Great article, but Tuberville's an idiot for making that stance with his assistants...They staged a palace coup, and that effectively neutered his ability to bring in top-flight quality coordinators...
Tuberville had success, but had grown stale...You can't send the message to the coaching community that the best job at Auburn is to be an assistant, and not a coordinator, since the assistants get the coordinators fired...
Tuberville made his money, and whether you think he resigned or you realize that Lowder'd had enough of his crap, that was a dumb move on Tommy's part if he wanted to remain coach...EVERYONE saw how that Tony Franklin debacle unfolded...It was bad for business...
ROLLTIDE_73
· 12 months ago
I agree with you 100%
Porcine
· 1 year ago
Yeah, coaches are fired because of Nick Saban and winning percentage. It couldn't possibly be anything else. This is a bit over-simplified.
ROLLTIDE_73
· 12 months ago
I dont think it has anything to do with Sabans succes in his second year Lowder was out for Tommy long before Nick showed up
Porcine
· 12 months ago
I was talking about the perceived emphasis on winning the SEC seems to have. "Five coaches have been fired since Saban came back to the SEC. Why? Because Saban is winning and EVEN SUCCESSFUL SEC COACHES are being held to the insane standard of winning a national championship this year or next. No margin for error - win a championship next season or your fired." This doesn't work unless people in Fayetteville and Oxford have crystal balls because Saban only went 6-6 in the regular season.
FSU_Ben
· 12 months ago
Yeah the author does exaggerate there but it certainly seems that at least with Tennessee and Auburn to be the case. I personally think it was one Rev. Houston Nutt who got Croom to resign. That was quite a turn around for Ole Miss that made Croom look pretty bad.
Porcine
· 12 months ago
Yeah I think State got a little trigger happy.
ROLLTIDE_73
· 12 months ago
I got cha
DixieGeek
· 1 year ago
What a bunch of hooey...
Fulmer, Tubberville and Croom had 17, 10 and 5 years respectively to deliver. Fulmer delivered exactly one NC and two SEC championships. Tubberville delivered exactly one SEC championship and not much else. The expectations of Croom were even less. He just had to win consistently; he failed, having only one winning season and never having a winning conference record. And when he failed he failed big, only having one season in five with more than 4 wins. Thats a pitiful record for ANY conference.
When lots of good money is paid, lots of good results are expected. Nobody at Alabama expected the Crimson Tide to go 12-0 this year. Most fans would have settled for 8-4 or 7-5 and a respectable bowl bid. By the way, In the same amount of time that Fulmer was the coach at Tennessee, Alabama won a NC, two SECC's and has had two undefeated seasons, all under six different head coaches and six years of probation (without bowl game opportunities)
TigerEducated is right. No coach in his right mind fires his offensive coordinator in the middle of the season. You might take away his power, but you at least wait until the season is over to get rid of him. Tubberville IS and idiot and has no business running a football program. He might have had a winning record at Auburn, but he only had 3 seasons out of 10 with fewer than 3 losses. You can't be in the BCS hunt with more than 2 losses (unless, of course, you're Notre Dame... :-)
So, while it might look to those who don't examine the records that the folks at Tennessee, Auburn and Mississippi State are crazy, what is really happening is that they aren't willing to settle for mediocrity.
Kevin @ Fanblogs
· 1 year ago
First, you need to check your stats.
Second, who do you think Auburn IS? Forget who they want to be or see themselves as, but who Auburn IS? Do you realize that they were tied with GEORGIA TECH for SEC titles? Not Georgia... Georgia TECH.
Auburn is now a job that every coach should be leery of. The insanity of rich boosters, secret flights, and an AD that has lost control is not a good working environment.
FSU_Ben
· 1 year ago
Agreed.
U.of S.C.1978
· 1 year ago
Ditto.
DixieGeek
· 1 year ago
I checked my stats, thank you, as I wrote my comments above. I checked the records of each coach during his tenure at the respective schools.
I wasn't arguing about what they are. I know what/who Auburn is. It has always been a second or third tier football school. Personally, I don't see that changing. However, I stand by my statement that they and MS State and Tennessee aren't willing to settle for mediocrity at least not in very recent history. They may never accomplish anything better, buy they sure want to.
NMLSooner
· 1 year ago
You did however leave out that Tubberville led Auburn to a 13-0 season, and missed playing for the NC only because they did it in a year with three undefeated teams in major conferences.
DixieGeek
· 1 year ago
I told friends of mine that year that Auburn had the best team in the nation. With the exception of LSU, they manhandled every team they played.
However, if you remember, they wimped out before the season started and asked FSU to let them out of their game; AU replaced FSU with "powerhouse" The Citadel instead. Had they played and beaten FSU, no doubt they would have played for the NC. Strength of schedule does mean something.
TampaGator
· 1 year ago
Hey man....I saw that sketch (avatar) on the post office wall--that you?
GO GATORS!!
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
He's to be considered southern and extremely geeky...
TampaGator
· 11 months ago
I think Dixie Geek thought I was being serious when I mentioned seeing his mug on the post office wall; he hasn't been back since. Probably thought the feds were on to him!
"...there coming to take me away, ha ha..."
GO GATORS!!
WarEagleFan
· 1 year ago
Actully AU opted out of the FSU game in 1999 and replaced them with App state. In 04 they orgianlly had Bowling Green scheduled and they back out at the last second to play....wait for it..... Oklahoma. So we had to get a game at the last minute and all that was left was the Citadel. And that's one of the reasons that AU got screwed out of the MNC game. So once again get out facts straight before posting
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
Another great argument to counter with when the detractors cry about our OOC schedule that year was that we played four top 15 ranked teams that year, USC played two and OU played one...
And we almost caught OU in the final BCS poll. Had Alabama been worth a $hit that year, it would have given us the bump to have played in the title game...
WarEagleFan
· 1 year ago
And the fact that we beat Tennesse twice that year also hurt our SOS. A damned if you do and damned if you don't kind of thing
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
Actually, it didn't. Tennessee was ranked in the top 15 BOTH times we played them, so there's two of the four. LSU and Georgia were the others, both top 10s, and that's not counting top 10 ranked VA Tech in the Sugar Bowl.
WarEagleFan
· 12 months ago
It is my understanding that because Tennesse lost twice to us that that extra loss brought down our SOS because Tennesse as far as the computers were concerned was not as good. But because of the WAY you make your argument it makes it seem the oppisite.
1Tomcat
· 1 year ago
WEA so it was Bama's fault LOL bring down AU's SOS Thanks man-yall deserved a shot - OU beat UT that year 12-0 UT finished 11-1 in 04 much like Colo,Ark and A&M on this years Texas schedule? All three of those are usually real good opponents No this year OU its Tenn Chatt and Cinn with the toughest opponents in Norman TTech & TCU- sounds tougher BTW UT had TTech and TCU at home in 07 Guess yall are pulling for Gators now
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
Normally, I might root for Alabama, being for the SEC west, but if they gain too much momentum, it might be bad...
I think it'll be a close game but the Gators will win...
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
Kudos for disagreeing with him and getting a separate jab in all in the same swoop, Kev...
That takes talent!
Kevin @ Fanblogs
· 12 months ago
skillz.
grover
· 1 year ago
Alright, that is over the top. According to a quick google search, Georgia Tech has 5 SEC championships. Auburn has 6. Florida for that matter has 7. Is Florida a lousy job because they are close to tied with Georgia TECH for SEC championships?
Auburn is a GREAT job!
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
Georgia Tech DOES only have five, but I didn't want to stop him while he was on a roll...
The point Kevin wanted to make was that GA Tech hasn't been in the SEC in 45 years...
But when you add in Tech's ACC championships (at 50 cents on the dollar compared to SEC crowns) they're exactly even...
FSU_Ben
· 1 year ago
Well those ACC championships are like .25 on the dollar. They havn't won since they were one of two football programs in a basketball conference. Not to knock Tech, they are like my number two team. They have a 24W-9L-6T record against Florida which I am very jealous of and against FSU it's 9W-12L-2T which is how I like it. In case anyone is curious in those days the SEC was Sewanee, Tulane, GT all current teams except USC (which was ACC) and Arkansas. GT was a founding member of the SEC and USC was a founding member of the ACC. The ACC and SEC were one conference called the Southern at one point (which is today the best FCS div conference holding like 10 national championships since 1978).
Auburn though does have a serious lack of NC for being such a winning school. I don't call it a second tier team it has long long long been considered top tier historically.
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
Thanks, but I disagree. Top tier to me would be a historically ranked top 15 program, and we're just outside that.
We don't count MNCs like Alabama, so we are a bit lacking in that department. We truly got hosed in 1983 and potentially hosed in 2004. I say potentially because we didn't get a chance to play for it...
Kevin @ Fanblogs
· 12 months ago
Auburn is a GREAT job... but the last six years of crazed boosters and inept leadership has made it a complete non-starter for many coaches. I don't think too many Tigers would dispute that plane-gate and this "resignation" reek.
I've always had a soft spot for AU. Too many great nights to count spent on road trips up there from Tally. I just wish the boosters/admin realized what they are doing to the rep on a very, very public stage.
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 12 months ago
To sum it all up, I think we're now that lime-green painted house with the 2-foot tall weed infested lawn in that gorgeous subdivision, SEC Estates...
Just a little fixing-up'en required...
Kevin @ Fanblogs
· 12 months ago
Yeah... that's what I said... they were tied.
Kevin @ Fanblogs
· 12 months ago
Yeah... that's what I said.. they were tied.
"BC"
· 1 year ago
wow. and you all were getting on to ME for kicking auburn while they are down. true statement though...
TampaGator
· 1 year ago
Auburn's just a squirrel trying to get a nut...
...just like everyone else.
GO GATORS!!
Bama_Babe
· 1 year ago
Great article and links. This is pretty much what I was saying yesterday about the success at Alabama affecting the decision.
I truly believe, aside from the power-hungry boosters and coordinator issues, that the almost immediate success that Saban has had at Alabama has caused Auburn - along with other SEC schools - to re-evaluate their situations. They saw Tommy Tuberville go 13-0 in his 6th year, and win one SEC Championship. Then they see a guy like Nick Saban come in and have his team in the SEC CG in year 2. They simply realized they weren't satisfied with a guy who won 1 in 10 years, no matter what his overall record is. Meyer and Miles winning it all in their 2nd year doesn't help, either. Is it crazy? Yes. But that's just the reality of it.
School's want championships - and they don't care about the relationships they kill or how much money they spend in order to get them.
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
Tuberville came into Auburn and had his team in the SEC CG in the 2nd year, too.
Saban's 2008 chapter hasn't been written yet, so let's reserve judgement, but I would agree that so far, so good.
But saying that all of Tubs' troubles are because of Saban is way too convenient. This stuff goes back much further than that. It certainly doesn't help, though...
Bama_Babe
· 1 year ago
Don't get me wrong, I wasn't saying that it was all because of Saban by any means. I just said it was a part of the whole.
Yeah, it's premature to say Saban has won anything yet - I just think it's the fact that he had an undefeated regular season in year 2. Although, if we lose the next one, the undefeated season won't really matter anymore...
IMO I really do not think Saban has an effect on the SEC besides he is a great winning coach. It is not exactly like he came out of no where. LSU.... I kind of agree with the lost it's dang mind theory. Sure every team wants to be great every year, but there are 119 teams and only one can prevail(and sometimes alot of others get shafted, you know about that first hand). I am kind of on the fence with where AU is at right now. You have to really love a program that is proactive and won't accept anyting but championships. I really cannot stand people keeping losing coaches around because he was a "nice guy". Example, Spike Dikes at Texas Tech. (Coach before Leach) On the other hand you wonder if some decision making is a little bit too hasty.
FSU_Ben
· 1 year ago
I'm going to bet most SEC fans would be content with regular SEC championships even if those did not lead to national championships. Now I would tend to agree that in the SEC that often entails also being national title competetive but many of these teams want a shot at being the best of 12 teams not the best of all 119. Teams like Vandy are ecstatic just to get a bowl this year. The SEC greats Auburn, Fla, Alabama, Georgia, LSU, Tennessee want at least an SEC championship every few years.
-The BCS is blessed that each conference doesn't have an undefeated team at this point in the year, that is when the cries for a playoff would become cacaphonous-
ROLLTIDE_73
· 12 months ago
I would agree with that assessment
Wardboy3
· 1 year ago
Doesn't something like this always comes up every so often. I remember in the mid 90's something like this going on nationally b/c everyone wanted the immediate turn around all b/c of Northwestern. Wasn't it something like, if NW can win the BIG10 why can't we win our conf?
grover
· 1 year ago
And no, the SEC has not lost it's dang mind, it is just following the money. As long as all of us are willing to shell out the money we do for tickets and merchandise, the big contracts and demands for instant and repeated success will persist.
clemson1981
· 1 year ago
What are you all talking about? I think any coach in his right mind would love to take the Auburn job! Why not? So what big boosters, under the radar plane flights, a crazy AD, that's the same ol stuff for southern football. Auburn has produced the results and the players and the coaches to verify their status as a premier SEC football squad and here is the proof:
AU is the 13th all time winningest football program in the history of college ball. 8 AU teams are in the Billingsley top 200 teams of all time list (1869-2006) Ranked 470 times out of 970 polls with an average rank of 11.11 Ranks 8th over the past 25 years with a 71.7% win percentage (214-83-5) Two Hiesman Trophy winners (Pat Sullivan-1971 and Bo Jackson-1985) 62 All-Americans 1 Consensus National Title 10 Conference Championships (6 SEC) Coaches like John Heisman and Shug Jordan (176-83-6) and Pat Dye all of whom are in the College football Hall of Fame 15-12 vs. top 10 opponents since 2000 having won 9 of the last 14 Won 31 of their last 43 SEC games including 15 of last 21 SEC ROAD GAMES 9th among NCAA Schools in current NFL players from the university, and 5th in the SEC only behind Tennessee, Georgia, LSU, and Florida.
If you ask me, that sounds like a much better job right now than some other places. Please correct me if i made a mistake on any of those but I had reliable sources.
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
Why is everybody looking at me? I didn't tell him to say any of that...
:-)
Regan
· 1 year ago
It's situations like these which make me glad I was an Economics major.
Quite simply, the dollars-and-sense end will bring about a change in the SEC at some point. With Alabama's outright insane salary for Saban, the SEC indeed has been thrown into a tizzy regarding it's coaches. While I can understand the reasons for all 3 being let go, continuous turnover just isn't good for a football program.
One thing to think about - coaches are State Employees. Saban is the highest-paid state employee in the nation, and academic institutions across the country are having to cut costs to simply stay viable.
While I never see Saban's salary being cut like the average hard-working college administrator, there is a problem here.
There is also a problem with the insane expectations of coaches nowadays, a trend that closely mirrors the shrinking attention span of the average American. As we get less and less patient, we give them less and less time.
The good news is that these two trends are heading for a direct collision. While mediocrity is not what any team should consider to be acceptable considering a coach, success will simply have to be re-defined at many programs in the days to come. It's simple Economics. :)
TigerEducated
· 1 year ago
That's a misnomer...Everyone...From Saban while he was at LSU to Miles now to Saban at Alabama, are paid massive amounts of their salary through the booster groups & "internet & television" deals via their coaches & radio shows...
Miles is only paid $300K through the state...and Saban was only paid $250K while was coach at LSU via the state (IE-LSU)....
Regan
· 12 months ago
Indeed this is exceptionally true, TE; but few people actually realize it.
It's kinda like the fact that the President has exceptionally little to do with the Economy, but the overwhelming majority of people believe that he is intimately involved with it.
Once budget-minded people start getting greater in number as bad economic times start hurting more and more people, disgruntled people will begin multiplying and no one will want to hear the truth.
PrinceMarko
· 1 year ago
Auburn is a great football school. And its not unreasonable to expect its football program to win an SEC championship every 5-10 years. If Tauberville wasn't delivering and there was no sign that they would catch Alabama and Florida in the next couple years, then yes, a change is needed.
TampaGator
· 1 year ago
....just don't blame UF; we're just poor, innocent bystanders, in all this insanity!
GO GATORS!!
Hotty_Toddy
· 12 months ago
I like scrolling down on the articles as far as I can before seeing who did it -- and try to guess who did it, by the length of it. I guessed at first TE did this one... and I saw Kevin's name. I'm 10-11 now. Dang.
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 12 months ago
But TE can back him up on it...
Nah, TE wouldn't do a negative SEC thread. You know, kinda the same way that Terminators can't self-terminate...
TigerEducated
· 12 months ago
Come viyth meyurhh, if vu vantuh to livuh....
Regan
· 12 months ago
GETT TWO DHEE CHOPPAAAAAAA!!!
U.of S.C.1978
· 12 months ago
Fire Nick Saban!
thedogtreat
· 11 months ago
Just schedule the Citadel for a chance to win the phony college football elite trophy anytime.
All Comments
Tuberville had success, but had grown stale...You can't send the message to the coaching community that the best job at Auburn is to be an assistant, and not a coordinator, since the assistants get the coordinators fired...
Tuberville made his money, and whether you think he resigned or you realize that Lowder'd had enough of his crap, that was a dumb move on Tommy's part if he wanted to remain coach...EVERYONE saw how that Tony Franklin debacle unfolded...It was bad for business...
"Five coaches have been fired since Saban came back to the SEC. Why? Because Saban is winning and EVEN SUCCESSFUL SEC COACHES are being held to the insane standard of winning a national championship this year or next. No margin for error - win a championship next season or your fired."
This doesn't work unless people in Fayetteville and Oxford have crystal balls because Saban only went 6-6 in the regular season.
Fulmer, Tubberville and Croom had 17, 10 and 5 years respectively to deliver. Fulmer delivered exactly one NC and two SEC championships. Tubberville delivered exactly one SEC championship and not much else. The expectations of Croom were even less. He just had to win consistently; he failed, having only one winning season and never having a winning conference record. And when he failed he failed big, only having one season in five with more than 4 wins. Thats a pitiful record for ANY conference.
When lots of good money is paid, lots of good results are expected. Nobody at Alabama expected the Crimson Tide to go 12-0 this year. Most fans would have settled for 8-4 or 7-5 and a respectable bowl bid. By the way, In the same amount of time that Fulmer was the coach at Tennessee, Alabama won a NC, two SECC's and has had two undefeated seasons, all under six different head coaches and six years of probation (without bowl game opportunities)
TigerEducated is right. No coach in his right mind fires his offensive coordinator in the middle of the season. You might take away his power, but you at least wait until the season is over to get rid of him. Tubberville IS and idiot and has no business running a football program. He might have had a winning record at Auburn, but he only had 3 seasons out of 10 with fewer than 3 losses. You can't be in the BCS hunt with more than 2 losses (unless, of course, you're Notre Dame... :-)
So, while it might look to those who don't examine the records that the folks at Tennessee, Auburn and Mississippi State are crazy, what is really happening is that they aren't willing to settle for mediocrity.
Second, who do you think Auburn IS? Forget who they want to be or see themselves as, but who Auburn IS? Do you realize that they were tied with GEORGIA TECH for SEC titles? Not Georgia... Georgia TECH.
Auburn is now a job that every coach should be leery of. The insanity of rich boosters, secret flights, and an AD that has lost control is not a good working environment.
I wasn't arguing about what they are. I know what/who Auburn is. It has always been a second or third tier football school. Personally, I don't see that changing. However, I stand by my statement that they and MS State and Tennessee aren't willing to settle for mediocrity at least not in very recent history. They may never accomplish anything better, buy they sure want to.
However, if you remember, they wimped out before the season started and asked FSU to let them out of their game; AU replaced FSU with "powerhouse" The Citadel instead. Had they played and beaten FSU, no doubt they would have played for the NC. Strength of schedule does mean something.
GO GATORS!!
"...there coming to take me away, ha ha..."
GO GATORS!!
So once again get out facts straight before posting
And we almost caught OU in the final BCS poll. Had Alabama been worth a $hit that year, it would have given us the bump to have played in the title game...
Thanks man-yall deserved a shot - OU beat UT that year 12-0
UT finished 11-1 in 04
much like Colo,Ark and A&M on this years Texas schedule?
All three of those are usually real good opponents
No this year OU its Tenn Chatt and Cinn with the toughest opponents in Norman TTech & TCU- sounds tougher
BTW UT had TTech and TCU at home in 07
Guess yall are pulling for Gators now
I think it'll be a close game but the Gators will win...
That takes talent!
Auburn is a GREAT job!
The point Kevin wanted to make was that GA Tech hasn't been in the SEC in 45 years...
But when you add in Tech's ACC championships (at 50 cents on the dollar compared to SEC crowns) they're exactly even...
Auburn though does have a serious lack of NC for being such a winning school. I don't call it a second tier team it has long long long been considered top tier historically.
We don't count MNCs like Alabama, so we are a bit lacking in that department. We truly got hosed in 1983 and potentially hosed in 2004. I say potentially because we didn't get a chance to play for it...
I've always had a soft spot for AU. Too many great nights to count spent on road trips up there from Tally. I just wish the boosters/admin realized what they are doing to the rep on a very, very public stage.
Just a little fixing-up'en required...
true statement though...
...just like everyone else.
GO GATORS!!
I truly believe, aside from the power-hungry boosters and coordinator issues, that the almost immediate success that Saban has had at Alabama has caused Auburn - along with other SEC schools - to re-evaluate their situations. They saw Tommy Tuberville go 13-0 in his 6th year, and win one SEC Championship. Then they see a guy like Nick Saban come in and have his team in the SEC CG in year 2. They simply realized they weren't satisfied with a guy who won 1 in 10 years, no matter what his overall record is. Meyer and Miles winning it all in their 2nd year doesn't help, either. Is it crazy? Yes. But that's just the reality of it.
School's want championships - and they don't care about the relationships they kill or how much money they spend in order to get them.
Saban's 2008 chapter hasn't been written yet, so let's reserve judgement, but I would agree that so far, so good.
But saying that all of Tubs' troubles are because of Saban is way too convenient. This stuff goes back much further than that. It certainly doesn't help, though...
Yeah, it's premature to say Saban has won anything yet - I just think it's the fact that he had an undefeated regular season in year 2. Although, if we lose the next one, the undefeated season won't really matter anymore...
It's all about the championships...
I kind of agree with the lost it's dang mind theory. Sure every team wants to be great every year, but there are 119 teams and only one can prevail(and sometimes alot of others get shafted, you know about that first hand). I am kind of on the fence with where AU is at right now. You have to really love a program that is proactive and won't accept anyting but championships. I really cannot stand people keeping losing coaches around because he was a "nice guy". Example, Spike Dikes at Texas Tech. (Coach before Leach) On the other hand you wonder if some decision making is a little bit too hasty.
-The BCS is blessed that each conference doesn't have an undefeated team at this point in the year, that is when the cries for a playoff would become cacaphonous-
AU is the 13th all time winningest football program in the history of college ball.
8 AU teams are in the Billingsley top 200 teams of all time list (1869-2006)
Ranked 470 times out of 970 polls with an average rank of 11.11
Ranks 8th over the past 25 years with a 71.7% win percentage (214-83-5)
Two Hiesman Trophy winners (Pat Sullivan-1971 and Bo Jackson-1985)
62 All-Americans
1 Consensus National Title
10 Conference Championships (6 SEC)
Coaches like John Heisman and Shug Jordan (176-83-6) and Pat Dye all of whom are in the College football Hall of Fame
15-12 vs. top 10 opponents since 2000 having won 9 of the last 14
Won 31 of their last 43 SEC games including 15 of last 21 SEC ROAD GAMES
9th among NCAA Schools in current NFL players from the university, and 5th in the SEC only behind Tennessee, Georgia, LSU, and Florida.
If you ask me, that sounds like a much better job right now than some other places. Please correct me if i made a mistake on any of those but I had reliable sources.
:-)
Quite simply, the dollars-and-sense end will bring about a change in the SEC at some point. With Alabama's outright insane salary for Saban, the SEC indeed has been thrown into a tizzy regarding it's coaches. While I can understand the reasons for all 3 being let go, continuous turnover just isn't good for a football program.
One thing to think about - coaches are State Employees. Saban is the highest-paid state employee in the nation, and academic institutions across the country are having to cut costs to simply stay viable.
While I never see Saban's salary being cut like the average hard-working college administrator, there is a problem here.
There is also a problem with the insane expectations of coaches nowadays, a trend that closely mirrors the shrinking attention span of the average American. As we get less and less patient, we give them less and less time.
The good news is that these two trends are heading for a direct collision. While mediocrity is not what any team should consider to be acceptable considering a coach, success will simply have to be re-defined at many programs in the days to come. It's simple Economics. :)
Miles is only paid $300K through the state...and Saban was only paid $250K while was coach at LSU via the state (IE-LSU)....
It's kinda like the fact that the President has exceptionally little to do with the Economy, but the overwhelming majority of people believe that he is intimately involved with it.
Once budget-minded people start getting greater in number as bad economic times start hurting more and more people, disgruntled people will begin multiplying and no one will want to hear the truth.
GO GATORS!!
Nah, TE wouldn't do a negative SEC thread. You know, kinda the same way that Terminators can't self-terminate...