DISQUS

The_Observer · 6 months ago

"Charlie Weis? He took Notre Dame to two BCS Bowls in his first two seasons in South Bend, going 19-6. Nick Saban didn't do that at Alabama, and Saban is 19-8 after two years in Tuscaloosa. You want Weis on the list? Fine, Saban is going with him."

One coach is improving his team, the other is destroying his team. Record alone doesn't tell the whole story. There are trends involved that can shed more light on a record.

Along the same lines, why don't you include Tommy Tuberville's record his last year at Auburn? It wouldn't really be fair would it?

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 6 months ago

Because I didn't write the original article, that's why.

But if we were doing a list of worst one season coaching jobs this century, Tubs' performance last year would be near the top of my list.

But you do have a valid point about Weiss and Saban.

The_Observer · 6 months ago

Oh, sorry then WEA. I thought the article was unusually unbalanced for one of your posts. You always seem to to a good job at keeping the Alabama/Auburn discussion fairly even.

My point with the article still stands though. A record doesn't tell the whole story.

USC1801 · 6 months ago

Yeah, speaking of Weis, chew on this thought:

If you follow the logic of the statement in the article -

"Bill Doba? Sylvester Croom? Come on, these two guys worked miracles to keep the towns of Pullman and Starkville competitive. You don't see many big names lining up to take those jobs."

(i.e., low profile schools have a harder time recruiting and competing, therefore their coaches should be cut some slack)

Then you must also agree that coaches at a high profile university like Notre Dame should produce year after year. Weis has not and therefore should be on the list.

1Tomcat · 6 months ago

Thanks WEA Chizik ? ouch Francione actually has had success @ Pittsburg Kansas,Texas State,TCU- his career as a whole has been purty good
Mike Sherman ??-A&M after one horrible year too early to say-
Bobby Petrino ?? Ditto they beat LSU- do What?
any predictions Arkansas vs Texas A&M ?? somebody has to win- Hogs I guess

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 6 months ago

Come on, Tomcat. Chizik was at IOWA State, where the only expectation was a pulse. He could earn it at Auburn, however, but let's give him some time!

Ramblin' Gator · 6 months ago

Chan Gailey had a reasonably good record at GT, but he never beat UGA and he lost at least 2 games each season that he should have won. Personally, I'd ignore the record and put him on that list.

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 6 months ago

Personally, I'd add Mike Price AND George O'Leary on the list. Both got shamed out the door before they even coached a game. That's pretty bad no matter how good a tactician they are, and I do think that both are pretty decent coaches.

Ramblin' Gator · 6 months ago

Agreed, however...

George O'Leary's record as HC: 78 - 69
George O'Leary's record as HC with Ralph Friedgen as OC: 34 - 14
George O'Leary's record as HC w/o Ralph Friedgen as OC: 44 - 55

(i.e. I'm more impressed by Ralph Friedgen than George O'Leary)

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 6 months ago

Sounds like it's bordering on a BROmance...

:-)

Ramblin' Gator · 6 months ago

I'm gonna need a crowbar to get THAT image out of my head!

1Tomcat · 6 months ago

It was just a little jab, I agree that Chizik hasn't had time at AU and a two year stint at IA St does not improve ones coaching record.
Here are some overall coaching records of some of the men mentioned.
George OLeary 78-69 .53
Mike Price 159-152 .51
Dave Wannstedt .52
Charlie Weiss .58
Houston Nutt .61
Dennis Francione 173-97 .64
Les Miles 70-32 .68
Nick Saban 111=50 .68
Now the real kicker
Bobby Petrino 46-16 .74
Phil Fulmer 152-52 .74
The Ex Tenn coach has one of the best coaching records
Heck even Paul Bryant one of the top of all time .78
All these guys have winning records

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 6 months ago

Far from the point though, Tomcat. They're looking at specific stops and how they did there.

1Tomcat · 6 months ago

WEA I understand- Mack Brown's overall record is not as good as his Texas record .81 @ Texas
Another thing to consider is the number of years coaching
Guys like Weis are just getting started and others have coached hundreds of games

pyle · 6 months ago

Weis lost to Greg Robinson last year. Case closed. BTW, Ty Willingham hung 40+ on Robinson. I'd say Greg Robinson is the worst coach EVER!

Porcine · 6 months ago

Well golly!

fosterkeats · 6 months ago

Chan Gailey was the best 7-5 or 8-4 coach EVER...

And who can forget all the super awesome bowls they went to...

The Smurf Turf of Boise... the baseball stadiums of San Fran & Seattle... the Smurf Turf again... Jackson-vile and a game in the Citrus Bowl 12 days before New Year's...

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 6 months ago

You can't really look at his record as much as the frequent flyer miles accumulated...

yankineaustin · 6 months ago

Mack Brown let Tech win by putting a rookie to cover Crabtree with only seconds to go--Bone head call of the century

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 6 months ago

Can't we blame that one on Muschamp?

OU_Ron · 6 months ago

I'd feel better if we gave the credit to both...

1Tomcat · 6 months ago

Dont feed the trolls

yankineaustin · 6 months ago

Who is the HEAD coach--It kept us out of the BCS

Porcine · 6 months ago

Just what are you yanking in Austin anyway?

OU_Ron · 6 months ago

Texas played in a BCS Bowl and won, not sure what you're talking about...

yankineaustin · 6 months ago

your chain evidently

OU_Ron · 6 months ago

Really hard to believe that you're a true Texan...

1Tomcat · 6 months ago

Probably never been to Austin either
his posts are really stupid
There are no Rookies in CFB- only freshman
Texas did play in a BCS game-the Fiesta
This numskull is probably either an Aggie or a Yankee

OU_Ron · 6 months ago

LMAO

OU_Ron · 6 months ago

reminds me of another guy we know in austin ;-)

1Tomcat · 6 months ago

Ya Thanks Ron We will see what happens next, this drive-by assault is probably looking for some form of reaction-to his ignorant statements.Wonder what happened to BamaR#1 at least his B/S was kinda funny-the whole profile thing etc etc-at least that joker showed some initative into the creation of his character.
This Yankin dude is probably Spanish, because he said bleed orange-burnt instead of bleed burnt orange- I eagerly await his return to our forum
Hookem-Horns

Porcine · 6 months ago

Be careful with it. I didn't know it stretched that far.

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 6 months ago

haha. Point!!!

yankineaustin · 6 months ago

Are you?? my blood is orange--burnt

War_Eagle_Atlanta · 6 months ago

Is that caused by jaundice?

:-)

Zac · 6 months ago

War Eagle, since we're talking about worst coaching jobs, as in over-all careers, howz-about individual games or seasons. Rich Rodriguez may have done a great deal at WVU, but look at his last game against Pitt, and look at his 1st season at MI. I mean, the 2007 Pitt game, in Morgantown, lost him and his team a chance at the National Championship. Though I know he'll have the Wolverines back on track, last year was the 1st time in 34 years MI players witnessed the post season from their living rooms. Not exactly stellar, is it.

1Tomcat · 6 months ago

Go back and watch Franchione's last two games against Nebraska & Oklahoma both shoulda went the other way- poor clock management+ feild goals on 4th down
3+3+3=9 7+3=10 purty simple math poor Aggies

Zac · 6 months ago

Speaking of poor clock management, how about WVU's, Bill Stewart, last year against Colorado. With the game tied and just over a minute to play, WVU had the ball, 3 time outs and were on their own 42. Somehow they ran out of time trying to get into FG range. It wasn't a question of not making the plays. Somehow they ran out of time between plays; as in didn't call the time outs when they needed to; lost the game in OT. Go figure.

fosterkeats · 6 months ago

And to think what could have been if Bobby Bowden had gone to Bama in the '86...

Many, MANY thanks to Walter Lewis for calling Bowden a "racist" during his interview... (the story goes than Bowden was asked by Lewis if he would play a black QB over a white QB if they were equally talented, Bowden refused to answer, Lewis called him a racist, Bowden got up and walked out)...

We were saved multiple years of 10 win seasons and top 5 finishes... along with the probation and dozens of half-wit thugs getting arrested and not going to class and getting us on probation... wait, that last part happened anyway...

Zac · 6 months ago

Following a 4-7 season, a number of students protested against Bowden's continued employment at WVU. The following year they went 9-3, including a win against NC St in the Peach Bowl. That's when Bowden booked for FSU. He neither liked the contract nor WVU's commitment to his team. Trust me, Foster, I feel your pain.

PittsburghTiger · 6 months ago

Didn't Butch Davis coach a program coming out of probation?

Zac, you have a good point