DISQUS

Porcine · 1 year ago

Pfft.

Lennie Collins · 1 year ago

SEC fans are going to go ape....! Big 12 is the ....! SEC ain't.....! Crimson & Cream True!

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

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Lennie Collins · 1 year ago

J, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, U, V, W, X, Y, Z! Shoot...that should cover all the doggone letters now!

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

LOL!! As long as you know I meant "aye", as in, I agree with what you said!

Lennie Collins · 1 year ago

You might not want to do that! SEC fans might put you on "that long list" not to respond to! They're not gonna respond to you. They're gonna laugh at you!

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

"You might not want to do that! SEC fans might put you on "that long list" not to respond to!"

You're acting like that's a bad thing, considering there are some that actually will go ape. Most of them around here are very reasonable, though.

"They're gonna laugh at you!"

Meh. Doesn't bother me in the least! :-)

Lennie Collins · 1 year ago

Most SEC fan on here are good folks. Except when you don't recognize the SEC...shoot!

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

I think I made it onto Bleed Crimson's "do not reply" list, LOL!

Lennie Collins · 1 year ago

Was it sum'thin' you said?

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

Definitely.

Ramblin' Gator · 1 year ago

Oh crap - I started something! ;-)

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

l

Bevo_Boy · 1 year ago

You did mean h, right?

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

Oh no, when you use "l", it means you agree. On another thread, someone had a comment with "l", so Ramblin' Gator defined it as "aye" or "I agree".

Bevo_Boy · 1 year ago

Oh, I guess I was gone too long.

OU_Ron · 1 year ago

No one in the SEC will believe this, I GUA RAN TEE

Lennie Collins · 1 year ago

SEC fans are gone riot in thier respective cities tonight. They gone put a hit out on this guy!

NMLSooner · 1 year ago

Jeff Sagarin has just entered Salman Rushie's "The Satanic Verses" territory. If I were him, I would not go anywhere near the Mason-Dixon line.

Lennie Collins · 1 year ago

As long as he gotz a protective cup on...he'll be al'right! SEC fans gone be sack snatchin'!

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

"Sack snatchin'" is purely an OU/UT thing...

Followed by UCG and their "butt buddies"...

Lennie Collins · 1 year ago

I hope SEC fans don't go after this guy!

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

Every time I read about that story, I flinch and clench. Sometimes back-to-back, sometimes at the same time...

Clemson_Joe · 1 year ago

Makes perfect sense to me. See what happens when human bias is thrown out and the perfect logic of a computer is left to do the thinking?

The SEC has 4 strong this year, a decent middle, and a very bad bottom. Usually their bottom is much stronger than it is right now.

Ramblin' Gator · 1 year ago

Hmm... I gotta disagree with your first statement and agree with your second.

Computers are just as biased as the people who program them.

The middle and bottom of the SEC are not as strong as usual. The Big 12 is looking like the top conference this year. What I'd like to see is how the Big 12 Champion offense does against the SEC champion defense. Don't know if it will happen, but I can continue hoping!

Clemson_Joe · 1 year ago

True, computers are as biased if the programmers are. My point is that Jeff Sagarin left out the part about "being in the SEC" when he was writing it. For his formula, among many other things, it's just, did they win or lose, and the answer is yes or no. There is no answer like, "no, but they're in the SEC". That's the bias that I'm talking about.

Big XII is the best this year, hands down. In my opinion, 2nd place is a 3 horse race yet to be determined. The SEC has more at the top than the other 2, but not much backing them up. The Big Ten is good at the top, and decent in the middle, while the ACC is the deepest with no one currently at the top. We'll just have to see how it all shakes out.

If I had it my way, I'd like to see a BCS this year consisting of Texas vs. Florida, Alabama vs. Penn State, Southern Cal vs. Oklahoma, West Virginia vs. Utah, ACC Champ vs. Boise/Tulsa/TCU/BYU. I know I won't get my wish, but it'd be great if I did.

grover · 1 year ago

I think he may be right. What is the best SEC victory over a non-SEC school? Is it Georgia beating Central Michigan? Nothing to write home about...

On the flip side, I have no idea what the best ACC victory over a non-ACC opponent would be.

Lennie Collins · 1 year ago

Georgia beating Arizona State or Alabama beating Clemson...shoot!

Tommy_Trojan · 1 year ago

Yep, this guy don't know nothing. Fact is: the SEC plays more Division II teams and Sunbelt conference teams than anybody does. They'll even sprinkle in some Conference USA opponents. The 20-7 record means nothing overall. Kevin makes mention that the SEC has three teams in the Top Ten. That is not quite correct. The "Predictor" only has two teams in the Top Ten. The "Predictor" removes all of the BCS bullcrap and is used as a "pure power rating" - for the purpose of "predicting" future outcomes.

We always want to prentend like losses to Duke, UCLA and Louisiana Tech don't mean anything - but they do. There were other losses to good teams like Texas, West Virginia, Wake Forest and Georgia Tech. Nevertheless, maybe some of those games could have been wins. But, the vast majority of wins have come against very inferior competition. The "signature win" has either been Alabama's beatdown of Clemson or Georgia beating Arizona State. Both USC and Oregon beat ASU but a much larger margin. Clemson has lost three other games. There is nothing in this year that suggests that the SEC rules the roost. Many of their top teams are on the decline like LSU, Arkansas and Auburn. Kentucky has had many injuries. Alabama is on the incline - as well as Mississippi. Overall, just like the PAC 10 in this year, the conference is on the decline. Bowl season is yet to come, and the SEC always does well there, so they still have a shot at retaining order. Personally, I think that the Big 12 is overrated in this year. We'll find out come Bowl season.

Lennie Collins · 1 year ago

Tommy Trojan...I take it that you plan not to visit SEC country? If you do...you will keep a low profile!

Tommy_Trojan · 1 year ago

Lennie:

I'll be leaving my "detachable penis" at the crib. Sure hope my ol' lady don't go and let some other guy have it.

Lennie Collins · 1 year ago

Hey...that's one doggone secret Victoria needs to keep to herself! There are kids on here that do not need to hear that talk! Bevo Boy, Bama Babe, 1Tomcat, etc!

Kevin @ Fanblogs · 1 year ago

Kevin makes mention that the SEC has three teams in the Top Ten. That is not quite correct. The "Predictor" only has two teams in the Top Ten.

It's perfectly "correct". You can say that it is misleading, embellished, or whatever you may think of it, but it is accurate to the fact. :-)

Tommy_Trojan · 1 year ago

Kevin:

OK! Just depends on what rating you want to look at. Personally, I'd never look at the ELO-Chess, as it's a load of crap. The "combined" only adds that in. But, your choice.

Porcine · 1 year ago

Don't bring him down! No, no, no, no, no. Don't bring him down.

"BC" · 1 year ago

yeahhh Tommy.
like every other conference DOES schedule tough OOC opponents.
i love how everyone dogs the SEC's OOC schedule, while forgetting to look at their own.

okay so OSU scheduled USC.
that was one good thing.

but at least the SEC is trying harder than anyone else.
Alabama vs. Clemson - hey at least they tried. they didnt know clemson was gonna suck so bad.
Auburn vs. WVU - challenging the top Big Easy opponent. props.
Ole Miss vs. Wake Forest - pretty gutsy as well.
Tennessee vs. UCLA - once again, UCLA was supposed to be good.
im sure there are others.

name any conference that scheduled a tougher OOC schedule than that.

Lennie Collins · 1 year ago

Pacific 10, Mountain West, Big 11, Big 12...

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

You are better off sticking with the "We play 3-4 top 25 teams in conference, why do we need to look outside our conference" argument.

As for the UCLA-Tennessee game, I think Tennessee was supposed to be good to.

How many FCS teams did the PAC 10 play? None? Maybe if the SEC had to play the MWC like the PAC 10 does they would have had a 1-6 blow to their OOC record.

Tommy_Trojan · 1 year ago

Bleed Crimson:

You've lost your mind, son. Back away from the paint canister while there is still time. Your brain can recover - maybe.

"name any conference that scheduled a tougher OOC schedule than that". Really? How about every single conference including the Sunbelt. Here are some of the "stellar" teams that the SEC has scheduled:

Division II

Citadel, Georgia Southern, Norfolk State, Wofford, Western Illinois, Tennessee-Martin, Appalachian State, Samford and SE Louisiana.

Sunbelt Conference

Arkansas State, North Texas, Western Kentucky (2), Middle Tennessee (2) and UL Monroe (3).

Other noteworthy opponents

UA Birmingham (2), Wyoming, Tulane (2) and Louisiana Tech.

"but at least the SEC is trying harder than anyone else". What? Stop it , man, your killing me here. You have got to just quit. Your conference is a total and complete joke as far as who they schedule to play OOC.

The PAC 10 has scheduled only one Division II opponent, and I beleive, that is because Oregon had to do it. Puuuuleeeaaase! Stop with the comedy!

Clemson_Joe · 1 year ago

Exactly. I won't even jump on him now. I'll just leave it at agreeing with you.

"BC" · 1 year ago

i dont understand what's so funny.
it's not about who schedules the most BCS OOC opponents.
it's about who schedules the toughest OOC opponents.
and dont give credit to BCS bottom-feeders for scheduling tough OOC opponents.
i'm talking about OOC games that have big programs vs. big programs

alabama played clemson - an elite ACC program
auburn played WVU - the best Big East program
Georgia played ASU - an elite Pac 10 program
Tennessee played UCLA - an elite Pac 10 program

those are the games that matter.
good programs that have the guts to face other good programs
and rivalry games don't count.

ACC
FSU
Miami
Clemson
Virginia Tech

Pac 10
USC
Oregon
Arizona St.
UCLA
Cal

Big Ten
Ohio State
Michigan
Penn State
Wisconsin

Big XII
Texas
Oklahoma
Missouri

SEC
Alabama
Florida
Georgia
LSU
Tennessee
Auburn

Big East
West Virginia
South Florida

those are the eligible teams
now everyone go see how many big OOC games your conference's elite teams scheduled this year.
the SEC had 4.
ready....BREAK

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

I like the idea of actually breaking teams down by actual skill over simple conference alignment.

You don't do the following justice:
Georgia Tech
Boston College
Illinois
Kansas
Kansas State
Colorado
Pittsburgh
Louisville

I also think the following teams outside a BCS AQ conference should count:
Notre Dame
Utah
BYU
TCU
Boise State
Fresno State
Tulsa

These teams all consistently flirt with the top 25, at least to a level consistent with Miami, FSU and Tennessee.

"BC" · 1 year ago

if you love breaking games down by actual skill, then you'll love the poll i constructed earlier of the current BCS top 10. well....maybe not, being a Utah fan.

the ingredients?
2 parts talent, 1 part record, and 1 part SOS.
here's what i get:

1. Alabama - 10
2. Texas - 14
3. USC - 16
4. Florida - 17
5. Georgia - 18
T6. Oklahoma - 22
T6. Oklahoma State
T6. Penn State
9. Texas Tech - 28
10. Utah - 31

pretty good stuff huh?
don't you wish the BCS would use this?
mannn we'd have some good games.

imagine:
Texas v. Alabama
USC v. Florida
Georgia v. Oklahoma
Penn State v. Oklahoma State

...as the BCS games. college football heaven?

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

I missed the actual basis for the numbers. I was simply mentioning that the original list of teams that count as quality wins was a little lacking.

1Tomcat · 1 year ago

Hey BC I beg to differ with you that the OCC rivalry games do indeed count
GT vs UGa
Fla vs FSU
Fla vs UM
USC vs Clem
Louis vs KY
Ole Miss vs Memphis
Texas vs Ark
These types of games are non conference games against Div-1A schools and inclusion of these games just helps your argument

Tommy_Trojan · 1 year ago

BC:

What is the matter with you? Do you really think that Arizona State and UCLA are "elite" PAC 10 teams? Are you crazy? For your information - they both really suck! Now, in years past they have had some "decent" years. But, "elite" programs, no way! Is it the SEC's fault that they blow this year? No, it is not. What is sad is having to set-up games way out in the future. This creates for many games that were much anticipated - to not be very good games at all. This has happened in all four cases that you cited. Tennessee, Auburn, Clemson, Arizona State and UCLA all suck this year. Who would have thought that? I'll applaud the SEC in giving minimal effort here. But, the more telling argument is THE FACT that they scheduled twenty-four games, against very substandard competition. That is an average of two very weak OOC games per team. That will keep the losses down. Man, I mean you guys would get alot more respect, if you even scheduled "average" teams. Notice that I didn't count Troy State on the list? They are at least average. I didn't count the Southern Mississippi's or Memphis' either. But, that is about as high as you guys will go. Can't risk a loss. Gotz to continue "brainwashing" all these SEC'ers - that we are the "greatest conference". Well, Bleed, the rest of us certainly have not tasted the kool-aide.

1Tomcat · 1 year ago

Now BC You forgot one
Texas vs Arkansas 52-10
BTW WVU that challenging B-E opponent lost to Colo a team thats fighting for the bottom of B-12 north after losing to Tex,FSU and Missu
Glad the SEC fans have their own thread after hyjacking the PSU thread
Hookem

shiguy · 1 year ago

In WVU's defense CO definitely did NOT win that game....we just f'ed it up hard core. The ECU game was not as bad to watch, at least for me. We were outplayed pure and simple and the players did not take it seriously enough. The CO game however was just plain painful. We outplayed them in nearly every category except for points. Even the announcers were talking about how they didn't know how WVU lost that game. I knew CO wasn't better than WVU but due to some horrible mistakes (and a couple of very generous 3rd down spots) the game just slipped away. To tell ya the truth I actually didn't want to win the BE this year. I mean yes it's great to go to a bowl. But when i was looking at it i was saying to myself "damn if we were to win it out this year it would look like shit for our conference". Now though, we're looking about as good as anyone else in the conf. so it doesn't even matter, and with really nobody on anyone else's OOC schedule doesn't look like things are going to fair out well for the BE this year.

Here's to next year!!

Wardboy3 · 1 year ago

I will give anybody credit for playing a BCS school. As you stated above you cannot penalize a school for trying and have a team stink the year they play them (Ala vs Clem). So if you just look at who is playing BCS schools and what % they are playing that is where you will get some real #'s.

SEC: 14 against BCS - 33 non-BCS 29.7% (I will give credit for ARK playing Tulsa a non-BCS that is currently ranked #18 in this weeks BCS)

ACC: 46.6% 21 BCS - 24 non-BCS
Big XII: 32.6% 15 BCS - 31 non-BCS (One game vs non-BCS TCU # 13 current BCS rankings)
Big 10: 29.5% 13 BCS - 31 non-BCS (Non-BCS Utah #10 current BCS rankings & Ball St #16 current BCS rankings)
Pac-10: 45.1% 14 BCS - 17 non-BCS (Non-BCS games vs Utah #10, Boise St #11, TCU #13, BYU #20 [two games], and Fresno St)

So the final ranking of who is scheduling OCC games vs other BCS schools:
ACC: 46.6%
PAC-10: 45.1%
BIG XII: 32.6%
SEC: 29.7%
BIG10: 29.5%
You can see above those who are "TRYING" and those who are not.

shiguy · 1 year ago

I will tell you what. I will give props where they are due which is why i respect Auburn and Tenn. These two have a very consistent scheduling of quality teams. Esp. Tenn I think if you were to look at their OOC schedule you'll see what i'm talking about. They may not be doing well at the moment but they almost always have at least one major opponent from another of the Big6 conferences and then when they do play lower tier teams it's still against the likes of marshal, and memphis, etc. great teams? not quite, but they are still a step above the FCS schools that the rest of them have.

Here is what gets me BleedCrimson, WVU, Louisville and USF have asked every SEC team for some type of series ANYTIME in the near future. we're not even talking next year we're talking about anytime even 5-10 years down the road and the answer has been a resounding NOO! I think the BE in particular gets aggrivated with the SEC as they refuse to play us despite the relative location between the two conferences. What you all just don't like playing up north? What's the deal?

Here is an interesting note. Even though the two conferences share borders/ states together the games between them are very rare. this is the total OOC games between the two conferences since the realignment.

WVU-Auburn (home-home)
WVU-Miss St. (home-home)
S. Fl-Auburn (single AU home game)

THATS IT!

It can be noted that louisville and kentucky play every year but that is an interstate rivalry played every year.

ok so maybe it's just the teams havn't gotten on yet lets look at the BE before alignment. .......say back to 2002

Louisville's rivalry is now replaced by a short stint between Miami and Florida but take that out and who do you have??? one
2002 Syracuse against guess who?? auburn.... Props to Auburn

So in the last 6 years taking out the interstate rivalries there have been 3 organized series?!! between 94 possible matchups (96-2 instate rivalries)? really?! something seems slightly off. just a point I thought was interesting.

Tommy_Trojan · 1 year ago

Shiguy:

In case you are not aware of this: since the BCS era began in 1998, and counting games through the 2007 season, the Big East owns a 15-13 edge over the SEC in all games played. This might be the reason why your conference cannot get more games. Start rollin' over like a Division II or Sunbelt opponent - and your sure to get more games.

shiguy · 1 year ago

Yes i know, what's good and bad about that is that many of those were in the Interstate rivalry games as mentioned already and bowl games. But thank you for making another interesting point as you are probably correct in your assumption as to why more are not played.

On a side note FSU is adopting some of the traits as their neighbors as it was announced today that they put up a verbal "hand to the face" to USF when contacted about a neutral site game. Instead they wanted to get Florida Atlantic.......apparently they want a game that is going to pack the jacksonville stadium. wait what?! Ya because that statement makes sense. I'm sure the FSU will be selling their homes for a ticket to go see....Florida Atlantic....

Wardboy3 · 1 year ago

While I have not heard about the USF thing I do know that our OCC schedule is packed already. We do have one slot open here & there over the next few years but here is FSU OCC sch the next few years. As always Florida will be on there.
2009: @ FLA; @ BYU;
2010: FLA; BYU; @ Oklahoma
2011: Oklahoma; @ FLA;
2012 & 2013 We pick up WV.

Porcine · 1 year ago

I don't know about the other schools, but here we have a 10 year deal with A&M in Dallas and a home and home with TCU. What does anyone in the Big East have to offer in order for us to turn them down in favor of one of your guys? We can pay a lesser local school way less than we'll brink in, and use as a recruiting tool.

WestCoaster · 1 year ago

I think it should be pointed out that of these "tough" OOC games, the SEC lost all but one. Even if you would like to claim courage, the results argue against the point of conference strength. The results show that when SEC teams play outside of their SEC comfort zone, they tend to lose. If the SEC is truly as dominant as being argued, they should win at least the majority of games against their "tougher" OOC opponents.

As for other input regarding your post, reference other replies.

OU_Fan · 1 year ago

Wow, Big 12 overrated? I agree with most people that the defenses in the Big 12 for the most part are some what weaker this year than normally, but the whole conference overrated?? I have to disagree.....

BOOMER!

shiguy · 1 year ago

I agree top to bottom B-12 takes it this year.

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

I have to say...I can't wait to see the spittle fly in this comment section. I'll be back with popcorn and my favorite beverage in a bit...

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

I could argur that the seperation between Utah, BYU and TCU from the rest of the MWC is statistically significant.

Sagarin strongly favors conferences with a strong middle, throwing much less weight to the top and bottom of a conference. This will kill the MWC.

I have no idea how the SEC is not #2, or how the PAC 10 is #5.

Anderson and Hester agree with this.

Billingsleyhas the MWC over the Big East and the SEC at #2.

Massey has the Big 12, ACC and SEC in a virtual tie, and also the Big East, PAC 10 and MWC tied up, with the Big 10 in the middle.

The Colley Matrix has the MWC over the PAC 10 and the SEC at #2. This is surprisingly normal for the Colley Matrix, usually an outlier.

My personal favorite of the BCS computers is Wolfe
1 Big 12 7.162
2 Big 10 7.012
3 SEC 6.944
4 Big East 6.707
5 ACC 6.568
6 Mtn West 6.445
7 Pac 10 6.374
8 WAC 5.955

When combined you get This ranking, though slight changes since last week would be made.

The use of a Z-score can be questioned by the appearance of a bimodal distribution, with the SEC, Big 12, ACC and Big 10 at the top, the MAC, Sunbelt and C-USA at the bottom and the rest filling in the middle, though seperated more than the middle would be in a normal distribution.

Kevin @ Fanblogs · 1 year ago

I have no idea how the SEC is not #2

Well, that whole Duke beating Vandy thing didn't help, I can tell you that much.

TampaGator · 1 year ago

Re. Duke v. Vandy:

I must admit...t'was the biggest "WTF?" of the weekend.

Either Cutcliffe has turned a serious corner at DU, or Steve Martin was distracted, working on a movie or somesuch....


GO GATORS!!

laplajo1 · 1 year ago

Maybe the Big 12 is best, but no way is the Big 10 second best. The only reason they look strong this year is because of Penn State--which is not really a Big 10-type team and never has been.

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

Actually the improvements of Minnesota, Northwestern and Michigan State make more of a difference. The Sagarin conference rankings bias towards the middle of the conference.

OU_Fan · 1 year ago

Agreed.....

BOOMER!

bnel · 1 year ago

Kevin - a little presumptive on the non-BCS teams. Is the BE, the ACC and Pac-10 really head and shoulders above the MWC? Does the MWC 6-1 record over the Pac not count?

"I don't think we've seen any rankings that dispute that designation in the last four years."

Maybe for the conference but didn't Utah beat the sh%^ out of Pitt in '04?

Kevin @ Fanblogs · 1 year ago

#1 - Yes, and they lost to UNLV last year. I'm not ready to anoint any conference based on one game.
#2 - Yes, since the entire OP is in regards to the strength of each conference, I am referring specifically to conferences. :-)

Tommy_Trojan · 1 year ago

TE must be workin' up a "state of the union" address as we speak. I'm almost afraid to read what it is gonna consist of. I suppose it'll be okay - if he just leaves out the part about LSU's dominate defense. Ooops! Who the heck am I to talk? For awhile there - I had thought that LSU had a defense.

GeauxTigers0107 · 1 year ago

LOL.... We've got a defense, just not a good one. Once the minor problems of covering tight ends and running backs are corrected....oh yeah, and that small tackling issue is resolved, we'll be alright.

Personally, I can't argue with the rankings posted, as much as I'd like to. The bottom line is, we're just not getting it done (LSU). And like Kevin mentioned, Vandy losing to Duke does nothing to help the arguement.

Geaux Tigers
Geaux SEC

OU_Ron · 1 year ago

GT, good post, OU has a defense also, it's just not very good, I'm thankful that we have have a great offense that keeps us ahead of the game, (except Texas) Ugh......

OU_Ron · 1 year ago

LMAO......

Lennie Collins · 1 year ago

They do have a doggone defense! Two of those Georgia touchdowns were interceptions. SO THERE!

Regan · 1 year ago

LOL....the SEC sucks? Fanblogs?

This thread will top 200 posts before midnight.

Lennie Collins · 1 year ago

Shoot...why don't you add 8 more teams and you can have your own conference!

Regan · 1 year ago

It's the way it is, Lennie...way it is...

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

LOL! That thunderous sound you're hearing is millions of heads south of the Mason-Dixon line exploding...I'm still interested in what happens on the field, though. This ranking system will change until the season is over.

Lennie Collins · 1 year ago

I hope this joker who wrote this article won't be dumb enough to open any packages with any southern post marks on it or any letters with white powder in it!

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

Sagarin runs a computer that automatically generates and posts these results.

The only article is Kevin's.

Lennie Collins · 1 year ago

SEC fans gone get Kevin!

Kevin @ Fanblogs · 1 year ago

Two hundo tonight? You might be right - 60 in two hours. ;-)

Lennie Collins · 1 year ago

What is this guy talkin' bout? Hey-Hey-Hey...We the SEC! We won the last two National Titles! Any team can beat any other team on any given Saturday or Thurday Night! We lead attandance in the NCAA. We gotz game! We demand a recount! We had 5 teams in the Top 10 in the beginning of the season!

GA_Boy · 1 year ago

I get the feeling that the DAWGS and the DAWG nation could care less about this "conference rankings" crap right now. It comes down to the next game. All we want to do is beat the Gators. One game at a time. I think CMR's constant speeches about just winning is going to pay off. We went into the Bama game with a number one ranking on the brain and came out and played a 1st half like chumps. Focus on the task at hand Dawgs and things will work out.
What do you think Blackdawg? Do you care more about Sagarin's ranking of the SEC or the DAWGS pounding the Gators? Check out how Tebow modified his heisman statue. I am really suprised that he did not wear them to the ceremony last year. I have been waiting all year to put this one up!

GO DAWGS!!

Clemson_Joe · 1 year ago

You're exactly right, anyone in the top 10 right now shouldn't be worried about the conference rankings too much. Winning out should be the only thing on their minds. Good luck in Jacksonville. That's going to be a good one.

blackdawg · 1 year ago

GA_Boy, I could care less (Sagrin's ranking).... I'm just waiting on Saturday to get here, just enjoying the football season, one game at a time.

Man, what a game Saturday. I never thought we would could get 50+ points, interception aided or otherwise. I had a few friends who went. They said that the LSU crowd was absolutely fantastic, they tailgated with a bunch of Tigers, good food and hospitality.

Looking forward to taking an eleven game lead in the GA/FL series (World's Largest Outdoor Cocktail Party), it would be ten games according to the enemy, (They don't count the 52-0 drubbing we gave them in 1904). Tebow aint hurtin this year is he?

Ramblin' Gator · 1 year ago

GB and BD, either of you going to the game? Saturday is my birthday and my wife bought us two 50-yard line seats (Gator side, of course) to celebrate!

OU_Ron · 1 year ago

RG, is there going to be a end zone celebration after the first TD........or after the 6th ?? LOL

Bama_Babe · 1 year ago

IF Florida does start to pull away from Georgia at any point in the game - you better believe Urban Meyer will try to run up the score. Forget last year's bench-clearing celebration, that's just his nature....

OU_Ron · 1 year ago

BB, don't think I could blame Meyer, somehow that seems the right thing to do......;-)

TigerEducated · 1 year ago

That game isn't going to be close...Having played both teams, Florida is going to run through Georgia (my apologies, B_B) like Joe Namath & Ken Stabler at the Jack Daniels Distillery...

Florida's speed and their ability to stretch the field, coupled with a suspect defense by Georgia (They may have been 3rd against the run, but take away our sacks, and we rushed for 200+ against them), and Florida's just too tough...

The only way the Dawgs can hunker down and keep it close is if its a shootout...They are NOT going to outscore the Gators unless they turn it into a track-meet...

OU_Ron · 1 year ago

TE, I would like to believe you, but your last two predictions haven't been too good, I thought I would take Florida on the pick em contest, but now I'm not too sure ;-)

TigerEducated · 1 year ago

I'll never pick for LSU to lose a football game...

I'll predict that they'll win a game 1-0 before I predict a loss...

Florida's going to treat them like a sassy mouthed, red-headed stepchild...

GA_Boy · 1 year ago

TE picked Florida. Blackdawg that means we will win. TE, if you don't mind, could you give us one of your page long breakdowns of the game just as a cherry on top! Better yet, save it your energy and breakdown the LSU-Greenwave game for us instead. That was out of line, but I have about had it with being the beating child of the Monday through Friday banter. The only one we weren't getting bashed on was Bama and they beat us like yard dawgs!

GO DAWGS!

TigerEducated · 1 year ago

What's hilarious is that with a greenhorn quarterback, we outscored your offense 38-35...

If he doesn't spot you 17 points off turnovers, we win that game by a FG...

I'd be woofing it up right now if I were you, and oh by the way...Your defense is GARBAGE...

blackdawg · 1 year ago

Your right TE our defense, against LSU played like crap and we'll need to play better Saturday. Our offense has played like crap until last week, so maybe the D will pick it up this weekend, we shall see.

GA_Boy · 1 year ago

Yeah I am sure it is hilarious TE. I bet you are still laughing that you won your pretend game 38-35 in your Purple Haze imagination. Now just stare at the pretty walls and everything will be ok.
I thought you were above the imaginary scenarios! I was just giving you a little crap and you had to go all "GARBAGE" on me.

GO DAWGS!!

TigerEducated · 1 year ago

GA_Boi,

I don't deal in hypotheticals, and I can tell you this...

You're no Florida...

...and that little bitch of a running back you've got that dances in the huddle and then classlessly taunts our fanbase after the game is over is unfortunately NOT indicative of the rest of your fanbase. You were there in good numbers, and your fans were polite, and well-mannered.

My father & I walked out with two that were wonderful. Had a great conversation with them over how worried they were over the defense...

But, let me tell you one thing...Neither side of the ball had more talent than its opponent from Baton Rouge...

I cannot say the same thing about Florida...

Guess you'll just have to learn how to deal...

Ramblin' Gator · 1 year ago

I'm predicting there will be at least one penalty for illegal participation by a Ramblin' Gator. ;-)

Just kidding. I'm really hoping that both teams put it all on the field and leave the monkey business at home. As much as I've assailed Richt since last year's game, I have to admit that his little stunt has reinvigorated what had become a stale rivalry. Here's hoping it remains a vigorous, safe, sane rivalry.

blackdawg · 1 year ago

RG, Happy Birthday!......... I had two tickets upper level. My brother-in-law and I were making the trip, (I have a six year old, who pulls for the Dawgs, but she has not been fully indoctrinated into the dawg cult, still puts Halloween and Santa Clause above things related to GA football, so my wife never makes the trip anymore. This last month though, my dad had a bout with merkle cell carcinoma, and they first thought it had spread to a lung. He had some surgery last Teusday and they believe they got it all so no problem. I still decided to stay close to home and gave my tickets to a friend with some compensation. Never enough can be given though for something so sacred as a ticket to the grand event, sandwiched between the revelry known as the "World's Largest Outdoor Cocktail Party". We always go to the landing, eat, drink, and have a great time. I very seldom drink Bloody Marys, but on Saturday before GA/FLA that's breakfast. I've gone practically every year since the early eighties. I haven't checked but I'm sure I have a losing record. Win or lose, it's still a great weekend. I know you and your wife (fantastic gift by the way) will have a great time and it should be a darn good game. I'll be watching, I'll even fix me a cocktail or two.

Ramblin' Gator · 1 year ago

Sorry to hear your father's been having problems though glad to know he's in good shape now. I lost my father to liver cancer in 2003, so I understand just how scary that all can be.

We won't be doing a lot of partying before or after the game, unfortunately. We're driving up from Orlando before the game and driving back after. My daughter is riding in an equestrian competition Sunday morning, so no victory laps / consolation drinks for Mr and Mrs RG.

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

Ok, now that I have had time to cool down enough to type, and have spell check on my browser, I will finish my above rant.

Expansion
It is clear the MWC as it is does not fit the bill of a BCS conference. I ran Sagarin's rankings on my proposed expansion and found:

MWAC: 72.71

Now this closes the gap with the Big East significantly. If the ELO-CHESS numbers, used by the BCS, are used the gap would be closed. Fresno State is not helping much. Sagarin would have Boise State leading the MWAC and Fresno State between Air Force and New Mexico. While the MWC and its expanded counter part do well at the top the middle is weak. If the leaders have an off year no one is left to pick up the slack.

The danger is a team like Hawaii winning the conference, with embarrassing results.

Top 25 Radar
As a measure of the number of contenders I thought the number of teams in BCS GURU's tracking chart for each conference gives a good measure of how many teams at least show up on the top 25 radar.

SEC: 12/12
BIG 10: 11/11
ACC: 11/12
PAC 10: 9/10
BIIG EAST: 7/8
BIG 12: 9/12
MWAC: 8/12
MWC: 5/9
WAC: 4/8
IND: 2/4
MAC: 5/13
Sun Belt: 2/7

Top 25 teams
Usually two or three conferences dominate the top 25 with 5-6 spots each. This leaves 2-3 spots each for the other BCS conferences, with a usurper or two usually getting a spot. The MWC usually gets one and has gotten up to 3 in the top 25 (2 in the final top 25). 2 teams in the final top 25 would be expected from an expanded MWC, with the top team likely to be in the top 15, even with a single loss. The MWC has averaged 5 bowl eligible teams over the last 4 years and has an excellent bowl record over those years. The MWC, if expanded, is strong enough at the top.

They are consistently very weak in the bottom 4, though the actual teams in those spots vary (except permanent member SDSU).

Conclusion
All this supports the claim that the MWC needs to expand AND improve, especially at the bottom, to be a BCS conference.

Kevin @ Fanblogs · 1 year ago

Even without expansion, a substantially improved MWC could be a potential BCS contender. I don't think there's any question about that whatsoever. It's the timeline - if anything - that is a valid topic of discussion.

Using the gold standard (SEC) as a measuring stick, how many MWC would be favored today over Mississippi State, Sag's lowest rated SEC team? Maybe that's an unfair/biased question, but that's the standard the MWC is going to have to seek.

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

Kev & Ben...

The issue for all conferences outside the BCS is the issuance of the "non-BCS" stigma that hurts them in recruiting...

Teams outside the BCS would have a better chance of leveling the recruiting field thus improving their program by being able to use the promise of an actual chance to play for a NC...

The BCS is doing exactly what it was designed to do...

Keep the money and glory in the pockets of the big boys while dangling a carrot stick in front of the rest...

It's an unfair system from the get go...

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

The top teams in conferences without an automatic bid survive because they can claim they can go to a BCS bowl if they do well and the recognition for those teams that overcome those odds is huge.

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

Pitch to the 5 star recruit:

BCS School: "Come here and we can easily reach a BCS bowl and possibly the BCS CG even with two losses"...

Non-BCS School: "Come here and maybe if we go undefeated and enough people lose we have a slim shot of playing one of the two loss teams in a BCS bowl"...

Which one do you pick, Ben?

Kevin @ Fanblogs · 1 year ago

I don't think your BCS approach resonates the way it used to with recruits, based on the rising relative talent level at non-BCS schools. In my opinion, today's recruits want to know what the school is going to do to help them get to the next level. What kind of set you run and how long until you play are pretty big factors for kids these days.

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

So are you trying to tell me that Terrell Pryor would have happily went to Boise State if he felt that it would help his preparation for the next level?

While also watching the terrific development and immediate impact Troy Smith benefitted from for his preparation "at the next level" also influenced Pryor's decision to attend tOSU?

I'm gonna say no to that...

Pryor wanted to go where he felt he would have the best shot at a BCS title and national exposure...

Kevin @ Fanblogs · 1 year ago

Can we agree that Terrell Pryor is not every recruit? The dude had more games on ESPN than Vandy last year!!

Take a guy like Justin Jungblut - offers at Colorado & Oregon State, but has committed to Boise State.

Mitch Mathews - offers at Oregon, Stanford, Or State, Washington... committed to BYU.

Future NFL guy Wayman James - Offers from Georgia Tech, Nebraska, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech and others... committed to TCU.

Jurell Thompson - another future Horned Frog - offers from Ole Miss, Arkansas, Georgia Tech, Arizona State and so on.

My point is that kids are going to pick schools where they can develop and get attention. There's no point in these 3 & 4 star guys going to the top five schools, because they're going ride the bench for 2-3 years before they get their shot.

Recruiting today is about more than BCS, IMO.

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

Give me one NON -BCS skill guy that has entered the NFL and had the impact that a Tomlinson has had since the 2002 (4 years from the BCS inaugural season) NFL Draft...

Porcine · 1 year ago

Roethlisberger?

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

Maybe the closest thing, Master P...

However...

IMO he hasn't had the impact of a Tomlinson...

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

"My point is that kids are going to pick schools where they can develop and get attention...

And where is the attention? On the BCS...

And where are the best coaches? In the BCS...

Remove the "Non-BCS" stigma and maybe Saban is coaching somewhere other than Bama...

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

Which recruit do you want? The 5 star recruit wanting the entitlement to a big name because of their greatness, or the four star recruit wanting to prove they deserved higher?

The top non BCS teams, who are ranked at some part of every year, have built state of the art training facilities to compete. The also get more work ethic from their players.

They may lack a step in talent, but teamwork, motivation and discipline count for a lot.

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

Rank Team Rating
4 Alabama 91.38
7 Florida 88.43
8 Georgia 87.38
13 Utah 85.24
14 TCU 85.07
21 LSU 79.89
33 BYU 77.82
38 South Carolina 77.04
41 Vanderbilt 76.1
43 Air Force 75.71
45 Mississippi 75.55
48 Kentucky 74.85
61 Tennessee 71.38
71 Auburn 70.06
83 Arkansas 68
85 New Mexico 67.45
88 Colorado State 65.98
90 UNLV 65.84
98 Mississippi State 63.65
135 San Diego State 56.22
145 Wyoming 53.81

I count 7 of 9. Only 4 of 9 for Arkansas, Auburn, Tennessee Kentucky and Mississippi though.

Tommy_Trojan · 1 year ago

You know, with the state of the economy, and everything else goin' on - I thought that the US of A could have probably recovered from all that. Rising gas prices, rising food and utilities, and overinflated housing costs. The highest unemployment rates in years. The crashing of all Banks and Wall Street. The whole rest of the world in decline. Unprecedented Presidential campaigns.

But, as the SEC is declining, I am sure now that Armaggedon is upon us. We could have recovered from most any other thing. But not this. This will certainly have an effect on the American psyche. All hope is lost. There is no way around this now. The end of America, as we have known it, is officially over. There is no hope!

TampaGator · 1 year ago

LMAO!

Now THAT is putting things in perspective! ....big bad Merrill Lynch gets bought up...Bear Sterns goes belly up....AIG needs the a helping hand from Uncle Sam...the ENTIRE mortgage banking system is nationalized in one fell swoop under the guise of a "bailout"...socialism is being entertained as a viable alternative to the American econmic system...the dollar and the stock market free fall, while unemployment and oil prices sky rocket....

...and now we know the catalyst of the collapse of Ameican capitalism as we know it: forget Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac, the war on terrorism, runaway national debts, out of control federal budgets, or the collapse of the credit indusry...

...SEC football jammed up, and that has caused a domino effect on the entire national economic system...genius!

Tommy Trojan for president! ...and Alan Greenspan for SEC* Commish (that's Southeastern Conference, not Securities & Exchange Commision--we can put Mike Slive in charge of that SEC).


GO GATORS!!

Tommy_Trojan · 1 year ago

TG:

Well, I just could not see it any other way. It all makes sense. Times have really changed when Mississippi opens up as a -6 "chalk" over Auburn and Tulsa is a -7 favorite over Arkansas. Something is terribly wrong with the universe.

tidehawk888 · 1 year ago

The last two National Champions were SEC. This year many are suggesting either Florida or Alabama will be playing for the National Championship again. Speaking of 3 in a row, what was the only conference to win 3 National Championships 3 years running? Why of course, the SEC. Let's try this: In 2007 at this time in the year, what did "Sagarin" rate the top conferences as? IN 2006 what did "Sagarin" (by the way, pay no attention to the man behind the door) rate as the top conferences? My guess is the SEC was not at the top of the list at this time in either poll. Bottom line: The SEC rules...Another championship for 2008..and, the second time in history a conference (The SEC by the way) will win back to back to back!

PrinceMarko · 1 year ago

Actually it was the top rated conference in 2007.

Regardless, that was last year and this is this year. Stop living in the past, the SEC is not what it was a year ago, and will be worse off next year when Tebow, Harvin, Stafford, and Moreno leave.

Bama_Babe · 1 year ago

Tebow, Harvin, Stafford and Moreno only affect 2 teams.
Those two teams happen to have a lot more talent waiting to break out.

With young teams on the rise like Alabama and Ole Miss, plus Auburn and Tennessee fixing problems in the spring, the SEC will continue to be strong. LSU is playing with a lot of young player, as is Arkansas. 4 players don't make this conference, Princess.

Clemson_Joe · 1 year ago

Do you really believe that Tennessee, and Auburn are going to fix their problems in the spring? There are decent chances that both will get new coaches, and that will take a few years to get going.

Bama_Babe · 1 year ago

You are right. The way I worded that sounded like I meant they were going to be back to their standards next fall. What I meant was they are going to get thier coaching issues fixed, and then be on the track to rise again.

Clemson_Joe · 1 year ago

Ok. That makes a lot more sense.

PrinceMarko · 1 year ago

Auburn, Tennessee and Arkansas are going to be bad for at least 2-3 years until they get their coaching in order.

Georgia is a 2 year wonder, they'll go back to being bad next year after Moreno and Stafford leave. Florida wont have anything w/o Tebow and Harvin. Alabama will be a force to be reckoned with next year.

Who else you got? Vandy? South Carolina? LSU could maybe be good next year. Other than that, the SEC has peaked last year and now you get your turn to go into a downward spiral for a couple of seasons.

Bama_Babe · 1 year ago

Ok, first of all, Georgia is not a 2 year wonder. Under Mark Richt, Georgia has had 5 seasons with at least 10 wins (this season is his 8th year). That means in the past 7 years, there have only been 2 years where UGA didn't reach 10 wins. One of those was his first season (8 wins) and the other they has 9 wins. "they'll go back to being bad next year..." That is just a stupid statement.

I was not arguing that the SEC is the best conference year in and year out. My point is this : Every year, the SEC has strong teams contending for the National Title. Just because 4 players may or may not be playing at this level next season doesn't mean the SEC will go spiraling downward. You are ignorant if you think so.

"BC" · 1 year ago

Georgia's not going away, and neither is Florida, and neither is Alabama.
LSU has talent, but they have an erratic, mindless coach who is slowly tearing Saban's masterpiece down. so theyll get gradually worse and worse until they hire a new coach. but they have a monopoly in their state.
Auburn will be down for a while, but Alabama stepped up to take their place. Tennessee will also be down for a while, while other teams get even stronger.
The thing is, Florida, Georgia, Alabama, Louisiana, Texas, and California are the best recruiting states in america, and have been for a while.
4 of them are in the SEC.....

but one thing that won't change for a llllong time Marko:
The SEC's best can beat anyone in the country, except maybe USC...

TigerEducated · 1 year ago

F*ck you, BC...$100 on the game...RIGHT NOW...

November 8th...A C-Note, biatch...

DO IT...

OU_Ron · 1 year ago

Was it the erratic part or the mindless coach that did it ??....;-)

"BC" · 1 year ago

haha i'll take that as a "i know it's true, but it gets me in a foul mood to hear an obnoxious alabama fan say it."

i'm not throwing down a "c-note" because i think lsu has a good chance of winning.
and why take a chance of losing a perfect season and a "c-note" all in one day?

TigerEducated · 1 year ago

BC,

Put your money where your mouth is...

$100...I'll FedEx it to Kevin to hold for me...

The only thing you'd take is my address when you overnighted me a check or money order, along with LSU's ballzack in your mouf'....

Do one thing, Gump...Avoid me if you think for an INSTANT I'm going to hear a LICK about my team from the likes of a hypocrite like you...

Don't you have a bus to go throw John Parker Wilson under?

What a great "fan" you are...

I tell you, Bama_Babe...You wonder why I hate 'Bama fans with such a-pardon the pun-"Purple Passion", so to speak?

It's because Ringo Gump here shoots his mouth off...

When you drop the soap in Tiger Stadium, I wonder how soon you'll be back here talking about how our "mindless, erratic" coach once again ran it off in you, and then broke it off at the handle...ONCE AGAIN...

Anytime you're ready to put your money where your mouth is, I will GLADLY take it off your hands, Gump...

"BC" · 1 year ago

i'm not going to wager money, because quite frankly, i use my extra money on alcohol, cigarettes, cover charges, and late-night waffle house.
in other words, i don't have any money to pay you if i lose, and there's about a 40% chance that will happen.

however, i have an offer for you.
if alabama wins, i get to choose the name you post under for November
and vice versa.
deal?

Lennie Collins · 1 year ago

Bleed Crimson...Nicotine kill brain cells. BRAIN CELLS! NICOTINE KILLS BRAIN CELLS! Do you hear me, doggone it! Nicotine kill brain cells! What is wrong with you! If you kick that drug addiction you will have money to wager. Get off that drug call nicotine! Cover charges? Stay out the strip clubs! That's like going to a restraunt and paying to view the food BUT not able to eat it! Bleed Crimson you used to be beautiful...what happen to you man? You let nicotine ruin you!

Tommy_Trojan · 1 year ago

Lennie:

Do you still chew - or are you talkin' out of a tube that protrudes out of your windpipe? Man, you seem to be pretty disturbed about the ol' nicotine? Was that you who was doin' them commercials, where the two dudes are playin' Okie music, and singin' out their windpipes?

Lennie Collins · 1 year ago

Tommy Trojan...you used to be beautiful man and you let a Beavers victory ruin you man! Beavers ruin title hopes ! Title hopes! Oregon State destroy National Title hopes, man!

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

Waffle House...

Best omelets anywhere...

Particularly fond of the Texas Cheesesteak Omelet....

With 'em double scattered, covered and smothered...

Clemson_Joe · 1 year ago

Texas cheesesteak sandwich plate...
hold the onions...
scattered/covered...
with and order of eggs scrambled on the side

That's been my order for years. I (with some friends) actually started a campaign to get a Waffle House built in Clemson when I was in school. We didn't have one, and I was successful. That place is absolutely amazing. It really is phenomenal how well their food goes with a stomach full of beer.

"BC" · 1 year ago

double hashbrowns
covered (cheese), topped (chili), and peppered (jalepenos).

less than $3 and way more than you need.

Bama_Babe · 1 year ago

TE,

I can understand where you're coming from.

Just please don't think all of us Bama fans are the same. (Hopefully, I have been some proof of that..)

And I am talking to everyone when I say that line above.

;)

shiguy · 1 year ago

I will accept that. Hell at least I have heard you on one or two occasions mention that the SEC is not year in and year out the best conference. I will admit they have quality teams, but to say outright every year they are they best conference is ignorant.

The_Observer · 1 year ago

My money is waiting for you to accept the bet. Just let me know.

TigerEducated · 1 year ago

The bet is an attempt to make little BC here shut his yapper...

I proved my point...He's actually afraid of a coach and a team filled with said coach's recruits, yet he refers to the coach as mindless and erratic...

Yet he doesn't stop yapping about him...He's like Paris Hilton's Chihuahua whose stumbled upon her coke stash...all hyped up for no real reason, barking not necessarily for a reason, but just to do it...

I knew he was more interested in taking a shot in my coach than in showing faith in his own team-which is a hallmark of his posting habits here. I merely wanted to point it out and take him down a few notches on the ladder of success he's found his team's moved a few rungs up on.

In other words, I'm not betting you, I only want to bet little B_C...

The_Observer · 1 year ago

C'mon! What do you expect from him? He is a college kid attending the university that he loves! Surely you can remember being on campus everyday, walking to class, the girls, the stadium is always in view, talking to the players, going out to the strip! The atmosphere is electric 24/7 man!

Besides, it's not like he said anything outlandish. Your coach is a bit of an oddball, a good coach deserving of your praises, but an oddball none the less. He wears his hat too high on his head and he has a tendency to call plays that some people might question. Big deal!

I believe I recall you making some much more malicious comments about his coach, but BC's reaction wasn't to drop F-bombs and try to belittle you. He took your shots and kept posting about his team. Grow up TE and stop trying to take bets with college kids.

Now as for myself, I WILL take your bet. Actually, I am calling you out. Take my bet that your team will lose to Alabama on Nov. 8 or how about YOU shut your long winded "yapper".

TampaGator · 1 year ago

Damn son! Come off your perch, and get in the game, why doncha?

Excellent post; agree entirely, especially bout the college kid bit.


GO GATORS!!

TigerEducated · 1 year ago

What does it matter whether he's in college or he's a deckhand on a tugboat?

Please point to the "malicious" things I've said about his coach? Never have I denigrated his intelligence. I have pointed out-time and again-his tendencies and his mindset, gleaned from experience...Nothing more.

I have said-time and again-that I harbor no ill will towards Nick, though I see right through him.

I'm not sure there's an actual job title for "Fanblogs Revisionist Historian" here, Observer...perhaps you might want to work on said powers of Observation...They're failing you these days...

I'm quite comfortable in my own hypocrisy, but in this case, your drummed up allegations aren't even close to accurate...

You can call me out all you like, I have neither the time nor the inclination to get into some bellicose back-and-forth with the likes of you...

I'm interested to know who you root for, though...

NMLSooner · 1 year ago

T_O has a point. You remember what it was like in college. You said yourself that you were there for 7 years!

TigerEducated · 1 year ago

When I was in college, I was writing press releases and interviewing opposing head coaches like Phil Fulmer & Jim Harrick...

I was not allowed to call them mindless, or erratic, though I was once busted on a Rivals site for talking about our former AD Joe Dean in less than glowing terms...

I just realized...I sound like the old man who says, "In MYYYYYY day, we were respectful..."

blackdawg · 1 year ago

You interviewed Jim Harrick? Did you ask him why the hell we needed Tony Cole, or was that before "the ship hit the sand"?

1Tomcat · 1 year ago

TE when you drop the soap in Tiger Stadium-classic

Lennie Collins · 1 year ago

Forget the $100...put some crimson and white trunks on Bleed Crimson and TigerEducated throw on some purple and gold trunks and let's take it to da ring. Bleed Crimson might have to change his name...Bleed is not a name you want to use while steppin' into the ring. Tigereducated sounds like he wants to go to Bleed Crimson's grill!

The_Observer · 1 year ago

I'll take that bet. Just let me know how you want to arrange it.

Wardboy3 · 1 year ago

As far as three in a row I assume you are referring to 1978, 1979, & 1980 when Ala, Ala, & GA where crowned by the AP but you did not take the time to research you statement b/c it happened in 1940, 1941, & 1942 with the AP crowning Minnesota, Minnesota, and Ohio State.

But you can also go back before the AP and see where 1933 Michigan, 1934 Minnesota, and 1935 Minnesota.

But then again you go back even further than that & see where you had the following:
1906: Princeton
1907: Yale
1908: Penn
1909: Yale
1910: Harvard
1911: Princeton
1912: Harvard
1913: Harvard

ROLLTIDE_73 · 1 year ago

How about the last time in our lifetime

Wardboy3 · 1 year ago

That is not what Tidehawk said. He made an incorrect statement when he said: "Speaking of 3 in a row, what was the only conference to win 3 National Championships 3 years running? Why of course, the SEC."
As you should be able to read he said THE ONLY to win 3 in a row. That is a flat out lie. I find that is what some pro-SEC people do on here...they spit out lies to make themselves feel better about their conf. I wouldn't not have had a problem if he just said something like...The LAST conf to do it...do you understand?

"BC" · 1 year ago

haha.
i cannot believe this.
alright whatever. if this country REALLY doesnt want an SEC team to win the NC again, i guess you've got us. we're outnumbered.

the SEC as a whole isn't as strong this year as it was last year.
we got 2 spread coaches, one at auburn, one at arkansas, that came in and destroyed two perfectly good programs. also, Nick Saban's champions/leaders all left LSU. and i couldnt even start to tell you what's going on at Tennessee.

but the top of the conference is still there.
Alabama - this team is just tough. nobody wants to mess with Alabama this year. i mean, people act as though they've been struggling and just hanging on for dear life. They have trailed for just over a minute, the entire year and have only trailed in one game. I haven't been worried about losing once all year, at any time during a game.
Florida - that spread craze that has engulfed college football? well this team has the best spread in the country. this team has the US Track team on its roster. Think Texas, but with better skill guys, much tougher in the trenches, and a much better defense.

Clemson_Joe · 1 year ago

So you've stated a valid case for 2 teams, and basically validated that 4 are down this year. That sounds like you agree that the SEC isn't the toughest conference this season.

TP · 1 year ago

And the ACC is???????????

Clemson_Joe · 1 year ago

No. The Big XII is. Do your reading first please.

JaredIsKing · 1 year ago

That Florida-style SEC spread was awesome against Michigan last bowl season....much more effective than any offense your run-of-the-mill team like App St could have ran.

"BC" · 1 year ago

haha. put down the bottle man.
it's all good though, you just made a simple mistake
in my post, i was referring to THIS year's florida offense. not last year's.

JaredIsKing · 1 year ago

exactly...and it just so happens that this year's SEC is not the powerful SEC of last year; the Big 12 gets to make that claims, but at least the SEC gets honorable mention at #4.

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

The UF offense was effective in that game to the tune of 399 yards of total offense...

It was the UF defense that was ineffective more specifically the secondary...

JaredIsKing · 1 year ago

actually I think Michigan's turnovers helped your offense attain those yards

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

Please explain...

The_Observer · 1 year ago

That makes no sense.

Tommy_Trojan · 1 year ago

Jared:

It only applies to this years offense. The offense from last year, with the Hypesman Trophy winner at the helm, does not count - don't you know? This offense is different than last years version. Last year's version wasn't very good at all. They didn't have any good players like they do this year. They all came this year.

OU_Ron · 1 year ago

Actually Bleed, for the reasons you just mentioned might be the reason why Bama is on top.....

"BC" · 1 year ago

well maybe, maybe not, but it certainly was easier for alabama this year.
i think either way Alabama would've come out on top this year, but i think if we faced last year's teams we might have 1 or 2 losses by the end of the regular season, instead of looking to go undefeated.
don't think that bama is just winning by default.
Alabama improved SIGNIFICANTLY from last year to this year.

BOTTOM LINE:
This is just a down year in college football. no conference, and no team looks really dominant.
i think the Big XII is better top-to-bottom this year than the SEC, but i think the top of the SEC is stronger than the top of the Big XII.
I think Alabama/Florida/Georgia/ could beat any combination of Texas/Oklahoma State/Texas Tech
so i'll put it like this:
T1 Big XII
T1 SEC
3. Pac 10
4. ACC
5. Big Ten
6. Big East

Lennie Collins · 1 year ago

That's your opinion BUT that is gone change in the next two weeks! The Big 12 has 4 teams in the top 10 and the SEC has 3. I got you on that. A fourth of the Big 12 and and a third of the SEC. If this were money the SEC wins but this is teams...Big 12 has mo'!

1Tomcat · 1 year ago

BC I totally disagree that this is not a down year for CFB- the teams are more evenly matched and tougher than in past years- 08 is and outstanding year for CFB and just looking at say the top 15 or so, just about anybody can beat anybody- shows it to be better as a whole. I would like to see that all confences have the same amount of teams and a CCG game, because the Pac-10 BE and B10/11 have it easyier than the SEC,B-12 and ACC in that regard.
Hookem Tide
Roll Horns

"BC" · 1 year ago

we seem to disagree on a lot.
probably because due to our team's success, our homerism is through the roof.
but think about it.
the sec, big ten, acc, big east, and pac 10 all went down a notch from last year.
the big xii obviously went up a notch.
and about the CCG. only in a perfect world man....
the pac 10 would pick up boise state and utah, the big eleven would pick up notre dame, and both add a championship game.
then each conference champ would enter a playoff for the NC.

only in a perfect world....

1Tomcat · 1 year ago

Wow your right BC Fla has alot better defense, Better skill guys and tougher in the trenches-but they couldnt stop that Ole Miss offense' the mighty offense that lost to Vanderbilt that lost to Duke

"BC" · 1 year ago

Tomcat plllllease stop using that f****** transitive property.
that's the most ridiculous statement i've ever heard.

Florida ABSOLUTELY has a better defense than any team in the Big XII.
you're such a homer.
you really think that Big XII teams would be running up the score against SEC defenses?
absolutely not. there is no defense in the Big XII. you'll find that out come bowl season, where every year, Texas Tech gains about 300 yds less than their season average.

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

"Tomcat plllllease stop using that f****** transitive property.
that's the most ridiculous statement i've ever heard."

Good idea. You should stop using it, too.

"BC" · 1 year ago

Tom Tom Tom.....
don't get mad at me because i use it against the Big Ten.
how else can i explain to you what everyone else knows?
that is, the Big Ten doesn't have as much talent as everywhere else.
for whatever reason, the sunshine states just produce more talent. and have for a while.
i mean, it should tell you something when OSU sucks up the best players in the region every year, and they can't compete with either Florida or LSU.

stay in denial all you want, and the tables may turn eventually, but when the high schools aren't producing in your area, that's not something that just changes overnight, or over 1 offseason.

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

"don't get mad at me because i use it against the Big Ten."

Quite the contrary. I'm laughing at you for alternately using, then lambasting, this goofy logic you use whenever it suits you. How about you start using facts to make your points? Has that ever occurred to you?

"how else can i explain to you what everyone else knows?
that is, the Big Ten doesn't have as much talent as everywhere else."

So, in addition to your lack of math and logic skills, you also have a reading comprehension problem. Not surprising. Once again, I've said in our conversations before and in other threads that I think the Big 10 (11) has been down the last couple of years. This Sagarin ranking surprised me.

Let me explain something else to you. Ohio State has won 4 BCS bowl games. One of which was a National Title Game. Alabama hasn't won any. I see you chose to completely ignore that inconvenient fact in our earlier conversation.

"stay in denial all you want"

Pot, meet Kettle.

thebuckstopshere · 1 year ago

BC, I think you’re confused if you think there's a lack of talent playing in the Big10. First off even if the "area high schools" are lacking southern talent where there's something in the water that makes kids run faster, what's preventing us from recruiting down south? Oh that's right nothing, that's why Ohio St. was able to waltz into Florida and recruit the number one ranked offensive lineman in the state, Brewster. Oh and speaking of number one ranked linemen don't forget the best in the nation coming out of high school, Mike Adams. By the way that high school was in you guessed it Ohio. Shoot Ohio St. alone landed 3 of the top 20 OL, the other being Shugarts out of Texas. So your argument that the Big Ten is below average, because the high school football around here is sub-par doesn't hold water, because even if that were the case (it's not the case) we simply could go raid your fertile recruiting grounds. Tressel has done it, the Zooker can do it, I don't think RickRod will have any trouble at all.

So your statement about OSU not being able to compete with Florida or LSU has nothing to do with lack of talent, just look at some starting rosters in the NFL trust me the talent was there. I have my own reasoning on what happened the last two years and it has everything to do with coaching and game planning, but I'm sure you're not interested in that.

You said maybe someday the tables will turn, well I hope not because Ohio St. is stacked with talent they got the best of the best last year and are leading the recruiting class this year last I checked. Now where Ohio St. has their problem is utilizing that talent.

Do you know what I find interesting though? All the good coaches from up north.

"BC" · 1 year ago

"Do you know what i find interesting thought? All the good coaches from up north."

are from up north?
or are in the north?

if they're all from up north, then they all moved down south. now i find that interesting.
if they're all in the north, then i guess Nick Saban and Pete Carrol are on recruiting trips...

but either way you're wrong......

thebuckstopshere · 1 year ago

How do you get what I said confused? It's in plain English, I said from up north. Like one coach you mentioned, Saban started his career in Toledo before going to Michigan State. Even Carrol coached at Ohio St. for a short tenure. I'm not saying all coaches but there's a reason they call the MAC the "cradle of coaches"

So explain to me again how I'm wrong or do you just insist on talking out of your ass? Nice to know you keep up on the origins of your own coach.

Funny how you ignore every other part of my previous post also, come on give me a mindless rant.

Lennie Collins · 1 year ago

Let Bleed Crimson make it...he is on nicotine and it kills brain cells!

TampaGator · 1 year ago

Funny how you conveniently side stepped his question--are you from up north, or are you up north?

I'm guess'n you're posting from comfortably south of the M-D line...about the virtues of the great white north!

I grew up listenting that sh*t all my life, and you can't help but wonder everytime you hear it...if it's so great up fk'n north, WTF are you doing down here?????


GO GATORS!!

thebuckstopshere · 1 year ago

Funny how I side stepped the question? Funny how you didn't comprehend and or totally misinterpreted the question. Take my advice slow down when you read these post or at least close out the porn maybe then I wouldn't have to waste time spoon feeding you the information all over again. But here it goes anyhow...

At the end of my post which BC chose to ignore except for the last tidbit, I stated the following. "Do you know what I find interesting though? All the good coaches from up north.

And then BC responded by quoting me and then asking the following. "From up north or are in the north?" Then he goes on to use his own coach to unknowingly bolster my argument.

So I ask you, how did you interpret the before mentioned as him asking me if I was from up north? Don't worry though you're not alone in your reading comprehension deficiencies. I'm going to help BC comprehend some things also, so then maybe we can have a real discussion.

By the way I never stated the north is better than the south. I mean that's a real stretch to come to that conclusion from what was said. But maybe that's your thing, if you can't think of a good rebuttal for a position in which you disagree, you just change the position all together and then start your rant. Clever.

TampaGator · 1 year ago

Buckstops:

Yes, I mis-read BC's post. I was going to edit when I ralized it, but the edit feature was disabled (no lie). I thought about a corrective post, but instead elected to just leave the ball on the tee for you to have your fun knock'n it out of the park....

...so what to you do? You accuse me of viewing PORN...then, you go and accuse BC of viewing GAY PORN--with no basis for either allegation.

Which leads to one simple conclusion: YOU have PORN (and probably GAY PORN) on YOUR polluted mind.

You could've gone so many different ways with that, and that's where your perverted mind takes you?

Douchebag.


GO GATORS!!

thebuckstopshere · 1 year ago

Once again your lack of reading skills haven't let you down. I didn't ACCUSE anyone of looking at porn. Stop manipulating what was said to suit your response. I know its difficult when what I say is so irrefutable, but that doesn't premise you to make things up. I ASUMED you were viewing porn because it seemed like a logical reason for you being distracted and totally misinterpreting what was said. Doesn't seem like such a farfetched thing to me. And then with BC I stated twice it was merely a hypothetical example, but I guess you missed that. I had the porn theme in my head because like I said it was the only thing that I thought could be distracting you while you were blogging. And so I ran with it, but your right about one thing I am perverted. Why don't you come on by (you already looked up my location) and I can so just how perverted I really am.

Douchbag?

You pretty much proved you can't respond to any of my legit arguments and this is just going to resort in a back and forth name calling, insulting, and degrading dialog. So no need to respond I'll admit it. I'm a big homo who loves the porn.

1Tomcat · 1 year ago

You know BC Its true alot of good coaches are from upnorth this is especially true if you live in South Texas, because everything is up north, with the exception of former Longhorn player Tom Landry who went on to win SuperBowls coaching for the Cowboys- He is from the Texas-Mexico border-cant get any further south.
Hookem-Horns

"BC" · 1 year ago

first off, he said ALL good coaches were from the north.
not true.
and if most of the good coaches are from the north, my point is, why did they move down south??.....
talent perhaps?
better competition?
more money?
better climate?
the list goes on

1Tomcat · 1 year ago

Hey BC I know were you were going, but given my geographical location, most everybody is from up north from my perspective-it was a joke
Read my post below
Hookem-Horns
BTW I find your post most entertaining
Roll Horns
Hookem-Tide

thebuckstopshere · 1 year ago

First off I didn't say ALL good coaches are from up north. I said that I find interesting all the good coaches from up north. Again slow down and read it again I know It's a tricky one. Maybe an example would help.
Let's say your girlfriend (this is an assumption on my part but it's hypothetical anyways) logs on to your PC. And lets say you forgot to clear the history and she stumbles across some gay porn you've been working in on the side. She might say "What the hell is ALL the gay porn doing on here BC?"

Now do you think she meant all the gay porn on the internet was on your PC? NO, of course not she just meant there was a ridiculous amount and that she always had a hunch you where a little fruity. Remember this is just a hypothetical example so don't go admitting anything, your secret is still safe.

Now if you want to argue about where all the good coaches end up and why, we can do that. But lets try to keep straight what I say first so I'm not repeating myself so much.

TampaGator · 1 year ago

Let me answer that question for you; he's FROM up north. Open up his disqus profie--he's posting from right here in the sunshine state: Ponte Vedra, FLORIDA...

...along with PRINCESS MARKO, posting from TAMPA....

...about how great the great white north is....

...LMAO!!!


GO GATORS!!

1Tomcat · 1 year ago

We agree TG if its so great in Buffalo WTF you doing in Waelder Texas ?

TampaGator · 1 year ago

Yep...we've been through this before.

They come down here (FL), Texas, Cali, etc., wear their Buckeye/Michigan/Wisc'y gear, spittle in your face about how great those schools are, how the coaches are all from up north, FB was invented up north, and how everything is better up north...

...as they bask in the sunshine of their new found homes.

The joke is on them though; their kids become Gators, and Canes, and 'noles, and 'horns, and Trojans....

...b/c their kids ain't as stupid as they thought they'd be.

Kid to Dad: "...if Michigan/Ohio...is so great, why are we here?..."

Dad: "...ah, dah, uh, duh...."

Kid: "...gotcha'. Go Gators.../hook'm horns/fight on!"


GO GATORS!!

Porcine · 1 year ago

Dad: "...ah, dah, uh, duh...."

I don't love you, you don't love me. . .

OU_Fan · 1 year ago

Dude, 1st of all your team lost to the University of Louisiana at Monroe last year. 2nd, Florida lost to a team in the Swamp that is currently unranked. Sorry.....
OU vs Bama...2-1-1 OU!
BOOMER!

1Tomcat · 1 year ago

I really dont understand what you are talking about, because in my previous post I merely stated facts. Reread my post, its purty straight forward and I was in agreement- your post however is merely based on your own personal bias and unproved projections- Saying stuff like Fla has a better defense than any team in the B-12 is not proven- one thing that is, is the fact that that mighty D didnt stop Ole Miss and their outstanding offensive attack- sound kinda funny to me.
Do you really think that Ole Miss or Vandy would have a winning record in the B-12 because of their outstanding defense?? I really dont know, because they havent played in the B-12, but I dont think they would have a winning season like they do playing in the SEC. Dont get me wrong I really respect the SEC, but some of your post are just plum silly. I really dont care who's who are whats what, because I didnt go to A&M.
You said I'm a homer?-Do what? My post was not ridiculous- yours was

Wardboy3 · 1 year ago

Do you really mean "SEC" defenses or do you mean 'CERTAIN" teams defenses who happen to play in the SEC. B/c if I remember correctly I think TX did run up the score on a SEC defense.

Porcine · 1 year ago

That defense is in last place in the conference and half of the starters were freshman.

Wardboy3 · 1 year ago

Please name the plyers on Fla who are on the US Track team.

Porcine · 1 year ago

Nutt is not a spread coach.

Bama_Babe · 1 year ago

Gentlemen, Gentlemen, Gentlemen...

Call me crazy - but why don't we ALL wait until the rest of the season pans out and THEN see how the final conference standings are.
Because in the end, doesn't it come down to who can beat who in the bowl games? Head-to-head. Not stat-to-stat. Conference A vs. Conference B. Not # of ranked teams vs. # of poor teams.

Call me crazy, but I have a feeling many of you (no matter which conference you are representing) are going to be eating these statements like cereal come bowl season.

;)

TigerEducated · 1 year ago

[Glancing around, wondering when Gentlemen started posting on Fanblogs]

Bama_Babe · 1 year ago

hahaha.

I like to think most of yall are, or have the potential, to be gentlemen. I'm a glass is half full kinda girl though.... ;)

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

It depends on whats in the glass...

I found an interesting Greek recipe for Hemlock Tea, attributed to Socrates.

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 1 year ago

"I drank WHAT?"

blackdawg · 1 year ago

My glass is full then empty, full then empty, etc. I can't ponder on a half full glass. Now whether the cooler is half full or half empty, that has been a point of aggravation at times.

TampaGator · 1 year ago

Silly girl...let them feed...let them feast, like a turkey before thanksgiving!

We'll have our day, as we always do, AFTER the annual reckoning known as the bowls.


GO GATORS!!

Tommy_Trojan · 1 year ago

Bama_Babe:

Now this is where you might be mistaken. "But I have a feeling many of you (no matter which conference you are representing) are going to be eating these statements like cereal come bowl season".

This is Fanblogs - where only the strong survive. Most folks on here follow some pretty good teams. Most of their favorite teams will win their bowl games. The great argument is festering over what Bowl Game, who should play in it, and who even deserves to play in it. That is the debate. Right now your in the "hot seat". Your in a bad spot. While most on here are gonna go easy on ya', as they see you as green, I am not gonna cut any slack. I can clearly see that you do seem to know your game. So, don't mind me, as I continue my onslaught against an overrated Alabama team. And, you got to be very careful, about statements like the one above. Should Alabama somehow get smoked in a bowl game - those words can come back to haunt you. Hey, what am I talkin' about? Nobody will ever beat the Trojans again - in a BCS bowl game. That day came and went.

Bama_Babe · 1 year ago

Tommy,

In saying that statement, I was not hinting at the fact that Bama would win it all. I was talking about everyone on here - and the fact that what WE ALL say could come back to haunt us. Meaning, there's still much football to be played, games to be won, games to be lost, polls to be changed, controversy to happen.

I was taking my own advice with that statement - as obviously I didn't predict Bama's future. ;)

R0LLTIDE976 · 1 year ago

I have to agree with the SEC not being very good this year. The way I see it, the Big 12 rules the roost hands down. I just dont see how the SEC is only ranked forth. There is know way you will get me to believe the Big 10 and ACC would come close to matching up with the SEC.

JB · 1 year ago

IN all honesty the SEC is the 2nd best confernce IMHO. The big 12 is obviously the best for now. But in reality, why do we argue about who the best confernce is.??? Just like strength of schedule , the strength of the confernce cannot be told until after the season, so lets stop the debate about who is the best confernce.

And you have to watch these " gentlemen" BB, they can get a bit riled up sometimes

TigerEducated · 1 year ago

51.5 ppg against Top 10 competition will tend to rile folks up...especially when your head coach is on the post-game show and says, "We played better in the 2nd half"...

Yeah, right...

JB · 1 year ago

I know...i yelled the whole way home ( i had to drive from BR to Alex after the game) but the facts are Doug Mallory and Bradley Dale Peveto need to be fired and we need to find a defensive coordinator who can work with the secondary. I someone needs to get Jarratt Lee a shock collar and when he stares down a receiver in practice zap him with it

TigerEducated · 1 year ago

Peveto is not the issue, JB...He hasn't called a single play this year.

That designation of Co-Coordinator was to keep him here. Pelini offered him the DC/Asst. HC job at Nebraska, & AU & Arky also offered him their DC jobs at one point or another...

But, make no mistake...This is Mallory's show...We have a guy on our board...He's from Seattle and went to LSU...He flew back Sunday and sat next to Verne Lundquist on the way back West...Had some VERY interesting insight into how they answered questions in the CBS interviews on Friday...

I have also heard that some players are no longer buying in...at all...

Miles needs to make a change, YESTERDAY. We had an offense that was capable of contending for the SEC this year...but, our decision to go with co-DC's has cost us dearly...

I've said it before...Mallory has NO coordination experience, and Peveto has 4 prior stops along the way where he's set records for sacks and takeaways...Peveto isn't calling the plays, and Mallory is...

Think that has anything to do with the fact that Mallory lettered for Michigan from '84-'87?

GARBAGE...

JB · 1 year ago

Oh i didnt know any of that, thanks for the info

Hotty_Toddy · 1 year ago

Hmm, this guy's off his rocker.

Big 12 is obviously the strongest conference this year, but I don't think the Big 10 is as strong top to bottom as the SEC is. We're at best the #2 strongest this year, even in the midst of power swings.

JaredIsKing · 1 year ago

correct...at best #2, but on average #4...just as saragin illustrated above

1Tomcat · 1 year ago

Say man glad yall beat the Hogs

Porcine · 1 year ago

Somebody should buy that line judge an Escalade.

1Tomcat · 1 year ago

I agree- Heck B-12 and SEC are the top two IMHO
course yall got us beat far as fanantic-fans and conference-loyalty like no other including those MWC fans-Ben excluded

U.of S.C.1978 · 1 year ago

Yada, yada, yada. That crap reminds me of a pre-season poll. It's not worth the electrons it is printed upon. Like a pre-season poll is quickly proved wrong by the season. This guy will quickly be proved wrong by the bowl season.

PrinceMarko · 1 year ago

Like I've been saying for months... the SEC is over-rated. Throw out Florida, Bama and Georgia and the rest of the SEC is mediocre at best.

The Big 12 is by far the best conference with the Big 10 a distant 2nd.

Porcine · 1 year ago

Holy Toledo!

PrinceMarko · 1 year ago

I'm assuming you are referring to Michigan losing to Toledo. Yes, we lost to them but we lost every starter on offense last year and have a new coach and offensive system. It will take 2-3 years before Michigan is a contender again.

We'll see how Florida does with Tebow, Harvin and Company leaving next year.

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

Never mind him. Michigan will be back.

TampaGator · 1 year ago

"...cats & dogs, sleep'n together...total chaos!"

Buckeyes & wolverines, get'n each others' backs...the end of days must surely be upon us...


GO GATORS!!

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

Our teams don't play each other this week. Until that week, and after that week, I'll have his back.

Porcine · 1 year ago

Shouldn't that be . . . mass hysteria?

TampaGator · 1 year ago

Right you are (I stand corrected):

Dr. Peter Venkman: This city is headed for a disaster of biblical proportions.
Mayor: What do you mean, "biblical"?
Dr Ray Stantz: What he means is Old Testament, Mr. Mayor, real wrath of God type stuff.
Dr. Peter Venkman: Exactly.
Dr Ray Stantz: Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling!
Dr. Egon Spengler: Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes...
Winston Zeddemore: The dead rising from the grave!
Dr. Peter Venkman: Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!

1Tomcat · 1 year ago

Good post TG I totally agree, but you dont see any Dawgs & Gators getting each others back- or Horns & Sooners
Hookem-Horns

1Tomcat · 1 year ago

excuses excuses They should build a statue to Carr on campus

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

And so what was the excuse for having such a poor showing WITH all those guys last season?

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

Pfft.

1Tomcat · 1 year ago

That was a good one Porky

Porcine · 1 year ago

I try.

RazzMaTazz · 1 year ago

I'm shocked to see that anyone on Fanblogs would bother to comment about conference strength. SHOCKED! I just don't know you people anymore.

PrinceMarko · 1 year ago

Its awesome to see the SEC fans get pummeled by the computer rankings.

TigerEducated · 1 year ago

Especially when your team is getting pummeled by doormats, WEEKLY...

Real awesome!

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 1 year ago

Ouch!

Not that Auburn should be talking...

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

Dude...you keep stepping in it. You're making it tough on me to keep getting your back!

TP · 1 year ago

I think all the conferences that don't have a conference championship should go get one and not come back here until they do, first of all. And anyone who knows anything about college football - and can swallow their pride - knows that the SEC and Big-12 are hands down the top two conferences. Other conferences have their good 1 or 2 teams but other than that.....well thats it. The Big-12 has one more top ten team than the SEC right now, but I credit that to the fact that they start conference play a week later than the SEC.

Wardboy3 · 1 year ago

Why should ALL conf get a conf championship when 50% of the current BCS conf DO NOT have one? The PAC-10 plays everybody in their conf so they have a TRUE champ. The BIG EAST plays everbody in their conf so they have a TRUE champ. The BIG 10 plays 8 (80%). The SEC plays 8 in their own conf.(73%)

Gatorader · 1 year ago

I don't really care what a computer thinks of the SEC. If the SEC champ doesn't go to the NC game, then there will be more controversy this year (especially if it is Alabama.)

It is laughable that the big ten is ahead though! I bet Vandy could have won more than 5 games this year if they were a big ten team!

NMLSooner · 1 year ago

If you are saying the 8 teams would have a playoff, I could agree with that. I think it should be 16, but it's a start. If you are just saying this is how we choose the NC GAME, I personally, think it stinks! Skill is subjective. I'm guessing in the Bob Stoops era at OU the 2000 NC team would be near the bottom of a skill poll if you measured it against the other OU teams in the Stoops era. Results are what matter. The most skilled teams should not win the NC. The best team, who wins it on the field should be champion. I imagine if it was 2 parts skill that decided the NC in 2000, Miami would have played Florida State.

GA_Boy · 1 year ago

Every time I get out, they keep pulling me back in...I will not comment on the Conference thing but Prince Marko--you are have proven to be a second rate college football fan at best. To think that Georgia is a 2 year wonder is laughable. If I didn't hate the Gators so much, I would still be pissed that they let your punk a$$es beat them last year.

GO DAWGS!!

USC1801 · 1 year ago

SEC: 1.138
Big 12: 1.127
ACC: 0.804
Big 10: 0.776

Ben - Would you say the above is a more realistic analysis of where we'll end up at the end of the season?

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

Not in Sagarin, but for the mean z-score of the 6 BCS computers, yes. I think most of the cross conference data is in and the conference games will only shuffle the teams in the conference and not move the conference mean.

The only significant change will be due to the Bowl games, though the SEC may pass the ACC in Sagarin's ranking with Georgia-GT and Florida-FSU ahead.

My personal perception is:

Big 12
SEC
ACC
Big 10
MWC
Big East
PAC 10
C-USA
WAC
MAC
Sun Belt

USC1801 · 1 year ago

Wouldn't other less important (to some) games between conferences make a difference?  For instance, South Carolina (SEC) plays Clemson (ACC) at the end of the season.  Would this game have an impact on the conference mean?  I'm curious, and obviously do not fully understand how the different data is evaluated.

Clemson_Joe · 1 year ago

I agree with you almost 100%. I'd put the MAC over the WAC though, but I guess it doesn't really matter who the real 9th best conference is.

GotliebTX · 1 year ago

College Win Factor offers a better assessment of the SEC and their performance so far this year. Based strictly on wins over other FBS opponents so far, CWF has the Big 12 first, Big 10 second, and the SEC a tight third. The SEC has been gaining on the Big 10 every week and will probably be a strong second by the time the bowl season arrives. This is mostly due to the SEC playing more games down into Div 1 FCS in the early weeks of the season(these games don't count at CWF).

I agree with the comment that the NCG should be between the winner of the Big 12 and the winner of the SEC. They are definitely the toughest conferences in the FBS this year.

Brett Collins · 1 year ago

Am I the only person who sees the differences between confrences? It is obviously the coaching in confrences. The SEC coaches are heads and shoulders above anyone else in the country. That is why any team can lose on any day. If the coaches weren't so good the top teams would not suffer upsets to the lower teams. There is no argument in coach strength between confrences.

Florida=fastest team in America if anyone begs to differ PLEASE give me an argument

OU_Fan · 1 year ago

What do you mean by the fastest team in America? Do you mean that they have a "couple" of players with the fastest run times in college football, including all divisions and JUCO's, or are you saying that if you took the average run time of their team that it would be faster than every other team in America? And in the sport of football, no matter what conference, any team can lose any day. And any team losing any day not only happens in the SEC bud, it also happens in the Big 12, Pac-10, Big 11, ACC, Big East, etc..........

BOOMER SOONER!

AUtigerman · 1 year ago

Ill admit the SEC is down this year but no way is it below the Big 10.

And the Pac 1 (i meant to do that)is too high.

PrinceMarko · 1 year ago

The computer ratings are heavily dependent on the middle of the conferences. The SEC has nothing besides Georgia, Florida and Alabama. Vandy lost to Duke, Auburn is terrible, S. Carolina squeaks out wins vs Wofford??

The SEC was over-rated coming into this year, and its showing.

The Big Ten has a better middle part of the conference. Michigan State, Northwestern, MInnesota are all solid teams this year.

loutx · 1 year ago

The Big 10 a better than the SEC. Sure they are Sagass. And obama never smoked crack or dealt pot, and Bill Clinton never cheated on his fat ass yankee wife according to your screwed up computer.

It is bad enough that I have to put up with 3 idiot college coaches voting Penn State number 1 this week. Now the freaking BCS computers are totally screwed up.

What next? President Obama!!! God this country is going to hell thank to you yankees.

The real national title game in college football will be this weekend between Texas and Texas Tech. Not 2 months from now.

Tommy_Trojan · 1 year ago

lout:

Thank God you guys lost the war. I can't imagine what would have happened had we not invaded Normandie. Why don't you just move on up to Idaho and enlist with one of them thar militia's? You don't need to be on any football blog. You need to be runnin' around out in the woods tryin' to save America from the "boogey-man". Better yet maybe you'll run into "Big Foot", pop a couple caps and bag him, and be able to mount his head over your fireplace. Crawl back under your rock, farmer!

Tommy_Trojan · 1 year ago

lout:

And don't get me goin' on that "yankee" dope-dealin' mother fughin' President that you Texan's stuck in "our" White House. I am whiter than any "Geisha Girl's" azz - and I will tear you apart, boy! I have personally seen with my own eyes, black men blown apart, for the very dirt that you are standing on. It's azzholes like you that have made this once great country what it is today. BTW, buttsuck, it ain't no "black man" that is responsible for anything going wrong in this country. Those policies are enacted by morons, just like you, who are too feeble and uneducated to ever really understand what is really going on in this country. It's called "extreme greed". It's created by your moronic idealogy. Someday, all of your land will be taken away from you, by the very people that you are electing to do it. Did your daddy tell you that? I didn't think that he'd ever be smart enough to understand that. It's only been going on from the beginning of time. Maybe you should have went to school past the 3rd grade. Too bad that your daddy had to stick you out on a tractor in the lower forty. You might have been able to make a difference had you ever received an education.

Clemson_Joe · 1 year ago

Chill out man. No need to get all political. You kinda pissed me off a bit with that. It's just a troll taking a jab. I personally don't think it's necessary to go off like that. If you must, take one quick one back at him and leave it be. He obviously doesn't know what he's talking about since he just blindly hates Penn State even though they've clearly fielded a good, competitive squad this season.

By the way, he didn't bring up race; you did.

Tommy_Trojan · 1 year ago

Clemson_Joe:

Didn't mean to piss you off. There has been several stupid azz blogs by this guy runnin' down "yankees". Obama smokes crack and deals dope. On and on and on. Joe, I live in a 3rd world country here in Los Angeles. After the Miami connection was closed down (and the Columbian's had to give a cut to Mexico), and NAFTA was created, those dead bodies being piled up in Juarez and Tijauna don't have much to do with lettuce and tomatoes. Fact is, Joe, I ain't even no "Yankee". In fact, I absolutely do not like "yankees". But, this guy is a clown. He doesn't even understand who the "enemy" is. He made all the "political" statements about Obama and Clinton's wife. He's just a dumbazz peckerwood who don't know sheeit from shinola. Sorry if that has to offend you. But, Joe, I do know who our common enemy is - and it's anybody who calls themselves a "politician". They all ought to be tried for treason. Sorry if that offends anyone. They are all very lucky that I am not in charge - that's all I can say.

ROLLTIDE_73 · 1 year ago

Well like Washington said the political parties will be the downfall of our country.They are for the party not the people.Now enough politics back to football

1Tomcat · 1 year ago

I totally agree, Tommie-T ought to chill a little- its not good to generalize folks- back to football
One thing that guy said is true
Texas @ Texas Tech is the probably bigger than any other game
Its like a Championship game every week for Longhorn fans
Two top ten undefeated teams- the winner could represent the B-12 south to face the B-12 north winner again

Clemson_Joe · 1 year ago

Ok. You're fine. I agree about politicians.

I just don't like it when folks propagate generalizations about southerners, but I guess they are there because of certain people like this.

1Tomcat · 1 year ago

Thanks Joe- good post

1Tomcat · 1 year ago

Hey Tommie T Dont say you Texans because I believe that ole GW is from Maine and went to Yale- He just purchased some property near Waco just like Ted Nugent- from Mich- these guys don't represent me. These guys are just transplants
Kinda like ole Arnold aint really from Cali either and doesn't really represent everybody from Cali either, but he did have to buy a pair of boots for Rick Perry-Texas A&M
Hookem-Horns

Tommy_Trojan · 1 year ago

Tomcat:

Of course he's a "yankee" just like Arnold is. I think that I put that in the post. They're all "yankees". They were all "educated" at Harvard. That is why everything is such a mess. Now, it does seem as if we still have people, who are oblivious to anything being wrong. These "educated yankees" have completely bankrupted the country. What they all really are is "criminals". I'd try each and every one of them for "high treason", along with the CEO's and lobbyist' of any Corporation, that ever offered any politician a bribe. After the trial was over, I'd offer them up to the "convicts" in every State Pen in America, to decide what to do with them all. The Judges in this country are not fit to decide anything - and they'd be on trial anyway. So, the point is, is that it isn't any "one person" who is responsible for anything going wrong. There are just a few - and they hold most of the money that is in the world.

TampaGator · 1 year ago

Well done there, Don Quijote. That windmill was threatening the very integrity of Fanblogs...good thing we have you, our knight in trojan armour to fend it off...

b/t/w: where's Sancho Panza?


GO GATORS!!

Bama_DevilDog · 1 year ago

In this last post you ran down southerner, farmers, and this country. By saying, that this country was once great is a slap in the face to everyone that defends it. I know the other guy is an idiot but, saying that; if your daddy sticks you on a tractor that your uneducated and a moron is social injustices at it's finest.

1Tomcat · 1 year ago

Thanks Bama-Devildog I happen to own a tractor and I feed animals
7 days without Beef makes one weak
God Bless our Troops
Hookem-Tide
Roll Horns

U.of S.C.1978 · 1 year ago

I wanted to submit Rivals.com, and their list of schools by recruiting class strength. i wanted to make the case that SEC schools do very well in the top twenty. I wanted to further my case by pointing out that any coach with a lot of top recruits, is probably going to be OK. Sorry guys, some homer at Rivals has decided to change the website. I cannot even find that list now.

U.of S.C.1978 · 1 year ago

I just want to clarify history here, It was not a civil war. The south was attacked by the north, we still refer to it as the "war of northern aggression " here. Some students at the Citadel fired the "shot heard round the world".California, was irrelevant, and still is to most of us.
A retraction here, Rivals is back up to snuff, and my own ignorance, might be at fault.

TSOBO · 1 year ago

Sagarin's methodology has been refuted once before.....he cooks the books like a Meocrat executive of a corporation....