I agree with you Ben, the toilet bowl would be a great place for Notre Dame to end it's season.
Rich Williams
· 1 year ago
Notre Dame stealing an alloted spot is a disgrace. They should end up in the Emeral Nuts Bowl or some such other disgrace.
gosu27
· 1 year ago
I was at the ND-Pitt game this year, I was surprised by how bad the coaching staff is. They were super aggressive between the 20's, then seemed to be centering the ball with their non-existent running game. It was almost liked Weis was just gonna settle for a field goal every time during the second half. The defensive gameplan was terrible as well. Pitt has nothing outside of LeSean McCoy.
Weis has the same winning % that Davie had, it's time for him to go.
TampaGator
· 1 year ago
Weis was outcoached by the Wanstache...
....no details necessary.
GO GATORS!!
badgerballer
· 1 year ago
"....it's time for him to go."
Do you have any idea how much scratch firing him would cost ND? Ain't gonna happen.
Weiss is amazing. Here's a guy who parlayed 2 Superbowl rings as a Coordinator, into a $10 million locked up, guaranteed deal. What a tremendous scam. I had a GREAT sales year in 1999 - it'd sure be nice if I were still getting paid for it today.
Tom_Blogical
· 1 year ago
This is why there are just too many bowl games. Seriously, all 6-6 teams should be staying home. I actually think it's a stretch to send 8-4 teams to a bowl game, but what do I know.
FSU_Ben
· 1 year ago
I suppose it takes understanding that the bowls are more for the money than a reward for the team. Many 8-4 teams aren't worth a hoot to the bowls (cincinati comes immediatly to mind, as does about anything out of small conferences, the directional michigans for instance). Often times it is that ACC/SEC/Big-10/Big-12 team that sells the bowl. The south just sells bowls (Penn State on south west to texas counting Nebraska and Oklahoma). Butts in seats and eyeballs on TVs is what it is all about. Can you imagine Wake forest vs cincinatti orange bowl? One of the teams has to have a following and winning records does not mean following. BTW there would only be 14 or so bowls at best on your system.
Tom_Blogical
· 1 year ago
"I suppose it takes understanding that the bowls are more for the money than a reward for the team."
Thank you, Captain Obvious! I suppose it takes an understanding that I'm implying something beyond what I wrote, and that something would earn more money, bring more butts in the seats and eyeballs on TV than the BCS or any other bowl system. Of course, what I'm implying is a dirty word around here.
And I say this with slight sarcasm...not in full-on Smart Ass mode. :-)
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
Speaking of bowls, Tom, getting a ticket punched to the Cap One bowl ain't a half bad way to go, especially if it's against Georgia.
That would be a heck of a matchup...
Tom_Blogical
· 1 year ago
I'm hoping they get an SEC team and finally get that 800-pound gorilla off their backs. I'd prefer they did it in a BCS bowl, though. GO DUCKS! Quakety-quack-quack...and stuff.
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
Tom:
Jaquizz Rodgers is "doubtful" for Oregon. I cannot see Oregon State winning that game without him. That's gonna put USC vs Penn State in the Rose Bowl and Ohio State will maybe end up in the Sugar Bowl against Alabama. I think the Fiesta will get Texas and Utah. That's just a guess - but I think the Bucks are gonna be in with an Oregon State loss to Oregon this weekend.
Tyler_Tech
· 1 year ago
i really do not want to see the destruction of Penn State. So I am routing for OSU. It is not good for college football to see JoePa get his teeth kicked in by USC because that is what will happen. I would much rather see USC in the fiesta.
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
It might be good for college football to see JoePa get his teeth knocked in by the Beavers though...
Then to see Texas stick it to USC...
Then to see Utah get a fluke play to upset Alabama in the last second...
Oklahoma Florida would be great either way...
And one other, but who cares...
Tyler_Tech
· 1 year ago
I would take all of those scenarios. I usually root for the mountain west and Big 12. But I secretly love to keep the big 10 and pac 10 down. Muahahahahahaha.
FSU_Ben
· 1 year ago
Hmm. I sounded a bit rude in my post I guess judgeing by your response. I didn't mean it that way. Sorry.
I like the bowls and any playoff needs to incorporate them in some way for my support (not that it matters). I want a playoff but I don't want to see the 60 odd games we play in the post season go away and I don't see a 64 team play off coming. I keep seeing people say do 4 or 8. Unless you do something like 32 I don't see it working (and making everyone happy).
Tom_Blogical
· 1 year ago
"Hmm. I sounded a bit rude in my post I guess judgeing by your response. I didn't mean it that way. Sorry."
No apology necessary. My last line was supposed to show I wasn't offended at all. Apparently, I didn't do a good job of that. FAIL!! :-)
Tom_Blogical
· 1 year ago
"Unless you do something like 32 I don't see it working (and making everyone happy)."
There's no need to reinvent the wheel. All they have to do is cut out the regular season cupcake games, play the games at bowl locations, and voila!! No rules changes every year due to unforeseen B(C)S crises. No more subjective judging to get into the National Championship game as if we're watching figure skating.
But again. What do I know? (I have to admit, however, that I think playing the games at former bowl locations is ludicrous. I'd personally dump the bowl idea altogether, but I'm sure that wouldn't be popular.)
Big B
· 1 year ago
Very well said. Maybe we should stop refering to it as the MNC and, instead, repeatedly call it the National Figure Skating Championship. Changing the nomenclature worked for the republican revolution and Newt Gingrich, so maybe that is what we need to finally can the BCS.
Tom_Blogical
· 1 year ago
Well, if you really want to be snarky, you could say it worked really well for the New Deal and the war on poverty and unemployment. That's really been a model of success...so much so we're gonna get 4 more years of that same FAIL.
So yeah. Let's do repeatedly call it the National Figure Skating Championship. Changing that nomenclature worked for the New Deal, FDR and Jimmy Carter, so maybe that is what we need to finally can the BCS.
EVEN BETTER...since everybody's so ga ga into Socialism these days, what with all the Fanny Mae, Freddie Mac, Citi, all the other banks, and GM Socialist bailout stupidity, let's just have the government take it over! We'll never have rules changes every year because of BCS stupidity then!
It'll just be government stupidity and massive FAIL on an even more colossal scale! Yippee!
Zac
· 1 year ago
I just gotta know one thing: What is this ancient hatred toward Cincinnati? Did they upset FSU sometime back prior to an important game or something? Cause, I sure don't remember it. For as far back as I can remember, and that's a ways for yours truly, Cinci has been competitive on the field. No, they haven't always posted winning records, or even gone to bowl games. However, all too often, they have given presumably better teams fits.
Just look at what they've done since joining the B.E. They've gone from a 4-7 1st year, to beating an 11-win Rutgers team in their 2nd year, to winning 10 games their 3rd year, and now they're within a game of winning the B.E. title; not to mention, if they win their bowl, it'll be the 3rd in a row, and they'll have won 11 games. Garbage or no, that's a heck-of-a-lot more than FSU has done in the same time frame.
Mind you; I'm not Cinci fan, and I have been a Bowden family fan for years. I would just like to know what this is about, is all. Maybe you can fill me in. Perhaps other inquiring minds would like to know.
FSU_Ben
· 1 year ago
I don't have any animosity toward cincinnati per se. I really just see a team that isn't much better than it's in state competetion (and I don't mean OSU). They are a team that historically played on par with Kent State, Akron, Ohio, Miami (oh), Toledo etc. They have no fan following. My friend who went to the school said she lived in a building that overlooked the stadium and still couldn't tell you a thing about the football program. She said most students just didn't care about it. She also went to FSU for post grad and said she could certainly see the difference. Cincinnati gets an easier shot at a BCS bowl than ANY of the old greats (except maybe ND). That is my second complaint. FSU, FLORIDA, USC, MIAMI, ALABAMA, OSU, MICHIGAN, AUBURN, UT etc. all work much harder for a BCS bid AND harder to play in a NC game. It is hardly fair that a passel of mediocre and unremarkable teams and some really horrible teams get a automatic BCS bid. I would put the MWC over the Big East most years and if the MWC expanded to take the WAC california teams and perhaps Boise and Tulsa out of the C-USA they would be QUITE A BIT ahead of the not so big east. I would be fine if the big east expanded, mind you and I do see brighter future for them but to act year in a year out since the raid like they are decent is perturbing.
FSU_Ben
· 1 year ago
Some figures for you btw (none of these figures include this wonderous season): Answer to your FSU-Cincinnati Upset scenario- Cinci is 0-6 against FSU Records against C-USA opponets aren't so hot either: Against East Carolina- 5-12 Against Lousville- 18-20-1 Against Memphis- 12-18 Against Southern Miss- 8-7 (A winning record!) UAB - 5-3 (that is okish) Tulsa- 11-15-1 Tulane- 3-9 62-84-2 against these conference opponents.
Against other Ohio Teams: OSU- 0-4 Bowling Green- 0-4 Dayton (FCS)- 10-5-1 Kent State- 5-0 Akron- 2-2 Ohio- 8-5 Miami (OH)- 20-33-1 Toledo- 1-2 Youngstown State (FCS)- 2-2 48-57-2 against in state schools, most of which are considered to be very poor competition indeed.
Against FCS Big East teams and Former Big East Teams (AKA the teams it replaces): Miami: 0-9 Temple: 4-9-1 Villanova (FCS): 2-2 BC: 3-4 VT: 3-4 12-28-1 against the old big east and villanova which I added for fun.
Suddenly this middle of the pack team in a bottom dweller conference (C-USA) is good? Why do we think so? College football is becoming so "what have you done for me lately" it sickens me. Here are records against current teams: UL: 18-20-1 (came from C-USA with them) USF: 3-2 (Also from C-USA) Pitt: 0-5 (Wow) WVU: 1-10 (Telling) Rutgers: 5-7-1 (Remember rutgers is recently good and cinci beat them in the beast year they had, as you pointed out, but has an overall losing record.) UConn: 4-0 (the new big east, haha) Syracuse: 4-4 35-48-1 against the new big east.
Ok now lets compare them to some the bottom of the BCS at least ones that they have met (Historically speaking pre-BCS etc.):
KSU: 2-2 Vandy: 1-3 Syracuse: 4-4 (all meetings after the Orange Age of decent Syracuse ball) UNC: 2-2 Purdue: 0-1 Indiana: 1-5
Against the service academies: Navy: 0-1 AF: 0-1 Army 3-3
They don't have winning records against Sunbelt teams Troy or North Texas. Against the SEC it's just hilarious: Alabama: 0-4 Georgia: 0-1 Florida: 0-1 Kentucky: 2-5-1 Tennessee: 0-1 Vandy: 1-3 Auburn: 0-1 South Carolina: 0-2 No meetings with Ark, The two mississippis, or LSU.
Total winning series over one meeting against FBS opponents: 11 Total BCS: 3 Arizona State, UConn and USF (both BE teams just moved up this decade from FCS) The others S. Miss, UAB, Marshall (C-USA), Kent State, Ohio (Mac Bottom Dwellers), LA-Laf, LA-Mon (Sunbelt), and TCU (MWC).
Do you get the overall picture? It's not pretty. They aren't exactly Notre Dame to tie the last two posts in very weakly to the overall topic :P
Regan
· 1 year ago
I have ND in the Texas Bowl:
1) ND has a Tie-In with the Big East. 2) I project the Big East to have 6x 7-5 or better teams, leaving one spot for a 6-6 team. 3) The Texas Bowl gets that last pick.
This is how it would work anywhere else in the world, but since we're talking ND, there is no telling what kind of inside deals and clauses that exist for the Irish...
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
Where is the Big East's 7th Bowl? I count the BCS and 5 others. Are you thinking the Big East will get 2 teams in the BCS this year?
Regan
· 1 year ago
My info had the Big East Bowls as being:
1) BCS 2) Gator / Sun (vs. ACC or Pac-10) 3) Meineke Car Care (vs. ACC) 4) International (vs. MAC) 5) Papajohn's.com (vs. SEC) 6) St. Petersburg (vs. C-USA) 7) Texas (vs. Big 12)
I wouldn't be surprised if this had changed, however, given all the craziness of the Bowl landscape.
I think, given the choice, Notre Dame takes the Sun Bowl over the Texas Bowl.
shiguy
· 1 year ago
The BE is not part of the Texas Bowl. We were back when it was the Houstan bowl but after it became the Texas Bowl 2 years ago the BE was not longer part of it.
Regan
· 1 year ago
Okay, that explains it.
See? Not surprised. :)
FSU_Ben
· 1 year ago
The earlier picks might opt to pass if that is possible.
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
After this weekend, we're all gonna get to see why Charlie Weiss should be fired, and that Notre Dame should not be going to any bowl game period. I'm all for Urban Meyer ending up at Notre Dame. Don't mean to piss off any Gator fans, but it would benefit my Trojans greatly, if we could just get some kinda competition from Notre Dame once in awhile. I never thought that I'd see the day, when scheduling Notre Dame, would definately hurt your SOS. In any other coaching regime, USC could have gotten quite a bump in the BCS standings, with a solid win over Notre Dame. That has not been the case under Charlie Cheeseburger. They were much better off with Ty Willingham than they ever will be with this clown.
shiguy
· 1 year ago
Woo woo woo........I don't know about that. I'm preaty sure that Terrible Ty was run out of washington for a reason......
FSU_Ben
· 1 year ago
I'm not sure losing to USC is quite as bad as losing to Syracuse no matter the margins. USC could score 70-0 and I would bet Weiss getting fired would have more to do with losing to the Orange.
Zac
· 1 year ago
I don't know. Look at ND's record last year (1st 9 loss season in their history), and the teams they lost to last year, including Navy for the 1st time in how many years. Weiss is still there. Given they've gone from 3-9 to 6-6, it seems logical they'd give him one more shot. Then, again, stranger things have happened.
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
FSU_Ben:
Your point is valid. But, when it comes to not being able to beat rivalry games, this is what seems to get coaches fired quite often. If it becomes very apparent that Charlie will never be able to beat Pete - then that is when Charlie is gonna go. At Notre Dame, the biggest games of the year are against Michigan and USC. Notre Dame and Southern Cal rivals the "greatest rivalry" in college football. Notre Dame will not be able to stand being pummeled by Southern Cal every single year into eternity.
Duece
· 1 year ago
There was a period in the 80's/90's that ND handled SC something like 11 years in a row & 15 out of 16 years or something crazy like that... Bama just beat Auburn for the 1st time in 7 years.. These things happen. ND should learn from the Willingham fall out & let Weis have at least 5 years (always a Notre Dame standard in the past... Until Ty Willingham). Fire him after next season... That way they're back to their ND principles they alway boast so much about.
SirSmokeAlot
· 1 year ago
I vote for the TOILET BOWL!! This programs time has passed, sick of all the attention a school get's that absolutely does not deserve any attention-good or bad. They have always been one of the most borrrrring teams to watch. Hell I'm a Big 10 fan and I believe that they would fit right in at this point...
OleBlueDog
· 1 year ago
Agree whole heartedly. Charlie Weis can hang around a while longer and have them sucking so bad that the fan base is put off, NBC doesn't renew their TV contract, and they are forced to join the Big 11 (ha). They could keep their annual out of conference with USC (though I can't see why... shouldn't a rivalry be competitive?) and play army as their gimmee win.
shiguy
· 1 year ago
It could even be sponsored and be called the "Drano bowl!" Someone get a Drano rep on that!
The_Central_Scrutinizer
· 1 year ago
The situation would be exasperated if Oregon State beats Oregon to earn a Rose Bowl berth and USC qualifies for the Fiesta Bowl. Exacerbated. The ND Alumni and Bowl execs are exasperated. (Charlie Weis's skill is exaggerated.) And if the Beavers chew up the Ducks, why not have Pete Carrol vs. Nick Saban in New Orleans for The Ego Bowl?
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
Spell check fails, guess I picked the wrong choice...
I did not mean to exasperate those who have better spelling than I.
I'll go back to the game permutaions now...
Regan
· 1 year ago
Given my recent education about the Big East's Bowl lineup by Ben Prather and Shiguy, I have now gone back to my own permutations and have Notre Dame in the Independence Bowl against Colorado.
The logic is that:
1) ND will be the first 6-6 team picked by any Bowl trying to fill it's slot. 2) AUB will probably lose to BAMA, giving the SEC only 8 eligible teams. 3) The SEC is likely to place 2 teams in the BCS. 4) Of the Bowls that would be looking for an At-Large team, the Independence is the most prestigious (I think....)
Which means it won't happen.....
FanoftheGame
· 1 year ago
The "Lucky Charms" cereal bowl.
michael a. montoya
· 1 year ago
why do all you bozo's hate so much on ND? Like any other teams you have your ups and downs ............ most schools have a string of successful yrs and also share a bad to mediocre seasons. That being said, what team has the most or second to most National Championships? Heismans? All time wins? Bowl appearances? NFL alumni? Super Bowl players? Shall I continue? I didn't think so!!
"Rudy R."
OU_Ron
· 1 year ago
I think you just answered your question......
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
I Hate ND because I Hate ND.
It's the same circular logic that leads to:
I love Utah!!
shiguy
· 1 year ago
I hate ND because of their cocky holier than though attitude. And because the constantly take bowl slots that everyone in the country knows there are not qualified to be in. Then refuse to play any real competition with Michigan and USC aside. Then then when they say thy're going to play other conferences (aka the new deal with the BE) they make excuses to not play some of the better teams in the conference because "o we had scheduling conflicts" my ass! the deal is for a 10 year deal to play a set amount of BE teams. You couldn't find a date in 10 years that you could play the conference champ/co-champ of 4/5 years?!! really?! I call BS! You deserved to loose to Syracuse everyone knows why when you had your pick of BE teams you choose them. In ND eyes it was a sure win and a FBS school and now look "they're all gonna laugh at you"....
And i don't know why you just brought up all of those stats because if you actually knew them you would know those actually are going against your argument Most bowl appearances ND ranks at 25. Most nation championships ok you have one over alabama. Although a vast majority of those ND claimed were from years which cannot actually be determined because there was no national championship at the time and ND just said well we played good so we should have it. Most wins? ND isn't even in the top 5. In fact of the ones you listed the only 2 which you can count is number of NFL players which ND is the top and heismans. They are currently tied for number of heismans with 3 other schools though. So get your facts right before you come off rambling random crap.
Big B
· 1 year ago
We hate Notre Dame, or at least I do, because all that wonderful junk you allude to from records to heisman trophies and everything in between. That is all a thing of the past, yet you still use it to claim to be relevant. Notre Dame stinks, yet NBC puts their crappy games on tv every week based on the lore of years ago, not the talent or success of the current team. Keeping with the Holiday spirit, Notre Dame is the ghost of christmas past, and I am ready for that graveyard shift to end.
USC1801
· 1 year ago
The question becomes, "Why do you love NDame?" Look, your own fans throw snowballs at the players (we at least have the decency to express our displeasure in words). You have a coach who is so arrogant that he curses at little children when they seek his autograph (heavens knows why they would ask), you haven't won a bowl game in, what is it, 15 yrs YET the media is so enamored with NDame that it will probably offer a 6-6 team a spot in the limelight. Ooooh, we have many reasons to wonder why you support such a pitiful program. I'm with Big B. . . .I'm ready to see NDame fade away.
I hope NDame loses to USCal by 70 points and KEEPS Weis.
FSU_Ben
· 1 year ago
I'm not ready to see them fade away but I do want them to get bad enough to need to join a conference. The big 10 and the big east both would take Notre Dame.
Zac
· 1 year ago
"Hello, my name is Diego Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die." (There's that reference to Princes Bride again.)
I've got a surprise for you; so, don't faint. I don't hate ND. As a good Catholic, I used to root for them all the time. After a while, however, I got a little tired of they're having always beaten other teams I liked to follow. I think it's refreshing to see them brought down to earth once in a while, just like AL, FL, Miami, MI, NE, OK, OSU, Penn St, or USC (to name a few). It's just as refreshing to see teams like Boise St, Cinci, MO, Navy, NW, OR, RICE, S FL, TX Tech, UT, or Wake (to name a few) do well. Sometimes that means at ND's expense.
I personally think that ND, and all it has accomplished on the field, is good for college football. I think it will always be that way. What bothers me is this: Of what is ND afraid? The days of independence (speaking purely college football here) are gone. The advantages to being fully affiliated with a conference far out-weigh the disadvantages. Yet, ND football isn't, nor will it be (Rumor has it.), affiliated with any conference any time soon.
Now, being the kidder that I am, I see ND as being that 600 lb Gorilla that everyone jokes about. What does a 600 lb Gorilla eat for supper? Anything it wants. Where does a 600 lb Gorilla go on vacation? Anywhere it wants. And so on. So, when asked where does a 6-6 ND go bowling, see the 2nd 600 lb Gorilla joke. Economically, it makes sense. ND has the fan base, and given their lofty past, they attract TV ratings, much due to some of the attitudes you've read here. Now,, ask yourself if that's fair to other teams in tough conferences with tougher schedules, which have won more games.
There-in lies my issue with ND. For the most part (until recently, that is), they've never been afraid to take on all comers. But when it comes time to be part of a community, they refuse to belly up to the bar. Remember; college football (among other things - there is the money aspect) is about "TEAM". Sadly, despite their resources & endowments, ND is all about itself. JMHO.
FanoftheGame
· 1 year ago
I meant no disrespect to ND. THere is nothing wrong with Lucky Charms either. They are Magicly Delicious!!
Eye_of_the_Tiger
· 1 year ago
hey, Michael Montoya, All hate aside...Does a team having a down year deserve to be in a bowl? Scratch that...Does a team having a bad last couple of decades deserve to be ina bowl?
MIKE OLEARY
· 1 year ago
I think NOTRE DAME will defer a bowl bid this year.The University wants this season to end quickly an quietly The AD made a national statement during the navy game when he purposely made a authorative statement in sayiny that NOTRE DAME will only except A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP.In other words playing on Sundays and producing Heisman canidates is not at the top of the list for any NOTRE DAME coach to fel confortable with in the long term as being NOTRE DAMES head coach.
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
NEWS FLASH:
Notre Dame to join FCS teams to particibate in a playoffs and determine the championship team on the field.
"We feel that joining other relics of the past, such as Harvard, Yale and Princeton, is a move that best reflects the current status of our program."
Speculation is surrounding the possibility that Rutgers, Pittsburgh, Nebraska and Texas A&M may follow suit.
FSU_Ben
· 1 year ago
Syracuse..
4cornerz
· 1 year ago
Lower Tier bowls are hoping The Big East fulfill their bowl requirements and other conferences does not fulfill theirs b/c Lower tier Bowl are chumping at the bit to get a 6-6 ND as an at- large over a 7-4 or 8-3 mid major school
Gene
· 1 year ago
Hawaii Bowl!!! I give myself a X-mas gift. Sun, surf and a tan. Best of all a win!!! Hawaii is lame this year.
David S.
· 1 year ago
I rather watched a Ball State, Boise State, Utah, BYU, TCU, Western Michigan, Central Michigan and other good mid-major teams than some sorry excuse losers of the BCS teams. Any BCS teams that are 6-6 should stay home. That means Rutgers?, Wake Forest?, Clemson?, Virginia, N.C. State, Louisville?,Kansas? Colorado?, Arizona?, Arizona State, UCLA, Vanderbilt?, Kentucky?, Auburn and Notre Dame.
The biggest losing BCS schools and conferences are the Big East, the ACC and Notre Dame. Sorry, the ACC are very weak and so are the Big East teams. Why? They lose to teams in Conference USA, the MAC and the WAC.
4cornerz
· 1 year ago
Dav I agree with you, but ND will put butts in seats of Lower tier bowls, b/c of tradition. Ex. Say if Hawaii vs East Carolina in the Hawaii bowl attendance will be 38,000 ,but if ND vs Hawaii the game will be sold out. The Bottom line is ND needs to join the Big East or the Big 10 + 1.
FSU_Ben
· 1 year ago
Have you watched Pac-10 football? The ACC has one loss against C-USA and one against the S.belt. All other losses are BCS losses. Forde's latest dash lists the ACC as the only conference with no weak teams. I tend to agree and so does Sagarin. Win loss doesn't mean much when you play garbage all year like those mid majors especially the western ones. Ball State has 0 quality wins unless you could various directional michigan schools who also have no quality wins. How many bowl elidgible BCS teams did they play and win? Zero. If all you like are win loss records you should know College Football has a whole lot of other layers to look at. TCU is the best team you listed at 2 losses. Utah second, BYU third, Ball State (or) Boise, then directional Michigans. Your second list lists teams that would beat all of the above at least 2 out of 3 times played on thier down years with the exception of a couple. One and two star talent on list one list two (the BCS list) 2-3 star talent except notre dame (3,4,5 star talent and some woeful coaching). TCU might do some damage, I admit, perhaps Utah and BYU might stand a 50/50 shot.
That is only point one of a two part explanation. Most people do not want to see that pile of (ahem) teams you listed first in bowls. They want to see THIER teams. Those teams have marginal fanbases with exception of the Utah teams. None of them have national followings. If you have a bowl game you want to pick teams people will watch and most people unlike apparently you, do not want to watch those teams you listed in bowls, especially BCS bowls.
I watched Boise/Ok but man was it boring until the end and you could see Oklahoma was the better team the whole game. A couple trick plays in OT and Voila suddenly a team that looks like a high school team to floridians is suddenly getting some attention. Don't knock BCS conferences simply because you are one of the very few fans of those teams. It drives me insane that people think those teams would deserve great things simply because they beat up on other relatively talentless teams. I do accept the argument that they played the schedule they had and that they often try to schedule decent ooc games. That does not make them exceptional teams. It makes them teams that do the best with what they are given and I give them credit for that.
Talent wise C-USA is the closest to BCS some feel (having teams that recruit from fertile Florida, Texas, Oklahoma, Alabama, Lousiana etc.). Tulsa (with texas talent) and ECU are the two best teams on either side of C-USA. Tulsa lost the the WORST SEC team of the year. ECU upset VT (ACC) but turned around and lost to NC State (11th in the ACC) and Virginia (9thish atm in the ACC will likely finish lower).
I do like MWC football fine, for the little I get to see, and wouldn't mind them becoming the next BCS conference if the took Boise, Fresno and SJSU (the latter two hold great long term potential the first has made a name for itself but will likely peter out it is idaho after all).
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
The ACC and Big East are the only BCS conferences that will fill thier bowl bids.
Though they lack a solid top team to make it up the rankings, they have depth.
U.of S.C.1978
· 1 year ago
So what you are saying is that conferences without teams in the hunt for the NC, or a couple of dominant teams, find it easier to fill bowl spots? The only reason they have depth, is because they did not have teams much above their norms, (with the possible exception of, Cincinnati?).
shiguy
· 1 year ago
They need to join the Big Televen and Penn St. needs to join the BE.
FSU_Ben
· 1 year ago
The big 10 needs to go to 12. So does the Big East.
Zac
· 1 year ago
Agreed. If the Big Televen picked up ND, they could also afford to pick up IA St & let Penn St join the Big East (Better geographic fits all around; Joe Pa would have to leave Penn St 1st.). The Big 12 would have no trouble picking up a decent sub for IA St (would likely be better off), and the B.E. could work out what ever they needed to invite 4 more teams, etc. But, that's a debate for another thread.
PrinceMarko
· 1 year ago
Why should they join the big 10 when their other sports are in the Big East?
Diggs_the_Mountie
· 1 year ago
Notre Dame will only get the Sun Bowl "IF" Rutgers should lose to Louisville and finishes 6-6, then that leaves Louisville, Rutgers and Notre Dame all at 6-6 respectively. If that happens then ND is VERY LIKELY to go to the Sun. If Rutgers beats Louisville though that would make Rutgers 7-5 thus eliminating Notre Dame from the Sun provided they lose to USC this weekend.
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
I was arguing for Notre Dame to go to the Sun Bowl in the PAC 10's slot, not the Big East's slot.
Diggs_the_Mountie
· 1 year ago
Been hearing any Brian Kelly to Notre Dame rumors?
4cornerz
· 1 year ago
ND will replace some conference team in a lower tier bowl then sell it out
FSU_Ben
· 1 year ago
No one argues that. They will get a bowl and they will sell it out.
shiguy
· 1 year ago
How couldn't they. They still have all of last year's bowl money that none of the fans spent ;-)
Zac
· 1 year ago
Lets not forget the B(c)S money they get for not having gone to a bowl last year.
1Tomcat
· 1 year ago
If ND is going to a bowl, then that means they have to face a team with a winning record-E Gad
PrinceMarko
· 1 year ago
Notre Dame shouldnt get into any bowl if they get blow out by USC.
GatorMatt
· 1 year ago
I wonder where IrishJT is during all this. Anyone remember him from a few years back?
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
GatorMatt:
I heard the gunshot all the way from South Bend to here. It seems as if that Irish JT had drinkin' all the Charlie Cheeseburger kool-aide. After last years stellar performance, Irish JT had suddenly understood what he had done, and rather than suffer the slow miserable death of all the rest of the "Golden Domer's" - he inexplicitly took his own life. He will be missed. Thank God that we have Bleed Crimson to carry that mantle.
GatorMatt
· 1 year ago
I haven't posted here much at all the past year and a half or so, but I will occasionally browse the threads. I noticed that after a few games into 2007, he was mysteriously absent. Good luck to your Trojans tonight. I wanna see Weis booted out of South Bend. I don't like his demeanor, and I wanna see the Irish fail miserably again when trying to get Meyer
ND giggler
· 1 year ago
I think Charlie Weis is doing his best. Unfortunately Notre Dame football is going to take a long time to return to prominence. I think NBC should cancel their contract with them. I get tired of watching horrible football when there are much better teams to broadcast on TV.
Too bad Golden Domers will demand Ole Chuck's firing, which will be expensive. He's a great football mind. He doesn't have the guns to comete against top 10 elite football teams. He had the 107th toughest schedule this season. Ending up 6-6 is a tough pill to swallow. Maybe more football players will opt to go other than Notre Dame.
lsw1369
· 1 year ago
Don't blame Charlie...His system is proven to work against better talent than any program in the NCAA has to offer. What they need is a NOTRE DAME quarterback without a stretch limo who can stand in the pocket...Oh, and an IRISH line that is tough enough to give him a pocket. Stop relying on USC's backyard for the bigs and get back to Texas and maybe hit up the SEC backyard in say, BAMA.
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Weis has the same winning % that Davie had, it's time for him to go.
....no details necessary.
GO GATORS!!
Do you have any idea how much scratch firing him would cost ND? Ain't gonna happen.
Weiss is amazing. Here's a guy who parlayed 2 Superbowl rings as a Coordinator, into a $10 million locked up, guaranteed deal. What a tremendous scam. I had a GREAT sales year in 1999 - it'd sure be nice if I were still getting paid for it today.
Thank you, Captain Obvious! I suppose it takes an understanding that I'm implying something beyond what I wrote, and that something would earn more money, bring more butts in the seats and eyeballs on TV than the BCS or any other bowl system. Of course, what I'm implying is a dirty word around here.
And I say this with slight sarcasm...not in full-on Smart Ass mode. :-)
That would be a heck of a matchup...
Jaquizz Rodgers is "doubtful" for Oregon. I cannot see Oregon State winning that game without him. That's gonna put USC vs Penn State in the Rose Bowl and Ohio State will maybe end up in the Sugar Bowl against Alabama. I think the Fiesta will get Texas and Utah. That's just a guess - but I think the Bucks are gonna be in with an Oregon State loss to Oregon this weekend.
Then to see Texas stick it to USC...
Then to see Utah get a fluke play to upset Alabama in the last second...
Oklahoma Florida would be great either way...
And one other, but who cares...
I like the bowls and any playoff needs to incorporate them in some way for my support (not that it matters). I want a playoff but I don't want to see the 60 odd games we play in the post season go away and I don't see a 64 team play off coming. I keep seeing people say do 4 or 8. Unless you do something like 32 I don't see it working (and making everyone happy).
No apology necessary. My last line was supposed to show I wasn't offended at all. Apparently, I didn't do a good job of that. FAIL!! :-)
There's no need to reinvent the wheel. All they have to do is cut out the regular season cupcake games, play the games at bowl locations, and voila!! No rules changes every year due to unforeseen B(C)S crises. No more subjective judging to get into the National Championship game as if we're watching figure skating.
But again. What do I know? (I have to admit, however, that I think playing the games at former bowl locations is ludicrous. I'd personally dump the bowl idea altogether, but I'm sure that wouldn't be popular.)
So yeah. Let's do repeatedly call it the National Figure Skating Championship. Changing that nomenclature worked for the New Deal, FDR and Jimmy Carter, so maybe that is what we need to finally can the BCS.
EVEN BETTER...since everybody's so ga ga into Socialism these days, what with all the Fanny Mae, Freddie Mac, Citi, all the other banks, and GM Socialist bailout stupidity, let's just have the government take it over! We'll never have rules changes every year because of BCS stupidity then!
It'll just be government stupidity and massive FAIL on an even more colossal scale! Yippee!
Just look at what they've done since joining the B.E. They've gone from a 4-7 1st year, to beating an 11-win Rutgers team in their 2nd year, to winning 10 games their 3rd year, and now they're within a game of winning the B.E. title; not to mention, if they win their bowl, it'll be the 3rd in a row, and they'll have won 11 games. Garbage or no, that's a heck-of-a-lot more than FSU has done in the same time frame.
Mind you; I'm not Cinci fan, and I have been a Bowden family fan for years. I would just like to know what this is about, is all. Maybe you can fill me in. Perhaps other inquiring minds would like to know.
Answer to your FSU-Cincinnati Upset scenario- Cinci is 0-6 against FSU
Records against C-USA opponets aren't so hot either:
Against East Carolina- 5-12
Against Lousville- 18-20-1
Against Memphis- 12-18
Against Southern Miss- 8-7 (A winning record!)
UAB - 5-3 (that is okish)
Tulsa- 11-15-1
Tulane- 3-9
62-84-2 against these conference opponents.
Against other Ohio Teams:
OSU- 0-4
Bowling Green- 0-4
Dayton (FCS)- 10-5-1
Kent State- 5-0
Akron- 2-2
Ohio- 8-5
Miami (OH)- 20-33-1
Toledo- 1-2
Youngstown State (FCS)- 2-2
48-57-2 against in state schools, most of which are considered to be very poor competition indeed.
Against FCS Big East teams and Former Big East Teams (AKA the teams it replaces):
Miami: 0-9
Temple: 4-9-1
Villanova (FCS): 2-2
BC: 3-4
VT: 3-4
12-28-1 against the old big east and villanova which I added for fun.
Suddenly this middle of the pack team in a bottom dweller conference (C-USA) is good? Why do we think so? College football is becoming so "what have you done for me lately" it sickens me. Here are records against current teams:
UL: 18-20-1 (came from C-USA with them)
USF: 3-2 (Also from C-USA)
Pitt: 0-5 (Wow)
WVU: 1-10 (Telling)
Rutgers: 5-7-1 (Remember rutgers is recently good and cinci beat them in the beast year they had, as you pointed out, but has an overall losing record.)
UConn: 4-0 (the new big east, haha)
Syracuse: 4-4
35-48-1 against the new big east.
Ok now lets compare them to some the bottom of the BCS at least ones that they have met (Historically speaking pre-BCS etc.):
KSU: 2-2
Vandy: 1-3
Syracuse: 4-4 (all meetings after the Orange Age of decent Syracuse ball)
UNC: 2-2
Purdue: 0-1
Indiana: 1-5
Against the service academies:
Navy: 0-1
AF: 0-1
Army 3-3
They don't have winning records against Sunbelt teams Troy or North Texas.
Against the SEC it's just hilarious:
Alabama: 0-4
Georgia: 0-1
Florida: 0-1
Kentucky: 2-5-1
Tennessee: 0-1
Vandy: 1-3
Auburn: 0-1
South Carolina: 0-2
No meetings with Ark, The two mississippis, or LSU.
Total winning series over one meeting against FBS opponents: 11
Total BCS: 3 Arizona State, UConn and USF (both BE teams just moved up this decade from FCS)
The others S. Miss, UAB, Marshall (C-USA), Kent State, Ohio (Mac Bottom Dwellers), LA-Laf, LA-Mon (Sunbelt), and TCU (MWC).
Do you get the overall picture? It's not pretty. They aren't exactly Notre Dame to tie the last two posts in very weakly to the overall topic :P
1) ND has a Tie-In with the Big East.
2) I project the Big East to have 6x 7-5 or better teams, leaving one spot for a 6-6 team.
3) The Texas Bowl gets that last pick.
This is how it would work anywhere else in the world, but since we're talking ND, there is no telling what kind of inside deals and clauses that exist for the Irish...
1) BCS
2) Gator / Sun (vs. ACC or Pac-10)
3) Meineke Car Care (vs. ACC)
4) International (vs. MAC)
5) Papajohn's.com (vs. SEC)
6) St. Petersburg (vs. C-USA)
7) Texas (vs. Big 12)
I wouldn't be surprised if this had changed, however, given all the craziness of the Bowl landscape.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/s...
I think, given the choice, Notre Dame takes the Sun Bowl over the Texas Bowl.
See? Not surprised. :)
Your point is valid. But, when it comes to not being able to beat rivalry games, this is what seems to get coaches fired quite often. If it becomes very apparent that Charlie will never be able to beat Pete - then that is when Charlie is gonna go. At Notre Dame, the biggest games of the year are against Michigan and USC. Notre Dame and Southern Cal rivals the "greatest rivalry" in college football. Notre Dame will not be able to stand being pummeled by Southern Cal every single year into eternity.
ND should learn from the Willingham fall out & let Weis have at least 5 years (always a Notre Dame standard in the past... Until Ty Willingham).
Fire him after next season... That way they're back to their ND principles they alway boast so much about.
Exacerbated. The ND Alumni and Bowl execs are exasperated. (Charlie Weis's skill is exaggerated.)
And if the Beavers chew up the Ducks, why not have Pete Carrol vs. Nick Saban in New Orleans for The Ego Bowl?
I did not mean to exasperate those who have better spelling than I.
I'll go back to the game permutaions now...
The logic is that:
1) ND will be the first 6-6 team picked by any Bowl trying to fill it's slot.
2) AUB will probably lose to BAMA, giving the SEC only 8 eligible teams.
3) The SEC is likely to place 2 teams in the BCS.
4) Of the Bowls that would be looking for an At-Large team, the Independence is the most prestigious (I think....)
Which means it won't happen.....
"Rudy R."
It's the same circular logic that leads to:
I love Utah!!
And i don't know why you just brought up all of those stats because if you actually knew them you would know those actually are going against your argument Most bowl appearances ND ranks at 25. Most nation championships ok you have one over alabama. Although a vast majority of those ND claimed were from years which cannot actually be determined because there was no national championship at the time and ND just said well we played good so we should have it. Most wins? ND isn't even in the top 5. In fact of the ones you listed the only 2 which you can count is number of NFL players which ND is the top and heismans. They are currently tied for number of heismans with 3 other schools though. So get your facts right before you come off rambling random crap.
I hope NDame loses to USCal by 70 points and KEEPS Weis.
I've got a surprise for you; so, don't faint. I don't hate ND. As a good Catholic, I used to root for them all the time. After a while, however, I got a little tired of they're having always beaten other teams I liked to follow. I think it's refreshing to see them brought down to earth once in a while, just like AL, FL, Miami, MI, NE, OK, OSU, Penn St, or USC (to name a few). It's just as refreshing to see teams like Boise St, Cinci, MO, Navy, NW, OR, RICE, S FL, TX Tech, UT, or Wake (to name a few) do well. Sometimes that means at ND's expense.
I personally think that ND, and all it has accomplished on the field, is good for college football. I think it will always be that way. What bothers me is this: Of what is ND afraid? The days of independence (speaking purely college football here) are gone. The advantages to being fully affiliated with a conference far out-weigh the disadvantages. Yet, ND football isn't, nor will it be (Rumor has it.), affiliated with any conference any time soon.
Now, being the kidder that I am, I see ND as being that 600 lb Gorilla that everyone jokes about. What does a 600 lb Gorilla eat for supper? Anything it wants. Where does a 600 lb Gorilla go on vacation? Anywhere it wants. And so on. So, when asked where does a 6-6 ND go bowling, see the 2nd 600 lb Gorilla joke. Economically, it makes sense. ND has the fan base, and given their lofty past, they attract TV ratings, much due to some of the attitudes you've read here. Now,, ask yourself if that's fair to other teams in tough conferences with tougher schedules, which have won more games.
There-in lies my issue with ND. For the most part (until recently, that is), they've never been afraid to take on all comers. But when it comes time to be part of a community, they refuse to belly up to the bar. Remember; college football (among other things - there is the money aspect) is about "TEAM". Sadly, despite their resources & endowments, ND is all about itself. JMHO.
Notre Dame to join FCS teams to particibate in a playoffs and determine the championship team on the field.
"We feel that joining other relics of the past, such as Harvard, Yale and Princeton, is a move that best reflects the current status of our program."
Speculation is surrounding the possibility that Rutgers, Pittsburgh, Nebraska and Texas A&M may follow suit.
I give myself a X-mas gift. Sun, surf and a tan.
Best of all a win!!! Hawaii is lame this year.
The biggest losing BCS schools and conferences are the Big East, the ACC and Notre Dame. Sorry, the ACC are very weak and so are the Big East teams. Why? They lose to teams in Conference USA, the MAC and the WAC.
That is only point one of a two part explanation. Most people do not want to see that pile of (ahem) teams you listed first in bowls. They want to see THIER teams. Those teams have marginal fanbases with exception of the Utah teams. None of them have national followings. If you have a bowl game you want to pick teams people will watch and most people unlike apparently you, do not want to watch those teams you listed in bowls, especially BCS bowls.
I watched Boise/Ok but man was it boring until the end and you could see Oklahoma was the better team the whole game. A couple trick plays in OT and Voila suddenly a team that looks like a high school team to floridians is suddenly getting some attention. Don't knock BCS conferences simply because you are one of the very few fans of those teams. It drives me insane that people think those teams would deserve great things simply because they beat up on other relatively talentless teams. I do accept the argument that they played the schedule they had and that they often try to schedule decent ooc games. That does not make them exceptional teams. It makes them teams that do the best with what they are given and I give them credit for that.
Talent wise C-USA is the closest to BCS some feel (having teams that recruit from fertile Florida, Texas, Oklahoma, Alabama, Lousiana etc.). Tulsa (with texas talent) and ECU are the two best teams on either side of C-USA. Tulsa lost the the WORST SEC team of the year. ECU upset VT (ACC) but turned around and lost to NC State (11th in the ACC) and Virginia (9thish atm in the ACC will likely finish lower).
I do like MWC football fine, for the little I get to see, and wouldn't mind them becoming the next BCS conference if the took Boise, Fresno and SJSU (the latter two hold great long term potential the first has made a name for itself but will likely peter out it is idaho after all).
Though they lack a solid top team to make it up the rankings, they have depth.
I heard the gunshot all the way from South Bend to here. It seems as if that Irish JT had drinkin' all the Charlie Cheeseburger kool-aide. After last years stellar performance, Irish JT had suddenly understood what he had done, and rather than suffer the slow miserable death of all the rest of the "Golden Domer's" - he inexplicitly took his own life. He will be missed. Thank God that we have Bleed Crimson to carry that mantle.
Too bad Golden Domers will demand Ole Chuck's firing, which will be expensive. He's a great football mind. He doesn't have the guns to comete against top 10 elite football teams. He had the 107th toughest schedule this season. Ending up 6-6 is a tough pill to swallow. Maybe more football players will opt to go other than Notre Dame.