DISQUS

Regan · 1 year ago

FIRST

safedone · 1 year ago

I was at game and saw how Shannon ran up to Meyer shook his hand and took off. Meyer had a look on his face like oh well. You play until game is over,Gators needed to keep momentum going after 3 mediocre quarters.

doggerel · 1 year ago

Can you say "beat the spread?"

Regan · 1 year ago

Agree pretty much, although it's not that big of a deal.

No self-respecting 'Cane was expecting any mercy from the Gators in Gainesville; such is the nature of a good rivalry.

As far as Shannon goes, I do agree with him, but considering the fact that Miami's D held the Gators to a FG, that rained on the points parade that Florida was trying to put up to begin with, so it's almost a humorous wash.

Meyer at some point will get bit doing this; but in either case, Florida played a great game and Miami hung tough with them with a roster green as grass. That's what most Miami fans were (realistically) hoping for, and we're pretty encouraged with the team's development.

They tried to put up another TD late, and failed. Reason to smile. :)

fosterkeats · 1 year ago

THIS is the biggest waste of space, irrelevant article, NON-STORY so far this season...

HEY MIAMI, PLAY DEFENSE!!!

I'm so sick of little meaningless crap like this garnering so much worthless attention...

PLAY THE GAMES

The game itself probably helped MIAMI more in recruiting that Flor-duh, they kept it closer than a lot of "expert" douche bags thought...

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

Since when do feminine hygiene products prognosticate CFB outcomes?

fosterkeats · 1 year ago

Since Lee Corso & Lou Holtz went on TV...

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

Ha...

Good answer...

cdogg · 1 year ago

Wow...tell us what you really think.

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

Seriously, Keats...

Relax a little...

I wouldn't want you to go all "Helter Skelter" on us...

fosterkeats · 1 year ago

I mean, I just gtet tired of stupid little NON STORIES being blown out of proportion... If Oscar Meyer wants to leave his first team in, then tell Cry Baby Boy Shannon to put his first team defense back in and STOP THEM...

PERIOD

Regan · 1 year ago

Then why'd you respond to it?

fosterkeats · 1 year ago

To hopefully knock some sense into some of these hammerheads in here who love to ramble on & on abaout stupid non stories like this...

People here in Atlanta are upset b/c ESPN didn't have Knowshaun Moreno's hurdle vs CMU on their "Top Plays" the other night... who gives a sh*t???

ESPN sux anyway...

Regan · 1 year ago

I doubt you'll change any minds via internet discussions, especially when it comes to sports.

Just an FYI.

BigWarEagle · 1 year ago

Who would have ever thought that a Florida team that only scored 26 points in a game would ever have been accused of running up the score?

fosterkeats · 1 year ago

Thank you, that's all anyone needs to say about this garbage topic...

GeauxTigers0107 · 1 year ago

Totally agree with TeBlow on this one. They're on the field to put points on the board. You're on the field to stop them. Just because you can't stop them doesn't mean they should lay down. If you get pissed at anyone, it should be your Def Coor, not the opposing teams coach.

Given the circumstances, if the roles were reversed, I think Randy would have done the same thing. It just hurts more because he was on the other end of it.


Geaux Tigers
Geaux SEC

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

This could get ugly in here...

I might stay out of this one...

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 1 year ago

Not so fast, my friend...

fosterkeats · 1 year ago

Did you REALLY just quote Corso???

Wow, how lame...

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

Not to nitpick, but...

There was actually almost 50 seconds left when the decision to kick the field goal was made...

UF kicked the ball of with less than 30 seconds left...

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 1 year ago

I think that Tebow set some sort of record for saying 'Coach Meyer' in one statement... Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. I don't think that Tony Montana said f*ck that many times in Scarface...

Crying about 26 points? Really? Has it come to that? What would have Spurrier have done? Half a hundred?

Anyone think that Meyer was trying to cover the spread? Perhaps he knew that Gatorhippy have the Canes the points and wanted to TEACH HIM A LESSON! Ye of little faith...

:-)

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 1 year ago

Now I know why Kev put that Tebow quote in there. He knew that I would be the one to bite...

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

And that he did, WEA...

That he did...

OU_Ron · 1 year ago

If that's running up the score, don't ever play Texas Tech, Leach don't care if he's 6 or 60 ahead, it's balls to the wall boy's.....

1Tomcat · 1 year ago

I agree Ron 26 aint nothing, play OU,TTech,Missu, OK State and 26 aint a comfortable lead heck you better get as many as you can, and aint nobody going to call off the dawgs in this league-B-12 some powerful offenses, if you cant stop them, then score as much as you possibly can. Tell Mike Gundy,Gary Pinkle, Bob Stoops or Mike Leach to give ya a break- na aint happening. KU,UT and KSU can average 40+ points a game every week.
This is really a non-issue and alot of teams put the second string in late like UT and those boys are finally given a chance to prove themselves- they are not going to slack up. It aint over till its over and if your team gets embarrassed dont blame the opposing coach, blame yourself and get ready for next week.

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

Is that not the way he coached at Utah? He does not call off the dogs until they are up by over 21 points AND the game is in the fourth quarter. Until then it is full speed ahead, then he will run the clock out.

4 of the 6 BCS computers do not use MOV, two of those redesigned by their authors to eliminate MOV. 2 are proprietary and to what extent MOV is incorporated is unknown. I seem to remember that BCS computers are not allowed to use MOV unless they meet a series of limitations including capping the scores at 21. I also remember that the BCS had claimed it would continue to evaluate which computer rankings it used.

Florida was only up by 20. That is who Urban Meyer is.

AUtigerman · 1 year ago

Well i for one thought it was totally bush league.
No need to do anything but take a knee at that point. Bet if Florida would have had a player hurt at that point of the game youd hear a different tune from there fans.
But i figured coach Spread (Meyer) to keep throwing it.

Tommy_Trojan · 1 year ago

I don't think it really matters what any of us think. But, I'll bet that plenty of Division I coaches are not gonna like that. I think Shannon is calling this to the attention of all of the coaches who vote. I think that what Shannon is referring to is the fact that this may come back to hurt Florida in the coaches voting. There really are not too many teams that go out of their way to pile up points after the game has already been won. You don't see that too often. Most coaches really don't go out of their way to make an opposing coach feel any worse than he already does about his teams poor performance. I do think that some coaches would take offense to this.

GeauxTigers0107 · 1 year ago

Kinda like the Denver v. Oakland game last night. Denver was up by 28 with like 7 minutes left and drove down the field by strictly running the ball. Then, once he (Shannahan) got down inside the 10yd line, he called a pass play that got them to the goal line. The commentators were surprised by the call and mentioned that Shannahan was piling it on. They deducted the reason to be an unpleasant history between Denver's head coach and Al Davis, the owner of the Raiders.

But Mike Ditka (who called last nights MNF game with Mike & Mike) said it's the offenses job to score points and the defenses job to stop them. If they can't then oh well....keep scoring. I agree with this thinking but if the game is absolutely in hand, ie: up by 28 with 4 minutes left, calling only running plays should be the order of the day.

Of course, I'm no coach..lol.


Geaux Tigers
Geaux SEC

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

Personally, I never have any pity on a professional team in any sport that gets the score run up on them...

It's their job to score or stop the scoring...

That's what they get paid for...

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

And how many points did So Cal score on Virginia last week?

AUtigerman · 1 year ago

Gator

At least they put there 2nd and 3rd string guys in. Meyer leaves Tebow in and hes throwing in the end zone.
Thats WAC not SEC ball

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

See my post below to Tommy...

Tommy_Trojan · 1 year ago

GH:

Southern Cal brought in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th string QB's for the entire 4th quarter. They allowed the 2nd string QB (Aaron Corp) to throw only two short passes. They ran nothing but running plays. The entire bench was emptied. They would attempt no field goals. They would run the ball on 3rd and whatever it was, or even 4th down, rather than attempt a FG. Pete Carroll has never run up the score on anybody. But, he does let the subs play. He just does not allow for alot of passing after the game has been won.

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 1 year ago

It hasn't really hurt USC in the coaches poll the last 6 years or so, has it TT?

Tommy_Trojan · 1 year ago

WEA:

Where do you guys get that Southern Cal rolls up the score.? The Trojans play more reserves than any team does. We play most all our freshman always. Why do you think they have so much depth? You guys ought to try and watch some of the games instead of reading the box score only. You'll find that Pete Carroll leaves at least seven points on the field in every single game. The game will usually always end with the Trojans inside the opponents 20 yd line - just letting time expire. There is no comparison here with Urban Meyer or Mike Leach. Watch the games! I think that's what pisses me off the most about ignorant people. I only speak of what I have seen. And, I have seen Urban Meyer roll the score up many times. I don't think I've ever seen Brantley take a snap.

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

Your point about watching the games is exactly the what I think both the ATL Eagle and I are saying...

The people making the votes, whether coaches or press, are in the same boat...

They don't watch all the games but simply check the scores and lines and vote accordingly...

Therefore, it stands to reason that kicking a last second field goal with the game in hand while throwing the ball because you can't move it on the ground will draw the same amount of attention that placing your subs in in the fourth of a wild blow out will...

None...

JMHO...

Tommy_Trojan · 1 year ago

GH:

I agree with that. And, I understand that a few points here or there will influence some knucklehead voters. But, it's way too early to worry about any of that. What really influences these knucklehead voters is losses. If Florida lost to Georgia by three lousy points, they would proclaim Georgia #1 and drop Florida all the way down to #12. Heck, Florida may have even outplayed them in this hypothetical game, and it wouldn't even matter. Most of these morons only look at score. I'll tell you what, as a gamblin' man, I've written a computer program that separates all of this out. The "betting public" is very much influenced by the "poll rankings". This very much moves some lines. In actually, these rankings are seldom correct, and the very best teams are not ranked as high as they should be - and visa versa. There is money to be made on the distinction of these two facts. To be honest, rolling up three more points on Miami, is not gonna help Florida at all, in my computer rankings. You see - it also makes Miami three points worse than they were. This all balances out into Florida's SOS. It doesn't do them much good here. But, it may sway some voter to raise them in rankings. What really makes Florida climb the rankings is wins over Georgia and LSU, that would shoot them up the charts, not three more points over Miami.

PrinceMarko · 1 year ago

Was that you that Jim Rome read an email from about the Buckeyes?

Clemson_Joe · 1 year ago

Jim Rome is worthless. I really didn't realize that his show was still on.

The best thing that ever happened to him was Jim Everett.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOVxitMy47c

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

I'll disagree with that...

What happens in the extremely slim chance that this turns into a rallying point for Coral Gables and they run the table out with only one more loss for the season, win the ACC and receive the BCS bid...

Meanwhile UF is one of only two one loss teams who have similiar wins over similiar opponents...

All the sudden that 3 points to "cover the spread" becomes highly important and the Coral Gables win becomes a MAJOR factor in their SOS withthe computers...

And no offense, TT, but the BCS doesn't use your book making formula so I'm not sure why you would even bring that up...

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 1 year ago

Sorry, TT, I didn't state my point clearly enough. I don't think that USC intentionally runs up the score, I think it just happens naturally, them being so deep and all. I didn't see the game with Virginia, but Carroll would have to be mad to keep Sanchez in the whole game with his health status and a lead like that.

I always thought that Oklahoma and Nebraska were the ones running up the score, historically. But since I didn't watch the games, I don't know specifically how or why...

Tommy_Trojan · 1 year ago

WEA:

Our 5th string RB is Marc Tyler (nations best out of high school) and the 6th string RB is none other than Broderick Green (who is supposedly running over the top of Rey Maualuga as we speak). What are you gonna do? You got to hand it off to somebody. Our 2nd and 3rd teams are gonna beat most teams 1st strings. But, most of those other teams have brought in their reserves by then also. So, the game appears to be pretty much the same. The one thing that Carroll does do is to limit the number of passes that are thrown by the reserve QB's. But, this limits what game experience the reserve WR's can get. Another coach may want for his reserve WR's to get the opportunity to catch some balls. All I know is that USC does not seem to want to do that.

TigerEducated · 1 year ago

Except Stanford's...and Oregon's...

Right?

Edited after realizing how long the Cricket's Chirped after I made this response to the Boi From Troy about his team's stellar performance against the Cardinal

Jon · 1 year ago

There are a lot of things that hinge on the stats of the game.

Heisman. Poll voter perception.

If I was Tebow, I would have said, "Until we get a playoff system, we are going to do whatever we think is in the best interst of the UF football program. We just watched USC jump Georgia in the polls -- scores weren't relevant in this?"

And meh to the bastard who took my login name :-p

Clemson_Joe · 1 year ago

What was your login name?

Jon · 1 year ago

BTW - Gatorhippy -- I've had my fill of crow from last year... and it tasted like ass. I think I'll go up to Harry's and order me some Gator tail after this next one -- 11/29/08 RIP

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

Agreed...

I've eaten my share...

It never tastes like chicken...

Lennie Collins · 1 year ago

I guess Coach Shannon and Coach Meyers won't be (butt) buddies after this!

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

LMAO...

Lennie Collins · 1 year ago

I had to say it!

Ramblin' Gator · 1 year ago

Paraphrasing Wilford Brimley...

That joke will never get old and it will never die.

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 1 year ago

Also, to paraphrase Wilford Brimley: Quaker Oats: It's the right thing to do...

That ought to just about cover it, eh? Any other WB quotes we passed up?

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

So should I send some oatmeal to Meyer while I'm at the post office mailing my cheese to Randy?

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 1 year ago

Perhaps some diabetic testing supplies might be more practical...

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

If we throw in some short term life insurance and the two seasons of "Our House" on Beta...

An entire Brimley Gift Basket could be put together...

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 1 year ago

Don't forget a big, bushy fake moustache..

Ramblin' Gator · 1 year ago

Now, I'll paraphrase Tom Hanks...

There's no crying in football!!

(I'm talking to you, Randy Shannon.)

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

Careful what you say there, RG...

Don't forget there was a certain Heisman Winning Sophmore QB crying after the LSU game last season...

Along with a certain MNC winning coach crying after a LSU loss three seasons ago...

Ramblin' Gator · 1 year ago

Hmm... good point.

There's no whining in football.

That one could be trouble too, since Michigan fans think Meyer whined his way into the BCSCG. How about...

There's no winning in college football blogging.

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 1 year ago

The precedent of paraphrasing and quoting Tom Hanks on fanblogs has long been established, RG.

Could you come up with something more original? More like the Wilford Brimley quote. That was original. OBSCURE, but original...

:-)

Ramblin' Gator · 1 year ago

You want originality? On fanblogs??

If I had a nickel for every time some moron posted the non-word "gaytors" on this site I could buy Rivals and block the repetitive drumbeat of homophobia. >:-)

However, point taken - I'll try to come up with something more original in the future.

This whole discussion thread is a strange one for me. I respect Randy Shannon for many reasons, not the least of which is that he says what's on his mind, no BS. In this case, I think he said too much though. UF/Miami has been a tempestuous rivalry as long as I can remember, so there's really no point in getting your panties in a wad over a late FG. Oops, am I getting homophobic now? :-)

GA_Boy · 1 year ago

Ramblin G
I personally have always preferred the almost as popular "gayturds" myself. I feel I can say that you see because of the many times I have been called gayboy on here.

GO DAWGS!

Ramblin' Gator · 1 year ago

FWIW, I don't know about others, but I have only referred to you as "GAy_Boy" after you have first posted something about the "gayturds" on this site. Personally, I would prefer to avoid all the name-calling, but fair is fair and paybacks are a bee-yotch!

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

Hmmmm...

Turds have a sexual orientation?

Who knew...

Porcine · 1 year ago

I guess it would be the ones you just can't squeeze out.

Ramblin' Gator · 1 year ago

I was looking for a quote from The Thing, but WB didn't have any memorable quotes in that one. Too bad - that movie is badazz!

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 1 year ago

If you're talking John Carpenter, then you're on!

First one: You've got to be f*cking kidding..." 2:03

Second one: "I know you gentlemen have been through a lot, but when you find the time, I'd rather not spend the rest of this winter TIED TO THIS F'ING COUCH!" 8:18

One badazz movie, indeed...

Zac · 1 year ago

I've always liked Charlton Heston in Gray Lady Down, "I'm begining to feel like a one legged man in an a$$ kicking contest!" Not all the original either, but fitting.

Lennie Collins · 1 year ago

This is got to be in the Top 10 in coaches "off the wall" comments!

Zac · 1 year ago

Amen, brother!!!

Lennie Collins · 1 year ago

Coach Shannon's comments showed me something about his coaching. If you are winning against us(Miami) you should let up and take it easy on us! Boy, I take that back it's got to be #1.

Regan · 1 year ago

Shannon's point was that UF had a 20 point lead and was trying to throw 20-yard Touchdown passes with under 1 minute to go in the 4th Quarter.

I agree with Shannon that that was not cool. I also agree that it really isn't that big of a deal, since A) FLA only had 23 points, and B) This is what you expect when playing a hated Rival.

I suspect that Shannon's comments were more offhanded; he is not a 'whiner'. The media loves a story, but Shannon isn't someone to whine about...well...anything.

NCAA Fan · 1 year ago

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think you can expect a team to respect you as a coach if you tell them to drive all the way down the field and then take a knee. I don't see how it teaches your team the perserverance it takes to win in college football today. You have to play until the last whistle blows.

Sadly, it doesn't seem that Shannon felt the same lesson was important for his defense to learn. They did a great job through three quarters and because they made a few mistakes or started to run out of steam in the fourth quarter, they should give up because the other team should lay off? I don't get it. If anything, a program like the Canes' that is rebuilding is just as much in need of playing defense until the bitter end as a team like UF that plays in a very tough conference needs to play offense until the end.

Regan · 1 year ago

I didn't say they should have taken a knee, and neither did Shannon.

I'm guessing you didn't actually see the game - Florida was throwing 20/25-yard passes into the End Zone hurried as the clock ticked under 1 minute in the 4th while up by 20 points.

There is a bit of a middle ground between that and taking a knee.

The POINT is that Florida was desperately trying to make the final score 30-3; Shannon just called them on it.

For the record, I agree with yall - 26 really isn't that much of a big 'sportsmanship' problem (it was a Rivalry Game, for cryin' out loud).

However, I am standing up for Randy Shannon on this one because what he's trying to do is rally the fan base around south Florida.

Take a gander at Randy Shannon the man, his background, coaching style, and the road he has had to get to where he is now - he's no "whiner".

Funny enough, I pretty much agree with most of what you said after the first sentence, though.

The defense held their own in the last drive, holding Florida to a FG...eh...maybe the fact they held is why I'm not so bothered...

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

I'm guessing you didn't actually see the game - Florida was throwing 20/25-yard passes into the End Zone hurried as the clock ticked under 1 minute in the 4th while up by 20 points.

Apparently you didn't either, Reagan, or you're just making stuff up in a lame attempt to make your point...

According to the drive chart at both ESPN and
Gatorzone, we see that the Gators returned Coral Gables punt to the sixteen and began their drive with almost a full two minutes left with the clock reading 1:56...

They completed one pass for nine yards to the Supersonic Midget at the UCG 9 and then tossed another into the right flat for Louis "Gag Order" Murphy; whose butterfingers through the first three quarters did more to keep Coral Gables in it than the Canes' defensive play; which was incomplete...

Meyer then ran K-Mo for a loss and opted to give the kicker a chip shot for game experience heading into SEC play in two weeks...

So please explain to me how UF was throwing 20-25 yard passes to the endzone when they only had 16 yards to go...

Especially when the the play-by-play clearly shows that that the Gators never took a shot at the endzone through the air on that last drive...

Regan · 1 year ago

I watched the game, gatorhippy, all the way through.

I overestimated the yardage on the passes. My bad.

Did you by any chance catch any of the posts I've made where I said it really wasn't that big of a deal?

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

If its not that big of a deal then why are you still talking about it?

Let's be real here...

It IS a big deal...

And will continue to be a big deal leading up to the 2013 game at which point it will become an EVEN bigger deal...

Regan · 1 year ago

Because I am just like that when one of my teams are called out, nothing more :)

I expect nothing less from Gator Nation if the roles were reversed.

From my understanding, Miami and Florida will have plenty of "big deals" to have against each other from throughout the last 75 years or so, one more will blend in seamlessly to enhance an already great rivalry.

What's not to like?

1Tomcat · 1 year ago

Ya so what? Man up dude, better stop them before it gets ugly. I really dont see anything wrong.
Alot can happen in one minute and why not whup Miami as bad as possible.
Ask Mike Leach, Bob Stoops,or Mark Mangino to go easy on ya- they are gonna stomp you in the ground and brag about their lopsided victory through the ages- no mercy for anybody
Remember the Movie Unforgiven- Richard Harris says why not run up the score on Miami it is after all Miami.

Big B · 1 year ago

All I can say is, then lets put an end to the whinning about the UGA celebration. Neither running up the score NOR overly celebrating are doing anything but rubbing the opponents nose in it. But, given the stance of both Meyer and Tebow, then they should have stopped UGA from getting in the endzone in the first place instead of crying over the storming of the field and the published (in his book) vow that he will never get over it and will seek revenge.

That said, I will reiterate that, not only is Tebow and Meyer's logic flawed on this, they and UGA were both wrong from a sportsmanship perspective. I am man enough to admit it for my dogs, and hope that others can admit it for UF. Heck, if they had scored a TD, that would have been different because taking a knee five plays earlier wouldn't have killed the clock. However, once it is 25 secs to go and fourth down (I didn't see it, but assume they didn't kick on third down), take a knee and be sportsmen OR score again and expect similarly unsportsmanlike plays against you. However, you can't whine when it happens against you, and then say it is OK when you do it. That, by definiteion, is a tad hypocritical.

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

I'll disagree here, Big B...

While both might be questionable sportsmanship wise...

There is nothing against the rules about kicking a field goal late with a 20 point lead...

Sending your entire team on the field is not only against the rules, but also irresponsible as that incident could have easily escelated into an ugly, ugly bench clearing brawl resulting in injury to more than one player or coach had it turned into such...

Huge difference between the two, IMO...

Big B · 1 year ago

Actually I think you agree with me, and I with you. If the complaint about UGA had been based on the injury possibility or if that Georgia should have been penalized but wasn't, then you are correct: it would be a different case, and I would be the first to admit it. I am talking purely from the sportsmanship angle (and really just trying to show that, if the "keep them out of the endzone" justification applies to sportsmanship arguments, it stands the rule on its head).

As for the celebration itself, I wish the situation had been reversed...but only because it would mean UF was finally celebrating some success after 18 rather meager years against us. Gators should be flattered that we felt it necessary to celebrate a lead in a game. A couple more years, and the same thing might have happened on the first FIRST DOWN of the game!

Zac · 1 year ago

This brings up a different subject entirely, but far too much is being made of "excessive celebrations". It's one thing when an entire team runs into the end-zone following their offense having scored. It's another, when 2 guys on the same team congratulate each other, one for making a great throw, the other for making a great catch, and hardly any time is lost as a result. It's completely a another thing altogether, when a team scores, and one or more members of that offense express to one or more members of the opposing defense what they can do with said defense.

The 1st arguably wastes time. Therefore, a delay of game penalty (5 yards) is probably warranted. The 2nd harms no one. Therefore, no penalty should be assessed. The 3rd constitutes unsportsmanlike conduct, and gets 15 yards. The NCAA really needs to get their $hit straight when it comes to what individual players, a few players, or large groups of players are doing, when they do it, that fair judgment may be assessed, if necessary AND ONLY when it's necessary.

Which brings me to the circumstances at the end of BYU at WA: That call was stupid. There is no other explanation for it, nor was there any excuse. That said, if the snap & hold are good, and a starting kicker still can't get it through the up-rights looking straight on from 18 yards away, maybe he should lose his scholarship.

castillo · 1 year ago

It's a rivalry game...who isn't going to want to score as many points against a hated rival? I think it's much ado about nothing. Same for the UGA celebration last year. Being a Gator fan and alum, it irked me when they did it; for about 2 seconds! Then I thought it was a brilliant play by Richt to get his team in the game and keep their boot on the Gators throats. Again, it's a rivalry game and you're playing to the fans and to their emotions (plus, it makes a great storyline).

Lastly, until there is a playoff system or a better ranking mechanism in place, higher scores will be had whenever possible. After all, it is still a beauty contest to get into the BCS championship game!

TheProfessor · 1 year ago

Wasn't the pointspread 22 1/2?! Not hard to figure out.

Ramblin' Gator · 1 year ago

Ask Ohio State if style points matter. Ask Auburn the same question, then ask Boise State. As long as invitations to the national title game are given by voters with personal perceptions, competitive teams will do their best to beat the spread, especially when they are a top 5 team that was held in check for 3 quarters by an unranked team.

One must also call into question Miami's own record for sportsmanship. Even without measuring all their off-field shenanigans and without a great winning record, the Canes could be accused of RUTSing in just the last few years. Shannon may not be a fan of Gator, but he seems to be a fan of Crocodile (tears).

Captain Pot, meet Captain Kettle. Captain Kettle...

TampaGator · 1 year ago

[Moved.]

TampaGator · 1 year ago

"...But it helped us. It helped us more than you'll ever know...."
--Coach Randy Shannon

Nope....you whining about it, and giving a slap-hand shake at the end of the game will hurt you [in recruiting], more than you may ever know.

It was a non-issue. Spurrier would have thrown the ball in the corner of the endzone on 4th down, not settled for a field goal--as he did against FSU when the game was 45-20 with under 2 mins to go in the Sugar Bowl.

Shannon whining about a FG? That's an issue.


GO GATORS!!

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

There is no doubt in my mind Spurrier would have thrown it on fourth down...

Then probably gone for two if he scored just to break 30...

PrinceMarko · 1 year ago

This is not Urban Meyer's fault.

The way the BCS system is set up, you have to blow teams out. Lloyd Carr played gentleman for years and was passed over in the polls for not showing how dominant his team was over an opponent. If Florida kept it to say.. 16-3 or something close, the pollsters wouldnt have moved them up at all in the polls.

This shows me exactly what is wrong with the BCS and why we need a playoff system.

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

Agreed...

Whipping out my trusty equine beating cudgel...

A playoff system pitting the eleven current conference champs and five at large squads determined by win percentage and SOS based on their opponents' win percentage certainly eliminates style points and places the emphasis on where it belongs...

On field performance...

Just don't think that will help Randy anytime soon...

PrinceMarko · 1 year ago

I totally agree with the Conference champs being in a playoff and even let the computers and pollsters pick the at-large 5 best from the rest.

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

I'd prefer to keep opinion out of it...

Using win % and a tie breaker using SOS based on Opponents win % effectively does so...

Big B · 1 year ago

Gatorhippy for BCS Commissioner. The tournament of champions is the only way to settle it, while also avoiding crap like that Co-Big Ten Camp garbage.

Regan · 1 year ago

....don't....go....there....please....

Let's keep this civilized, and away from a Playoff discussion until Kev provides us all with a Playoff Thread; we shouldn't rip this one to pieces...

Kevin @ Fanblogs · 1 year ago

Amen. I would rather listen to you guys talk about plucking your eyebrows than that other thing.

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

I don't pluck...

I wax...

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 1 year ago

Playoff threads are for the off-season. Uniform and eyebrow plucking threads are for the fall...

Oh, my unibrow...

cdogg · 1 year ago

The better team clearly one......as as Canes fan I do not have a problem with anything. I'm proud of the defense and ashamed of the offense.

go Canes!

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

C-Dogg, What happened???

I told you to hit me up in August...

I had access to some extra tix...

cdogg · 1 year ago

Totally forgot about that. Hey...maybe we can meet up when they play in a bowl game vs. each other. I have a feeling that will happen before they play again in 2013.

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

Especially if the Gators don't get their running game together...

PrinceMarko · 1 year ago

Your defense is up and coming and your QB Marve is a winner, your RB's are good too. You guys are just young and inexperienced to take on a team like Florida right now.

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

Marko, the Miami "Youth Factor" has been a common misconception about this game all along...

Go back and look at the starting lineups from Saturday's game...

The truth is here in Dooley's column this morning...

"Miami started 13 seniors and juniors Saturday night. Florida started 12 sophomores. Florida is the only team in the SEC with no senior starters on defense. Miami started four seniors on defense and eight of its 22 starters were seniors.

The truth is that Florida is a younger team than Miami.

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

In further comment to that article...

I wonder how much cheese actually shows up at Shannon's house now...

PrinceMarko · 1 year ago

Really? Would have never known that.

My question is, how many of the Hurricanes had actual game experience vs the Gators experience?

I know the Gators have started a lot of youth last year.

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

They actually returned around the same number of starters from last season on both sides of the ball from what I read in pre-game capsules...

Of course, having the Heisman trophy winner in your backfield vs a RS freshmne that hasn't taken a live game snap in a year and a half is probably a slight advantage...

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

And yes...

I fully realize I said I was staying out of this...

But I couldn't resist since it seems civility is reigning...

I'd like to say thanks all around to everybody keeping their cool on this thread so far...

Gatorader · 1 year ago

Wow. That is a lot of posts for a non-issue. The kicker hasn't tried for a FG all season. The offence obviously needs some work. They have 60 minutes of time to work against a real opponent. Plus, it is a numbers game to get into the National Championship, right? This isn't the NFL and there is no playoff system in place, so Miami should probably stop whinning and work on scoring more.

Gatorboy41 · 1 year ago

I really had a lot or respect for R Shannon until now. You get beat, and you blame the guy that beat you. I think that it's a pretty fair statement to say that maybe the score never should have been that close from the start. I never believed in such a thing called running the score up. I am a active duty Marine of over 20 years. I believe that in any contest, war, fight, game, ect, you should deminish your opponents will to fight. Same thing applies, if the Gators gets beat.

The Gator offense was never hitting on all 8 cylinders the entire game, and then towards the end things started coming together. So it's logic to think that Meyer wanted to see the offense perform to his expectation before he pulled back the throttle.

Shannon, cry me a river. Go chew out your OC, for not being able to get in the end zone, or is that Shannon himself.

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

While I am not sure your game philosophy applies to strip poker, it certainly applies to football.

grcunning · 1 year ago

It's really interesting that all the SEC fans here are saying that running up the score to:

A) Humiliate your opponent
B) Beat the spread
C) Convince voters that didn't see the game that you were dominant, when in actuality you stunk up the field for 3 quarters.

is a wonderful thing to do.
The bottom line is that these aren't professional football players, they are kids, 99% of which won't end up playing pro ball. Having a coach teach them that the best thing to do in life is totally disrespect your opponent, and kick them in the head when they are down is a disgrace. Any decent coach with some "class" would have taken a knee.

One interesting note though. Once, when Woody Hayes had just scored a touchdown in the last seconds to beat Michigan, instead of kicking the extra point, he went for two. When asked after the game why he did it, he responded "Because I couldn't go for three"

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

To add to that, GRC...

Meyer has a picture of Hayes hanging in his office and grew up a Buckeye fan during the Hayes years...

Coincidence then that he decided to kick the 3 pointer?

Or was he just following the "WWWD" mantra...

Gatorboy41 · 1 year ago

Kids???? More like young men. Look at some of thier rap sheets. They can make millions of dollars (some declare the draft after thier 2nd year) but they can't take it when a team purely out perform them. How is running up the score, disrespect? You are kidding RIGHT? Maybe a lesson on '" this is how to conduct yourself when a team is much better than yours" is what they need. So in a baseball game, and you lead you opponent 9-1, it's last ending. Do you tell your power hitter not to hit the gram-slam, because you might hurt their feeling.

Stunk up the field, HOLD THAT THOUGHT. So if the score is 26-3 in a winning effort, and you call it stinking up the field? So what do you call 41-14 in a losing effort by a supposely NC contender, that gets VIOLATED by a team, that was not suppose to be there????

"BC" · 1 year ago

Here's my view:
A coach is always preaching to his players to play for a full 60 minutes.
I think a coach should coach for 60 minutes.

although i think the offense should be run for a full 60 minutes, i think if the game is "in hand," that mass substitutions should take place. let some of the other guys that work hard in practice see the field.
are you really gonna whine because your opponent ISNT quitting?
maybe you should be more concerned with YOUR team that IS quitting.

now obviously there is a line.
once the game is "in hand" the offense shouldn't be running trick plays, or doing anything out of the ordinary.

here's another thing: if a team wants to let up, or run out the clock, they're doing you a favor, and you should be greatful. if a team wants to play for 60 minutes, they have every right to do so and you definitely don't have the right to criticize them for NOT playing.

remember when you were little and you would face-off against your dad in some kind of competition?
and you would get mad at him if he wasn't trying his hardest, or running his fastest.
that's called pride.
Randy Shannon - HAVE SOME.

grcunning · 1 year ago

Wow, I find myself agreeing with you as far as a team playing 60 minutes, but I don''t agree that Miami was quitting. They were just completely outmatched as the 4th quarter wore on.
A team should play for 60 minutes, but when the game is already decided, the winning team should take the opportunity to give some subs game experience. Those kids work just as hard in practice. What do you tell them, "Sorry you couldn't play, we were only ahead by two touchdowns with 5:00 left"?
What I saw wasn't a team that knew they already won, and were working on parts of their game...what I saw was a team desperately trying to score extra points, with their "Superstar" heaving balls into the end zone to pad his stats.
Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I believe in sportsmanship, and respecting your opponent, win or lose. I respected FL and LSU, even after they gave us a pasting..because they played hard, and earned the victory.
I'm pretty impartial person in this, I could care less about Miami or Florida, I was just totally disgusted at what I saw, which in my opinion was "no class"

Now I have to find a new SEC team to root for in the conference. Maybe Ky. I know that they don't really have a chance, but Brian Hartline's little brother is QB there.
Maybe the Tide, I like teams with a long winning tradition.

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

A team should play for 60 minutes, but when the game is already decided, the winning team should take the opportunity to give some subs game experience. Those kids work just as hard in practice. What do you tell them, "Sorry you couldn't play, we were only ahead by two touchdowns with 5:00 left"?

So doesn't that go for kickers too?

What I saw wasn't a team that knew they already won, and were working on parts of their game...what I saw was a team desperately trying to score extra points, with their "Superstar" heaving balls into the end zone to pad his stats.

Really? Because I saw a team that tried to run the ball and was unsuccessful (as they had been ALL night) and was forced to throw the ball in order to keep possession and run down the clock.

Jon · 1 year ago

I've been posting under "Jon" for a long time...Before there were logins... Late 2003- early 2004... when I started bitching about Jeff Bowden weekly.

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 1 year ago

Glad to see that your bitching paid off, Jon...

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

The Gators own the scoreboard and that's that.

Well of course the Gators own the scoreboard...

UF owns it's entire stadium...

Coral Gables?

Not so much, but I heard they got a great lease...

PrinceMarko · 1 year ago

I dont understand rival SEC fans rooting for other SEC schools....

Ohio State doesnt root for Michigan and Michigan doesnt root for Ohio State.

USC doesnt root for UCLA and UCLA doesnt root for USC.

I guess thats just the SEC's insecurity with themselves.

TampaGator · 1 year ago

I beg to differgree...

Herbstreit went to and played for Tosu...yet he went to bat hardest for Michigan to play Tosu for NC in 06....

...read grunning's and Tom Blogical's posts--both Tosu guys--both go to bat for the B10 constantly, no matter if it's for Michigan, or Tosu....

...Tommy Trojan, the Mayor, that guy who used to post on here--SoCal "X" (X being a variable)--post(ed) for the PAC 10....

IMO, the phenomenom to which you refer is hardly reserved to the SEC--we're just more conspicous about it, because we've been given the most reason to be--of late, at least.

One other point: conference debates have been going on for years, as CFB is by its nature, quite regionalized....however, it seems like ever since the BCS system was first implemented, it's become far more accute.

...so don't even pretend that when you see an ILL, or a Wisc'y, or Iowa, take the field against a southern school--that you arent' pulling hard for that B10 team. Ain't buyin it...you want your big, fat, corn-fed, 3 yards and a cloud of dust, midwestern brand of football to prevail over that lightning quick superfast, exciting southern style football everytime, don't you!


GO GATORS!!

Tommy_Trojan · 1 year ago

TG:

I don't post for the PAC-10. I could care less about the PAC. I put them 3rd behind the SEC and Big 12 - that's it. What do I care about the PAC? I want to join the SEC. I hate all PAC teams the same. I post for the Trojans and that's it. If I do like certain teams in certains years - I'll mention that. I thought that last years Oregon team was pretty good until Dixon went down. I lost money on them when I picked South Florida to beat them in the bowl game. I have never made the argument that the PAC was the best conference. I have claimed that they may have even been 2nd on a couple of occasions. I am not a PAC-10 homer and never will be.

TampaGator · 1 year ago

Noted.

Here's how I see it: we're either all biased, or none of us are, depending on the standard applied.


GO GATORS!!

Kevin @ Fanblogs · 1 year ago

Amen. (Except for that last part.) :-)

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

Point I was going to make for you; before Tommie attempted to make everyone here stupider with that moronic dribble; was this...

You need those teams to win those games as it only helps your squad...

The BCS has bred this: In a perfect world all of your regular season opponents; conference and non; for the year would have only one loss (to you) and be undefeated for the year otherwise while your team reamins undefeated....

In that ideal scenario, your team will then have acheived a huge boost in the computer ratings through SOS, your opponents rankings, etc...

However, we all know that can't happen...

So, while I hate UGA I certainly want them undefeated and them I certainly want them to win out after getting beat by the Gators (Not saying that is what will happen) as that certainly bodes well for UF...

In other words, you want those teams that are on your schedule rivalry or not to win as many games as they can to help you out...

Get it?

Tommy_Trojan · 1 year ago

(The Artist formerly known as...)Marko:

It's called "transferrence". It's a psychiatric term for a condition that is usually acquired through extreme pain and humiliation. You got to keep in mind, that most of these guys great-great grandpappy's ashes still sit in a urn on the mantle over the fireplace, just below the Confederate flag. The disgrace of losing that war has never gone away. The battle cry has always been that, "the South will rise again"! And, it almost did when "the Klan" became the most powerful political party in the US of A. But, the Justice Department put an end to that in the 60's, for their own political gains. Henceforth, great grand-pappy took his spot in a urn, just below the Confederate flag. Now, SEC football is seen as the last stand for the confederacy. They are gonna continue to fight that same old battle on the football field. I can guarantee you that if any SEC head football coach ran for President of the United States - he'd take every state in the south easy. Even if his name was Nutt.

TampaGator · 1 year ago

The Klan was moribund if not dead by the 60's; the last time they were a power was in the 30's, and for all the publicity of the Klan in the South--it was everywhere, and in many cases worse in the Midwest and up North, than down South (in fact, the Klan was imported to the South from the North). What's more, the Klan was originally organzied as an anti-Catholic organization (under the guise of being pro-American, and pro-Christian/WASP)--not an anti black organization. The racial of the Klan was a later mutation.

As for the Confederate connection to the SEC---it's pretty flimsy. Yes, Southerners do take some pride in what the confederacy stood for (or should I say, stood UP for)--which is States' rights (not slavery, which was already outlawed, and the only slavery that remained, was that which was "grandfathered" in--i.e.--the slaves already on the plantations). The Civil War was fought over the more republican original design of the republic, versus its federalist aspect--representing the majority states' collective ability to dictate their will onto states with lesser representation, without regard to how those states might lawfully elect to be governed....but none of that really comes in to play, with SEC football.

What motivates SEC fanaticism, is nothing more than plain, good ol' fashioned, standard-faire regionalism. We root for other southern teams because we have more in common with them, than we have with left-coasters, Yankees/New Englanders, midwesterners, southwesterners, or any other region.

So please stop imputing the mental image you have of those 3 ignorant rebel flag waiving, racist buffoons in their pick-up truck whom you ran into back in 1977, and which you appear to have engraved in your mind, to define the culture of an entire region of the US.

...and brush up on your history, will you?


GO GATORS!!

Regan · 1 year ago

Before I start - I have lived in South Carolina all my life and love grits and sweet tea as much as anyone, but from my take, both of yall are right - from different vantages.

I won't go into the reasons the Civil War happened; that won't help.

TampaGator hit the nail on the head when he mentioned "Regionalism". Pure and simple, Regionalism is far more pronounced in the South for many reasons, many of which stem from the Civil War, but more importantly the Reconstruction era.

Put simply - No One takes kindly to being looked down upon, and few can disagree that the South (as a whole) has been looked down upon by the rest of America ever since the Civil War.

Sometimes deservedly (no one can reasonably defend the practice of slavery), but regardless, there is only so much any reasonable person can take of being heckled by the pervading culture before elements of social rebellion arise.

As far as the South's obsession with football goes, it goes back to 1925.

Back then, CFB was ruled by the likes of the elite schools like Harvard, Yale, Michigan, Stanford, etc. The South was seen as a cultural backwater, whose football teams could not compete any more with the elite northern and western teams than they could win the perverbial academic debate with the elite universities of America.

This is how CFB started, and this is the way it was when Alabama was invited to the Rose Bowl (after 2 other teams turned the date down) to play an undefeated powerhouse Washington team.

Alabama won: 20-19.

Suddenly, Southerners who have known little but generational poverty and economic oppression at the hands of carpetbaggers, etc. were just as good at something up there at the elite level as the 'more sophisticated' rest of the nation.

CFB was regionally to the South what it was generally to Notre Dame - the rise of the underdog that rose to be the champion.

To quote Stonewall Jackson, "Yall had it coming." :)

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

Tommie, that entire passage displays an ignorance that is irrefutably peerless here at Fanblogs heretofore...

It's founded on conjecture, stereotypes and gross generalizations that have a very small amount to do with the modern South; as more and more transplants from all directions in the U.S. have surged into the region creating a colorful salmagundi of American culture not found elsewhere in this nation...

I, for one, find it offensive and disgusting to think that someone that claims to be educated from an institution of higher learning could actually even arrive at such a bigoted and banal platitude much less actually promulgate said thoughts in a public forum...

That you would even begin to compare support of trivial athletic contests to the atrocities of slavery and the resulting strife filled rift of one of our Union's darkest hours displays your insensitivity and lack of respect for any and all who had anscestors on either side of that tragic holocaust and those whose forefathers endured the prolonged anguish and privation of a genocidal nightmare brought on to them not only by avaricious & penurious caucasions pursuing their self-enttitled "American Dream" by route of cheap labor; but ushered down such a fiendish trottoir by those of their very own ethnicity for their own accumulation of affluence and noteriety...

Your obtuse remarks carry such a stench of uneducated and irresponsible sociological conjecture that I can only hope your offsprings' free thinking hasn't been tainted beyond reproach by your ridiculously prejudiced and parochial cognation enabling the furthering of such sectarian personificattion...

In short, sir, you have truly revealed yourself to be an alimentaric aperature of pythonic coital proportions...

Or as we like to say in the South...

A HUGE EFFIN' @$$HOLE!

Tommy_Trojan · 1 year ago

GatorHippy:

Get some therapy, dude! Your way too sensitive. But, I am impressed with all of the big words. I really doubt if the dude that I responded to could have possibly understood what I was talking about - and clearly you don't either. All you really did is turn a joke into reality. I rest my case....

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

All you really did is turn a joke into reality. I rest my case....

So admittedly racsim, genocide, ethnic oppression and regional sterotypes are a joke to you...

I rest MYcase...

Tommy_Trojan · 1 year ago

GH:

I never mentioned any of those topics. Where do you get that from? I only mentioned some factual history about the south. What went on behind the scenes of those events - I never mentioned. And, I wasn't there or involved. So, you can just leave me smooth out of all of that. Now, the psychosis joke, I did do. But, man, that's just in fun. The other stuff isn't my problem. Every region has it's thing. You want to talk about "freaks in Hollywood". I'm not going to come undone over it. It's really happening. California is about as crazy a place as you'd ever want to see - if you got behind the scenes and wasn't just hangin' out at Disneyland. Make all the jokes you like. I could really care less.

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

I only mentioned some factual history about the south.

Really? Only FACTUAL history about the South, huh?

I'll give you a few moments to retract that statement before I rip it apart...

If TE doesn't beat me to it...

TigerEducated · 1 year ago

He jumped into a pool that's far deeper than he actually thought it was when he stumbled upon our little slice of the collegiate football landscape...

I assure you, responding anymore to him at this point-on an intellectual level, as opposd to a CFB related posting one-is not worth your time, as its obvious most of the Huckleberry's he'd find here are a few paygrades above him...

My style is normally a little heavy-handed, but he's a glutton for punishment, and my metaphor/creative writing well is pretty dry after 9pm, and still at the office...So, have your fun...

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

I'll hold down the fort...

You can finish punting him in the nuts in the morrow if you so wish...

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

Time for your history lesson, Tommy...

You got to keep in mind, that most of these guys great-great grandpappy's ashes still sit in a urn on the mantle over the fireplace, just below the Confederate flag.

No historical signifigance but simply a mass generalization fueled by ignorance...

The disgrace of losing that war has never gone away....

The Civil War was a disgrace and blight upon the entire country as a whole along with the fallout and continued mistreatment and segregation of "free" men whom even in the North were looked down upon for years to come simply because of the color of their skin and in many cases STILL have to navigate it today...

The battle cry has always been that, "the South will rise again"!

Fact is, my misled little friend, that lasted for a few years after the CW which led to brief uprising about five years or so later which was quickly quelled...

While popular among old timers for years, as the "South" grew further from it's agricultural roots, developed industrial and professional arenas and raised it's education level it was heard less and less as "southerenrs" became encompassed with the aforementioned economically and realized that the premise for which they had ceded the Union not so long ago under a thinly veiled excuse of "States Rights" was in fact morally and irreprehensibly wrong; especially as literacy took root...

In fact, most modern Southeners consider that phrase and the flag that accompanies it distasteful, improper and and a slap in the face of the descendants of those who suffered such horrific circumstances and sadistic treatment even in the face of denouncing their own heritage and family history while fully knowing that it can't make up for the atrocities that possibly occurred by their own ancsestors or even more possibly that didn't occur as such given that the number of slave operational plantations were FAR outnumbered by the magnitude of small farmers that could not afford such immoral labor...

In fact, that's where I take such vehement offense at your misspoken and gross generalizations and stereotyping so much so that I can honestly say that had that been said directly in front of me you would have been picking yourself up off the floor wondering why your were tasting your own blood...

And anybody here will tell you, that I certainly don't condone that and a statement like that is totally out of charachter for me...

I don't want to talk "freaks in Hollywood" OR "Southern Stereotypes", chief...

If you want to keep it focused on FOOTBALL and contain your joking and name calling to strictly that, then we have no problems...

But the minute you start profiling and sterotyping whether regionally or ethnically, I'll be right back in your grill...

You can take that for what it's worth...

Tommy_Trojan · 1 year ago

GH:

Really, man, cool out on the Gonj. The 60's are over. My job is to "get a rise out of the south" whenever I can. It provides great entertainment for all the "Yankees" and Westerners that frequent this blog. You don't understand how hysterical this really is. Your mission GatorHippy, should you choose to accept it, is to not give us that satisfaction. Oh, BTW, all my children are being raised in your great Southern Tradition (more than you will ever understand). I do believe that Southern Culture is better than anything else goin' on in this pathetic country. Want to talk politics? You might find that I'm right there with you. My family originated out of Missouri as renegades from the South. The other side of the family is directly descended from Brigham Young. I am not mormon. But, my family is about as anti-Bluecoat as can possibly be, and remains so until this day. When the South does rise again - I'll be down there, or my sons will, like yesterday.

Zac · 1 year ago

Entertained, hell! I'm confused as all get out. I have some familiarity with "Transference" having taken some psychology. But this...this is way over the top.

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

Really, man, cool out on the Gonj. The 60's are over.

More stereotyping, but glad to see you're consistent...

When the South does rise again - I'll be down there, or my sons will, like yesterday.

Personally, if the South "rises again" in the manner from which it has spent the last 150 years attempting to distance itself from I'll be the first one out...

Tommy_Trojan · 1 year ago

GH:

Here's what is really hysterical about your post. I watch football every Saturday with two good ol' boyz from Alabama. Of course we just have got to watch "The Tide Roll". But, if you only knew who these guys are, you'd probably want to check into rehab tomorrow. Things in this life are never what they appear to be.

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

I watch football every Saturday with two good ol' boyz from Alabama.

And let me guess...

Your best friend is a black guy...

Putz...

Tommy_Trojan · 1 year ago

GH:

I don't think so, wood! They all call him the Grand somethinorather. I just call him "the Pig Farmer". You just kill me, son.

Zac · 1 year ago

OK, that last part (the "Huge Effin" thing there), that I understood.

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 1 year ago

Above the fireplace? Hell, his ashes are IN the fireplace...

TigerEducated · 1 year ago

Who says your posts are about nothing!

They're chock full of the same backwards thinking, stereotypical, geographical profiling hypocrisy you're ascribing to the very folks you're posting in reference to...

Awesome!

Hey, Tommy...Kindly exclude Louisiana from your talk about the South in terms of the "redneck" factor...We're the only state in the Union that needed multiple ballots to approve secession, and we also fielded troops for the Union cause...

Look it up...

Oh, wait, don't bother...I can tell from the substance of your posts that while you might spout a few multi-syllabic words, you actually know as much about the subjects you're speaking to here as a Seinfield episode's subject...

Nothing...

Tommy_Trojan · 1 year ago

TE:

You sound like a "liberal democrat" to me. Were you educated at Berkeley or LSU? Funny, the moment they removed "the tree huggers" from the trees in Berkeley, your gonna tell me how proud you are that "Louisiana fielded troops for the Union cause"? Tell it to the American Indian. I'm not too impressed.

TigerEducated · 1 year ago

LOL...

Your powers of divination in terms of my political leanings would have you drilling for water in Saudi Arabia...Or going on a Mormon Mission to save souls...in Salt Lake City, Utah...

Once again, you go off of what things "sound like" instead of asking questions...

Never let your dazzlingly uninformed "assumptive powers" get in the way of you asking questions so you can cease bloviating ignorantly on a message board and getting owned repeatedly by the very folks you wish to cast aspersions at...

Okay...admittedly...Perhaps I'm being a little harsh on you, as you're probably figuring out by now I play your game WAY better than you do...Whether we go above or below the belt, whether its college football, or which floor your intellectual elevator stops at compared to mine...

So, I'll clue you in on a little something...I'm a Registered Independent who leans and votes heavily Republican in my home state in Louisiana, but isn't afraid to vote D when the time comes, as I separate the party from the person...

This is true much moreso on a personal (ie-state and local political) level...National Politics makes me sick, and I vote solidly conservative on that front, though admittedly, both your vote and mine don't count in any Presidential Election (Damn, you Founding Fathers with your mystical Electoral College!)...

Yeah, that's right, you tool, I'm a former Political Science Major at LSU, you hapless boob, you...

Steer clear of the TE, lest you have to toss threats out like a Knight on the road to the Holy Grail sir...I have no use for you threatening to "bite my knees off"...LOL!

Tommy_Trojan · 1 year ago

TE:

Great political stance - and once again you sound brilliant. Too bad you can't seem to get a handle on college football.

This is what I know:

2002 USC 24 Auburn 17
2003 USC 23 Auburn 0
2005 USC 70 Arkansas 17
2006 USC 50 Arkansas 14

That's (4-0) with a scoring margin of 41.7-12.0

2002 Auburn 31 LSU 7
2003 LSU 31 Auburn 7
2005 LSU 19 Arkansas 17
2006 LSU 31 Arkansas 26

That's (3-1) with a scoring margin of 22.0-20.2

Seems to be some kinda disparigy here. Is there something that I missed? Oh yea, other squeekers against Auburn and a loss to Arkansas. I think that until you can handle these teams more effectively - maybe you ought not to run your mouth so hard as to try and convince me that your team is as good as mine.

TigerEducated · 1 year ago

LOL...

So, in 2003, since we had a higher victory margin than you did against Auburn, and you lost to a sub .500 not even bowl eligible Cal team, you were somehow better than we were, in a season where we lost to a 9-4 Florida team who went to a NYD Bowl Game? Spare me...

In 2002, we lost our starting quarterback after we started out 6-1...Sorry about that, but don't let the FACTS get in the way of your daisy-chain logic, here...

In 2003, that same guy came back and LED US TO THE NATIONAL TITLE GAME, and the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP.

In 2005, nobody's saying you weren't a better team...Did I? There will be an ebb and a flow to any year-to-year progress for any program...Sort've like how your sorry band of paid-for superstars and blinder wearing head coach and AD dipped last year, unable to beat the Mighty Fighting Cardinal and their big, bad Band, at HOME...

You also couldn't hold serve on the road against OU, either...

Meanwhile, LSU won both of its games that its backup played the whole way, both at home, and on the road in a neutral environment, WITH A CHAMPIONSHIP ON THE LINE?

We can tit for tat, all we like, or we can look at the bottom line, and throw away lies, damn lies, and college football statistics...

We have won Two National Championships since the advent of the BCS Era...You've won 1...

You say we're scared...LSU says...Why don't you get to the National Title Game like we did and put your money (and your weak stats) where your mouth is?

We backed up what our coach said in the offseason...and after he JOKED about what an easy opponent Stanford is, you worldbeaters went out and LOST TO THEM!

Oh, and by the way...Nice job of avoiding how ridiculously ignorant you are on history, geographic/demographic knowledge, and how much of a soothsaying political analyst you are...

Nice sidestep there...None of us saw that, at all...LOL...

Tommy_Trojan · 1 year ago

TE:

I have to admit - your insanity is beginning to have an affect on me. It always happens whenever I find a "new bitch". She's ok for awhile - but my hands get too sore from tryin' to beat some sense into her. Eventually, I just have to push her and her suitcase out of the truck somewhere.
Nevertheless, the greatest injustice of the BCS system happened in 03'. That was the year that Southern Cal was voted # 1 in both polls - yet mysteriously was left out of the NC game against LSU. Oklahoma, a patsy at the time, was somehow chosen in order to give the SEC a BCS Championship. This one was outright handed to you. Everybody knew it and that's why the AP voted USC # 1 anyway. It was a complete shaft job from the beginning. Likewise in 06'. LSU could not even beat Arkansas, got to play an even weaker Tennessee team in the SEC Championship, and somehow managed to squeak out a win - and was chosen to play in "the Game". What a joke! Oh, and then you finally got to beat some crappy azz team (that we have owned for 35 years - watch on Saturday), and all of a sudden (just like magic) you want to claim that you are in our league. I don't think so my friend. If all I can recall is one win over a pathetic Arizona team and a one-point win over Arizona State (another feeble PAC-10 team) - then I can't quite get you into our classification. Try to straighten me out here. Show me some credentials. I'll show you mine. I'll snap shot Heritage Hall if you like.

TigerEducated · 1 year ago

Weird in that all of the AP voters-and the BCS gurus-said that even if OU lost the Big XII Championship Game, they'd STILL go to the BCSCG...

...and then they did...and they did...

But, it was all a big conspiracy! Yeah! That's the ticket, Tommy! Pull that tinfoil hat down a little more snugly around your ears...

Mel Gibson...Is that you? I always DID think you played that role in "Conspiracy Theory" a little too realistically!

What's hilarious is that YOU brought the '03 Championship up...Everyone else played by the rules they agreed to...and USC whined and made up a national championship...

Then, in 2004, when Auburn went undefeated and got left out, Pete Carroll made no statement in support of Auburn's inclusion into the discussion for a national championship the very next year?

Hmmm.....Dare I say a tad bit of hypocrisy with Pete's comportment and behaviour in the media from one year to the next?

Hurry up and run back and spin this one too...I know you're probably late to get into the Leonard Nimoy autograph line before Happy Hour's over at the Star Trek Convension you're probably on your way to..., but while you run back to your PC and respond, don't go so fast that it blows that tinfoil hat off your head!

Tommy_Trojan · 1 year ago

TE:

That is some funny shit - and I do like it. What's really funny is how your gonna spin half of these dipsticks into believing this crap. What is it that you sell for a living? It's shit to pig farmers, right?

TigerEducated · 1 year ago

I've had my DISQUS account set to respond on auto-pilot once I realized your name is actually Ignatius T. Reilly, sir...

I bid you good evening, and believe me, I harbor your no ill will...I can see that the adage holds true for you, whether its innocent or purposefully stuck with your head in the hand, you are blissfully happy in your own ignorance...

Kevin @ Fanblogs · 1 year ago

I wanna play!!!!!

Merchant Marine beat
Kean who beat
Montclair St who beat
Iona who beat
Duquesne who beat
Robert Morris who beat
Central Conn St who beat
Georgia Southern who beat
Western Carolina who beat
Eastern Kentucky who beat
Western Kentucky who beat
Southern Illinois who beat
Indiana who beat
Western Michigan who beat
Virginia who beat
North Carolina St who beat
Florida St who beat
UCLA who beat
Southern Cal

Go Merchant Marine!!!!!

Tommy_Trojan · 1 year ago

Kevin:

That's pretty good. But, that must have been in 06'. That still leaves Florida as National Champion. Well, I guess that Merchant Marine could have really been # 2. You think they maybe got robbed?

Kevin @ Fanblogs · 1 year ago

TOTALLY!!!!! ;-)

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

as I separate the party from the person...

National Politics makes me sick...

though admittedly, both your vote and mine don't count in any Presidential Election...

Damn you, Corndogger...

You make it hard for me to dislike you when you start talking like that...

That sounds alot like the tirade I laid down to some chums at the pub the other day...

Choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil - Jerry Garcia

TigerEducated · 1 year ago

If good men do nothing in the face of evil, then that is evil enough-Ben Kingsley at the end of the Jean Claude Van Damme classic Video Game turn Action Movile, Street Fighter

No, seriously...I have always taken a keen interest in local politics, and if ever I lived in a state to take advantage of that, it's the peculiar and oft-percolating climate of Louisiana...

I used to work for the Alcohol Lobby in Louisiana as a college student, and oh...the stories I could tell...I always loved that...Politics...and booze...that is...

Gatorboy41 · 1 year ago

Do Sylvester Croom, as for running for president??? Dude, how can you link the SEC to racism and politics. What makes the SEC any different from any other conference, other than they are (arguable) the best conference. I am having a hard time believing that the above statement came from an adult with common sense. Most sports news anchors, are always complimenting the SEC coaches strictly because of their ability to coach as a whole conference. Dude,,,,GET A LIFE!!!!!!!

Tommy_Trojan · 1 year ago

TG:

It's a joke, son! But, really, great post. Good history there. I do think that it all originated in Indiana or Ohio if I'm not mistaken and spread to everywhere. But, hey, you gotta have some fun on here. I lived for a year in Louisiana when I was a young buck. My mental image of the south involves extreme drunkeness and lots of naked women. Other than that - I don't think I caught too much else that was happening. I do remember that it was hot and that I could not drink enough wine to combat the humidity.

TampaGator · 1 year ago

What can I say...I'm easily baited.

I remember you posting some time ago that you'd lived in the South--that's where the "mental image" comment came from.

...but you can't pretend to be surprised by the nature of the response you're getting though. Throwing an accelerant onto burning coals, will almost always cause a flame up. Jest or nay, associating the Klan with the Confederacy, then with the SEC...that's what I'd call an accelerant--the coals---Southern Man...

...not exactly in short supply on this site.


GO GATORS!!

Tommy_Trojan · 1 year ago

TG:

Not surprised at all. It's the reason Kevin made the post. It's always gonna be that way when the Trojans are called on the carpet. I'm just the last Trojan left standin', man. You know that. And, as always, I'm gonna get in there and mix it up. I just hope like hell that we get to "play it off" someday. Even if we did win, no matter who we played, I'd always consider that an elite SEC team was right there with us. I'd just like one shot....

TampaGator · 1 year ago

I missed the part where the Trojans were called out onto the carpet...thought it was the Gators for hanging a tre on the canes with game in hand, and a minute & change left...

...but I agree with the second part: I'd love to see SEC Champ v. the Trojans. It's been a long time brewing.

b/t/w: I stand corrected by WEA--first KKK apparently did start in South, and was begun so as a result of Civil War--so your connecting the 2, much to my chagrin, is fair game (my info. concerned subsequent incarnation of Klan, which was not related to Civila War); seems I'm the one who needs to brush up on my history--though I stand by the rest of my post.


GO GATORS!!

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 1 year ago

Just a historical clarification here: the golden age of the Klan was the 1920s and the state most infested with it was Indiana, of all places. Yes, the Klan did originate in the south, innocuously enough as a fraternity, but it soon took on a different shape and purpose.

Okay, let's change the subject now...

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

Nope...

I won't digress that part of the subject any further with a long passage...

Winston Groom gave you part of the answer...

And the Hippy is here like Paul Harvey to provide you with the rest of the story...

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 1 year ago

Groom and Gump aside, I knew the truth before the film came out. Forrest didn't found the Klan, he just used his name to further it's fraternal ideals initially. He disavowed and sought to disband it when it mutated into it's sociopathic ways (not to suggest he was a saint or anything...)

Why the fruits of his loin went on to play football at the Capstone is another subject entirely, but one in which I will be delighted to engage...

gatorhippy · 1 year ago

Forrest got it organized and gave it legs to grow after his appointment as before then it mostly pockets of white dudes with pitchforks running...

Not mentioned is his close association with Hood and his Raiders through it all (admittedly I didn't read through it)...

I gots more info from a "Civil War in KY" class I took under a true blue Kentucky Colonel Prof at the "Sue" who also claimed that even after he "left" the "organization" (Prof's word) Nate was fully involved and continued to employ Bell and his Raiders from behind the scenes...

I could dig up the notes but that might take a few days...

1Tomcat · 1 year ago

GH,WEA,TT,TG & TE Thanks guys for everything, I have once again furthered my education here on fanblogs. I'm glad yall didnt dwell too much into regional stereotypes, history lessens or politics on a college football forum. I believe in the abolition of the two-party system, seperation of Church & State,freedom of speech, freedom of choice, campaign finance reform, abolition of the IRS, God,Apple pie & Chevrolet.
I also beleive that Uncle Sam wants you to speak English and that beer is cheaper than gasoline. As an anti-War, pro-Choice gun owner who tries to purchase products made America, I must confess that like Dylan said the times they are a changing.I parked today in a space marked for alternative fueled vehicles only, then I was told by security that I couldnt smoke outside in aparking lot, then went to a place and got an iced tea and they didnt have any sugar- only that fake stuff and to top it off I paid for it with a debit card. One thing is for sure in this politically correct apathetic enviroment in which we subside to taxation without representation and unethical financial misappropriation we still have college football. It's something that people from different regions of the country including folks born north of plum creek can enjoy.
Hookem-Horns

Kevin @ Fanblogs · 1 year ago

You lost me at Chevy. ;-)

1Tomcat · 1 year ago

Thanks Kevin I'll try to stay on topic
Did BU run up the score on Wash st?
//rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recap?gd=200809120079&prov=ap

OU_Ron · 1 year ago

TC, the link is not working, I had one that didn't work yesterday, must be some glitch in the getalong, you and Jack must still be watching the storn......hope all is well.

Zac · 1 year ago

"extreme drunkeness and lots of naked women"

All right, now you're talk'n! Where do I sign up?

Tommy_Trojan · 1 year ago

Zac:

Sorry to tell you this - but your gonna have to join the infantry. I wouldn't do it just yet - as there isn't any booze or naked women in either Iraq or Afghanistan. You might be able to have some fun down in Louisiana for awhile, but, I don't think that your long term party plans would work out very well. You better just wait until we have another conflict in SE Asia. That'll be even more fun than Louisiana.

Tommy_Trojan · 1 year ago

WEA:

I knew that most were in the fireplace. I was just watchin' that DeNiro movie, with that Focker in it, where he insulted the urn over the fireplace and DeNiro started to hate him right then. It's as close as I could get to simulate the exact same response. It may have even worked.

Zac · 1 year ago

I'm neither going to attempt a discussion on psychology or history as it pertains to the aforementioned article. While I have my personal opinion as to how I would have handled the final minute of this past Saturday's game between FL & Miami, there's one fact that remains irrefutable. I am neither Urban Meyer nor the FL Gators HC. It's his team, his players, his staff, his coaching philosophy, his decision making process to that end. It's why he makes the big bucks. We can all criticize and 2nd guess till the cows come home. Ultimately, it's up to the HC to decide what is right in that space in time, and to act accordingly. Done is done; time to move on.

PittsburghTiger · 1 year ago

Wow.....Mr. Black may I introduce you to Mr. Kettle.

Actually I think Coach Shannon is a pretty good guy, but someone from The U saying that strikes a chord across America.

Not that I think Coach Urban is a great guy. I have a buddy who played for him at one of the directional schools early in his career and this fellow said Urban is a jerk.

Lennie Collins · 1 year ago

Is it a regular buddy or butt buddy?

PittsburghTiger · 1 year ago

Just a regular buddy who is also an undercover cop in Pittsburgh and I doubt he would appreciate the inference

OU_Ron · 1 year ago

If you had been on this blog longer,you would know Lenny didn't mean any disrepect to you or your friend, butt buddies has been mentioned on here at least 50 times, it's more of a joke than anuthing, not that it means anything that your friend is a undercover cop or not....

Lennie Collins · 1 year ago

OU Ron...I guess he is gone tell his "buddy" and his "buddy" gone blow his cover to let me know that. Oops let me stop because these references "undercover" and "blow'' are making me laugh too hard. Oops another poor word I used..hard. Let me quit!

Lennie Collins · 1 year ago

Undercover? Then that's the perfect "butt" buddy!

Gatorader · 1 year ago

How bout' them Gators?

(Man its tense in here...)

PrinceMarko · 1 year ago

Sooo.... The ambassador of good sportmanship, Warren Sapp, decided to open his mouth and spit out that Urban Meyer is low class?

Is this the same Warren Sapp that came from Miami U. that brawled with a team that they outmatched? Is it the same Miami that stomped on cats?

Cause I'm curious to where Miami fans and alum get the assumption that they have the high road in this case.

Now, I wish Florida put up 100 points on them.