Fanblogs.com: OU set to hang new record on Longhorns
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
And another little known fact: over half those points were scored against Kansas, Oklahoma State, and Iowa State...
OU_Ron
· 1 year ago
That may be true WEA, but the next 10 is going to be hung on TEXAS !!!!
Zac
· 1 year ago
For your boyz sake it had better be more than 10, because I don't think 10 points will be enough for either to win this one.
Steve
· 1 year ago
The only 10 points that mattered where the ones between 45 (Texas) and 35 (OU). Great victory for the Horns.
NMLSooner
· 1 year ago
let's calculate how many years it would take Auburn to reach that plateu with this years offense!
OU_Ron
· 1 year ago
LMAO, no offense WEA, but that's funny........
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
You haven't read my answer yet....
Besides, it wasn't a dig on Oklahoma...
Ok, maybe a little...BUT IT'S TRUE!!!!!
1Tomcat
· 1 year ago
Nice comeback Dude at 3 to 5 points a game might take a while Hookem-Horns
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
Hey now, they just scored 13 on a top 15 team. That is an improvement.
Lennie Collins
· 1 year ago
1Tomcat if you were here with me I would buy you dinner. I usually make fun of your post but this one I will have to agree 100%. War Eagle Atlanta is good folks. So I will let him make it!
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
Well, at the historic current rate of 20.15 ppg for Auburn, it will take 31 more seasons after 2007 for Auburn to reach that plateau...
But before you laugh, realize that Oklahoma's historic ppg is only 26.42, which does add up after 1127 games over Auburn's 1118 games (again, all up to 2007)
But maybe all those points came against inferior competition, Auburn being in the SEC and Oklahoma being historically in the Big Two, Little Six...
So if you take the all time strength of schedule modifier found on CFBDW, Auburn's is 5th all-time with .75268, compared to Oklahoma's 23rd ranked SOS of .67890. Multiply those by the historic PPG and you get Oklahoma outscoring Auburn by 2.91 points per game. Woo hoo!!!!
But your original point was correct. Auburn's offense sucks this year.
***Any similarity between this post and any made by Ben Prather is strictly a coincidence and will not be made into it's own thread in the future...
OU_Fan
· 1 year ago
Great stats. However, before the Big 12 conference was formed, the "Big Two, Little Six" had three teams with a combined total of 12 national championships after 1945. The Big 8 held its own.
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
Actually, if you add OU's 7, UN's 5 and Colorado's 1, you get 13...
That's still a little top heavy...
OU_Fan
· 1 year ago
I came up with 12 only because I didn't add OU's 2000 trophy. It was obviously won while they were a member of the Big 12.
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
True, but in most statistical models, the Big 8 records now merge into the Big 12. It's confusing, yes, but it wouldn't be fair to say that the Big 12 has only won 2 MNCs ever--OU in 2000 and Texas in 2005.
OU_Fan
· 1 year ago
What I find interesting is throughout history, Auburn has played twice the amount of Div 1-AA, Division II, and Division III opponents than has OU. Just saying.
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
You can't really read much into that because the records reflect the current divisions of a school, not what they were in the past. For example, Auburn played Suwanee back at the turn of the 20th century because they were in the same conference, but Suwanee is Div III today, so it reflects that, even though we haven't played them in almost 80 years.
OU_Fan
· 1 year ago
I know, I know. Just having a little fun thats all.
don
· 1 year ago
Auburn is in the SEC, so therefore they have never faced a bad team.
OU_Fan
· 1 year ago
What are you talking about, most NFL teams couldn't hang with the SEC. There is just too much speed.
Lennie Collins
· 1 year ago
I guess Auburn Tigers are the missing link for the NFL to place a team in the great state of Alabama!
Lennie Collins
· 1 year ago
Go check Auburn PAST schedules and post the D-1AA and lower tier D-1A programs they have played in the past. Let's us determine if they are good or bad. One team comes to mind is "The" Citadel...the team that Auburn played in 2004 that kept them from playing Southern California. Look up "The" Citadel records and let me know how good they are!
foiled
· 1 year ago
Any record set at the expense of Texas is a good record but this one will be especially sweet.
lbu828694
· 1 year ago
they could score at least 10 and still lose. just something to keep in mind...
OU_Ron
· 1 year ago
I don't think you see anyone on here saying that we can't lose, anyone that say's that means that their tongue is working faster than their brain........
Lennie Collins
· 1 year ago
Well said OU Ron...Oklahoma is 7 point favorites and even the history don't mean a thing. What I mean by history is that Texas has rarely beat Oklahoma when Oklahoma is ranked #1 or #2. I think Texas has won twice and tied once. I could be wrong forgive me if I am wrong. That is why it is quiet in A-Town. Yes...there has been no beat OU talk in my workplace so I believe the fans are aware of that history. History don't mean a thing...Remember Navy at Notre Dame last year. I am up and so is my 7 year old son! I hope Oklahoma hangs two thirds a hun'red on Texas!
dave
· 1 year ago
The "dirt burglars" won't score will be beat by more than 10. Hook'em Horns! You can't spell PAYOUT without "OU".
OU_Ron
· 1 year ago
Amazing, the cow lovers show up just like roaches from the woodwork this time each year, you could even put Muschump on the field with your defense and they couldn't keep OU from scoring 10.........
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
I'm pretty sure you need the 'UT' to spell your word, too...
HoustonHorn
· 1 year ago
Facts: The Dirt Burglars have an overall losing record to Texas You can't spell PAYOUT without "OU". Two wins by Texas and two wins by Notre Dame puts Texas #2 all-time in wins behind Michigan. OU can't field a basketball team much less a football team without Texas players. Hook'em Horns!
NMLSooner
· 1 year ago
Facts: Post WWII Oklahoma has a winning record against saxet You can't spell PAYOUT without "UT" saxet can't field a decent football team without a head coach with OU on his resume saxet gets first pick of players in their state and we kick their tail with the leftovers.
OU_Ron
· 1 year ago
With a Oklahoma QB leading the way......
OU_Ron
· 1 year ago
" Two wins by Texas and two wins by Notre Dame puts Texas #2 all-time in wins behind Michigan " That should make you proud, you'll be # 2............
dfan
· 1 year ago
Win or loose, OU still sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PittsburghTiger
· 1 year ago
It's funny when you look at all-time victories.
If you look at some of the teams people played way back when. Also, I think 26% of UM's all-time wins came against six of the schools from the Big 10.
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
FYI: The top six all-time toughest SOS's:
1) Michigan
2) Georgia
3) Notre Dame
4) Georgia Tech
5) Auburn
6) Texas
What I can't figure out is this: Michigan's high SOS is from playing all the Big 10 teams, but where does ND's come from? They've only played Ohio State 5 times in 120 years and Michigan only around 36 times...
NMLSooner
· 1 year ago
ND, as much as I can't stand them, has historically been known to play tough schedules. They played Michigan a lot that would help, and play USC every year. They played Army when they were tough, and Oklahoma in the early '50's.
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
WEA:
Where did you get the SOS from? When I go to Billingsley's site, I can only get SOS broken down into ten year increments, and that is for whole conferences. Of course, the PAC 10 leads for the last 27 years, in case you wanted to know. But, seriously, where are you getting this data from. I'd like to check it out. It might be interesting to find a couple of sites that might have this.
I can't believe that Notre Dame would be that high either. They do play Southern Cal every year. They do play Michigan State and Michigan quite often. I'd like to try and figure out why Michigan is on top also. I'm not so sure that they have even played Notre Dame enough.
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
It's from College Football Data Warehouse, or cfbdatawarehouse.com They have a rankings index where they rank teams according to four factors, winning %, SOS %, MNCs and Big Four Bowl appearances. You can rank them for any decade, any quarter century, or for all-time.
I've gone on record saying that I discount their scores for MNCs and Big Four Bowl appearances, but the rest of it is pretty straight up. You can further break down the rankings by any of the categories.
For the general all-time ranking index, click here.
Yes, I don't know where ND gets such a lofty SOS, considering they were black-balled by non-Catholics for centuries...
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
WEA:
This thing looks way top heavy on Big 10 teams. I was hopin' that there was some kinda explaination. Georgia is # 2 and Auburn is # 5 and all the other SEC teams are much lower. Why would that be? Southern Cal is # 19? Northwestern is in the Top Ten? I know alittle about the history of college football before I was born. Back in very olden times: Michigan, Nebraska, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Vanderbilt and Alabama were all good. USC was a dominate school and so was California. The PAC 10 has always done well against Big 10 teams - even when it used to be called the Pacific Coast Conference. I think that the Big 10 had an edge in Rose Bowl wins for awhile - but not since I've been alive. So, I fail to understand why it is that the Big 10 dominates the SOS rankings.
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
The only hypothesis I can formulate, Tommy, is that teams that play the heavyweights get the stronger SOS, even if that particular team isn't very good themselves. Auburn's is up there because historically, we played the top 3 teams in the SEC every year--AL, TN, and GA.
GA Tech was in the SEC for 30+ years, so maybe that's why the still have a high ranking, and even teams like Indiana are up there because they have to play the midwest biggees every year.
CFBDW has never said where they got their numbers for SOS from. It could be as simple as the historic winning % of every team you've ever played. Who knows?
In their ranking index, I like the idea, but I tend to want to throw out two of their criteria used--the MNC totals and the Big 4 bowl appearances. I don't know if you saw this in the off-season, but I took a shot at how many actual MNCs the historic powers have once you wash away the bullshit.
As far as throwing out Big Four bowl appearances in the weighting, I don't like the fact that all teams haven't been always eligible for these bowls--for example, the Rose Bowl, which was off limits to most schools for decades. I just think there's got to be a better way...
But, as far as comparing historic teams against each other, it's a start. You can also compare conference performances.
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
WEA:
That's pretty good what you came up with on those MNC's. I didn't read everyone's bitchin' and complaining - but what you came up with makes alot of sense to me. Heck, looks like about 40 different NC's were handed out back in the day. Looks like Princeton was winning to me. Now, with all of those different ranking systems and whatnot, how in the world could anyone ever come up with a proper SOS for anything? I just can't see that anything could ever be accurate. I think that it would be impossible to calculate that task. Maybe if there were full rating systems for every team, combine every single average, and formulate one complete "Power Rating" for each and every year - maybe. But, again, I know that there would be very few polls that rated every single team. Therefore, the idea of an historic SOS, has just got to be BS. That's just my opinion of what you have just shown me. It has to be impossible to formulate.
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
I've sent them two emails asking how they tabulated SOS, but they never replied. It would be nice to know how they did it...
But what bothers me worse is that they seemingly just accept what a school claims for MNCs. That's just a free-for-all...
PrinceMarko
· 1 year ago
You guys are looking at Michigan and ND's recent history and who they play as a SOS variable.
Michigan played the ivy league schools early on that were absolutely dominate in the country. Along with the Big Ten being very strong throughout last century and Rose Bowl games vs USC/UCLA.
Notre Dame's schedule consisted of Army, Navy, USC, Michigan, Miami and a host of national championship contenders throughout last century also.
USC has had spells where they are absolute monsters on the field and then decades where they are mediocre. Only recently that Pete Carroll has had the program they have had extraordinary success.
The Auburns and Florida's are just recently good programs. I remember when Florida wasnt even discussed as a top program in the SEC let alone the country.
The SEC has only been the top conference in the past 4-5 years. Other than that, its been the Big 12 and Big 10 that has taken that title traditionally.
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
Marko:
Yep, it's pretty clear that Michigan had probably played those Ivy schools for around forty years in the begining. That would be one reason for the big rise in the SOS. I don't remember any decades where USC was ever mediocre in my lifetime. There was aperiod of time thru the 90's where other PAC teams rose up and were better than they were though. But, 9-3 and 8-4 records are not quite mediocre. Prior to that, I think in the 40's and 50's, Southern Cal was not the dominate team out west. In all other decades they have been though. The SEC has had good teams all the way through time. That conference went to far more bowl games than any other conferences. They did not have spectacular teams, other than Alabama, but they did have real good teams.
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
Consider the neighborhood. Auburn is ranked 4th all-time in the SEC in conference winning percentage, only exceeded by AL, TN, and GA, respectively. We rank 13th nationally in all time wins. We don't win many MNCs, but we're no pushover...
Nobody is doubting that the SEC is an incredibly strong conference and that Auburn is a national powerhouse now. But if you go back 120 years, the SEC is not a dominant conference compared to the Big Ten/Big 12 historically.
There is no doubt that the SEC today is most likely the strongest conference, but to claim it is the strongest conference of all time, thru every decade college football has been played is asinine.
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
Well, no conferences have been around that long, so it's a moot argument. Current conference records are comprised of the all-time totals of the current members. In the case of the SEC, most of it's current members have been playing together since 1895, when the SIAA debuted, which gave way to the southern then Southeastern conferences. The Big 10(11) have been together under the same name for the longest, ever since they changed the name of the old Western Conference, but it's the same thing.
Also, I didn't say that the SEC was the best conference for every single decade. I said that they were the best conference if you added up every single decade...
1Tomcat
· 1 year ago
WEA This week the Horns play #1 OU next week #2 Missouri, then #17 OK state followed by #7 Texas Tech has any team every faced #1 & #2 in consecutive weeks or four ranked teams in a row three top ten ? Purty tough schedule Of Course this will all change because the B-12 is going to whup up on each other and everybody gets a shot at UT including KU and perhaps Missu twice SOS can only be determined after the season is over Hookem-Horns
OU Fan
· 1 year ago
According to some -- including SoonerStats.com and CFB Data Warehouse -- they passed 30,000 in the 1st quarter against Baylor. Not sure where the DOK got their numbers.
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
Some stat sites get real persnickety as to when they started tabulating their data for a team. Some start it when a team played their first game ever, some begin when a team joined a conference, some when the team declared themselves a 'varsity' team rather than a club team. Not a lot of standardization way back when, hence the different results...
I say 'take it from the top'. Things seem to even themselves out over 120 years...
DizzOU08
· 1 year ago
I sure hope we play like we have everything to lose. I really want to play and slaughter that crybaby "Chase"n" Oklahoma" Daniel at the end of the year and squash his big mouth for the third time in a year. At least Colt Mccoy hasnt opened his mouth and let some crap come flying out that I have heard. Boomer Sooners!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OU_Ron
· 1 year ago
I agree, McCoy shows class, Chase "pus gut " Daniel has none.....
TexasZack
· 1 year ago
Does anyone remember that sign from some Missou game last year that said "Chase Daniel eats boogers. Youtube it." .... well I did... and it's quite funny.
Lennie Collins
· 1 year ago
I hope the Sooners hang half hun'red on 'em in the process!
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
Okay, since no one else is man enough to ask: what's a dirt burglar?
Troll count in this special edition Red River Shootout thread: Horns 3, Boomers 0.
OU_Ron
· 1 year ago
LOL, that is what the less intelligent Texicans call the Sooners, another phrase for Land Thieves, goes back to the land run when some of the participants jumped the starting gun by a week or two........or three....or, well you get the picture...
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
I'm just glad it bears no similarity to turd burglar, Ron...
:-)
And since I have your attention, oh great guru of the pigskin prognosticating, which game do you decree to be a lock this weekend ( other than RRS)??
Speaking of which, I think I heard Brent Musberger call it the 'Red River Series' this past weekend. Sorry, Brent. 'S' stands for Shoot-Out and Senile...
OU_Ron
· 1 year ago
How about Auburn and the Hogs ????? I have no idea, I'm going to pick my usual way, drop two teams names in a hat and draw one...........I don't look to be on top too long...lol
1Tomcat
· 1 year ago
Thats pretty funny stuff Ron, no wonder your whupin everybody on there. BTW thats the same way I pay my bills, and if they keep hastiling me I wont even put theirs in the hat.- just joking Ive heard of some making picks based upon which uniform looks meaner or which color like orange over red BTW a Tiger should beat a Hog
OU_Ron
· 1 year ago
TC, thats what I was thinking..
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
Can you believe that Auburn is a 19 point favorite to open? Someone sure does have a sense of humor out there...
NMLSooner
· 1 year ago
19 points! how will they even score that many! They're going to have to get at least 4 safeties and a pick 6 to get to 19. :)
1Tomcat
· 1 year ago
WEA Just because of that danged poltically correct B/S cant say shootout anymore, they have removed the word shootout. Its now officially known as the Red River Rivalry or Red River Series, but we still refer to it as RRS game Red River Shootout.
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
Has Michael Adams and Bernie Machen, the presidents of Georgia and Florida, been hassling you guys? They're the ones who had the bright idea to quit calling the match between their schools the World's Largest Outdoor Cocktail Party, because it promoted binge drinking, which is baaadddddd....
Actually, it they just cut it down to an aronym, it would be ok with me: WLOCP... I hate having to type that damn much...
JB
· 1 year ago
lol, now is the moment of truth......this is for bragging rights for the rest of the regular season......after this game we no longer have to hear all of the OUT chatter...idk OU+UT share the U and =OUT...no significance just a stupid combination of words that happened to make another word......who knows maybe it will end up like h...
1Tomcat
· 1 year ago
JB Na its a year round life long thing carried on for decades you really wouldnt understand. Look whoever wins, wins that game period, its just one game between heated rivals.Now this might not make any sense to yall, but lets look at it this way OU doesnt like UT and vice-versa. We as UT fans get a lot of pleasure watching OU lose, we liked it when they got beat by Colo, TTech and WV and we always pull against them, the Bois St game was fun to watch and we clap and cheer when they lose to TCU, A&M or even KSU. Put it to ya this way, even though they are from the same conference and all it doesnt matter, we want to win and see them lose. Texas has nothing to lose and everything to lose, If UT wins alright, thats a great victory over a hated rival, but its just one game and anything can happen. Look these guys were anointed conference champs before the season even started, well they havent earned anything yet and they have to play UT this week, not Baylor or TCU. UT will be the underdog which is purty cool and the boys are fired up and ready. Hookem-Horns
Bama_Babe
· 1 year ago
1Tomcat:
I think JB and the rest of us here in the SEC know a little bit about heated rivalries. No need for the explanation..
1Tomcat
· 1 year ago
Thanks Bama-Babe, but all the B/S between the two never stops I've noticed that most SEC fans pull for SEC teams in OCC games or Bowls BTW I'd love to see a UT vs Bama or a UT vs LSU game
Bama_Babe
· 1 year ago
I see your point Tomcat. I guess what I was saying is it depends on the team and its rival. I can tell you, I loved watching UT lose to UCLA, although it made the SEC look bad. And the Bama-AU stuff pretty much never ends in this state. But I do recall the story gatorhippy is referring to, and I can't say I've heard of anything like that happening here...but who knows?
You can feel the hate during a Bama-UT game. Especially in recent years with the whole Fulmer situation. I've never been to the game in Knoxville, but I'm going this year. BTW, I heard this past weekend Tennesee tickets were up on eBay for the N. Illinios game for $10.....and they weren't selling. Sad. haha.
Anyways, I'm looking forward to the RRS, especially since Alabama has the weekend off. It should be a good game. Good luck to your Longhorns!
Roll Tide!
OU_Ron
· 1 year ago
What, no love for the Sooners ?? ;-)
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
Treacherous babe...
Bama_Babe
· 1 year ago
Haha, I had a feeling one of you Sooners were going to comment on that.
I actually went out to Norman when Bama played OU a few years back. It was one of my favorite road game atmospheres. One of the nicest fanbases, too.
I actually had a mission while I was there. I asked several OU fans why the logo was "OU" if it was "The University of Oklahoma". No one could give me an answer. It seems to run in the Big 12, like with Colorado ("CU") and Kansas ("KU"). Maybe one of you Oklahoma fans can explain?? I'm just curious! :)
Good luck to your Sooners! ;)
OU_Ron
· 1 year ago
Thanks, but don't call Texas TU, something about that rubs'em the wrong way..............that's why I like to call them TTTTUUUUUUUU......
Bama_Babe
· 1 year ago
I'm guessing that's a 'no' on answering my question...
;)
OU_Ron
· 1 year ago
they're all alike !!!
1Tomcat
· 1 year ago
Bama-Babe When I refer to UT I mean Texas, you are refering to Tenn I'd like to see Texas vs Alabama or Texas vs LSU been a while. Thanks given the History of the two programs it would be great to match-up in an Bowl. Too early in the season to really speculate about BCS bowls, but I believe # 2 or #3 B-12 plays # 2 or #3 SEC in the Cotton.
gatorhippy
· 1 year ago
Yeah, that's true, BB...
But no Bammer has ever gotten their nut sack rippped when they walked into a bar in Auburn...
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
Well, it's never too late to start a tradition....
WarEagleFan
· 1 year ago
If they did you wouldn't read about it in the paper
NMLSooner
· 1 year ago
by a church deacon no less
Lennie Collins
· 1 year ago
I read a few years(2005) ago that an Alabama fan went on a stabbing spree and took out 5 Auburn fans.
Jokelahomo
· 1 year ago
Choklahomo loses the games that matter most....Championships and BCS bowls. Last year was particularly entertaining to watch them lose to a team that didn't even have their head coach, for crying out loud!! For all the big talk that comes out of normass each year you'd think those idiots would be able to actually win something besides a Baylor game. Hilarious!!!
OU_Ron
· 1 year ago
Yea you're right, I've given up on bowl games, all we can do is win Conference Championships and whip the horns ass as an added bonus......
OU_Fan
· 1 year ago
Does your team have more national championships than Oklahoma??
Lennie Collins
· 1 year ago
OU Ron & OU Fan...have you learn not to response to these drive by posters. For all we know it could be a Texas fan in disguise. If they have no icon by their handle do like I do...tell them to go else where. If you have no courage to even mention your team or put it by your handle then it's a clown wanting to get a laugh! Hey I not question his opinion just his courage.
WarEagleFan
· 1 year ago
h.....
WarEagleFan
· 1 year ago
Not trying to start anything but...... That statement sounds alot like some of my friends who are bama fans would say.
Lennie Collins
· 1 year ago
You didn't refer to them has your "buddies" so you should not have started anything!
WarEagleFan
· 1 year ago
That comment should have been under OU-FAN's comment about MNC but it ened up down here anyway I just didn't wnat to upset any OU fans by comparing them to Bama fans....
Lennie Collins
· 1 year ago
While Oklahoma and Alabama are #1 and #2 I expect the "hate" for Oklahoma mainly to flow. While you posting, I am very shocked that Texas fans are not posting on here their 'bitter" hatred for Oklahoma. I ain't gone lie I used to have a "bitter" hatred for Texas but I know realize this is entertainment for me. Those coaches and players and university has not done a thing for me to hate them. I ain't gone lie again, I would love Oklahoma beat mess out Texas 63-7!
Bama_Babe
· 1 year ago
Nice, WEF, nice.
Roll Tide! ;)
USC1801
· 1 year ago
I love OU and Texas games!! And I'm SEC thru and thru. It brings back the good ol' days of Keith Jackson calling the play-by-play. . . back when OU and Texas had dominant teams. Teams that could run the ball down your throat. My expectations aren't as high now but the tradition is there, and it's still fun to watch. No hate for either team, but I'd like to see Texas win . . . they've been down for soooo long, I feel sorry for them.
Go Gamecocks!
Lennie Collins
· 1 year ago
Texas been down for sooo long? You have just given Texas fans a reason to attack you!
TampaGator
· 1 year ago
Yeah, I know what you mean about Texas....that last National Championship they won back in the stone age, is like in grainy black & white...darnit...who was that quarterback? Nimble fella'....
Young-something or other, I think it was....
...them poor 'horns...
GO GATORS!!
OU_Ron
· 1 year ago
I remember him, I remember something on the news not long ago about ending it all, I think it has something to do with his college choice, I think he shoulda gone to OU....
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
Yeh, 2005 was soooo looooong ago. It seems to me that Texas is the team that won the last National Championship for the Big 12. Colt McCoy had to step in for Vince Young when he was only a true freshman. Had Vince Young not left early for the NFL - then Texas might have taken another MNC in 2006. Anyway, the young QB at Texas has had to mature for the last two years. This is not quite the same Texas team as it has been in the last two. Not that Oklahoma hasn't had similar problems. They have. When Bomar was let go - Oklahoma has suffered thru the same problems. Sam Bradford had to step in as a RS Frosh last year. So, now you have two QB's that are in their 3rd years into these systems. It's gonna be very interesting to watch. But, Texas has not been down for sooooo looooong!
PrinceMarko
· 1 year ago
I'll have to say. As things are progressing now, I'll give the title for the toughest conference to the Big 12.
Thats a tough bunch of teams right now and besides LSU, Bama and maybe Florida, i dont see any other SEC teams matching up head to head with them.
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
Of course you'll give it to them. None of those teams have played each other yet. When they do, welcome to the SEC....
TampaGator
· 1 year ago
Well stated.
GO GATORS!!
1Tomcat
· 1 year ago
WEA Your right conference play has started
Oct 11 OU vs Texas Missu vs OK State Oct 18 Missu vs Texas Oct 25 OK State vs Texas Nov 1 Texas vs Texas Tech Nov 8 Texas Tech vs OK State Nov 22 Texas Tech vs OU Nov 29 OU vs OK State XII Champ game to be announced
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
Marko:
Where do you guys come from? They play defense in the SEC! Have you not ever watched recent history? Wasn't Ohio State the great "offensive juggernaut" of the past two years? What happened to those offense's when they played Florida and LSU? What happened to those great Oklahoma "juggernaut's" that had to play LSU in 03' and Southern Cal in 04'? Defense is what happened to those great offensive teams. You really can't see any of those SEC teams matching up head-to-head with the Big 12 teams? What I can't see is how any team from the Big 12 could ever defend Florida. And, with the power football that LSU and Alabama play, I'm not so sure that they wouldn't just pound the rock down the throat of any Big 12 that they played. Keep in mind, that they really do have outstanding secondaries in the SEC, and coupled with tremendous pass rushing defensive linemen - you are not gonna throw the ball very well on SEC teams. Therefore, you must pound the rock in the same manner in which they do it. If you can't play that game - you will lose. Oh, I think that the SEC would do just fine against the passing attacks that are coming out of the Big 12.
1Tomcat
· 1 year ago
Tommie T Look you a stats guy right and thats fine it makes for an interesting read. In this weeks RRS game throw all the stats and rankings out the window FYI Rushing D
Both Teams look real strong in every catagory Hookem-Horns
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
Tomcat:
I really like the "yards per play" stats. That's where the rubber hits the road. Most people don't ever consider that stat. I noticed that you did not give me the "passing stats for defense". I'm not too concerned with Oklahoma running the ball on Texas. But, I am a little concerned that the freshmen safeties may have trouble with the Oklahoma receivers. I have no doubt that Texas will probably score on Oklahoma. But, the Sooners have been going to the air way more often this year. The trouble that your boyz are gonna have is stopping that passing attack. If you can slow down the passing, or grab a couple of picks, you'll win the game. If Texas turns the ball over - then they will not. So Texas will have to hold onto the ball, minimize mistakes (less penalties), and slow Oklahoma's passing offense down. If they do those three things they can win this game.
Zac
· 1 year ago
Tommy T, that may be TX's best strategy - completely take away the run and make Sam Bradford win it for OK. Of course, the problem with that strategy lies in the fact that Sam Bradford could win it without run support.
1Tomcat
· 1 year ago
No Zac They were one dimensional against BU and won, this is a different team they are facing this week.They will have to mix it up more and the Texas D is alot better. It will all come down to turnovers and which QB is in a hurry and turns it over more. Can OU shut down the Texas running game , I dont think so, BU ran the ball on them, so they bring up more up front and get burned on the pass. OU has the best O-Line in the nation and they havent faced Texas yet. OU's real strength is the hurry up-no huddle, so the defense has trouble making substitutions and adjustments, they fire the ball quickly and strike fast. They usually get ahead of infereior opponents early and the other team changes their gameplan trying to catch-up-EX TCU. They must have learned that hurry up- no huddle from playing Texas every year. This game will be a real hard fought tough game for both teams. Both programs are looking foward to this RRS game. Hookem-Horns
PrinceMarko
· 1 year ago
1. Florida has no defense this year.(2006 was an outrageously good defense, they cannot duplicate that) Missouri would put up 70 points on Florida's defense this year, and Tebow and Co. arent clicking like they did last year. LSU lost a TON of talent to the NFL on defense.
I understand that defense wins games and championships, but LSU and Bama have given up 300-400 yards against teams that have an offense. And i'm not sold on the SEC defense this year, I think they are slightly above-average. Sure speed makes up for it some, but a Chase Daniels or Mark Sanchez is still going to throw for 300 yards against any SEC defense and put up 30 points.
2. I didnt say any of those SEC teams can match up with the Big 12 teams, I simply implied that the top 6 teams from the Big 12 are better than the top 6 from the SEC this year.
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
Marko:
Okay, your right. Re-read the post and you did mention LSU, Florida and Alabama. But, Georgia, Auburn, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Tennessee, South Carolina and even Mississippi - are all pretty decent teams. I'm not too sure that Kansas and Oklahoma State are any better than any of these teams. The Top Four in the Big 12 are some really good teams. But, the SEC also has four very good teams. Just because Georgia lost to Alabama - does not mean they are not gonna end up pretty solid. To me, on paper, the conferences seem about equal. But, I'm telling you, the SEC teams are far more loaded up on defense. And, that wins big games. That is why the SEC has had the best Bowl percentage over the last several years.
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
Marko:
Florida currently stands at 11.4 ppg allowed (4th in the country) and 265.0 ypg (19th) allowed in total defense. There are only four teams that exceed both of those totals. They are: Kentucky, Auburn, Georgia Tech and Boston College. So, the reality is that, Florida probably has the 5th overall defense in the country at the current moment. Are you really gonna claim that they don't have any defense? Do you really think that Missouri would put up 70 on this defense? It's gonna be real hard to do when Missouri is never gonna have the ball.
PrinceMarko
· 1 year ago
Those stats are completely skewed since they havent played anyone really yet. LSU is their real first test after a mediocre Miss. put up 31 points on them. I fully expect LSU to put up 30 or more points on the Gators and Charlie Strong's awesome defensive planning(sarcasm).
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
Marko:
Well, if they've given up 30 to Mississippi (not mediocre BTW - much better than Michigan) - then that must mean that they have only given up 27 points to four other opponents. That would mean that they only give up 6.5 ppg normally. I'm not trying to make the point that Florida has an awsome defense. But, you have claimed that they are downright lousy, and that isn't even possible.
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
Right Margin Encroachment. On WEA. Penalty is from the left margin, repeat the last comment:
MARKO: Well, no conferences have been around that long, so it's a moot argument. Current conference records are comprised of the all-time totals of the current members. In the case of the SEC, most of it's current members have been playing together since 1895, when the SIAA debuted, which gave way to the southern then Southeastern conferences. The Big 10(11) have been together under the same name for the longest, ever since they changed the name of the old Western Conference, but it's the same thing.
Also, I didn't say that the SEC was the best conference for every single decade. I said that they were the best conference if you added up every single decade...
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
Wow! 100 comments! This is the most popular OU-Ron tipped thread since that ill-fated Komatsu Owners and Texas Fans are Gay piece a while back...
OU_Ron
· 1 year ago
It was Kobelco, Komatsu owners are straight !!
1Tomcat
· 1 year ago
We have a Ford and I own stock in Deere & Caterpillar, but I really like Kubota Has this thread gotton off topic ? BTW ESPN classic has been showing some old RRS games, one this afternoon was 1994 and it was only 14 years ago, my how the game has changed 17-10 final score. I really find it hard to beleive they showed a Texas victory, its early in the week, we will probably see Simms throw the interception again to Roy Williams- probably have seen that highlight a thousand times- they ought to show the Bomar fumble returned for a TD by Rod Wright-now that was a good one. UT was running the ball with Walker and Preist Holmes they had a boy on the sidelines watching, wouldnt let him play- named Ricky Williams, oh BTW the OC for OU was Watson Brown-Mack's brother
USC1801
· 1 year ago
TTrojan:
Must I really defend my statement that Texas has been down for soooo long? Granted, there was hyperbole in the air but throwing around some stats might show you what I mean - for instance, during the 20 yrs that Darrell Royal coached, Texas finished (underline that) in the top 20 no less than 15 times. Of those 15 years, they FINISHED in the top 5 in the nation 9 times. Compared to these years, you can see the Mack Brown era is no where near as dominant. Hence, my comment, with mild exaggeration, of them being down. Hey, I hope they do win. . . it moves Alabama up in the rankings and solidifies the SEC at the top of the heap..
Go Gamecocks!
1Tomcat
· 1 year ago
USC1801 While I'm glad your pullin for the Horns check out www.texassports.com and click on football, then go to records, I beleive they are top ten in every catagory historically all time, not just since WWII. They are the winningest program in the B-12 conference and have had 7 -10+ win seasons in a row 10- 9+ win seasons and 4 straight bowl wins, including 2 BCS bowls and 1 nat champ title. When a team goes 11-2, 11-2, 10-3, 11-1, 13-0 . 10-3, 10-3, Ya they've been down, but not in recent years- won 5 outa last 6 bowls including wins over LSU, USC, Mich, AZ st, Iowa. Its always fun to see them beat Nebraska, Ohio st and Oklahoma BTW Texas has over 800 wins
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
Tomcat:
Thanks. I really didn't even want to try and respond to this guy. Seems he wanted to claim that Texas was "down" because they were not "up to" Darrell Royal's standards during the 1960's. Yep, that looks like 76-14 over the last seven years. Is that correct? That's about 11-2 per year. Yep, that is really being down. Man O man - where do these people crawl out of? Is there some kind of secret government experiment going on that I'm not aware of? Can you get ahold of the President and find out what's at the bottom of all this?
1Tomcat
· 1 year ago
Its all cool Tommy Heck I grew up living as a little kid in the projects of Austin when my Dad was a student at UT. BTW my cousin was an assistant coach that developed the wishbone formation. This formation was used by Paul Bryant and Barry Switzer, but Texas used it first. The success of the glory days always comes up and that's cool, if thats what people remember about Texas football its purty neat in my book. The game has changed alot and the old days of a real strong defense and powerful running game , while these are still very important , its just not enough anymore, things have changed. Now a days a team has to be strong in every aspect of the game and this includes the passing game and special teams. Another thing that has really changed is the integration. In the town where I live integration didn't start until 1966. The Horns 1969 team was all vannilla and even though those were great teams in their time they couldn't hang with the teams that Texas fields today. Spread offense, great passing game, special teams, running game and tough D plus the best players and coaching staff. The guys like Royall set the standard for others to follow and they serve as a great inspiration for the players today and Texas fans and Alum are proud of all the history and tradition. There has probably never been a better time for the Horns than right now. Throw all the records, stats and history out the friggin window- its OU week baby RRS game Hookem-Horns
Lennie Collins
· 1 year ago
Actually football historians give the credit for the wishbone to a guy in the 1950's to Charles Cason from Fort Worth, Texas. Sorry 1Tomcat Texas cannot take credit for it!
1Tomcat
· 1 year ago
You've been smokin too much crack-A-hole your wrong just like your social life OU Sux just like you-
Lennie Collins
· 1 year ago
Oh man 1Tomcat, I am shocked. What profanities! I guess you done upgraded from your silly posts to this. You need to check your tone from now on!
Porcine
· 1 year ago
I hearded it was Ballard.
Lennie Collins
· 1 year ago
Ballard who?
Porcine
· 1 year ago
Emory Ballard.
Lennie Collins
· 1 year ago
Oh!
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
Tomcat:
One of my Bud's, that's a longtime Bama fan, insists that Darrell Royal was great pals with Bear Bryant and taught him the offense. Your now the 2nd person who has verified that information. So, I guess that maybe Darrell Royal is "the Father of the Wishbone formation". Good luck on the game. It should be a great one.
1Tomcat
· 1 year ago
Tommie T Porky is right Emory Bellard was an assistant at Texas and developed the Wishbone. This formation was real hard to defend and Alabama, Oklahoma,Akansas and Rice adopted the same formation. Bellard coached high school ball, then was assistant at UT, then he was later HC at Texas A&M and Miss st. He went back into Texas high school ball prior to retirement.
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
Tomcat:
I do remember when Ballard was the Head Coach at Mississippi State. They were not much of a National power. So, I can't recall ever even seeing them play. But then, I must assume, that MSU was running the Wishbone offense also? Do you know if that is correct? That is interesting to know.
Personally, I really used to like that offense. I thought that it was the most exciting offense to watch. My 1st recollections were of Texas running it. I remember that they had Steve Wooster at FB, a guy named Gilbert at one RB, and I think that Jim Bertelson might have been another RB. Or, did he play fullback after Wooster left? Can't recall who the QB was. And, I thought that they had a great WR also. Then, Oklahoma and Alabama started using it, and Oklahoma was something to behold. Man, did they crank out the RB's.
1Tomcat
· 1 year ago
Tommie James Street was the QB and Cotton Spier was the WR, recalling from memory. Today ESPN classic was showing the 1996 RRS game. UT had 3 or 4 RB's playing rotation Shawn Mitchel, Preist Holmes and Ricky Williams. I dont remember who won, but the Sooners came back from behind and tied it up and it went into O.T. Tommie when did they start OT in CFB, I cant remember but it was before 96, time flys. BTW it was purty cool to watch and my how things have changed, doesnt seem like 12 yrs ago. Casey Hampton was and outstanding player on that team and they had another boy named Westbrook. Adios Tomcat
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
Tomcat:
The last year of tie games was in 1995 and Southern Cal actually did tie Washington 21-21. So, the first year of OT did occur in 1996. Thanx for settin' me straight on James Street and Cotton Spier. I remember those guys now. Real good teams that won the MNC.
USC1801
· 1 year ago
Tomcat:
I see your point. Perhaps it is perception from the eastcoast (or lack thereof) that Texas is not the powerhouse it used to be. SOS always plays a large part, of course, which is why we SEC folks are so adamant on our conference deserving the accolades it receives. But, of course, that statement opens a can of worms, too, as I've witnessed here from time to time. Thanks for taking the time to inform.
TTrojan: We crawl out of the same place you do. . . bed. Unfortunately, ours is not a bed of roses like yours (or is it a high horse?). You read between the lines. By the way, I'm sending a couple of agents to your house later today for questioning. I hear you want action from the top. . . .
1Tomcat
· 1 year ago
Hey USC1981 Its cool man I understand the obvious prejudice exhibited by SEC fans, Ive been on this blog site for some time. I've visited with LSU and Bama fans on here and I understand that the SEC is the dominate conference in your minds, it really has to do with regionalism. I really respect the SEC conference, but sometimes it seems that to me that football does exist outside the SEC. I know that's a hard concept to grasp, because everybody knows that the SEC rules right. Look I love CFB and it is a regional thing, I really cant say anything about the ACC I'm in a different part of the country and we tend to focus more on B-12 and C-USA- were you live its mostly SEC & ACC football, and then we have buddies like Mr. Ben who tend to focus on MWC,WAC and PAC. Its just a regional thing and its all cool man. As the season progresses the pretenders will be separated from the contenders and I agree that the system currently favors teams from B-10/11 and Pac-10, these arguments have been aired out repeatedly here on this site, and everybody knows that AU deserved a shot at the title game. Enjoyed visiting with ya hope I wasn't too long winded Thanks Go Cocks Hookem-Horns Adios Tomcat
Lennie Collins
· 1 year ago
What kind of "buddy" is Mister Ben to you all?
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
Lennie:
As you know, down in Texas, there is only "Steers and ......."
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
USC1801:
It's both. Make sure them agents don't knock. Only my friends would knock. If they got questions - I got answers.
OU_Ron
· 1 year ago
RRS celebration officially starts friday at around 6AM, that's when a caravan of Crimson an Cream flags, banners, tags,cars, trucks,vans,hats,shirts,shoes,ect, 250 miles long on I35 headed south to Dallas, with Bevo Bash stations set up at different locations along the way...........The only way it get's any better is when we leave Dallas with a Victory..........GO SOONERS......Beat Hell out of Texas
Lennie Collins
· 1 year ago
I hope after Oklahoma beats Texas...Bevo gets slaughtered at mid-field and the Sooners BBQ his behind while the Longhorn players look on with their hungry behinds wishing they could have some!
Zac
· 1 year ago
Guys, this thread did not disappoint. Though, as with most threads, it took the usual turn into SEC land (rightfully so, given some of the context), it's riddled with the OK Vs. TX smack that we've all grown to love. I’m just sorry 40 Acres of Burnt Orange & Bevo Boy are no-shows. It would have been cool to have them in the mix. Seems like Tomcat has had to carry most of the load, with a little help from the SEC. Cool posts one-&-all.
Now, for Zac's take.
The Red River Shootout is like any of the top college football rivalries. Throw out the stats. In this game anything goes; stats mean nothing. So, here goes nothing anyway.
Tomcat's provided some impressive stats on behalf of TX & OK. Here's the sad truth to those stats.
TX earned theirs against the likes of FL Int., UTEP, AR, RICE, & CO, who are a combined 11-15. Only one game rings out, and that was in Boulder, where TX absolutely man-handled the Buffs, 38-14. Of the 5 teams TX has played, CO is the only one which currently has a winning record, and is also the only team which scored 2 TD's on TX's 3rd/4th ranked defense.
OK's stats are equally impressive…& unimpressive. They've piled up their pt's and yardage against the likes of TN Chattanooga, Cinci, WA, TCU, & Baylor, who are a combined 12-14. But hold the phone. Cinci is 4-1 & TCU is 5-1, but OK beat each by 26 & 25 pts respectively. Then their's, Baylor, who scored 28 pts at UConn, 45 on WA St, but only 17 at home to OK.
Now, here's a stat Tomcat didn't mention. TX has committed 6 T.O.'s in 5 games, and currently hold a +1 advantage over their opponents. OK has only committed 4 T.O.'s in 5 games and hold a +5 advantage over their opponents.
Bottom line: OK will score at least 10 against TX, but they won't score the nearly 50 pts they've been averaging per game. TX will hold OK well below their scoring average, but they won't hold OK to the less than 12 pts they've been allowing per game. If both teams adopt a "make the opposing QB beat them" strategy, OK wins.
I expect a close one; closer than last year. OK 27, TX 25.
OU_Ron
· 1 year ago
As long as it's not 3-2
1Tomcat
· 1 year ago
Zac interesting analysis, like I said earlier throw all the stats, rankings, history-out the window. The T.O.s that you mentioned are a very important. First off I watched every game that UT played this season and while they may have had 6 I only remember 3, one was Chiles soph QB put it on the ground late in the 4th against Arkansas and the 2 int's last week @ Colo, the first one was Colt's, he shouldnt have thrown it, the other was the back-up tight end, should have caught it, but he tipped it off his hands. Its a good stat that you brought up, because this game could very well come down to one turnover if Texas loses or one bad call by the refs if Texas wins. Hookem-Horns
OU_Ron
· 1 year ago
Do you know what you call a good looking woman on the arm of a Texas fan at the OU/Texas RRS game ??..............a Tattoo !!!
cdogg
· 1 year ago
Oklahoma-31 Texas-24
wenplan
· 1 year ago
I predicted the score to be 31 -28 Texas. Wrong on score but right on who won. I have one comment for OU_Ron. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Hook 'em
OU_Ron
· 1 year ago
There's a name for a monkey that laughs like that, you must be one of those with a good looking woman on his arm.......!!
All Comments
Besides, it wasn't a dig on Oklahoma...
Ok, maybe a little...BUT IT'S TRUE!!!!!
Hookem-Horns
But before you laugh, realize that Oklahoma's historic ppg is only 26.42, which does add up after 1127 games over Auburn's 1118 games (again, all up to 2007)
But maybe all those points came against inferior competition, Auburn being in the SEC and Oklahoma being historically in the Big Two, Little Six...
So if you take the all time strength of schedule modifier found on CFBDW, Auburn's is 5th all-time with .75268, compared to Oklahoma's 23rd ranked SOS of .67890. Multiply those by the historic PPG and you get Oklahoma outscoring Auburn by 2.91 points per game. Woo hoo!!!!
But your original point was correct. Auburn's offense sucks this year.
***Any similarity between this post and any made by Ben Prather is strictly a coincidence and will not be made into it's own thread in the future...
That's still a little top heavy...
Hook'em Horns!
You can't spell PAYOUT without "OU".
The Dirt Burglars have an overall losing record to Texas
You can't spell PAYOUT without "OU".
Two wins by Texas and two wins by Notre Dame puts Texas #2 all-time in wins behind Michigan.
OU can't field a basketball team much less a football team without Texas players.
Hook'em Horns!
You can't spell PAYOUT without "UT"
saxet can't field a decent football team without a head coach with OU on his resume
saxet gets first pick of players in their state and we kick their tail with the leftovers.
That should make you proud, you'll be # 2............
If you look at some of the teams people played way back when. Also, I think 26% of UM's all-time wins came against six of the schools from the Big 10.
1) Michigan
2) Georgia
3) Notre Dame
4) Georgia Tech
5) Auburn
6) Texas
What I can't figure out is this: Michigan's high SOS is from playing all the Big 10 teams, but where does ND's come from? They've only played Ohio State 5 times in 120 years and Michigan only around 36 times...
Where did you get the SOS from? When I go to Billingsley's site, I can only get SOS broken down into ten year increments, and that is for whole conferences. Of course, the PAC 10 leads for the last 27 years, in case you wanted to know. But, seriously, where are you getting this data from. I'd like to check it out. It might be interesting to find a couple of sites that might have this.
I can't believe that Notre Dame would be that high either. They do play Southern Cal every year. They do play Michigan State and Michigan quite often. I'd like to try and figure out why Michigan is on top also. I'm not so sure that they have even played Notre Dame enough.
I've gone on record saying that I discount their scores for MNCs and Big Four Bowl appearances, but the rest of it is pretty straight up. You can further break down the rankings by any of the categories.
For the general all-time ranking index, click here.
To see the SOS rankings, click here.
Yes, I don't know where ND gets such a lofty SOS, considering they were black-balled by non-Catholics for centuries...
This thing looks way top heavy on Big 10 teams. I was hopin' that there was some kinda explaination. Georgia is # 2 and Auburn is # 5 and all the other SEC teams are much lower. Why would that be? Southern Cal is # 19? Northwestern is in the Top Ten? I know alittle about the history of college football before I was born. Back in very olden times: Michigan, Nebraska, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Vanderbilt and Alabama were all good. USC was a dominate school and so was California. The PAC 10 has always done well against Big 10 teams - even when it used to be called the Pacific Coast Conference. I think that the Big 10 had an edge in Rose Bowl wins for awhile - but not since I've been alive. So, I fail to understand why it is that the Big 10 dominates the SOS rankings.
GA Tech was in the SEC for 30+ years, so maybe that's why the still have a high ranking, and even teams like Indiana are up there because they have to play the midwest biggees every year.
CFBDW has never said where they got their numbers for SOS from. It could be as simple as the historic winning % of every team you've ever played. Who knows?
In their ranking index, I like the idea, but I tend to want to throw out two of their criteria used--the MNC totals and the Big 4 bowl appearances. I don't know if you saw this in the off-season, but I took a shot at how many actual MNCs the historic powers have once you wash away the bullshit.
As far as throwing out Big Four bowl appearances in the weighting, I don't like the fact that all teams haven't been always eligible for these bowls--for example, the Rose Bowl, which was off limits to most schools for decades. I just think there's got to be a better way...
But, as far as comparing historic teams against each other, it's a start. You can also compare conference performances.
That's pretty good what you came up with on those MNC's. I didn't read everyone's bitchin' and complaining - but what you came up with makes alot of sense to me. Heck, looks like about 40 different NC's were handed out back in the day. Looks like Princeton was winning to me. Now, with all of those different ranking systems and whatnot, how in the world could anyone ever come up with a proper SOS for anything? I just can't see that anything could ever be accurate. I think that it would be impossible to calculate that task. Maybe if there were full rating systems for every team, combine every single average, and formulate one complete "Power Rating" for each and every year - maybe. But, again, I know that there would be very few polls that rated every single team. Therefore, the idea of an historic SOS, has just got to be BS. That's just my opinion of what you have just shown me. It has to be impossible to formulate.
But what bothers me worse is that they seemingly just accept what a school claims for MNCs. That's just a free-for-all...
Michigan played the ivy league schools early on that were absolutely dominate in the country. Along with the Big Ten being very strong throughout last century and Rose Bowl games vs USC/UCLA.
Notre Dame's schedule consisted of Army, Navy, USC, Michigan, Miami and a host of national championship contenders throughout last century also.
USC has had spells where they are absolute monsters on the field and then decades where they are mediocre. Only recently that Pete Carroll has had the program they have had extraordinary success.
The Auburns and Florida's are just recently good programs. I remember when Florida wasnt even discussed as a top program in the SEC let alone the country.
The SEC has only been the top conference in the past 4-5 years. Other than that, its been the Big 12 and Big 10 that has taken that title traditionally.
Yep, it's pretty clear that Michigan had probably played those Ivy schools for around forty years in the begining. That would be one reason for the big rise in the SOS. I don't remember any decades where USC was ever mediocre in my lifetime. There was aperiod of time thru the 90's where other PAC teams rose up and were better than they were though. But, 9-3 and 8-4 records are not quite mediocre. Prior to that, I think in the 40's and 50's, Southern Cal was not the dominate team out west. In all other decades they have been though. The SEC has had good teams all the way through time. That conference went to far more bowl games than any other conferences. They did not have spectacular teams, other than Alabama, but they did have real good teams.
As far as the best conference all-time? It isn't even close. You can look at specific decades, too.
There is no doubt that the SEC today is most likely the strongest conference, but to claim it is the strongest conference of all time, thru every decade college football has been played is asinine.
Also, I didn't say that the SEC was the best conference for every single decade. I said that they were the best conference if you added up every single decade...
Of Course this will all change because the B-12 is going to whup up on each other and everybody gets a shot at UT including KU and perhaps Missu twice
SOS can only be determined after the season is over
Hookem-Horns
I say 'take it from the top'. Things seem to even themselves out over 120 years...
Troll count in this special edition Red River Shootout thread: Horns 3, Boomers 0.
:-)
And since I have your attention, oh great guru of the pigskin prognosticating, which game do you decree to be a lock this weekend ( other than RRS)??
Speaking of which, I think I heard Brent Musberger call it the 'Red River Series' this past weekend. Sorry, Brent. 'S' stands for Shoot-Out and Senile...
I have no idea, I'm going to pick my usual way, drop two teams names in a hat and draw one...........I don't look to be on top too long...lol
BTW thats the same way I pay my bills, and if they keep hastiling me I wont even put theirs in the hat.- just joking
Ive heard of some making picks based upon which uniform looks meaner or which color like orange over red
BTW a Tiger should beat a Hog
Actually, it they just cut it down to an aronym, it would be ok with me: WLOCP... I hate having to type that damn much...
We as UT fans get a lot of pleasure watching OU lose, we liked it when they got beat by Colo, TTech and WV and we always pull against them, the Bois St game was fun to watch and we clap and cheer when they lose to TCU, A&M or even KSU. Put it to ya this way, even though they are from the same conference and all it doesnt matter, we want to win and see them lose.
Texas has nothing to lose and everything to lose, If UT wins alright, thats a great victory over a hated rival, but its just one game and anything can happen. Look these guys were anointed conference champs before the season even started, well they havent earned anything yet and they have to play UT this week, not Baylor or TCU. UT will be the underdog which is purty cool and the boys are fired up and ready.
Hookem-Horns
I think JB and the rest of us here in the SEC know a little bit about heated rivalries. No need for the explanation..
I've noticed that most SEC fans pull for SEC teams in OCC games or Bowls
BTW I'd love to see a UT vs Bama or a UT vs LSU game
You can feel the hate during a Bama-UT game. Especially in recent years with the whole Fulmer situation. I've never been to the game in Knoxville, but I'm going this year.
BTW, I heard this past weekend Tennesee tickets were up on eBay for the N. Illinios game for $10.....and they weren't selling. Sad. haha.
Anyways, I'm looking forward to the RRS, especially since Alabama has the weekend off. It should be a good game. Good luck to your Longhorns!
Roll Tide!
I actually went out to Norman when Bama played OU a few years back. It was one of my favorite road game atmospheres. One of the nicest fanbases, too.
I actually had a mission while I was there. I asked several OU fans why the logo was "OU" if it was "The University of Oklahoma". No one could give me an answer. It seems to run in the Big 12, like with Colorado ("CU") and Kansas ("KU"). Maybe one of you Oklahoma fans can explain?? I'm just curious! :)
Good luck to your Sooners! ;)
;)
I'd like to see Texas vs Alabama or Texas vs LSU been a while.
Thanks given the History of the two programs it would be great to match-up in an Bowl. Too early in the season to really speculate about BCS bowls, but I believe # 2 or #3 B-12 plays # 2 or #3 SEC in the Cotton.
But no Bammer has ever gotten their nut sack rippped when they walked into a bar in Auburn...
Roll Tide! ;)
Go Gamecocks!
Young-something or other, I think it was....
...them poor 'horns...
GO GATORS!!
1. Oklahoma
2. Missouri
3. Texas
4. Texas Tech
5. Kansas
6. Oklahoma State
Thats a tough bunch of teams right now and besides LSU, Bama and maybe Florida, i dont see any other SEC teams matching up head to head with them.
GO GATORS!!
Oct 11 OU vs Texas
Missu vs OK State
Oct 18
Missu vs Texas
Oct 25
OK State vs Texas
Nov 1
Texas vs Texas Tech
Nov 8
Texas Tech vs OK State
Nov 22
Texas Tech vs OU
Nov 29
OU vs OK State
XII Champ game to be announced
Where do you guys come from? They play defense in the SEC! Have you not ever watched recent history? Wasn't Ohio State the great "offensive juggernaut" of the past two years? What happened to those offense's when they played Florida and LSU? What happened to those great Oklahoma "juggernaut's" that had to play LSU in 03' and Southern Cal in 04'? Defense is what happened to those great offensive teams. You really can't see any of those SEC teams matching up head-to-head with the Big 12 teams? What I can't see is how any team from the Big 12 could ever defend Florida. And, with the power football that LSU and Alabama play, I'm not so sure that they wouldn't just pound the rock down the throat of any Big 12 that they played. Keep in mind, that they really do have outstanding secondaries in the SEC, and coupled with tremendous pass rushing defensive linemen - you are not gonna throw the ball very well on SEC teams. Therefore, you must pound the rock in the same manner in which they do it. If you can't play that game - you will lose. Oh, I think that the SEC would do just fine against the passing attacks that are coming out of the Big 12.
In this weeks RRS game throw all the stats and rankings out the window
FYI
Rushing D
# 3 Texas 5 gm 259 yds 1.96 avg yds 0 TD 51.8 avgpg
#18 Oklahoma 5 gm 486 yds 2.78 avg yds 6 TD 97.2 avgpg
Scoring D
#4 Texas 5 57 pts 11.4ppg 6 TDs
#15 Oklahoma 5 69 pts 13.8ppg 9 TDs
Total Offense
#5 Oklahoma 6.77 ydspp 35 TD's 540 ydpg avg
#12 Texas 6.59 ydspp 32 TD's 471 ydpg avg
Passing Offense
#4 Oklahoma 168 att 122 comp 4 int 72.62 19 TD's
#18 Texas 141 att 112 comp 3 int 79.43 17 TD's
Rushing
#27 Texas 4.56 yds pp 198 pg avg
#40 Oklahoma 3.87 yds pp 179 pg avg
Both Teams look real strong in every catagory
Hookem-Horns
I really like the "yards per play" stats. That's where the rubber hits the road. Most people don't ever consider that stat. I noticed that you did not give me the "passing stats for defense". I'm not too concerned with Oklahoma running the ball on Texas. But, I am a little concerned that the freshmen safeties may have trouble with the Oklahoma receivers. I have no doubt that Texas will probably score on Oklahoma. But, the Sooners have been going to the air way more often this year. The trouble that your boyz are gonna have is stopping that passing attack. If you can slow down the passing, or grab a couple of picks, you'll win the game. If Texas turns the ball over - then they will not. So Texas will have to hold onto the ball, minimize mistakes (less penalties), and slow Oklahoma's passing offense down. If they do those three things they can win this game.
OU has the best O-Line in the nation and they havent faced Texas yet.
OU's real strength is the hurry up-no huddle, so the defense has trouble making substitutions and adjustments, they fire the ball quickly and strike fast. They usually get ahead of infereior opponents early and the other team changes their gameplan trying to catch-up-EX TCU.
They must have learned that hurry up- no huddle from playing Texas every year. This game will be a real hard fought tough game for both teams. Both programs are looking foward to this RRS game.
Hookem-Horns
I understand that defense wins games and championships, but LSU and Bama have given up 300-400 yards against teams that have an offense. And i'm not sold on the SEC defense this year, I think they are slightly above-average. Sure speed makes up for it some, but a Chase Daniels or Mark Sanchez is still going to throw for 300 yards against any SEC defense and put up 30 points.
2. I didnt say any of those SEC teams can match up with the Big 12 teams, I simply implied that the top 6 teams from the Big 12 are better than the top 6 from the SEC this year.
Okay, your right. Re-read the post and you did mention LSU, Florida and Alabama. But, Georgia, Auburn, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Tennessee, South Carolina and even Mississippi - are all pretty decent teams. I'm not too sure that Kansas and Oklahoma State are any better than any of these teams. The Top Four in the Big 12 are some really good teams. But, the SEC also has four very good teams. Just because Georgia lost to Alabama - does not mean they are not gonna end up pretty solid. To me, on paper, the conferences seem about equal. But, I'm telling you, the SEC teams are far more loaded up on defense. And, that wins big games. That is why the SEC has had the best Bowl percentage over the last several years.
Florida currently stands at 11.4 ppg allowed (4th in the country) and 265.0 ypg (19th) allowed in total defense. There are only four teams that exceed both of those totals. They are: Kentucky, Auburn, Georgia Tech and Boston College. So, the reality is that, Florida probably has the 5th overall defense in the country at the current moment. Are you really gonna claim that they don't have any defense? Do you really think that Missouri would put up 70 on this defense? It's gonna be real hard to do when Missouri is never gonna have the ball.
Well, if they've given up 30 to Mississippi (not mediocre BTW - much better than Michigan) - then that must mean that they have only given up 27 points to four other opponents. That would mean that they only give up 6.5 ppg normally. I'm not trying to make the point that Florida has an awsome defense. But, you have claimed that they are downright lousy, and that isn't even possible.
MARKO: Well, no conferences have been around that long, so it's a moot argument. Current conference records are comprised of the all-time totals of the current members. In the case of the SEC, most of it's current members have been playing together since 1895, when the SIAA debuted, which gave way to the southern then Southeastern conferences. The Big 10(11) have been together under the same name for the longest, ever since they changed the name of the old Western Conference, but it's the same thing.
Also, I didn't say that the SEC was the best conference for every single decade. I said that they were the best conference if you added up every single decade...
Has this thread gotton off topic ?
BTW ESPN classic has been showing some old RRS games, one this afternoon was 1994 and it was only 14 years ago, my how the game has changed 17-10 final score. I really find it hard to beleive they showed a Texas victory, its early in the week, we will probably see Simms throw the interception again to Roy Williams- probably have seen that highlight a thousand times- they ought to show the Bomar fumble returned for a TD by Rod Wright-now that was a good one.
UT was running the ball with Walker and Preist Holmes they had a boy on the sidelines watching, wouldnt let him play- named Ricky Williams, oh BTW the OC for OU was Watson Brown-Mack's brother
Must I really defend my statement that Texas has been down for soooo long? Granted, there was hyperbole in the air but throwing around some stats might show you what I mean - for instance, during the 20 yrs that Darrell Royal coached, Texas finished (underline that) in the top 20 no less than 15 times. Of those 15 years, they FINISHED in the top 5 in the nation 9 times. Compared to these years, you can see the Mack Brown era is no where near as dominant. Hence, my comment, with mild exaggeration, of them being down. Hey, I hope they do win. . . it moves Alabama up in the rankings and solidifies the SEC at the top of the heap..
Go Gamecocks!
Ya they've been down, but not in recent years- won 5 outa last 6 bowls including wins over LSU, USC, Mich, AZ st, Iowa. Its always fun to see them beat Nebraska, Ohio st and Oklahoma
BTW Texas has over 800 wins
Thanks. I really didn't even want to try and respond to this guy. Seems he wanted to claim that Texas was "down" because they were not "up to" Darrell Royal's standards during the 1960's. Yep, that looks like 76-14 over the last seven years. Is that correct? That's about 11-2 per year. Yep, that is really being down. Man O man - where do these people crawl out of? Is there some kind of secret government experiment going on that I'm not aware of? Can you get ahold of the President and find out what's at the bottom of all this?
Now a days a team has to be strong in every aspect of the game and this includes the passing game and special teams.
Another thing that has really changed is the integration. In the town where I live integration didn't start until 1966. The Horns 1969 team was all vannilla and even though those were great teams in their time they couldn't hang with the teams that Texas fields today. Spread offense, great passing game, special teams, running game and tough D plus the best players and coaching staff.
The guys like Royall set the standard for others to follow and they serve as a great inspiration for the players today and Texas fans and Alum are proud of all the history and tradition. There has probably never been a better time for the Horns than right now. Throw all the records, stats and history out the friggin window- its OU week baby RRS game
Hookem-Horns
your wrong just like your social life
OU Sux just like you-
One of my Bud's, that's a longtime Bama fan, insists that Darrell Royal was great pals with Bear Bryant and taught him the offense. Your now the 2nd person who has verified that information. So, I guess that maybe Darrell Royal is "the Father of the Wishbone formation". Good luck on the game. It should be a great one.
Bellard coached high school ball, then was assistant at UT, then he was later HC at Texas A&M and Miss st. He went back into Texas high school ball prior to retirement.
I do remember when Ballard was the Head Coach at Mississippi State. They were not much of a National power. So, I can't recall ever even seeing them play. But then, I must assume, that MSU was running the Wishbone offense also? Do you know if that is correct? That is interesting to know.
Personally, I really used to like that offense. I thought that it was the most exciting offense to watch. My 1st recollections were of Texas running it. I remember that they had Steve Wooster at FB, a guy named Gilbert at one RB, and I think that Jim Bertelson might have been another RB. Or, did he play fullback after Wooster left? Can't recall who the QB was. And, I thought that they had a great WR also. Then, Oklahoma and Alabama started using it, and Oklahoma was something to behold. Man, did they crank out the RB's.
I dont remember who won, but the Sooners came back from behind and tied it up and it went into O.T. Tommie when did they start OT in CFB, I cant remember but it was before 96, time flys. BTW it was purty cool to watch and my how things have changed, doesnt seem like 12 yrs ago. Casey Hampton was and outstanding player on that team and they had another boy named Westbrook.
Adios Tomcat
The last year of tie games was in 1995 and Southern Cal actually did tie Washington 21-21. So, the first year of OT did occur in 1996. Thanx for settin' me straight on James Street and Cotton Spier. I remember those guys now. Real good teams that won the MNC.
I see your point. Perhaps it is perception from the eastcoast (or lack thereof) that Texas is not the powerhouse it used to be. SOS always plays a large part, of course, which is why we SEC folks are so adamant on our conference deserving the accolades it receives. But, of course, that statement opens a can of worms, too, as I've witnessed here from time to time. Thanks for taking the time to inform.
TTrojan:
We crawl out of the same place you do. . . bed. Unfortunately, ours is not a bed of roses like yours (or is it a high horse?). You read between the lines. By the way, I'm sending a couple of agents to your house later today for questioning. I hear you want action from the top. . . .
Enjoyed visiting with ya hope I wasn't too long winded Thanks
Go Cocks
Hookem-Horns
Adios Tomcat
As you know, down in Texas, there is only "Steers and ......."
It's both. Make sure them agents don't knock. Only my friends would knock. If they got questions - I got answers.
Now, for Zac's take.
The Red River Shootout is like any of the top college football rivalries. Throw out the stats. In this game anything goes; stats mean nothing. So, here goes nothing anyway.
Tomcat's provided some impressive stats on behalf of TX & OK. Here's the sad truth to those stats.
TX earned theirs against the likes of FL Int., UTEP, AR, RICE, & CO, who are a combined 11-15. Only one game rings out, and that was in Boulder, where TX absolutely man-handled the Buffs, 38-14. Of the 5 teams TX has played, CO is the only one which currently has a winning record, and is also the only team which scored 2 TD's on TX's 3rd/4th ranked defense.
OK's stats are equally impressive…& unimpressive. They've piled up their pt's and yardage against the likes of TN Chattanooga, Cinci, WA, TCU, & Baylor, who are a combined 12-14. But hold the phone. Cinci is 4-1 & TCU is 5-1, but OK beat each by 26 & 25 pts respectively. Then their's, Baylor, who scored 28 pts at UConn, 45 on WA St, but only 17 at home to OK.
Now, here's a stat Tomcat didn't mention. TX has committed 6 T.O.'s in 5 games, and currently hold a +1 advantage over their opponents. OK has only committed 4 T.O.'s in 5 games and hold a +5 advantage over their opponents.
Bottom line: OK will score at least 10 against TX, but they won't score the nearly 50 pts they've been averaging per game. TX will hold OK well below their scoring average, but they won't hold OK to the less than 12 pts they've been allowing per game. If both teams adopt a "make the opposing QB beat them" strategy, OK wins.
I expect a close one; closer than last year. OK 27, TX 25.
Hookem-Horns
Texas-24
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