Croom, Brooks and Nutt will need a raise in order to buy Saban a cigar........
dennymn
· 1 year ago
How is it possible for the SEC to lower its academic standards? Are you kidding me? Aren't you getting into negative numbers?
TigerEducated
· 1 year ago
Don't you have a Grand Slam to sling some hash for?
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
I have a problem with Sabans statement that these athlets could not qualify for Florida State academically, I mean I live in NW Florida, and I have seen the requiremments there...
If this were the PAC 10 making these changes that might be interesting. While a number of schools excell academically, no one really argues the SEC is a mighty academic conference.
I don't see the commisioner saing no to anyone, unless a media rucuss is raised forcing his hand in the matter.
jake
· 1 year ago
Hi to everyone. I'm a first time blogger on this site but have been reading posts for a while.
Ahh Nick Saban - master of illusion. Sure, Saban picks on South Florida for sweeping up the scraps of the State of Florida (in the shadow of 3 football powerhouses). However, Saban's program boasts the 9th worst graduation rate in the NCAA (2007). In fact, Alabama in general has one of the worst differences in graduation rates between football players (44%) and all students (62%). Many other athletic departments around the SEC should stay silent at this time. The SEC has 3 schools (most of all conferences) with athlete graduation rates under 50% (Alabama, LSU, Georgia)! Somehow, Florida can pull a 92% graduation rate among its athletes AND win championships! So honestly Nick Saban, get off your high horse. Yes, Jim Leavitt may be building a program with idiot rejects when they enter, but at least more of them are graduating. Unfortunately for Saban, he gets paid quite more than Leavitt and, therefore, is expected to recruit players with brains and athletic talent. (http://stanford.scout.com/2/618619.html)
TampaGator
· 1 year ago
Welcome aboard...
...and thank you kindly for making note of UF's respectable graduation rate (kinda' comes off as braggadocio when we boast of it ourselves).
GO GATORS!!
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
Florida is one of the SEC academis powerhouses. And they win at sports.
Maybe having smart athletes is an advantage on the field.
Zac
· 1 year ago
Ah, a fellow Big East'r. Velcom, I'm count Zacula. I wazn't awarrrr(wolf) dat Marrrquette had a fuuuutball team, m'lah.
Hey, look, guys, he's still around. I didn't scare him away.
Good stuff, gomarquette. I'd heard (believe it or not) from other than FL sources that FL athletes had a decent graduation rate, not to mention the school had respectable academic standards. What surprises me is not AL or GA, but LSU. I honestly thought they would be better than that.
So, tell me. Does Marquette have a football team?
jake
· 1 year ago
Which school from the Big East are you representing?
Unfortunately, no, Marquette does not have a football team. It has not had one since 1978. I am a huge college football fan, but I think it is best to left to the big boys. We've all seen what happens to small schools that try to compete in D1 football (except Wake Forest recently). We do have a club team and many have suggested developing it into a Varsity team. It would be foolish to do so since our club team is pitiful and Marquette simply does not have the funds.
By the way, everyone should read today's ESPN piece about MU's new coach, Buzz Williams. http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?col... It provides a good example of an AD going hiring the best coach for the program and not necessarily the big name coach as many ADs tend to do.
Zac
· 1 year ago
I didn't think Marquette had a team, but I wasn't sure. In the words of another famous guinzo, their BB team was "awesome baby"; whole lotta talent.
I attended WVU. Having been born and raised in up-state NY, it's a long story as to how I became a Mountaineer. Proud to be one, though. I even married a girl from there. But I livez in Nebraska. (That's Nebrasker, if you'er from Rhode Island.) Other than ESPN Game Plan, it's hard to get their games out here.
jake
· 1 year ago
Sounds similar to my situation but you have gone a farther distance. I'm originally from Michigan, just graduated from Marquette, and now am working in Indiana. Basically just moving around the midwest
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
All childless couples consider adoption. Who tickles your fancy? A Big 10(11) team, perhaps?
jake
· 1 year ago
I tend to have one favorite from each bcs conference that I follow - wake, texas, mich state, oregon, tennessee, louisville. I'd say my default is MSU though. I grew up in MI and I love the passion MSU fans have for their underachieving team. I hate ND and Wisconsin. In most cases, I root for the underdog in most match ups.
gopurdue
· 1 year ago
Gomarquette did we meet in Key West back in March? Ithink we watched NCAAs together. GOPURDUE
jake
· 1 year ago
Nope. haven't been to the keys. It might make you glad to know that this summer I reside in the great state of Indiana. Likely going to grad school in IN as well in the fall. Unfortunately, Purdue doesn't offer what I plan to study. I do happen to have a few younger ones in my family who currently attend Purdue so I'll root for the boilers.
gopurdue
· 1 year ago
Hey, thanks for the reply. I was watching the first two rounds of the NCAAs with a father / in KW, One went to Marquette and one went to MSU. Both nice guys. I have a nephew at Marquette so I root a little for them too.
I hope you're not going to IU. Best of luck & Boiler up! Mark
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
Hate Notre Dame? Well...Come on in and stay a while. You'll get along just fine around here.
We're so desperate for ND fans that we have to assign other fans to be part-time ND spear catchers. I believe Tampa Gator is still on duty in that capacity--at least until we get another Irish fan in here.
They were pretty scarce during last season's debacle...
Zac
· 1 year ago
Wait till they win a game, and just you watch. ND fans will come out of the woodwork and the bragging about the Irish being back and on the road to the NC will never end. . .until the following week when they lose, come back to earth, and their fans disappear. . .until the next time they win, when the cycle repeats itself. Surely you recognize it.
Porcine
· 1 year ago
I miss Jt , TT, and So Cal USMC.
gatorhippy
· 1 year ago
Right...
Where the hell has SoCal (Insert Suffix Here) been anyway...
That guy has been MIA for an entire season...
TigerEducated
· 1 year ago
Hell, Brangelina and Brad Pitt are moving into an old shoe somewhere in France, aren't they?
How's your summertime going, WEA?
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
It's going, TE. You know, I heard yesterday that two Georgia players got arrested for simple battery, bringing their number of players booked this off season to six. Granted, I'm quite sure they're nothing along the felonious lines of Alabama, but still, that sounds like a lot.
I'm not sure how many points if any are scored in the Fulmer cup for simple battery...
Ramblin' Gator
· 1 year ago
A third UGA player is going to be charged for assault in a separate incident, as well.
The GT player arrested is sounding a little questionable to me. The AJC has quoted the APD as noting that no "male DNA" was found with the rape kit.
No DNA in the rape kit... you must acquit.
On the other hand, the player showed incredibly poor judgement, IMHO.
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
Okay, Ramblin Cochran. Cool it, there. Yea, I did hear about the Tech player on the news last night. Sounds like a weak case so far.
I really don't care much about the cfb police blotter, but it's one of the few things to talk about in the dry season.
Ramblin' Gator
· 1 year ago
How can we track the leader board in the Fulmer Cup without discussing the CFB police blotter?
It's getting harder and harder to post on this site with stumbling into taboo subjects! How many sacred cows have I kicked in the udder so far? I've lost count!
:-)
TigerEducated
· 1 year ago
They're in the Top 10 as of right now, but with Georgia Tech players acting like they live in Sodom and not Atlanta...You'll never know when the standings on the big board will be updated, y'know?
OU_Ron
· 1 year ago
Mr dennymm, have you met TE........I f not, I have a feeling you might.....
exile0824
· 1 year ago
There going to start using completed coloring books vs SAT scores
TampaGator
· 1 year ago
Does this mean we can now recruit the state pens for defensive linemen?
....dude....
GO GATORS!!
Porcine
· 1 year ago
Aren't they up to 17?
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
as long as they've been working on their core-classes and pre-requisites during their incarceration...
GeauxTigers0107
· 1 year ago
LOL...yeah, Miles is currently in talks with Dalip Singh (Turley from The Longest Yard). He's only 7ft 2 - 400lbs so he may be able to contribute right away...who knows.
Geaux Tigers Geaux SEC
lucky1
· 1 year ago
so reading will no longer be a requirement?
BigBlue92
· 1 year ago
This kills the Big East. The dark just got darker for Louisville.
Suprfin
· 1 year ago
Actually it doesn't have much of an effect on the Big East, except when Big East teams play SEC teams, but then that goes for the rest of the conferences too. The Big East has never taken nonqualifiers, and they haven't been taking partial qualifiers, that's prop 48's, for several years now (4 I think).
Zac
· 1 year ago
If it were all about giving kids a chance, I could get behind that. Unfortunately, it's not about giving kids a chance. It's about that age old formula, success + winning = MONEY!!!
What's even worse is the envy factor.
"There's a significant amount of players who don't qualify (at some schools) and they end up being pretty good players at some other schools. I think there are six guys starting on South Florida's defense who probably could have gone to Florida or Florida State but Florida and Florida State couldn't take them. And if you do a good job of recruiting that way ..."
I mean, boy!!! Can you say sour grapes or what?!? Gee, it's such a shame that schools like C FL, FL Atlantic, FIU, GA So, LA Monroe, S FL, Troy, or UAB land some decent athletes once in a while. I guess Saban feels if he can take em all, he won't have to worry about his team getting beaten by an "upstart" once in a while.
gatorhippy
· 1 year ago
Sour grapes?
Nah...
If this had happened just one season earlier Noel Devine would be running the ball in the SEC...
Zac
· 1 year ago
Nice bait job, big guy; but I'm not having any.
gatorhippy
· 1 year ago
nOt a bait job, bud...
Just fact...
Diggs_the_Mountie
· 1 year ago
Your "facts" are nothing but hoobity hooblah...Why does SEC teams still take props? The Big East doesn't.....Just the facts
gatorhippy
· 1 year ago
Not based on "hoobity hooblah"...
Based on the FACT that at the time, the BE only required the NCAA minimums for academic qualifying and both the other schools you mentioned below held their recruits to higher academic standards at the time...
Coupled with the fact, that Devine waited to commit and even considered prep school until his scores met the NCAA minimum...
In addition, to the fact that Devine's HS coach was quoted in the paper as saying he "barely" made it...
In the end, his scores made NCAA minimums but were not high enough to qualify for conferences that held their players to a higher standard...
gatorhippy
· 1 year ago
Diggs, you do realize that Proposition 48 was repealed in 2002, right?
Diggs_the_Mountie
· 1 year ago
Yes, the hippy's a master baiter for sure...I'll pass as well.
Diggs_the_Mountie
· 1 year ago
Sure.....He never even remotely considered a Floridian school. That's why FL. St, was left out along with others such as Alabama. Can't knock a kid for wanting a change of lifestyle.
gatorhippy
· 1 year ago
Did I state anything about Florida schools?
No...
I stated he would be in the SEC if they had allowed NCAA minimums......
Diggs_the_Mountie
· 1 year ago
Twist and twirl it all you want but the FACT is he qualified, is at WVU, and the SEC is "still" taking props....
Suprfin
· 1 year ago
Except for the fact that Devine qualified. Now IF Devine hadn't, he might have gone to an SEC school IF this would have happened just one season earlier.
gatorhippy
· 1 year ago
He qualified at NCAA minimums...
Which kept him out of the SEC and the ACC...
Zac
· 1 year ago
GH, I'll enter this debate by saying I've always been attracted to bright women. While in college I dated 3 valedictorians, 3 salutatorians, and another half-dozen or so that were Top-10 in their class in HS. My 1st wife, and the woman with whom I am now married, were both Top-10 in their class.
Where am I going with this? They weren't all successful. About a 4th of them did real well; a 4th of them did OK; a 4th of them barely survived, and the others dropped out. I knew some guys who were similar in that they did real well in HS, had no trouble getting A's, didn't even have to study much. They came to college, and wham-o; they couldn't cut it. For every one of these there were kids I knew who graduated somewhere in the 2nd quartile of their class, came into college, worked their butts off, and most are doing decent for not having been a class genius.
Sorting out one's priorities, developing good study habits, proactive preparation vs. reactive procrastination, these are all proportionally related to one's maturity. While their environment will have an impact, ultimately it comes down to an individual's choices. Selecting athletics over academics is just one of those choices. Selecting the right school to suit the scholarship athlete is another; the limits of which are directly proportional to the individual's talent. Fine institutions may show interest, but it's entirely possible none of them are the one he or she might choose, if given that choice.
If Noel Devine really wanted into an SEC school, he could have gotten there last year, 2 years ago, 5 years ago, 50 years ago. He had Deon Sanders mentoring him, for crying out loud. Standards or no standards, hath ye not heard of special dispensation, hard-ship cases, letters of recommendation from governors, representatives, senators, and the like? It happens all the time.
The point is this: He chose WVU and he's doing just fine in the classroom. Had he chosen FL, FSU, or Miami, I think he would have done just as well. He has proven to be most articulate, coherent, and crisp, not just in interviews, but in daily life. He has proven to be one who listens well, and follows instructions, both in classroom as well as on the field. Whether or not he barely met the criteria to get in matters not. He's doing the most with the chance he's been given. That's why I said above, if the SEC is looking to give decent kids a chance, I say go for it. If the SEC is looking to pad each of its schools with more of the best athletes, I say don't waste your time. Most SEC schools attract decent athletes anyway. The majority they don't attract are those who, rightly or wrongly, have "chosen" to go elsewhere.
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
You're not fooling us, Zac. We know you dated the Sleazatorians...
Personally, I went for the Easytorians...
gatorhippy
· 1 year ago
Standards or no standards, hath ye not heard of special dispensation, hard-ship cases, letters of recommendation from governors, representatives, senators, and the like? It happens all the time...
Name one, please...
gatorhippy
· 1 year ago
And in all honesty it appears that my initial statement along with Blutarsky and K-Hue's assertations on the SEC "lowering" acdemic standards is in fact incorrect and misunderstood...
SEC Commish Mike Slive cleared it up in his statements at SEC Media Days this past week and explained that it has in fact become MORE difficult to qualify if an athlete has not met the SEC minimums for academic qualification...
On another subject, there has been confusion about a recent amendment that the conference made to its bylaws with respect to student athlete eligibility, with some reports indicating the conference has relaxed its academic standards. In fact, the opposite is true. I want to take this opportunity to clear up that confusion.
As you may know, and some of this is more than a lot of you want to know, the NCAA revised its bylaws several years ago to eliminate the status known as partial qualifier, leaving only two classes of student athletes: qualifier and non qualifier, which are determined based on a student athlete's high school academic credentials.
This spring, the conference revised its bylaws effective August the 1st of this year to maintain standards more stringent than the NCAA standards governing the enrollment of non qualifiers. In addition to modifying the labels describing a student athlete's initial eligibility status, the NCAA's initial eligibility index was extended to include the full range of possible standardized test scores. A 2.0 high school GPA was established as the minimum for a student athlete to be a qualifier, and the number of required high school core courses was increased, first from 13 to 14, and now to the new requirement of 16.
It is inappropriate to associate this legislative change with any individual student athlete or prospective student athlete. Rather the revision is based on the need to update SEC rules to properly reflect new NCAA standards and to ensure accommodation of individuals challenged by learning disabilities.
These revised bylaws, known to most of us as Proposal 1, make it clear that only a limited number of recruited student athletes who are non qualifiers at the time of enrollment at an SEC institution may become eligible to compete in the SEC and that each of those limited number of student athletes may become eligible only if he or she presents an average high school GPA of at least 2.0 as certified by the NCAA and at least 12 core courses. The institution submits a special report to the conference known as Proposal 9A, and a prospective student athlete who was a non qualifier and who does not meet these standards can enroll as a first year student in the SEC at an institution in our league, but cannot later become eligible for SEC competition.
Another path to eligibility is available for such a student athlete, however. He or she can enroll in junior college and become eligible as a transfer student. For those interested in more, we have prepared a document comparing the old and new provision of SEC Bylaw 14.3, and that's available to you outside on the table after we finish.
So apparently, Devine STILL wouldn't have made it and inded would have either had to enroll at a JuCO or Prep Academy before being able to play in the SEC...
Which with two kids at the time and now a third (Ever hear of a "condom", Noel?), he certainly needed to get started playing ball to fast track to the NFL in three years...
Which with the BE only requiring NCAA minimums and the SEC and ACC holding athletes to standards higher than those WVU become his only option with simply Bama and FSU as the only ones still sticking with him at that point...
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
UCF might be offended by the idea that they get good players from low academic standards. As for the others I can not speak, and will chose to allow that to stop me this time.
BAMAPERRY
· 1 year ago
Ahhh, it's all Sabans fault again. Idiot.
TigerEducated
· 1 year ago
See, this is what's so annoying to me...Our site actually dug up a photo of BAMAPERRY from the days when the Lair (our site) was a free-for-all board, and we had to police it ourselves from spammers...
Folks from any school could weigh in...BAMAPERRY was one...
Unfortunately, we don't have .jpg .html rights with the DISQUS, and as a result, I can't share it with you all...But believe me, you all would BAN him from the site unless he acquiesced to using it on his little avatar image doohickey...
It's truly glorious...
There is a photo folks...and, while folks south of the Mason Dixon wouldn't be, most of you all would be shocked...and I do mean shocked, to see it...
Dude is BLOWDRYING HIS MULLET, I Shiite you not!
Zac
· 1 year ago
"Dude is BLOWDRYING HIS MULLET, I Shiite you not!"
Too funny, TE!
Zac
· 1 year ago
Hey, if at 1st ya don't succeed, blame somebody.
Zac
· 1 year ago
My apologies up front for a drive by thread hijack.
John Pont, former HC at IN, NW, Miami (OH) and assistant under Era Parsegian (highlighting a few of his stints), passed away at the age of 80 two days ago after battling cancer. He and Parsegian were teammates at Miami (OH), where Pont rushed for over 2700 yards and had his jersey retired, the 1st jersey to ever be retired at Miami. He was considered to be top shelf as a coach, leader, and all around human being. He will be missed.
SEC Mom
· 1 year ago
BCEagle - that did it!! SEC mom lives in Irish Catholic Chicago suburb. Sr. daughter at UGA and Fr. daughter at UK. Am surrounded by "Domers"; BC (BS)'ers' and Big Ten - Domer wanna-be's. (Marquette, you get a break only because you do not have a football team.) Bulldogs got robbed last year. In the least, should have been in the Rose Bowl. Don't tell the Lyin' Illini that, lord forbid. Kentucky could have played better in Rose Bowl. We hang our flags proudly. Drives the neighbors crazy! Love it - can't wait for new season. Oh, did I forget to mention we are Catholic too - but not Irish?
P.S. How do I get my Dawgs & Cats logo up?
Pappy Waldorf
· 1 year ago
"SEC to lower admission standards"? Wait, the SEC has admission standards? (And by “SEC” I mean “all SEC schools not in Nashville.”)
Isn’t this something of a non-story? Pretty much the only 1-A football programs with any semblance of an admission standard are Stanford, Northwestern, Duke (note that I specified football, not hoops), Rice, Vanderbilt and maybe one or two other schools. Even Air Force had a punk who took a swing at a Northwestern coach several years back.
And no, graduating lunkheads at a high rate through round-the-clock tutoring does not constitute a high admission standard. (Boston College and Notre Dame, I’m looking at you.)
FinanceBuzz
· 1 year ago
Wow....lower standards for the SEC?? They can already send guys to the 13th grade at places like Hargrave. Then when they get back they can join their teammates in academically crushing degrees like Sport Studies, Recreation and Leisure Studies, and Consumer Economics. What's more relaxed than that? "Welcome to Filling out a Form 101. Your final exam will be to get your name, address and phone number on a single form. That is what we will work toward this semester."
trog
· 1 year ago
Lower? Than they already are? bwahahahahahahahahahah
I truly didn't think that was possible.
lurker
· 1 year ago
What a joke college football has become - win at all costs so the college can reap the rewards, yet not giving two flips if the kids playing the sport ever become productive members in society.
Bearcatvol
· 1 year ago
The irony is the accusation Saban made about USF is blatently false. The Big East eliminated Prop 48s several years ago. USF in the past recruited them, but not in a long time. So basicaly his comments are full of 'Bull so to speak. Hope there are lots of nice shops in Tuscaloosa to spend that $4mil a year in.
Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
I honestly didn't realize that admission standards could get lower than some of the SEC schools. I would like some specifics on how much lower. Are they not going to require high school diplomas now or what?
abby007
· 1 year ago
SEC schools are at the peak and every bright student wants admission in.They have maintained their standards from a intials only and its a real bluff for good students.But as usual their is good news for average student.Lets hope for better improvement in lessons and study policies. abbyoo7 Addiction Recovery Indiana
Lennie Collins
· 1 year ago
Thugs & Gangsters need ed-u-ma-cation too!
Porcine
· 1 year ago
O i guess U'd know.
Lennie Collins
· 1 year ago
Man...you are posting on a thread that old? You must be really bored! Porcine I don't have anything against you BUT when you respond to me try to use sentences!
Porcine
· 1 year ago
Oh nevermind.
TigerEducated
· 1 year ago
Talking about admission standards and 'Bama...This new scholarship crunch they're teetering towards is going to be hurtful in more than one way...
Those new APR rulings and scholarship reductions are going to hurt the Capstone...For every guy they run off to get their new kids in and make sure they fit under the 85 man roster limit, they're going to take a hit on the current scholarship players who aren't going to graduate and yet will leave with eligibility remaining...
It's going to crunch their scholarship numbers on that new APR ruling dealio FBS schools are operating under these days...
BCEagles
· 1 year ago
SEC=====toothless 'billies or thugs punks....I'm just sayin'.
All Comments
If this were the PAC 10 making these changes that might be interesting. While a number of schools excell academically, no one really argues the SEC is a mighty academic conference.
I don't see the commisioner saing no to anyone, unless a media rucuss is raised forcing his hand in the matter.
Ahh Nick Saban - master of illusion. Sure, Saban picks on South Florida for sweeping up the scraps of the State of Florida (in the shadow of 3 football powerhouses). However, Saban's program boasts the 9th worst graduation rate in the NCAA (2007). In fact, Alabama in general has one of the worst differences in graduation rates between football players (44%) and all students (62%). Many other athletic departments around the SEC should stay silent at this time. The SEC has 3 schools (most of all conferences) with athlete graduation rates under 50% (Alabama, LSU, Georgia)! Somehow, Florida can pull a 92% graduation rate among its athletes AND win championships! So honestly Nick Saban, get off your high horse. Yes, Jim Leavitt may be building a program with idiot rejects when they enter, but at least more of them are graduating. Unfortunately for Saban, he gets paid quite more than Leavitt and, therefore, is expected to recruit players with brains and athletic talent. (http://stanford.scout.com/2/618619.html)
...and thank you kindly for making note of UF's respectable graduation rate (kinda' comes off as braggadocio when we boast of it ourselves).
GO GATORS!!
Maybe having smart athletes is an advantage on the field.
Hey, look, guys, he's still around. I didn't scare him away.
Good stuff, gomarquette. I'd heard (believe it or not) from other than FL sources that FL athletes had a decent graduation rate, not to mention the school had respectable academic standards. What surprises me is not AL or GA, but LSU. I honestly thought they would be better than that.
So, tell me. Does Marquette have a football team?
Unfortunately, no, Marquette does not have a football team. It has not had one since 1978. I am a huge college football fan, but I think it is best to left to the big boys. We've all seen what happens to small schools that try to compete in D1 football (except Wake Forest recently). We do have a club team and many have suggested developing it into a Varsity team. It would be foolish to do so since our club team is pitiful and Marquette simply does not have the funds.
By the way, everyone should read today's ESPN piece about MU's new coach, Buzz Williams.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?col...
It provides a good example of an AD going hiring the best coach for the program and not necessarily the big name coach as many ADs tend to do.
I attended WVU. Having been born and raised in up-state NY, it's a long story as to how I became a Mountaineer. Proud to be one, though. I even married a girl from there. But I livez in Nebraska. (That's Nebrasker, if you'er from Rhode Island.) Other than ESPN Game Plan, it's hard to get their games out here.
did we meet in Key West back in March? Ithink we watched NCAAs together.
GOPURDUE
I hope you're not going to IU.
Best of luck & Boiler up!
Mark
We're so desperate for ND fans that we have to assign other fans to be part-time ND spear catchers. I believe Tampa Gator is still on duty in that capacity--at least until we get another Irish fan in here.
They were pretty scarce during last season's debacle...
Where the hell has SoCal (Insert Suffix Here) been anyway...
That guy has been MIA for an entire season...
How's your summertime going, WEA?
I'm not sure how many points if any are scored in the Fulmer cup for simple battery...
The GT player arrested is sounding a little questionable to me. The AJC has quoted the APD as noting that no "male DNA" was found with the rape kit.
No DNA in the rape kit... you must acquit.
On the other hand, the player showed incredibly poor judgement, IMHO.
I really don't care much about the cfb police blotter, but it's one of the few things to talk about in the dry season.
It's getting harder and harder to post on this site with stumbling into taboo subjects! How many sacred cows have I kicked in the udder so far? I've lost count!
:-)
....dude....
GO GATORS!!
Geaux Tigers
Geaux SEC
What's even worse is the envy factor.
"There's a significant amount of players who don't qualify (at some schools) and they end up being pretty good players at some other schools. I think there are six guys starting on South Florida's defense who probably could have gone to Florida or Florida State but Florida and Florida State couldn't take them. And if you do a good job of recruiting that way ..."
I mean, boy!!! Can you say sour grapes or what?!? Gee, it's such a shame that schools like C FL, FL Atlantic, FIU, GA So, LA Monroe, S FL, Troy, or UAB land some decent athletes once in a while. I guess Saban feels if he can take em all, he won't have to worry about his team getting beaten by an "upstart" once in a while.
Nah...
If this had happened just one season earlier Noel Devine would be running the ball in the SEC...
Just fact...
Based on the FACT that at the time, the BE only required the NCAA minimums for academic qualifying and both the other schools you mentioned below held their recruits to higher academic standards at the time...
Coupled with the fact, that Devine waited to commit and even considered prep school until his scores met the NCAA minimum...
In addition, to the fact that Devine's HS coach was quoted in the paper as saying he "barely" made it...
In the end, his scores made NCAA minimums but were not high enough to qualify for conferences that held their players to a higher standard...
No...
I stated he would be in the SEC if they had allowed NCAA minimums......
Which kept him out of the SEC and the ACC...
Where am I going with this? They weren't all successful. About a 4th of them did real well; a 4th of them did OK; a 4th of them barely survived, and the others dropped out. I knew some guys who were similar in that they did real well in HS, had no trouble getting A's, didn't even have to study much. They came to college, and wham-o; they couldn't cut it. For every one of these there were kids I knew who graduated somewhere in the 2nd quartile of their class, came into college, worked their butts off, and most are doing decent for not having been a class genius.
Sorting out one's priorities, developing good study habits, proactive preparation vs. reactive procrastination, these are all proportionally related to one's maturity. While their environment will have an impact, ultimately it comes down to an individual's choices. Selecting athletics over academics is just one of those choices. Selecting the right school to suit the scholarship athlete is another; the limits of which are directly proportional to the individual's talent. Fine institutions may show interest, but it's entirely possible none of them are the one he or she might choose, if given that choice.
If Noel Devine really wanted into an SEC school, he could have gotten there last year, 2 years ago, 5 years ago, 50 years ago. He had Deon Sanders mentoring him, for crying out loud. Standards or no standards, hath ye not heard of special dispensation, hard-ship cases, letters of recommendation from governors, representatives, senators, and the like? It happens all the time.
The point is this: He chose WVU and he's doing just fine in the classroom. Had he chosen FL, FSU, or Miami, I think he would have done just as well. He has proven to be most articulate, coherent, and crisp, not just in interviews, but in daily life. He has proven to be one who listens well, and follows instructions, both in classroom as well as on the field. Whether or not he barely met the criteria to get in matters not. He's doing the most with the chance he's been given. That's why I said above, if the SEC is looking to give decent kids a chance, I say go for it. If the SEC is looking to pad each of its schools with more of the best athletes, I say don't waste your time. Most SEC schools attract decent athletes anyway. The majority they don't attract are those who, rightly or wrongly, have "chosen" to go elsewhere.
Personally, I went for the Easytorians...
Name one, please...
SEC Commish Mike Slive cleared it up in his statements at SEC Media Days this past week and explained that it has in fact become MORE difficult to qualify if an athlete has not met the SEC minimums for academic qualification...
On another subject, there has been confusion about a recent amendment that the conference made to its bylaws with respect to student athlete eligibility, with some reports indicating the conference has relaxed its academic standards. In fact, the opposite is true. I want to take this opportunity to clear up that confusion.
As you may know, and some of this is more than a lot of you want to know, the NCAA revised its bylaws several years ago to eliminate the status known as partial qualifier, leaving only two classes of student athletes: qualifier and non qualifier, which are determined based on a student athlete's high school academic credentials.
This spring, the conference revised its bylaws effective August the 1st of this year to maintain standards more stringent than the NCAA standards governing the enrollment of non qualifiers. In addition to modifying the labels describing a student athlete's initial eligibility status, the NCAA's initial eligibility index was extended to include the full range of possible standardized test scores. A 2.0 high school GPA was established as the minimum for a student athlete to be a qualifier, and the number of required high school core courses was increased, first from 13 to 14, and now to the new requirement of 16.
It is inappropriate to associate this legislative change with any individual student athlete or prospective student athlete. Rather the revision is based on the need to update SEC rules to properly reflect new NCAA standards and to ensure accommodation of individuals challenged by learning disabilities.
These revised bylaws, known to most of us as Proposal 1, make it clear that only a limited number of recruited student athletes who are non qualifiers at the time of enrollment at an SEC institution may become eligible to compete in the SEC and that each of those limited number of student athletes may become eligible only if he or she presents an average high school GPA of at least 2.0 as certified by the NCAA and at least 12 core courses. The institution submits a special report to the conference known as Proposal 9A, and a prospective student athlete who was a non qualifier and who does not meet these standards can enroll as a first year student in the SEC at an institution in our league, but cannot later become eligible for SEC competition.
Another path to eligibility is available for such a student athlete, however. He or she can enroll in junior college and become eligible as a transfer student. For those interested in more, we have prepared a document comparing the old and new provision of SEC Bylaw 14.3, and that's available to you outside on the table after we finish.
So apparently, Devine STILL wouldn't have made it and inded would have either had to enroll at a JuCO or Prep Academy before being able to play in the SEC...
Which with two kids at the time and now a third (Ever hear of a "condom", Noel?), he certainly needed to get started playing ball to fast track to the NFL in three years...
Which with the BE only requiring NCAA minimums and the SEC and ACC holding athletes to standards higher than those WVU become his only option with simply Bama and FSU as the only ones still sticking with him at that point...
Folks from any school could weigh in...BAMAPERRY was one...
Unfortunately, we don't have .jpg .html rights with the DISQUS, and as a result, I can't share it with you all...But believe me, you all would BAN him from the site unless he acquiesced to using it on his little avatar image doohickey...
It's truly glorious...
There is a photo folks...and, while folks south of the Mason Dixon wouldn't be, most of you all would be shocked...and I do mean shocked, to see it...
Dude is BLOWDRYING HIS MULLET, I Shiite you not!
Too funny, TE!
John Pont, former HC at IN, NW, Miami (OH) and assistant under Era Parsegian (highlighting a few of his stints), passed away at the age of 80 two days ago after battling cancer. He and Parsegian were teammates at Miami (OH), where Pont rushed for over 2700 yards and had his jersey retired, the 1st jersey to ever be retired at Miami. He was considered to be top shelf as a coach, leader, and all around human being. He will be missed.
Bulldogs got robbed last year. In the least, should have been in the Rose Bowl. Don't tell the Lyin'
Illini that, lord forbid. Kentucky could have played better in Rose Bowl.
We hang our flags proudly. Drives the neighbors crazy! Love it - can't wait for new season. Oh, did I forget to mention we are Catholic too - but not Irish?
P.S. How do I get my Dawgs & Cats logo up?
Isn’t this something of a non-story? Pretty much the only 1-A football programs with any semblance of an admission standard are Stanford, Northwestern, Duke (note that I specified football, not hoops), Rice, Vanderbilt and maybe one or two other schools. Even Air Force had a punk who took a swing at a Northwestern coach several years back.
And no, graduating lunkheads at a high rate through round-the-clock tutoring does not constitute a high admission standard. (Boston College and Notre Dame, I’m looking at you.)
I truly didn't think that was possible.
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Addiction Recovery Indiana
Those new APR rulings and scholarship reductions are going to hurt the Capstone...For every guy they run off to get their new kids in and make sure they fit under the 85 man roster limit, they're going to take a hit on the current scholarship players who aren't going to graduate and yet will leave with eligibility remaining...
It's going to crunch their scholarship numbers on that new APR ruling dealio FBS schools are operating under these days...