I just don't get this. Nix had received criticism from 'Cane fans in the last few games of the season, but as compared to Miami's offensive performance over the prior 3-4 years, Nix definately had them on the up-and-up.
That late-game time management was horrendous, but given the tremendous youth on the field on offense, I don't see how Nix could be blamed exclusively for that.
I certainly saw this season as tremendous progress over the disastrous '06 and '07 seasons, and I seriously doubt that this season's performance reflects negatively on Shannon.
Still, however, I think this was a bad move by Shannon, IMHO...
Tommy_Trojan
· 11 months ago
Regan:
I also thought that Miami had seemed much improved this year. In the last few years I had just thought that they were terribly overrated, and yet in this year, I kinda thought that they were underrated. In this year, I had thought that the whole ACC was underrated, and that Miami was playing in a real tough conference. California jumped out on them, and it seemed like it might be a beatdown, but the Canes battled back real well. Cal has a pretty good defense over there. They have had one for a few years now. I agree that the whole Miami team was very young. The QB Marve was not in the game - and Miami played pretty well in the Bowl game. Better than I expected them to. To bad, but in this world, we always have to have somebody to blame.
Regan
· 11 months ago
Point well taken about the blame.
Looks like Marve had other reasons for heading out, and as the story keeps coming out, Nix and Shannon were having conflicts on top of any on-field issues that the HC may have had with the OC. That's fine, I guess, if it wasn't working, it wasn't working.
I was under the opinion things were going a lot better internally than they appear to have been, so who knows?
So long as the 'Canes keep improving, I'll be happy. I really like Harris and I put a huge amount of stock in Shannon...
(Take note: this comment was made after the season was over. I never call for an HC to be fired until the season is over; even Tommy Bowden...)
TRIPPA06
· 11 months ago
Too much talent on that roster to be making those stats... I am an outsider looking in but I don't understand how Jacory wasn't the starter before the bowl game.
Mr2Bits
· 11 months ago
Randy better watch who he throws under the bus as he is up next. I gurantee if Miami doesn't win 8 games next year Shannon is looking for a new gig.
Ramblin' Gator
· 11 months ago
I can't say I'm too surprised. Nix's offense at Georgia Tech generally underperformed ("throw the damn ball to Calvin Johnson!" was a common refrain in Atlanta) and the clock management at the end of the Emerald Bowl could be used as an educational film (i.e. how NOT to run a two minute offense). Nix seems like a smart guy, though he has not pulled it all together, yet.
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 11 months ago
That two-minute drill was absolutely the worst I'd ever seen outside of high school football, but I think it was more of the QB's fault. Coaching was a close second..
BTW: Why didn't he throw it to Calvin Johnson more?
Ramblin' Gator
· 11 months ago
Why didn't he throw it to Calvin Johnson more?
I wish I knew. Some people blamed Nix. Others blamed Regiie Ball. IMO, 25% of their plays should have gone to CJ, though it was never anywhere near that.
Nix did assemble a nice list of upset wins over teams like Auburn, Clemson, and Miami while in Atlanta, so he's not an idiot, though his offenses seem to struggle for consistency.
berkmar58
· 11 months ago
Nix wasn't the whole problem, Miami was trying to run a Florida Gators two QB system with two young QB's with the same skill set, unlike florida who had a passer in leak and a runner in tebow. I am a miami fan and i have seen all there games but one and jacory is better than marve, and the sooner that coach shannon see's that the better.
hricane23
· 11 months ago
Despite the fact that they ran a few designed QB runs, they weren't trying to run Florida's two-headed QB system from 2 years ago. Marve ran 59 times, Jacory ran 40. Not a huge difference when you consider how much longer Marve was on the field.
They had two talented freshmen that didn't separate from each other during spring or fall practice. When the season came, Shannon decided that it was better to get Harris some experience, in the event Marve went down with an injury. The problem was that it didn't really work out that way, because Marve wasn't very effective. Then they bring Jacory in, and he's an instant fan favorite, since he's from Miami Northwestern. With every solid play Jacory makes, Marve's mistakes become bigger and bigger. If Marve had been effective, the coaches wouldn't have had to justify their decision to name him the starter.
berkmar58
· 11 months ago
Dude your trippin everyone know's if you have to play two QB's you really have none, i didn't mean that they wanted the same thing as florida had, but they were indecisive and it cost them in the long run. jacory is the better passer and marve is the better runner, but they can each can do both. marve is going to transfer anyway so miami is left with the better of the two.
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hricane23 wrote, in response to berkmar58:
Despite the fact that they ran a few designed QB runs, they weren't trying to run Florida's two-headed QB system from 2 years ago. Marve ran 59 times, Jacory ran 40. Not a huge difference when you consider how much longer Marve was on the field.
They had two talented freshmen that didn't separate from each other during spring or fall practice. When the season came, Shannon decided that it was better to get Harris some experience, in the event Marve went down with an injury. The problem was that it didn't really work out that way, because Marve wasn't very effective. Then they bring Jacory in, and he's an instant fan favorite, since he's from Miami Northwestern. With every solid play Jacory makes, Marve's mistakes become bigger and bigger. If Marve had been effective, the coaches wouldn't have had to justify their decision to name him the starter.
I just read that Miami QB Robert Marve has been granted a release and will transfer. The rumor is that Marve was closer to Nix than he was to Shannon and he (obviously) was unhappy about his two suspensions this year.
Is there another petition to sign that would let him leave early before our bowl game, count me in for that one...;-)
TigerEducated
· 11 months ago
Maybe Andre Smith could make a 3-way call with his agent...
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 11 months ago
OR Tebow could start calling recruits again. Maybe they'll throw him out if he does that. Wait. He didn't win the Heisman this year...
Lacks the 'punch' that it had last year...
Ramblin' Gator
· 11 months ago
Probably not in time for the BCS championship game, but there's a group of FSU boosters taking up a collection for bribing the NFL to up Tebow's draft status to early first round. ;-)
gatorhippy
· 11 months ago
Under the conditions of his release, Marve will not be able to transfer to an ACC or SEC school, and he is forbidden to transfer to any school within the state of Florida...
I understand blocking the ACC transfer but the next two seem a little...for lack of a better term..."Eff You!"-ish on the part of Shannon...
To see where I'm coming from though, we need to look at UCG's future OOC for 2010-11 which will be Marve's next (& last) two season's of play and take a look at the ACC bowl tie-ins shared with the SEC along with the conference's toal number of bowl tie-ins...
2010: FAMU, @ tOSU, @ PITT, USF 2011: tOSU, KSU, @ USF, and one more game TBD...
ACC/SEC Bowls: Chick-Fil-A (ACC #2 vsSEC #3/4/5) & Music City (ACC #5 vs SEC #6/7/8) Total tie-ins: 9
Putiing it all together...
UCG has only one OOC open date in 2011 but has already filled the others with 3 D-1 teams so assuredly a sacrificial goat is on the plate for the last slot...
Which more than likely would rule out an SEC opponent leaving the only chance of lining up against a SEC team in the two bowls out of the nine UCG could end up in...
Looking at the state schools on those future schedules, it's easy to realize the wise decision Shannon would be making if he chose to block Marve's transfer to USF given the increasing talent pool forming there and that the Canes would face Marve twice or FAMU simply because they are on the schedule...
But blocking his transfer to other in state schools is uneeded...
Why should Randy really care if Bob Marve wants to play at UF, UCF, FIU, or FAU if they aren't on the schedule when Marve's going to be there? Why would he especially care if Marve played for Bethune Cookman or Jacksonville U even if one of them WERE on the schedule?
It appears that Shannon's attitude is that if Marve won't play for him he won't play FBS ball anywhere in the Southeast...
CaneResurrection
· 11 months ago
Rumor has it that Marve's dad and high school coach has been in talks behind Coach Shannon's back with Tennessee, Bama, and LSU gauging interest in Marve. I applaud Shannon for dropping the hammer on the back alley meetings. Bottom line is that Marve (who I really liked) needs to man up and compete for his job, or at least not have his people doing recon work behind the scenes while he is still a member of a team.
FSU_Ben
· 11 months ago
They still are saying he can't go to those schools but part of the restriction was lifted. I say bravo to blocking the schools he talked to beforehand.
gatorhippy
· 11 months ago
Unfortunately, it looks like young Bobby has worked inside the NCAA Transfer rules...
A SA wanting to transfer may notify ANY school he or she is interested in in writing without gaining permission from their current institution...
It is then the "second" institution's responsibility to gain permission from the SA's current school to actually contact the athlete formally...
I haven't seen anything from UCG or Shannon's side to prove that the Marves' did anything outside those rules...
Sounds more like they wrote their letters and when schools came a-calling, Shannon decided to stick it to young Bob...
Marve can get a hearing from a UCG non-athletic comittee (similiar to the Warren deal last year at FSU) in order to have ANY of the transfer blocks removed...
FSU_Ben
· 11 months ago
Well if he gets the block removed he should play at USF. How perfect a school as it can get adequete reciever recruits, compete for a BCS bowl and National Titles and doesn't have hundreds (or any) of 5-star quarterback recruits lining up to play there. It would be a perfect fit. Easy -BCS- conference and a nice looking OOC schedule (I mean they scheudle decent teams). This is the school to get noticed at and replaced Miami in the big east, what better way to get revenge then to bring USF to a level that they really do REPLACE miami in the big east! I think it's a perfect fit!
CaneResurrection
· 11 months ago
Not gonna happen. Although I wish it would, that way Marve can see what Spence can do when allowed to hit him in the mouth on the blitz.
FSU_Ben
· 11 months ago
Miami has USF coming up? Didn't realize. Seems like FSU and UF don't want to play USF (some fear of giving them legitimacy maybe). I think USF is ok to play now, not causing harm to either program should they lose.
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 11 months ago
"I had to get out," Marve told the AP from his family's home in Tampa. "I just decided that I can't play for coach Shannon."
He certainly knows how to endear himself to any new coach with statements like that...
HELLO FCS team!!!!
FSU_Ben
· 11 months ago
Another update: According to ESPN Marve can now play for any SEC school except those that he talked to prior to his release or shortly after (so not Florida, LSU, or Tennessee).
The other two restrictions are still in place. He cannot play for an ACC team or for a team in Florida (didn't notice any specifics on whether that was FBS or any team period).
CaneResurrection
· 11 months ago
His best bet would be to go to an App State or possibly a GA Southern.
FSU_Ben
· 11 months ago
He probably needs such a humbleing experience but I doubt Mr. Florida Football is going to settle for those.
CaneResurrection
· 11 months ago
Plus, he could play next year. Brock Berlin could have been a more consistent QB if not for sitting out a year.
CaneResurrection
· 11 months ago
The rumor now regarding Nix's replacement is that Shannon is doing his homework on Danny Langsdorf. I haven't seen much of Oregon State, but what I have seen, he would be a good choice. They have a good balanced attack. He gave USC's defense fits this year, and has beat the Trojans 2 out of the last 3. Anybody heard any other rumors?
CaneResurrection
· 10 months ago
Miami has lifted the in state restrictions as far as USF and UCF are concerned, since Eugene has stated that he wants Ribert close to home. But the Marves are still upset that the three SEC schools are still off limits. How much closer to home can he get than USF? I think this shows the Marves for what they really are.
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That late-game time management was horrendous, but given the tremendous youth on the field on offense, I don't see how Nix could be blamed exclusively for that.
I certainly saw this season as tremendous progress over the disastrous '06 and '07 seasons, and I seriously doubt that this season's performance reflects negatively on Shannon.
Still, however, I think this was a bad move by Shannon, IMHO...
I also thought that Miami had seemed much improved this year. In the last few years I had just thought that they were terribly overrated, and yet in this year, I kinda thought that they were underrated. In this year, I had thought that the whole ACC was underrated, and that Miami was playing in a real tough conference. California jumped out on them, and it seemed like it might be a beatdown, but the Canes battled back real well. Cal has a pretty good defense over there. They have had one for a few years now. I agree that the whole Miami team was very young. The QB Marve was not in the game - and Miami played pretty well in the Bowl game. Better than I expected them to. To bad, but in this world, we always have to have somebody to blame.
Looks like Marve had other reasons for heading out, and as the story keeps coming out, Nix and Shannon were having conflicts on top of any on-field issues that the HC may have had with the OC. That's fine, I guess, if it wasn't working, it wasn't working.
I was under the opinion things were going a lot better internally than they appear to have been, so who knows?
So long as the 'Canes keep improving, I'll be happy. I really like Harris and I put a huge amount of stock in Shannon...
(Take note: this comment was made after the season was over. I never call for an HC to be fired until the season is over; even Tommy Bowden...)
BTW: Why didn't he throw it to Calvin Johnson more?
I wish I knew. Some people blamed Nix. Others blamed Regiie Ball. IMO, 25% of their plays should have gone to CJ, though it was never anywhere near that.
Nix did assemble a nice list of upset wins over teams like Auburn, Clemson, and Miami while in Atlanta, so he's not an idiot, though his offenses seem to struggle for consistency.
They had two talented freshmen that didn't separate from each other during spring or fall practice. When the season came, Shannon decided that it was better to get Harris some experience, in the event Marve went down with an injury. The problem was that it didn't really work out that way, because Marve wasn't very effective. Then they bring Jacory in, and he's an instant fan favorite, since he's from Miami Northwestern. With every solid play Jacory makes, Marve's mistakes become bigger and bigger. If Marve had been effective, the coaches wouldn't have had to justify their decision to name him the starter.
have none, i didn't mean that they wanted the same thing as florida had,
but they were indecisive and it cost them in the long run. jacory is the
better passer and marve is the better runner, but they can each can do
both. marve is going to transfer anyway so miami is left with the better
of the two.
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Subject: [fanblogs] Re: OC Patrick Nix Fired at Miami
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 02:55:02 -0000
hricane23 wrote, in response to berkmar58:
Despite the fact that they ran a few designed QB runs, they weren't
trying to run Florida's two-headed QB system from 2 years ago.
Marve ran 59 times, Jacory ran 40. Not a huge difference when you
consider how much longer Marve was on the field.
They had two talented freshmen that didn't separate from each other
during spring or fall practice. When the season came, Shannon
decided that it was better to get Harris some experience, in the
event Marve went down with an injury. The problem was that it
didn't really work out that way, because Marve wasn't very
effective. Then they bring Jacory in, and he's an instant fan
favorite, since he's from Miami Northwestern. With every solid
play Jacory makes, Marve's mistakes become bigger and bigger. If
Marve had been effective, the coaches wouldn't have had to justify
their decision to name him the starter.
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Lacks the 'punch' that it had last year...
I understand blocking the ACC transfer but the next two seem a little...for lack of a better term..."Eff You!"-ish on the part of Shannon...
To see where I'm coming from though, we need to look at UCG's future OOC for 2010-11 which will be Marve's next (& last) two season's of play and take a look at the ACC bowl tie-ins shared with the SEC along with the conference's toal number of bowl tie-ins...
2010: FAMU, @ tOSU, @ PITT, USF
2011: tOSU, KSU, @ USF, and one more game TBD...
ACC/SEC Bowls: Chick-Fil-A (ACC #2 vsSEC #3/4/5) & Music City (ACC #5 vs SEC #6/7/8)
Total tie-ins: 9
Putiing it all together...
UCG has only one OOC open date in 2011 but has already filled the others with 3 D-1 teams so assuredly a sacrificial goat is on the plate for the last slot...
Which more than likely would rule out an SEC opponent leaving the only chance of lining up against a SEC team in the two bowls out of the nine UCG could end up in...
Looking at the state schools on those future schedules, it's easy to realize the wise decision Shannon would be making if he chose to block Marve's transfer to USF given the increasing talent pool forming there and that the Canes would face Marve twice or FAMU simply because they are on the schedule...
But blocking his transfer to other in state schools is uneeded...
Why should Randy really care if Bob Marve wants to play at UF, UCF, FIU, or FAU if they aren't on the schedule when Marve's going to be there? Why would he especially care if Marve played for Bethune Cookman or Jacksonville U even if one of them WERE on the schedule?
It appears that Shannon's attitude is that if Marve won't play for him he won't play FBS ball anywhere in the Southeast...
A SA wanting to transfer may notify ANY school he or she is interested in in writing without gaining permission from their current institution...
It is then the "second" institution's responsibility to gain permission from the SA's current school to actually contact the athlete formally...
I haven't seen anything from UCG or Shannon's side to prove that the Marves' did anything outside those rules...
Sounds more like they wrote their letters and when schools came a-calling, Shannon decided to stick it to young Bob...
Marve can get a hearing from a UCG non-athletic comittee (similiar to the Warren deal last year at FSU) in order to have ANY of the transfer blocks removed...
He certainly knows how to endear himself to any new coach with statements like that...
HELLO FCS team!!!!
According to ESPN Marve can now play for any SEC school except those that he talked to prior to his release or shortly after (so not Florida, LSU, or Tennessee).
The other two restrictions are still in place. He cannot play for an ACC team or for a team in Florida (didn't notice any specifics on whether that was FBS or any team period).