We've been to and lost more than most teams have even been to......not sure that sounds right......anyway, I know what I mean....
1Tomcat
· 6 months ago
Ben I see a couple of corrections to be made in your thread Texas Rose,Rose,Fiesta Ohio St Sugar,Feista,(NCG)(Fiesta) USC Orange,(Rose),Rose Thanks
Ben Prather
· 6 months ago
I did not include multiple trips, only which games they had been to at any time.
Other wise I'd have stuff like:
USC: Orange, Rose, Orange, (Rose), Rose, Rose, Rose
1Tomcat
· 6 months ago
I understand, Ben thanks
Zac
· 6 months ago
Other than the 3 BCS games won by the Canes, nobody has won more than 2. Well, it may not be a National Championship, but it's still decent company to be in for WVU.
1Tomcat
· 6 months ago
I know that Texas has apeared in 3 BCS games and won 3 BCS games USC has apeared in 7 and won 5 BCS games
Ben Prather
· 6 months ago
Ya'll are missing the word -- different --. This makes a very significant qualification.
Zac
· 6 months ago
OOPS! Make that no more than 2 "Different"... Sorry, TC; I shoulda node better.
Regan
· 6 months ago
Not. A. Chance. In. Hell.
The Rose Bowl would have no part of that. They already feel they have given up far more than anyone else could ever ask by joining the BCS to begin with, in allowing for non-Big Ten-Pac-10 teams to play every four years.
Occasionally, the RB has picked non-traditional teams to play in recent BCS years when they could have gone traditional, but to think that the Rose Bowl will EVER embrace a matchup without EITHER a Big Ten or Pac-10 team outside of an NC Game is...unlikely.
Then throwing in the notion of two non-BCS teams? Even BSU and UTAH? I'll stick with...unlikely. Okay...snowball unlikely...
I just don't see it. I'd like to get the ACC or SEC a piece of Rose Bowl action occasionally, but I just REALLY don't see it...
Ben Prather
· 6 months ago
The comma between Utah and Boise State is more of and or than an and.
The idea is that if USC goes to the title game we could get Utah or Boise State to replace them rather than the #2 PAC 10 team. Same for the Big 10.
We are talking games like USC vs Boise State or Utah vs Penn State.
Recently the PAC 10 and Big 10 have had close calls getting a second team eligible when there champion goes to the national title game and the MWC/Boise State have consistently produced a team ranked higher than the #2 team from either conference.
If the contract obligates them to take one I would be surprised. If that is the case I am not sure the Rose Bowl would have looked at the possibility of a one loss MWC team getting the nod. Then again, they may have and considered what a two loss TCU looks like.
As for two at-large conference members getting in, I think the odds are about the same as not having any. It is all about the conference distribution in the top 14. The 6 automatic berths reduce the total of 10 slots to 4 at-large slots. Often one of these is not in the top 14. I would expect one at-large conference to be in the top 14, earning an automatic spot. This leaves 3 spots for the 8 remaining top 14 teams.
If Notre Dame is present end of story, they are in. #2 at-large is out. If one or two at-large teams fill these spots then that leaves 6 or 7 spots for BCS teams. The Big 12 and SEC have the ability to field the 4-5 top 15 teams needed to block out the other 4 BCS conferences.
Picture 2008 with Ohio State losing an additional game to anyone but Michigan State.
Regan
· 6 months ago
Gotcha...once again the comma has foiled my diabolical plans...
As far as the Rose Bowl's choices go, the history has been: 1999: WISC/UCLA 2000: WISC/STAN 2001: WASH/PUR 2002: MIA/NEB (NCG)** 2003: OU/WSU* (The Orange Chose SCAL; Big Ten #1 OHST went to the Fiesta (NCG)) 2004: SCAL/MICH 2005: TEX/MICH* (SCAL had the Pac-10's BCS Berth in the Orange (NCG)) 2006: TEX/SCAL* (NCG)** 2007: SCAL/MICH 2008: SCAL/ILL 2009: SCAL/PSU
The Rose has bent over backwards to ensure a Big Ten-Pac-10 matchup. The only non-NCG exceptions were 2003 and 2005, and there were extenuating circumstances in both. The strongest example of the Rose's desire to have the "traditional" matchup is 2008, when they pitted SCAL vs. a 3-loss ILL just to satisfy the point.
The Rose Bowl doesn't see itself as 'another Bowl game'; it will go for tradition first, and huge-caliber matchups with 'traditional powers' as a fall-back.
That isn't likely to include any MWC, WAC, or frankly ACC or Big East teams (save maybe MIA or FSU).
I don't like it, but (IMHO) I think that's the way it is. This one I'd love to be wrong on, however...
Ben Prather
· 6 months ago
You correctly state the public opinion of the Rose bowl for the past decade.
I remember back this December hearing that the Rose Bowl was open to considering the value of inviting a team like Utah or Boise State, strongly implying that it would be in a case where no PAC 10 or Big 10 team was available for one of the slots.
It's an odd stat, but something to be proud of for the 13 schools included nonetheless.
Ben Prather
· 6 months ago
You can have your super regional, I'll take our BCS bowl.
Clemson_Joe
· 6 months ago
Hmmm... that wasn't really meant to be a competition, but ok.
Clemson_Joe
· 6 months ago
By the way, there's a great thread topic floating around out there right now, in my opinion.
Joe Paterno's comments on the Big Televen's potential expansion have prompted SI to write an article about it, and ESPN to discuss it a few times on TV.
How does this work? Do I need to submit a write up on it?
OU_Ron
· 6 months ago
CJ, if you want to write a thread on it...do so and send it to WEA or Kevin
Ben Prather
· 6 months ago
WEA is the best bet now. TE and myself have the ability, especially if it is already written.
OU_Ron
· 6 months ago
Didn't mean to leave you out Ben, WEA had made the offer on another post..
Clemson_Joe
· 6 months ago
Thanks for the heads up. I threw something together and sent it over to WEA. I guess now we'll see what happens.
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 6 months ago
And so it is done!
Clemson_Joe
· 6 months ago
Thanks, man!
1Tomcat
· 6 months ago
Since TE is such a big JoePa fan he should probably author the thread
OU_Ron
· 6 months ago
LOL, TE's two favorite subjects.......Alabama and JoePa
1Tomcat
· 6 months ago
Ya you got that right Ron Ole TE loves Alabama & Joe Paterno He's plum suck-_ss when it comes to Joe Pa and that boy is probably kin to Bama R#1 I'm laughing real hard right now-Thanks Ron
GeauxTigers0107
· 6 months ago
Didn't know that Clem.....thx. And g/l in the supers. We got Rice coming to town again so it won't be easy but it never is when you get to the SR's.
While we're on it, explain how we're the concensus #1 team in the country and Texas is the #1 overall tournament seed. Never understood that. Not that it matters, I guess.
Geaux Tigers BEAT RICE
Clemson_Joe
· 6 months ago
I watched your game against Rice last night while pregaming before the bars. It was a good game, and you guys have a very good squad.
As for us I honestly think our season will end in Tempe. As you said every SR is difficult, and we have to go all the way across the country for ours. ASU has a killer pitching staff, and hitting hasn't been great for us lately. I'm hoping like hell that I'm wrong, but I'm not expecting to be wrong on this one.
I never really pay attention to baseball polls too much. It seems like there's 8 of them and they're all different. Usually I just look at RPI to figure out who the good teams are. Although, there are no bad teams in the final 16. Why is it that Cal State Fullerton always seems to have a cakewalk to Omaha?
GeauxTigers0107
· 5 months ago
Thought about you last night when I was watching Clemson play. You're right about ASU's pitching...dudes are tough. Was pulling for y'all but it didn't work out. Why the hell would they put y'all in a Super that far away? Doesn't make sense but actually par for the course when it comes to the NCAA.
And you're right about the polls. I'm still trying to figure which one is relevant. And Cal St? That's the million dollar question. Wish I knew that one myself.
Oh well, we get Virginia up next. Got my fingers crossed.
Geaux Tigers Geaux SEC
Clemson_Joe
· 5 months ago
Yeah, ASU has some fantastic pitching. Their hitting didn't look too bad against us either. They look like they'll be able to contend with UNC, Virginia, LSU, and Texas for the title. Sorry, but I just really don't see anyone outside of those 5 winning it all this year.
College baseball is screwy man. I think you're trying too hard to make sense of all of the polls. Just ignore them and know that in the ACC and SEC, if they have a good conference record, they've got a good team. Of course, this is all coming from someone who doesn't even really like baseball to be honest.
Good luck again to your boys though. I really do see them having a legitimate shot to win it all this season.
GeauxTigers0107
· 5 months ago
Man Texas has been just getting by too. I think their final game is tonight vs TCU. Series tied.
Thx btw. Pitchung really improved over last years Omaha team. Same guys, more experience. They're hitting the ball all over the place too. The Dr who just did my rotator cuff surgery is in LSU's dugout every game. He's the team Orth Surg. Gotta go see him Tuesday. Gonna try and talk him into stowing me away in the bus somewhere...lol. At least get him to bring back a momento.
Geaux Tigers OMAHA BOUND
vtmechE
· 6 months ago
Virginia Tech: Orange, Sugar (Orange, Sugar)
vtmechE
· 6 months ago
correction, thats 2 sugar losses, i still have fond memories of that '95 win over texas, i was only 8, and i fell in love with the hokies that day, my older brother was attending VT at the time
fosterkeats
· 6 months ago
That was the Sugar Bowl when Texas found out their starting cornerback was 30yrs old...
"The biggest off-the-field incident was revealed on the final weekend before the Sugar Bowl. Texas reserve defensive back Ron McKelvey was revealed to be using an assumed name. In reality, he was a 30-year-old man named Ron Weaver who had played for a junior-college team and a small-college team under other assumed names. Weaver disappeared prior to the Sugar Bowl, but stated that he had used the assumed name in order to gather information for a book about the inner workings of Texas football. Weaver later pleaded guilty to a felony charge of misusing Social Security numbers, but avoided jail and paid no fine. Texas was not sanctioned by the NCAA, but Longhorns players later said the event was a severe distraction from pre-game preparations..."
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 6 months ago
When did this happen? I had never heard of it, but using ringers and such was common place back in the old days...
fosterkeats
· 6 months ago
1995 Sugar Bowl, VT vs Tejas, it was actually played 12/31/95
We care about Boise and Utah. The tv watching nation has probably never heard of either one. It will not happen, Nielsen says, "unh unh, ain't gonna happen".
4cornerz
· 6 months ago
I can not see BSU or Utah playing in the Rose Bowl if a Pac and/or Big 10 school plays in NCG. I could see the Rose bowl going after Big 12 or SEC school who fans travel well, instead of BSU or Utah I.E. Texas or Alabama or Florida or Texas A & M, or Oklahoma. I could see the Rose bowl picking West Virginia over BSU or Utah.
All Comments
Texas Rose,Rose,Fiesta
Ohio St Sugar,Feista,(NCG)(Fiesta)
USC Orange,(Rose),Rose
Thanks
Other wise I'd have stuff like:
USC: Orange, Rose, Orange, (Rose), Rose, Rose, Rose
USC has apeared in 7 and won 5 BCS games
The Rose Bowl would have no part of that. They already feel they have given up far more than anyone else could ever ask by joining the BCS to begin with, in allowing for non-Big Ten-Pac-10 teams to play every four years.
Occasionally, the RB has picked non-traditional teams to play in recent BCS years when they could have gone traditional, but to think that the Rose Bowl will EVER embrace a matchup without EITHER a Big Ten or Pac-10 team outside of an NC Game is...unlikely.
Then throwing in the notion of two non-BCS teams? Even BSU and UTAH? I'll stick with...unlikely. Okay...snowball unlikely...
I just don't see it. I'd like to get the ACC or SEC a piece of Rose Bowl action occasionally, but I just REALLY don't see it...
The idea is that if USC goes to the title game we could get Utah or Boise State to replace them rather than the #2 PAC 10 team. Same for the Big 10.
We are talking games like USC vs Boise State or Utah vs Penn State.
Recently the PAC 10 and Big 10 have had close calls getting a second team eligible when there champion goes to the national title game and the MWC/Boise State have consistently produced a team ranked higher than the #2 team from either conference.
If the contract obligates them to take one I would be surprised. If that is the case I am not sure the Rose Bowl would have looked at the possibility of a one loss MWC team getting the nod. Then again, they may have and considered what a two loss TCU looks like.
As for two at-large conference members getting in, I think the odds are about the same as not having any. It is all about the conference distribution in the top 14. The 6 automatic berths reduce the total of 10 slots to 4 at-large slots. Often one of these is not in the top 14. I would expect one at-large conference to be in the top 14, earning an automatic spot. This leaves 3 spots for the 8 remaining top 14 teams.
If Notre Dame is present end of story, they are in. #2 at-large is out.
If one or two at-large teams fill these spots then that leaves 6 or 7 spots for BCS teams. The Big 12 and SEC have the ability to field the 4-5 top 15 teams needed to block out the other 4 BCS conferences.
Picture 2008 with Ohio State losing an additional game to anyone but Michigan State.
As far as the Rose Bowl's choices go, the history has been:
1999: WISC/UCLA
2000: WISC/STAN
2001: WASH/PUR
2002: MIA/NEB (NCG)**
2003: OU/WSU* (The Orange Chose SCAL; Big Ten #1 OHST went to the Fiesta (NCG))
2004: SCAL/MICH
2005: TEX/MICH* (SCAL had the Pac-10's BCS Berth in the Orange (NCG))
2006: TEX/SCAL* (NCG)**
2007: SCAL/MICH
2008: SCAL/ILL
2009: SCAL/PSU
The Rose has bent over backwards to ensure a Big Ten-Pac-10 matchup. The only non-NCG exceptions were 2003 and 2005, and there were extenuating circumstances in both. The strongest example of the Rose's desire to have the "traditional" matchup is 2008, when they pitted SCAL vs. a 3-loss ILL just to satisfy the point.
The Rose Bowl doesn't see itself as 'another Bowl game'; it will go for tradition first, and huge-caliber matchups with 'traditional powers' as a fall-back.
That isn't likely to include any MWC, WAC, or frankly ACC or Big East teams (save maybe MIA or FSU).
I don't like it, but (IMHO) I think that's the way it is. This one I'd love to be wrong on, however...
I remember back this December hearing that the Rose Bowl was open to considering the value of inviting a team like Utah or Boise State, strongly implying that it would be in a case where no PAC 10 or Big 10 team was available for one of the slots.
It's an odd stat, but something to be proud of for the 13 schools included nonetheless.
Joe Paterno's comments on the Big Televen's potential expansion have prompted SI to write an article about it, and ESPN to discuss it a few times on TV.
How does this work? Do I need to submit a write up on it?
Ole TE loves Alabama & Joe Paterno
He's plum suck-_ss when it comes to Joe Pa
and that boy is probably kin to Bama R#1
I'm laughing real hard right now-Thanks Ron
While we're on it, explain how we're the concensus #1 team in the country and Texas is the #1 overall tournament seed. Never understood that. Not that it matters, I guess.
Geaux Tigers
BEAT RICE
As for us I honestly think our season will end in Tempe. As you said every SR is difficult, and we have to go all the way across the country for ours. ASU has a killer pitching staff, and hitting hasn't been great for us lately. I'm hoping like hell that I'm wrong, but I'm not expecting to be wrong on this one.
I never really pay attention to baseball polls too much. It seems like there's 8 of them and they're all different. Usually I just look at RPI to figure out who the good teams are. Although, there are no bad teams in the final 16. Why is it that Cal State Fullerton always seems to have a cakewalk to Omaha?
And you're right about the polls. I'm still trying to figure which one is relevant. And Cal St? That's the million dollar question. Wish I knew that one myself.
Oh well, we get Virginia up next. Got my fingers crossed.
Geaux Tigers
Geaux SEC
College baseball is screwy man. I think you're trying too hard to make sense of all of the polls. Just ignore them and know that in the ACC and SEC, if they have a good conference record, they've got a good team. Of course, this is all coming from someone who doesn't even really like baseball to be honest.
Good luck again to your boys though. I really do see them having a legitimate shot to win it all this season.
Thx btw. Pitchung really improved over last years Omaha team. Same guys, more experience. They're hitting the ball all over the place too. The Dr who just did my rotator cuff surgery is in LSU's dugout every game. He's the team Orth Surg. Gotta go see him Tuesday. Gonna try and talk him into stowing me away in the bus somewhere...lol. At least get him to bring back a momento.
Geaux Tigers
OMAHA BOUND
"The biggest off-the-field incident was revealed on the final weekend before the Sugar Bowl. Texas reserve defensive back Ron McKelvey was revealed to be using an assumed name. In reality, he was a 30-year-old man named Ron Weaver who had played for a junior-college team and a small-college team under other assumed names. Weaver disappeared prior to the Sugar Bowl, but stated that he had used the assumed name in order to gather information for a book about the inner workings of Texas football. Weaver later pleaded guilty to a felony charge of misusing Social Security numbers, but avoided jail and paid no fine. Texas was not sanctioned by the NCAA, but Longhorns players later said the event was a severe distraction from pre-game preparations..."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_Sugar_Bowl_(D...)