DISQUS

JB · 1 year ago

wow... now USC can actually have a challenge to win the PAC-10 (other than Stanford)

2_Coast_Bias · 1 year ago

Hey Tiger, i know this hasnt been discussed in a while but the Pac 10 does not have a post-season baseball tourney. just thought i might put that out there. In terms of an expanded Pac 10 i feel the best way to solve the issue would be to implement the same division structure as the Big 12. Have the arizona, utah, and southern cal schools in the south division and the bay area, oregon, and washington schools in the north division and play half the teams in the other division. Now i cant wait to see OSU v USC and UGA v ASU

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

Stanford, California, Oregon St, Oregon, Washington and WSU would reject any expansion that put them in a different division than USC, UCLA, especially in football.

The idea of USC fan is significantly more realistic, except for non-football.

Maybe they can use an ACC style structure for football and a BIG 12 structure for its other sports.

USC fan · 1 year ago

I haven't read all your articles - I've seen two of them. When you talk about divisions, why the assumption that USC and UCLA will be in the same division? Why not:

1. Washington, Oregon, Cal, UCLA, Arizona, Utah
2. Wash St, Oreg St, Stanford, USC, Ariz St, BYU

Or something of the like. That way, each team would be going to Southern Cal once a year or once every other year.

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

If the division structure is the same for all sports this would break up the PAC 10's paired traveling arrangements that greatly reduce the costs of travel in western states differences.

Oregon State and Oregon travel to Arizona together and both play ASU and Arizona on Thrusday and Saturday during basketball season. This is the true dollars and cents value of the rivalry pair structure to the PAC 10.

I had thought of this ACC like structure, if it is only applied to football. Each team would go to Southern california three times every four years with this plan for an eight game conference schedule. A nine game schedule could bump this up to five games every six years, with some years featuring two games in southern california.

With the scheduling outlined above the California schools would all play every year. Non California schools would play in southern California twice every four years guaranteed. A nine game schedule could guarantee all teams three games every four years, the idea of pairing teams by strength would create parity and excitement for the league.

USC gets the eaziest PAC 10 schedule because they don't play USC. If they didn't play the difficulty of their scheudle would be similar to a bottom team not playing the top, to account for the fact that WSU does not play WSU.

TheMayor · 1 year ago

Sorry Ben,

Talk about hijacking a thread,,,sorry I can't resist. This from the SF Chronicle about the tree sitters at Cal (my highlights):

UC removes tree-sitters' gear before ruling

"...Other protesters said they knew the woman taken out of a tree at 4:30 p.m. only as "Millipede." Doug Buckwald, director of a group called Save the Oaks, said she was an experienced tree-sitter but did not know how long she had been in the branches.

The two arborists were in a cherry-picker that banged into the trunk of the tree where the woman was perched, Buckwald said. "She screamed, and they grabbed her," he said.

As many as a dozen tree-sitters were still in the branches, 12 hours after the crew of arborists guarded by about 40 UC police officers showed up to start removing the activists' gear.

University spokesman Dan Mogulof said one of the arborists had been trying to wrap duct tape around a rope when the tree-sitter bit him on the arm. The other arborist wrestled her into the cherry picker and took her to the ground, where she was arrested, he said.

The woman had dumped a bucket of urine on two arborists earlier in the day, Mogulof said. UC police did not identify her.

The arborists and workers hired by the university dodged human waste and other debris throughout the day as they cut ropes that ran from one tree to another and removed supplies that protesters had stored in the branches.

Here’s the link:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/...

Human waste? Never trust a woman with a one word name...Madonna, Cher and now Millipede? Although I am thinking maybe Millipede on the D-line for Cal this season, she seems tough enough.

1Tomcat · 1 year ago

Hello Mr Mayor My post below was addressing the tree sitter issue, thanks for the info
Not only did I post it in the wrong place, but adressed it to Ben instead of Mr Mayor
BTW love your photo
Millipede is a bug right?
If they really cared about trees they could go to Costa Rica, Guademala and protest down there.
The rain forest are being cutt down so they can plant corn for Bio Deisel

1Tomcat · 1 year ago

Mr Mayor Once again I failed to get my post in the proper place
Go Ducks

1Tomcat · 1 year ago

Thanks for the info Ben, I would be happy to remove the treesitters without anybody getting hurt.
Seems like the folks at Cal could see the simple solution to their existing problem.
Its the Cal's property and these so-called activist are indeed violating the Law causing an uneeded spectacle that doesnt really help their so-called cause at all.
They way I look at it heck these animals are just leaches upon our soceity and that they are an unproductive burden on the rest of the country. They obviuosly dont work, all they do is sit around in trees making fools of themselves. The way I figure heck they climbed up there, so they can climb down. Its just that simple. Totally isolate the area from the rest of the world . Put up fences and barracades and pevent any contact with anybody except security forces. The Univerity is not obligated to provide these tresspasers access to food and water. Blockade this area and deny all access. They will eventually come down one way or another, it was their choice to climb up there anyway. If they resort to cannabilism or leap to their deaths or die from dehydration it really doesnt matter, because they have choosen their fate and soceity would be better off without them anyway. After going without food and water these so-called activist will start eating the trees themselves and after a week or so the university could built fires underneath the trees and smoke them out, what the heck its their property. They will come down no doubt.
They wouldnt last two days in a tree here without water 103F

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 1 year ago

I hired a tree sitter once, Mayor. But I had to fire her because all she did was raid the refrigerator, sneak some of my booze, and bop her boyfriend on my couch...

:-)

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 1 year ago

What do you mean it won't support a division structure, Ben? You're proposing loosely apportioning them into three groups. I gotta ask: what's the difference? It sounds very complicated.

Unfortunately for you Utes, I think that a serious look at expansion in the Pac-10+ might favor that school from Provo. JMHO...

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

The difference is that a division structure restricts you to choose one team from each division and causes more seperation in the scheduling than the complicated system described above.

While the teams in the three groups play each other annually, the teams from ourside the groups play at least as often as they would in a tradtional division structure, more so if they are playing at the same level.

I am considering a 2 team expansion to allow a championship game. I concluded that a BYU-Utah expansion makes the most sense. If BYU is accepted into the PAC 10, who other than Utah would they take?

Utah is a better school academically than BYU and BYU is picky about not playing on Sunday. BYU making BCS waves this year could turn the tables for both schools.

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 1 year ago

Unfortunately, academics don't factor into the equation. A program's history and how much TV market share they're going to command is what will be looked at. Maybe SLC's market might be more attractive than Fresno's, or Boise's, or Honolulu's. I dunno.

If the Pac 10 expands, they'll go to twelve teams and split in two. Granted, going to a nine game conference schedule was a good step, but it's not enough. The Pac 10 and the Big 10(11) can't get a pass on that one last shot of getting eaten by their own the way the SEC, ACC, and Big 12 do. The only question is who's going to be the last conference to call out NOT ME!!!

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

Unlike the SEC, the PAC 10 does value academics.

No team is going to want to be in a division without USC and UCLA. A division strict structure is an impass.

The MWC will be the last conference to sport a conference championship, after they merge with the WAC after the PAC 10 expansion.

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 1 year ago

I'm just trying to think of what we can name the two divisions in an expanded Pac-12 conference:

Timber and Hollywood

Wooden and Golden

Rainy and Sunny

USC and Not USC

Cali and The Rest

Coastal and Inland

Volcano and Beach

Grunge and Granola

You guys feel free to jump in here now...

TheMayor · 1 year ago

USC and Not USC

I love it!

Ramblin' Gator · 1 year ago

Fruits and Nuts

Google and Microsoft

Earthquake and Monsoon

Landslide and Volcano

Brush Fire and Nothing Burn Here

...and my personal favorite:

The Trojans and The Rest

Note: the above is expressed in love. I spend almost half my time in the SF Bay Area and consider it my second home.

Zac · 1 year ago

Bevis & Butthead?

Bevo_Boy · 1 year ago

That gave me an idea for the Red River Rivalry. Bevo vs. Butthead

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

Hippies and Hollywood

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

I don't think the PAC 10 would support a division structure.

No one is going to want to be in a division that does not have USC and UCLA.

Above I group them into three groups of four for scheduling, not as divisions. Each team plays every team in thier group every year and two teams from every other group on a four year cycle. Additionally, each team would play two games against two of the four remaining teams that are the most similar to them in strength the year befor.

If you are playing to a level commpairable to USC and UCLA you will play them every year. Otherwise you will play them every other year. It will be decided on the field, not by a division construct.

I suppose these three groups can be named.

California - North West - Inland
Golden State - Oregington - Grand Canyon

TheMayor · 1 year ago

Oregington? I almost choked on my Arby's regular. potato cake and Dr. Pepper! Hysterical...

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

I couldn't think of anything that united the two states, so...

Zac · 1 year ago

Hey, I think I came up with another one: Mall Country & Wine Country

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

Northwest - Middlewest - Southwest

TheMayor · 1 year ago

I just don't like not playing UW, USC and OSU every year.

It is inevitable though, I'll just learn to deal.

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

Is that an Oregon visor! How can anyone say they don't like the Ducks (unless they are a Beaver)?

With the idea above Oregon would play UW and OSU every year, and USC two our of four years. In the two years you are not guaranteed to play USC you still have a 50% chance of picking them up if Oregon playes to a level similar to USC.

You are the first PAC 10 fan to indicate that expansion is inevitable. Usually PAC 10 fans have a strong allergy to the idea of expansion.

TheMayor · 1 year ago

Ben

It is what it is...if the Pac 10 doesn't own up, they'll never gain the respect of the other major conferences I'm afraid.

THREAD HIJACK ALERT: How about Danny Ainge and The Celtics winning the NBA tonight.? I don't give a ducks nut about the NBA, but he was my ball boy on my 5th grade basketball team in Eugene Oregon in 1965....so kudos to the greatest Duck B-Baller that never was.

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 1 year ago

So like what did the rest of you guys on that 5th grade basketball team go on to do???

I believe that Ainge was a 3-sport All-American in high school. That's pretty hard to do...

He became my favorite player when I saw him warming up in the Pontiac Silverdome during the 1987 Eastern conference finals with his "I hate Danny Ainge" T-shirt, purchased in Detroit...

TheMayor · 1 year ago

I was sponsored by Phil Knight in this photo...it's an Oregon/Nike visor with an Oregon/Nike retro sisties track and field warm-up at The Holiday Bowl against the hated Sooners (there you go OU Ron, you made the short list along with the Beavers, Trojans, Huskies and Wake Forest...congratulations).

My wife hates the visor and the jacket....ergo, therefore, I wear them to every game.

OU_Ron · 1 year ago

Or unless they're from the state of Oklahoma

TheMayor · 1 year ago

See my response above, you should be proud as it is a short and distinguished list. OK Wake Forest is a stretch but we've never beaten them and they're a golf school for cryin' out loud!!!

. I only wish I could post my OU/UO post-"cheater" game video, you'd love it!!!!

TheMayor · 1 year ago

Sorry make that "below." As in "below me."

David · 1 year ago

Overall the conference championship game has more downside than having one.
Yes the Pac 10 has a chance of a split champion. Anyother down side?? None I can think of.
Having one on the other hand leaves it open for 2 splits, one in each division.
As the ACC showed us the best team in the conference wins it just the best one that day. In fact in 2005 when Florida State beat VT, Miami was left on the outside not even getting a chance to play but had a better record than Florida State.
Does anyone actually like seeing 2 teams play 2 times in 1 season?? I know I don't care much for it.
Having 2 divisions makes some schedule easier than others. Kansas last season pulled the 3 lowest teams in the Big 12 South.

IF this were to ever happen I think Utah and BYU would be the best to bring in. I think a north south split would make the most sense. with these 2 Oregon, Oregon State , UW and WSU as the north and the 4 cal schools and the AZ schools as the south.

Football Picks · 1 year ago

An imbalanced schedule is one of the biggest problems with big conferences. No conference has been able to keep it balanced and the conference winner annually is not the best teams it's a good team with the most favorable schedule and that's just not right.

1Tomcat · 1 year ago

I totally agree, bet yall are glad you have UT this year

Zac · 1 year ago

I would agree that this happens on occasion, and I'll refrain from the obvious example everyone points to. The thing is this too is part of the glamour; the Cinderella effect. Sometimes a lesser team gets a 2nd chance and makes the most of it. So long as that team isn't necessarily going to a play-off or vie for the NC, what's wrong with them winning a conference championship?

TigerEducated · 1 year ago

Football picks...The SEC Championship Game winner has produced the National Champion two years in a row.

I'd say our system works pretty dad gum well...

LSU & UGA the past two years, respectively, did not deserve to be national champions. They did not win their division, and did not do what it took to be crowned conference Champions.

The only difference is that we didn't whine about it the way Jawja fans did this past year...

Football Picks · 1 year ago

Really? An uncalled for, illogical and unecessary personal cheap shot? I guess I should expect nothing less from an SEC fan.
When did the Jayhawk fans whine? We went to the Orange Bowl (and frankly MU should have ahead of us) and beat Virginia Tech. A great year for Kansas football and then there was that basketball national championship.
I think you made my case for me. OU won a national championship in a year when they didn't even win their own conference title. And they got the shot because they played a so called tough schedule in the Big 12, if they had played everybody in the conference they would earned the right to be called conference champs ON THE FIELD. College football is too often deciding things by what experts think or polls say, that's ridiculous. Especially when those polls start in August!!?!?!
Really my only point is simple - SETTLE IT ON THE FIELD!

Bevo_Boy · 1 year ago

When did OU win a national title when they didn't win the conference? I remember them losing to to LSU when they didn't win the conference for the national title, but they won the conference in 2000. At least, that's assuming my memory serves me correctly and so does www.cfbdatawarehouse.com

OU_Ron · 1 year ago

Football Picks, not sure what you mean ???????, OU won the NC in 2000 and also was the conference champs........OU was undefeated that year .
So whats up with "I think you made my case for me. OU won a national championship in a year when they didn't even win their own conference title. And they got the shot because they played a so called tough schedule in the Big 12,"

Bevo_Boy · 1 year ago

Ok, maybe I should check to make sure someone doesn't make my point before me. At least int helps me know that I am right.

Football Picks · 1 year ago

Sorry, that should have been PLAYED FOR the National Championship in the 03-04 season after losing to K-State in the Big XII Title game in Dec of 2003. It was ridiculous that OU didn't get knocked out of the title game after that loss because of a perceived strength of schedule by playing in the south. Again, settle it on the field, not in polls.

TigerEducated · 1 year ago

Jawja does not = Jayhawk

Reading comprehension is not your strong suit...and I mean that in a constructive criticism sort've way, Football Picks...

FYI, Jawja=Georgia Bulldawgs...

I was taking a shot at a team from my own conference. The Fighting Mangino's were't even close to sniffing a national title. If you think they could've stayed don the field with an LSU, UGA, or even an Ohio State, for that matter, you're dreaming...

So, in summation:

You can't read. It wasn't uncalled for. It was logical. It wasn't necessary, but quite illuminating. You should expect nothing less than an SEC Fan's best...at least from me, anyway...

Anything else I didn't cover there?

Football Picks · 1 year ago

Okay.

1Tomcat · 1 year ago

TE Reading comprehension has absolutley nothing to do with the Footballpicks
misinterpretation of your regional slang word. I was using the spanish pronouciation
and thought you were refering to Hawaii.
The fighting Mangino's as you put it finished the season with one loss, so they were
definetly within smelling distance and quite capable of beating LSU.
Thank goodness for Tiger fans that you will never know.
Your the one thats dreaming because when you look at the 2007 season
yall only faced one mutual opponent V-Tech, sure LSU won by a bigger margin
early in the season and KU beat them in a bowl.
LSU lost two games in 07 and squeezed past a couple of others.
KU lost one game Missu Tigers 36-28
The same Missu Tigers that beat Arkansas 38-7
I'll remind you that Arkansas beat LSU
Could KU have beat LSU probably heck Kentucky did.
So gloat in your limelight while you can
Okay so yall beat Ohio St so did ILLinois
That same team that lost to Missu 40-34 ILL
Looking at the 07 season is real interesting
I for one really like SEC football, however in reality one must recognize that other
conferences like the B-12 are pretty darn tough too.
I only see a few mutual opponents between SEC and some B-12 teams
We would all like to see more SEC vs B12 matchups
2007
Bama 30-24 Colo
Missu 38-25 Ole Miss
Auburn 23-13 KSU
UGA 35-14 Ok St
Missu 38-7 Ark
Next year the Hogs come into Austin
Hookem-Horns
Mack Brown is .500 against Arkansas
Brown is 1000 against Miles
1998 to present
1. Texas 103-25
2. Bois st 102-24
3. VTech 99-28
4. Ohio st 98-27
5. Miami 94-28

Last 7 years
1. Texas 76-14
Bois 76-14
USC 75-14
LSU 78-18
OSU 73-16
Coaches in the NCAA with an active streak of 16 consecutive bowl appearances
1. Bobby Bowden 26
2. Mack Brown 16
There are only 3 div 1-A schools with 4 straight bowl wins 04-07
Texas
Boston college
Utah
Mack Brown is the only current Div 1-A coach in NCAA
12 straight 9 + win seasons
B-12 winningest team-Texas 7 straight 10 win seasons
10 straight 9 win seasons

Zac · 1 year ago

Ahem, just a little clarification. Be thow reminded, the 2007 NC backed into the game courtesy of a terrible season finale by the Big East Champion. Without question, they proved they belonged there, and proved a few other points in the process, but ya hasta admit; they gotsa little hep.

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 1 year ago

Rather reminiscent of the same whining that one-loss Michigan did begging to get another shot at tOSU in 2006, wouldn't you say?

Zac · 1 year ago

Come on, WarEagle. Didn't you know, had they played a 2nd time, the outcome would have been different? Hart said so himself. Far be it from me to question him.

TigerEducated · 1 year ago

But, like MGOBLUE says...They are the KINGS of College Football...

1Tomcat · 1 year ago

I thought it was App St who were the Kings

Henry · 1 year ago

Big Boy? When every team plays every other team, you don't need a championship game. That's the epitome of settling it on the field. I'll wait while all of the SEC fans go look up the word "epitome."

TigerEducated · 1 year ago

Big Boy? Who am I? Al Pacino's character in Dick Tracy or something? Mmmmkay...

As far as you trying to use the same old shopworn, hackneyed responses about relative education levels of fans of SEC member institutions in a discussion with me, I'll just say say that getting yourself caught up in some vitriolic diatribe with the likes of me will have you up way past your bedtime, scrambling to type in hackneyed and vitriolic into www.dictionary.com so you don't feel so completely owned by a guy from just outside of Baton Rouge, Louisiana.

I can somnambulate through a back and forth with the likes of you and not even bother hitting snooze, Henry...

When it comes to college football discussions, I'm all for it...If you want to go off the reservation, I'll be your Huckleberry, there, too...Either way, I think you might quickly find yourself biting off a tad more than you can chew with this "SEC fan". Better to just sit back and keep your hands and feet inside the rails of this ride at all times...You might draw back a bloody stump for your carless, capricious comments, at least when you direct them towards me, sir...

Let's keep the comments germane to the discussion and civil, Henry...

OU_Ron · 1 year ago

The damn German's don't have anything to do with this discussion, oh wait a minute, that line is from a movie.........
It's been a while since you've TE,d anyone................

TigerEducated · 1 year ago

I freaked out after writing it and almost wet my pants e-mailing Kevin...I spend all of, I dunno...3 minutes typing that response out, and then I thought it had gone to "moderator review" heaven...

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 1 year ago

It wasn't over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor, Ron. That's what it has to do with it...

OU_Ron · 1 year ago

Oh yeah, I keep forgetting about that, darn !!!

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 1 year ago

If TE wants to keep the comments German, then I'll try:

Wer koennen Deutsch lesen? Ich denke dass TE ein arschlok ist. Das ist nicht so schwere zu verstehen...

Irgend jemand? Irgend jemand? Herr Bueller? Herr Bueller?

Zac · 1 year ago

AUSGEZEICHNET!!! Ein anderas mench wer mit mir gesprechen. Wo-her commen sie auf?

Warten sie, ein bischen. Forgessen sie das. Wo-her ist mein Volvo?!?

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 1 year ago

Herr Ginzo:
Du hast mir keinen geld gegeben, so habe ich kein Volvo fur dich...

Bevo_Boy · 1 year ago

Just to make sure, you didn't have to look up any of those words, did you? I think I might freak out if I looked in a dictionary and saw your picture next to the word: hypocrite.

Zac · 1 year ago

"Vitriolic"? What's laxative got to do with anything???

Porcine · 1 year ago

Easy there Doc, at least toy with him a while before you drop the hammer.

Zac · 1 year ago

"Epitome", isn't that a musical instrument?

1Tomcat · 1 year ago

Yes its a Japanese Gibson-Epitone
Japanese Fender-Squier
American Truck-Toyota

Zac · 1 year ago

Oh wata feel'n, eh TC? (Good stuff, BTW)

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

The appeal of a championship game is the appeal of excitement, exposure and money.

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 1 year ago

Henri': What good is playing every other team in the conference if you're still too scared to crown a solitary champ based on head-to-head competition? Two years since the Pac-10 went to a 9 game conference schedule they've had 'co-champs' each year. What's up with that?

Zac · 1 year ago

Easy, it more than doubles the odds that his team is one of them.

Other Mike · 1 year ago

Tiger, you seem to misunderstand how Pac-10 basketball works. The conference tournament does not crown the conference champion. The conference champion is decided before the tournament starts, based on the conference record. The only thing to gain by winning the tournament is an automatic bid to the NCAA tournament, if that team hasn't already gotten in.

Zac · 1 year ago

Just curious: Does the regular season PAC-10 BB champ get an automatic ticket to the dance, or do they have to earn that via the tournament? If not in the former and if so in the latter, AND a CF National Championship required conference champions, guess what? All the PAC-10 might get is an "at-large" invite.

TheMayor · 1 year ago

"Just curious: Does the regular season PAC-10 BB champ get an automatic ticket to the dance, or do they have to earn that via the tournament?"

Both get invited

Zac · 1 year ago

Thanks, Mayor!

TigerEducated · 1 year ago

I'm not misremembering it at all, Other Mike...Baseball & Basketball in the SEC also crown a regular season champion as well...It's the part about the why that you & your Punk-10 cohorts are completely muddy about.

You see, the post-season tournaments in those other sports help to deterimine post-season seedings, automatic invitations, etc...

Which is exaaaaaaaactly why the SEC trailblazed the path for football, as well.

TigerEducated · 1 year ago

Testing

TigerEducated · 1 year ago

Kevin...Thanks a billion for the work on the site to get it all set up properly...

Jeff · 1 year ago

Conference championship games are the dumbest thing around. If you like those and aren't a suit making money off of the deal, i'd love to hear your reasoning for it. The Pac 10 as it is has the clearest and truest champion out there, with every single team playing every other team EVERY YEAR. None of that Kansas missing Texas and Oklahoma garbage that can happen in the Big 12, ACC, SEC etc.

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

How is more football games only good for suits? Do you not like watching football?

If the PAC 12 keeps its 9 game schedule, each team would miss only 2 teams per year. The scheduling above would favor teams at the top missing teams at the bottom of the standings. Thus the top teams play the top teams every year, where the ties will tend to be.

How does the PAC 10 decide a three way tie of one loss teams? The highest BCS standings?

This argument is invalid, as it can be extended to the last spot of any tournament that is not all inclusive. Indeed, which team in a three way tie would be excluded from a championship game? While the number one seed for the BCS national championship is usually unquestioned, the number two seed is often suspect. The line must be drawn somewhere.

1Tomcat · 1 year ago

Thanks for the info Ben
There is no reason for any PAC-10 fans to support a conf Champ game, they realize that expanding to a 12 team conference would require a conf champ game.
So now they can have split champs etc etc,which is only fair for those who already happy with the status quo and fear the idea of expansion. I would love to see the expansion and BYU & Utah seem to be the best canidates for expansion. Some might argue for Frenso St.
Jeff is obviously blind to the fact that teams from P-10, B-10 & BE have an advantage over teams in the B-12,ACC & SEC were conf champ games are required for determining a champ.
Hookem-Horns

David · 1 year ago

Required by only th confernce them selves. there is NO NCAA rule stating that these or any confence must have a conference championship game.

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

Does a conference championship require a division structure, or to simply 12 teams in a conference?

I assumed that it only takes 12 teams but am unable to find the actual rules governing NCAA football scheduling.

Zac · 1 year ago

David, it's not the rules being debated here; it's whether or not the advantages of a conference play-off outweigh the disadvantages, and whether or not conference play-offs should be mandatory. No one's arguing the rules.

Zac · 1 year ago

"Jeff is obviously blind to the fact that teams from P-10, B-10 & BE have an advantage over teams in the B-12,ACC & SEC were conf champ games are required for determining a champ."

It's either that, or he's aware of the advantage, and doesn't want the PAC-10 to lose it.

TigerEducated · 1 year ago

Jeff, welcome...Evidently, you're a longtime/firstime...Now that we've got the initial, obligatory salutations out of the way...

Buy a dog. Or go back up onto the porch with BleedRingoHairCrimson...

I'll buy into your logic about clearest and truest as soon as you tell me why the conference has a postseason tournament for its members in both basketball and beisbol. Evidently, the suits at the PAC-10 don't feel as if the regular season title is the clearest and truest picture of the clearest and truest champion...

I'll hang up and listen.

Out.

Porcine · 1 year ago

If Kansas was the best team, they would have won it.

40AcresOfBurntOrange · 1 year ago

Interesting articles indeed Ben even though i still think the part of Texas ever even thinking about leaving the Big 12 is crazy. i know they wanted to join after the break of of the Ole southwest, but i just don't ever see Texas leaving the Big 12. It would be interesting to see the Pac 10 with a conference championship game which i think every conference should have especially if it is a BCS conference.

HookEmHorns!

Brad · 1 year ago

Finally the PAC 10 can join the big boys and have a championship game. Glad you could join us.

Zac · 1 year ago

Ben, I thought this was a good series of articles. It really brought a lot of information, not to mention many questions to the forefront. I'm also suspecting, given the strength of this blog, there are individuals who are likely following this looking for good ideas. Your articles in conjunction with our responses may have assisted in some future decision making. Could happen.

Now, since I've gotten you all buttered up, what are the chances that WVU's defense will be at all decent this year? What with only one starter returning to five positions, few back-up returnees (one of which wasn't very good to begin with), and a few too many new-comers, I'm more than a little concerned.

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

Thank you for the complements. This last thread was actually targeted more at PAC 10 decision makers/BYU-Utah lobbyists(+/-spelling) than bloggers. As expected, the hits for the first two are significantly higher.