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Re: SEC to lower admission standards

Porcine — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:31:25 -0000

Oh nevermind.

Re: SEC to lower admission standards

gatorhippy — Sun, 27 Jul 2008 22:08:00 -0000

Right...

Where the hell has SoCal (Insert Suffix Here) been anyway...

That guy has been MIA for an entire season...

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Lennie Collins — Sun, 27 Jul 2008 20:34:06 -0000

Man...you are posting on a thread that old? You must be really bored! Porcine I don't have anything against you BUT when you respond to me try to use sentences!

Re: SEC to lower admission standards

Porcine — Sun, 27 Jul 2008 20:07:07 -0000

I find that rather shallow and padantic.

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Porcine — Sun, 27 Jul 2008 20:05:59 -0000

O i guess U'd know.

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Porcine — Sun, 27 Jul 2008 19:50:32 -0000

Aren't they up to 17?

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Porcine — Sun, 27 Jul 2008 19:48:13 -0000

I miss Jt , TT, and So Cal USMC.

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gatorhippy — Sun, 27 Jul 2008 13:44:51 -0000

And in all honesty it appears that my initial statement along with Blutarsky and K-Hue's assertations on the SEC "lowering" acdemic standards is in fact incorrect and misunderstood...

SEC Commish Mike Slive cleared it up in his statements at SEC Media Days this past week and explained that it has in fact become MORE difficult to qualify if an athlete has not met the SEC minimums for academic qualification...

On another subject, there has been confusion about a recent amendment that the conference made to its bylaws with respect to student athlete eligibility, with some reports indicating the conference has relaxed its academic standards. In fact, the opposite is true. I want to take this opportunity to clear up that confusion.

As you may know, and some of this is more than a lot of you want to know, the NCAA revised its bylaws several years ago to eliminate the status known as partial qualifier, leaving only two classes of student athletes: qualifier and non qualifier, which are determined based on a student athlete's high school academic credentials.

This spring, the conference revised its bylaws effective August the 1st of this year to maintain standards more stringent than the NCAA standards governing the enrollment of non qualifiers. In addition to modifying the labels describing a student athlete's initial eligibility status, the NCAA's initial eligibility index was extended to include the full range of possible standardized test scores. A 2.0 high school GPA was established as the minimum for a student athlete to be a qualifier, and the number of required high school core courses was increased, first from 13 to 14, and now to the new requirement of 16.

It is inappropriate to associate this legislative change with any individual student athlete or prospective student athlete. Rather the revision is based on the need to update SEC rules to properly reflect new NCAA standards and to ensure accommodation of individuals challenged by learning disabilities.

These revised bylaws, known to most of us as Proposal 1, make it clear that only a limited number of recruited student athletes who are non qualifiers at the time of enrollment at an SEC institution may become eligible to compete in the SEC and that each of those limited number of student athletes may become eligible only if he or she presents an average high school GPA of at least 2.0 as certified by the NCAA and at least 12 core courses. The institution submits a special report to the conference known as Proposal 9A, and a prospective student athlete who was a non qualifier and who does not meet these standards can enroll as a first year student in the SEC at an institution in our league, but cannot later become eligible for SEC competition.

Another path to eligibility is available for such a student athlete, however. He or she can enroll in junior college and become eligible as a transfer student. For those interested in more, we have prepared a document comparing the old and new provision of SEC Bylaw 14.3, and that's available to you outside on the table after we finish.

So apparently, Devine STILL wouldn't have made it and inded would have either had to enroll at a JuCO or Prep Academy before being able to play in the SEC...

Which with two kids at the time and now a third (Ever hear of a "condom", Noel?), he certainly needed to get started playing ball to fast track to the NFL in three years...

Which with the BE only requiring NCAA minimums and the SEC and ACC holding athletes to standards higher than those WVU become his only option with simply Bama and FSU as the only ones still sticking with him at that point...

Re: SEC to lower admission standards

gatorhippy — Sun, 27 Jul 2008 13:21:00 -0000

Diggs, you do realize that Proposition 48 was repealed in 2002, right?

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Diggs_the_Mountie — Sat, 26 Jul 2008 23:18:11 -0000

Twist and twirl it all you want but the FACT is he qualified, is at WVU, and the SEC is "still" taking props....

Re: SEC to lower admission standards

gatorhippy — Mon, 21 Jul 2008 08:49:35 -0000

Standards or no standards, hath ye not heard of special dispensation, hard-ship cases, letters of recommendation from governors, representatives, senators, and the like? It happens all the time...

Name one, please...

Re: SEC to lower admission standards

War_Eagle_Atlanta — Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:22:19 -0000

You're not fooling us, Zac. We know you dated the Sleazatorians...

Personally, I went for the Easytorians...

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Zac — Sun, 20 Jul 2008 00:14:34 -0000

GH, I'll enter this debate by saying I've always been attracted to bright women. While in college I dated 3 valedictorians, 3 salutatorians, and another half-dozen or so that were Top-10 in their class in HS. My 1st wife, and the woman with whom I am now married, were both Top-10 in their class.

Where am I going with this? They weren't all successful. About a 4th of them did real well; a 4th of them did OK; a 4th of them barely survived, and the others dropped out. I knew some guys who were similar in that they did real well in HS, had no trouble getting A's, didn't even have to study much. They came to college, and wham-o; they couldn't cut it. For every one of these there were kids I knew who graduated somewhere in the 2nd quartile of their class, came into college, worked their butts off, and most are doing decent for not having been a class genius.

Sorting out one's priorities, developing good study habits, proactive preparation vs. reactive procrastination, these are all proportionally related to one's maturity. While their environment will have an impact, ultimately it comes down to an individual's choices. Selecting athletics over academics is just one of those choices. Selecting the right school to suit the scholarship athlete is another; the limits of which are directly proportional to the individual's talent. Fine institutions may show interest, but it's entirely possible none of them are the one he or she might choose, if given that choice.

If Noel Devine really wanted into an SEC school, he could have gotten there last year, 2 years ago, 5 years ago, 50 years ago. He had Deon Sanders mentoring him, for crying out loud. Standards or no standards, hath ye not heard of special dispensation, hard-ship cases, letters of recommendation from governors, representatives, senators, and the like? It happens all the time.

The point is this: He chose WVU and he's doing just fine in the classroom. Had he chosen FL, FSU, or Miami, I think he would have done just as well. He has proven to be most articulate, coherent, and crisp, not just in interviews, but in daily life. He has proven to be one who listens well, and follows instructions, both in classroom as well as on the field. Whether or not he barely met the criteria to get in matters not. He's doing the most with the chance he's been given. That's why I said above, if the SEC is looking to give decent kids a chance, I say go for it. If the SEC is looking to pad each of its schools with more of the best athletes, I say don't waste your time. Most SEC schools attract decent athletes anyway. The majority they don't attract are those who, rightly or wrongly, have "chosen" to go elsewhere.

Re: SEC to lower admission standards

gatorhippy — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 15:12:47 -0000

He qualified at NCAA minimums...

Which kept him out of the SEC and the ACC...

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gatorhippy — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 09:54:06 -0000

Did I state anything about Florida schools?

No...

I stated he would be in the SEC if they had allowed NCAA minimums......

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gatorhippy — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 09:52:40 -0000

Not based on "hoobity hooblah"...

Based on the FACT that at the time, the BE only required the NCAA minimums for academic qualifying and both the other schools you mentioned below held their recruits to higher academic standards at the time...

Coupled with the fact, that Devine waited to commit and even considered prep school until his scores met the NCAA minimum...

In addition, to the fact that Devine's HS coach was quoted in the paper as saying he "barely" made it...

In the end, his scores made NCAA minimums but were not high enough to qualify for conferences that held their players to a higher standard...

Re: SEC to lower admission standards

Diggs_the_Mountie — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 11:02:33 -0000

Your "facts" are nothing but hoobity hooblah...Why does SEC teams still take props? The Big East doesn't.....Just the facts

Re: SEC to lower admission standards

gatorhippy — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 07:37:41 -0000

nOt a bait job, bud...

Just fact...

Re: SEC to lower admission standards

abby007 — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:06:08 -0000

SEC schools are at the peak and every bright student wants admission in.They have maintained their standards from a intials only and its a real bluff for good students.But as usual their is good news for average student.Lets hope for better improvement in lessons and study policies.
abbyoo7
Addiction Recovery Indiana

Re: SEC to lower admission standards

aVoiceInSC — Sun, 13 Jul 2008 00:46:34 -0000

I honestly didn't realize that admission standards could get lower than some of the SEC schools. I would like some specifics on how much lower. Are they not going to require high school diplomas now or what?

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gopurdue — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 23:13:06 -0000

Hey, thanks for the reply. I was watching the first two rounds of the NCAAs with a father / in KW, One went to Marquette and one went to MSU. Both nice guys. I have a nephew at Marquette so I root a little for them too.

I hope you're not going to IU.
Best of luck & Boiler up!
Mark

Re: SEC to lower admission standards

Bearcatvol — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 09:39:23 -0000

The irony is the accusation Saban made about USF is blatently false. The Big East eliminated Prop 48s several years ago. USF in the past recruited them, but not in a long time. So basicaly his comments are full of 'Bull so to speak. Hope there are lots of nice shops in Tuscaloosa to spend that $4mil a year in.

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jake — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 09:09:35 -0000

Nope. haven't been to the keys. It might make you glad to know that this summer I reside in the great state of Indiana. Likely going to grad school in IN as well in the fall. Unfortunately, Purdue doesn't offer what I plan to study. I do happen to have a few younger ones in my family who currently attend Purdue so I'll root for the boilers.

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lurker — Wed, 09 Jul 2008 23:33:31 -0000

What a joke college football has become - win at all costs so the college can reap the rewards, yet not giving two flips if the kids playing the sport ever become productive members in society.

Re: SEC to lower admission standards

gopurdue — Wed, 09 Jul 2008 18:00:06 -0000

Gomarquette
did we meet in Key West back in March? Ithink we watched NCAAs together.
GOPURDUE