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Re: Should Boise State be in the BCS?

Dr_DX — Sat, 28 Nov 2009 20:13:56 -0000

I understand your point of view and you are correct to some point. However, you have to take SOS into consideration. It would be ridiculous not to. However(X2), how do you punish a team that dose everything they have to? We need a playoff!

Re: Should Boise State be in the BCS?

BambiB — Sat, 28 Nov 2009 19:40:57 -0000

The BS of allowing conference "champions" automatic BCS bowl slots needs to end. If you're not in the top 14, you shouldn't go to a BCS bowl. Period.

And no 10-2 teams are allowed until all the undefeateds have BCS bowl berths, no 9-3 teams unless all the 11-1 teams are already in BCS bowls.

We don't want to watch a bunch of 9-3 teams just because they happen to play in a conference where everyone is WORSE than they are!

Re: Should Boise State be in the BCS?

FSU_Ben — Sat, 06 Dec 2008 01:25:59 -0000

Fixedlife, I agree the MWC is on the verge and should take Boise and Fresno and dump wyoming. They could also take Tulsa and from there they could perhaps be considered for BCS status. I would like to see them take 12 teams but there just isn't much out there worth taking, I guess San Jose... maybe Montana if it wants to jump to FBS. Now that would be a valuble television conference that would have more depth in the large california market. Having an Idaho team beats the crap out of having Wyoming. If the PAC-10 expands the best picks for them are Utah and BYU so I wouldn't spend my time hoping there (UNLV has some potential too but they don't need anything from the WAC). There is still space for one more BCS conference and it probably should be a western one.

As to your argument about OSU and the BIG-10 OOC stuff they are playing each other in conference and for sure having 5-star recruits makes a difference. I would pit almost anything out of the east against Boise and expect them to win. Middle of the pack Big -10 Northwestern would beat Boise. I watch Boise football and they look like the highschool kids around the corner (I am not exagerrating they do have a lot of state championships but they are all about the size of that little team Boise fields).

Boise can't find a quality win -->in<-- conference. Fresno is #1 win, check them on the power rankings. OOC oregon raises an eyebrow until you read how many problems they had this year even fielding a strong team due to injuries. Don't think we missed that Boise state feels it needs a I-AA patsy on it's schedule (Idaho State) before it begins that rough league play. I realize it looks bad for BCS teams to schedule sissies but they earned thier way there, need the break, and have foolish boosters that only look at wins# vs Loss#s. You aren't quite ready to be scheduleing Idaho State and you certainly don't suffer from high expectations yet.

Re: Should Boise State be in the BCS?

baldeagle — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 15:09:45 -0000

Fixedlife, you speak wisdom and reason.

Re: Should Boise State be in the BCS?

1Tomcat — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 15:08:40 -0000

baldeagle Oklahoma lost to Texas that year too and it wasnt because of the Pac-10 refs like their lost to Oregon that year either. I also watched them squeeze out one against Texas A&M that year too. We were glad yall beat OU that year, but they werent the best team from the XII that year
2006 XII game OU vs Neb two teams Texas beat
2008 XII game OU vs Missu two teams Texas beat

Re: Should Boise State be in the BCS?

baldeagle — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 14:51:16 -0000

I must respectfully disagree. The national championship should be determined by the Mark May Big and Naturally Talented Index, by adding each team's totals at the beginning of the season. The team with the highest score is National Champ--unless there's a tie--in which case the team with the biggest sense of entitlement wins.

Re: Should Boise State be in the BCS?

baldeagle — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 14:43:44 -0000

Boise State led Oklahoma by ten or more points most of the game, lost the lead with 1:26 remaining, then came back to win.

Trick plays? OK--henceforth, no deception shall be tolerated in football plays. All plays will be as follows: 1) the same ball carrier, always, over right tackle, or 2) a Hail Mary.

What an interesting team yours must be. Sounds like it must be Chokelahoma.

Re: Should Boise State be in the BCS?

Tom_Blogical — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 14:38:18 -0000

"...in fact led the whole game until 1:26 remaining..."

Lessee, baldeagle...

Boise State was down by a TD, and most of the nation thought they were out with 1:02 to go (not 1:26) with their REGULAR game.

"...a MIRACLE win? I think not . Those "trick" plays at the end were good, but their REGULAR game was what beat Oklahoma."

You're contradicting yourself. Yes, MIRACLE win. The "trick" plays at the end that were good was what beat Oklahoma. Their REGULAR game (that includes DEFENSE) was what got them behind in the game with 1:02 remaining...Oklahoma scored 3 straight times (1 FG and 2 TDs) in the 4th quarter, featuring a "pick 6" off of BSU's REGULAR offense. After that came the famous Hook and Ladder play (the box score doesn't show it, but I'm pretty sure that was on a 4th down) for a TD, leaving 7 seconds remaining, followed by the just as famous Statue of Liberty play in overtime.

Since it appears you didn't watch, or you forget, the details of the game, here is the box score for your reading enjoyment.

I still think it was a great game and a great win for BSU, but the fact is, it was definitely a MIRACLE for any team to come back and win a game in a situation like that.

I give credit for BSU winning, but in all honesty, Oklahoma blew it, and it took 2 trick plays to beat them.

Re: Should Boise State be in the BCS?

baldeagle — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 14:24:26 -0000

...Stanford...UCLA...Oregon State...all teams who step up w/a work ethic from time to time, to remind everyone what's more important than a Trojan sense of entitlement.

Re: Should Boise State be in the BCS?

baldeagle — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 14:10:30 -0000

Lessee, Tom...

Boise State led most of the Fiesta Bowl by a coupla TD's, in fact led the whole game until 1:26 remaining...

...a MIRACLE win? I think not . Those "trick" plays at the end were good, but their REGULAR game was what beat Oklahoma.

Re: Should Boise State be in the BCS?

baldeagle — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 13:59:56 -0000

...and what Oregon State did to USC...

Re: Should Boise State be in the BCS?

baldeagle — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 13:55:47 -0000

Ball State is afraid to play Boise State.

Re: Should Boise State be in the BCS?

baldeagle — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 13:50:11 -0000

Tommy, the Mark May School of Football Prognostication teaches that only those scoring the highest on the MMSFP Big and Naturally Talented Index even deserve to play the game; games like Oregon State/USC this year are just a fluke.

Matter of fact, why even play ANY games? Just do the team totals on the MMSFP BNT Index at the beginning of each season, and the highest scoring team is National Champ!

Bottom line: Everybody loves to see David and Goliath play, for the attitude adjustment that is in order for Goliath.

Re: Should Boise State be in the BCS?

OleBlueDog — Thu, 04 Dec 2008 10:21:44 -0000

"Idaho State, Bowling Green, and Southern Miss just don't cut it."

But Youngstown State, Troy, and Ohio do? I don't see a whole lot of difference in his 3 and yours... both have a 1-AA, both have a MAC team, and I'd go as far to say that their ConfUSA team (SoMiss) looks better than your Sunbelt team (Troy). Wow as I look at this closer, you beat your 1-AA by 43 they beat theirs by 42, you beat your MAC by 12 and they beat theirs by 13, and you beat Troy by 18 as they beat SoMiss by 17. So I guess the only difference is the conference, right? And you don't have much of an advantage there... Better hope the MWC expansion doesn't go through, then you wouldn't have much of an advantage at all.

Oh and in regards to PLAYING Southern Cal, as you claim.... scoring a solitary field goal in a huge loss, doesn't constitute much of a contribution to PLAYING that game.

Re: Should Boise State be in the BCS?

OleBlueDog — Thu, 04 Dec 2008 10:20:32 -0000

Meant to post below...

Re: Should Boise State be in the BCS?

fixedlife — Thu, 04 Dec 2008 00:09:00 -0000

Follow Up

The primary reason why the Big 10 does not have a high quality win out of conference has to do a lot with scheduling. They simply didn't schedule many big time match-ups out of conference. The primary reason why, and why it is this way for many other BCS schools as well as the primary reason why most BCS conference schools won't go one for one with Boise State or other schools is this: Its all about the money. Each BCS school is different, but the concept is the same. Schedule some teams that will come for the money you pay them, sell out your 110,000 seat stadium and make a bunch of money. It is all about the money. Why would you go to Boise State to play in a stadium that seats 32,000 people and get a tiny amount of money when you can schedule Troy and make a couple million? It is all about the economics. How are schools like Boise State and Utah supposed to compete on a year to year basis playing all non-conference road games.? It is the home games that bring the money in to the program. Money in to the program means better facilities and the ability to keep good coaches. The BCS schools have no incentive to go 1 to 1 with non-BCS schools and non-BCS schools desperately need their home games to try and keep up. The bottom line is the BCS schools will sell out their stadiums if they bring in a high school team. Ticket sales is what it is about.

I am a Boise State fan, but for the life of me I cannot see why the Mountain West or the PAC 10 does not bring Boise State in. The Pac 10 does not want to expand and that is fine, but it is going to be a very long time before Washington State is good again. It is much easier to recruit to Boise State than it is to WSU. Have you been there? You think going to Boise is bad, trying playing a game in the middle of a wheat field! it is cold and windy there. Washington State will be a cellar dweller for a long time and Washington is years away from being a good team.

The Mountain West has nothing to lose by bringing Boise State in. In fact, I believe bringing Boise State in to the MWC might actually give an undefeated winner of the MWC a chance to play for the National Championship. Imagine if instead of trouncing San Diego State, Utah had pulled off a win at Boise State the week before beating BYU. How high would Utah be in the rankings? Maybe not this year, but on another year pulling off an undefeated season in the MWC would be a bigger feat than doing so in other BCS conferences. Ask Oregon State how easy it is to win in Boise (Mike Reilly's comment after the last time in Boise was "I used to like that town"). Bottom line is it would be good for Utah, BYU, TCU, and Boise State to have BSU in the conference. Show me one other conference that has four top quality teams like those year in and year out.

Re: Should Boise State be in the BCS?

fixedlife — Wed, 03 Dec 2008 23:31:29 -0000

Strength of schedule arguments fail because they presume the BCS conferences are stronger. Would somebody please point out one great out of conference win by the Big 10 (actually 11) this year? Having trouble? You should be having trouble because that big win DOESN'T EXIST. You mean all those five star players in those 11 schools with their huge fan bases and their over paid coaches produced how many great out of conference wins? The only way the Big 10 will get even one high quality win out of conference this season will be if PSU beats USC. Until then the Big 10 hasn't proven anything. Beating up on each other doesn't count when you can't pull off a big win out of conference. Yet, OSU's strength of schedule is tougher because they played the Big 10 teams. That kind of thinking is called circular reasoning.

The bottom line here is the Big 10 and their commissioner is the primary reason why we do not have a playoff system. I can't believe we are going to decide the national championship after over 100 years of playing big time college football by rankings. Unbelievable. This should be settled on the field in a playoff system, period.

Re: Should Boise State be in the BCS?

FSU_Ben — Wed, 03 Dec 2008 19:47:32 -0000

Every other team except Utah I mean. Utah didn't beat that many BCS opponents but since the BCS has to take one team if they meet qualifications (Conf. Champ in top 12 or so, or ranked over a BCS Conf. Champ) that is the better choice. I didn't count this year's win over Oregon.

BTW to do what FSU it is best to be independent as we were. We would play 7-8 away games against some pretty stiff schools. Every year we played Florida and Miami to start (ok those were generally home and away series but not always) this is like Boise playing USC and Oklahoma every year (closest good teams I could think of even though Georgia would have been closer for FSU). In 1986 we played @michigan (no return game) '87 @Michigan State (came to Tally the next year). We played many series against Auburn, LSU, Alabama. In 1981 alone we played 11-1 Pitt, Notre Dame, LSU, Ohio State all away. We also play either Miami or Florida Away (won three of those games losing to both of our instate rivals).

Want respect? Hit the road. Earn it. You won't get home/aways and probably wont even get 2 away for 1 home often. We visited Nebraska two years in a row with nothing in return. You have 5-6 possible ooc games? Make them all BCS opponents, I mean big cats and not oregon although that is a quality win for you people don't care, they are building a program there too.

Re: Should Boise State be in the BCS?

FSU_Ben — Wed, 03 Dec 2008 19:45:15 -0000

5-16 overall against BCS opponents. Every team we are talking about going to the BCS beat more overall BCS opponents in a SEASON then that. Those teams range the entire spectrum of the BCS from Arkansas (LOSS) to Oklahoma (That trick play win). Earn your place in the BCS by making that a winning record. Or join the Big East and you can take CIncinnati's spot.

Re: Should Boise State be in the BCS?

4cornerz — Wed, 03 Dec 2008 08:22:04 -0000

No. I rather see BSU in a BCS than OSU, but OSU has a stronger Alumni and huge fan base it is all about the money and OSU will generate more money than BSU

Re: Should Boise State be in the BCS?

lsw1369 — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 10:19:58 -0000

This is not the same Boise State team that trick-played their way to a win against OU. And OU looked more like PU that year anyway. They should lose points just for having a home field that blinds you if you watch their games. Why does Notre Dame have so many championships? Because they played a powerhouse program EVERY week. A close loss to a USC or Michigan historically looks nicer than a beatdown of Idaho North Central Valley Technical and Trade High School/ University of the Arts.

Re: Should Boise State be in the BCS?

Tom_Blogical — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 08:36:42 -0000

"The only way that we can dominate these guys is to control the line of scrimmage."

Yeah, and USC may do that if they get them on their heels, but not for long. Their O and D-lines are very good. If USC can't run the ball and can't get PSU off the field, it's going to be a long night for USC. I really think PSU will be able to control the clock; I think they have an advantage with their O-line over USC's D-line. We'll see though.

"You should have been a Wolverine!"

That's just wrong on so many levels. Are you trying to insult me? :-)

Re: Should Boise State be in the BCS?

Ben Prather — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 08:17:35 -0000

Isn't that what they said about Hawkins? How is he doing at Colorado?

Maybe Boise State has built a solid infrastructure conducive to producing winning programs with a competent coach.

Re: Should Boise State be in the BCS?

Tommy_Trojan — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 00:34:49 -0000

Tom:

Actually, if the truth be told, I do think that this is a real good Penn State team. Penn State has given us, and everybody else for that matter, real problems where it comes to Bowl games. I'd actually be real pleased to get out of this one with a seven point win. Although we could beat this team down - I really don't think that it is gonna happen. I'd be shocked. Penn State's stats appear to make them very legit to me. Also, we have had a historically bad time against mobile QB's like Clark. The only way that we can dominate these guys is to control the line of scrimmage. That will be the test. Honestly, I think we'll do some of that, but we're not gonna blow these guys out like we've done to so many other BCS bowl teams. I see this one as being the most hard fought game. Just wanted to see your BIG 10 hair stand up. You should have been a Wolverine!

Re: Should Boise State be in the BCS?

Tommy_Trojan — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 00:25:11 -0000

WEA:

For sure - he's the # 1 (and only) FUCLA fan. Always rootin' for the underdog...It's a sickness.