DISQUS

Tyler_Tech · 1 year ago

Do they deserve to be in the BCS???? Yes. Will they get a chance to prove they are for real???? NO.

FSU_Ben · 1 year ago

No.

BSUmike · 1 year ago

FSwho?

Truth · 1 year ago

Boise State has earned at least a consideration...and if you go as far to consider BSU, then they are in. Only by ignoring them do they not get in.

Tommy_Trojan · 1 year ago

We got to show Hawaii what SEC football was like just last year. I don't really need to witness that sort of carnage again. If I wanted to watch some "death and destruction", I could always tune into the Military Channel, or just go out and rent "Faces of Death" and watch that instead. No, I'd rather not watch two-star players get the crap beat outta them by four and five-star rated players. I'll have to leave that viewing to people who have serious mental defects.

BSUmike · 1 year ago

Check your stats Tommy Boy.

Sancho · 1 year ago

Hawaii? What's Hawaii got to do with this? They suck *** compared to Boise State. They just got lucky Boise had an off year last year. Every other year for a while Boise State has had a stranglehold on the WAC. And have you not seen the January 2007 Fiesta Bowl? Boise not only kept up with Oklahoma, they BEAT them (barely, but they did it). And maybe you should consider some BSU stats, such as their 108-19 winning record since 1999 (the best in the nation I believe) or their 40.7 points per game scoring average (also since 1999 and the best in the nation). Does Boise State deserve a chance at an SEC team? Yes, in every way they do. And in no way would it be a slaughter (unless, of course, you're talking about Boise State mercilessly kicking the crap out of the SEC. :) I could agree with that.) But that's not how the system works, and frankly, I don't care that Boise isn't getting a shot at a bigger bowl game. I think Boise State is about where they belong, and I believe Boise State themselves are also feeling ok with where they're at (read Ian Johnson's and Chris Petersen's statements at link below). I think they deserve better in future years for sure, but I also don't want to complain about the BCS process being whack (there's too much of that).

(Personally, I would like to see BSU square up against the University of Delaware so I could show my roommate that "his team" sucks beyond no end and Boise State rocks. Of course, that will never happen.)

But anyways, apparently Boise State isn't getting into a BCS bowl game. They're headed for the Poinsettia Bowl in San Diego December 23 - against TCU. See http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/11/30/sport...

I think it's good. I wish they were in a higher bowl game, but it could be worse.

(Btw, Tommy_Trojan, I didn't mean for that to sound like I was trying to slam you. I'm sure you know more about college football than I do.)

FSU_Ben · 1 year ago

I did see the fiesta bowl and it was obvious to me that Oklahoma was A. More talented. B. Didn't care.

It was entertaining I admit but I can't see any team overlooking what appears to be a very good florida high school team again.

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

That Poinsettia Bowl match up would be better than the Holiday Bowl that owns and operates the Poinsettia bowl.

1Tomcat · 1 year ago

Ben I really don't understand
Missu might lose in the CCG game- then they would be considered the XII #2 team with 4 losses to in conference foes they have already lost to OK ST,Texas and KU havent faced TTech or OU, definetly not #2 in the XII maybe #5 or #6 IMHO
course thats the system that we currently have
Thanks Tomcat

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

If Missouri loses they might go in the record books as #2. If a bowl has a lock in to take the top Big 12 team after the BCS they will get Missouri. After then Bowl selection is independent of standing order and Missouri will be far lower then #2, as you say.

Zac · 1 year ago

No way they be #2 in the Big 12! They may be #1 in the Big 12 North, which sends them automatically to the Big 12 Championship, but if they lose, how does that make them #2. ABSOLUTELY OUTRAGEOUS!!! Why back in my RAF days...ahem, carry on.

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

Agreed.

BTW, did you see the Rey Maualuga interview after the win over Notre Dame? Was I reading into his interview too much when I thought he's a little weary of going to the Rose Bowl again? I also didn't understand what he was referring to with his "tears" comment. Did that mean he's sad it's his last year?

Porcine · 1 year ago

Yeah I saw that. I think he was bragging on another conference title, at least a little.

Tommy_Trojan · 1 year ago

Tom,

It's really sad that we have to go out and pound some more of that Big 10 azz. It's enough to make a grown man cry.

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

Hmmm...sounds like you've been reading too much Boi from Troy lately. Anyway, good luck with that. Penn State can run between the tackles very well, and they've had their act together all year, unlike Ohio State.

Tommy_Trojan · 1 year ago

Tom:

Actually, if the truth be told, I do think that this is a real good Penn State team. Penn State has given us, and everybody else for that matter, real problems where it comes to Bowl games. I'd actually be real pleased to get out of this one with a seven point win. Although we could beat this team down - I really don't think that it is gonna happen. I'd be shocked. Penn State's stats appear to make them very legit to me. Also, we have had a historically bad time against mobile QB's like Clark. The only way that we can dominate these guys is to control the line of scrimmage. That will be the test. Honestly, I think we'll do some of that, but we're not gonna blow these guys out like we've done to so many other BCS bowl teams. I see this one as being the most hard fought game. Just wanted to see your BIG 10 hair stand up. You should have been a Wolverine!

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

"The only way that we can dominate these guys is to control the line of scrimmage."

Yeah, and USC may do that if they get them on their heels, but not for long. Their O and D-lines are very good. If USC can't run the ball and can't get PSU off the field, it's going to be a long night for USC. I really think PSU will be able to control the clock; I think they have an advantage with their O-line over USC's D-line. We'll see though.

"You should have been a Wolverine!"

That's just wrong on so many levels. Are you trying to insult me? :-)

Bucsbowl · 1 year ago

I've only read a few of the post, but tommy you caught my attention fairly quickly. First you have a trogan logo and then go onto to say we as if your a SEC fair, choose one, but like all other SC fans you only choose to support them while they are winning. If you would like to see real SC fans visit Corvallis (see 2006 and 2008). However to my point, take BSU out of the equation any other member from a BCS conference ranked in the top 10 ahead of Ohio St (Big ten Sucks every year) and we wouldn't have this discussion. BSU deserves to go and would be every team outside of Oklahoma/Texas/or Florida this year.

baldeagle · 1 year ago

Tommy, the Mark May School of Football Prognostication teaches that only those scoring the highest on the MMSFP Big and Naturally Talented Index even deserve to play the game; games like Oregon State/USC this year are just a fluke.

Matter of fact, why even play ANY games? Just do the team totals on the MMSFP BNT Index at the beginning of each season, and the highest scoring team is National Champ!

Bottom line: Everybody loves to see David and Goliath play, for the attitude adjustment that is in order for Goliath.

OSUguy81 · 1 year ago

"Perhaps Boise State did not play the likes of USC. One could argue, neither did Ohio State."

If one argued that they'd be wrong since Ohio State did indeed play USC. Boise State played one ranked team, Ohio State played five. If Boise State wants to play in the big leagues perhaps it should work on scheduling more quality teams for the non-conference games. Idaho State, Bowling Green, and Southern Miss just don't cut it. Better luck in the future.

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

1) I was using sarcasm to express my feeling that Ohio State did not show up for the game. Sure stats were kept for a meeting, but Ohio State was not really playing at anything near competitive.

2) 4 years ago when the games were scheduled, Bowling green and Southern Mississippi were perennial powers in the MAC and C-USA. These looked at the time to be great battles of BCS outsider contenders. Of the three, only Boise State maintained their level of success.

3) Every 6 months Boise State or media outlets affiliated with them, stirs up talk about MWC expansion. Boise State desperately wants into the MWC so their conference schedule will be more competitive. The plain fact is that conference games are 2/3 of your schedule and matter more than your OOC schedule.

FSU_Ben · 1 year ago

Your sarcasm wasn't lost on me ben.

Scott G. · 1 year ago

And don't forget the fact that Boise State has never lost to a MWC opponent in 27 games! I doubt the teams in the Mountain West want them there anymore than Boise State wants USC in the WAC!

OleBlueDog · 1 year ago

Meant to post below...

OSUguy81 · 1 year ago

"Perhaps Boise State did not play the likes of USC. One could argue, neither did Ohio State."

If one argued that they'd be wrong since Ohio State did indeed play USC. Boise State played one ranked team, Ohio State played five. If Boise State wants to play in the big leagues perhaps it should work on scheduling more quality teams for the non-conference games. Idaho State, Bowling Green, and Southern Miss just don't cut it. Better luck in the future.

OleBlueDog · 1 year ago

"Idaho State, Bowling Green, and Southern Miss just don't cut it."

But Youngstown State, Troy, and Ohio do? I don't see a whole lot of difference in his 3 and yours... both have a 1-AA, both have a MAC team, and I'd go as far to say that their ConfUSA team (SoMiss) looks better than your Sunbelt team (Troy). Wow as I look at this closer, you beat your 1-AA by 43 they beat theirs by 42, you beat your MAC by 12 and they beat theirs by 13, and you beat Troy by 18 as they beat SoMiss by 17. So I guess the only difference is the conference, right? And you don't have much of an advantage there... Better hope the MWC expansion doesn't go through, then you wouldn't have much of an advantage at all.

Oh and in regards to PLAYING Southern Cal, as you claim.... scoring a solitary field goal in a huge loss, doesn't constitute much of a contribution to PLAYING that game.

Regan · 1 year ago

Boise State should (and I think will) be in a BCS game this year.

It all comes down to the choices available for the BCS Bowls. Think of it like a "pool" of teams that have a chance at a BCS Bowl. These include the 6x BCS conference champs, and 4x At-Large Teams. Since each conference is limited to 2x teams getting to the BCS, we look at the At-Large Berths and we find:

> Utah will get in by definition due to it's high BCS ranking.
> 2x BCS conferences will get a second team (likely the SEC & Big 12)
> 1x At-Large spot left....but which teams are left that can qualify?

Looking at the last BCS Standings, here are the "Pool" of Top 25 teams: BAMA, TEX, OU, FLA, SCAL, UTAH, TXT, PSU, BSU, OHST, UGA, OKST, MIZZ, TCU, BALL, CINC, ORST, BYU, MCST, FSU, BC, GT, ORE, NW, and PITT.

My Assumptions:

The BCS Bowl selection order, mixed with my assumptions of teams that will win next week:
1) BCS Title Game Choice #1: FLA (assuming they beat BAMA)
2) BCS Title Game Choice #2: TEX/OU (assuming they beat MIZZ)

3) (Auto) Orange Bowl Choice #1: VT/BC (ACC Champ)
4) (Auto) Rose Bowl Choice #1: PSU (Big Ten Champ)
5) (Auto) Rose Bowl Choice #2: SCAL (Pac-10 Champ)

6) Sugar Bowl Choice #1: BAMA (BCS At-Large)
7) Fiesta Bowl Choice #1: OU/TEX (BCS At-Large)(whichever one doesn't play in the NC game)
8) Fiesta Bowl Choice #2: UTAH (BCS At-Large)

WHAT IT BOILS DOWN TO FOR BOISE STATE:
9) Sugar Bowl Choice #2: ___
10) Orange Bowl Choice #2: CINC (for the standard Big East vs. ACC matchup)

Of the BCS Top 25 team "Pool" - FLA, TEX/OU, SCAL, PSU, VT/BC, CINC, and UTAH get automatic berths for Conf. Championships & Non-BCS finishing high in the rankings

Likely At-Large Selections from SEC & Big 12: BAMA, OU/TEX

This leaves: TXT, BSU, OHST, UGA, OKST, MIZZ, TCU, BALL, ORST, BYU, MCST, FSU, BC, GT, ORE, NW, and PITT from the BCS Top 25.

TXT, UGA, OKST, and MIZZ cannot get a berth due to their conferences already having 2x Teams in.

It is unrealistic to believe that a BCS Bowl would take a non-BCS team with 1-2 losses over an undefeated one, thus tossing out TCU and BYU.

The ACC and Big East are highly unlikely to place 2x teams into the BCS due to their many 3-Loss records. Out with FSU, BC, GT, and PITT.

IF the Big Ten can place 2x teams into the BCS, the second team will be their next highest ranked team, which kicks out MCST and NW.

Who lost today? ORST...gone.

Now - Losses: ORE has 3x Losses; and the only time an At-Large team with 3 losses has EVER been chosen for the BCS was last year when the Rose Bowl chose ILL (9-3) to ensure a Big Ten/Pac-10 matchup. The Rose Bowl has no such issues this year. ORE = out.


THIS NOW LEAVES ONLY - BOISE STATE, OHIO STATE, and BALL STATE as VIABLE CANDIDATES FOR THE LAST AT-LARGE SPOT...

Now - any normal year and OHST would easily get the nod over BSU. Given BSU's success in the BCS before, and seeing as how OHST is just on everyone's Hate List for 2008, that leaves BALL STATE.

Now - from a $ perspective, why chose Ball State when you can choose Boise State?


.....and far stranger things have happened in this Sport. :)

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

A team must be in the top 14 of the BCS standings to be BCS eligible.

This formally eliminates FSU, Pitt, Georgia Tech and the loser of the Boston College vs Virginia Tech game.

Technically the choice would be between Boise State, Ohio State, TCU, and Ball State. TCU and Ball State are eliminated for the reasons you list.

Regan · 1 year ago

Pretty good for someone too lazy to look up the actual reasons though, right? :)

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

Looking it up might have been faster than typing all that thought.

Regan · 1 year ago

Yeah, but it wouldn't have as much potential to trick people into thinking I'm intelligent, now would it?

You are just out to kill my fun, Ben. You been hanging out with NMLSooner? :)

FSU_Ben · 1 year ago

OHST will get it over Boise but I would take Boise over Ball State. It's nice to see a MAC team did so well but it's still the MAC and even the WAC is better. Well, At least I think so.

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

Ball State compares much better to Hawaii from last year than Boise State does.

The WAC and MAC are comparable but Boise State had a significantly better OOC schedule.

baldeagle · 1 year ago

Ball State is afraid to play Boise State.

The Gipper · 1 year ago

Boise State Should be in and Texas is rated higher than the sooners

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

I am expecting, like most, for Oklahoma to pass Texas this week. For the scenario they can be treated as equals. Let A be the one ahead to day.

If A beats Missouri they go to the NCG and B goes to the Fiesta Bowl.
If A loses to Missouri, B goes to the NCG and Missouri goes to the Fiesta Bowl.

batteman · 1 year ago

no matter what happens someones going to get pissed and raise holy hell this offseason.. if you take Boise State you are denying that "other team" in the big 12 south.. which will raise hell from the big 12... you keep boise out of it.. they are going to raise helll..

FSU_Ben · 1 year ago

Two teams from the Big 12 south will be in the BCS. That is all that the rules allow. Boise got a game in 2004. Cinderella would not be a good story if she was marring her second handsome prince.

Tommy_Trojan · 1 year ago

The choice is between Ohio State and Boise State - period. It's also a no brainer. Ohio State has lost two games all year (to USC and Penn State). Ohio State has also lost only five games in the last three years. Two of the other losses were to National Champions Florida in 06' and LSU in 07'. The other loss was to 07' Rose Bowl representetive Illinois. Boise State is not in the same class as Ohio State is. My vote is for Ohio State - who has played the far superior SOS than Boise State has. In fact, Boise's schedule is rated somewhere between 100-110 out of 120 Division I teams. Pathetic! Who couldn't go unbeaten? Anybody from any BCS conference? Probably all but Washington State.

Sancho · 1 year ago

100-110 out of 120? Curious as to where you found the stats. Thanks.

Tommy_Trojan · 1 year ago

Sancho:

Boise plays in the dayum WAC conference. What do you think the SOS is? Maybe the Sunbelt and MAC are just a little worse. There are 65 BCS conference shools - and all of those will have better SOS than Boise does. Jeff Sagarin currently rates Boise State's schedule as the 115th most difficult out of 120 Division I teams. You know, the guy aint half bad, at figuring this stuff out.

Cougar_Fan · 1 year ago

at least Boise State will have beaten a team that is ranked in the top 20 at the end of the season!

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

Michigan State?

Tommy_Trojan · 1 year ago

Who would that be? Oregon? Oh yeh, right, 37-32 I recall. Didn't we blast that team 44-10? I think so. Let's see, BSU wins by 5 and we win by 34, and at least BSU beat a Top 20 team? Are you implying that we could not pull that off? Or, are you extremely proud of another meager "upset" win over a team early in the season, that was struggling to find their identity? BSU would not beat Oregon now!

Scott G. · 1 year ago

You can't blame a team for winning football games. Boise took on every opponent on their schedule and walked away victors. Doing that 12 times in a row, on and off the road, with games on the occasional Friday or Thursday (ESPN) is not an easy task in ANY conference. I don't care who you are. And it's also unfair to speculate how poor or how well they might or might not do "if" they were in "Conference X". The simple facts are they're undefeated AND ranked higher than Ohio State in the BCS standings. Hello?? This one's a no-brainer folks. You gotta let Boise State in!

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

Boise State would jump at an opportunity to play in Conference X. To use the fact that Bosie State does not play a conference schedule similar to conference X, while prohibiting them from joining Conference X over, say, Washington State, Mississippi State or Baylor, is not a fair argument.

Cougar_Fan · 1 year ago

It's funny how people don't want to include Boise State because of Hawaii last year, and instead they prefer Ohio State.Uhh... Did you not see the past two National Championships!!! They got wasted!! Boise State's the better team this year!! Plus that win over Oregon's looking pretty nice after seeing what Oregon did to Oregon State.

thebuckstopshere · 1 year ago

That win over Oregon is looking nice? You mean that win where Oregon was out their starting QB not to mention their back up that they lost the week before. So they start their third string guy, Masoli, well he ends up with a concussion a few plays into the game. So they roll the dice with number 4 on the depth chart, at this point number 4 is just handing the ball off every down probably because the last pass he threw was in high school. So by the second half they give the true freshman and fifth guy in line a crack at it. And he nearly came back and won the game. Oregon dominated the second half of that game and you would be lying to yourself if you think Boise St. would have beat Oregon on any other day.

Boise St. is the better team this year? I couldn’t tell you one way or the other because they haven’t played anyone worth a dam (besides Oregon and their 5th string QB).


I guess you have a bad taste in your mouth because of the last two NC games. That's ok, that just means you have a short memory. Ohio St. (4-2 in BCS) has played in more BCS games than anyone along with USC (5-1) and OU (2-4).

thebuckstopshere · 1 year ago

I forgot Florida St. (1-5), sorry Kev.

Kevin @ Fanblogs · 1 year ago

That's the second winningest team since 1990, to you. :-)

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

That's right, dadgummit!!

baldeagle · 1 year ago

...and what Oregon State did to USC...

Cougar_Fan · 1 year ago

Anybody who wants to bring up Hawaii just remember the ACC is 1-9 in BCS. When the non-BCS schools get to 2-10 in BCS games then you can start using that argument. Until then don't bring it up. Hawaii last year had an unusually easy schedule and they barely made it through unscathed, and yes I am biased but I think many people would agree that BYU was the best non-BCS team last year.

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

No. According to Sagarin, Boise State's SoS was 115. Ohio State's was 43. The Big 10(11) was rated 5th, the WAC was rated 10th. (As an interesting side note, the PAC 10 was rated 6th and the Mountain West was rated 7th.) Anyone looking at this and choosing Boise State anyway is as biased as ESPN (or just as interested in drumming up a non-story). You make a good argument for playoffs or just a plain ole juicy argument, however.

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

I agree, we need to go by Sagarin.

TCU should be taken over both Ohio State and Boise State. Like Ohio State they lost to two top 10 teams, Oklahoma and Utah. In fact the tams they lost to are ranked higher than the teams Ohio State lost to. Also their quality win over BYU is ranked higher than Ohio State's Michigan State.

Thank you for pointing out that TCU is better than Ohio State in the stats. No one is arguing that Boise State should not be taken over TCU.

thebuckstopshere · 1 year ago

Your really trying to sell this but don't expect anyone to buy into it. Especially not the BCS bowl selection comities that have ties to, get this, BCS conferences. They tweaked the selection process to throw a bone to one of your "little engine that could" teams. You should be happy Utah is the recipient of that charity this year and stop trying to represent the little guy every chance you get.

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

Us outsiders gotta stick together, even if they have an ugly blue turf.

Stop representing the little guy every chance I get? That is what I do...

And I am happy Utah will get your 4.5 million charity, and the rest of the MWC 0.5 million each. Much better than our 0.2 million Boise State will get if they don't go.

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

TCU? LMAO! Wrong again. TCU's SoS is 76, OSU's again is 43. MWC was 7th, B10(11) 5th. Thank you for being just as ridiculous as saying Boise State deserves it more. You're not only proving my point even more that Boise State shouldn't be picked over Ohio State, you're treading on "h" territory.

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

You brought up Sagarin...

8) Utah 87.15
9) TCU 86.80
10) Ohio State 86.07
11) Boise State 85.85

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

Not much of a difference between the 4 teams, is there? Until you look at SoS, of course.

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

I suppose, if you ignore record vs top 10 and top 30.

Utah 1-0; 3-0
TCU 0-2; 1-2
Ohio State 0-2; 1-2
Boise State 0-0; 1-0

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

And once again, OSU gets the nod over Boise State and still nobody cares about TCU. And you're still conveniently ignoring the rest of their schedules. That crap still isn't going to work. Thanks for playing anyway.

Cougar_Fan · 1 year ago

You really should stop making these arguments, basically all your saying is that you want to use Sagarin when it benefits Ohio State, but ignore any part of it that does not benefit them. Whatever though, you'll probably get what you want, Ohio State will go to the BCS and they'll get thrashed again.

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

"You really should stop making these arguments, basically all your saying is that you want to use Sagarin when it benefits Ohio State, but ignore any part of it that does not benefit them."

Really? Where did I do that? Show me.

"Ohio State will go to the BCS and they'll get thrashed again."

We'll see, won't we?

Cougar_Fan · 1 year ago

Wow you can't see it huh? well any non Buckeye fan reading your posts would see it. here's a hint though: You want you use sagarin rankings, and ben prather points out the fact that they have TCU ranked ahead of OSU and BSU. Its very convenient of you to brush that aside saying that its insignificant and only want to focus on OSU's strength of schedule. Well we can accept that but how do you respond to someone who wants to brush that aside considering the fact that Boise State has zero losses with their strength of schedule and Ohio State has two losses with their strength of schedule? Its just as easy to brush your argument aside as it is to brush aside Ben Prathers point.

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

I think you'd better re-read my comment and your original. I didn't ignore it at all. Selective reading on your part.

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

One more thing. I find it laughable that you're trying to tell me I'm "brushing aside" and "conveniently ignoring" the Sagarin rankings for the 4 teams. I'm not doint that anymore than I'm brushing aside the BCS rankings of the teams. On the contrary, I'm accepting the rankings and looking deeper.

The fact is, there isn't much of a difference between the teams based on ranking or based on the difference between them in the rankings, a point I made earlier with Ben. Take a look at the BCS rankings. Utah is 6., Boise State is 9., Ohio State is 10., and TCU is 11.

SoS for the entire season is how you do it. And if you want to be nitpicky and focus on only 2-4 games of the season, fine. I'll tell you exactly why I think it's a bunch of garbage to do that. Because it's a draw there, too.

OSU and TCU have identical records in that regard. OSU easily beats Boise State in that regard, which makes my point even further. Utah has the best record of the 4, but guess who they were? Michigan, Oregon State, TCU and BYU. Oh, that's not biased at all, is it? 2 out of the 4 have nearly identical SoS, then they also got Michigan and Oregon State. Boise State beat Oregon for their top 30 win, and TCU beat BYU. Then you have OSU who got smoked at USC, then changed personnel and beat MSU and took PSU to the 4th quarter.

So, again, it looks pretty even doesn't it? Gee, why is it you think I'm so focused on the entire season's SoS again? Oh yeah...because I'm biased. Riiiiight.

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

Plus, as you brought up earlier, nobody is arguing TCU earns the BCS berth over Boise State, and according to this list, OSU gets the nod over Boise State. But then, this is similar enough to the BCS rankings anyway, and so close in calculation that this is why I'm looking at their SoS in addition to individual team rankings.

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

But Boise State is not close to Ohio State in the BCS PCT. They lead by over 0.0696, over a spot and a half across the board. This is roughly the difference between USC and Penn State.

Boise State leads Ohio State in all three components of the BCS. The voters and computers agree. Boise State is over Ohio State.

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

"But Boise State is not close to Ohio State in the BCS PCT. They lead by over 0.0696..."

*Sigh*. I can't believe we're actually having this conversation.

I don't know what you learned in math, but I learned this is a very small number. That's 7 100ths of a percent, Ben. Hopefully, the BCS bowl involved will take a look at the SoS and reward OSU for playing a much tougher schedule, and for playing in a conference far superior to the one Boise State plays in. I'm also hoping they'll recall what happened to Hawaii when they brought their 110+ rated schedule to a BCS bowl last year against Georgia.

I'm not interested in watching another bloodbath, whether Boise State pulled off a miracle against OU the last time they played in a BCS game or not. Granted, OSU lost in two blowouts recently, but to put those losses in perspective, they lost in the NC games, and they're 4-2 in BCS bowls overall.

*Sigh*. Please. Give it a rest.

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

Ok...

The rankings actually mean nothing. SOS means nothing.

We both know this.

Boise State and Ohio State will both sell out their tickets. Ticket sales and butts in the seats are not an issue. Boise proved this in 2006 and Ohio state is Ohio State.

So it all comes down to projected TV viewers and the associated advertiser revenue. Ohio is a bigger market than Idaho, but which team would be more popular nationally?

Frankly, the rest of the nation is a little tired of Ohio State bloodbaths and is ready for some fresh blood. Boise State fits that mold.

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

So now we're back to your biased opinion again. Whatever. You ought to apply for a job at ESPN. You'd fit in well there.

Kevin @ Fanblogs · 1 year ago

If the question is draw, then it's tOSU by a very, very large margin.

Cougar_Fan · 1 year ago

and why your's over his?

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

My opinion isn't biased. It's a fact that the Big 10(11) is a better conference. Look at any ranking system, not just Sagarin's. Ben admitted it himself before going off the deep end again.

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

Bias is unavoidable. I live by the ethic that its ok to have opinions, as long as you are upfront about them.

ESPN does not fit the latter part of that.

baldeagle · 12 months ago

Lessee, Tom...

Boise State led most of the Fiesta Bowl by a coupla TD's, in fact led the whole game until 1:26 remaining...

...a MIRACLE win? I think not . Those "trick" plays at the end were good, but their REGULAR game was what beat Oklahoma.

Tom_Blogical · 12 months ago

"...in fact led the whole game until 1:26 remaining..."

Lessee, baldeagle...

Boise State was down by a TD, and most of the nation thought they were out with 1:02 to go (not 1:26) with their REGULAR game.

"...a MIRACLE win? I think not . Those "trick" plays at the end were good, but their REGULAR game was what beat Oklahoma."

You're contradicting yourself. Yes, MIRACLE win. The "trick" plays at the end that were good was what beat Oklahoma. Their REGULAR game (that includes DEFENSE) was what got them behind in the game with 1:02 remaining...Oklahoma scored 3 straight times (1 FG and 2 TDs) in the 4th quarter, featuring a "pick 6" off of BSU's REGULAR offense. After that came the famous Hook and Ladder play (the box score doesn't show it, but I'm pretty sure that was on a 4th down) for a TD, leaving 7 seconds remaining, followed by the just as famous Statue of Liberty play in overtime.

Since it appears you didn't watch, or you forget, the details of the game, here is the box score for your reading enjoyment.

I still think it was a great game and a great win for BSU, but the fact is, it was definitely a MIRACLE for any team to come back and win a game in a situation like that.

I give credit for BSU winning, but in all honesty, Oklahoma blew it, and it took 2 trick plays to beat them.

Tommy_Trojan · 1 year ago

But, sadly, Ohio State is worth so much more money. Why? Because nobody wants to see Boise State get beatdown by a good team. They will actually pay to see that happen to Ohio State. And, therein lies the reason, that Ohio State gets picked for the BCS.

I have an idea that might make everybody happy. We'll create a new Bowl game. We'll call it "The Extenze Little Guy's Bowl". We'll put Utah vs Boise State in the 1st game. The winner of this game gets to go play in another new Bowl game. This one pits the winner of "The Extenz Little Guy's Bowl" against the winner of the BCS National Championship. This Bowl game could be called "The Michael Vick Big Dogs Only Bowl". Two teams enter - one team leaves.

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

Change the names to the Liberty Bowl and add a plus one and we will talk next week...

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

Ah, and here is the point of mentioning TCU...

The BCS website had been flying the "The Playoffs rae now!" mantra all season.

In a tournament, does the #16 seed who lost to the #1 seed advance becasue they had the best SOS? No, the #1 team advances because they won, despite playing the worst SOS.

SOS does not matter in a tournament, only wins. If you get a fortunate draw and an eazier road it is not held against you.

Why should football be different? If the regular season is the playoffs, then losses should eliminate teams.

TCU is not discussed because they had their chance against Utah. If they had won that game they would be very close to, if not ahead of, Bosie State. They lost and are out. Ohio State had their chance TWICE and lost both times.

If the BCS is serious about making each week of the season a playoffs they should give the nod to Boise State.

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

*Sigh*

"The BCS website had been flying the "The Playoffs rae now!" mantra all season."

I'm sorry to burst your bubble (OK, no I'm not), but I don't buy into the "The Playoffs are now!" mantra. It's BS. The regular season, with games mostly in-conference, are not "playoffs". Playoffs take the best teams (conference winners), seed them, and let them decide it on the field.

"In a tournament, does the #16 seed who lost to the #1 seed advance becasue they had the best SOS? No, the #1 team advances because they won, despite playing the worst SOS. SOS does not matter in a tournament, only wins. If you get a fortunate draw and an eazier road it is not held against you. Why should football be different? If the regular season is the playoffs, then losses should eliminate teams."

That's a mighty fine straw man you've constructed and then managed to rip apart, based on the ridiculous assumption that somehow, the regular season is a "playoff". Congratulations. However, in the real world, SoS helps to determine who plays against who. When applied to playoffs, that means SoS, among other things, determines seeding.

"If the BCS is serious about making each week of the season a playoffs they should give the nod to Boise State."

Once again, thanks for playing. The BCS won't take the Broncos over the Buckeyes, because even they realize how stupid the "The Playoffs are now!" mantra is. They'll come to their senses about how weak of a schedule Boise State actually played, and will make a move to avoid the same mistake made last year.

*Sigh* You are within microns of "h" territory, Ben.

Cougar_Fan · 1 year ago

TCU would beat Ohio State. Even though they won't be going to the BCS they're the best non-BCS team in the country. They have an SEC defense that would shut the buckeyes' running game down. They just got hampered since they're such a young team and they lead the nation in penalties per game.
Next year though TCU will make it if they beat BYU and for sure the year after that they'll be unstoppable.

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

h

Porcine · 1 year ago

Correct.

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

I agree. Two missed field goals by TCU and a good late bounce of the ball for Utah gave Utah a 3 point win.

The Poinsettia Bowl looks to be a trap game for Boise State, if Ohio State gets the BCS call.

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

A few more things, Ben. What you're really trying to say here is, let's ignore the entire season, and focus on just 2 games in the season for TCU and Ohio State. And what you're having us look at are 2 losses by each team. BFD. You'd have a point if TCU won one or both of those games, but alas, they didn't.

You're also effectively admitting that conveniently ignoring the rest of TCU's or Boise State's schedules prove they both play in crappy conferences, and including the entire body of work is like trying to salvage a body part lost to gangrene.

Although it would be completely satisfying for me to see Ohio State rip into Boise State, TCU, or even Utah in a bowl game, none of these games, much like the last 2 NC games, would be in the least bit entertaining to watch the Buckeyes blow them out.

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

I was looking at three games. The two losses and the best win. You want to add TCU demolishing Air Force for Ohio State owning Northwestern thats fine.

It is as you say. The rest of the MWC and Big 10 are crap this year.

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

OK. 3 games. You're still conveniently ignoring the rest of the season, and the huge difference between the SoS of OSU and both TCU and Boise State. OSU's SoS at 43, TCU's at 76 and Boise State's at 115.

You're still out of your mind if you think Boise State or TCU deserve it over Ohio State, no matter how you slice it and dice it.

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

I can concede the point about being out of my mind. I have seen enough evidence to support your case on that one.

As for the slicing and dicing... I'll do what I can...

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

"As for the slicing and dicing... I'll do what I can..."

I recommend a Ronco product. ;-)

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

ESPN really got my dander up during the Boise State/Fresno State game on this topic. It was comical to listen to them trying to push that meme.

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

During that game it was simply pandering to the audience.

What about ABC's raising the issue last night at the end of the Oklahoma - Oklahoma State game, after discussing the implications of the Oregon State loss?

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

"During that game it was simply pandering to the audience."

Agreed.

"What about ABC's raising the issue last night at the end of the Oklahoma - Oklahoma State game."

I didn't hear what they said about it, so I can't really comment on it. I turned it off after OU jumped ahead by 11 after scoring their bazillionth TD late.

Cougar_Fan · 1 year ago

Your argument almost worked, until you mentioned that the PAC 10 is ranked ahead of the MWC. Not very many people are going to buy that. Sagarin's ranking's are horrible (the MWC is 6-1 against the PAC10). Also notice how the Big East is ranked 4th (ahead of the Big 10, Pac 10, and MWC), the ACC is ahead of the Big 12. I don't think we should base everything on Sagarin

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

"I don't think we should base everything on Sagarin."

Nor do I, nor do I think the BCS is something we should use. I think a playoff should determine the National Champion. Unfortunately for folks like me, that's a long way off.

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

FIVE YEARD PENALTY!!!

FALSE START ON THE PLAY OFF TALK!!!

7 days until the off season when the moratorium is lifted!

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

Well...I don't base everything on Sagarin and that's partly why. It all boils down to rankings and SoS with me. If a team isn't in a "BCS conference", there's a reason for it, in my book. :-)

Cougar_Fan · 1 year ago

That's good, but the rankings all seem to point to Boise State being the better team. But in the end it boils down to the fact that you (OSU) are in the BCS and teams like Boise State are not. So keep your exclusive club going but I can't wait to see the Buckeye's try to keep up with Texas or Oklahoma. If you thought the past two national championships were ugly, just wait. After those teams are through with the buckeyes I think a lot of people will be wondering whether the Broncos were the better matchup.

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

Again, we'll see.

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

A) Ohio State will most likely go to the Sugar Bowl to play Alabama.

B) After TCU beats Bosie State everyone will just move along...

Dern shame it is...

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 1 year ago

Upon further review, wave off the flag. No penalty on the play. TB was not discussing playoff scenarios. Repeat 1st down!

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

Woo-hoo!

Cougar_Fan · 1 year ago

Right on, I get so worked up not because I hate OSU, its the system that's jacked, that pisses me off. But you can understand that when a team like Boise State does play by the system and the system nominates them ahead of someone else they are still gonna get screwed as will happen with being passed over in favor Ohio State. But it's jacked all around, Ohio State is pretty dang good and they would probably be favorites over Boise State, if they played but I don't think its a gimmie.

cass · 1 year ago

Boise State stats (past 10 yrs): http://www.broncosports.com//ViewArticle.dbml?D... ...

thebuckstopshere · 1 year ago

What does this prove? I could list stats of how Ohio St. has dominated MAC teams for the past 20 years. How would that be any different than the supposed accomplishments listed on your link?

cass · 1 year ago

I just don't know what else we can do to prove ourselves. Everyone keeps complaining about us not having any good competition, yet no one wants to invite us to a better conference or even play us so, until we get more opportunities, these stats are all we have.

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

If the MWC does not invite you soon they are fools.

As a MWC fan, I understand that is not much consolation.

hrposon · 1 year ago

Boise State should play Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl.

THANKUDUCKS! · 1 year ago

Several Intersting Facts

Boise State and Utah played at Provo in 2006

Boise State won 36-3

Boise State has played teams from the Mountain West 13 times

and is Undefeated

I would also like to claim a Hefty understanding of the way the BCS computes out chances, which are %20 opinion and %80 computers and stats. The Opinion Poll had us above Ohio State BEFORE our last game against Fresno, and the extra game worth of stats will certainly push us higher in the computer rankings.

I will go out on a limb and say that the BCS is complicated, but it does work. As long as USC wins @ UCLA next week, the Broncos are going to a BCS Bowl Game.

Kevin @ Fanblogs · 1 year ago

Honestly, you really need to get your facts in order, because this is simply not correct. I respect your claim of a healthy understanding of the BCS, but here's a healthy understanding of BSU vs MWC:

BSU is 16-5 against the MWC, with three losses to UNLV and two losses to Utah.

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

Actually Boise State is 2-0 vs Utah. I was there when they beat us for homecoming.

Kevin @ Fanblogs · 1 year ago

Ben... this is easy stuff. BSU is 4-2 against Utah, not 2-0. Give yourself a little credit, man. Take those two wins - you earned em!

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

Sorry, I missed the games in the 80's. I did not attend Utah until 1995. The rest is historical to me...

Boise has a 3 game streak, 2 wins in SLC, and none in Provo. Boise State has Utah's number.

THANKUDUCKS! · 1 year ago

BTW

strength of schedule is counted into the computations of the BCS computers.

Boise = beat Oregon = beat Oregon State = BEAT USC = BEAT THEM BUCKEYES!

Kevin @ Fanblogs · 1 year ago

Victory chains = FAIL.

Abilene Christian beat Midwestern St who beat Newberry who beat Wingate who beat UNC-Pembroke who beat Jacksonville FL who beat San Diego who beat UC-Davis who beat Portland St who beat Eastern Washington who beat Weber St who beat Montana who beat Cal Poly SLO who beat San Diego St who beat UNLV who beat Wyoming who beat Tennessee who beat Vanderbilt who beat Mississippi who beat Florida.

ACU for the BCS!

See the point? Absurd chains = Fail.

1Tomcat · 1 year ago

That was a good one Kev - Thats got to be the best victory chain ever- Heck I know a lineman on the Abilene Christian team
were did you come up with this one?

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

Start with a top team with a loss. Pick the worst team they lost to until an undefeated team is reached.

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

LOL! 1Tomcat is right...best victory chain ever.

LacerateKane · 1 year ago

I believe they changed the SOS tie-ins to the BCS computer points this year (maybe last); it is only figured 3 deep. Your example above, BSU=UOrg=OrgSU stops right there.

I'll look for the link where I heard/read and post. Unless someone can back me up. Can't remember EXACTLY where I heard this.

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

The BCS outsourced its ranking.

As long as they don't use MOV, the BCS computers are free to do whatever they want.

In 2004 they removed the ad hoc adjustments for SOS, losses, quality wins and the like.

Hobnail_Boot · 1 year ago

"Isn't it time Boise State learned what SEC football was like?"

Been there, done that. Georgia 48 - BSU 13.

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

2005 - About as bad as Fresno beat Boise State that year. Also Boise State's worst year in the last decade.

Porcine · 1 year ago

Fresno only won by 20. In 2000 BSU went 10-2, one loss being 38-31 to Arkansa, who finished 6-6. In 2002 BSU went 12-1 the only loss being 41-14 to Arkansas, who finished 9-5. Maybe we will be as successful now that Nutt is gone the way BSU has been.

gohorns1012 · 1 year ago

now thats a good idea, redemption...careful you don't send the wrong message though,,that OU defense was on fire last night, mabee they should be ahead of UT...whats the most points texas gave up this year? by the way, i've heard enough about pre-conference wins. did'nt UT beat arkansas 52-10? isn't that the same arkansas team that shut down the #1 offense in the country[tulsa] and didn't they win yesterday? who did thay beat? oh it was the defending national champs.. no matter what happens in the rankings, texas beat OU and MIzzou so if those two teams meet, OU will beat the 3 loss tigers..and texas will play in the fiesta, thats good enough for me.. knowing UT beat the big 12 champion and another major bowl win.. anyone out there think OUs defense is up to stopping florida?

cogitoboy · 1 year ago

Boise State deserves to play a BCS game. They are ranked higher than they were two years ago. Utah also deserves to play in a BCS game. If Utah lost to BYU, few would say that Boise doesn't deserve to go (undefeated ranked 8th in the nation). We are just discovering and talking about a 'feature' of the silly BCS rules. The question: should the BCS rules be expanded to include more than one non-BCS team (e.g. second team ranked in the top ten, higher than two conference champions). I don't know - the entire BCS Rube Goldberg machine is retarded.
Boise State will match up well against:
Florida (Just Utah with the same blue and orange as Boise State).
Cinci (Overrated - at 16)
VT
Utah (Never lost to a Mountain West team)
USC (Little weaker against spread, offense has most trouble against fast defenses)

These teams Boise State may struggle mightly:
Alabama
OU
Texas

THANKUDUCKS · 1 year ago

WOW.....BSU is STILL above Ohio State in all the fan/coaches/harris polls today.

drew Clausing · 1 year ago

First off understand something... the SEC is the 4th best conference this year. So to say, "Boise State will learn what the SEC is all about" is to say you feel like Boise needs to be put in its place by a far superior conference. Name me 3 good teams from the SEC. You only named two didn't you? That's because Georgia is arguable at best even though they just got it handed to them by G. Tech and everyone below them sucks. Florida may be the best team in the country and Bama is in the top-10, but that's all. Big 12 is #1 by far, (even though last night's game showed me that nobody in that conference can play defense. Did you see how many WIDE open catches there were?) ACC is #2 (they just WHIPPED SEC), Big 10 is #3, and SEC is #4.

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

Or maybe I was mocking/taunting the SEC's attitude and belief that they are a far superior conference...

1Tomcat · 1 year ago

No Smurfs in
plant some grass- green not blue
I saw the BSU vs SDSU game and neither one looked very good to me
What happened to Fresno St ? didnt see the game just read the score

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

I assume you mean SJSU. San Jose St is much better than San Diego St. One is going to a bowl game, the other, like Wisconsin, lost to Cal Poly.

Sancho · 1 year ago

You're just jealous of BSU's kick*** turf. Man, there's a bunch of Smurf Turf haters here. Seriously, you just wish you could be as cool as Boise State.

And what happened to Fresno? Boise State happened, that's what. Ran 'em over.

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

Lets keep it nice...

Also, Wisconsin and Hawaii happened to Fresno State...

Marty · 1 year ago

Boise State is a great football team and would be fun to see play any team that thinks they can go nose to nose with them Oregon was taken down by Boise State Oregon State was then taken down by Oregon and Oregon State beat USC Right?
What is done is done What more does the BCS need?

P Smith · 1 year ago

"Perhaps Boise State did not play the likes of USC. One could argue, neither did Ohio State."

If the BCS teams would show up and play teams like Boise State, this wouldn't be a topic of discussion. BCS teams don't want to play teams like the Broncos, Utah and other "midmajors" because they are a risk without reward. BCS teams want big rewards or no risk at all.

A BCS team would rather play a 50/50 game (e.g. PSU v OSU) or a 100 to 1 shot (UF v Citadel) than a team like Boise State who are a 3:1 shot against. The BCS teams are terrified of such matchups because they know they might lose - not will, but might.

Just how pathetic are the BCS teams (well, most of them)? The PAC-10 played six mid-majors (and lost five times) but played only one team from I-AA ball. The other five conferences played a total of six mid-majors and went 3-3, while also playing FIFTY teams from I-AA and Division II. At least the PAC-10 showed up, which is more than can be said for the SEC and Not-So-Big 10.

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

Record vs MWC, WAC, C-USA and MAC ( Sorry Sun Belt you don't count )

Big 12: 15-1
SEC: 12-2
ACC: 6-1
Big 10: 11-5
Big East: 8-4
PAC 10: 6-8

Try again.

thebuckstopshere · 1 year ago

Yeah that didn't sound right to me either. I've been wrong with my stats in my rants myself so I'm not going say anything.

r j · 1 year ago

The reason BOISE STATE does not play more of the so called powerhouse football schools is because those schools are not willing to travel to BOISE to play the BRONCOS. They would much sooner play a Norte Dame than a BOISE STATE.

Kevin @ Fanblogs · 1 year ago

Most respectfully... who *wants* to travel to Boise... for anything? The ACC is dropping the truck stop bowl because none of the teams or fans want to go to Boise.

If Boise wants to be a "powerhouse football school", then they have to pack up & go win on the road against top level competition - not BCS cellar dwellers, but true top notch competition. Not that this year is perfect example, but look at FSU. During the 1980s they went anywhere to play anyone. By the 1990s, FSU was a powerhouse.

So... if BSU wants to be a legitimate football power, forget the blue... pack the road whites. Legends are made on the road.

Clemson_Joe · 1 year ago

That is exactly right, Kevin.

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

You're right again, dadgummit! :-)

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 1 year ago

Good point. When you want to play King of the Mountain, I'm pretty sure the King always has the home-mountain advantage...

And they should change the color of the field--to yellow. That way, it's an effective counter-measure for that first down marker line...

Clemson_Joe · 1 year ago

Boise State is extremely overrated. Any of the teams being considered for the BCS would beat them. I can't wait to win money on them in the bowl season like I have 4 times already this year. Maybe they'll actually get a decent opponent to expose them for what they are.

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

I'll admit that Utah and Boise State both will have a tough go of it this year in the BCS vs #2 Big 12 and SEC teams.

I am excited at the opportunity to see Boise State play TCU in the Poinsettia Bowl. TCU could very well expose them for what they are, as Southern Miss did in 2004.

Clemson_Joe · 1 year ago

I think Utah has done everything that they need to do to prove that they deserve a chance. Boise State has not, and I agree that TCU could very well expose them this season. I'd like to see that match up quite a bit actually.

#1 U.C.L.A. FAN · 1 year ago

Boise State has always beat the Mt. west in every game. Why as fans should we even care about the BCS poll if the top 10 teams are not going to the big games? If the top 10 teams are not going to the top bowls on new years day and after, dump the BCS poll! Boise fans will sell out the big game just like they have before and do all year long. You have to let them play. If not the big schools we will say who cares about that BCS poll. We will go anyway.

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 1 year ago

Are you sure that you're the #1 UCLA fan?

It's okay to come out of the closet. It's a Boise State thread, after all...

Tommy_Trojan · 1 year ago

WEA:

For sure - he's the # 1 (and only) FUCLA fan. Always rootin' for the underdog...It's a sickness.

baldeagle · 12 months ago

...Stanford...UCLA...Oregon State...all teams who step up w/a work ethic from time to time, to remind everyone what's more important than a Trojan sense of entitlement.

Tim WhooHa · 1 year ago

Wow, these fan posts reveal, more than anything else, that a whole lot of people out there in cyberspace are a) borderline illiterate, b) not so good at fact-checking, and c) spoon-feed mass-media zombies who are all-too-content with letting ESPN girlie-boys like Mark May do their thinking for them.

Boise State, and all mid-majors, are really screwed year in a year out. BSU's attempt to schedule big schools usually falls on deaf ears. Wussy schools like Wisconsin will only schedule a 3 and 1 (meaning BSU would have to travel to Madison 3 times in order to get Wisconsin to play in Boise even once.) I personally think BSU should take the 3-1 options instead of insisting on a home/away contracts. But I'm not the AD. conspiracy theorists take note: As long as the BCS schools continue to turn down offers to play mid-majors, the mid-majors will be mostly left out of the BCS rankings. The BCS system rewards its own, and penalizes everyone else.

If the BCS is really a fair system, like the football power-mongers like to pretend, then why don't they simply take the top 10 teams for these games? By skipping no. 9 BSU in favor of a MEDIOCRE no. 10 Ohio State, aren't the BSC dorks really saying that they don't agree with their heralded computer system?

And back to Ohio State. . .here's a little test. . .write down the Ohio State 2008 schedule, including scores, but don't include any indication of who's schedule it belongs to. Show it to others and see what kind of reaction you get. Troy? Illinois? They barely beat Wisconsin. Fresno lost to Wisconsin by a field goal, yet Boise pasted Fresno 61 to 10. OSU's marquee win was Michigan State? Seriously? I know that we could sit here all day comparing who beat who (example: USC pasted Ohio State, then got beat by Oregon State, who got creamed by Oregon, who got beat at home by . . . Boise State!), but my main point here is simple - either embrace the BCS to the letter - the best tens teams, according to the rankings, should play in the top 5 bowls, period. Otherwise, scrap the whole thing and make bowls about the sport of football and not about the money.

And more than anything, I would love to see Ohio State and Boise State schedule a home/away. OSU has everything to lose, and would never agree to it. . .but really, how cool would that be?

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 1 year ago

Good post, new guy. I think you have some points. But the answer to your question is YES, do whatever you can to beef up the OOC schedule. That's the only thing you can do to gain respect other than to join a BCS conference.

Give the Pac-10 another 3 years. They may hang the 'vacancy' sign up by then...

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

"If the BCS is really a fair system, like the football power-mongers like to pretend, then why don't they simply take the top 10 teams for these games? By skipping no. 9 BSU in favor of a MEDIOCRE no. 10 Ohio State, aren't the BSC dorks really saying that they don't agree with their heralded computer system?"

Who said they thought it was "fair"? It hasn't been fair from the beginning, and that's been obvious to everybody. The only way College Football was going to get away from human polls to "decide" the National Champion was to make a deal with all the power brokers to come up with a system. Voila! The BCS is born, and thus, you have the famed "BCS conferences", with the tie-ins still in place, and the lower conferences on the outside looking in.

This is the system we're dealt with. I think this is the only system where the Alinsky method should be used in order to force it to fail. That is, force the BCS to live up to it's own rules until it collapses on itself. Which, of course, it's been shown to have been doing since the beginning.

"And more than anything, I would love to see Ohio State and Boise State schedule a home/away. OSU has everything to lose, and would never agree to it. . .but really, how cool would that be?"

As Kevin, the site owner said already, Boise State needs to do what FSU did. FSU built their program by playing anybody, anywhere at the beginning of their program. It took a while, but now they're an established and respected program.

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

Who said they thought it was "fair"? It hasn't been fair from the beginning, and that's been obvious to everybody. The only way College Football was going to get away from human polls to "decide" the National Champion was to make a deal with all the power brokers to come up with a system. Voila! The BCS is born, and thus, you have the famed "BCS conferences", with the tie-ins still in place, and the lower conferences on the outside looking in.

This is the best arguement so far in support of Ohio State.

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

I'm not so sure. What did blue chip recruits think of the difference between Boise State (Or TCU, Utah, et al?) and Ohio State prior to the formation of the BCS, if they had their choice between playing a lot of minutes at the two schools? What do they think now? Do you think that's changed at all? I don't.

99 times out of 100, a blue chip recruit is going to go with what are now considered "BCS conferences", whether the BCS system is in place or not, and this is no different than the pre-BCS years. And that's because the "non-BCS conferences" haven't closed the gap, nor have they gotten worse competition-wise, since the BCS system was formed.

The best argument is and always has been SoS. It's as inevitable as the passing of time.

#1 BSU fan · 1 year ago

While im the biggest bronco fan i know, i just couldnt see Bsu beating Osu. Maybe at home but i dont know. I think their O line would dominant our a D line therefore Chris wells would tear our team up considering hes probally just as big as our linebackers. My predicted score would be 27 20 in a high octane match. Even though this is irrelevant.

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

I don't see either team scoring less then 30. By Boise State's standards 27-20 is low octane.

Tyler · 1 year ago

I'm an avid Boise State fan, and was at the Fiesta Bowl and every home game since 1992. I'm not complaining because Boise State will be back in the next few years. We have an extremely young team, and we'll have our shot again. If we are forced to the H-Bowl, we'll go there and dominate.

kingnewby · 1 year ago

All of this rambling is pointless. The fact is on any given day any team can loose to somebody is shouldn't. OU should have never lost the Bowl in 06 but they did. fact of the matter at the collage level any team can win granted some have better odds, but all in all why does it matter. Personally I would love to see BSU in a bowl, but if they are passed up they are passed up. bottom line is still when you look at the best 25 in the nation anybody can beat number 1 with %10 talent and %90 luck.

Prof. · 1 year ago

Anybody out there understand football? All comments are statistical. Those who have "seen" Boise State play big school powerhouses like Oregon and Oklahoma recognize that, in terms of quickness and agility, Boise is a man-for-man match. Their weakness is always depth. Boise cannot substitute and the powerhouses can. Towards the end of the game they fade. Happened with Oklahoma, Oregon and Oregon State. They must build up a lead and hope the end-game fade will not overcome it. It is pure fan self-delusion to assume Boise will be crushed by big conference reputation. Under estimating an opponent is formula for defeat.

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

The advantage Utah and Bosie State will have in the BCS is this:

Utah and Boise State would be in a spot above their expectations and ready to play lights out. This would be enough to win over Cincinnati, Virginia Tech or Boston College.

Texas, Oklahoma, Florida or Alabama would be disappointed about missing the NCG. It is significantly harder to get motivated after a disappointing finish.

Penn State, Ohio State and USC would be a different story. Like an angry bear they would come out to destroy Utah or Boise State.

With a Poinsettia Bowl TCU vs Boise State we would have a disappointed Boise State vs a bear of a TCU team.

4cornerz · 1 year ago

I think if your team is apart of BCS conference and you did not finish in the top 12 of any poll the BCS school should play the mid major school who is rank higher than the BCS school.

BSU should play in BCS game over OSU

thebuckstopshere · 1 year ago

Which brings me to my next point kids.

Don't do drugs!

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

Definitely.

Tom_Blogical · 1 year ago

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Eric · 1 year ago

4cornerz

Ohio State did finish in the top 12, heck, they finished in the top 10.

Kinda blows your argument out of the water, doesn't it?

4cornerz · 1 year ago

No. I rather see BSU in a BCS than OSU, but OSU has a stronger Alumni and huge fan base it is all about the money and OSU will generate more money than BSU

deathvalley56 · 1 year ago

The answer is simple to "Should Boise State be in the BCS? NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Who do they play? Look at their schedule. They only played one team that might be considered pretty good, Oregon, 37-32; and that's it!!!! Nobody on their schedule except Oregon is or was in the top 25, I don't believe. Boise State is certainly not as good as their record indicates, that's for sure; and I would like to say one thing about a playoff system between these so called B.C.S. Bowl eligible teams : If we did have a playoff system with the only undefeated teams in the B.C.S. Standings, how does this sound : Alabama, Utah, Boise State, Ball State? ..................... That's what I thought!!!

FSU_Ben · 1 year ago

Ok the BCS is thinking like this. Money. BSU=less. It just won't happen. OSU is going. Not much worth talking about when we know the outcome. They already have to take crap utah (moneywise I mean), Probably crap BC, and craptastic cincinnati. They aren't trying to be fair, they don't have to take Boise and they won't. It's that simple. One person suggested that they may take Boise if Oklahoma was in the Fiesta. That is probably the best percentage shot at 5%. That is a 5% chance that the BCS will extend goodwill to Boise and to what would be a moderate at best BCS bowl. I'm not sure why people care what bowl they get in it will never be the NC game. Is it because you want your school to get the money of a BCS bowl? There are good games to be played outside the BCS. Several of them will be better than at least one BCS bowl and likely two.

Mark · 1 year ago

People seem to forget one thing.... Chris Petersen. Argueably the best college football coach in the nation. As long as he's at BSU you can bet that BSU will be busting BCS bowls year in and year out. This guy is a mastermind and knows how to prepare his players. Two undefeated seasons in 3 years... impressive! I would bet money on Boise beating ANYONE in the top 10.

FSU_Ben · 1 year ago

Are you Chris Peterson? I can't see any reason why anyone would both post and believe that statement.

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

Isn't that what they said about Hawkins? How is he doing at Colorado?

Maybe Boise State has built a solid infrastructure conducive to producing winning programs with a competent coach.

eipiphi · 1 year ago

I consider it a tossup between Ohio State and Boise State for the last spot, and if you have a good reason for choosing one over the other, so be it. But one argument I see here carries very little weight, and that is that OSU's SoS is #45 and Boise's is #115. Please remember the main reason OSU has a better SoS is that they played AND LOST to two Top-6 teams. If Boise State had scheduled the New York Giants and Tennessee Titans instead of their worst WAC opponents, and gotten waxed by 80 points apiece, they'd have the same two losses as Ohio State but their SoS would likely be in the top 10 in the nation. So what? Do we really want to reward teams for getting clobbered? Better would be to compute Ohio State's SoS is in the 10 games they won, then do the same for Boise State's 10 best wins. At least then you would be comparing numbers that mean something.

FSU_Ben · 1 year ago

I gave you the argument that will be used. It's not a good one. Argueing that they should be in a bowl is moot. They won't be in a BCS bowl.

lsw1369 · 1 year ago

This is not the same Boise State team that trick-played their way to a win against OU. And OU looked more like PU that year anyway. They should lose points just for having a home field that blinds you if you watch their games. Why does Notre Dame have so many championships? Because they played a powerhouse program EVERY week. A close loss to a USC or Michigan historically looks nicer than a beatdown of Idaho North Central Valley Technical and Trade High School/ University of the Arts.

baldeagle · 12 months ago

Boise State led Oklahoma by ten or more points most of the game, lost the lead with 1:26 remaining, then came back to win.

Trick plays? OK--henceforth, no deception shall be tolerated in football plays. All plays will be as follows: 1) the same ball carrier, always, over right tackle, or 2) a Hail Mary.

What an interesting team yours must be. Sounds like it must be Chokelahoma.

1Tomcat · 12 months ago

baldeagle Oklahoma lost to Texas that year too and it wasnt because of the Pac-10 refs like their lost to Oregon that year either. I also watched them squeeze out one against Texas A&M that year too. We were glad yall beat OU that year, but they werent the best team from the XII that year
2006 XII game OU vs Neb two teams Texas beat
2008 XII game OU vs Missu two teams Texas beat

FSU_Ben · 1 year ago

5-16 overall against BCS opponents. Every team we are talking about going to the BCS beat more overall BCS opponents in a SEASON then that. Those teams range the entire spectrum of the BCS from Arkansas (LOSS) to Oklahoma (That trick play win). Earn your place in the BCS by making that a winning record. Or join the Big East and you can take CIncinnati's spot.

FSU_Ben · 1 year ago

Every other team except Utah I mean. Utah didn't beat that many BCS opponents but since the BCS has to take one team if they meet qualifications (Conf. Champ in top 12 or so, or ranked over a BCS Conf. Champ) that is the better choice. I didn't count this year's win over Oregon.

BTW to do what FSU it is best to be independent as we were. We would play 7-8 away games against some pretty stiff schools. Every year we played Florida and Miami to start (ok those were generally home and away series but not always) this is like Boise playing USC and Oklahoma every year (closest good teams I could think of even though Georgia would have been closer for FSU). In 1986 we played @michigan (no return game) '87 @Michigan State (came to Tally the next year). We played many series against Auburn, LSU, Alabama. In 1981 alone we played 11-1 Pitt, Notre Dame, LSU, Ohio State all away. We also play either Miami or Florida Away (won three of those games losing to both of our instate rivals).

Want respect? Hit the road. Earn it. You won't get home/aways and probably wont even get 2 away for 1 home often. We visited Nebraska two years in a row with nothing in return. You have 5-6 possible ooc games? Make them all BCS opponents, I mean big cats and not oregon although that is a quality win for you people don't care, they are building a program there too.

fixedlife · 1 year ago

Strength of schedule arguments fail because they presume the BCS conferences are stronger. Would somebody please point out one great out of conference win by the Big 10 (actually 11) this year? Having trouble? You should be having trouble because that big win DOESN'T EXIST. You mean all those five star players in those 11 schools with their huge fan bases and their over paid coaches produced how many great out of conference wins? The only way the Big 10 will get even one high quality win out of conference this season will be if PSU beats USC. Until then the Big 10 hasn't proven anything. Beating up on each other doesn't count when you can't pull off a big win out of conference. Yet, OSU's strength of schedule is tougher because they played the Big 10 teams. That kind of thinking is called circular reasoning.

The bottom line here is the Big 10 and their commissioner is the primary reason why we do not have a playoff system. I can't believe we are going to decide the national championship after over 100 years of playing big time college football by rankings. Unbelievable. This should be settled on the field in a playoff system, period.

baldeagle · 12 months ago

I must respectfully disagree. The national championship should be determined by the Mark May Big and Naturally Talented Index, by adding each team's totals at the beginning of the season. The team with the highest score is National Champ--unless there's a tie--in which case the team with the biggest sense of entitlement wins.

fixedlife · 1 year ago

Follow Up

The primary reason why the Big 10 does not have a high quality win out of conference has to do a lot with scheduling. They simply didn't schedule many big time match-ups out of conference. The primary reason why, and why it is this way for many other BCS schools as well as the primary reason why most BCS conference schools won't go one for one with Boise State or other schools is this: Its all about the money. Each BCS school is different, but the concept is the same. Schedule some teams that will come for the money you pay them, sell out your 110,000 seat stadium and make a bunch of money. It is all about the money. Why would you go to Boise State to play in a stadium that seats 32,000 people and get a tiny amount of money when you can schedule Troy and make a couple million? It is all about the economics. How are schools like Boise State and Utah supposed to compete on a year to year basis playing all non-conference road games.? It is the home games that bring the money in to the program. Money in to the program means better facilities and the ability to keep good coaches. The BCS schools have no incentive to go 1 to 1 with non-BCS schools and non-BCS schools desperately need their home games to try and keep up. The bottom line is the BCS schools will sell out their stadiums if they bring in a high school team. Ticket sales is what it is about.

I am a Boise State fan, but for the life of me I cannot see why the Mountain West or the PAC 10 does not bring Boise State in. The Pac 10 does not want to expand and that is fine, but it is going to be a very long time before Washington State is good again. It is much easier to recruit to Boise State than it is to WSU. Have you been there? You think going to Boise is bad, trying playing a game in the middle of a wheat field! it is cold and windy there. Washington State will be a cellar dweller for a long time and Washington is years away from being a good team.

The Mountain West has nothing to lose by bringing Boise State in. In fact, I believe bringing Boise State in to the MWC might actually give an undefeated winner of the MWC a chance to play for the National Championship. Imagine if instead of trouncing San Diego State, Utah had pulled off a win at Boise State the week before beating BYU. How high would Utah be in the rankings? Maybe not this year, but on another year pulling off an undefeated season in the MWC would be a bigger feat than doing so in other BCS conferences. Ask Oregon State how easy it is to win in Boise (Mike Reilly's comment after the last time in Boise was "I used to like that town"). Bottom line is it would be good for Utah, BYU, TCU, and Boise State to have BSU in the conference. Show me one other conference that has four top quality teams like those year in and year out.

baldeagle · 12 months ago

Fixedlife, you speak wisdom and reason.

FSU_Ben · 12 months ago

Fixedlife, I agree the MWC is on the verge and should take Boise and Fresno and dump wyoming. They could also take Tulsa and from there they could perhaps be considered for BCS status. I would like to see them take 12 teams but there just isn't much out there worth taking, I guess San Jose... maybe Montana if it wants to jump to FBS. Now that would be a valuble television conference that would have more depth in the large california market. Having an Idaho team beats the crap out of having Wyoming. If the PAC-10 expands the best picks for them are Utah and BYU so I wouldn't spend my time hoping there (UNLV has some potential too but they don't need anything from the WAC). There is still space for one more BCS conference and it probably should be a western one.

As to your argument about OSU and the BIG-10 OOC stuff they are playing each other in conference and for sure having 5-star recruits makes a difference. I would pit almost anything out of the east against Boise and expect them to win. Middle of the pack Big -10 Northwestern would beat Boise. I watch Boise football and they look like the highschool kids around the corner (I am not exagerrating they do have a lot of state championships but they are all about the size of that little team Boise fields).

Boise can't find a quality win -->in<-- conference. Fresno is #1 win, check them on the power rankings. OOC oregon raises an eyebrow until you read how many problems they had this year even fielding a strong team due to injuries. Don't think we missed that Boise state feels it needs a I-AA patsy on it's schedule (Idaho State) before it begins that rough league play. I realize it looks bad for BCS teams to schedule sissies but they earned thier way there, need the break, and have foolish boosters that only look at wins# vs Loss#s. You aren't quite ready to be scheduleing Idaho State and you certainly don't suffer from high expectations yet.

BabmiB · 6 days ago

The BS of allowing conference "champions" automatic BCS bowl slots needs to end. If you're not in the top 14, you shouldn't go to a BCS bowl. Period.

And no 10-2 teams are allowed until all the undefeateds have BCS bowl berths, no 9-3 teams unless all the 11-1 teams are already in BCS bowls.

We don't want to watch a bunch of 9-3 teams just because they happen to play in a conference where everyone is WORSE than they are!

Dr_DX · 6 days ago

I understand your point of view and you are correct to some point. However, you have to take SOS into consideration. It would be ridiculous not to. However(X2), how do you punish a team that dose everything they have to? We need a playoff!