Fanblogs.com: What are the college football graduation rates?
Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
9 ACC squads in the top 25 (far more than anyone else), further reinforcing the emphasis where it needs to be. It is a bit surprising to see that Virginia, NC State, and Georgia Tech are not in the top 25, and especially to see GT so low. You mean to tell me that those football players can't cut it in engineering classes? No, that can't be...
Anyway, good job, ACC. Way to continue actually proving that the ACC's academic standards are where they should be: above everyone else's.
USC1801
· 1 year ago
Consider this - if the cost of education is the number one reason for a low retention rate, why is it that a large percentage of athletes on scholarhips fail to graduate?
Frankly, I despise Notre Dame football, consider Vandy's program a doormat, and feel sorry for Duke's football team BUT when it comes to the important issues, I am ashamed the vast majority of universities cannot meet their standards of academics. Perhaps the reason for their success in the classroom can be traced back to an emphasis on recruiting academically motivated student/athletes.
I tip my hat to the ACC and those schools graduating athletes at an 80% or greater rate.
(Too bad these ratings aren't factored into a National Champion.)
HARTZ89
· 1 year ago
ah but don't forget a few of the Top 10 are in the running!
JaredIsKing
· 1 year ago
I don't know that I would use football grad rates as indicators of the school and conference academic standards. If that was so, you would see schools like Cal, UCLA, Michigan, Tex and UVA much higher on the list and schools like <enter SEC school here> much lower.
Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
Yeah, I'd use the tier 1 academic rankings. In that, the ACC and Big Televen are the ONLY 2 conferences that all of their members reside. High graduation rates are good to have too, especially when you consider that the vast majority of these players never play pro ball on any level.
GeauxTigers0107
· 1 year ago
I would look at that another way. Is it our fault if we're busy sending guys to the NFL on a regular basis? That has to factor into the equation of grad rates, like it or not.
I'll settle with having a bunch of degree-less athletes that are making millions doing something they love....playing a game. Honestly....what would you do given the chance? Stay and graduate? Or opt out early for the draft with major greenbacks on the table?
There.....that oughta rile up the natives.
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Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
Even though LSU sends a lot of players to the NFL, most go after their 4th year, and there is no excuse for not having a degree, especially with the majors that they have. The percentage of the total players on a team that go early in the draft might be 2%.
GeauxTigers0107
· 1 year ago
Said the guy who's team is in the conference that leads the grad rates...lol. Point taken. Now kindly answer my scenario below. If it were your child, and the draft were a lock, what would be the advice?
PS: don't slip up in the Pick 'Em. I'm catching you and OU_Ron ;-)
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Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
Actually, I didn't get much time with the pick'em. I really need to review my picks for later in the day ASAP.
If he were going to be a 1-3 round pick, I would tell him to go pro in a heartbeat, UNLESS, he could potentially improve his draft stock and graduate all at the same time.
GeauxTigers0107
· 1 year ago
Uhhhh, scratch my previous comment about catching you guys. I missed the first 6 games so far....lol. Oh well, it's gonna be between you and Owho_Ron.
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Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
I'm pretty sure this is going to be a dropped score week for me. My picks look like I tried to pick the losers.
Ok, so lesson learned. I cannot take it lightly and expect to do well. I need to put in my due diligence again next week.
1Tomcat
· 1 year ago
Geaux Tigers0107 According to Texas Monthly Magazine Nov 08 edition UT-Austin is a top-rated school U.S. News and World Report 2009 list ranked it 15th out of 68 public universities-There are no special majors for atheletes, as there have been at Auburn and Michigan. Widely circulated NCAA data showing abysmal graduation rates for UT atheletes last in the Big 12 were simply inaccurate. 88 % of all Longhorn atheletes who complete their NCAA eligibility graduate. That compares with a campus-wide rate of 75%. For the 2006-2007 year the football team led the Big12, with 40 players earning 3.0 average or better.The basketball team had a perfect score this year and all of its players remained eligible and on track to graduate.{ the team as a whole had a 3.3 GPA.
Cougs4Life
· 1 year ago
Not that I'm a SEC backer...I'm a west-coast guy...GeauxTigers0107 has a point.. There is a lot of guys in the NFL from the SEC. GT I'd take the money and play the sport I love while I can. That window of opportunity doesn't last forever. Once I had the big contract I'd make wise investements and never look back...no matter what school I was attending. Go Cougs!
hrposon
· 1 year ago
Kudos to the top 6. All over 90%. I believe their results. As for the rest, you'll have to take a closer look at the data. How many go pro before graduating? How many can give change for a dollar? How many wind up in jail so they can't graduate? How many take ''Underwater Basket Weaving'' for credit? Anyone remember Dexter Manley?
GeauxTigers0107
· 1 year ago
Better yet......if it were your kid, what would be the advice you'de give them? "No son, stay and get your education. I realize they want to draft you, but your degree is more important." If my son ever gets that chance, and being drafted is a lock, I would encourage him to follow his heart first and foremost. But you don't ever want to live a life of "what if's". Give it a shot. If it doesn't work out, come back and finish your education.
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USC1801
· 1 year ago
GTiger:
The percentage of athletes who actually make the NFL is very small, so I'd say your case study is limited in it's scope. I also have a problem with advice that makes decisions based on the Almighty Dollar instead of principle. If a school offers my son a 4 yr. scholarship, I'd expect him to fulfill his obligation and graduate. I would much prefer he have integrity than money EVEN IF EVERYONE ELSE IS DOING IT DIFFERENTLY.
GeauxTigers0107
· 1 year ago
I understand your thinking and agree with the integrity issue.......BUT.......if my son were offered 10 mill signing bonus and 30 mill over 4 years, I simply do not see a chance in hell of him passing it up OR me having a problem with him doing so. Even though this would appear to be based on the Almighty Dollar, as you put it, to me, it's totally based on my kids well being.....a career choice. After all, doesn't getting a degree have everything in the world to do with the Almighty Dollar?? Get your degree, get a good paying white collar job, 2.3 kids, white picket fence....the whole nine yards, right? What difference does it make if the paths taken are different, so long as the end result is the same? Just to say he's got a degree? And have priniciples?
College is not a prerequisite for success in life. It can make it easier to succeed, but it's not the be all, end all to prosperity. I'm living proof of that. Never enrolled in college. Granted, I worked my way through some tough times, but early retirement is definitely in the realm of possibilities for me. As long as the damn market comes back....lol. And it will, we just have to be patient. And yes, my kids will be going to college, because I can afford that for them. But using the hypothetical situation above, if by some stroke of luck, he's good enough to first, start for a BCS conf school, second, have success and be a projected 1-3rd pick in the draft, and he wants to leave school early, I'd be a complete idiot to try and force him to stay....and you would be too.
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USC1801
· 1 year ago
Well, I guess I'd join the list of those who want the best for their sons in an area that is lacking in many of todays athletes, character. In your hypothetical scenario, what is the harm in waiting another year? Oh, yes, injury. Of course, the flip side of that negative response is he might set NCAA records and have his stock rise! So, while you are willing to advise your son to "take the money and run," I'm not.
I do believe in priciples and values, and I don't back down an inch from that stance. I also understand that a degree does not equal "success" but that is not my point. I look at a full-time scholarship offered from a school as a priviledge, not a right. The vast majority of students do not have the financial obligations taken care of by the university. Furthermore, with that priviledge comes responsibility (another quality that is lacking - just look at the NFL), and a responsibility to follow through on an obligation.
Frankly, if a young student/athlete is not serious about his education, and just wants a theatre to showcase his temporary athletic abilities, then I say let him go dig ditches and try out as a walk-on in the NFL. Let those who are serious about contributing to society, and not the entertainment business, have the funds.
Sorry to rant, and I'm not picking on you nor holding my position higher than yours. You've made valid points.
GeauxTigers0107
· 1 year ago
No offense taken my man. You've made valid points as well. It's all hypothetical anyway. I guess the only point we disagree on is that I believe if a kid has that special gift to make it to the NFL and chooses to do so, that doesn't mean he is of less character and principles as the kid who chooses to stay his term in college.
You can't stereotype all individuals who leave school early to make it to the next level in the same group with the select few who actually came to school looking for a place to showcase his talents, as you say. For that point, I also agree with you. But those kids weren't raised with character either, IMO.
I too am on the list of those who want the best for their sons. But character is taught, not a god-given gift. It's a reflection of his upbringing, the standards he's held to, and ultimately being accountable for those actions. So you can WANT your kids to have character till the cows come home. Until you teach it to them and show them by your actions and leading by example.....I guess what I'm trying to say is character, IMO, is learned, not inherited.
I'm starting to feel like Dr. Phil....lol.
BTW, what part of SC are you in? I'll be up that way in late January.
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USC1801
· 1 year ago
Dr. Phil:
Yeah, I know what you mean. This topic has the potential to take me off into a more serious bent.
We are in the capitol city but if you're visiting our fair state, I'd recommend you staying away from the upstate, at least anywhere near the area known as Clemson. . . it normally stinks to high heaven there but this year they are particularily foul . . . lol.
Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
I am also in Columbia, but in reality the upstate always smells cleaner. Anywhere not close to the I-77 corridor is going to smell cleaner.
Watch out though, you still have to play us in Death Valley. South Carolina has a good defense, but there's still a lot that could happen in the 4 weeks between now and then.
USC1801
· 1 year ago
Lol . . . yep, I thought I might elicit a response from the Clemson loyal.
Congrats on beating BC. I thought it was going to be another loss but you all pulled it out nicely.
After last nights game against Tenn, I'm not quite as confident our offense is making enough progress to blow Clemson off the map (but I'm hopeful).
Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
That BC game was ridiculous. If we could 1. Not use Harper, who loves to throw to the other team, and 2. Not look worse than my old middle school squad when punting, then we would've probably shut them out.
Yeah, that USC/Tenn game wasn't all that impressive. That is a heated rivalry though, and that always makes things closer than they should be. The defense looks good though. It's going to be interesting to see how both teams progress in the next 4 weeks.
Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
Where are you going in January? If you're going to be in Columbia, I'll have to buy you a beer and a shot...
GeauxTigers0107
· 1 year ago
Every late Jan / early Feb, I play in a golf tournament in Myrtle. It's a 4 day tournament, but we arrive on a Tuesday, play Wed-Sat, come home on Sunday. Always a blast. I actually finished 2nd 2 years ago. Last year, I was 3rd going into the last day and didn't, well....let's just say.....perform they way I normally do...lol. Hangovers are a bitch
In the afternoons, after play, we usually go hit Shuckers or Marty's and finish tieing one on. There's another place up in North Myrtle, can't recall the name, but had a good time there last year until some jerk (Fla fan) decided to get big-chested with us.
We were, of course, sporting the purple and gold and having a good time. They (2 couples) were at the table next to us. So happens, the two females in their group were the hottest thing in the place. But we're getting along fine until my buddy gives a compliment to both guys on them having the best looking young ladies in the place. Very respectful. Both girls blushed and thanked us. One of the two guys recognized the compliment and concurred. But the other guy got offended by it and starts popping off. His group is trying to calm him down, he's steadily mouthing off, then he balls up a small napkin and throws it at our table, trying to hit my buddy who gave the compliment. Naturally, boys being boys, I get up and walk to where he's sitting and ask him if that was really necessary. So he throws me a couple of F-bombs, and I invite him to stand because I refuse to pummel him while he's seated. I don't want him saying he was jumped. He starts to get up but his smoking hot girlfriend grabs the back of his shirt and pulls him back to his seat. They decide it's time to leave and the whole while they're appologizing for his actions. We acknowledge that and off they go.
Other than that one instance, we've never had any trouble. Nor have we noticed a bad smell from either school...lol. Last year, we drove up and brought the jambalaya pot, deep fryers and gumbo pots and threw down on the boardwalk area on the beach at our condo. Of course, we had the music going, plenty of some killer azz shine that my Pop brings down from NC.
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Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
Nice. Myrtle is a very interesting place. We South Carolinians usually don't go there too often though. Of course, in any environment, especially one involving pretty women and alcohol, there's the potential for some idiot not knowing how to act like an adult. You know, there really should be some gauge other than just being 21 to tell when someone is adult enough to handle the stuff.
Anyway, if you're going to be passing through Columbia, and you feel like stopping for a beer, let me know. There's plenty of eye candy to be enjoyed with the cold adult beverages.
That reminds me (and thanks for mentioning it), a friend was telling me that there's a new batch of strawberry shine in Greenville that I need to check out. I might have to go pick some up next weekend.
GeauxTigers0107
· 1 year ago
Now that you mention it, I think we're flying into Columbia.....or is it Charleston?? I've got it wrote down at the house and since I'm offshore right now, that's gonna be hard to access. I do know that the city we're flying into is on the coast. It'll be about a 2 hr drive straight up the coast in the rental....maybe less considering the requirements on driving rentals.
If it is Charleston, how far is Columbia from there? We've got all day Tuesday to do whatever. First tee time isn't until noon Wednesday. Got some nice courses where you are? I'd be down for a cold one or three.
Regarding the shine, my Pop has been living just north of Charlotte for about 15 years now and he's got a friend of a friend who makes the absolute smoothest stuff I've ever tasted. It's called Lemonade, for obvious reasons, and I'm gonna say half to maybe 3/4's of a jar and you won't care if the sun comes up tomorrow...lol. And you can honestly drink half the jar at once with any burn whatsoever.
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Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
First, I'd just like to point out that we've turned the discussion on a thread about graduation rates to moonshine. I personally find that to be extremely appropriate.
It sounds like you're flying into Charleston, which is about 2 hours from Columbia. You should hang out in Charleston before heading out. That city is loaded with history and beauty. I can recommend some great places for food, drinks, and eye candy. I'm sure Regan could recommend quite a few as well. I spend a good amount of time there as well, so if by some way I'm down there when you fly in, the offer still stands. I doubt it, since it's on a Tuesday, but I never know with it being that far away. Otherwise, there's really no reason to go to Columbia if you're flying into Charleston to go to Myrtle.
Charleston to Myrtle = about 2 hours Charleston to Columbia = about 2 hours Columbia to Myrtle = 3+ hours
I haven't had any lemon shine. It sounds very good though. Usually I get peach, since South Carolina produces so many peaches (far more than Georgia, the "Peach State"). Peach is pretty good but I'm looking for something new. The Carolinas have great 'shine. They really should've named the NFL team after it.
GeauxTigers0107
· 1 year ago
Great man...sounds good. Once we get a little closer to departure I'll hit you up for some guide info on where to visit. And as far as the shine, if you come meet us, we expect to have a couple of cases on hand. I'm sure we can spare a couple of jars for you.
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Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
Very nice. I might take the day off for that!
GeauxTigers0107
· 1 year ago
" First, I'd just like to point out that we've turned the discussion on a thread about graduation rates to moonshine. "
LMAO! That takes talent...........and character!
USC1801
· 1 year ago
I'm not going to touch that one, Doc.
GeauxTigers0107
· 1 year ago
Didn't want you to feel left out my friend...lol. All in good fun.
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1Tomcat
· 1 year ago
Geaux Tigers Yall did the right thing, sometimes trouble is unprovoked and I myself had to deal with some difficult and akward situations as my past sometimes haunts me at the most petculiar moments. Like last Monday I handled the situation real well and everything was pretty cool.In fact the guys girlfriend kissed me on the cheek and thanked me, after they left the other folks asked me about the couple thinking we were old friends. Na not at all hadnt seen the guy in about four years and last time I saw him I had to escort him outside the front door of another establishment now bout ten miles away and four years later this knucklehead shows up. We shook hands and exchanged pleasantries and I listened to this numbskull brag about how much money he was making on a drilling rig etc etc, but I never let my guard down, he reminded me of our last encounter and I told him everbody makes mistakes, I dont hold anything against ya- were cool. I think my attitude has changed alot over the years and Im alot wiser and really have nothing to prove to anybody, Im really proud that I have alot more about me than to get into some type of B/S over nothing, in the back of mind I was thinking OK here we go again I guess this idiot wants some more or a chance at some payback or something, its really stupid. So after they left one old local oldtimer said ya ole Joe is always getting his -ss whuped, guess some folks will never learn. Adios Tomcat
GeauxTigers0107
· 1 year ago
LOL. I hear ya Tomcat. I'm getting to old to be throwing hands anymore. I'd rather just drink a beer with ya instead.
Man, your boys played a helluva game vs TT but just couldn't pull it out. When they drove the ball down to inside the 10 yard line and still had 2 minutes on the clock, I was hoping they wouldn't score too quick. Because they haven't exactly been stopping the Red Raiders offense from marching down the field. Well what happens?? First running play is stopped. Clock runs down to 1:34 or somewhere in there. Next play, the kid busts through the line and I'm hollering "fall at the 1, fall at the 1!!" Didn't happen. Scored with 1:29 left on the clock and all TT needed was a field goal to win it. It was one exiting game though.
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1Tomcat
· 1 year ago
Ya Geaux Tigers I totally agree, from the very begining of the season, nobody really gave the Horns much of a chance and even myself a lifelong fan given the difficuly of the league and schedule. This team is really unique in the fact that we really dont have the superstars of years past, but I have never really ever seen a team play together as a unit like this bunch. They were always the underdogs fighting against overwelming odds and coming out on top one way or another and completely surprized everybody. The wins over Ark, Colo, OU and Missu cadapulted this team to the top on a national scale and then the OK state game, couple of turnovers, gave up acouple of big special teams plays but somehow hung together and got the W. If you will analize the tape of the TTech game it was purty obviuos that the boys were off somehow, missed blocks, 7 dropped passes, 15 missed tackles, 2 dropped int's, the last one woulda won the game. Well aint nothing you can do about it but,go back to work and get ready for your next opponent. To be ranked #1 and all the B/s that goes with it, really didnt help the team. For Texas Tech its the biggest win in the history of the program.If Texas woulda won it would just be another win over TTech 6 straight. You really have to give alot of credit to TTech those boys executed and played hard, Texas just didnt execute enough and really stuggled in the first half, the D got wore down, the Horns have come from behind before and didnt run outa gas, but you just cant give the raiders and Leach 88 seconds to work with and the Harrel to Crabtree combo is outstanding, wow both these guys will play on Sundays. Good luck this week- the Targets on Bama's back now Hookem-Horns
hrposon
· 1 year ago
Tomcat, The game was lost in the last 3 minutes with the lack of clock management. When you watch the replay, notice how much time was on the clock when the ball was being snapped. Colt ran out of bounds inside the the 10. Where was the coaching? Now we have to root for a couple of Oklahoma teams.
1Tomcat
· 1 year ago
Your right, and I thought the same thing when McGee scored, its like oh no, but you would agree that there were alot of mistakes during the course of the game and the Horns never really played up to their potential. I have a hard time pullin for OK teams, but I actually said Go Cowboys on an earlier thread- its kinda like a sin or something Hookem-Horns Gigem-Aggies
Mike
· 1 year ago
Clemson_Joe,
In Atlanta we say, "Go to Clemson? No, we already have a high school diploma." Yes, engineering with calculus, Chem, and Physics is a more rigorous route than Sociiology.
Mike in Virginia
Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
I'd put my engineering degree up against yours any day. GT's a damn good school, but I got in there too.
GT isn't a university, so they don't offer too many "football player majors" like universities do, and that hurts the graduation rate.
You know, try as I might, I can't seem to find a listing of the GT football players' majors.
U.of S.C.1978
· 1 year ago
Yada, yada, yada, Cjoe. This ain't a "degree blog". It seems to me we were talking about college football. Your team truly stinks, your fans are not loyal, and HC at Moo-U, is a spot any future Coach's agent, will consider a career ending deal if his dude, does not win big, immediately..
Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
You know, my respect for you grows by the second. Keep talking though, it's fun to watch.
Actually, this thread is about graduation rates, and academics. Mike was talking about school, as I was.
Since when does 9 years = immediately?
U.of S.C.1978
· 1 year ago
More yada, Mr. Spurrier graduated 65. He has his best team thus far at USC. He will be back next year with a better team. That is what I call success.
Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
Success = Going 1-2 against a guy who got fired in the middle of the season
U.of S.C.1978
· 1 year ago
More lip music, it will shortly be 2-2. 3-2 next year.
Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
Really? Is Spurrier going to the Bowden beach house to beat him in checkers? How exactly do you propose that Spurrier is going to beat Bowden this year?
Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
Success in the bowls Lost to an average Missouri team after a monumental collapse in his first year... Barely beat a semi decent Houston team in his 2nd year... Qualified for a bowl, but missed the bowls all together due to a monumental collapse in the last games of the season...
That's success right there, I tell you.
U.of S.C.1978
· 1 year ago
That right there shows your desire, I applaud you for your competitiveness, Face it though, Clemson is not exactly blasting it's way to fame and fortune, in an inferior conference.
Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
When were we talking about Clemson? First, you were attacking me and my team because I was talking about degrees on an academically related threat. Then, I was addressing your statements that Spurrier is a success at South Carolina. "More yada, Mr. Spurrier graduated 65. He has his best team thus far at USC. He will be back next year with a better team. That is what I call success." Now, I don't see where Clemson was mentioned. Do you? I was challenging a statement you made and you've countered by changing the subject. You might should try a run in politics.
USC1801
· 1 year ago
Can you tell the USC/Clemson rivalry game is coming up on the schedule soon? I feel the love!!!
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
We don't have Clemson on our schedule. And, I don't think that it could ever be called a rivalry either.
USC1801
· 1 year ago
Shhhh, Tommy. Don't remind folks your team plays in a patsy conference.
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
USC1801:
Aye, whadduya talkin' bout? We gotz Wazzou and UDub. It don't get no hawdah dan dat.
RazzMaTazz
· 1 year ago
Does it make sense that the schools that are tops in graduation rates also have some of the best academics? For example, I would have expected it to be a LOT harder for a football player to graduate from Stanford. I guess they're finding smart athletes-- which is realy impressive. But I guess it also explains why the top of the list isn't exactly filled with football powers (except maybe Notre Dame from a historical perspective).
Simon
· 1 year ago
That data looks like its from 98-01 which means its pretty irrelevant.
Jeff Kempf
· 1 year ago
Thanks for posting this information. I didn't know there was a chart like this. Unfortunately, the schools that I love to hate are high up on the list. It makes it a little harder for me to hate Notre Dame knowing that they have the highest graduation rate. But, I still hate them. I'm not surprised to see a lot of the academic-focused schools so high on the list. I would expect that the worse a football program is, the higher the graduation rate would be for that school because athletes aren't going to those schools to get recognized by scouts.
boberto
· 1 year ago
One of the top schools each year in football and rated quite low in the graduation rankings had a super player not too long ago that was being honored at a banquet. He was handed a congratulatory note from a well known alumni to read while he was at the podium thanking those honoring him. He could not read a typewritten note. He was attempting to sound out words and could not. It was one of the most uncomfortable situations for the player and the invited guests that anyone had ever seen. Thirty seconds after it was over, there was not a single person left in the room. The parking lot looked like a NASCAR event for about ten minutes.
Bob Davis
· 1 year ago
GeauxTigers0107 comment " Is it our fault if we're busy sending guys to the NFL on a regular basis? That has to factor into the equation of grad rates, like it or not. I'll settle with having a bunch of degree-less athletes that are making millions doing something they love." Is erroneous on two fronts.
First, most scholarship athletes never make it to the pros. The number of athletes leaving early for pro sports rarely is statistically significant in terms of graduation rates. What that means is that schools with low graduation rates are turning out ex-athletes who have neither a pro career nor a degree to help them get a job. That is a travesty.
Second, not all schools at the top of the graduation list fail to get atheletes into the pros. If that were true, explain this list of Boston College alumni in the NFL, many of whom are either wearing Super Bowl rings, or have played in the Super Bowl. And consider that BC has been among the top graduating programs since the coaches started tracking and honoring schools for graduation rates and academics.
Eagles in the NFL ————– Josh Beekman OG Chicago Bears Will Blackmon CB Green Bay Packers Ricky Brown LB Oakland Raiders Tim Bulman DT Houston Texans Gosder Cherilus OT Detroit Lions Vinny Ciurciu LB Minnesota Vikings Marc Colombo OT Dallas Cowboys Jo-Lonn Dunbar LB New Orleans Saints Matt Hasselbeck QB Seattle Seahawks Chris Hovan DT Tampa Bay Buccaneers Pete Kendall OG Washington Redskins Mathias Kiwanuka DE New York Giants Dan Koppen C New England Patriots James Marten OT Oakland Raiders Tom Nalen C Denver Broncos Pat Ross C Arizona Cardinals Sean Ryan TE Miami Dolphins Matt Ryan QB Atlanta Falcons Jamie Silva FS Indianapolis Colts Chris Snee OG New York Giants Brian St. Pierre QB Arizona Cardinals DeJuan Tribble CB San Diego Chargers Jeremy Trueblood OT Tampa Bay Buccaneers Damien Woody C New York Jets
EagleInDC
· 1 year ago
GeauxTigers0107 comment " Is it our fault if we're busy sending guys to the NFL on a regular basis? That has to factor into the equation of grad rates, like it or not. I'll settle with having a bunch of degree-less athletes that are making millions doing something they love." Is erroneous on two fronts.
First, most scholarship athletes never make it to the pros. The number of athletes leaving early for pro sports rarely is statistically significant in terms of graduation rates. What that means is that schools with low graduation rates are turning out ex-athletes who have neither a pro career nor a degree to help them get a job. That is a travesty.
Second, not all schools at the top of the graduation list fail to get atheletes into the pros. If that were true, explain this list of Boston College alumni in the NFL, many of whom are either wearing Super Bowl rings, or have played in the Super Bowl. And consider that BC has been among the top graduating programs since the coaches started tracking and honoring schools for graduation rates and academics.
Eagles in the NFL ————– Josh Beekman OG Chicago Bears Will Blackmon CB Green Bay Packers Ricky Brown LB Oakland Raiders Tim Bulman DT Houston Texans Gosder Cherilus OT Detroit Lions Vinny Ciurciu LB Minnesota Vikings Marc Colombo OT Dallas Cowboys Jo-Lonn Dunbar LB New Orleans Saints Matt Hasselbeck QB Seattle Seahawks Chris Hovan DT Tampa Bay Buccaneers Pete Kendall OG Washington Redskins Mathias Kiwanuka DE New York Giants Dan Koppen C New England Patriots James Marten OT Oakland Raiders Tom Nalen C Denver Broncos Pat Ross C Arizona Cardinals Sean Ryan TE Miami Dolphins Matt Ryan QB Atlanta Falcons Jamie Silva FS Indianapolis Colts Chris Snee OG New York Giants Brian St. Pierre QB Arizona Cardinals DeJuan Tribble CB San Diego Chargers Jeremy Trueblood OT Tampa Bay Buccaneers Damien Woody C New York Jets
EagleInDC
· 1 year ago
One more thing. I double checked the methodology. As it turns out, the NCAA measurements do not penalize programs for players who transfer without a degree or turn pro early while in good academic standing.
mssnd
· 5 months ago
At around a 50% grad rate, half of the USC football team will probably be on a career path of to make $10.00 hr when their eligibility runs out. With regards to the bullcrud argument justifing pimping an athletic kid from the ghetto so he can make it to fame and fortune in the NFL....the chances of a NCAA football player making it to the NFL are 1.8%, according to the NCAA. So lets call that 10% for USC.....which still leaves 40% out in the cold when their "financial usefullness" to the university runs out....very classy indeed. shame..shame...shame Maybe Bush should come back and "push" the President of USC to finally demonstrate some character by raising USC's academic standards for scholarship athletes....and then USC can join the University of Notre Dame in doing "the right thing" for the young men entrusted to its care.
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calbearssfan_1
· 2 months ago
cal is actually at 88
gregcascino
· 6 days ago
Six of the top 20 are in the Big Ten. Northwestern would be higher than 92% if students accepted into professional school, e.g., medical school, prior to graduation would not be considered to have "not graduated". Notre Dame and the higher academic schools in Big Ten are very academically competitive.
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Anyway, good job, ACC. Way to continue actually proving that the ACC's academic standards are where they should be: above everyone else's.
Frankly, I despise Notre Dame football, consider Vandy's program a doormat, and feel sorry for Duke's football team BUT when it comes to the important issues, I am ashamed the vast majority of universities cannot meet their standards of academics. Perhaps the reason for their success in the classroom can be traced back to an emphasis on recruiting academically motivated student/athletes.
I tip my hat to the ACC and those schools graduating athletes at an 80% or greater rate.
(Too bad these ratings aren't factored into a National Champion.)
I'll settle with having a bunch of degree-less athletes that are making millions doing something they love....playing a game. Honestly....what would you do given the chance? Stay and graduate? Or opt out early for the draft with major greenbacks on the table?
There.....that oughta rile up the natives.
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Point taken. Now kindly answer my scenario below. If it were your child, and the draft were a lock, what would be the advice?
PS: don't slip up in the Pick 'Em. I'm catching you and OU_Ron ;-)
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If he were going to be a 1-3 round pick, I would tell him to go pro in a heartbeat, UNLESS, he could potentially improve his draft stock and graduate all at the same time.
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Ok, so lesson learned. I cannot take it lightly and expect to do well. I need to put in my due diligence again next week.
According to Texas Monthly Magazine Nov 08 edition
UT-Austin is a top-rated school U.S. News and World Report 2009 list ranked it 15th out of 68 public universities-There are no special majors for atheletes, as there have been at Auburn and Michigan. Widely circulated NCAA data showing abysmal graduation rates for UT atheletes last in the Big 12 were simply inaccurate. 88 % of all Longhorn atheletes who complete their NCAA eligibility graduate. That compares with a campus-wide rate of 75%. For the 2006-2007 year the football team led the Big12, with 40 players earning 3.0 average or better.The basketball team had a perfect score this year and all of its players remained eligible and on track to graduate.{ the team as a whole had a 3.3 GPA.
How many go pro before graduating?
How many can give change for a dollar?
How many wind up in jail so they can't graduate?
How many take ''Underwater Basket Weaving'' for credit?
Anyone remember Dexter Manley?
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The percentage of athletes who actually make the NFL is very small, so I'd say your case study is limited in it's scope. I also have a problem with advice that makes decisions based on the Almighty Dollar instead of principle. If a school offers my son a 4 yr. scholarship, I'd expect him to fulfill his obligation and graduate. I would much prefer he have integrity than money EVEN IF EVERYONE ELSE IS DOING IT DIFFERENTLY.
College is not a prerequisite for success in life. It can make it easier to succeed, but it's not the be all, end all to prosperity. I'm living proof of that. Never enrolled in college. Granted, I worked my way through some tough times, but early retirement is definitely in the realm of possibilities for me. As long as the damn market comes back....lol. And it will, we just have to be patient. And yes, my kids will be going to college, because I can afford that for them. But using the hypothetical situation above, if by some stroke of luck, he's good enough to first, start for a BCS conf school, second, have success and be a projected 1-3rd pick in the draft, and he wants to leave school early, I'd be a complete idiot to try and force him to stay....and you would be too.
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I do believe in priciples and values, and I don't back down an inch from that stance. I also understand that a degree does not equal "success" but that is not my point. I look at a full-time scholarship offered from a school as a priviledge, not a right. The vast majority of students do not have the financial obligations taken care of by the university. Furthermore, with that priviledge comes responsibility (another quality that is lacking - just look at the NFL), and a responsibility to follow through on an obligation.
Frankly, if a young student/athlete is not serious about his education, and just wants a theatre to showcase his temporary athletic abilities, then I say let him go dig ditches and try out as a walk-on in the NFL. Let those who are serious about contributing to society, and not the entertainment business, have the funds.
Sorry to rant, and I'm not picking on you nor holding my position higher than yours. You've made valid points.
You can't stereotype all individuals who leave school early to make it to the next level in the same group with the select few who actually came to school looking for a place to showcase his talents, as you say. For that point, I also agree with you. But those kids weren't raised with character either, IMO.
I too am on the list of those who want the best for their sons. But character is taught, not a god-given gift. It's a reflection of his upbringing, the standards he's held to, and ultimately being accountable for those actions. So you can WANT your kids to have character till the cows come home. Until you teach it to them and show them by your actions and leading by example.....I guess what I'm trying to say is character, IMO, is learned, not inherited.
I'm starting to feel like Dr. Phil....lol.
BTW, what part of SC are you in? I'll be up that way in late January.
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Yeah, I know what you mean. This topic has the potential to take me off into a more serious bent.
We are in the capitol city but if you're visiting our fair state, I'd recommend you staying away from the upstate, at least anywhere near the area known as Clemson. . . it normally stinks to high heaven there but this year they are particularily foul . . . lol.
Watch out though, you still have to play us in Death Valley. South Carolina has a good defense, but there's still a lot that could happen in the 4 weeks between now and then.
Congrats on beating BC. I thought it was going to be another loss but you all pulled it out nicely.
After last nights game against Tenn, I'm not quite as confident our offense is making enough progress to blow Clemson off the map (but I'm hopeful).
Yeah, that USC/Tenn game wasn't all that impressive. That is a heated rivalry though, and that always makes things closer than they should be. The defense looks good though. It's going to be interesting to see how both teams progress in the next 4 weeks.
In the afternoons, after play, we usually go hit Shuckers or Marty's and finish tieing one on. There's another place up in North Myrtle, can't recall the name, but had a good time there last year until some jerk (Fla fan) decided to get big-chested with us.
We were, of course, sporting the purple and gold and having a good time. They (2 couples) were at the table next to us. So happens, the two females in their group were the hottest thing in the place. But we're getting along fine until my buddy gives a compliment to both guys on them having the best looking young ladies in the place. Very respectful. Both girls blushed and thanked us. One of the two guys recognized the compliment and concurred. But the other guy got offended by it and starts popping off. His group is trying to calm him down, he's steadily mouthing off, then he balls up a small napkin and throws it at our table, trying to hit my buddy who gave the compliment. Naturally, boys being boys, I get up and walk to where he's sitting and ask him if that was really necessary. So he throws me a couple of F-bombs, and I invite him to stand because I refuse to pummel him while he's seated. I don't want him saying he was jumped. He starts to get up but his smoking hot girlfriend grabs the back of his shirt and pulls him back to his seat. They decide it's time to leave and the whole while they're appologizing for his actions. We acknowledge that and off they go.
Other than that one instance, we've never had any trouble. Nor have we noticed a bad smell from either school...lol. Last year, we drove up and brought the jambalaya pot, deep fryers and gumbo pots and threw down on the boardwalk area on the beach at our condo. Of course, we had the music going, plenty of some killer azz shine that my Pop brings down from NC.
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Anyway, if you're going to be passing through Columbia, and you feel like stopping for a beer, let me know. There's plenty of eye candy to be enjoyed with the cold adult beverages.
That reminds me (and thanks for mentioning it), a friend was telling me that there's a new batch of strawberry shine in Greenville that I need to check out. I might have to go pick some up next weekend.
If it is Charleston, how far is Columbia from there? We've got all day Tuesday to do whatever. First tee time isn't until noon Wednesday. Got some nice courses where you are? I'd be down for a cold one or three.
Regarding the shine, my Pop has been living just north of Charlotte for about 15 years now and he's got a friend of a friend who makes the absolute smoothest stuff I've ever tasted. It's called Lemonade, for obvious reasons, and I'm gonna say half to maybe 3/4's of a jar and you won't care if the sun comes up tomorrow...lol. And you can honestly drink half the jar at once with any burn whatsoever.
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It sounds like you're flying into Charleston, which is about 2 hours from Columbia. You should hang out in Charleston before heading out. That city is loaded with history and beauty. I can recommend some great places for food, drinks, and eye candy. I'm sure Regan could recommend quite a few as well. I spend a good amount of time there as well, so if by some way I'm down there when you fly in, the offer still stands. I doubt it, since it's on a Tuesday, but I never know with it being that far away. Otherwise, there's really no reason to go to Columbia if you're flying into Charleston to go to Myrtle.
Charleston to Myrtle = about 2 hours
Charleston to Columbia = about 2 hours
Columbia to Myrtle = 3+ hours
I haven't had any lemon shine. It sounds very good though. Usually I get peach, since South Carolina produces so many peaches (far more than Georgia, the "Peach State"). Peach is pretty good but I'm looking for something new. The Carolinas have great 'shine. They really should've named the NFL team after it.
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LMAO! That takes talent...........and character!
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Na not at all hadnt seen the guy in about four years and last time I saw him I had to escort him outside the front door of another establishment now bout ten miles away and four years later this knucklehead shows up. We shook hands and exchanged pleasantries and I listened to this numbskull brag about how much money he was making on a drilling rig etc etc, but I never let my guard down, he reminded me of our last encounter and I told him everbody makes mistakes, I dont hold anything against ya- were cool. I think my attitude has changed alot over the years and Im alot wiser and really have nothing to prove to anybody, Im really proud that I have alot more about me than to get into some type of B/S over nothing, in the back of mind I was thinking OK here we go again I guess this idiot wants some more or a chance at some payback or something, its really stupid. So after they left one old local oldtimer said ya ole Joe is always getting his -ss whuped, guess some folks will never learn.
Adios Tomcat
Man, your boys played a helluva game vs TT but just couldn't pull it out. When they drove the ball down to inside the 10 yard line and still had 2 minutes on the clock, I was hoping they wouldn't score too quick. Because they haven't exactly been stopping the Red Raiders offense from marching down the field. Well what happens?? First running play is stopped. Clock runs down to 1:34 or somewhere in there. Next play, the kid busts through the line and I'm hollering "fall at the 1, fall at the 1!!" Didn't happen. Scored with 1:29 left on the clock and all TT needed was a field goal to win it. It was one exiting game though.
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They were always the underdogs fighting against overwelming odds and coming out on top one way or another and completely surprized everybody. The wins over Ark, Colo, OU and Missu cadapulted this team to the top on a national scale and then the OK state game, couple of turnovers, gave up acouple of big special teams plays but somehow hung together and got the W. If you will analize the tape of the TTech game it was purty obviuos that the boys were off somehow, missed blocks, 7 dropped passes, 15 missed tackles, 2 dropped int's, the last one woulda won the game.
Well aint nothing you can do about it but,go back to work and get ready for your next opponent. To be ranked #1 and all the B/s that goes with it, really didnt help the team. For Texas Tech its the biggest win in the history of the program.If Texas woulda won it would just be another win over TTech 6 straight.
You really have to give alot of credit to TTech those boys executed and played hard, Texas just didnt execute enough and really stuggled in the first half, the D got wore down, the Horns have come from behind before and didnt run outa gas, but you just cant give the raiders and Leach 88 seconds to work with and the Harrel to Crabtree combo is outstanding, wow both these guys will play on Sundays.
Good luck this week- the Targets on Bama's back now
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The game was lost in the last 3 minutes with the lack of clock management. When you watch the replay, notice how much time was on the clock when the ball was being snapped. Colt ran out of bounds inside the the 10. Where was the coaching?
Now we have to root for a couple of Oklahoma teams.
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In Atlanta we say, "Go to Clemson? No, we already have a high school diploma." Yes, engineering with calculus, Chem, and Physics is a more rigorous route than Sociiology.
Mike in Virginia
GT isn't a university, so they don't offer too many "football player majors" like universities do, and that hurts the graduation rate.
You know, try as I might, I can't seem to find a listing of the GT football players' majors.
Actually, this thread is about graduation rates, and academics. Mike was talking about school, as I was.
Since when does 9 years = immediately?
Lost to an average Missouri team after a monumental collapse in his first year...
Barely beat a semi decent Houston team in his 2nd year...
Qualified for a bowl, but missed the bowls all together due to a monumental collapse in the last games of the season...
That's success right there, I tell you.
"More yada, Mr. Spurrier graduated 65. He has his best team thus far at USC. He will be back next year with a better team. That is what I call success."
Now, I don't see where Clemson was mentioned. Do you? I was challenging a statement you made and you've countered by changing the subject. You might should try a run in politics.
Aye, whadduya talkin' bout? We gotz Wazzou and UDub. It don't get no hawdah dan dat.
First, most scholarship athletes never make it to the pros. The number of athletes leaving early for pro sports rarely is statistically significant in terms of graduation rates. What that means is that schools with low graduation rates are turning out ex-athletes who have neither a pro career nor a degree to help them get a job. That is a travesty.
Second, not all schools at the top of the graduation list fail to get atheletes into the pros. If that were true, explain this list of Boston College alumni in the NFL, many of whom are either wearing Super Bowl rings, or have played in the Super Bowl. And consider that BC has been among the top graduating programs since the coaches started tracking and honoring schools for graduation rates and academics.
Eagles in the NFL
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Josh Beekman OG Chicago Bears
Will Blackmon CB Green Bay Packers
Ricky Brown LB Oakland Raiders
Tim Bulman DT Houston Texans
Gosder Cherilus OT Detroit Lions
Vinny Ciurciu LB Minnesota Vikings
Marc Colombo OT Dallas Cowboys
Jo-Lonn Dunbar LB New Orleans Saints
Matt Hasselbeck QB Seattle Seahawks
Chris Hovan DT Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Pete Kendall OG Washington Redskins
Mathias Kiwanuka DE New York Giants
Dan Koppen C New England Patriots
James Marten OT Oakland Raiders
Tom Nalen C Denver Broncos
Pat Ross C Arizona Cardinals
Sean Ryan TE Miami Dolphins
Matt Ryan QB Atlanta Falcons
Jamie Silva FS Indianapolis Colts
Chris Snee OG New York Giants
Brian St. Pierre QB Arizona Cardinals
DeJuan Tribble CB San Diego Chargers
Jeremy Trueblood OT Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Damien Woody C New York Jets
First, most scholarship athletes never make it to the pros. The number of athletes leaving early for pro sports rarely is statistically significant in terms of graduation rates. What that means is that schools with low graduation rates are turning out ex-athletes who have neither a pro career nor a degree to help them get a job. That is a travesty.
Second, not all schools at the top of the graduation list fail to get atheletes into the pros. If that were true, explain this list of Boston College alumni in the NFL, many of whom are either wearing Super Bowl rings, or have played in the Super Bowl. And consider that BC has been among the top graduating programs since the coaches started tracking and honoring schools for graduation rates and academics.
Eagles in the NFL
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Josh Beekman OG Chicago Bears
Will Blackmon CB Green Bay Packers
Ricky Brown LB Oakland Raiders
Tim Bulman DT Houston Texans
Gosder Cherilus OT Detroit Lions
Vinny Ciurciu LB Minnesota Vikings
Marc Colombo OT Dallas Cowboys
Jo-Lonn Dunbar LB New Orleans Saints
Matt Hasselbeck QB Seattle Seahawks
Chris Hovan DT Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Pete Kendall OG Washington Redskins
Mathias Kiwanuka DE New York Giants
Dan Koppen C New England Patriots
James Marten OT Oakland Raiders
Tom Nalen C Denver Broncos
Pat Ross C Arizona Cardinals
Sean Ryan TE Miami Dolphins
Matt Ryan QB Atlanta Falcons
Jamie Silva FS Indianapolis Colts
Chris Snee OG New York Giants
Brian St. Pierre QB Arizona Cardinals
DeJuan Tribble CB San Diego Chargers
Jeremy Trueblood OT Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Damien Woody C New York Jets
Go Irish !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!