Wow what a crazy division...and at the end of the day a great football team is left out. It's unfortunate that there can't be a conference championship game with OU and Texas.
gohorns1012
· 1 year ago
that would be cool, glad to see a sensible sooner fan.
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
Perhaps form a new conference, Big 2, Little 10? Obviously, since the north sucks this year, they should forfeit their representative and let OU an UT play it again, in KC...
And while we're at it, let's just pencil in the winner of Michigan/Ohio State as the Big 10(11) champ...
We'll play ours out in the SEC, thanks!
1Tomcat
· 1 year ago
That Game has already been played- Texas already beat OU OU will beat Missu go to the MNC and lose to Fla/Bama Texas will win their bowl and the title will be split with Fla/Bama holding the crystal ball Hookem Horns The real XII champ
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
BTW--good thread, Ben. Even more relevant, considering the latest poll two hours ago...
Hook'em
· 1 year ago
Wow - what a dissappointment. Texas, not OU should have the opportunity for another Nat'l Championship. Who cares about Tech. The top two teams in the BCS should have the head-to-head tie breaker for the big 12 title game, like the ACC and SEC. If the winner of the Red River Shootout has the same record as the loser at the end of reg season, the loser should NOT be in the big 12 championship. OU barley won the bedlam game, regardless of the 20pt spread he keeps bringin up. A win is a win, a loss is a loss. Stoops just had to get the 20 spot with 30 seconds left b/c he new it would look better. GO Mizzou and FL. :)
NMLSooner
· 1 year ago
Maybe it should be UT, but the head-to-head argument is an insult to TT. But it is obvious from your comment about TT you are not concerned about that. The ACC & SEC tiebreaker is better? Maybe, but if the roles were reversed would you say that. If OU loses that "close" game against OSU, UT is not the Big XII champ. If a win is a win and a loss is a loss then TT losing by 44 is irrelivent and they have just as much say as OU & UT. Also why does it matter if they barely won if a win is a win. And on scoring at the end of the game, it was a run between the tackles!
OU_Fan
· 1 year ago
Stoops did nothing. Chris Brown was the back that ran it in for that last minute touchdown. What was Brown supposed to do, run the ball to the one yard line and take a knee instead of scoring six points? Give me a break. How long was Colt McCoy in the game against unranked A&M??
Jason
· 1 year ago
Yea, Okie State called timeout. Taking a knee wasn't an option. They needed a first down and got a 30 yard rushing touchdown.
raider_nation96
· 1 year ago
So by this rationale, the Horns will rescind their offer to the BCS National Championship game provided Missouri wins the Big 12 Championship Game? After all a win is a win and a loss is a loss. (And you lost to Texas Tech)
Kevin @ Fanblogs
· 1 year ago
I don't have an issue with the tie-breakers for any conference, provided that they are clearly explained before the season and all tams play under the same system. If everybody is subject to the same system within a conference, then it's a "fair" system. You can critique them, but you can't question whether they are fair.
Porcine
· 1 year ago
Despite being picked to finish last we finish fourth in the west, yay.
raider_nation96
· 1 year ago
Covienent to say who cares about Texas Tech, but you lost to us. Onward to stupid Longhorn comment #2 "a win is a win, a loss is a loss". I just love that one. If it were true the Red Raiders could not be dismissed from this discussion. It is this type of subjective crap that put you burnt orange wearin "age of entitlement" jokers where you are, #3 and on the outside lookin in. Get your Chase Daniel jerseys out, and good luck with that. Congrats to OU, but we need a better way to settle this mess and Texas blogger logic certainly is not the way. Thank God! Kevin, you gotta do something about these hip shooters out here. Told you Texas fans there was no good outcome from Bedlam for you.
45-35. 39-33. 65-21. (As if these scores are somehow sentences) If you took OSU as an agreed next best opponent on all our schedules its an interesting study. Wreck em!
1Tomcat
· 1 year ago
Texas Tech should play Missu in the XII chump game and the winner crowned #3 in the XII behind UT #1 and OU #2 But that would not be fair to OK st and KU who both beat Missu making the North Champion #6 in the XII Now doesn't that make sense
PubClub
· 1 year ago
Why not just have a ranking provision that allows for Oklahoma and Texas to play each other in the title game? What's the point of either playing a three-loss team? I'm not much for rematches but it makes sense for OU and Texas to meet again on the field.
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
Do your parents know you are up this late and commenting on our site?
BurntOrange
· 1 year ago
I'm new to this blog, but if you bright people looked at ANY other conference's tiebreak rules, Texas would go to Big 12 title game. It's a flukey deal all around. But I'd still rather be a Longhorn 365 than any other! Hook 'em Horns!
Adam C
· 1 year ago
Problem with dropping the lowest of a three way tie: It gives a weird incentive in some games. For example, OU would have an incentive to not beat T-Tech so soundly. They would want to beat T-Tech but would not want T-Tech to drop so far. That sounds really odd. So because OU won really big, they would knock T-Tech out of the tie-breaker and then lose to UT.
I think a three way tie has to include all three teams however you decide it. You can use total margin of victory in the head-to-head games. You can use common opponents. You can use BCS rankings. But it creates bad incentives to drop one of three tied teams.
bevolikesheadtohead
· 1 year ago
How would you feel if your a Texas and you beat both teams in the big 12 championship game? Then if ou wins the National Championship Game which is highly unlikely, their only loss was to Texas. Let's not forget we lost in the last second to Texas Tech in Lubbock, I will admit that. Then oklahoma killed Texas Tech at home. Texas Tech is not even in the discussion based on barely beating Nebraska in overtime at home and barely beating baylor at home. As far as an agrument for USC, well there is none they play in the worst conference out of the 6 major conferences or maybe the 2nd to the big 10. Yeah you have a good defence because you horrible teams in the pac 10. Let's all remember what happened in 2005 in California at USC home away from home. The sec and big 12 are by far the best conferences in the nation, just take a look at the polls.
raider_nation96
· 1 year ago
How would you feel about the possibility of the BCS National Championship Game showcasing a team you beat and the team that got beat by Ole Miss?! (We also have a similar 1-loss season I might add, different if we have 2 or 3 losses obviously) Ole Miss is a team which we will likely beat in the Cotton Bowl. Answer that one for me! Don't bring in head to head if there is a three way tie, you know it doesnt work.
These scenarios leave Texas Tech out in more cases than not this year, but Big 12 needs to shore up some problems with Championship Game and tie-breakers. Margin of victory (whether between teams tied or the margin of victory of next best common opponent), total time team(s) lead in 3-way tie games, etc...etc...etc... Lastly, get rid of the North vs South championship game, get the 2 best teams in there.
Best case, get the damn playoff instated!!!! It's good enough for the FCS! Plenty of money out there bowl committees, do the right thing!
Wreck "em Tech!
NMLSooner
· 1 year ago
If TT barely beating Neb & Baylor at home hurts TT, why doesn't UT losing at TT hurt UT? If TT is so bad at home, why would UT lose to them there? There are arguments for all three teams and when you go to the fifth tiebreaker, two teams are getting short sticks. There is no way around it. If OU would not have ended up on the good end of this, I would not have been upset and that is not because I think UT or TT was more deserving.
FanoftheGame
· 1 year ago
The BCS has proven over and over again every year that it is a failed system. For any conference to use the BCS system to determine a conference champion is simply assinine. The purpose in settling a tie between teams is to select which team should advance through the fairest process possible. Tell me again how using a failed system equates to being a fair system for everyone involved. In my own opinion, OU is the better team..but the process that was used to determine that is ludicrous. Perhaps a better solution would be to do away with the North and South Divisions of the Big 12 and play it out like the Big10 does, with one exception. At the end of the regular season, the 2 highesst ranked teams in the AP and Coaches polls should play for the Big 12 title. Using this logic, we would have OU vs UT in the Big 12 Championship game.
Jason
· 1 year ago
When have the AP & the Coaches poll ever been logical? OU beat the #12 team in the country, on the road, and dropped 2 spots. Is beating A&M and Florida State that much more impressive?
Your solution (and the SEC solution for that matter) ignores the fact that Texas Tech beat Texas and makes the three-way tie irrelevant.
FanoftheGame
· 1 year ago
I agree that the AP and Coaches Polls aren't always logical, but at least we take the computer bs out fo the equation. Also, it would be ridiculous to think that having a 3 team playoff to decide the South Div. Champion would work. Like I said before, the system that is being used now is assinine, but I think it did put the right team in the Big 12 Title game(from the South). Unfortunately, the North doesn't have any tem that can compete with the top 4 teams in the South. A playoff system would at least get all 3 South Div. Big 12 schools in with an opportunity to win it all. I'm not ignoring the fact that TT beat UT. On the contrary, it was that loss that put UT in this position to begin with. However, TT barely scraped by with wins over OSU and Baylor, while getting blown out of the stadium against OU in a game that the Red Raiders were not even competitive. While I still give them credit for their win over Texas, there is no logical reasoning that would lead anyone to believe that they are as ggod as OU. As well, there are several logical ways to compare UT and OU when making a case for either of those teams to represent the South in the Big 12. Much in the same way you look at quality wins, you might try to consider quality losses as well. TT's loss to OU can in no way, shape or form appear as a quality loss.
grover
· 1 year ago
If I remember right a few years back there was going to be a 3 way tie for the SEC east with Tennessee, Georgia and Fla, just like this year in the Big 12 south. Their final tiebreaker was a vote of the other 9 ADs in the conference. They were all scared to vote, so they got together mid November and changed the rule to best BCS standings. The reason they added the 5 places head to head component (someone help me out here) was because one of the teams had a non-conference loss and therefore was significantly different in ranking than the other 2 teams. The idea of head to head of the top 2 of 3 is every bit as bad an idea as the top BCS standing of the 3. The BCS was not designed to pick winners in conferences. It was designed for the sole purpose of matching the #1 and #2 teams in a bowl game at the end of a season. The Big 12, SEC and ACC should all remove BCS as a tiebreaker. Personally I'd like to see a rule the team that has had the longest drought in going to the conference champ game gets the nod (would have been Tech). The way they have been eliminated from this discussion is the worst part of this system. Tech is the biggest loser here, followed by OK. Texas actually gains the most from this by being deserving and left out. It is sort of like Auburn 2004 - you get respect when people think you are slighted improperly.
hrposon
· 1 year ago
Mike Leach, ever the genius, came up with the idea that the team with the highest graduation rate is the tie breaker. Not a bad idea...
Regan
· 1 year ago
I always liked the idea of "a three-man sack race will be held on consecutive Sundays until a winner emerges."...
All Comments
And while we're at it, let's just pencil in the winner of Michigan/Ohio State as the Big 10(11) champ...
We'll play ours out in the SEC, thanks!
OU will beat Missu go to the MNC and lose to Fla/Bama
Texas will win their bowl and the title will be split with Fla/Bama holding the crystal ball
Hookem Horns The real XII champ
45-35. 39-33. 65-21. (As if these scores are somehow sentences) If you took OSU as an agreed next best opponent on all our schedules its an interesting study. Wreck em!
I think a three way tie has to include all three teams however you decide it. You can use total margin of victory in the head-to-head games. You can use common opponents. You can use BCS rankings. But it creates bad incentives to drop one of three tied teams.
These scenarios leave Texas Tech out in more cases than not this year, but Big 12 needs to shore up some problems with Championship Game and tie-breakers. Margin of victory (whether between teams tied or the margin of victory of next best common opponent), total time team(s) lead in 3-way tie games, etc...etc...etc... Lastly, get rid of the North vs South championship game, get the 2 best teams in there.
Best case, get the damn playoff instated!!!! It's good enough for the FCS! Plenty of money out there bowl committees, do the right thing!
Wreck "em Tech!
In my own opinion, OU is the better team..but the process that was used to determine that is ludicrous. Perhaps a better solution would be to do away with the North and South Divisions of the Big 12 and play it out like the Big10 does, with one exception. At the end of the regular season, the 2 highesst ranked teams in the AP and Coaches polls should play for the Big 12 title. Using this logic, we would have OU vs UT in the Big 12 Championship game.
Your solution (and the SEC solution for that matter) ignores the fact that Texas Tech beat Texas and makes the three-way tie irrelevant.
would lead anyone to believe that they are as ggod as OU. As well, there are several logical ways to compare UT and OU when making a case for either of those teams to represent the South in the Big 12. Much in the same way you look at quality wins, you might try to consider quality losses as well. TT's loss to OU can in no way, shape or form appear as a quality loss.
The BCS was not designed to pick winners in conferences. It was designed for the sole purpose of matching the #1 and #2 teams in a bowl game at the end of a season. The Big 12, SEC and ACC should all remove BCS as a tiebreaker. Personally I'd like to see a rule the team that has had the longest drought in going to the conference champ game gets the nod (would have been Tech). The way they have been eliminated from this discussion is the worst part of this system. Tech is the biggest loser here, followed by OK. Texas actually gains the most from this by being deserving and left out. It is sort of like Auburn 2004 - you get respect when people think you are slighted improperly.