DISQUS

1Tomcat · 1 year ago

Hey Zac My eyetalian buddy, I didnt get a chance to see that game, were yalls refs from the PAC-10 or did yall just beat the Sooners outright like Texas Tech and Colorado,.
Texas 4 straight bowl wins

Kevin @ Fanblogs · 1 year ago

Tomcat - You can find that came free of charge on Hulu.com. Enjoy the beatdown.

1Tomcat · 1 year ago

Thanks Kev We enjoy watching the sooners get beat thanks
Cant wait for those TCU Frogs and Texas Tech Red Raiders to whup OU again like the last time they played them

OU_Ron · 1 year ago

TC, why don't ya Hulu.com for Texas vs K State for the last two meetings, that should really give you some chills, hmmm

Zac · 1 year ago

WAIT A Minute; wait a minute. R U tell'n me U missed the 2008 Fiesta Bowl. There it was: another opportunity for a TX fan to see OK get beat, and U missed it? ABSOLUTELY OUTRAGEOUS!!! Why back in my RAF days…ahem. To me, it was just like when WVU played GA. All game long I was in disbelief waiting for the other shoe to drop, which didn't happen. Sorry you missed it.

SoonerMinister · 1 year ago

Even if the penalties don't hurt the teams win/loss-wise, they probably hurt quite a bit on the recruiting front.

Anyone looking to discuss Big12 penalties should head to bigxiiboards.com for team specific forums.

Lennie Collins · 1 year ago

SoonerMinister...good webpage. I am surprised you gave Texas that much of a chance. Oklahoma will preform a Red River Beatdown 52-17. Oklahoma by 35 points, easily!

OU_Ron · 1 year ago

Good to see another Sooner Fan on here, don't be a stranger.....

1Tomcat · 1 year ago

Where's Lennie in defense of a certain coach ? that didnt ? do what ?
BTW Eric Dickerson didnt get his Pontiac from SMU

Lennie Collins · 1 year ago

1Tomcat what certain coach? I have never and will never defend any coach if he is in the wrong. You self righteous Texas fans I have stated in the past is the ones who think your programs is always been clean. I have asked for facts about Barry Switzer's guilt and you Texas fans havn't produced any just opinions. I actually meet a guy who play football and was friends with Eric Dickerson and he told me that Texas gave/offered Eric Dickerson gifts to come there. He has no cause to lie in my opinion.

1Tomcat · 1 year ago

Did your frriend play for the Sealy Tigers?
They had a great team, we played them .
Its all old stuff now, the Pontiac thing
BTW The car came from A&M boosters

Lennie Collins · 1 year ago

It does not matter! I don't care. It's silly Texas fans that keep bring up the Barry Switzer "cheating" topic. I am surprised you clowns have not petitioned Congress to investigate these allegations! I don't care if or what Texas offered him to play. He did not go there. I do not care what penalties Texas had on Fred Ackers watch. I have yet to read Oklahoma fans bring that up but you Texas fans hold on to that Barry Switzer cheated theory like superglue. That just another way Texas fans can justify Oklahoma having 7 National Titles in football to Texas 4. Let it go. Move on!

1Tomcat · 1 year ago

I'll remind you that no where in any of my posts did I mention a certain school or
did I make any allegations concerning any coaches.
The way I look at it, its all water under the bridge as to whether this happened
or that happened, you'll probably get over it eventually.
The main topic of the thread is NCAA violations right ?
Why would a particular coaches name even come up, heck I dunno
As a Texas fan I have alot of respect for our former adversaries
Hookem-Horns

Lennie Collins · 1 year ago

1Tomcat I'll remind you that no where in any of my post did I mention a certain Texas Longhorns fan sound like a fool!

Regan · 1 year ago

Awesome...I love it when money is spent well...

Perhaps the NCAA can one day be as useful as the UN...

Zac · 1 year ago

"Even as the penalties increase in severity…the penalized teams lose no more games…"

"…NCAA itself is doing a very poor job of actually uncovering infractions." (Well, there's a surprise for you.)

"…about two-thirds of all NCAA infraction cases are self-reported …More often than not, those who do not self-report do not get caught." (This one has me feeling like the AFLAC duck, after his experience with Yogi Berra.)

There it is, guys, your tax dollars at work. You know what else I know? You can't fry ice! But, I digress.

Try this for overstating the obvious. The penalties don't work because they target the wrong individuals or group. Whether discovered by the media, reported by a whistle blower, or self-identified by the school, if the infraction is egregious and sanctions are levied, the entire team is made to pay. This makes no sense.

I say, make those involved be made to pay. If it's a coach, member of the staff, or school employee, fire him. If it's an athlete, they lose the scholarship, a year of eligibility, and have to transfer to another school. Of course, even penalties that make sense won't work if nobody gets caught. OOPS, did it again. (Maybe I'll run for office.)

Kevin @ Fanblogs · 1 year ago

Does the NCAA actually get tax dollars?? ;-)

"BC" · 1 year ago

yeahhhhhh. okay. dumbass.
Alabama Won the SEC Championship in 1999
We went on probation in 2000
We are just now starting to recover in 2008.

Thanks NCAA.
PS - no university has control over their boosters. therefore, shouldn't be punished for their actions. the boosters themselves should be punished.

AUtigerman · 1 year ago

Bleed

Why do you and all Bamers think that you are just now recovering. Didnt you have a chance to win the SEC 2 years ago after a 9-0 start only to get smoked by LSU and Auburn? Didnt all of us have to hear how Bama would win a National title in two years only to see the coach get fired?

Is a 6-6 record with a loss to your biggest rival and to lowly Lou Tech constitute a revival or any thing to get excited over?

Well reality never has been real high on most Bama fans list.

"BC" · 1 year ago

oh god.

no. we never couldve won the NC with Mike Shula.
And why do i think we're starting to recover?
We have one of the top 5 head coaches in college football who took Louisiana State from 3-8 to the top program in the country.
He took a terrible Dolphins team and made them somewhat relevant (look what happened to them after Saban left).
Last year he took our team, laid the law down, some players didn't like it and played accordingly. BUT, he recruited the #1 class in the country last year, is working on another top 5 class, and has our team more united and driven towards winning.

Nick Saban has begun "the process" and i'm willing to give him at least a few years to make our team a BCS regular.

Zac · 1 year ago

"Nick Saban has begun "the process" and I'm willing to give him at least a few years to make our team a BCS regular."

Now, that's being reasonable. I can't tell you how many Bama fans I've come across who revere Nick Saban as the 2nd coming. Your expectations make more sense. My hat's off to you.

TigerEducated · 1 year ago

LOL...Two of your kids have already signed major league contracts and will NEVER SEE THE FIELD OF BRYANT DENNY STADIUM.

Another FOUR of your players you signed are in deep academic doo-doo with the NCAA Clearinghouse, at least one of which is trying to explain away an extraordinary jump in ACT test score by claiming he is "Learning Disabled" and the new "unlimited" test time provision he was awarded by the LD disorder allowed him to improve his score 5+ points...

That #1 recruiting class ain't gonna be nowhere near #1 after you factor the attrition in. But, enjoy that "Mack Brown National Championship". Remember...You win actual National Championships in January in BCS Bowls...The ones that Rivals hands out are somewhat akin to that line from Top Gun by Val Kilmer...

"The Trophy for 2nd place is in the Ladies' Room"

'Bout time for you to take a powder and go admire it, by now, right BC?

Bevo_Boy · 1 year ago

Hey, Mack Brown has a National Championship, thank you. Go make fun of Charlie Weiss or something. He has done well recruiting and gotten no success out of it.

"BC" · 1 year ago

haha. why do you think Nick Saban OVERSIGNED our class last year???
because he was planning on losing some commits.
and like it or not mr. TE, but we got the most athletic class in the NATION last year. thats a fact. and i think we'll see around 5 of those guys start for us next year.
it seems like you're just upset because lowly Miles couldn't manage to land a top 10 class after winning the NC. thats just piss-poor recruiting.
we got a better class just for hiring Nick Saban (#10 in the country in 2007)

i mean you can say recruiting doesn't matter, but a study was done to find out whether Rivals.com ratings mattered, and the recruiting ratings were found to have a direct correlation to on-field success. Of course you must have a great coach to win on the field but i think we have that covered.
he's not like miles who will lose at least 2 games every season, even with the most talented team in the country.

TigerEducated · 1 year ago

You're right, BC...Les Miles loses about 2 games/year, every year...

Nick Saban's tenure at LSU:

2000 - 8-4
2001 - 10-3
2002- 8-5
2003 - 13-1
2004 - 9-3

Prior to LSU, he only had ONE season at Michigan State where he lost less than 4 games, which was his last, in 1999, when he left before their bowl game in over Florida, finishing at 9-2...

Saban averaged THREE losses/season at LSU, which is actually one game WORSE than Les has through three seasons.

I'm guessing you'll want to leave out his prior to LSU tenure (Because believe me, you don't want any of those other 5-6, or 6-5 seasons calcuated in from his time in East Lansing, and you DEFINITELY don't want last year's record in Tuscaloser factored in, either, because the loss #'s just keep going up).

BC, you might wanna learn to stop baiting me, kind sir...You usually end up worse for wear, bud...

Zac · 1 year ago

Hey, BC, how ya be? Penalizing boosters should be easy. Finding the bastages, who are involved with NCAA violations, and proving they were involved; that's another story. Once found (fundamentally speaking) if a booster by some means pays to entice a kid to play at their school, that's bribery. There are laws against bribery. The NCAA can have the SOB arrested and put in jail. BUT, as we've already said, good luck finding em.

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 1 year ago

Okay, Bleed. Here goes. From the 2nd dirtiest program to the dirtiest: YES, YOU CAN CONTROL YOUR BOOSTERS. It's the agents that the NCAA thinks that schools have no control over. Perhaps that is correct, but they do have control over the players last time I checked...

Effin' Reggie Bush....

"BC" · 1 year ago

haha. sorry man, but auburn is actually the most penalized program of all time.
and plllease tell me how the university of alabama can control some rich and crazy alum that lives 7 hours from campus?? hell, i could go graduate from auburn, become part of the booster/alumni program?? then openly pay a big recruit, "accidently" get caught, and have auburn's program shut down for the next decade.......
hmmmm. haha

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 1 year ago

All of that sounds feasible--except the part about you graduating from Auburn...

Only one school mentioned in that article was seriously being considered for the death penalty in that article referenced above...

Imagine if that would have come to pass. I truly would have felt sorry for the Tide, but felt sorrier for the SEC. I wonder what conference bylaws allow if a member is given the death penalty? I wonder if they can be kicked out of the conference?

TigerEducated · 1 year ago

Would you like a wheel of cheese with that wine you're swilling?

Boosters should be punished, but if they paid for a guy like Terry Grant, Julio Jones, and John Parker Wilson to get on campus...What the HECK do you to do Alabama if a booster paid for those players to be there?

'Bama's now blameless, and so are the kids? He-double hockeysticks-TO THE NO!

Yeah...VERYYYYYYYY convenient opinion to hold after you got nailed to the wall for your reckless, completely out of touch with reality boosters...Which mirror the rest of your fanbase, only they've got discretionary incomes...

Off the reservation, out of touch, and hellbent that the NCAA is out to get them! Adjust that tinfoil helmet of yours, BC! It might hide that "do" of yours...

-TE-

"BC" · 1 year ago

TE,

if a booster wants Julio Jones to have a new Cadillac, i dont have a problem with it and neither should anyone else haha.

OU_Ron · 1 year ago

Cadillac ? Damn, no wonder we didn't get him, all we could offer was a Pontiac, right-Tomcat...

Zac · 1 year ago

Yo, TE. Thow beingst of intellectual stature, riddle me this. It's OK for an individual or even private organization to provide grant or scholarship money to an academic egg-head, that they may one day (perhaps) win the Nobel Prize in math, physics, or some darn thing as a graduate of that university. BUT, it's not OK for boosters (individuals or even private organizations) to foot the scholarship money for a desired recruit, if said recruit will come play for the school. It seems like a double standard to me. What sayest thee?

TigerEducated · 1 year ago

Well, I'm glad you asked...

Because you're trying to promote education and scholarly work and achievement, which could pay dividends in your local area if the best & brightest of bulbs sticks around after graduation to start a career, family, and develop the community. It's a civic minded, philantrhopic end.

In collegiate athletics, it's all about amateur competition...on a level playing field...

I don't like schools like Catholic High or Parkview Baptist in Baton Rouge to participate against schools that are in the public system and "can't recruit". They're not playing on the same field...

If Arkansas or Oregon were allowed to use booster money to attract recruits, they'd compete for National Titles year in and year out...That's not fair to a school like LSU who may not have a Walton Family or a Phil Knight...

The Yankees win in pro sports because they throw so much money around...Same in the NFL...Though Oakland is a notable exception (they throw the benji's, but they have Al Davis' Joe Paterno-like aged and out of touch self doing the throwing)...

Collegiate athletics is the highest level of amateur athletic competition in our nation...

Football Picks · 1 year ago

All I really want to know is what the heck is any member of the senate doing wasting time on this.....???

Ben Prather · 1 year ago

Ok, for the teams that self report the system is working well.

Why not significantly increase the penalty for those 1/3 of the teams that do not self report. The honest mistakes will self report, and a stiff penalty for not catching your own mistakes would keep mistakes honest.

As for senators wasting time, isn't that what they do? Ever watched C-SPAN-2?

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 1 year ago

I knew we couldn't hold a conversation about NCAA penalties without Barry Switzer's name being mentioned. Not to say he was dirty or anything, just because...

Lennie Collins · 1 year ago

War Eagle Atlanta we could and we can. It's over zealous youngsters like 1Tomcat. If there is proof no problem. Texas fans have no proof and they just cannot get over the fact that Texas has fewer National Titles in football than Oklahoma. A few years ago Texas recruited an offensive lineman from Oklahoma. He was smart for choosing Oklahoma over Texas BUT if a Texas high school football player player choses Oklahoma over Texas then Oklahoma "stole" or "paid" the player. Texas fans just cannot accept the fact that Oklahoma is a better program currently. Texas will have more wins than Oklahoma the next few years not because they are better...Texas is scheduling teams they feel they can beat. I did not hide my feeling about Oklahoma playing a Division 1-AA school. That Texas' style. So when Oklahoma beats down Texas again and win a National Title will will still hear how it was made possible because Barry Switzer CHEATED!

Zac · 1 year ago

"So when Oklahoma beats down Texas again and win a National Title..."

Remember, that'll only happen, as long as OK doesn't play WVU.



(Just yanking your chain, Lennie.)

Lennie Collins · 1 year ago

I guess a team loses once to a team the losing team never will beat the winning team ever. I am glad Navy last year didn't buy into theory when they played Norte Dame last year. I believed that was the first time West Virginia has beaten Oklahoma.

Zac · 1 year ago

Actually, it was the 2nd time. I wanna say 1982; Jeff Hostetler was QB; WVU won in Norman, 41-27, after spotting OK a 14-0 lead. Trust me; I was as shocked as any OK fan, especially considering what OK did to WVU the time before that. (That game wasn't even close.)

What's weird is, after beating Switzer & company in Norman, WVU barely beat MD, the following week 28-27, when MD went for the win with a 2 pt conversion and blew it. Go figure.

Bevo_Boy · 1 year ago

Yeah it was 1982. Oklahoma has beaten WVU twice, also. Once in 1957 and once in 1978. Both of those games were in Norman.