if not more-passion than you do, and I try to look at things objectively, but I typically don't let my anger obfuscate my points, which you've obviously done. You've channeled what everyone in this thread said to you, and ascribed the comments to me. I've pointed that out elsewhere, and you still haven't figured that part out yet.

Let me say this. You'll find me a huckleberry for College Football talk, any day. Especially once the dry spell gets here after National Signing Day.

But, don't label me some backwoods ignorant hick who doesn't have the power of deductive reasoning or objectivity based on your own stereotypes, or your misconceptions about what I said or didn't say here.

No need to apologize. This will obviously not be the last time we butt heads, and believe me, if we were all babbling sycophants here, chirping from the same hymnal page and telling folks there were 4 fingers being held up, this would be no fun.