Fanblogs.com: Tebow's Tearful Speech Immortalized at UF
Bama_Babe
· 8 months ago
I'm with Kevin and WEA, but whatever. As long as this plaque and speech isn't discussed next season....doubtful though. I was so sick of hearing and seeing the replays of it last season... But it REALLY annoyed/pissed me off when they showed it on the jumbotron at the SECCG..Really?? So ridiculous.
But the man made a promise, and even if it wasn't all because of him, it was kept. So hooray. Go Gators. Tebow has surpassed the black belt and earned his plaque belt. Wow - I dont think even Chuck Norris has done that before. OMG!
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 8 months ago
Plaque Belt? Too clever!
Yea, they shouldn't have played that video at a neutral site game.
gatorhippy
· 8 months ago
I'm tempted to agree with you...
Given that NOBODY in CFB knows more about how to do deification, memorialization, immortaliztionthan and idolatry than the Bammers...
Zac
· 8 months ago
"OMG!"
Sound'n like a "valley girl" there, B.B.
Ramblin' Gator
· 8 months ago
Personally, I don't see this as being any different than giving individual trophies to underclassmen. The fact that the school/coach put the plaque up - as opposed to a trophy presented by the New York Downtown Athletic Club - is a bit self-serving, but so what? Schools honor athletes, coaches, students, and faculty all the time to improve the stature of the school in addition to honoring the individual.
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 8 months ago
I agree with Kev. Let the kid gradulate before you start putting up any plaques.
U.of S.C.1978
· 8 months ago
It's mildly inspirational, and that's saying a lot for an apology. It's certainly not great oratory. To put it on a wall anywhere, is ridiculous. Had the team not won out, it would be completely forgotten.
The_Observer
· 8 months ago
That's just it, the team DID win out! That's the entire point. I agree it is a little premature to put a plaque on the wall, but it will go down as one of the greatest moments in Gator history because Tebow promised something in SEPTEMBER and he delivered...period.
Kevin @ Fanblogs
· 8 months ago
Really? Greatest moments in Gator history? A locker room press conference?
The_Observer
· 8 months ago
Yes. It is still being talked about months later isn't it? It will be remembered next yeat won't it? When do you think you will forget about it? How many years will that take? Will it ever happen? I know that I won't forget about it, so YES, it was one of the greatest moments in Gator history.
gatorhippy
· 8 months ago
What's "ridiculous", UoSC1978, is that it only took a "mildly insprational" & sub-"great oratory" speech to set the tone for the remainder of the season including that beat down of SoCar by 50 points...
U.of S.C.1978
· 8 months ago
Ouch! Touche'! It's not like it was not already a great team. It's not like they did not have some decent coaches. It's not like The Babe pointing his bat at the wall, and doing it by himself. On the other hand, I see Urban's point. It can't hurt with recruiting.
gatorhippy
· 8 months ago
This is no different than Fraudulently Scholastic U taking a coach who hasn't retired yet and having a statue and stained glass window erected in his likeness while having the field named after him years before he retires...
The difference being Tebow won't burn the program to the ground before he leaves...
Kevin @ Fanblogs
· 8 months ago
I'm not sure if I'm going to agree.... Penn State has the JoPa statue. BYU did their honors. And FSU has its statue as well. (Is there a Bowden stained glass? I don't recall having seen it, but you could be right.) You can disagree, but I think coaches are a completely different ball of wax.
What I can't seem to find is any other record of a college junior's post-game interview being immortalized and displayed on the building. Anybody?
gatorhippy
· 8 months ago
"You can disagree, but I think coaches are a completely different ball of wax."
How?
Kevin @ Fanblogs
· 8 months ago
Coaches are selected by the university and (in most cases) have a legacy at the university that spans more than a couple of seasons. Some schools that don't go through coaches every couple of years may see fit to honor the breadth of accomplishments by a coach if they have stood the test of time. I guess I take refuge in the fact that many schools honor their coaches while they are still employed.
Players, on the other hand, are still forming their status at the university. Their contribution, while significant, is still in flux.
I don't have an issue with honoring a player AFTER they leave the school, I just think it's very premature to do so while their still showing up to classes.
gatorhippy
· 8 months ago
Many schools?
I see you naming three that erected a statue, etc. while the coach is still running the program...
That's a small percentage in comparison to the 119 programs in the subdivision formally known as D-1...
Kevin @ Fanblogs
· 8 months ago
Technically its smaller still, three of 120. :)
You asked how it was different. I gave you my opinion.
If want you want is a list of all the schools that have erected honors to current coaches, I invite you to enjoy the magic of google. I just don't have the time to research it right now. I pulled three off the top of my head. Given my limited brainpower, I suspect that if I can recall three... there are probably a lot more than that.
What I would love to actually hear is your opinion on a university memorializing a current player, versus waiting until they have left the program.
gatorhippy
· 8 months ago
The player isn't being memorialized, KD...
Only his words in order to serve as an inspiration to work hard and achieve...
And just so I make sure I have this correct...
You have time to research other schools that have or have not payed tribute to current players...
But don't have the time to research which schools have payed tribute to current coaches...
gatorhippy
· 8 months ago
Understandable that you would have forgotten about the window, Kev...
I'm sure alot of things from the night the turf was renamed Ron Zook Field @ DCS is selectively forgotten by most Noles...
Kevin @ Fanblogs
· 8 months ago
Cool. I'll have to check that out next week for the Spring Game.
Can't wait to play on HDN Field this year!
gatorhippy
· 8 months ago
I'm sorry did I miss something last season...
When did Florida have a field namimg ceremony in honor of their current coach who was later that evening beat by their fiercest series-leading rival led by a lame duck first-time head coach that was fired at mid-season sparking a five year run of beatings at the hands of that rival?
Kevin @ Fanblogs
· 8 months ago
Probably.
gatorhippy
· 8 months ago
LMAO...
Tell you what I didn't miss...
The beatdown in Tally...
;-]
Kevin @ Fanblogs
· 8 months ago
Me either. It's little things like that which make the off-season so much more fun for us.
gatorhippy
· 8 months ago
And that is something we can both agree on...
Gatorader
· 8 months ago
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The_Observer
· 8 months ago
When was the last time you remember a Junior QB promising the fans that he would not let his team slack off again (in September), then carry the team to a National Championship?
Maybe that's why you haven't heard of this being done before.
What's your deal Kev, give Superman his props!
Kevin @ Fanblogs
· 8 months ago
I'm an unabashed Tebow fan. I just have a problem with ANYONE putting up plaques for enrolled students.
The_Observer
· 8 months ago
I am being completely serious here...why?
Why is it wrong to acknowledge something positive about an active student? Is giving out individual awards at the end of the season any better? This plaque doesn't even represent achievements on the field as much as inspiration for working hard and never giving up.
I am biased, but I don't understand your beef with it.
OU_Ron
· 8 months ago
I don't have a problem with it, OU will be placing a statue of Sam Bradford in Heisman Park....and he is certainly still a student..
Kevin @ Fanblogs
· 8 months ago
I'm not a big fan with breaking traditions, I suppose and it's even more troubling at a place like UF, where - as other mentioned - honors are not handed out very often for players.
gatorhippy
· 8 months ago
There's no tradition at Florida that states or implies that putting a current player's quote on a wall is taboo...
So no tradition was broken...
And once again, KD...
No honor was bestowed upon Tebow with this...
It's simply placing inspirational words on a wall...
TampaGator
· 8 months ago
No different???
It's Night and day. Tebow's words were memorialized on a plaque; big f'n deal. Hardly more conspicuous than a Heisman trophy on display in the AD office.
Bowden has been idolized, immortalized, and deified--even dubbed "St. Bobby".
So I'll agree with you that it's funny to say the least, being called out by a 'nole for memorializng (not "immortalizing") a conspicous event--even a beloved player, if you prefer--but putting a simple plaque memorializing "the Promise" on par with FSU's unapologetic deification and idolization of St. Bobby--we're no where near that level of institutional adoration.
GO GATORS!!
Kevin @ Fanblogs
· 8 months ago
Immortalizing is the characterization of the Gainesville paper. Take it up with them, dude.
It would have been interesting to watch you type your response. I wonder if you could have simply stated your opinion to the subject at hand -- a player's post-game quote has been made into a plaque on the stadium while he's still a student -- without bothering with the 3rd and 4th paragraph. Take yourself out of the situation, pretend its Tulane instead of UF, and answer. I suspect you would still stand by your answer, so why even bother with the stupid comments about Bowden? It's just my opinion - but it almost makes you sound like a homer, rather than an objective fan.
I swear I'm going to go back to not posting. Yall just can't get overselves.
TampaGator
· 8 months ago
Kevin:
I agree with this much--Bowden had no business getting dragged into the discussion; but since he was, I figured proper perspective was in order.... :)
As for being a homer--I don't pretend to be anything else; never have; certainly not neutral or objective when it comes to the Gators.
Re. Immortalization v. memorialization--subtle distinction perhaps; I'm giving you the homer's interpretation.
...and as for Tebow still being a student--that's a fair point; but agian, from a shamless homer's perspective, it's just a wall plaque.
GO GATORS!!
Kevin @ Fanblogs
· 8 months ago
Well said.
gatorhippy
· 8 months ago
Apparently my sarcasm was lost on you, TG...
That's my point...
It's a simple plaque...
Not a deification...
Though we all know that will be coming down the pipe eventually...
TampaGator
· 8 months ago
GH:
Gotcha' (re. sarcasm).
Re. that coming down the pipe--I don't think so.
UF has a solid track record of keeping these things in perspective. Tebow will be deeply beloved and appreciated--just as Wuerffel and Spurrier before him. That should be the extent of it. He'll be an extension to our tradition--not raised above it...especially since it's all been done before him (h'man, NC...); he'd still have to come back as coach, and lead the Gators to a NC... and coach a H'man player...to eclipse Spurrier's legacy...
This was borne out when UF "snubbed" Spurrier for Urban Meyer. That was the whole point. UF is bigger than any single person--player, coach, benefactor.
GO GATORS!!
gatorhippy
· 8 months ago
I can agree with all of that...
TigerEducated
· 8 months ago
I can't believe that you never commented on my opus regarding Tim Tebow & Lane Kiffen a few weeks back...
I'm genuinely hurt that you're saving your invective for Kevvie Kev here...
gatorhippy
· 8 months ago
While mildly amusing, I didn't really feel any commentary was necessary...
As far as insults go...
I only sling 'em when they're slung out first...
gatorhippy
· 8 months ago
And honestly, I've been keeping a lid on it lately...
Hell, I didn't even bother to lay a "I told you so..." down on the FSU Sanctions thread a couple of weeks ago...
Even though it was certainly in order...
Apparently I wasn't so far "out there" on that one as KD, yourself and the other Noles would have liked to believe...
And yes...
You fellas can apologize to me at any point...
VTBobb
· 8 months ago
Unless of course he discovers it's evil and God tells him to...
Mr2Bits
· 8 months ago
I like it. He delivered on a promise to all UF fans. Of course any other fan looking in will be pissed and think that it's ridiculous, that's what makes this so great. I wouldn't expect anything different from FSU fans especially.
Kevin @ Fanblogs
· 8 months ago
Take yourself out of the equation, dude. Pretend this was a player at Purdue instead of Florida. Does a player's post-game interview at Purdue merit being enshrined on the stadium?
gatorhippy
· 8 months ago
If it led the Boilermakers to a MNC through inspiration and leadership by a a player who will arguably go into the discussion as being the greatest CFB player of all time?
Sure...
Mr2Bits
· 8 months ago
If the Purdue player could walk on water and cure cancer much like TT then yes.
Kevin @ Fanblogs
· 8 months ago
ROFL
TampaGator
· 8 months ago
It's a simple PLAQUE--that's all. We haven't erected a larger than life sized statue of him; we havn't renamed a building or field after him; we haven't even retired his jersey (nor Steve Spurrier's, nor Danny Wuerffel's, nor Jack Youngblood's, nor Wilbur Marshall's, nor Emmitt Smiths...) for that matter.
Frankly, I think few additional plaques memorializing significant events might be in order:
One memorializing Ray Graves' signaling for 2 Pts against Ga Tech (monster upset), when a tie would have been a "win", in early '60's;
Steve Spurrier's field goal v. AU in '66 to seal his Heisman;
Willie Jackson being first black player to score a TD against Bama at Legions field, circa '68...
Wilbur Marshall going ape and sigle handedly beating USC circa '83;
The Gators going for a TD on 4th down with the score 45-20, with less than 2 mins to go, on the noles 1 yard line in the '97 Sugar Bowl for the NC.....
Urban Meyer said after Florida's first spring practice on Wednesday that it was his idea to put a plaque on a wall outside Florida Field's entrance built last year to help recruiting with the words from Tim Tebow's "promise" made after the Gators' loss to Ole Miss last season.
"I'm not interested in 10 years from now because who knows where or if I'm going to be toes up somewhere?" the Gators head coach said of wanting to honor his Heisman Trophy quarterback. "I'm not a big fan of 'Hey, let's wait down the road.' And I think it was a speech that Gator Nation has a right to see on the side of the building."
Tebow's emotional speech gained fame after UF went undefeated the rest of the way and won the school's third national title. The display mysteriously showed up without explanation. But is now a permanent part of the southwest corner of the stadium, named the Heavener Football Complex after its major donor, Bill Heavener.
Tebow hasn't seen it yet because of his ministry work, but said it was "cool" that Gator fans liked it.
gatorhippy
· 8 months ago
Actually, he has seen it now given that spring drills started this week and his missionary trip was over Spring Break...
Kevin @ Fanblogs
· 8 months ago
You're probably right. USA Today has the quote as 21 hours old.
The_Observer
· 8 months ago
Lol!
VTBobb
· 8 months ago
I hear that UF is considering going into competition with Cash4Gold.com in an effort to obtain enough gold and platinum for the statue they are planning...
Rumor is it will be twice life size, solid gold except for the true to scale platinum heart. They just can't figure out how his heart actually fits into his chest...
Mr2Bits
· 8 months ago
I think a "Mike Vick walking a dog" statue is in order at VT as well. Bling bling.
VTBobb
· 8 months ago
2Bits, are you a politician or a lawyer? You sure like the classic "misdirection". I never mentioned anything about VT honoring anyone. But I understand better now.
Apparently, Tim Tebow is not only Christ-like, he may actually be Christ, washing away the sins of past, present and future players just by his presence on the team? People in glass houses...
TampaGator
· 8 months ago
VT-Bobb:
You come on here, take a shot a UF, mockingly making up some crap about a statue (after several of us have already contrasted the actual situation from a statue, thus illustrating how a plaque is no big deal);
--you get a similarly mocking reply about a phantom/non-existent VT themed statue;
--then you proceed to whine about your poor little V Tech getting sullied (f/y/I: you invoked VT by virtue of your handle; Mr. 2 bits didn't pull it out of the air), about "misdirection" and "glass houses"...
I'd say you pretty much bought every bit of that one, and then some.
Side note: is it too much to ask that you leave the good Lord's name out of these petty matters? Those of us who believe in God, and in His Son, thank you kindly in advance for your cooperation in this matter.
GO GATORS!!
Mr2Bits
· 8 months ago
Nice catch Tampa....some people are just can't give up the tighty whities around here.
VTBobb
· 8 months ago
Tampa, don't get your habit in a bunch. How exactly did I "whine about...poor little V Tech getting sullied". I just stated that his reply was completely off the mark. I wasn't trying to defend VT honoring anyone. Kevin's post was basically a discussion of whether a current student should be honored like this. I was just commenting on what is so obvious to everyone outside of Gatorland; that you folks seem to have huge mancrushes on TT that border on idolatry.
As for the Lord's name, sooo, we can no longer say God or Christ? What exactly did I write that was insulting to God or Christ? If you read into what I am saying, I would think it's pretty obvious I do believe in God and Christ, he just doesn't wear a Gator uniform. I was obviously being sarcastic. I have a lot of respect for TT's views and work, but I was also intimating that the way TT always talks about his minstry and his love of God, you would think that maybe there would be some room for humility. TT is the one that always brings up God, so by "virtue" of his very public statement of his beliefs, I believe it is entirely appropriate to bring God into this debate. More so than completely changing the subject to take a shot at VT because you are feeling defensive.
I apologize if my sense of humor is too dry, my comments are a little less obvious than other peoples, and I believe using the words God and Christ are not a bad thing, but can lead to healthy, open discussion on religions (not that any of us want that to be a regular feature on this site).
TampaGator
· 8 months ago
"...are you a politician or a lawyer? You sure like the classic "misdirection". I never mentioned anything about VT honoring anyone..."
How's that NOT whiny?
You basically objected to 2bits' reference to VT on the basis that you didn't mention VT "honoring" someone; but how's VT not fair game, when the comment comes FROM a VT fan?
As for your rationalization that the thread isn't about VT and that 2bit's comments were "off mark"--well guess what, chief? The thread isn't about a statue either.
2bit's comment was as absurd as yours, in order to illustrate its (your post's) absurdity. Thats called humor. In fact, dry humor--the very same kind in which you claim expertise. That's my whole point--you got a bit of your own, then...
...whined about it.
As for using the Lord's name, vs. using it in vain--do you really need me to spell out the difference? Very well then...
Not in vain:
God bless, God bless America, God help us, Praise be to God, All for the glory of God...
...in a sincere context.
In vain: cavlierly invoking God into a petty discussion, for humor, or some other vain purpose. See your post, three up.
GO GATORS!!
VTBobb
· 8 months ago
No, me pointing out his comment was off target wasn't whining. The only whining I've read in this thread is your whining about my supposed blasphemy. I never said VT wasn't fair game. Just make the shot applicable to the conversation. You know like, “If VT ever wins a NC then they can decide how to honor those student athletes who contributed to it. Until then, consider yourself and your opinions as “bench warmers.” THAT would have been on target and germane to the conversation.
FYI – In Vain – “in an irreverent or blasphemous manner” Kind of like asking God to help because a congresswoman sounds uneducated? Maybe a touch of hypocrisy here? And in fact, like I previously stated, I was trying to make a point. You would expect someone who proclaims his Christianity so vocally may be a bit more humble, be concerned with “worshipping graven images” etc. Would you like me to quote scripture next time? Would that make you feel better?
Here’s another question for you: Would a football player who “cavalierly” genuflects and crosses themselves after a touchdown a blasphemer because it was “invoking God into a petty discussion, for humor, or some other vain purpose?”
TampaGator
· 8 months ago
VT Bob:
"...I expect someone who proclaims his Christianity so vocally may be a bit more humble, be concerned with “worshipping graven images”
Where pray tell, did that come from??? Please elaborate as to how this pertains to me, or why you would direct it at me. As for citing scripture--knock yourself out.
"...Would a football player who “cavalierly” genuflects and crosses themselves after a touchdown a blasphemer because it was “invoking God into a petty discussion, for humor, or some other vain purpose?”..."
Perhaps--especially given the "cavalierly" preface. But if it were done sincerely, humbly acknowledging the Lord, as a genuine demonstration of gratitude and humility, probably not...
"...asking God to help because a congresswoman sounds uneducated? Maybe a touch of hypocrisy here? ..."
So, I (or HrPoson, for that matter), cavalierily invoked God because "...a congresswoman sounds uneducated?..." OR, might it have been the second part of Poson's post: ''...[she's] part of the house majority that is running our nation..."
I can't speak for HrPoson, but I assure you, for my part, it was directed to the latter part, SINCERE, and a matter which I take quite seriously.
Finally: it isn't whining, because you say so?
Right.
GO GATORS!!
TampaGator
· 8 months ago
[MOVED].
TampaGator
· 8 months ago
VT Bob:
[Elaborating on your defense to whining]:
"...Just make the shot applicable to the conversation..."
Let's replay:
You: "....I hear that UF is considering going into competition with Cash4Gold.com in an effort to obtain enough gold and platinum for the statue they are planning...Rumor is it will be twice life size, solid gold except for the true to scale platinum heart...." [NOTHING TO DO WITH THREAD]
2bits: "....I think a "Mike Vick walking a dog" statue is in order at VT as well. Bling bling..." [Quid pro quo]
You: "...2Bits, are you a politician or a lawyer? You sure like the classic "misdirection" [WHAAAAAAAAA]. I never mentioned anything about VT honoring anyone. [WHAAAAAAAA].
Whining...clearly whining.
Your initial comment had ZERO bearing on the conversation; 2bit's called you out, with an equally absurd post about a non-esxistant STATUE; and you cried uncle, because he wans't playing fair, because he didnt' restrict his comments to the tight little restrictions you had in mind....blah blah blah...
Whining.
GO GATORS!!
TigerEducated
· 8 months ago
Kevin, pay no mind to the Florida Gators round cheer...Let them bask in being the SECOND team to obtain two BCS Championships (the 1st from the SEC East), and their last season with Yaweh Tebojovah at Quarterback.
Their judgement cometh, and that right soon...
So sayeth the Shephard, so sayeth the LSU Flock...
This fall in Baton Rouge is going to be a WARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR...
I am going to watch our 1st Spring Scrimmage tomorrow...Folks, ya'll don't wanna know what I've been hearing from Chavis as DC & Crowton with a decent QB + Russell Shepard at QB...
Ramblin' Gator
· 8 months ago
This fall in Baton Rouge is going to be a WARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR...
I recall your predictions for last season's LSU-UF game, TE. Frankly, I'm not impressed with your prognostication skills.
1Tomcat
· 8 months ago
RG some folks might ought to focus on them Razorbacks first-ouch!
Porcine
· 8 months ago
Here, here, a toast, a toast!
TigerEducated
· 8 months ago
I said nothing about what the score would be at the scrimmage. I also think its pretty safe to say that LSU would win, no matter what...
I was right about that, too...
Ramblin' Gator
· 8 months ago
"Scrimmage"? Referring to a "scrimmage" which is "this fall in Baton Rogue"?
Methinks you are attempting some textual gymnastics to tap dance backward across your previous statement.
It's time once again for my famous TE impersonation...
51-21
owned.
TigerEducated
· 8 months ago
If you recall, I wasn't the only person here who thought Florida was going to take it up the tailpipe that weekend, Gaytor...
Ramblin' Gator
· 8 months ago
Brilliant retort there, TE. So your point is that you are really great at predictions because you joined with other people and all of you were wrong? Hard to argue with logic like that.
"Gaytor" - very original. I bet you spent all day dreaming that one up.
51-21
owned.
U.of S.C.1978
· 8 months ago
with Yaweh Tebojovah at Quarterback.
Their judgement cometh, and that right soon...
So sayeth the Shephard, so sayeth the LSU Flock...
Funny stuff that, TE.
gatorhippy
· 8 months ago
LMAO...
Chavis?
LMAO...
No, really, TE?
John Chavis?
The John Chavis whose defense has been reamed four years in a row by Meyer and company while wearing his Rocky Top Orange?
It'll be war alright...
But Baton Rouge is gonna be more like Nagasaki & Hiroshima after the arrival of Fat Man & Little Boy...
You might wanna check out "Chief" Chavis's playbook here courtesy of LWS...
Bevo_Boy
· 8 months ago
When's Charlie Weiss going to Baton Rouge? lol jk
TigerEducated
· 8 months ago
We hired Chavis...we didn't buy the crappy talent Tennessee and Krispy Kreme Phat Phil Fulmer recruited out there...
You know good and well that we've got talent on caliber with perhaps only yourselves & out in Los Angeles...
The scheme was 4th nationally last year...They just had a garbage offense, and a lame duck coach...I'll take that scheme, with our talent, any day...
ANY day...
Our offense averaged 30+ ppg last year with garbaje at quarterback, and we threw one touchdown pass per game to the opposite team.
We shall see where your hubris takes you, sir...
gatorhippy
· 8 months ago
If LSU has talent on par with UF, we sure didn't see it last year...
But a year can make all the difference...
Gators are living proof of that...
The LSU offense eked out 30 points per game due to 40+ point performances against their OOC sched. of Appy St., N. Texas, Tulane & their 38 point comeback against Troy...
The last of which took the Tigers to task...
I'm honestly starting to wonder if Leslie is going to end up down the same road as good old Larry Coker...
Big win up front followed by steady deterioration...
What you think, TE?
If Miles winds up at 8-5 again this season; are the Tiger faithful calling for his head?
Me thinks, yes...
TigerEducated
· 8 months ago
First off, we had garbage at quarterback last year...
Secondly, you are correct in that we did NOT average 30PPG against SEC foes...We averaged 26 ppg against them...
This is with a kid who set an NCAA record with throwing touchdown passes-TO THE WRONG TEAM.
This is also with a defense that sagged to 71st in the nation.
Ride your high horse...Congrats on the trophy, but we all know what pride cometh before...and I know personally...LOL...
With garbage at coordinator, and garbage at quarterback, a talented team can look poor...
We had two All-Conference lineman, All-Conference Running back, a NFL Draft pick at FB, and a 1st team All-SEC Wide Receiver on offense. Without a quarterback worth a d@mn, it ain't happening.
Without proper coaching, our talent on defense doesn't matter.
But, make no mistake...Our talent didn't disappear overnight...You have a selectively short-term memory, & it will be interesting to see your thoughts here after the game...
I for one can't wait...
gatorhippy
· 8 months ago
My, my, my...
Look who's pointing fingers and condemning a lack of "hubris"...
That's a little pot/kettle/black...
My memory isn't really that selective, TE...
What part of the UF/LSU past do you want to really discuss...
Gators lead the series overall, in Hogtown and in BR...
When the Tigers haven't been getting their head kicked in by the Gators over the last twenty seasons, they've eked out wins by four points or less (save 2002)...
In a year that UF is rebuilding and sporting a season ending 75th nationally ranked defense (2007), the Tigers muster a last second four point win at home...
In a year when LSU is rebuilding, Gators drop a 30 point margin on 'em against a ranked 71st Tiger defense...
Do you not see the difference, Corndogger?
I think it's your memory that might be a bit selectively short-term...
Gatorboy41
· 7 months ago
You quoted, (This fall in Baton Rouge is going to be a WARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR...) Last year this time, I think that I heard a similar song from you. So what year will it be 2009, 10, 11, or 2012. Just curious,,,,,,,
Regan
· 8 months ago
So....good things happen when you lose to Ole Miss?
Bevo_Boy
· 8 months ago
Apparently, but lose to TTech and you're screwed.
OU_Ron
· 8 months ago
Colt should have made a speech after the game....
Ramblin' Gator
· 8 months ago
LOL!!
1Tomcat
· 8 months ago
Your right Ron- wouldnt have made any difference Texas won their remaining games and OU did not-LOL Did Bradford make a speech after the UT game? ROFL
OU_Ron
· 8 months ago
Yeah he did TC, slightly delayed, in NY....you should be able to find it on YouTube, just type in Bradford and Heisman ;-)
TigerEducated
· 8 months ago
Tomcat...You just got 0wn4d...
gatorhippy
· 8 months ago
But appropriately screwed after all see that TTech wasn't even as good as the team that beat the eventual Champs...
1Tomcat
· 8 months ago
GH appropriatley screwed ? I don't understand Ole Miss is a great program, they did beat the Gators right TTech was exposed in Norman OK- I thought that Bama woulda gave Utah a better game-The Gators beat OU- so did Texas- enjoy you MNC 08 Hookem-Horns P.S. being a Texas fan we have seen a whole lot of real close ones and the Horns usually pull them off, in 08 one went the other way- Same could be said for UF vs Ole Miss
gatorhippy
· 8 months ago
Sarcasm, TC...
Nobody was screwed at all...
Regan
· 8 months ago
Hey, didn't Mississippi beat Texas Tech? :)
Zac
· 8 months ago
I have to ask, what has the University of Florida done, that the media has not? Think about it. FL put a plaque on a wall of its stadium, which contained a quote from one of its current students and players. Is this the 1st place in which we have seen or heard this quote, let alone others? No. We saw it on ESPN, on CNN, and some of us on various other news casts throughout Florida and the USA. Some of us heard it on the radio. Others of us read it in print in a variety of newspapers and periodicals. AND, all of this was done before the Gators played their next game.
So, here it is at the end of the season, the Gators having won only their 3rd N.C., and somebody decides to take the quote off the air-waves, or out of print, and place it on a plaque. Why? To inspire others into working harder and achieving greater things. It's no different than when a coach takes a newspaper clipping and places it on the team bulletin board, when the article contains a disrespectful quote from a coach or player of a future opponent. No, it's not up there on a plaque on a wall out in the open for all to see. Then again, Mr. Tebow's pledge wasn't a slight intended to disrespect another team. Instead it was to make a promise; a promise, as it would turn out, upon which he and ALL the Gators delivered. Isn't that worth sharing? I think it is.
Now that I've stated my opinion, and while many of us are trying to put what the U of FL has done in perspective (perhaps unnecessarily so), consider what Kevin has done, for which a few of you attempted to flay him. He observed what was done. Considered some history and traditions past. Made his OPINION known (an unpopular one from the look of it); then, asked the question, "What do you think?" As Gator nation sees this quote having been placed on a plaque as being no big deal (neither immortalization or memorialization of Mr. Tebow), rather a move to inspire future recruits as well as future and present students, I see Kevin's opinion, regarding tradition, that perhaps this "move" was prematre, as just that and only that; i.e. his opinion. I didn't see it as a slight against FL or Gator nation. But, that, as with the rest of this, is just my opinion.
It's also my opinion that making comparisons between Mr. Tebow & Bobby Bowden or Joe Paterno is silly. He's not even 1/3 the age of either man, has certainly neither achieved (hasn't had the opportunity) as much as either, nor has he had the impact upon as many people as either Mr. Bowden or Jo Pa. We're not arguing apples & oranges here; we're not even in the same food group. That said, Florida Gator fan or not, it's impossible not to recognize the impact that this young man has had on his team, not to mention upon other people due to his works outside the U of FL. I don't care who you are. Not only is it difficult to dislike him, it's difficult not to want to pull for him. If you're hearing this, Tim Tebow, God Bless you and yours. May you play on Sundays, as you were intended.
fosterkeats
· 8 months ago
How deliciously white trash...
Typical of a school with little or no history to run out and over-do everything to make their short-lived winning look bigger than it actually is...
So you see any plaques with quotes from Joe Montana??? Joe Namath???
Of course not, b/c there is A LOT more to the tradition of Notre Dame & Alabama than one good season & one good QB...
Gator fans, enjoy it while you can, after the '09 season, Tebow is gone, and Oscar Meyer is off the South Bend to die a slow death. See you in the Outback Bowl for years to come...
selah
gatorhippy
· 8 months ago
Dude, you should take it easy...
I heard on the Today show that the State of California might actually let you out in 2012 due to old age...
You probably want to live for that...
TampaGator
· 8 months ago
Foster:
Bammer trying to call UF out as "white trash"????
That's just about funny right there...
How about whiping the 'bacc'y juice off your peach fuzz there trailer boy, and getting your head outta your ass. All one needs to do to gain acceptance to U'bama is connect the dots on the smiley face they call an application, and shazzam, you're a bammer (IF you decide to attend).
You'll need quite a bit more to secure a spot at UF...like graduating with high honors, AP courses, respectable SAT/ACT scores, extra-curriculars, something on your application that sets you apart....
As for Nameth and Montana--I don't recall either of them boys going out on a limb, placing their cred. on the line, promising to run the table....and delivering on the priomise--while in college.
Nameth in fact did go out on a limb and deliver--as a pro--prior to '69 superbowl--and it has been legendary lore ever since. Had he articulated something worth placing on a plaque, I'm sure it would've been done by now, by the Jets (in fact, they probably have done it; perhaps even in the Hall of Fame, though Idk...).
As for tradition--that's about all 'bama has left these days; about on par with Princeton and perhaps even Notre Dame, but at least Princeton boys and Domer's get an education they can boast of.
White trash???? Well played, numbnuts.
GO GATORS!!
thebuckstopshere
· 8 months ago
"I don't recall either of them boys going out on a limb, placing their cred. on the line, promising to run the table....and delivering on the priomise--while in college."
The above is the only problem if you want to call it that, I have with how Tebow's "promise" is perceived by gator nation.
As far as I can recall he didn't promise to do anything but play hard. Put it this way, if the Gators would have came up short in the championship game, inevitably some people would have said something along the lines of Tebow not following through with his promise. Without a doubt the first FACT gator fans would point out in his defense was that he didn't specifically promise a championship.
So personally I can give him credit for playing as hard as anyone could possibly play and for motivating his team. However, I can't give him credit for promising to run the table and the doing it, no matter how hard gator fans try to parlay his words to that effect. A championship was just a byproduct of something he promised to do, but it wasn't required to vindicate his promise.
Ramblin' Gator
· 8 months ago
Well said, including the part about how Gatornation would have defended Tebow if the promise hadn't lead to a championship.
FWIW, I think he really did live up to his word. Personally, I've never seen a player work harder than Tim Tebow did last year, especially in the games against UGA, FSU, and Bama.
TampaGator
· 8 months ago
Buckstops:
OK, so his words were merely a commitment to excellence that served to inspire a team to an unexpected 2nd championship in 3 years. That's all. What's the big deal with that, right?
Frankly no one would have remembered the speech had UF failed to win the NC, or at least the SEC championship---no more than anyone would have remembered Knute Rockne's "Gipper" speech referenced in the article above, had ND lost to Army, which they almost did (in fact, Rockne apparently didn't even want the story to get out, b/c he know it was fabricated, and he didn't think it would withstand scruitiny, but I digress...).
Bottom line: Tim Tebow promised excellence (in terms of his and teams' efforts); and he/they, delivered excellence, in terms of effort. Better?
Still works for me...still ends with a BCS crystal trophy on display in the bowels of Ben Hill Griffin Stadium....
....still the stuff of legends....
GO GATORS!!
thebuckstopshere
· 8 months ago
I'm glad I persuaded you to stop denigrating what Tebow had promised, and to see things my way.
You shouldn't have tried to pervert and twist his words into something they weren't in the first place. A real "Gator" fan would have realized he promised something more noteworthy than running the table. Every other day athletes guarantee wins, nothing special about that.
But to answer your question....yeah your latest interpretation is "better" although a tad embellished. I guess thats hard not to do when every other word Tebow says gives you goose bumps, but for the rest of us we can just take what he said literally.
One more thing........
You mentioned Florida winning their second championship in three years. Thats great and all but what's that their third overall? You mention this feat because you obviously feel it's relative to a programs success. Well based on this the Gators could win three championships a decade and if Ohio St. could only manage one it would still take Florida 60 years to match the prowess of OSU. So if you like to list Florida's accomplishments when you post, I have no problem comparing resumes.
............still a lack of perspective..........
TampaGator
· 8 months ago
Buckstops:
1. You didn't persuade me--I simply acknowledged that your point was well taken;
2. I didn't try to "twist or pervert his words"--that wasn't even the focus of my post to Foster the commie--but however you want to characterze Tebow's words, nothing Nameth or Montana SAID, while in college, compares;
3. I don't get "goose bumps" over anything Tebow says, anymore that you get a hard-on everytime "the Vest" smiles (at least I certainly hope you don't);
4. Winning 2 championships in 3 years IS impressive, all by its lonesome--this is bourne out by the fact that you and pinko-bammer, BOTH, felt the need to interject your respective programs' glorious traditions--even Notre Dame's--to compare.
Finally-- if this were a thread about tOSU building a bronze statue or some such, to glorify the Vest, I wouldn't be posting in it--because I wouldn't give a sh*t. In otherwords, frankly, I'm actually flattered, that you, Bammers, Tigers, 'noles, 'canes, and so many other Gator haters, have taken such an interest (100 posts) in a simple f'n wall plaque.
We must be doing something right!
GO GATORS!!
thebuckstopshere
· 8 months ago
I don't want to go back and forth anymore reiterating what was already said and further explaining myself. You win.........
Seems 'ol "Broadway Joe" was, shall we say, FUBAR?
GO GATORS!!
fosterkeats
· 8 months ago
How many pairs of jorts do you own???
TampaGator
· 8 months ago
...about as many as you have teeth left.
GO GATORS!!
Bama_Babe
· 8 months ago
Hello Mr. TampaGator,
I'd like remind you that I am a student at The University of Alabama. Sure, it's not a school known for outstanding academia. But I would like to inform you that my university leads the nation in All-USA College Academic Team members - ahead of Yale, Harvard, and yes, Florida. I'm not saying that an education at Alabama is better than Florida, etc by any means. However, I do take pride in my school and my education that I am receiving from here - so speak for yourself when discussion educations you can boast about.
Oh, and I'm not white trash, nor are any students that attend this university. The white trashers that get associated with the University of Alabama have never stepped foot onto this campus, thank you.
Oh, and I got accepted to the University of Florida also. Not that I would have ever gone there; I just applied. So us lower people who can connect the dots can get into your prestigious university too.
That's all ;)
gatorhippy
· 8 months ago
Can't blame a girl for stickin' with her loyalties...
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 8 months ago
No less than TG sticks with his loyalties--Florida and part-time with Notre Dame...
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 8 months ago
I guess she told him off. He's been getting a little too big for his chewy bacc'y lately...
:-)
OU_Ron
· 8 months ago
Not too many Female posters on Fanblogs BB, I nominate you for Queen of Fanblogs........you can mix it up with the best of em...
TampaGator
· 8 months ago
BB:
FWIW: Helter Skelter drew first blood with the "white trash" remark, so he earned that one whole. Now perhaps a sniper shot was in order, rather than the ensuing buckshot in Bama's general direction, but it was a matter of reciprocity.
What's more, I never called you or any student of bama "WT"; all I said was that it's funny--as in ridiculous--for a bammer to be calling UF out as "WT". Open that door, and the academics, and anything and everything that isn't "WT", becomes fair game.
Finally, you probably don't remember this, but I've posted it many times before--I was bama bound, had UF not accepted me. That should show you that I do not hold bama in too low esteem...
...besides, I enjoyed making that smiley face, and sending it off to Tuscaloosa--if recollections serves, it looked something like this:
;)
GO GATORS!!
Bama_Babe
· 8 months ago
All I have to say about the white trash thing is: I've been to Gainsville on a Saturday in the fall and there's no more white trash in Tuscaloosa than there is in Hogtown.
Secondly, I do not claim fosterkeats down there as one of my fellow Bama fans on this site, as I've said before.
Finally, my education is as good as the next persons. Except I consider myself a slightly more brighter person than anyone who chooses UF over UA...
I'll close with the same signature I used on my application:
;)
Ramblin' Gator
· 8 months ago
...slightly more brighter person...
That pretty much says it all!
Folks, if you're going to assail the quality of education at another school or position your school's academics over another, I suggest thoroughly checking the spelling, syntax and semantics of your post.
Oh, wait - was this intended to be an April Fools post, BB?
Bama_Babe
· 8 months ago
RG,
It WAS a joke. See below.
Also, the "more brighter" thing was a typo. I was going to type "more intelligent" and then changed it to "brighter" without deleting the "more".
I make A's in english.
That's all ;)
Ramblin' Gator
· 8 months ago
Right... Good joke there, BB - looks like nobody got it. :-)
TampaGator
· 8 months ago
BB:
"...I consider myself a slightly more brighter [sic] person than anyone who chooses UF over UA..."
...and what you consider yourself matters more than just about anything else. Seriously. Over the long haul, that's what will matter. That you feel good about your decision, that you don't regret it, that you make the most of it...
The quality of the school you choose matters in the first 3-4 years after graduation, and even that remains subject to and a function of, how much of yourself you invest in it. After that, the quality of the person will transcend the quality of the education (though the quality of education has the potential--and for that matter, the propensity--to influence the quality of the person, almost proportionately--but there are of course, many exceptions....).
Ultimately, a person's character will shine through no matter what kinda' paper they have hanging on their wall. A good person will rise above his education level and/or quality, and a bad person will under achieve, and disappoint.
God bless.... ;)
GO GATORS!!
Bama_Babe
· 8 months ago
TG,
It was a joke. Of course I don't consider myself smarter than you since I only see your knowledge through this football blog. I do not know you, therefore I can not insult your intelligence beyond this site.
I was joking about choosing Florida over Alabama, and how you have to have less brain cells for choosing Florida. Ha. Ha. Joke.
It's just like I alway kid my father and his side of the family (AU fans) about how I got the brains and good genes.
It wasn't a stab at your personal intelligence.
Thanks ;)
TampaGator
· 8 months ago
BB:
It shouldn't have been (a joke).
I didn't take it as "...a stab at [my] personal intelligence..."; I took it as a proclamtion of pride in your school, in your education, and in making the most of the opportunities you have--things I respect. That's why I backed off of the fun & games. My reply was sincere, and I stand by it.
Best of luck to you.
GO GATORS!!
Bama_Babe
· 8 months ago
I apologize, TG. I read your post quickly and assumed it as being sarcastic. After re-reading, I understood the meaning.
I do take pride in my school, as do you. And we should. Alabama and Florida are great universities.
Thanks, TG. Same to you.
;)
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 8 months ago
I wish all women were as thoughtful as Bama Babe...
:-)
TampaGator
· 8 months ago
Sarcastic? Mua?
Why, where ever could you have gotten such a notion?
GO GATORS!!
Gatorboy41
· 7 months ago
As I recall, the same nonsense was said when Steve S, departed for the NFL. However, I can understand your wishful thinking. You recently quoted that the Tebow kid, was a douche bag,,,,most people who hate the Gators, would disagree with that statement.
You said that in 2009 when (Tebow is gone) the Gators would be playing in the Outback Bowl. Are you saying that Tebow is that good, since you just insinuated that he is ALL THAT. So then, which is he, a douche bag, or a superman.
Tebow is a very big part of the Gators success, but the are other player that are just as good in their own right. By the way, who's your team???????
fosterkeats
· 8 months ago
I've been in freakin' jail for 40yrs... Stir Crazy isn't even the half of it...
That Tebow kid is a douche bag...
U.of S.C.1978
· 7 months ago
Here we go, a realistic proposal on how the rest of us can deal with the Goobers, oops, sorry, the gators. You know who I'm talking about, the goofies who dress as if it is Halloween, for a ballgame!!! Is that weird or what? It still does not explain Clempsun. lol.....
It was a promise. Isn't keeping promises a part of christian value? Tim Tebow is an Inspiration to us all and you can't hate him. Their is nothing to hate him for. In my opinion, putting some plaque on a wall is not what makes it memorable and important. What's important is that we are national champions. THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONS! See you in California!!!!
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As long as this plaque and speech isn't discussed next season....doubtful though.
I was so sick of hearing and seeing the replays of it last season...
But it REALLY annoyed/pissed me off when they showed it on the jumbotron at the SECCG..Really?? So ridiculous.
But the man made a promise, and even if it wasn't all because of him, it was kept. So hooray. Go Gators. Tebow has surpassed the black belt and earned his plaque belt. Wow - I dont think even Chuck Norris has done that before. OMG!
Yea, they shouldn't have played that video at a neutral site game.
Given that NOBODY in CFB knows more about how to do deification, memorialization, immortaliztionthan and idolatry than the Bammers...
Sound'n like a "valley girl" there, B.B.
The difference being Tebow won't burn the program to the ground before he leaves...
What I can't seem to find is any other record of a college junior's post-game interview being immortalized and displayed on the building. Anybody?
How?
Players, on the other hand, are still forming their status at the university. Their contribution, while significant, is still in flux.
I don't have an issue with honoring a player AFTER they leave the school, I just think it's very premature to do so while their still showing up to classes.
I see you naming three that erected a statue, etc. while the coach is still running the program...
That's a small percentage in comparison to the 119 programs in the subdivision formally known as D-1...
You asked how it was different. I gave you my opinion.
If want you want is a list of all the schools that have erected honors to current coaches, I invite you to enjoy the magic of google. I just don't have the time to research it right now. I pulled three off the top of my head. Given my limited brainpower, I suspect that if I can recall three... there are probably a lot more than that.
What I would love to actually hear is your opinion on a university memorializing a current player, versus waiting until they have left the program.
Only his words in order to serve as an inspiration to work hard and achieve...
And just so I make sure I have this correct...
You have time to research other schools that have or have not payed tribute to current players...
But don't have the time to research which schools have payed tribute to current coaches...
I'm sure alot of things from the night the turf was renamed Ron Zook Field @ DCS is selectively forgotten by most Noles...
Can't wait to play on HDN Field this year!
When did Florida have a field namimg ceremony in honor of their current coach who was later that evening beat by their fiercest series-leading rival led by a lame duck first-time head coach that was fired at mid-season sparking a five year run of beatings at the hands of that rival?
Tell you what I didn't miss...
The beatdown in Tally...
;-]
Maybe that's why you haven't heard of this being done before.
What's your deal Kev, give Superman his props!
Why is it wrong to acknowledge something positive about an active student? Is giving out individual awards at the end of the season any better? This plaque doesn't even represent achievements on the field as much as inspiration for working hard and never giving up.
I am biased, but I don't understand your beef with it.
So no tradition was broken...
And once again, KD...
No honor was bestowed upon Tebow with this...
It's simply placing inspirational words on a wall...
It's Night and day. Tebow's words were memorialized on a plaque; big f'n deal.
Hardly more conspicuous than a Heisman trophy on display in the AD office.
Bowden has been idolized, immortalized, and deified--even dubbed "St. Bobby".
So I'll agree with you that it's funny to say the least, being called out by a 'nole for memorializng (not "immortalizing") a conspicous event--even a beloved player, if you prefer--but putting a simple plaque memorializing "the Promise" on par with FSU's unapologetic deification and idolization of St. Bobby--we're no where near that level of institutional adoration.
GO GATORS!!
It would have been interesting to watch you type your response. I wonder if you could have simply stated your opinion to the subject at hand -- a player's post-game quote has been made into a plaque on the stadium while he's still a student -- without bothering with the 3rd and 4th paragraph. Take yourself out of the situation, pretend its Tulane instead of UF, and answer. I suspect you would still stand by your answer, so why even bother with the stupid comments about Bowden? It's just my opinion - but it almost makes you sound like a homer, rather than an objective fan.
I swear I'm going to go back to not posting. Yall just can't get overselves.
I agree with this much--Bowden had no business getting dragged into the discussion; but since he was, I figured proper perspective was in order.... :)
As for being a homer--I don't pretend to be anything else; never have; certainly not neutral or objective when it comes to the Gators.
Re. Immortalization v. memorialization--subtle distinction perhaps; I'm giving you the homer's interpretation.
...and as for Tebow still being a student--that's a fair point; but agian, from a shamless homer's perspective, it's just a wall plaque.
GO GATORS!!
That's my point...
It's a simple plaque...
Not a deification...
Though we all know that will be coming down the pipe eventually...
Gotcha' (re. sarcasm).
Re. that coming down the pipe--I don't think so.
UF has a solid track record of keeping these things in perspective. Tebow will be deeply beloved and appreciated--just as Wuerffel and Spurrier before him. That should be the extent of it. He'll be an extension to our tradition--not raised above it...especially since it's all been done before him (h'man, NC...); he'd still have to come back as coach, and lead the Gators to a NC... and coach a H'man player...to eclipse Spurrier's legacy...
This was borne out when UF "snubbed" Spurrier for Urban Meyer. That was the whole point. UF is bigger than any single person--player, coach, benefactor.
GO GATORS!!
I'm genuinely hurt that you're saving your invective for Kevvie Kev here...
As far as insults go...
I only sling 'em when they're slung out first...
Hell, I didn't even bother to lay a "I told you so..." down on the FSU Sanctions thread a couple of weeks ago...
Even though it was certainly in order...
Apparently I wasn't so far "out there" on that one as KD, yourself and the other Noles would have liked to believe...
And yes...
You fellas can apologize to me at any point...
Sure...
Frankly, I think few additional plaques memorializing significant events might be in order:
One memorializing Ray Graves' signaling for 2 Pts against Ga Tech (monster upset), when a tie would have been a "win", in early '60's;
Steve Spurrier's field goal v. AU in '66 to seal his Heisman;
Willie Jackson being first black player to score a TD against Bama at Legions field, circa '68...
Wilbur Marshall going ape and sigle handedly beating USC circa '83;
The Gators going for a TD on 4th down with the score 45-20, with less than 2 mins to go, on the noles 1 yard line in the '97 Sugar Bowl for the NC.....
For now, Tim Tebow's promise is a good start.
GO GATORS!!
Tebow hasn't seen it yet because of his ministry work, but said it was "cool" that Gator fans liked it.
Rumor is it will be twice life size, solid gold except for the true to scale platinum heart. They just can't figure out how his heart actually fits into his chest...
Apparently, Tim Tebow is not only Christ-like, he may actually be Christ, washing away the sins of past, present and future players just by his presence on the team? People in glass houses...
You come on here, take a shot a UF, mockingly making up some crap about a statue (after several of us have already contrasted the actual situation from a statue, thus illustrating how a plaque is no big deal);
--you get a similarly mocking reply about a phantom/non-existent VT themed statue;
--then you proceed to whine about your poor little V Tech getting sullied (f/y/I: you invoked VT by virtue of your handle; Mr. 2 bits didn't pull it out of the air), about "misdirection" and "glass houses"...
I'd say you pretty much bought every bit of that one, and then some.
Side note: is it too much to ask that you leave the good Lord's name out of these petty matters? Those of us who believe in God, and in His Son, thank you kindly in advance for your cooperation in this matter.
GO GATORS!!
As for the Lord's name, sooo, we can no longer say God or Christ? What exactly did I write that was insulting to God or Christ? If you read into what I am saying, I would think it's pretty obvious I do believe in God and Christ, he just doesn't wear a Gator uniform. I was obviously being sarcastic. I have a lot of respect for TT's views and work, but I was also intimating that the way TT always talks about his minstry and his love of God, you would think that maybe there would be some room for humility. TT is the one that always brings up God, so by "virtue" of his very public statement of his beliefs, I believe it is entirely appropriate to bring God into this debate. More so than completely changing the subject to take a shot at VT because you are feeling defensive.
I apologize if my sense of humor is too dry, my comments are a little less obvious than other peoples, and I believe using the words God and Christ are not a bad thing, but can lead to healthy, open discussion on religions (not that any of us want that to be a regular feature on this site).
How's that NOT whiny?
You basically objected to 2bits' reference to VT on the basis that you didn't mention VT "honoring" someone; but how's VT not fair game, when the comment comes FROM a VT fan?
As for your rationalization that the thread isn't about VT and that 2bit's comments were "off mark"--well guess what, chief? The thread isn't about a statue either.
2bit's comment was as absurd as yours, in order to illustrate its (your post's) absurdity. Thats called humor. In fact, dry humor--the very same kind in which you claim expertise. That's my whole point--you got a bit of your own, then...
...whined about it.
As for using the Lord's name, vs. using it in vain--do you really need me to spell out the difference? Very well then...
Not in vain:
God bless, God bless America, God help us, Praise be to God, All for the glory of God...
...in a sincere context.
In vain: cavlierly invoking God into a petty discussion, for humor, or some other vain purpose. See your post, three up.
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FYI – In Vain – “in an irreverent or blasphemous manner” Kind of like asking God to help because a congresswoman sounds uneducated? Maybe a touch of hypocrisy here? And in fact, like I previously stated, I was trying to make a point. You would expect someone who proclaims his Christianity so vocally may be a bit more humble, be concerned with “worshipping graven images” etc. Would you like me to quote scripture next time? Would that make you feel better?
Here’s another question for you: Would a football player who “cavalierly” genuflects and crosses themselves after a touchdown a blasphemer because it was “invoking God into a petty discussion, for humor, or some other vain purpose?”
"...I expect someone who proclaims his Christianity so vocally may be a bit more humble, be concerned with “worshipping graven images”
Where pray tell, did that come from??? Please elaborate as to how this pertains to me, or why you would direct it at me. As for citing scripture--knock yourself out.
"...Would a football player who “cavalierly” genuflects and crosses themselves after a touchdown a blasphemer because it was “invoking God into a petty discussion, for humor, or some other vain purpose?”..."
Perhaps--especially given the "cavalierly" preface. But if it were done sincerely, humbly acknowledging the Lord, as a genuine demonstration of gratitude and humility, probably not...
"...asking God to help because a congresswoman sounds uneducated? Maybe a touch of hypocrisy here? ..."
So, I (or HrPoson, for that matter), cavalierily invoked God because "...a congresswoman sounds uneducated?..." OR, might it have been the second part of Poson's post: ''...[she's] part of the house majority that is running our nation..."
I can't speak for HrPoson, but I assure you, for my part, it was directed to the latter part, SINCERE, and a matter which I take quite seriously.
Finally: it isn't whining, because you say so?
Right.
GO GATORS!!
[Elaborating on your defense to whining]:
"...Just make the shot applicable to the conversation..."
Let's replay:
You: "....I hear that UF is considering going into competition with Cash4Gold.com in an effort to obtain enough gold and platinum for the statue they are planning...Rumor is it will be twice life size, solid gold except for the true to scale platinum heart...." [NOTHING TO DO WITH THREAD]
2bits: "....I think a "Mike Vick walking a dog" statue is in order at VT as well. Bling bling..." [Quid pro quo]
You: "...2Bits, are you a politician or a lawyer? You sure like the classic "misdirection" [WHAAAAAAAAA]. I never mentioned anything about VT honoring anyone. [WHAAAAAAAA].
Whining...clearly whining.
Your initial comment had ZERO bearing on the conversation; 2bit's called you out, with an equally absurd post about a non-esxistant STATUE; and you cried uncle, because he wans't playing fair, because he didnt' restrict his comments to the tight little restrictions you had in mind....blah blah blah...
Whining.
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Their judgement cometh, and that right soon...
So sayeth the Shephard, so sayeth the LSU Flock...
This fall in Baton Rouge is going to be a WARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR...
I am going to watch our 1st Spring Scrimmage tomorrow...Folks, ya'll don't wanna know what I've been hearing from Chavis as DC & Crowton with a decent QB + Russell Shepard at QB...
I recall your predictions for last season's LSU-UF game, TE. Frankly, I'm not impressed with your prognostication skills.
I was right about that, too...
Methinks you are attempting some textual gymnastics to tap dance backward across your previous statement.
It's time once again for my famous TE impersonation...
51-21
owned.
"Gaytor" - very original. I bet you spent all day dreaming that one up.
51-21
owned.
Their judgement cometh, and that right soon...
So sayeth the Shephard, so sayeth the LSU Flock...
Funny stuff that, TE.
Chavis?
LMAO...
No, really, TE?
John Chavis?
The John Chavis whose defense has been reamed four years in a row by Meyer and company while wearing his Rocky Top Orange?
It'll be war alright...
But Baton Rouge is gonna be more like Nagasaki & Hiroshima after the arrival of Fat Man & Little Boy...
You might wanna check out "Chief" Chavis's playbook here courtesy of LWS...
You know good and well that we've got talent on caliber with perhaps only yourselves & out in Los Angeles...
The scheme was 4th nationally last year...They just had a garbage offense, and a lame duck coach...I'll take that scheme, with our talent, any day...
ANY day...
Our offense averaged 30+ ppg last year with garbaje at quarterback, and we threw one touchdown pass per game to the opposite team.
We shall see where your hubris takes you, sir...
But a year can make all the difference...
Gators are living proof of that...
The LSU offense eked out 30 points per game due to 40+ point performances against their OOC sched. of Appy St., N. Texas, Tulane & their 38 point comeback against Troy...
The last of which took the Tigers to task...
I'm honestly starting to wonder if Leslie is going to end up down the same road as good old Larry Coker...
Big win up front followed by steady deterioration...
What you think, TE?
If Miles winds up at 8-5 again this season; are the Tiger faithful calling for his head?
Me thinks, yes...
Secondly, you are correct in that we did NOT average 30PPG against SEC foes...We averaged 26 ppg against them...
This is with a kid who set an NCAA record with throwing touchdown passes-TO THE WRONG TEAM.
This is also with a defense that sagged to 71st in the nation.
Ride your high horse...Congrats on the trophy, but we all know what pride cometh before...and I know personally...LOL...
With garbage at coordinator, and garbage at quarterback, a talented team can look poor...
We had two All-Conference lineman, All-Conference Running back, a NFL Draft pick at FB, and a 1st team All-SEC Wide Receiver on offense. Without a quarterback worth a d@mn, it ain't happening.
Without proper coaching, our talent on defense doesn't matter.
But, make no mistake...Our talent didn't disappear overnight...You have a selectively short-term memory, & it will be interesting to see your thoughts here after the game...
I for one can't wait...
Look who's pointing fingers and condemning a lack of "hubris"...
That's a little pot/kettle/black...
My memory isn't really that selective, TE...
What part of the UF/LSU past do you want to really discuss...
Gators lead the series overall, in Hogtown and in BR...
When the Tigers haven't been getting their head kicked in by the Gators over the last twenty seasons, they've eked out wins by four points or less (save 2002)...
In a year that UF is rebuilding and sporting a season ending 75th nationally ranked defense (2007), the Tigers muster a last second four point win at home...
In a year when LSU is rebuilding, Gators drop a 30 point margin on 'em against a ranked 71st Tiger defense...
Do you not see the difference, Corndogger?
I think it's your memory that might be a bit selectively short-term...
Did Bradford make a speech after the UT game? ROFL
Ole Miss is a great program, they did beat the Gators right
TTech was exposed in Norman OK- I thought that Bama woulda gave Utah a better game-The Gators beat OU- so did Texas- enjoy you MNC 08
Hookem-Horns
P.S. being a Texas fan we have seen a whole lot of real close ones and the Horns usually pull them off, in 08 one went the other way- Same could be said for UF vs Ole Miss
Nobody was screwed at all...
So, here it is at the end of the season, the Gators having won only their 3rd N.C., and somebody decides to take the quote off the air-waves, or out of print, and place it on a plaque. Why? To inspire others into working harder and achieving greater things. It's no different than when a coach takes a newspaper clipping and places it on the team bulletin board, when the article contains a disrespectful quote from a coach or player of a future opponent. No, it's not up there on a plaque on a wall out in the open for all to see. Then again, Mr. Tebow's pledge wasn't a slight intended to disrespect another team. Instead it was to make a promise; a promise, as it would turn out, upon which he and ALL the Gators delivered. Isn't that worth sharing? I think it is.
Now that I've stated my opinion, and while many of us are trying to put what the U of FL has done in perspective (perhaps unnecessarily so), consider what Kevin has done, for which a few of you attempted to flay him. He observed what was done. Considered some history and traditions past. Made his OPINION known (an unpopular one from the look of it); then, asked the question, "What do you think?" As Gator nation sees this quote having been placed on a plaque as being no big deal (neither immortalization or memorialization of Mr. Tebow), rather a move to inspire future recruits as well as future and present students, I see Kevin's opinion, regarding tradition, that perhaps this "move" was prematre, as just that and only that; i.e. his opinion. I didn't see it as a slight against FL or Gator nation. But, that, as with the rest of this, is just my opinion.
It's also my opinion that making comparisons between Mr. Tebow & Bobby Bowden or Joe Paterno is silly. He's not even 1/3 the age of either man, has certainly neither achieved (hasn't had the opportunity) as much as either, nor has he had the impact upon as many people as either Mr. Bowden or Jo Pa. We're not arguing apples & oranges here; we're not even in the same food group. That said, Florida Gator fan or not, it's impossible not to recognize the impact that this young man has had on his team, not to mention upon other people due to his works outside the U of FL. I don't care who you are. Not only is it difficult to dislike him, it's difficult not to want to pull for him. If you're hearing this, Tim Tebow, God Bless you and yours. May you play on Sundays, as you were intended.
Typical of a school with little or no history to run out and over-do everything to make their short-lived winning look bigger than it actually is...
So you see any plaques with quotes from Joe Montana??? Joe Namath???
Of course not, b/c there is A LOT more to the tradition of Notre Dame & Alabama than one good season & one good QB...
Gator fans, enjoy it while you can, after the '09 season, Tebow is gone, and Oscar Meyer is off the South Bend to die a slow death. See you in the Outback Bowl for years to come...
selah
I heard on the Today show that the State of California might actually let you out in 2012 due to old age...
You probably want to live for that...
Bammer trying to call UF out as "white trash"????
That's just about funny right there...
How about whiping the 'bacc'y juice off your peach fuzz there trailer boy, and getting your head outta your ass. All one needs to do to gain acceptance to U'bama is connect the dots on the smiley face they call an application, and shazzam, you're a bammer (IF you decide to attend).
You'll need quite a bit more to secure a spot at UF...like graduating with high honors, AP courses, respectable SAT/ACT scores, extra-curriculars, something on your application that sets you apart....
As for Nameth and Montana--I don't recall either of them boys going out on a limb, placing their cred. on the line, promising to run the table....and delivering on the priomise--while in college.
Nameth in fact did go out on a limb and deliver--as a pro--prior to '69 superbowl--and it has been legendary lore ever since. Had he articulated something worth placing on a plaque, I'm sure it would've been done by now, by the Jets (in fact, they probably have done it; perhaps even in the Hall of Fame, though Idk...).
As for tradition--that's about all 'bama has left these days; about on par with Princeton and perhaps even Notre Dame, but at least Princeton boys and Domer's get an education they can boast of.
White trash???? Well played, numbnuts.
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The above is the only problem if you want to call it that, I have with how Tebow's "promise" is perceived by gator nation.
As far as I can recall he didn't promise to do anything but play hard. Put it this way, if the Gators would have came up short in the championship game, inevitably some people would have said something along the lines of Tebow not following through with his promise. Without a doubt the first FACT gator fans would point out in his defense was that he didn't specifically promise a championship.
So personally I can give him credit for playing as hard as anyone could possibly play and for motivating his team. However, I can't give him credit for promising to run the table and the doing it, no matter how hard gator fans try to parlay his words to that effect. A championship was just a byproduct of something he promised to do, but it wasn't required to vindicate his promise.
FWIW, I think he really did live up to his word. Personally, I've never seen a player work harder than Tim Tebow did last year, especially in the games against UGA, FSU, and Bama.
OK, so his words were merely a commitment to excellence that served to inspire a team to an unexpected 2nd championship in 3 years. That's all. What's the big deal with that, right?
Frankly no one would have remembered the speech had UF failed to win the NC, or at least the SEC championship---no more than anyone would have remembered Knute Rockne's "Gipper" speech referenced in the article above, had ND lost to Army, which they almost did (in fact, Rockne apparently didn't even want the story to get out, b/c he know it was fabricated, and he didn't think it would withstand scruitiny, but I digress...).
Bottom line: Tim Tebow promised excellence (in terms of his and teams' efforts); and he/they, delivered excellence, in terms of effort. Better?
Still works for me...still ends with a BCS crystal trophy on display in the bowels of Ben Hill Griffin Stadium....
....still the stuff of legends....
GO GATORS!!
You shouldn't have tried to pervert and twist his words into something they weren't in the first place. A real "Gator" fan would have realized he promised something more noteworthy than running the table. Every other day athletes guarantee wins, nothing special about that.
But to answer your question....yeah your latest interpretation is "better" although a tad embellished. I guess thats hard not to do when every other word Tebow says gives you goose bumps, but for the rest of us we can just take what he said literally.
One more thing........
You mentioned Florida winning their second championship in three years. Thats great and all but what's that their third overall? You mention this feat because you obviously feel it's relative to a programs success. Well based on this the Gators could win three championships a decade and if Ohio St. could only manage one it would still take Florida 60 years to match the prowess of OSU. So if you like to list Florida's accomplishments when you post, I have no problem comparing resumes.
............still a lack of perspective..........
1. You didn't persuade me--I simply acknowledged that your point was well taken;
2. I didn't try to "twist or pervert his words"--that wasn't even the focus of my post to Foster the commie--but however you want to characterze Tebow's words, nothing Nameth or Montana SAID, while in college, compares;
3. I don't get "goose bumps" over anything Tebow says, anymore that you get a hard-on everytime "the Vest" smiles (at least I certainly hope you don't);
4. Winning 2 championships in 3 years IS impressive, all by its lonesome--this is bourne out by the fact that you and pinko-bammer, BOTH, felt the need to interject your respective programs' glorious traditions--even Notre Dame's--to compare.
Finally-- if this were a thread about tOSU building a bronze statue or some such, to glorify the Vest, I wouldn't be posting in it--because I wouldn't give a sh*t. In otherwords, frankly, I'm actually flattered, that you, Bammers, Tigers, 'noles, 'canes, and so many other Gator haters, have taken such an interest (100 posts) in a simple f'n wall plaque.
We must be doing something right!
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I'm not a Gator Hater though..........
Nameth's plaque would read 'Ah whannah keesh yoo!'...
Seems 'ol "Broadway Joe" was, shall we say, FUBAR?
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I'd like remind you that I am a student at The University of Alabama. Sure, it's not a school known for outstanding academia. But I would like to inform you that my university leads the nation in All-USA College Academic Team members - ahead of Yale, Harvard, and yes, Florida. I'm not saying that an education at Alabama is better than Florida, etc by any means. However, I do take pride in my school and my education that I am receiving from here - so speak for yourself when discussion educations you can boast about.
Oh, and I'm not white trash, nor are any students that attend this university. The white trashers that get associated with the University of Alabama have never stepped foot onto this campus, thank you.
Oh, and I got accepted to the University of Florida also. Not that I would have ever gone there; I just applied. So us lower people who can connect the dots can get into your prestigious university too.
That's all ;)
:-)
FWIW: Helter Skelter drew first blood with the "white trash" remark, so he earned that one whole. Now perhaps a sniper shot was in order, rather than the ensuing buckshot in Bama's general direction, but it was a matter of reciprocity.
What's more, I never called you or any student of bama "WT"; all I said was that it's funny--as in ridiculous--for a bammer to be calling UF out as "WT". Open that door, and the academics, and anything and everything that isn't "WT", becomes fair game.
Finally, you probably don't remember this, but I've posted it many times before--I was bama bound, had UF not accepted me. That should show you that I do not hold bama in too low esteem...
...besides, I enjoyed making that smiley face, and sending it off to Tuscaloosa--if recollections serves, it looked something like this:
;)
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Secondly, I do not claim fosterkeats down there as one of my fellow Bama fans on this site, as I've said before.
Finally, my education is as good as the next persons. Except I consider myself a slightly more brighter person than anyone who chooses UF over UA...
I'll close with the same signature I used on my application:
;)
That pretty much says it all!
Folks, if you're going to assail the quality of education at another school or position your school's academics over another, I suggest thoroughly checking the spelling, syntax and semantics of your post.
Oh, wait - was this intended to be an April Fools post, BB?
It WAS a joke. See below.
Also, the "more brighter" thing was a typo. I was going to type "more intelligent" and then changed it to "brighter" without deleting the "more".
I make A's in english.
That's all ;)
"...I consider myself a slightly more brighter [sic] person than anyone who chooses UF over UA..."
...and what you consider yourself matters more than just about anything else. Seriously. Over the long haul, that's what will matter. That you feel good about your decision, that you don't regret it, that you make the most of it...
The quality of the school you choose matters in the first 3-4 years after graduation, and even that remains subject to and a function of, how much of yourself you invest in it. After that, the quality of the person will transcend the quality of the education (though the quality of education has the potential--and for that matter, the propensity--to influence the quality of the person, almost proportionately--but there are of course, many exceptions....).
Ultimately, a person's character will shine through no matter what kinda' paper they have hanging on their wall. A good person will rise above his education level and/or quality, and a bad person will under achieve, and disappoint.
God bless.... ;)
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It was a joke. Of course I don't consider myself smarter than you since I only see your knowledge through this football blog. I do not know you, therefore I can not insult your intelligence beyond this site.
I was joking about choosing Florida over Alabama, and how you have to have less brain cells for choosing Florida. Ha. Ha. Joke.
It's just like I alway kid my father and his side of the family (AU fans) about how I got the brains and good genes.
It wasn't a stab at your personal intelligence.
Thanks ;)
It shouldn't have been (a joke).
I didn't take it as "...a stab at [my] personal intelligence..."; I took it as a proclamtion of pride in your school, in your education, and in making the most of the opportunities you have--things I respect. That's why I backed off of the fun & games. My reply was sincere, and I stand by it.
Best of luck to you.
GO GATORS!!
I do take pride in my school, as do you. And we should. Alabama and Florida are great universities.
Thanks, TG. Same to you.
;)
:-)
Why, where ever could you have gotten such a notion?
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You said that in 2009 when (Tebow is gone) the Gators would be playing in the Outback Bowl. Are you saying that Tebow is that good, since you just insinuated that he is ALL THAT. So then, which is he, a douche bag, or a superman.
Tebow is a very big part of the Gators success, but the are other player that are just as good in their own right. By the way, who's your team???????
That Tebow kid is a douche bag...
It still does not explain Clempsun. lol.....
http://thebarricadeblog.com/2009/04/15/a-modest...