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Re: What Bowl will Notre Dame Play in?

FSU_Ben — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 16:22:12 -0000

Some figures for you btw (none of these figures include this wonderous season):
Answer to your FSU-Cincinnati Upset scenario- Cinci is 0-6 against FSU
Records against C-USA opponets aren't so hot either:
Against East Carolina- 5-12
Against Lousville- 18-20-1
Against Memphis- 12-18
Against Southern Miss- 8-7 (A winning record!)
UAB - 5-3 (that is okish)
Tulsa- 11-15-1
Tulane- 3-9
62-84-2 against these conference opponents.

Against other Ohio Teams:
OSU- 0-4
Bowling Green- 0-4
Dayton (FCS)- 10-5-1
Kent State- 5-0
Akron- 2-2
Ohio- 8-5
Miami (OH)- 20-33-1
Toledo- 1-2
Youngstown State (FCS)- 2-2
48-57-2 against in state schools, most of which are considered to be very poor competition indeed.

Against FCS Big East teams and Former Big East Teams (AKA the teams it replaces):
Miami: 0-9
Temple: 4-9-1
Villanova (FCS): 2-2
BC: 3-4
VT: 3-4
12-28-1 against the old big east and villanova which I added for fun.

Suddenly this middle of the pack team in a bottom dweller conference (C-USA) is good? Why do we think so? College football is becoming so "what have you done for me lately" it sickens me. Here are records against current teams:
UL: 18-20-1 (came from C-USA with them)
USF: 3-2 (Also from C-USA)
Pitt: 0-5 (Wow)
WVU: 1-10 (Telling)
Rutgers: 5-7-1 (Remember rutgers is recently good and cinci beat them in the beast year they had, as you pointed out, but has an overall losing record.)
UConn: 4-0 (the new big east, haha)
Syracuse: 4-4
35-48-1 against the new big east.

Ok now lets compare them to some the bottom of the BCS at least ones that they have met (Historically speaking pre-BCS etc.):

KSU: 2-2
Vandy: 1-3
Syracuse: 4-4 (all meetings after the Orange Age of decent Syracuse ball)
UNC: 2-2
Purdue: 0-1
Indiana: 1-5

Against the service academies:
Navy: 0-1
AF: 0-1
Army 3-3

They don't have winning records against Sunbelt teams Troy or North Texas.
Against the SEC it's just hilarious:
Alabama: 0-4
Georgia: 0-1
Florida: 0-1
Kentucky: 2-5-1
Tennessee: 0-1
Vandy: 1-3
Auburn: 0-1
South Carolina: 0-2
No meetings with Ark, The two mississippis, or LSU.

Total winning series over one meeting against FBS opponents: 11
Total BCS: 3 Arizona State, UConn and USF (both BE teams just moved up this decade from FCS)
The others S. Miss, UAB, Marshall (C-USA), Kent State, Ohio (Mac Bottom Dwellers), LA-Laf, LA-Mon (Sunbelt), and TCU (MWC).

Do you get the overall picture? It's not pretty. They aren't exactly Notre Dame to tie the last two posts in very weakly to the overall topic :P

Re: What Bowl will Notre Dame Play in?

FSU_Ben — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 13:38:52 -0000

I don't have any animosity toward cincinnati per se. I really just see a team that isn't much better than it's in state competetion (and I don't mean OSU). They are a team that historically played on par with Kent State, Akron, Ohio, Miami (oh), Toledo etc. They have no fan following. My friend who went to the school said she lived in a building that overlooked the stadium and still couldn't tell you a thing about the football program. She said most students just didn't care about it. She also went to FSU for post grad and said she could certainly see the difference. Cincinnati gets an easier shot at a BCS bowl than ANY of the old greats (except maybe ND). That is my second complaint. FSU, FLORIDA, USC, MIAMI, ALABAMA, OSU, MICHIGAN, AUBURN, UT etc. all work much harder for a BCS bid AND harder to play in a NC game. It is hardly fair that a passel of mediocre and unremarkable teams and some really horrible teams get a automatic BCS bid. I would put the MWC over the Big East most years and if the MWC expanded to take the WAC california teams and perhaps Boise and Tulsa out of the C-USA they would be QUITE A BIT ahead of the not so big east. I would be fine if the big east expanded, mind you and I do see brighter future for them but to act year in a year out since the raid like they are decent is perturbing.

Re: What Bowl will Notre Dame Play in?

lsw1369 — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 09:55:42 -0000

Don't blame Charlie...His system is proven to work against better talent than any program in the NCAA has to offer. What they need is a NOTRE DAME quarterback without a stretch limo who can stand in the pocket...Oh, and an IRISH line that is tough enough to give him a pocket. Stop relying on USC's backyard for the bigs and get back to Texas and maybe hit up the SEC backyard in say, BAMA.

Re: What Bowl will Notre Dame Play in?

Duece — Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:18:42 -0000

There was a period in the 80's/90's that ND handled SC something like 11 years in a row & 15 out of 16 years or something crazy like that... Bama just beat Auburn for the 1st time in 7 years.. These things happen.
ND should learn from the Willingham fall out & let Weis have at least 5 years (always a Notre Dame standard in the past... Until Ty Willingham).
Fire him after next season... That way they're back to their ND principles they alway boast so much about.

Re: What Bowl will Notre Dame Play in?

ND giggler — Sun, 30 Nov 2008 12:42:52 -0000

I think Charlie Weis is doing his best. Unfortunately Notre Dame football is going to take a long time to return to prominence. I think NBC should cancel their contract with them. I get tired of watching horrible football when there are much better teams to broadcast on TV.

Too bad Golden Domers will demand Ole Chuck's firing, which will be expensive. He's a great football mind. He doesn't have the guns to comete against top 10 elite football teams. He had the 107th toughest schedule this season. Ending up 6-6 is a tough pill to swallow. Maybe more football players will opt to go other than Notre Dame.

Re: What Bowl will Notre Dame Play in?

GatorMatt — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 20:22:43 -0000

I haven't posted here much at all the past year and a half or so, but I will occasionally browse the threads. I noticed that after a few games into 2007, he was mysteriously absent. Good luck to your Trojans tonight. I wanna see Weis booted out of South Bend. I don't like his demeanor, and I wanna see the Irish fail miserably again when trying to get Meyer

Re: What Bowl will Notre Dame Play in?

Tommy_Trojan — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 19:42:23 -0000

GatorMatt:

I heard the gunshot all the way from South Bend to here. It seems as if that Irish JT had drinkin' all the Charlie Cheeseburger kool-aide. After last years stellar performance, Irish JT had suddenly understood what he had done, and rather than suffer the slow miserable death of all the rest of the "Golden Domer's" - he inexplicitly took his own life. He will be missed. Thank God that we have Bleed Crimson to carry that mantle.

Re: What Bowl will Notre Dame Play in?

GatorMatt — Fri, 28 Nov 2008 20:24:58 -0000

I wonder where IrishJT is during all this. Anyone remember him from a few years back?

Re: What Bowl will Notre Dame Play in?

PrinceMarko — Thu, 27 Nov 2008 22:23:06 -0000

Why should they join the big 10 when their other sports are in the Big East?

Re: What Bowl will Notre Dame Play in?

PrinceMarko — Thu, 27 Nov 2008 22:21:55 -0000

Notre Dame shouldnt get into any bowl if they get blow out by USC.

Re: What Bowl will Notre Dame Play in?

Zac — Thu, 27 Nov 2008 15:36:58 -0000

Lets not forget the B(c)S money they get for not having gone to a bowl last year.

Re: What Bowl will Notre Dame Play in?

Tommy_Trojan — Thu, 27 Nov 2008 12:53:57 -0000

FSU_Ben:

Your point is valid. But, when it comes to not being able to beat rivalry games, this is what seems to get coaches fired quite often. If it becomes very apparent that Charlie will never be able to beat Pete - then that is when Charlie is gonna go. At Notre Dame, the biggest games of the year are against Michigan and USC. Notre Dame and Southern Cal rivals the "greatest rivalry" in college football. Notre Dame will not be able to stand being pummeled by Southern Cal every single year into eternity.

Re: What Bowl will Notre Dame Play in?

1Tomcat — Thu, 27 Nov 2008 12:00:44 -0000

If ND is going to a bowl, then that means they have to face a team with a winning record-E Gad

Re: What Bowl will Notre Dame Play in?

Zac — Thu, 27 Nov 2008 01:45:03 -0000

Agreed. If the Big Televen picked up ND, they could also afford to pick up IA St & let Penn St join the Big East (Better geographic fits all around; Joe Pa would have to leave Penn St 1st.). The Big 12 would have no trouble picking up a decent sub for IA St (would likely be better off), and the B.E. could work out what ever they needed to invite 4 more teams, etc. But, that's a debate for another thread.

Re: What Bowl will Notre Dame Play in?

Zac — Thu, 27 Nov 2008 01:29:55 -0000

"Hello, my name is Diego Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die." (There's that reference to Princes Bride again.)

I've got a surprise for you; so, don't faint. I don't hate ND. As a good Catholic, I used to root for them all the time. After a while, however, I got a little tired of they're having always beaten other teams I liked to follow. I think it's refreshing to see them brought down to earth once in a while, just like AL, FL, Miami, MI, NE, OK, OSU, Penn St, or USC (to name a few). It's just as refreshing to see teams like Boise St, Cinci, MO, Navy, NW, OR, RICE, S FL, TX Tech, UT, or Wake (to name a few) do well. Sometimes that means at ND's expense.

I personally think that ND, and all it has accomplished on the field, is good for college football. I think it will always be that way. What bothers me is this: Of what is ND afraid? The days of independence (speaking purely college football here) are gone. The advantages to being fully affiliated with a conference far out-weigh the disadvantages. Yet, ND football isn't, nor will it be (Rumor has it.), affiliated with any conference any time soon.

Now, being the kidder that I am, I see ND as being that 600 lb Gorilla that everyone jokes about. What does a 600 lb Gorilla eat for supper? Anything it wants. Where does a 600 lb Gorilla go on vacation? Anywhere it wants. And so on. So, when asked where does a 6-6 ND go bowling, see the 2nd 600 lb Gorilla joke. Economically, it makes sense. ND has the fan base, and given their lofty past, they attract TV ratings, much due to some of the attitudes you've read here. Now,, ask yourself if that's fair to other teams in tough conferences with tougher schedules, which have won more games.

There-in lies my issue with ND. For the most part (until recently, that is), they've never been afraid to take on all comers. But when it comes time to be part of a community, they refuse to belly up to the bar. Remember; college football (among other things - there is the money aspect) is about "TEAM". Sadly, despite their resources & endowments, ND is all about itself. JMHO.

Re: What Bowl will Notre Dame Play in?

Zac — Thu, 27 Nov 2008 01:02:34 -0000

I don't know. Look at ND's record last year (1st 9 loss season in their history), and the teams they lost to last year, including Navy for the 1st time in how many years. Weiss is still there. Given they've gone from 3-9 to 6-6, it seems logical they'd give him one more shot. Then, again, stranger things have happened.

Re: What Bowl will Notre Dame Play in?

Zac — Thu, 27 Nov 2008 00:57:24 -0000

I just gotta know one thing: What is this ancient hatred toward Cincinnati? Did they upset FSU sometime back prior to an important game or something? Cause, I sure don't remember it. For as far back as I can remember, and that's a ways for yours truly, Cinci has been competitive on the field. No, they haven't always posted winning records, or even gone to bowl games. However, all too often, they have given presumably better teams fits.

Just look at what they've done since joining the B.E. They've gone from a 4-7 1st year, to beating an 11-win Rutgers team in their 2nd year, to winning 10 games their 3rd year, and now they're within a game of winning the B.E. title; not to mention, if they win their bowl, it'll be the 3rd in a row, and they'll have won 11 games. Garbage or no, that's a heck-of-a-lot more than FSU has done in the same time frame.

Mind you; I'm not Cinci fan, and I have been a Bowden family fan for years. I would just like to know what this is about, is all. Maybe you can fill me in. Perhaps other inquiring minds would like to know.

Re: What Bowl will Notre Dame Play in?

shiguy — Thu, 27 Nov 2008 00:24:44 -0000

How couldn't they. They still have all of last year's bowl money that none of the fans spent ;-)

Re: What Bowl will Notre Dame Play in?

FSU_Ben — Wed, 26 Nov 2008 23:42:42 -0000

No one argues that. They will get a bowl and they will sell it out.

Re: What Bowl will Notre Dame Play in?

U.of S.C.1978 — Wed, 26 Nov 2008 19:24:51 -0000

So what you are saying is that conferences without teams in the hunt for the NC, or a couple of dominant teams, find it easier to fill bowl spots? The only reason they have depth, is because they did not have teams much above their norms, (with the possible exception of, Cincinnati?).

Re: What Bowl will Notre Dame Play in?

Rich Williams — Wed, 26 Nov 2008 18:33:32 -0000

Notre Dame stealing an alloted spot is a disgrace. They should end up in the Emeral Nuts Bowl or some such other disgrace.

Re: What Bowl will Notre Dame Play in?

4cornerz — Wed, 26 Nov 2008 18:29:28 -0000

ND will replace some conference team in a lower tier bowl then sell it out

Re: What Bowl will Notre Dame Play in?

Diggs_the_Mountie — Wed, 26 Nov 2008 13:39:33 -0000

Been hearing any Brian Kelly to Notre Dame rumors?

Re: What Bowl will Notre Dame Play in?

Ben Prather — Wed, 26 Nov 2008 13:34:30 -0000

I was arguing for Notre Dame to go to the Sun Bowl in the PAC 10's slot, not the Big East's slot.

Re: What Bowl will Notre Dame Play in?

Ben Prather — Wed, 26 Nov 2008 13:33:39 -0000

The ACC and Big East are the only BCS conferences that will fill thier bowl bids.

Though they lack a solid top team to make it up the rankings, they have depth.