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Re: Texas to Politic, Pander, and Plead for a Split Title?

FSU_Ben — Mon, 19 Jan 2009 18:44:46 -0000

My quality wins are FSU, Clemson and of course the glorious Miami. Those are the best 3...

Fsu comes in at 17 and Miami is 35. The other three wins below #35.

As to playing style I forgot to respond to: I don't mean style in a personal preference sort of way.

I'm talking god given talent. Tebow isn't amazingly fast and certainly is not a good passer (as one of the commenters during the NC game stated "is often said" about tebow a comment made after another poor pass was amazingly caught and followed by something like "in spite of that he does seem to get the ball where it needs to be" --Luck? Good Recievers? A little of the first and lot of the second IMO). When I saw Ward play you were impressed with his playing, with watching him play and this is difficult to communicate, when I see Tebow play I am impressed with his results. I am amazed he pulled this or that off, I was never amazed with Wards results I was amazed with his abilities. I am never amazed by Tebows abilities I am amazed by his results.

For Tebow I am saying
"WTF that was crappy tackleing"
"OMG he just carried two tacklers for 3 more yards"
"Gah damn that is a good reciever scooped that right before it hit the ground"

Ward was Finesse, true talent. Something you can't get from Tebow. Tebow has a grit and determination I wish every single player had at FSU. He plays that extra *"10th of a second", gives that extra effort. I remember Tebow's very first successful pass against LSU, it was a jump where his two feet nearly hit his own butt (real ugly girly jump) and the ball flies out wobbling all over very slowly and is caught (a prime example of luck) by a florida player (a three year old girl could have caught it, the luck was the player was wore a Florida Jersey). His passes are often, as I have said, at the ground or over the head and still caught, it's about a very talented well coached recieving corp. I never suggested Tebow was Florida's best player, Harvin is light years above him and will play in the NFL barring injuries. Tebow would be lucky to see the NFL, would furthur be lucky to play QB let alone start as one. Of course I (and many more objective people) might be wrong there, we shall see.

*From an ESPN book (college football encyclopedia) that cites a study that came up with the difference between winning and losing teams (the good and bad plays) as being "an extra 10th of a second worth of effort".

Re: Texas to Politic, Pander, and Plead for a Split Title?

FSU_Ben — Mon, 19 Jan 2009 18:43:01 -0000

I qualified my product of a system comment somewhere I think... he accounted for the entire gator offense with just one other player last year (his sophomore season I mean-- and harvin as the one other player). I also stated he pulls fullback duties, something no quarterback at FSU has ever done. It's that that accomplishes his massive running TD numbers and his sheer volume of runs, designed runs, draws etc that we never would have a quarterback perform to such an extent and never have had a quarterback that was used purposely as a fullback on any sort of regular basis. I'm fairly sure I made all of those points. Yes every team has a system but not every system spends an entire season depending entirely on the quarterback 3 out of 5 plays (and harvin for 1 out of 5). I got so everyone in the SEC and at FSU was saying 'STOP TEBOW" because he personally converted so many third downs. We thought, we all thought (judging by various comments by various defensive players over the years of various teams) that this barely two dimensional offense would be easy to stop. Certainly we saw a much different and robust scheme this year so I am speaking of basically the Heisman winning year. I suppose I should have stated Tebow is a product of a specific QB stat favoring system – Urban Meyers QB dominant System but I had hopes you could understand without that specific of a qualification. I can’t even think of another team that puts a QB purposely through the grinder, even the Vicks or any other double threat quarterbacks were never intentionally used as fullbacks on almost every short yardage situation, all of those stats (or at least the attempts) would go to another whole player on most teams.

As to your point concerning me not knowing my own player, the facts you mention (4 varsity letters) are of little import to me and also known, I offer as proof the fact you already brought this up very early in the conversation. Ward started two years at FSU, what he did in what amounts to year 5-6 of high school given the quality of the team certainly shouldn't reflect on anything (the fact he had two more years of practice, which I guess is your point, not withstanding but hardly mattering to the discussion). It is often said that increasing the quality of your competition (or having competition at all) increases the quality of the player and even the ACC you knock is a dramatic increase over not starting at all, Incidentally I speak of the same ACC that won at least one national championship in all three of the last decades including two not from FSU by teams that were members at the time it was won --- so no I am not including Miami, (which non BCS conference did that? I am going to answer for you, none, some BCS conferences also can’t 80’s ACC 1, SEC 1 – 90’s ACC 3, SEC 3 – without Miami).

I would not consider Ward the best player at FSU either. That certainly wasn't what I was claiming even while arguing that Ward and Tebow were similar stories (I thought I was being nice saying that Tebow, who will never play a QB in the NFL most likely and certainly never a good one and probably won't go pro in any sport would have ranked below Ward who did go pro in two sports not including the one he was a college star in).

I apologize for my disjointed rambling though I feel it makes enough sense to anyone >80 IQ to at least get the gist of what I am saying, and you seem to get the gist even if it seems you skip large amounts. It would seem less disjointed or at least you would get everything I am attempting to communicate if you simply read everything. I suspect the comprehension is up to par thus far although there appears to be some gaps I attribute to memory or perhaps skipping reading the post entirely in the first place. I would seek to assure you that reading everything would keep me from having to repeat things (such as two posts back which is 50% repeat material as well as the entire first paragraph of this).

What is this Dark Heart garbage? You are a follower of the Evil Florida Empire of Bandwagoners and Jort wearing Mullet-heads. We are the oppressed! Years of almost entirely groundless insults from jealous Florida and now that we are the less successful program of the two average Florida fans still lack half the class and half the taste of the drunk fat kid in row 17 of the student section at Doak Campbell stadium with a tacky spear painted across his man-breast bearing bare chest! They are such deluded homers they think a team in the SEC has it hard when the toughest non con opponent any of them played was Texas which they lost with a STEEP drop off from there (to who? Clemson? FSU? You Decide). An admittedly decent bowl showing doesn’t cancel out the fact the unarguably WORST ACC team beat a middle of the pack SEC team. That Wyoming and LA Tech both not too hot in their non BCS conference both posted wins on SEC teams. It is infuriating to no end that SEC fans claim to have a good conference even on what is a markedly down year for them. Who cares about your conference wins when all the conference played trash, do you not see who they played?

Read Sagarin rankings!! He uses the only Data available to tell us Alabama played the 28th most difficult schedule in the nation why were they ranked 1 half the season? We then give Florida a 4th rating for SOS with Alabama and Oklahoma (two unscheduled games) the bulk of that fantastic ranking. They rank Duke over Auburn and Tennessee and Arkansas (that was the LOWEST acc team). Two of those hideous teams were vaunted SEC competition Florida faced, all three drove away coaches in the last 2 years (usually not the sign of stiff competition, one team even lost to a team that fired a coach!). And Florida State was the second best SEC non con opponent on the year by these rankings (scheduled), yes our 4 loss team. None of your “can’t know what your scheduling” excuses either, you certainly weren’t aiming high when the second highest team your conference faced was forced by the board of controllers (today’s board of regents -- by the way that is FACT) onto the schedule 50+ odd years ago. You aren’t aiming high with such wonders on your collective schedules as Wofford, Citadel, Georgia Southern, Norfolk State (the free wins taken by the SEC East). Samford, Appalachian State (For Florida’s SEC West opponents). This doesn’t include FBS wonders from the sunbelt such as North Texas or the various LA-LA and LA-MON or other nameless Louisiana teams, Doesn’t include double victories over down on their luck Tulane or beating less than exciting Memphis. How can we say a conference that doesn’t have any wonderful evidence of being strong is so strong? The beat each other? Someone had to win those games! Most of the teams that didn’t take a free win this year also missed bowl eligibility by one game (Arkansas, Tennessee, Auburn), or barely made it (Vanderbilt, Kentucky – Kudos to both, I mean that).

If none of THAT tells an interesting story consider that there are three quality wins in the entire SEC OOC schedule out of conference prior to a bowl game. By quality win I mean win that isn’t total and complete garbage, not quality win as in quality win. In the Sagarin top 50 the SEC beat 5 OOC and lost 6. I don’t think I’m missing anything there and people are welcome to double check those but that is 11 teams that even place in the top half of college football (roughly extending it out to 60 makes it 6-7) so out of 48 chances the sec scheduled a total of 13 teams in the top half of football and LOST more than half of those. Yes up until the bowl season it was hard to make an argument for SEC dominance. After the bowl season you add 6 wins, 2 losses to top 60 schools. I’m at a loss as to how we get to awesome strong SEC based on that. And that is the only thing you can base it on, saying the SEC is tough means they should have a dominant record not .571 (including all in the top 60) and you should probably actually play way more games of that caliber.

Re: Texas to Politic, Pander, and Plead for a Split Title?

gatorhippy — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 23:14:12 -0000

Who says I have a straight face...

Tebow out performing Ward puts a smile on any Gator's face...

Hell, in all honesty Ward IMO isn't even the best player in FSU history...

I would reserve that for Deion or Brooks...

Anyhoo...

While I see where you are coming from with your stat defense, you are not accounting for passer rating which takes into account the number of games in its formula and evens it all out...

Ward (who received 4 varsity letters in FB - please learn more about your team if your going to attempt to defend it) doesn't stack up statistically, in titles won or intangibles as I've already pointed out...

Nobody has forgotten about Leak which is precisely why I pointed out that Tebow was a key role player on the 2006 gator championship squad...

As far as your difficulty of schedule theory goes in regards to Chuck vs. Tim...

In 1992, 5 of the eleven teams FSU faced finished with sub-.500 records and in 1993 5 of the 13 teams faced finished in the same manner...

Not to mention at the time, the ACC was no better than any non-BCS conference today...

What I find extremely humorous is your contention that Tebow is a product of "the talent around him" and a product of the sytem while Ward was just simply talented...

So are we to believe that there wasn't talent of equal measure around Ward as there is around Tebow?

Are we also to believe that Ward didn't play in a system and was simply the entire catalyst to Nole sucess in '92 & '93 while Tebow is simply just standing there and the plays are running themselves?

"Product of the system' is perhaps the most ridiculous phrase in assessment you can make...

ALL squads have a system, Ben, and all players are a product of it...

Nobody in organized football just shows up and draws up plays with bottlecaps and glass in the mud ala "Best of Times"...

You don't buck the system and then be successful as a football team...

The system is what makes the team and makes the player on any team...

And in any offensive system, the rest of players are only as good as the guy getting them the ball...

Playing style? Not even a discussion point but a personal preference and won't warrant aknowledgement from me...

I already outlined where the similiarites stopped on the other thread (please go back and reread...again...)

I do find it a little odd that you would mock Tim for his 850 score on the SAT taken at age 13 given Ward couldn't even gain admission to FSU initially having to spend a year at TCC before even making it on campus due to his poor academic performance in the class room...

But as I said before: Whatever keeps your dark little Nole heart warm at night...

As far as my curiosity being peaked...

It's in your UF & SEC schedule asessment...

You stated earlier that you didn't have enough room in the comment section to break it all down and your muddled, unorganized passages and cryptic phrasing is difficult to interpret your exact points...

I'm simply suggesting you put it all together with breakdowns for all 11 conferences and comparisons and contrasts to the SEC and send it over to K-Hue...

It would seemingly be a good thread topic that could possibly foster alot of discussion amongst everyone rather than just you and I...

Re: Texas to Politic, Pander, and Plead for a Split Title?

gatorhippy — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 22:23:44 -0000

Moving to the bottom of the page...

Re: Texas to Politic, Pander, and Plead for a Split Title?

FSU_Ben — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:32:47 -0000

Amazing you can say that with a straight face knowing ward played one less regular season game and in a conference with no championship game at the time (something "tim" has played in twice in 3 years). He never played teams as weak as the easiest teams Tebow played to rack up stats on. He never played that style of offense that had tebow carring the entire team on his back with designed runs and draws as well as doing fullback duties that most coaches would never have a quarterback do. Considering all of that, Wards numbers are pretty impressive. If you need to see how much a difference there is note that nearly all heisman winners from the 90's are now out of the top 3-5 performers (overall on a team) and have dropped below pretty luke warm players that followed them. All because of one or two games extra.

I am wondering what has your curiousity peaked? I don't mind writing up all the research in an email if you specifiy what but I don't want to guess at the wrong thing and do all the work for nothing.

Re: Texas to Politic, Pander, and Plead for a Split Title?

gatorhippy — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 15:26:25 -0000

Seriously, bub...

Work it all out with all the numbers, schedules, etc. and send it over to Kev...

You honestly have my curiosoty peaked as to whether your theory holds water...

As far as Ward vs. Tebow...

Ward had two full years to compile his stats as a starter...

His accomplishments do not compare...

Ward was a good...nay...great player in his own right...

But doesn't stack up to Tim...

Re: Texas to Politic, Pander, and Plead for a Split Title?

FSU_Ben — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 15:17:34 -0000

I didn't respond to your earlier post because it was so old I thought you wouldn't bother look. You should know Ward hasn't had nearly the time to post numbers Tebow has. He really started one year. He played at FSU for two (which you knew). He never played any crap teams either to rack up stats on (citadel, western carolina, troy, ucf are all well below teams he played, especially in the given years played none were and two still aren't div 1-A teams when he played). Check our schedules you will find none of those teams only (current) BCS his national championship year (Kansas, Nebraska, Notre Dame, Miami, Florida are the ooc including bowl). The year prior we did drop 10 touchdowns on a two win Tulane but everyone else was BCS (or rather is currently). You well know there were no freshman, sophomore years for Ward. Ward was also truely talented. There is no way you you can say with a straight face that Tebow isn't the product of Urban Meyer's system. It would only be slight exageration to say 65% of the plays were called draws his heisman year. Where he plowed through the line. That is hardly athletic talent like Ward's evasive runs when a play broke down. Ward was a good quarterback, a great college quarterback. Tebow is a fullback product of a system nearly entirely dependent on a system that allows him to post those numbers you so desperately cling to as proof that he was somehow better than Charlie Ward.

And certainly it is weak to claim you have three national championship winning quarterbacks in two years you must forget Leak was the starter in 2006. Or should we give Branton credit should he bring home a national championship in his senior year (when I think he will start) for two national championships because he was a backup quarterback? Does your system require the backup be apart of some bizzare two quarterback system?

I certainly don't see a boot anywhere near my groin with twisted numbers and the fact he now has two national championships, his and Leaks (leeks?).

How many sports does fat fullback play? My point being he isn't remotely as athletic as Charlie Ward.

Charlie went on, as I am sure you know, to play in the NBA and was drafted by the Brewers and the Yankees as a pitcher (hmm remember making an accuracy comment?). Charlie could have gone to FSU on a Tennis Scholarship which he also played.

Tebow can carry two tacklers 5 yards. I wonder who has more talent.

Re: Texas to Politic, Pander, and Plead for a Split Title?

gatorhippy — Mon, 12 Jan 2009 09:19:21 -0000

He took the SAT when he was 13...

Re: Texas to Politic, Pander, and Plead for a Split Title?

gatorhippy — Mon, 12 Jan 2009 09:16:30 -0000

I tell ya what, Benny...

Why don't you whip us up a post breaking down all these "claimed" facts and backing them all up with schedule breakdowns and statistical data and forward it over to K-Hue...

It will certainly give you plenty of space to breakdown and actually present a followable argument...

BTW - I already booted you square in the nuts over the Tebow/Ward comparison here...

And don't forget...

You can add a second MNC ring to that now...

;-]

Re: Texas to Politic, Pander, and Plead for a Split Title?

hrposon — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 21:16:54 -0000

To quote TB, ROTFL

Re: Texas to Politic, Pander, and Plead for a Split Title?

FSU_Ben — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 01:50:20 -0000

I don't think we have to give up games. Wish we could realize they aren't mutually exclusive. The bowls would move back to what they were most of thier lifespans and be removed from a national championship question. Playoff AND bowls with the first two rounds of the playoff's losers being filtered into games.

Re: Texas to Politic, Pander, and Plead for a Split Title?

FSU_Ben — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 01:46:00 -0000

Not quite but it is a decent analogy. Tee ball all the kids get to bat too. Here we have a system where two kids get to bat and one kid gets the trophy. We just SAY those crappy plaques from the other games are worth a hoot I don't think anyone buys it.

Re: Texas to Politic, Pander, and Plead for a Split Title?

FSU_Ben — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 01:45:44 -0000

LOL

Re: Texas to Politic, Pander, and Plead for a Split Title?

FSU_Ben — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 01:41:59 -0000

That is a good way to look at it. I would certainly suspect Florida to be the better team, of course I thought Alabama was too....

I never thought these teams that ended the season undefeated (Boise, Utah, Utah, Hawaii, Boise) deserved a shot. It is 3-2 for them against BCS schools at this point, 2-0 for Utah. How do these programs earn respect? Last I checked the SEC (or any other BCS conference) isn't looking for more teams.

Re: Texas to Politic, Pander, and Plead for a Split Title?

FSU_Ben — Thu, 08 Jan 2009 20:04:16 -0000

Yeah, I wasn't being entirely flattering about Timbo. You might catch a few other things in my description as well :P

Re: Texas to Politic, Pander, and Plead for a Split Title?

War_Eagle_Atlanta — Thu, 08 Jan 2009 17:57:28 -0000

But 850 is BAD. On the SATs...

You still get 400 points for fogging a mirror. Right?

Re: Texas to Politic, Pander, and Plead for a Split Title?

FSU_Ben — Thu, 08 Jan 2009 16:39:17 -0000

FACT the southern conference is a FCS conference. FACT most the entire conference is one game removed from Florida.

FACT .612 is good, unless you consider how we got there. Texas and Oklahoma played 2 games against teams that ended the season with 1 loss (regular season) and one that ended it with one loss even after a bowl game.

FACT you are ONE F'ING GAME REMOVED FROM MORE FCS OPPONENTS THAN ANYONE. REMOVE THOSE FREE WINS AND THINGS LOOK A LOT DIFFERENT, REMOVE THEM FROM EVERYONE AND YOU END UP A LOT LOWER ON THE SOS TOTEM POLE. FACT FCS OPPONENTS AND WINS ARE WEAK.

FACT sunbelt opponents are trash.
FACT sunbelt opponents count for a good percentage of those wins.

Basically I am just repeating myself but highlighting the UNDISPUTABLE FACTUAL PART.

The opinion GIVEN THESE FACTS, would be shared by MANY PEOPLE. BUT A SCHEDULE OF OPPONENTS that played WEAK (or should I say only BEAT WEAKLING) OPPONENTS does not TRANSLATE to strong schedule.

My opinon: Florida certainly earned thier berth.
My opinion: Attacking Utah (or especially TEXAS) for claiming the same based on thier schedule is hypocritical.

Those were implied from the thread but those and beating opponents that had weaksauce schedules proves nothing.

As to Charlie Ward, since you mentioned it.

Watching Charlie Ward was special. It was watching TALENT and FINESSE.

Watching Tim Tebow isn't nearly the same (though that may be bias). But it isn't finesse or talent. It is strength, drive and motivation. That and it is obvious he is a product of both a system and the talent around him.

The way they were similar stories Mr. LMAO, is that they were both heisman winning star quarterbacks of Florida schools. Nothing similar there? You really lost the focus of that post.

I guess you took "similar stories" in the wrong way. You thought I meant they were both black or both white? Perhaps that I meant both were home schooled? Perhaps that both got 850 on thier SAT? Both fat?

The stories aren't exactly the same no, good of you to clear up the confusion I may have caused. Ward was a two sport star who threw passes to the numbers and scrambled amazingly away from tacklers with evasive speed.

Tebow is a fat white kid (with 850 SAT) who throws 4 feet over or 4 feet under the numbers consistantly counting on amazing recievers to grab the ball. He plows through a line on called draws and can often stay standing with a tackler on his legs for another 4-5 yards. There is something to say for such pure strength, drive and motivation, as well as obvious charisma but it is talent in a scouts sense of the word. They don't do NFL workouts to test your charisma or drive and motivation. Perhaps they should...

In the future I would like to know if you need me to LABEL all indisputable facts and those things that are strong opinion. I will do so if you need. I was thinking most people are smart enough to know the difference rather than claim an entire post is opinion when only one thing in the entire post is opinion and the rest just evidence to back it up. Dispute the evidence.

I didn't just say your opinion was stupid and leave it at that. I attacked your evidence. In reponse you reposted the same evidence with no addtional backup, some rather irrelevant facts about 4 other teams, and again said my opinions are stupid. That is hardly an attempt at debate.

On the flipside I used facts to support my evidence and earlier I posted specific comments on each team Florida played. FSU was one of your better wins.... and we were trash and we know it. Alabama was your best and a million excuses later they lost to Utah. Ole Miss looked good but then they beat you in the swamp. USC was trash, plain and simple (I wish them luck every year cause I respect the OBC but let us face the fact or dispute it). Arkansas.... yes... they played a hard schedule and LOST BAD. Citadel is Citadel. No one on Utah or Texas' schedule looks that bad. They are a BAD FCS school. LSU, well they had um, thier worst year in a really long time. Kentucky, give me a break, while the had a good year for Kentucky they are a mediocre team on thier best years. Tennessee lost to Wyoming... didn't make a bowl, thier worst season in what 30 years? Hawaii... I won't touch that.

I'm arguing in part of that post that debate is the point of blogging. Please use supporting evidence for why "I have no idea what I am talking about" when I post facts that you make no attempt to dispute. Ensure you have read my post in it's entirety so that you aren't confusedly assuming I didn't read yours, I guess?

.612 I said IS GOOD. Read, comprehend.

I then said how did UF get there. Read, comprehend.

I then went over how UF got there. Read, comprehend.

Re: Texas to Politic, Pander, and Plead for a Split Title?

gatorhippy — Thu, 08 Jan 2009 07:07:01 -0000

Right, Ben...

The Florida schedule is surely weak with their opponents only registering a .612...

Amazing they made a bowl game...

But apparently if Florida's regular season cumulative opposition registering a .612 for the season is "weak", "cupcake", and "full of patsies"...

I guess the rest of the NCAA's is as well given that the other five teams that were in front of them in opponents' cumulative win percentage all had similiar averages...

Ok at .631, Tex at .626, UGA at .616, Ark at .614...

But yeah, Ben...

Gators played a "weak" schedule according to you....

Just like Charlie Ward and Tim Tebow are "similiar stories"...

LMAO...

Re: Texas to Politic, Pander, and Plead for a Split Title?

jake — Thu, 08 Jan 2009 02:34:58 -0000

Jason, you're talking apples and oranges. First, many March Madness fans only pay attention to the tournament because of the hype and betting, not because they truly like college basketball. Second, college basketball has far more regular season games (naturally), which are played during a time when many other major sports are televised - NBA, CFB, NFL, NHL, etc. Regular season college basketball games just get lost in the mix of TV schedules but become a priority when the "big dance" happens in March with few other sports options.

Plain and simple: the NFL plays football in which every game - regular season or playoff - matters and has viewership. Playoff games get more attention simply by nature. A CFB playoff would be the exact same thing just with more teams bidding for a playoff spot. If anything, a CFB playoff might get more attention than an NFL game because underdog teams like Utah would get a chance to upset the big dogs. In contrast, pro sports rarely have true upsets (at least relative to college sports) because every team has the talent to win on any given Sunday.

Re: Texas to Politic, Pander, and Plead for a Split Title?

FSU_Ben — Thu, 08 Jan 2009 02:28:25 -0000

As you said earlier, read my post. It was built on the backs of other weak links. One awesome win in your conference in a bowl and 5 or 6 decent wins makes those bowl teams in conference I addressed all those teams. They were all crap and you lose to the best of them. Alabama I won't say was crap but it isn't all that much different then the 6-6 team from last year. It was the abject weakness of your conference this year that made the difference for them (made a good deal of the difference at least of course increased maturity etc.).

Talk about how many teams went to bowls that will be convincing. Oh they are bowl teams? Wow. The NCAA doesn't even require a winning season anymore and you can have a free div 1-AA game too! Whopee! That made a great deal of those teams elidgible, that and a few wonderous teams from the sunbelt. Read the post. I wanted to make a really long one going over basically the entire ooc of the SEC which is REALLY BAD, you beat a bunch of teams that beat each other and REALLY BAD teams from mostly BAD conferences. That is what I am talking about and the facts are there in plain view, it's not much to talk about which is probably why I "have no idea what I am talking about". I call what I am talking about FACTS. Sorry if you don't like them. I am admiting FSU and Miami are crap but suddenly they are awesome when we talk SOS?

Argue with my individual comments on each team. You also are one game removed from more FCS opponents than anyone else. 1 game removed from almost the entire southern conference .612 sounds hot now doesn't it? .612 should be expected with that combined schedule!

Re: Texas to Politic, Pander, and Plead for a Split Title?

FSU_Ben — Thu, 08 Jan 2009 02:15:32 -0000

Heh, they have been for 5 years now and still you are suprised?

Re: Texas to Politic, Pander, and Plead for a Split Title?

Ben Prather — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 23:39:26 -0000

Neither did Utah think Michigan would be.

That was a sloppy ugly game. Our worst of the year by far.

Re: Texas to Politic, Pander, and Plead for a Split Title?

Ben Prather — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 23:30:56 -0000

Oh wait. Looking back at BCS conference posts I think I am learning how to do this...

That New Mexico game was close because we were looking ahead to TCU 5 days later. Our heads were not in that game.

Also it was a conference game, and conference games are always tougher than our out of conference foes.

New Mexico was 2-2 OOC, including two bowl eligible team one of which they beat. Most of their losses came in conference, a conference that is 2-0 vs. the SEC.

I know it is harder to recruit to Tennessee than Wyoming.

We play a crappy #3 team from the SEC in the Sugar Bowl, who only looked good because of their weak conference schedule, and they did not hold up nearly as well to us as New Mexico, Air Force or TCU.

Sarcasm aside...

A win is not equal to a loss. PERIOD.

Re: Texas to Politic, Pander, and Plead for a Split Title?

Bevo_Boiler — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:14:27 -0000

Oh, that makes a lot more sense lol

Re: Texas to Politic, Pander, and Plead for a Split Title?

OU_Ron — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 20:05:13 -0000

We've only figured out how to get to the BIG one's, haven't figured out how to win em.........yet