DISQUS

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

This is a speculation piece, it is not an indicator of any actual PAC 10 source.

Zac · 1 year ago

Ben, there's no way to say this without sounding like I'm ki$$ing your a$$, but I liked your series of articles on PAC-10 expansion. Thanks!!!

Angry_tuba_chick · 1 year ago

Uh... typical UC attitude. The UCs ARE state schools, they are not private. And what about Oregon STATE and Washington STATE?

Angry_tuba_chick · 1 year ago

Two divisions: California, and The Great Unwashed....

Zac · 1 year ago

As I've already said, what ever the PAC-10 does or does not do in this regard will be done or not done as it best suits the PAC-10's financial coffers.

DUCKe · 1 year ago

The PAC10 conference has no interest in expansion, inclusion, nor aiding and abetting the SEC/Big 12/ACC. WAC/Mt. West (and more recently) SEC/Big12/ACC conference members start most of these threads. The Pac 8 has long since admitted the only two viable candidates. The BCS was little more than an SEC/Big 12/ACC attempt to rival the PAC 10/Big10's Rose Bowl arrangement. The BCS arrangement remains predicated upon the whims of the PAC10/Big 10 administrators. WAC/Mt. West/SEC/ Big 12/ACC concerns are probably not at the top of their list of priorities.

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

The PAC 10 is in no hurry to expand.

The BIG 10 is seriously considering adding a 12th team and a championship game. This change, or another significant performace by another Utah school, could change the college football landscape considerably, especially if they keep beating PAC 10 schools.

The Rose Bowl cartel should consider the frustration expressed by the SEC. The SEC, Big 12 and ACC, combined, are a considerable force in college football. The BCS arrangement is predicated on the whims of these conferences, and the three BCS bowls they represent, as well. This is why a plus one format is inevitable.

I admit an expansion is not a near prospect. My intent was to clairify who the ligitimate teams to consider are.

Go MWC!

Dave · 1 year ago

Hawaii will never happen. The travel is brutal can you imagine a Ath Director having to send the Women's Crew Team to Hawaii? Cost/travel time will not allow it.

BYU ain't gonna happen. USC does not want to share a conf with Mormons. They wouldn't come out and say so but that is the deal.

I don't know why if the Pac-10 became 12 the Southern Schools would agree to a playoff. Essentially winning the Northern Div. would be a cake walk compared to the Southern division. I mean it would have been great for Oregon State the last 2 years, but would Cal be willing to either be in the Southern Division with USC or miss out on that California exposure by playing up North all Fall??

rwham17251 · 1 year ago

From what I understand as being in the way of expansion is:

1) Adding two more teams would result in two divisions, and the four northwest schools, plus possibly Stanford and/or Cal would be placed in the northern division. The apprehension by these schools of this is being cut off from annual trips to the fertile recruiting grounds of Southern California.

2) The two California schools are UC schools and they would not want a Cal State school to be added to the Pac-10 as they, by their classification as state schools, are not in the same academic class.

3) The television market. To be added, the school would essentially have to bring 1/10 of the current Pac-10 viewers with them, so that their addition enhances the average number of viewers per school. From what I understand, this pretty much eliminates all the schools except BYU, Colorado, and Texas.

4) The insistence upon only having research institutions in the conference. From what I understand, BYU is not a research institution.

5) I've read that the only two private schools in the conference are leary of adding another private schools with significant religious ties.

6) The schools like that there is a true round robin.

I think it's fun to think about expansion, but I would be surprised if it ever happened.

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

1) This is why I created the scheduling to avoid the division structure. The northern schools will not agree to an expansion that robs them of the opportunity to play in southern California. In a division structure they would play at USC or UCLA 2/3 of the time. With the schedule I described they would be guaranteed to play 1/2 the time, with the expectation to play an additional 1/4 of the time, depending on performance. 3/4 of the time is still less than all the time.

4) BYU is a research institution, but is cassified as high, not very high.

5) They are more leary of BYU's insistance against participating in sports on Sunday.

2, 3, 6) Yes

If BYU lives up to their hype this year, things could change quickly.

Defender90 · 1 year ago

Did I miss the pre-pre-post explaining why the Pac -10 NEEDS to expand? Other than the mention of the money that could be made with a conference championship game, what is the reasoning? Pac-10 football teams play every other team in the conference over the course of the regular season, so I don't get the "sword of Damocles" at work here. No, just because other conferences wanted the cash cow in a ccg, the Pac-10 doesn't automatically have to follow suit.

Zac · 1 year ago

I don't think anyone is saying they have to. There has been speculation of it in the past, and Ben has taken that a little further is all. Ultimately, the PAC-10 will do that which suits the PAC-10 best. If that means expansion, it's fun to consider how that may occur.

spartanthunder · 1 year ago

San Jose State would be a good fit simply because of their large TV media coverage, and large student enrollment (35,000).

More discussions here... http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?S=199#s=199&f=1122...

Clemson_Joe · 1 year ago

This comment went in the wrong place. Please disregard.

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

Ok, will do

Bobak · 1 year ago

"Historic connections" for Idaho? In that case you forgot Montana. Both will never happen.

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

Idaho is at least on the right side of the Rockies. Idaho also was included as a rival for Boise State. Idaho is also in the bowl subdivision. Idaho plays 2 PAC 10 teams every year. This is four reasons Idaho was included over Montana.

fan4fan · 1 year ago

Sir Fart... You need to quote me correctly. I said that Utah and BYU are more likely candidates than Texas to join the PAC 10 (I did not say that Utah and BYU were clearly ahead of other schools academically). After that I said that the Texas fan that argued that Utah was not strong enough to get into the PAC 10 because of weak academics was simple ignorant of how good of a school Utah is.

Congrats on the rankings, but they are really nothing to do with my post.

DogFan · 1 year ago

While I'm not argueing that Fresno St is a great academic institution, they are improving drastically within the last 7-8 years. I believe Fresno St.'s pres got the hint that he needed to improve things badly and started a major upgrade to the academics. They are almost finished with a new library which will be the largest on the west coast (from what I read), finally got state approval to offer doctoral programs (although they are still limited to a few and the UC's keep trying to block the CSUs from offering doctoral programs on their own), building upgrades and they boast one of the premier ag programs in the country.
On the athletic side they have been improving in many areas and they are not accepting prop 48 students or partial qualifiers as of 2003, and doing fairly well with their APR scores as well. The only sport that is still lagging is basketball and that may take another 5 years to correct because that program was really screwed by Tark and Lopes. Now of course it is easier to get into Fresno St but like I said they are improving drastically. It is a much different campus then it was 10 years ago.
Sorry for the rant, I don't mean to say that Fresno deserves to be in the PAC because academically they don't, but I believe they are becoming a more respectable school. Personally if the PAC did expand I would have to say the Utah/Hawaii makes a lot of sense if the PAC doesn't mind the travel to the islands.

Clemson_Joe · 1 year ago

Not ranking in the Top 130 makes a school "a great academic institution"?

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

No one is going to argue against Fresno State athletics.

Academically they might be on par with some of the academically challenged SEC teams (NOT ALL SEC TEAMS, IM JUST SAYING THERE ARE A FEW UNNAMED SCHOOLS THAT NEED SOME IMPROVING ACADEMICALLY). They are no PAC 10, BIG 12, BIG EAST, ACC or BIG 10 team.

Fresno State has the profile of a non BCS team that can give anyone a run for the money on any given saturday. Athletically they have more to offer than Hawaii.

These comments need spell check.

Clemson_Joe · 1 year ago

I will make the "unnamed" become the "named". LSU, Ole Miss, and Miss. State.

SirFartsALot · 1 year ago

"Utah and BYU are clearly ahead of any other schools including Texas...Therefore, anyone arguing that academics is the reason not include BYU or Utah is simply ignorant. "

Last I checked, Texas was a for more impressive academic school than either of these, unless ALL of the college ranking guides are just ignorant.

Footballfan · 1 year ago

PAC – 10 Criteria
Academics
Utah and BYU are clearly ahead of any other schools including Texas to join the PAC 10 (BEVO). Actually academics for both BYU and Utah support them being joined to the PAC 10. These schools have some of the best departments in the country. Utah's Medical and research are very highly rated. BYU's Business and other programs are also very highly rated. Therefore, anyone arguing that academics is the reason not include BYU or Utah is simply ignorant.

Marketsize
This is one of the best arguments against a BYU/Utah addition to the PAC 10. Utah is a pretty good market, but it is not a L.A. or S.F. At the same time, Utah’s market is much better than say Fresno, Hawaii or anyone else in the West. Adding BYU is another strength in terms of marketsize. BYU has a very strong following nationally and has a stronger market than many of the other PAC 10 schools.

Rivalry
The only other pairing in the West that even comes close to the rivalry of Utah/BYU is maybe UNLV/Nevada. Texas is not going to be able to bring OU or A&M to the PAC 10. Texas you have to bring a rival.

Scheduling
Utah and BYU’s record against PAC 10 teams in the last 5 to 10 years is very positive. Utah is playing at least one PAC 10 team each year and BYU has a similar schedule. They are also both beating these teams on a regular basis. The one concern that the PAC 10 would have would be BYU’s non-Sunday policy. This might be avoided by finishing tournaments on Saturday instead of Sunday. Simple.

In the end, no other schools even closely match what the BYU/Utah combo brings. You will see as these articles unfold.

4cornerz · 1 year ago

Since the Pac 10 commish is stepping down the PAC 10 will expand

Zac · 1 year ago

Since the Pac 10 commish is stepping down, it also means those in the PAC 10 interested in a College Football play-off won't be blown off so easily.

Kevin @ Fanblogs · 1 year ago

Not so fast my friend. The commish gets marching orders from the member presidents, so... you're going to need a **lot** more retirements before the Pac10 bellies up to the playoff buffet.

Kevin @ Fanblogs · 1 year ago

I guess that's possible, but I still think the Pac10 presidents won't entertain the notion unless it is heavily tilted to the positive for them to do it. For example, if they could get Texas - then expansion would be on the table. They're not going to expand, IMHO, just to get Hawaii and spare state.

Zac · 1 year ago

I'm curious, Kev. Are there any schools, which once had a status similar to that of Fresno St or Hawaii, that improved their status (academic & research) as a direct or even indirect result of having joined a conference? Potential is always something to consider, IF the potential is there, AND there are those who possess the wisdom to see it.

Kevin @ Fanblogs · 1 year ago

I cannot think of a specific example of a school having improved academically as a direct/indirect result of athletic conference affiliation.

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

Ok, The status of Fresno St and Hawaii academically,

Those are two completely different levels of academic standing.

Hawaii is a respectable research university. Fresno State is a glorified community college.

Football Picks · 1 year ago

That's what conferences need, more bad teams at the bottom for the upper echelon teams to beat up on. Conferences are getting too big as it is which then forces divisions and imbalanced scheduling which is another joke all together. But it will certainly happen. Why? Dollars - it drives everything in sports, this will be no exception.

SirFartsALot · 1 year ago

Hawaii and Fresno St make the most sense geographically. More importantly though, they are both teams that people like to think are better than they truly are. For Pac 10 teams this means a quality win in the books year after year. Utah and BYU, however, are frequently underrated and can do a lot of damage to a good team's record. Either way, I don't care, because I like Mich. Go Blue.

SirFartsALot · 1 year ago

Hawaii and Fresno St

College Pigskin Fan · 1 year ago

I can tell you exactly who the PAC-10 will get for expansion.

No one.

Texas won't leave the Big 12, since all they have to do, (for the most part) is beat Oklahoma each year and they're sitting pretty for a high ranking BCS game.

Colorado won't leave since the traveling cost would jump, furthermore, their games would only reach west of the Rockies. A few years back, I read an article (can't remember where) that Colorado enjoys being part of a Conference in the Central Time Zone.

For the PAC-10, their biggest road block to expansion is Stanford. A posting "anonymous" stated it correctly. Stanford voted against Texas from joining. For whatever reason, Stanford holds a lot of veto power when it comes to expansion.

As far as Boise St., Fresno St., Hawaii, or any other WAC school, don't make me laugh. Stop looking at the map and start thinking about academics. As for now, and the future, the PAC-10 will remain the PAC-10.

bevo · 1 year ago

"Stop looking at the map and start thinking about academics."

As I wrote earlier, if the conference presidents take an active role in expansion, then you are 100% correct.

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

Stanford holds as much veto power as anyother PAC 10 team. Absolute veto power.

The PAC 10 cannot expand without the agreement of all its members. Stanford is simply the institution most leary of expansion.

Lennie Collins · 1 year ago

Zac...the Texas Longhorns were not a founding member of the Big 12. The the Big 12 was originally called the Big 8. Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, & Baylor JOINED............then the name OFFICIALLY changed to the BIG 12!

Zac · 1 year ago

Lennie, I gues it's how you look at it, but from an historical purist's standpoint, I agree with you and stand corrected.

Lennie Collins · 1 year ago

Hey Zac...Oklahoma is not even an founding member of the Big 8...they were originally in the Missouri Valley Conference.

GA_Boy · 1 year ago

If the PAC wanted some real competition they would add Utah and Air Force. That would give them two distictively different styles of offense to prepare for. But instead they will probably add Hawaii and Fresno St that like to air it out and have week defenses. Sound familiar? Get ready for more of the same but call it the PAC 12.
As far as TX leaving the Big 12, why would they except that their chances of going undefeated would improve. In the PAC, figure out how to beat USC each year (easier said than done by the way) and they would own the PAC. In the Big 11, beat Ohio St and Meechigan and it's a 1 way ticket to the MNC. I really don't know much reason to leave the Big 12. Seems like a stupid idea to me that TX would even consider leaving the conference.

GO DAWGS!!

Zac · 1 year ago

I just don't see TX going. Even if they get an outstanding offer from the PAC-10, I say they stay. As previously stated, they are a founding member of the once existing SW Conference, AND a founding member of the existing Big 12. They live to play teams like A&M, TCU, Tx Tech, Nebraska (when it can happen), oh yeah, and that little known seldom discussed school from the state next door, OK. They want like crazy to renew their rivalry with AR. The only way they go is if the other school selected by the PAC-10 is OK. Just my opinion, the rivalry between OK & TX is bigger than the PAC-10.

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

Man, are you reading ahead?

OU_Ron · 1 year ago

Zac, you got that right

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 1 year ago

BYU and Utah will be allowed to join once they denounce polygamy for good. No, wait. Sorry. That's what they had to do to gain statehood... My bad...

Since when did the Pac 10 announce that they're expanding? Link? Sorry if I missed it. My weekend to stay in the cave...

The best draft choices, IMHO? BYU and Boise State. It's about time they added some non-coastal states. I've been to the beaches in Arizona and they SUCK!!!

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

LOL, as I intended to indicate above, and say below, this is speculation on the merits of PAC 10 expansion, should they decide to make a move.

It must be clearly stated that no such move is on the visible horizon.

bevo · 1 year ago

A few years ago, I read about such scenarios on a Pac 10 listserv. The gist of the argument went like this:

The six California schools are most concerned with academics. Oregon State, Wazzu, and the two Arizona schools have different priorities. If the presidents are controlling the expansion process, then expect academic profile to be the paramount issue.

At the time of this discussion, which is about 7 years ago, five schools fit the academic profile required by the Pac 10: Utah, BYU, Texas, Colorado, and Air Force Academy.

The remaining Mountain West schools and Western Athletic Conference do not even come close to the academic profile of the Pac 10 schools. These MWC and WAC schools admit students with far lower SAT scores and class rankings. Despite public funding, these schools operate on budgets far smaller than the Pac 10 schools. Finally, save for UNLV and Hawaii, the remaining schools are not classified as research universities. The Pac 10 is comprised entirely of research universities and the presidents want to keep it that way.

Please read that last sentence because if the presidents make the decisions on expansion then that sentence is all you need to know.

Many Pac 10 schools have an allergy to BYU and its commitment to LDS principles. Skip BYU.

Utah lacks the academic resources relative to the Pac 10. Skip Utah

Some schools may support Air Force Academy and others may oppose it. Tough call.

Adding Colorado and AFA provides a natural travel partner. Both CU and AFA have successful football programs and not much else. They fit the academic profile required by the Pac 10.

That leaves Texas.

If you name the top 5 public universities, then your list must include UCLA, Cal, Michigan, North Carolina, and Texas. You can play with the order but those are the top 5 public schools in this country. They boast the finest research facilities and professors, receive large amounts of federal research grants, and take in very little in state funds. That is, state appropriations account for less than 25% of their respective operating budgets. Most public universities lean much more on state legislatures.

In addition, Texas' athletics budget is more than $70 million.

Thus, Texas represents the holy grail for athletics expansion. If Texas leaves the Big 12 and this is a mighty big if, then it will be for the Big 11 or Pac 10. The remaining conferences lack the academic profile of those two conferences.

Now, if the athletics director are driving the expansion bus, then look for entirely different set of criteria and a different set of schools that they consider.

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

Although I will address the academic merits latter, you are underestimating Hawaii and Utah's Academics.

Clemson_Joe · 1 year ago

"The six California schools are most concerned with academics. Oregon State, Wazzu, and the two Arizona schools have different priorities. If the presidents are controlling the expansion process, then expect academic profile to be the paramount issue."

Those 6 California schools have a lot of pull in the Pac10. You know, UCLA, USC, Stanford, Cal, Oregon, and Washington. Wait, what?

Change we can (actually) believe in(, based on actual results).
Utah/BYU 2010

bevo · 1 year ago

"Those 6 California schools have a lot of pull in the Pac10. You know, UCLA, USC, Stanford, Cal, Oregon, and Washington. Wait, what?"

I meant Michigan, the Ohio State, Iowa, Boston College, North Carolina State, and Kentucky. :)

Bevo_Boy · 1 year ago

Bevo, how would you feel about being known as #2? Most people have just called me Bevo for quite a while; I just keep Boy on the end of it because that's been my name ever since I started posting on here. I used to have some call me BB, but then we got Bama Babe (I assume she'll be coming back, or did she leave for the great college football blog in the sky?). I suppose we could try TE's name for me, the Beav, again, but I always felt like there was some joke there that I just wasn't thinking of.

TampaGator, would this classify as "incoherent, classless psychobabble"?

Porcine · 1 year ago

If your a tomboy, beav might work.

Bevo_Boy · 1 year ago

I hate TE's vocabulary. It always makes me feel like a retard. I'm better at the ACT, not the SAT.

Anonymous 4 · 1 year ago

Bevo, what you said is correct. While Texas in the Pac-10 makes the most academic and research sense the time zone difference and travel time and costs for all sports, not just football, would be a large investment for all of the Pac-10 schools and Texas.
When the SWC broke up Texas looked to the Pac-10 first, but Stanford voted against having them in the conference.

Kevin @ Fanblogs · 1 year ago

I am not aware that the issue of Texas joining the Pac10 ever got as far as a formal vote to extend an offer. It may have happened, but I have never seen that published (ie Stanford veto'd Texas).

Anonymous 4 · 1 year ago

You are right. Stanford just objected to having Texas in the Pac-10. I made the assumption that they had voted. None of the information I have seen points to an actual vote taking place. Sorry for the misinformation.

Anonymous 4 · 1 year ago

You are correct. The only information that I have seen is that Stanford objected. I made the assumption that a vote did take place. I am sorry for the misinformation.

Zac · 1 year ago

So, the PAC-10 is considering Boise St. I can only imagine Coondawg's reaction to that one. Kev, howzabout letting ole Coondawg on just long enough to get his reaction to that one? On 2nd thought, skip it. We would never hear the end of it.

Pick what teams you may; you only get 2. I see this as good news, as in a precursor to the PAC-10 having finally accepted, and is therefore preparing for, a play-off. OH Yeah!!!!!!

Anonymous 4 · 1 year ago

Academics and graduate research are the biggest concerns for the Pac-10. There are just not many universities in the western US that are able to bring those things to the conference. It would also require a unanimous vote to admit any new conference members. The schools that make geographical sense are not a good fit academically and the schools that make sense academically do not make geographic sense.

Lennie Collins · 1 year ago

I thought the WAC 10 had no intentions of expanding?

TigerEducated · 1 year ago

With those Oregon uni colors, can we nickname him, "Mayor McCheese"?

Just kidding...Welcome back...and one word of advice...Don't feed the MGOBLUE...

Zac · 1 year ago

MGOBlue??? Whar iz that boy?????

4cornerz · 1 year ago

Texas and BYU or Texas A&M and Texas will go to the PAC 10

Zac · 1 year ago

I'm neither an Aggies nor Longhorns fan, and I don't need Tomcat's or 40Acres input to know you're out to lunch. Interesting guess all the same, but a founding member of the ole SW Conference give up its Red-River rivalry to play those golden California boyz all season, fat friggen chance.

40AcresOfBurntOrange · 1 year ago

Your outta your mind. If Texas goes anywhere it won't be the PAC-10 the expense of travelling to those west coast schools would be a killer.

HookEmHorns!

OU_Ron · 1 year ago

I don't care where Texas goes, as long as OU and Texas plays each year, it just wouldn't be football any other way........

40AcresOfBurntOrange · 1 year ago

Amen......just wish Texas and Arkansas still played every year then our season would be complete.

HookEmHorns!

4cornerz · 1 year ago

TX will play OU every year

TheMayor · 1 year ago

If we have to become the Pac-12 then I hope it's Hawaii and Fresno State.

Zac · 1 year ago

Hey, welcome back, Mayor!!! By the way, I agree with your picks as making the most sense geographically. It'll certainly reduce Hawaii's travel costs considerably, given they won't have to go past the west coast. And, Fresno has given a number of PAC-10 teams (and a few Big Ten(11) teams as well) fits over the past 10 years.

TheMayor · 1 year ago

My sentiments exactly, not to mention a trip to Hawaii every few years would be good for the fans mojo.

Kevin @ Fanblogs · 1 year ago

WOO HOO!!!!!!!!! The mf'ng Mayor is back!!! LONG time Fanblogs guy! w00t!

TheMayor · 1 year ago

Been swamped at work and had technical difficulties with the site. 90 more days...thanks Kevin.

Porcine · 1 year ago

i thought you got tired of the SEC homers.

TheMayor · 1 year ago

That goes without saying

TigerEducated · 1 year ago

How's that AD run by a Phil Knight yes man (The ONLY one in D-1 that is an AD without an actual college degree)....Err....LOYAL SUPPORTER OF THE PROGRAM?

TheMayor, in all honesty, I'm not sure I remember you, as I've had a few notable absences, myself...But, I'm a HUGE LSU Homer, and a somewhat smaller SEC Homer...

Beware...Don't feed the TE, either...LOL!

Welcome aboard, and cheers!

OU_Ron · 1 year ago

TE, I think you should have a warning attached to your picture and moniker, something like the warning on a pack of cigarettes…
“TE’s Warning”
Responding to me in a negative way may cause undue pain
Headaches, finger pain, high blood pressure, and may complicate pregnancy..

TigerEducated · 1 year ago

Responding to me could complicate pregnancy?

I will admit to a caustic side...and I do like to mix it up a bit...

Mayor McCheese I'm sure is a very good sport, and he'll realize quickly that I don't really give it out to those who can't take it...I've been trying to be a "kinder, gentler" TE lately...I hope that's come through in my responses...

Clemson_Joe · 1 year ago

The Pac10 has all pairs at this point. Why would they mess that up?
Cal - Stanford
UCLA - USC
Wash - Wash State
Oregon - Oregon State
Arizona - Arizona State

Utah/BYU 2010

Zac · 1 year ago

Way to go, C_J; you called it on the Big East thread. And the answer to my question has been answered. The PAC 10 is making the 1st move. Here's what's sad. What about Air Force? Not only do they boast the academics, but have managed a fairly consistent football tradition, despite being a service academy. Not to mention, they definitely represent a better market than BYU & Utah combined. Still, people love rivalries, and the PAC 10 only needs 2 more. Big 12 best get ready; make a move while ya can.

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

My comment belowwas intended for here, don't know how I scrwed it up.

ksuwild · 1 year ago

I meant to say Hawaii and Fresno St. would make as much sense as Utah and --BYU-- to me.......but to be honest......any of them would work. I would rather see Tom Hansen or Jim Delany gone than any conference realignment at this point.

ksuwild · 1 year ago

Hawaii and Fresno St. would make as much sense as Utah and Boise St. to me. I would be ok with any of the four as long as Tom Hansen is required to resign in the process. Maybe the Big 10(11) will follow suit, add a twelfth team and get rid of Jim Delany so college football can progress. It's kind of amazing that so few (with such outdated views) can have such power.

TigerEducated · 1 year ago

My eyes feel like they just ran through a Krispy Kreme Glazer...

I did read through that whole thing, though (patting myself on the back)...

Porcine · 1 year ago

The real question is will Stanford cooperate?

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

They cooperated with Utah to deliver the first e-mail.

They helped Utah become the forth node on Darpa-Net, that bacame the backbone of the internet.

Why not help them into the BCS age?

Porcine · 1 year ago

I was referring to their blocking of Texas.

Porcine · 1 year ago

They could add BYU-Hawaii and kill two birds with one stone. (no not really)